Gracias Manny, may you find your legs, your bat, and your smile in Chicago.
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 29, 2010 8:47 PM PDT
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From Jimmy Wynn to Manny Ramirez with the Andy Messersmiths, Mike Marshals, Eddy Murray's, Kirk Gibsons, Kevin Browns, Marlon Anderson, Jeff Kents, and Shaw Greens in between, the ending of the Dodger career is always a whimper, after a shooting star of a season or seasons put them into Dodger lore.
All of the players above played key parts in Dodger history but no one burst upon the Dodger scene like Manny Ramirez, and I think it is safe to say the Dodgers never had a character like Manny Ramirez.
At one time in Cleveland long ago, Manny Ramirez was my favorite player from the juggernaut Indians, but like Boston fans his behavior had sapped me of my fanhood. I liked characters but I also liked my players to play hard all the time, and not get standing ovations from their teammates when they happened to make a play in the field that any high schooler should be able to handle. Still when I heard about the trade that would make Manny a Dodger I was tentatively excited because we hadn't had a bat like Manny's since Beltre's last hurrah. Manny didn't disappoint, as his 2008 season will be talked about for generations.
He put the pizzaz back into Dodger baseball, and for some reason put some dynamite into Andre's bat. The two of them when Manny was in the lineup would be a potent force for 2008/2009/2010. Everyone is going to have some special Manny memory. I can't single any one out, he simply had to many great moments.
Fairly easy to say in hind-site that signing Manny as a free agent was not the right move for this franchise. Ned didn't have hind-site, and for a few months in 2009 it looked very much like 2008. Then on Dodger Blogger night everything changed, and other then the Bobble Slam it has been a long year and a half.
I may have called this deal in the spring but I'm not happy about it. I couldn't care less about saving the McCourts $3 Million, if I'm forced to watch PodBoy play left field the rest of this year, and 2011. Since 2003 the Dodgers have trotted out Dave Roberts, Jayson Werth, Ricky Ledee, Luis Gonzalez, Andre Ethier, and Juan Pierre. The best of the lot plays for the Phillies, and the other dude is our RF. We had a brief fling with a real hitting LF for two years but now it looks like we are back to the speedy little grinders. Good guys who play hard, but who are an ill fit for a team whose 1st baseman packs as much power as a power puff girl. I digress.
I'll miss his 2008 smile, his 2008 bat, his individuality, and his passion.
Buck up Dodger fans, 2008 may be the highlight for a while.
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What I will rememeber
The series in AZ when the Dodgers had to pretty much sweep, I don’t remember how he hit, but know he had HR’s doubles singles and walks. What many people on this site don’t realize is Manny was an elite hitter who was a threat, and even in his declining phase over the past 1.5 years, he still had that impact. Wynn, Shefield and Piazza had that, but Manny was a tad above them. I never saw Tommy Davis play when healthy, but I believe he had a similar impact, but not with the power of Manny.
Great Post
2008 Manny as a Dodger at bats …
Wasn’t this the 5th best streak of it’s kind all time?
#99
He helped take us to the nlcs twice. Can’t complain too much.
Looking forward to see what happens with the September call ups. It’s all we got left..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Aug 29, 2010 9:15 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Good night sweet Prince
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
this reminds me of Major League 2
only we’re not getting a crazy japanese Left Fielder back.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 29, 2010 9:20 PM PDT reply actions
Do you think Manny had something to do with himself not playing the last few days.
Did he talk to Joe and tell him something like, “Hey, I don’t wanna keep playing these next couple days and risk injuring myself. Let me just rest until the waiver goes through.”
No. Manny is playing for his next contract. The only way he gets that is by actually playing.
by Michael White on Aug 29, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
If you go back to the Stan Conte quotes and Joe Torre quotes
Everything in public stated that Manny when he reinjured his calf in July wanted to get back as soon as possible, he did admit as did Conte, it was harder for him to field and run. I would be curious if anyone can come up with evidence that suggests that he was hanging out on the DL to protect his status for the waiver claim.
Hope it is only 2005
I fear we could be in for a 67-68 Dodger team in 2011, probably paronoid, but as many have noted earlier, many Dodgers will be facing arbitration in 2012, Kuroda and Lilly are out the door in 2011, if not in the next few days.
I will watch as many White Sox games as I can. Always a Manny fan.
All the best and I’ll never forget being there when he hit his first HR as a Dodger and the bobbleslam. And all the points in between.
His HR in Chicago on a breaking ball at his feet is one of the most impressive home runs I’ve ever seen.
yeah
that home run in the NLDS in 08 was awesoke. He freakin golfed that thing.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 29, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Manny's 2008 bat:
.396/.489/.743 in 187 ABs.
Even with that amazing performance, the team would still only finish 84-78.
They were 54-50 on July 31st.
So 30 – 28 even given that amazing performance.
no word
i think
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 29, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Is every CWS prospect named Jon or John?
by kinbote on Aug 29, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i want gilmore
i liked his reports coming out of HS. Obviously, stats show he doesn’t walk or hit for power yet but I still like his tools; especially since our 3b depth is shit.
Right.
We traded every possible high end 3B in the last three years. We need to stock pile the position as fast as possible.
Pedro Baez being the top 3B in the system is ridiculous.
I’d put Russ Mitchell ahead of Baez.
Mitchell should at least be a platoon level 3rd basemen at the mlb level.
depends
still havent got any reviews on the glove, if he can even play third well enough
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Wallach said
he felt Mitchell was a very good 3B
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 29, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Not likely on Gilmore, but official word comes tomorrow.
by silverwidow on Aug 29, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Next year's offense hasn't been set at all
nor is next year’s manager, etc. I wouldn’t worry about what we don’t know yet. If they made no moves at all, it’d be a worry. That is unlikely though.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
at this point
next year’s owner is a question.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 29, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Phil, I’m going to also disagree when you say in hindsight that resigning Manny was a bad move.
I think everyone was fine with a 2yr deal, and I dont see anything else out there that would have been a better use of resources. If you’re going to spend lots of money, you might as well spend it on a premier player and hope he stays healthy, than spread it around over a bunch of mediocrities.
The only thing I think was dumb is the deferring of money.
Dunn, possibly Abreu
Both for half the cost. We overpaid him.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
We could have had Dunn and Manny…or at least I thought we could until I saw how cheap McCourt is.
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 29, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
What?
Where the fuck are you getting of saying that the only reason we didn’t go after dunn and manny was Mccourt being cheap? They obviously don’t like Dunn, and also had Loney at first who they do like. Lets not be ridiculous here.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Thanks for your calm and well thought out response.
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 29, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
hahaha
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 30, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Your post didn't deserve one
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Who the hell is Martinez?
I don’t like him…
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
???
brandon martinez 19 Y.O.
6’4 150 can throw low 90s…
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL okay that's nice to hear.
I was just looking at that box score.
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
for some reason he gives up wayy to many hits…. maybe his azl defenders suck and cnt play D
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I see.
Well, he’s got a long time before the big leagues anyway.
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
That's what his profile says.
That is one skinny dude haha.
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
he had sand in his pockets the day he was weighed
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 29, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Then that was one insanely skinny dude!
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Bowden's twitter page
# JimBowdenXMFOX
On whether LAD will get salary relief or pay $ and get prospect….Manny is expected to approve deal either way..confirmed by both sides 11 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
* Reply
* Retweet
# JIM BOWDEN JimBowdenXMFOX
I have confirmed reports by Bob Nightengale and Peter Gammons that Manny will be assigned to CWS…however they are still in negotiations
Report from BBTF:
23. Mike Emeigh Posted: August 29, 2010 at 10:11 PM (#3629509)
Dodgers trying to decide whether to take 3B prospect Jon Gilmore and pay chunk of Manny’s salary or take the cash
I saw Gilmore play today. He looks to me like he can play, with the main question that I see being whether he will hit for power consistently (he did go deep in the 6th but he’s never reached double-digits in a season). He was originally drafted by the Braves as a supplemental 1st rounder in ’07 and went to the White Sox in the Javier Vasquez trade. BA is down on him, though, largely because of the lack of power.
I think I’d take him, anyway. But I suspect LA will take the cash.
— MWE
I seem to recall
that Martin, Withrow and Kershaw were over budget, and Im sure it goes beyond that. It is the first time we’ve gone THIS far over though
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Aug 31, 2010 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions
the story on mlb.com
says no players are coming back. but it could be wrong
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Aug 29, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Goodbye Manny.
Thanks for the memories #99. Let’s take the 3B prospect!
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
like i said in the fanshot
My favorite memorie was the bobbleslam game. I was there and when I found out he wasn’t starting, I was seriously angry and disappointed. I said though that hed hit a homerun today. A guy thought I was crazy… i was right :)
Good luck Manny. I hated you in Boston, but not because of who you were, but because of how good of a hitter you were. His time in Boston… he had an OPS over 1.000. Crazy
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Aug 29, 2010 10:02 PM PDT reply actions
This might be a crazy idea…but would it be possible for the Dodgers to convert Kenley Jansen into a starter?
At 6’6 220..he’d appear to have size for it.
So far he’s thrown 13.2 ip – 20ks 9bbs…He doenst seem completely dependent on just using his velocity to blow away hitters.
probably doesn't have enough pitches
and the fact that he’s only been pitching for a year and a half now. Besides, they tried that with Lindblom, didn’t go well.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 29, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
lindblom is lindblom
jansen has like 4 pitches…. fastball cutter curve/slider and a change up….
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
hes a reliever
hes not gonna use all 4 as a reliever…. as a starter he will Obviously mix in the mixes
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
right...
its a miracle he’s made to to the bigs after the pitching conversion…we shouldn’t push our luck even further.
besides, he still hasn’t been able to harness his 1 and a half pitches out of the bullpen, how do you expect him have above average command of 4 pitches starting?
its been only 1 year of pitching
its called experiance….
he will get better…
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
He has a beast of a fastball. That doesn't mean he has command of breaking pitches.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
His breaking stuff is HS level.\
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
no it aint
dont be ridiclous now…
his change which he rarely throws is actually pretty good…
it should have been called for a strike today vs helton
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh well since he threw it well once
its a ++ pitch
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
nobody said that
it has potential to be good though…. you people are writing his offspeed off as shit just cause he has such a good fastball and supposedly nothing else
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Its no big deal either. The guy was catching last year. But he does throw a lot of FB for a reason.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I watched the guy a few times in the minors. The more he throws his breaking stuff, the better chance its gonna hang up and get fucking mashed. Im drunk, pardon me.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
That just means you are more right than normal :)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Hehe
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
obviously
but what says he wont improve with more pitching???
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
What says he will?
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Since he has only pitched a year we can assume
that his breaking pitches will be good enough for the majors?
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
You can assume his pitchers will get better
why? Because Mathew thinks so.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
You are ASSUMING he will
we are being realistic.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
how am i not realistic???
are you seriously saying jansens breaking ball is not gonna get better as he throws it more and gets more experience?
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Its not going to for sure become major league ready
and is more likely not to. Meanwhile you have thrown away over a year of development time, and lost an arm that could have actually helped you in the majors.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
How old are you? I want you to go out and lear
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
WTF!
That wasnt intended for you.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
OH wait yes it was.
Go out and learn a breaking ball. Its not very easy.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
i dont have proper coaching...
jansen does
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I can teach you.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Dont blame it on the alcohol.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
That's not was
Jamie Foxx tells me…
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
WOA
What, not was.
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Its a hell of a lot more difficult than that. The progress Jansen has made is insane. Learning the feel for a breaking ball, and especially a changeup, can be a lifelong process. Just look at the way that Kershaw’s changeup never developed. There’s really no need to push Jansen when you would have to dedicate 1-2 years of him in the minors to convert him to a starter.
by UCLADodger32 on Aug 29, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
thank you for that answer...
others could not give me this kind of answer… they just acted a joke and a fool
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
We actually did
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I'm sorry but this made me laugh
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
When ya do math the Dodger way
Jansen is a minimum wage phenom out of the pen.
The team can use him now in this role now and keep him under control for a few more years.
No need to wait for more development as a starter.
As you say, he just needs to improve one more pitch to be an effective reliever.
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 29, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
he doesnt need to improve anything out the pen
20 Ks in 13 IP shows hes doing well enough
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, but with a reliable off speed pitch, he could close.
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 29, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
he could close right now...
hes just that good
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
also, it’s only his first time around the league
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 29, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats why I hope he pitches in the winter league to develop more of his pitches and hopefully become a starter.
Broxton could never do it because he was almost completely dependent on his velocity to get him by.
Jansen seems different.
how does jansen seem different?
he throws one pitch 88% of the time. a pitch that is dependent on velocity.
I thought Broxton was moved to relief for need?
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
no he was drafted
knowing that hes a future closer.. he started early in his career just so he can develop his secondary pitches and get innings
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
well its his best pitch
miles ahead of his next best pitch… cause hes been pitching for a year only now
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
and broxton delivery is scary..
jansen is an athlete… his delivery is so much more fluid
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
and Jansen will cost 400,000
Broxton 7,000,000
Think the Dodgers will need a 7,000,000 closer in 2011 & 2012?
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 29, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Most likely not but that we dont run the FO.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
a lot will happen in court soon,
we’ll see what happens
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 29, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Speak for yourself,
I’m emptying the piggy bank and planning on buying this team.
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I got 5 on it.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Alright you'll own part of it with me.
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
defintly not
especially when they are 15 games behind halfway through the season
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope. Only 2 pitches, below average command. Keep him as setup guy until he’s able to locate better. Then, let him close.
by silverwidow on Aug 29, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe bring him in like Adam Wainwright?
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Wainwright was a starter all his minor league career though.
The Cardinals broke him in the bullpen..sort of like Billingsley. Of course, he broke in as the closer for a World Series team.
True that.
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
he has more then 2 pitches
look at my post above
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Fangraphs says fastball (88.2%), slider (9.1%), change (2.7%). To me, this looks like one go-to secondary pitch.
by silverwidow on Aug 29, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
well obviously
hes not gonna use the change up out the pen…..
remember ELBERT??? he never used his suposed plus change up out the pen either
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Difference being, Elbert was drafted and developed as a starting pitcher until he got hurt. So of course he had more pitches than what he showed in L.A.’s pen.
Jansen was converted to a reliever primarily because of his plus arm strength. A perfect fit for a late inning bullpen role. Right now, his slider is all he needs to be an elite bullpen arm. It would be a risk to try to stretch him out considering how few innings he’s thrown.
by silverwidow on Aug 29, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Its ok cause his changeup is good
I base this on absolutely nothing.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
nobody has given any good reasons why jensen cant become a starter...
ive asked this question before and still no good answers of why/.
Or that, I guess.
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
it will be a process
building up his arm stregnth… but for people to say its not possible is not true… it could happen if the dodgers want to
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
He only has two more option years left.
Its much harder to be a starter than it is to be an reliever. somethings you just got to let things be.
I really dont think the Dodgers want to. He is Broxton’s heir apparent, and Broxton wont be a dodger in a few years.
by UCLADodger32 on Aug 29, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
he cant be sent to the minors for a year??
to work on his starting ?
then come up the next as a starter?
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably just inexperience.
Seems about the only logical reason. How is his mental toughness? Wouldn’t want his confidence shaken if he has a very bad start.
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously?
You can’t assume that all of his pitches are good enough to be used on a regular basis in the majors. He has two known good pitches, two others he has thrown very rarely, and might simply not be good enough.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
??
what do you ean might not be good enough…
if he works on them they will be good…
plus kershaw throws only 2 pitches most of his career and was dominant…
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
is**
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
i wrote was
because he now throws 3 pitches and is dominant
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
IN RELIEF…
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
He's talking about Kershaw...
LOL
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha that works.
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
come on
they have the potential to be good
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
sure
and i like potential. but you’re assuming that potential will be realized. You don’t seem to understand how hard it is to start in the majors and how far behind jansen is on the pitching curve because of his position conversion.
You're kidding...
I can pitch in the big leagues, what a joke!
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
jansen has actualy showed he can pitch in the big leagues...
i dont get what is all this oh i can pitch in the bigs…
its not like hes sucking in the minors
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh I was just kidding.
I was just saying how hard it obviously is to start in the bigs.
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Well I guess since its that easy I'll go ahead and work on my offspeed stuff
I’ll be a major league starter any day now.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
There's a reason why Kershaw is pretty much the only 2 pitch pitcher for a long while in the majors.
Because hes the shit?
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Kershaw has pitched since he was most likely five. Not the same.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus,
he’s had an all strikeout perfect game :)
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
In high school, of course.
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Manny is the best I have ever seen on a day to day basis. Beltre’s huge season was fantastic, Green had that monster year, Piazza was my favorite player and obviously the best hitting catcher ever, and Sheffield was a beast, but nothing compares to watching Manny. Just the way he would approach his at bats, take pitches, and constantly guess right is an absolute joy to watch. Even though he has lost a little bat speed and some power, his genius about hitting was on display almost every at bat. I’m really thankful that we were all able to see him every day in 08 and for part of 09 because we all saw one of the best hitters ever to play the game of baseball.
Plus, no one in the league is better than he is against the Yanks.
That will definitely help the White Sox if they make the postseason.
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
from mlb.com
“Going on a Waiver Claim”.http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100829&content_id=14088988&vkey=news_la&fext=.jsp&c_id=la&tcid=fb-la-news4
I enjoyed the Manny years and share the dread of the PodBoy years
So we for sure are just shedding his contract?
People above tweeted that we might get Jon Gilmore instead.
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Until it is official and through the commish office nothing is a done deal but..
the lead of the article is
Manny Ramirez’s days with the Dodgers will end Monday, when the club will let him go to the Chicago White Sox on a waiver claim, according to baseball sources.
of course it is by Ken Gurnick so MMV
Out not with a bang but a whimper, indeed.
We have many great memories of him in his relatively short stint as a Dodger and he helped us make the NLCS twice so no hard feelings as far as I’m concerned.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
i agree
i just think he could be if the dodgers wanted him to be…. if they were patient, left him in the minors for 2 years to work on it…. cause we aint gonna be in contention for a world series the next 2 years anyways….
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Josh Lindblom?
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
lindbloms fastball is nowhere near jansen
l
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
What do you think Jansen’s fastball would be as a starter? 90-92 most likely, which is really nothing special and he would have to back that up with great command and offspeed pitches.
by UCLADodger32 on Aug 29, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
most likely 91-93
but from his frame its a much harder pitch to hit… imo jansen is not like the regular pitcher… he is kershaw special…
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
90-92/91-93
Doesnt seem worth it.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm gonna say
the same as Aroldis Chapman.
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
but what about kershaw
right now he is 91-93 …. yet he throws his fastball a LOT!
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
How dare you compare the two.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
thats how special i think jensen is
his fastball is not like other fastballs
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
when the batter swings, he misses
because it’s not there
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 29, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
coming from his 6-6 frame
long arms… powerful… rising action
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Like this dude?
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck all that
we should sign him.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
looks like the 3b guy we’ve been looking for?
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 29, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Jansen right now averages 93.5 on his fastball, about one mph faster than Kershaw. He would like be 89-92 on the fastball as a starter from the right side. Thats a dime a dozen type stuff, and he doesnt have the command or offspeed stuff to back that up.
by UCLADodger32 on Aug 29, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Heres the thing..
Lindblom is a PITCHER. Jansen has got a golden fuckin cannon, hes a thrower.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Hahaha
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
in the minors
he usually didnt pitch more than 1 inning per outing, so yeah.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
actually half his outings were 2 inning outings
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Who are you talking about?
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Well thats not right I think.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
i remember in the beginning of the year
he had a bunch of 2 inning outings
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember one outing in LAN that he went 2, i think. He also got hit hard.
IE – 11 games and 18 IP
CHA – 22 games and 27 IP
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
that means nothing
hes had 15 games pitched this year of 2 innings.
by matthewmafa on Aug 29, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
The goggles.. THEY DO NOTHING
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
So it won't be someone like Flowers but more like Gilmore, if anyone?
Meh. Better than Justin Fuller I guess.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Doesn't matter
we just need to teach them how to throw breaking pitches so they can be starters
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Or a fucking nasty knuckle ball. Lets blow his arm out.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Soap Bubble.
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
best of luck to manny in chicago
he may have had that fiasco last season which got him suspended for 50 games, but I’ll give him credit for carrying a young, inexperienced team to the NLCS back in 08.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
Wil Wheaton is not heartbroken that Manny is leaving
Wow.
@wilw Manny Ramirez’ final act as a Dodger: ejected for arguing strikes while pinch hitting with the bases loaded. Good riddance, you douchebag.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
SHELDON OWNS YOU!
DOUCHE BAG!
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe so.
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
huh
Wesley always annoyed the shit outta me. When they got rid of him on STNG I said the same thing: “Good riddance, you douchebag.” : )
Love STNG
DId they kill that douche off?
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Heh, he has gone on at lengths
about how poorly written his character was on that show.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Yep
He’s a blogger writer actor etc, and prolific tweeter. His Dodger fan tweets are not my favorite of his. I’ve tweeted at him a few times about that to no avail. Oh well.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Tell him
Sheldon>Wheaton, he’ll understand.
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
It's on my SBNation profile here :)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Niners, Raiders, Giants and Warriors suck.
It must suck to live there.
I used to upload the NCAA Football '09 and '10 rosters into Madden and always drafted Sam Bradford onto the Rams in Franchise Mode...I liked him before he was cool =)
by douchiedude on Aug 29, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I love it here
The one thing I really don’t like is all the Niners, Raiders, Giants and Warriors fans. :)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
heh
after playing the Yankees at home, the White Sox go on the road to play at Cleveland and Boston, both Manny’s old stomping grounds.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
DYNOmite!! Let the Manny bashing begin
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
speaking of Manny bashing, it has commenced on 570 AM
In the past twenty minutes, I have learned from a Red Sox fan that when Manny came back to Fenway with the Dodgers this year, he swung at the first pitch, which he NEVER DOES (caller’s words), thus indicating that he wanted to get back to the bench and not hear the boos. That makes sense, because we know Manny would NEVER swing at the first pinch. We also learned that Manny did not play in left field at Fenway, because he had a “phantom injury” so he wouldn’t have to hear all the heckling coming from fans as he was in the outfield. (MRIs are clearly not as conclusive as deeply held beliefs.)
For his part, the host (JT the something or other), said that it was a good call, that Manny has “evolved into a quitter who steals money” (his exact words- I wanted to make sure I got that part right), unlike Brett Favre, who “does it every year” and is a champion. (Brett Favre, as we know, is a perfect teammate who doesn’t make it all about him, unlike Manny the quitter.) Seriously though, at least when Manny quits, you can take him at his word! Sheesh.
i already heard some Manny bashing
on MLB tonight, with Joe Magrane calling Manny getting kicked out “quitting”.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 29, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
we’ll see how he does in Chicago
He’s landing smack dab in the middle of a real pennant race now
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 29, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
He's going from a pitcher's park to a hitter's park
I think he’ll do great.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 29, 2010 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
You were listening to JT the Brick
He is a big time conservative Yankee fan. He is also part of the East Coast bias even though he is out of Vegas, who believe that everything Manny did this year is the same as when he left the Red Sox. If memory serves me correct in that series Manny hit a HR,
by wineracquet on Aug 29, 2010 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
JT the Brick.. Not fond of him.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions
We'll take the cash
Besides, the Dodgers already have a pretty good prospect at 3rd…
"What's your name?" "Fuck you, that's my name"
Here's a clue
He’s moonlighting as a pitcher in San Bernardino…
"What's your name?" "Fuck you, that's my name"
by angelofdeath on Aug 29, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
He was a 3rd baseman/pitcher in HS
"What's your name?" "Fuck you, that's my name"
by angelofdeath on Aug 29, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I know but if they ever get serious about converting him back, he’d have to go down a level or two probably.
If I’m not mistaken, one of the resident minor league experts did an interview with Watson earlier this week who said that there were no plans on moving him back to third.
I remember when he was drafted, Kevin Goldstein thought he heard he
was drafted as a hitter, it was pointed out that he was drafted as a pitcher and he agreed thinking that was where his future would be.
by bhsportsguy on Aug 29, 2010 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Brandon said hed post the interview Monday
and that Watson isnt going to move him to 3rd in the near future… no plans at all
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Aug 30, 2010 3:15 AM PDT up reply actions
They'd probably give him another year
He has the stuff to be really good, but his control sucks
"What's your name?" "Fuck you, that's my name"
by angelofdeath on Aug 29, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
NOT going to happen
You will see why, tomorrow.
by Julio Nievas on Aug 30, 2010 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions
What happens tomorrow?
"What's your name?" "Fuck you, that's my name"
by angelofdeath on Aug 30, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
White Sox only 4.5 games behind the Twins …
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 29, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Danys Baez
Enough said
"What's your name?" "Fuck you, that's my name"
by angelofdeath on Aug 29, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Considering Jackson has now been dealt by
3 more teams since then, I think it is safe to say that he has had good and bad moments for each club.
by bhsportsguy on Aug 29, 2010 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
He was really good in Detroit, horrible in Arizona
ZOMG the NL is better than the AL!!!
"What's your name?" "Fuck you, that's my name"
by angelofdeath on Aug 29, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate hearing the Werth, Ross, Victorino, and Jackson comments.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
by NotJoeTorre on Aug 29, 2010 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Good Bye and Good Night in the Quest of the season 2010
Manny
Martin
Schlicting
Furcal
Padilla
Troncoso
Anderson
Ramon Ortiz
Miller
DeWitt
Ellis
Haeger
Wade
Ely
Paul
Green
Castro
Russ Ortiz
Link
Taschner
McDonald
Hu
Elbert
Stults
by 68elcamino427 on Aug 29, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
OT - Clipper schedule note
From February 4, 2011 to March 14, 2011 (38 days, 5.5 weeks) the Clippers play 20 games, 17 on the road (including one against the Lakers). They have an 11 game road trip in February bracketing the All-Star break and then have a 5 game trip in March.
I hope Manny kills the ball in Chicago
He did well enough this season, so people can’t say he quit on us (or rightfully so, anyway), he just couldn’t stay healthy enough to play unfortunately.
If we had Manny all season we may very well have been in the race still at this point. Oh well.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I find it interesting that unlike fans in Boston
most here are ready to take Manny’s side in this situation over the Dodgers considering all the games Manny has missed through suspension and injuries.
The difference is the situation. Boston fans viewed their relationship with Manny like a marriage whereas we viewed our relationship with Manny like a one night fling. We we willing to overlook the character flaws for the sensation that he brought us. Boston thought it was forever and was badly hurt when Manny grew bored with the relationship and wanted to see other people.
by OB12 on Aug 30, 2010 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
No
I think people dislike/distrust Dodger ownership and management more than Boston fans disliked/distrusted theirs (though it was Boston’s management that enabled the “Manny being Manny” label more than Cleveland and the Dodgers.)
He's gone
no sense ripping him for things we may only suspect. This isn’t ESPN. If we knew for sure that Manny was dogging his injuries, that would be different. Other then his spell after the pitch off the wrist, when Manny played he did what he was paid to do.
So Eric with the suspension and trade how much did Manny get paid by us including future payments compared to the original contract?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Joe Torre, again America's hero
When Dodgers manager Joe Torre this week benched Ramirez for Scott Podsednik and his .336 slugging percentage, the implication was obvious: Even if the team somehow happened to claw back into the crowded NL playoff race, it wasn’t going to be with Ramirez. And what a beautiful sight it was, somebody emasculating Manny the way he has done so many others. Because he is among the best right-handed hitters to ever play, and because others have for so long enabled him, Manny forever strutted around without anyone calling him on his nonsense until he was gone. Torre flipped the script.
Barf.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-manny082910
"There’s no reason I can give you that makes sense. A lot of what I do is a feel thing."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 30, 2010 5:51 AM PDT reply actions
I really dislike Passan’s columns. This is a perfect example of why.
by CarolinaDodger on Aug 30, 2010 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions
It's his insufferable illogic that kills me
Bury Manny for supposedly quitting on the Dodgers, but praise Torre for supposedly putting “emasculating” Manny ahead of the Dodgers’ wild card hopes.
"There’s no reason I can give you that makes sense. A lot of what I do is a feel thing."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 30, 2010 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions
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