CarGo, Rockies Too Much for the Dodgers
by Michael White on Aug 29, 2010 3:40 PM PDT
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Unfortunately for Ted Lilly and the Dodgers, regression to the mean was particularly painful today resulting in an 10-5 Dodger loss in Colorado. Lilly entered the contest with a 5-0 record and an ERA of 1.83 in his short time with the Dodgers which significantly outpaced his FIP and x-FIP. As such, the trip to Coors Field was too much for Lilly as he surrendered 7 earned runs in 4.0 innings of work today. Interestingly, in plate appearances not resulting in extra base hits, Lilly was dominant, racking up 8 K's in the 4.0 innings of work.
Carlos Gonzalez was easily the MVP of this match. Gonzalez was locked in today hitting 2 homeruns, a sacrifice fly, and a single in 4 at bats. Ryan Spilborghs also added a homerun later in the contest off Dodger reliever Ronald Belisario.
The Dodger bats attempted to keep up with Rockies sluggers, but a late rally fell short. The Dodgers recorded 13 hits with Scott Podsednik and Matt Kemp having 3 hits a piece and pinch hitters Ronnie Belliard and Jay Gibbons were effective off the bench, as both recorded hits and RBIs in their at bats. Despite scattering double digit hits, the Dodgers weren't able to capitalize for more than 5 runs as they stranded 12 runners. Andre Ethier gets LVP honors as he was awarded a golden sombrero in an 0-5 day.
The Dodges had an opportunity to do some damage in the 8th inning. Entering the top of the 8th down 8-2, the Dodgers scored 3 runs and after a Matt Kemp single had the bases loaded with two outs. After getting ahead in the count 3-1, James Loney hit a grounder to Troy Tulowitzki ending the threat.
Manny Ramirez had a particularly strange game in what may well be his last appearance in Dodger blue. Ramirez, again, started the contest on the bench but entered the game in the 6th inning with the bases loaded and 1 out. Ramirez saw one pitch from Matt Reynolds which looked outside but was called a strike. Ramirez argued the call and was quickly ejected from the game. Reed Johnson came in as the pinch hitter for the pinch hitter and grounded into an inning ending double play. If this was his last game with the Dodgers, what an odd way to go.
Update: Dylan Hernandez is reporting that Manny Ramirez will be heading to the White Sox tomorrow. No word yet on terms but it may well be a straight salary dump.
WP - Jason Hammel (9-7): 5.1 IP, 7 hits, 2 runs, 3 walks, 7 strikeouts
LP - Ted Lilly (8-9): 4 IP, 9 hits, 7 runs, 1 walk, 8 strikeouts
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(To respond to Kelly's comment) Yep
And if they’d just split these last two games it would’ve been a great road trip. Instead it feels like a crummy road trip given the timing, even though normally 4 and 2 is good. They crapped the bed these last two games. Time to go home and win most of those games this week.
It;’s almost football season!
Later all!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Manny Irony
Wasn’t it about this time of the season when he initally made his grand entrance?
Exit stage left ?
OT:College world rankings
According to the Academic Ranking of World Universities – 2010
World, US
2 , 2 University of California, Berkeley
13, 11 UCLA
14, 12 UCSD
18, 16 UCSF
46, 32 UC Davis
46, 32 UCI
46, 32 USC
101-150, 55-69 UCR
101-150, 55-69 UC Santa Cruz
http://www.arwu.org/Country2010Main.jsp?param=United%20States
The whosit in the whatsit?
Huh, Dartmouth and Colorado State are equals according to this. You know it’s true because it says so on the Internet.
That's the ranking
which you’ll see pasted all around Berkeley. We’ve been #2 for a few years now
by Josie Becker on Aug 29, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Woow...
The 1st French University has ranked 39th
http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp
Louise Bourgoin: The hottest French actress I've ever seen <3
I could see why.
- is something to crow about. It sort of reminds me of the BCS, however, in that certain subjective factors (such as editorial decisions by Nature magazine, Nobel prize winners, etc..,) could have very large impacts on the rankings.
So an American university with a strong chemistry or math department has a huge advantage over one with a strong arts or literature program simply because while the Nobel committee favors U.S. scientists, they really eschew American authors for any other part of the world.
I'll never forget the football game
the Saturday after a Berkeley professor won the nobel prize for physics, I think for his calculating the expansion of the universe. The student section treated him like a real celebrity, and he just looked so happy.
by Josie Becker on Aug 29, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Funny sign on Gameday
a couple of years ago. College Gameday was at Vanderbilt, someone had a sign up that said “Move out of the way, you’re blocking the entrance to the library.”
Good times. Hope it was fun, they will never go back. Even if Maddz is on campus.
GO RAMS!
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 29, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
According to the Rockies broadcast, and their strike zone chart, the pitch to Ramirez was well outside.
This series reminded me of a song by the group Tourniquet (guess the name of the band could be of some semblance of meaning to the Dodgers as well) called Bearing Gruesome Cargo.
They are right. I realize that Gameday/At Bat isn’t the gospel, but the ball was well outside accrding to that.
It was outside given the above the plate camera and CF camera as well
Quick trigger from Cederstrom
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 29, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Rosenthal said on MLBN that Dodgers are prob just gonna dump his salary
and the holdup (and benching) is probably over money. Dodgers in a power struggle to force him to waive the no-trade. My opinion: the season is over, trade Lilly too for a corner IF or C prospect.
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
Hope Manny refuses to waive his no trade clause
If what Rosenthal says is true, I hope Manny does not waive his no trade clause and makes the Dodgers suffer for being so stupid over the past 4 days. Unless there is somehting else, the way the Dodgers have played him in Colorado was not smart and did not give him the maximum opportunity to succeed.
Yeah! I hope he doesn't wave it either.
So he can teach us a lesson.
That’ll show us!
Put us in our place.
UGH
Our god damn idiot management deserves it
All we can do now is get money freed up that doesn’t help the team, just the owner. This was one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Whats dumb?
Manny getting 40 mil? Or this current bullshit?
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
Well, Manny getting 40 mill for playing like 140 games (if that) is dumb
But the benching while we had just gotten back into the race was just plain idiotic. We were already done pretty much, but had Manny played we would have had a much better chance to win.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
well
in hindsight, they should’ve parted ways with him after 08, but what were their options at the time? He was still the best one, it’s just that he was grossly irresponsible for taking PEDs, got caught, then his body started breaking down after he couldn’t use them. I don’t think you can pin that on mgmt.
As far as this series though, he should have at least played today, or should have been gone by now, either or. The team is in limbo, and it’s not fair to the team, agreed.
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
Looking back
would you have preferred Adam Dunn?
I think I would have.
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
he'll be a FA at the end of the year most likely
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 29, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
But so will Manny. Over the 2009-2010 seasons I wonder how much different it would have been. Also not ignoring the salary difference. Adam Dunnwood?
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
don't think Dunn would have coined it the way Manny did
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 29, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
DH's twitter page
# Because the White Sox will be getting Ramirez on a waiver claim, they will be on the hook for the remainder of Ramirez’s salary. half a minute ago via web
Source: White Sox will get Manny tomorrow.
agreed, maybe he's looking for an extension from the Chisox?
it’s just posturing anyway. The sooner it’s over, the better.
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
So are we even getting a shitty player in return now?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I’m guessing, no.
At least from Dylan’s second tweet that Tripon put above.
by Michael White on Aug 29, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I would be shocked if Lilly cleared waivers.
by Michael White on Aug 29, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
They may well already know. The waiver process isn’t terribly transparent.
by Michael White on Aug 29, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
6.5 games behind the Phillies…
Dodgers have to sweep them to have any hope.
The Manny era is ending quite unceremoniously.
Meh – season was over at the beginning of August.
Time for college football.
The opportunity is there though
The Rockies only have 1 game remaining vs Philly
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Aug 29, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Time to sweep!
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
In the race for a protected draft pick..
Dodgers are currently right on the wrong side – 15th best record in the league.
Need to hope 1 of the (Marlins, Mets, As, Tigers) can pass them.
Marlins blew it today
shit, we’re back to rooting for this, aren’t we? We probably won’t sign a Type A anyway unless we miraculously get new ownership in 2 months.
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
Right. Because the current owner has never signed a Type A free agent.
by Michael White on Aug 29, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
what type a free agent do you think they'll look at this offseason?
especially when it looks like we’ll have budget restraints.
No way we outbid new york for him
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
There are likely 100,000,000 reasons he will go to NY
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
They can have fun with that
100,000,000 for a player that bases him game off of speed. Are they shedding any payroll?
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
It's the Yankees, they can sign whoever they want, if you haven't noticed that's kinda their game plan
He’s a .285/.350/.440 player who can steal 50 bases and play great defense, 100,000,000 would be a lot but it would likely be worth it the first 4 or 5 years.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
New ownership there. Gotta see how that plays out.
by Michael White on Aug 29, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a good point
I just see them following in their dad’s footsteps though.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
If the Yankees want him and there are multiple teams, there is no doubt it my mind it could get that high
With the Yankees involved I’m guessing that is indeed how high it goes.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Exactly. The Yankees are going to get Cliff Lee for 100M or more. No chance they spend that figure on two players.
That worked out when they get Burnett, CC, and Tex, right?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I expect the Angels to make a run at him
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
No clue, but after pulling a rabbit out of his hat with Lee would it be out of the question to sign Crawford?
It doesn’t matter, people will complain if they sign a Type A and they’ll complain if they don’t.
by Michael White on Aug 29, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
If we sign Crawford and lose our first pick I’d be completely fine with it, but I assume we will do nothing or sign a Type A relief pitcher or something and screw it up.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
the divorce changes things
isn’t that a given? No longer the salad days of overspending for Dru Jones and Juan Pierre…
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
Wasn’t that the argument for why they were going to punt the Lee pick?
by Michael White on Aug 29, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean, really, how can we know what the budget is like these days?
by Michael White on Aug 29, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
true, but 5 mil deferred is a lot different than 60-70 mil
plus it’s apparently a crap FA market this year, correct me if I’m wrong
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
Surprised the Dodgers havent shut him down yet..
He’s had a big jump in innings this year.
Today might be his last start I’d think.
DENVER — Los Angeles Dodgers left fielder Manny Ramirez will be allowed to go to the Chicago White Sox in a straight waiver claim Monday, an industry source with knowledge of the situation said Sunday on condition of anonymity
By getting Ramirez on waivers rather than acquiring him via trade, the White Sox become responsible for the roughly $4.3 million remaining on Ramirez’s two-year, $45 million contract with the Dodgers.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=5510704
I wonder who the source is....could it be Ned
I wonder if Ned is leaking this stuff, to cushion this blow. The way the Dodgers treated Manny and Dodger fans in the past four days has been awful. Wonder if McCourt is jealous that Manny will be taking some of the headlines.
Heyman
there is discusssion of players in possible manny deal. so perhaps #chisox wont pay the whole $4 million
Morel or Viciedo for Manny Straight up, Dodgers pay rest of contract :D
That’s a fantasy…
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
White Sox are 4.5 games behind the Twins. I’m surprised they are willing to spend 4mils on a guy likely to not make the up the difference for the playoffs.
No Trade Clause
If you have a no trade clause, does that also necessarily mean you also have a no waiver clause? Does Manny have any control over whether he’s waived?
MLBTR is saying Manny is telling friends he cannot wait to leave. Sounds like more MSM hate but I can be wrong. Have you heard anything like that?
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
not surprising
Manny sours on things pretty quickly, he knows he’s a DH at this point anyways
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
Torre defends Manny
Interesting quote from Torre. Maybe I’m just gullible and want to believe this, but I honestly believe it. For one thing, it seems out of character for Torre to be this direct, especially the part about admitting publicly that he was angry, then saying how he apologized to Manny:
I came into the clubhouse [between innings]. I was angry," said Torre. "I asked Manny what he said. He said, ‘The pitch was outside, it’s a ball.’ Manny doesn’t curse. Then I asked Cederstrom between innings. He said the same thing as Manny. I’m very disappointed in the fact he threw him out. He [Cederstrom] said he [Ramirez] was ‘demonstrative’ about it. What the [heck] does that mean?
“The crew chief can’t do that in a pennant race, or any time. This game is high pressure. I came back in and apologized to Manny for getting mad at him. I’m totally disappointed in the way Cederstrom reacted. In that situation, that’s crazy.”
FWIW
Iannetta also spoke to a COL reporter and said Manny didn’t curse (can’t find the link.)
by Michael White on Aug 29, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
If you face the ump and say anything remotely bad, you’re going to get tossed. Manny shouldn’t have been surprised to get tossed, and Torre shouldn’t have been either.
Really? Maybe we are just accustomed to Umpires being complete horse shit.
that ball was about 3-4 baseballs off the plate.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
another rubby note
holy shit…this guy has been a machine.
So he gets promoted to AA and in his first start, only goes 4 innings, lots of walks..probably just nerves with the whole promotion thing. What has he done since then?
Oh, just goes 6 straight starts of 7 INNINGS PITCHED in each start.
that time span: 42IP 28H 7ER 1HR 16BB 33k
to go along with a bajillion groundballs in each start. He’s a unique starting pitching prospect for the Dodgers org; most of top pitching prospects over the past 5 years have been flyball/k pitchers who don’t go deep into games.
by npurcell on Aug 29, 2010 5:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if he should just be billed as our top SP prospect
Rather than the normal power pitcher (though Rubby is one too) who goes 5 innings with 7 ks and 4 walks.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Bob Nitengale.
BNightengale
#mlb #whitesox #dodgers Dodgers trying to decide whether to take 3B prospect Jon Gilmore and pay chunk of Manny’s salary or take the cash 2 minutes ago via web
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=gilmor001jon
Jon Gilmore, 2007 draftee by the Braves in the first round.
4 HR and 38 errors!!??
What’s the point…
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
make that 5 dingers
he hit one today but also struck out 3 times. No report if he made another error.
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
Just looked up his stats
I would very much like Gilmore, let’s get him.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
He will fit right in. Can’t hit the ball more than 300 feet.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
.318 average .350 OBP and .400 slugging, he can get better
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
These are High A numbers, not MLB numbers, lol
I think he can improve on these numbers, unlike loney.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I get that
It’s funny that I am looking through stats on MLB.com and the hitter that has stats close to him now….
.310/.353/ .400 none other than Scott Podsednik
And as well all know, Pods is our savior :)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Written ten days ago. An article on Gilmore's season
All in all, Jon Gilmore’s start to the season is nice to see, but is it likely to continue? Unfortunately not. I’m not ready to completely write off a player with Gilmore’s tools, but to date he hasn’t shown that the tools can or will translate to on field performance. He shouldn’t be considered more than a fringe prospect at this point and I think it’s safe to put him into the small sample size tease category.
Dodgers top 3B propsect at the moment is Pedro Baez.
Who is having a worse season than Gilmore,and is a year older. Gilmore would be a upgrade.
From the game thread
and this, it sounds like when we trade Kemp and Loney and Martin, we need to get a couple of corner IFers in one of the deals
and baez is in a big time hitters league
while gilmore is in a big time pitchers league…. And is STILL putting up worse stats then gilmore… definnite upgrade
The BA scouting report says Gilmore is a “professional hitter” (Ned is drooling).
He also is Ben Zobrist’s brother-in-law.
plus hes in the carolina league which depresses offense
thats where moustakous was last year and hit WORSE then him….
then moustakas was promoted to AA and took off!
apparently not according to these reports
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
Dayan Viciedo is on their 40-man and would need to clear waivers. It could be a PTNBL deal, but very unlikely.
I know there’s like no chance we get him. I was just hoping we could somehow rip a team off for once.
I like Ely, but hes a 5 starter. The best part of that trade was just getting 12 years of combined service time with those 2.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
Gurnick
DENVER — The Dodgers will allow Manny Ramirez to be claimed off waivers Monday by the Chicago White Sox, who will pick up the remaining $4.3 million of his $20 million salary, according to baseball sources.
There will be no players coming back to the Dodgers. The Dodgers could not comment on the report.
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
sorry, how do you make one of those neat-o gray boxes?? Newbie here...
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
Click and drag to highlight what you want to quote, then press the quote button next to the S with the line through it.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Omg
justin sellers is on complete fire…
wherer and wen did he get power???
a homer and double in 2 at bats today…
never had more then 6 homers in a season
has 13 in the PCL in only 259 at bats
how did he get to the Dodgers?
and he’s only 24 after being drafted out of college in 05?
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
DH
dylanohernandez
Sources said #Manny has indicated he would waive his no-trade clause even if he isn’t compensated. #Dodgers #WhiteSox
Reply fail? lol
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Not a drop of Emmy talk?
Man, if I stopped dropping in, this would totally go back to being baseball blog, wouldn’t it : p
Mad Men won!!
though I only found out cos I was watching the new episode and they sent out congrats in real time…as far as red carpet stuff, yawn…
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
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