Dodgers Week 21 In Review: Say Goodbye To Mannywood
by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 6:00 AM PDT
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PrintI was going to subtitle this week in review "In Rod We Trust," in honor of the Dodgers' newest catcher, but the big news of the week was of course the end of the Manny Ramirez era in Los Angeles. The final three months, including the playoffs, of 2008 were the most exciting time I have had as a Dodger fan since the 1988 squad, and Manny was the reason why.
His subsequent time with the Dodgers was great when he played, but thanks to fragile legs and, at times, a fragile ego, Manny simply missed too much time in 2009-2010. Just like that, the Mannywood is no more. He will be missed, not only for what was, but also what might have been.
On the week, the Dodgers had some offense, and made quite an uphill climb, winning four in a row heading into Saturday's contest in Colorado. Then, the club dropped two straight to stop their playoff train dead in its tracks, again.
Dodger Batter of the Week: Rod Barajas welcomed himself to the Dodgers like no other, with three extra-base hits in his first three plate appearances with the club. On the week, he hit .462/.563/1.077 with two doubles and two home runs in four games. The Beard gets an honorable mention, as Casey Blake hit two homers this week, including a tiebreaking grand slam on Friday night in Colorado. A tip of the cap goes to Brad Ausmus as well, as the Dodger catchers brought their bats this week.
Dodger Pitcher of the Week: Clayton Kershaw opposed Ubaldo Jimenez on Friday night in Colorado, and had a very good night, allowing just one run. He threw a lot of pitches, and was done after six innings, but his performance was enough to garner the award this week. Honorable mention goes to Hiroki Kuroda, who gave up four runs in his seven innings on Wednesday, but also didn't walk a batter while striking out six.
Week 21 Record: 4-2
31 runs scored (5.17 per game)
25 runs allowed (4.17 per game)
.597 pythagorean winning percentage
Season Record: 67-64
571 runs scored (4.36 per game)
562 runs allowed (4.29 per game)
.507 pythagorean winning percentage (66-65)
Transactions:
There were technically no transactions this week, as A.J. Ellis was optioned to Triple A Albuquerque right after last Sunday's game. Also, Manny Ramirez was claimed on waivers by the White Sox, though his move to Chicago isn't expected until Monday, or possibly Tuesday.
Wednesday is September 1, when active roster limits are expanded to 40, so expect a few call-ups this week
Game Results:
- Tuesday: Dodgers 5, Brewers 3
- Wednesday: Dodgers 5, Brewers 4
- Thursday: Dodgers 7, Brewers 1
- Friday: Dodgers 6, Rockies 2
- Saturday: Rockies 5, Dodgers 3
- Sunday: Rockies 10, Dodgers 5
Upcoming Week: The Dodgers come back home to face the top two teams in the NL Wild Card race, the Phillies and the Giants, with an off day in between.
| Mon | Tue | Wed | Thu | Fri | Sat | Sun |
| 30 vs Phi 7:10pm |
31 vs Phi 7:10pm |
1 vs Phi 12:10pm |
2 Off |
3 vs SF 7:10pm |
4 vs SF 7:10pm |
5 vs SF 5pm |
Previous Weeks in Review: Wk 1 | Wk 2 | Wk 3 | Wk 4 | Wk 5 | Wk 6 | Wk 7 | Wk 8 | Wk 9 | Wk 10 | Wk 11 | Wk 12 | Wk 13 | Wk 14 | Wk15 | Wk 16 | Wk 17 | Wk 18 | Wk 19 | Wk 20
Week 21 Stats
| Player | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SB/CS | BA/OBP/SLG | OPS |
| Barajas | 16 | 13 | 2 | 6 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 5 | 2 | 0/0 | .462/.563/1.077 | 1.639 |
| Blake | 22 | 21 | 3 | 7 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 7 | 1 | 0/0 | .333/.364/.762 | 1.126 |
| Theriot | 29 | 26 | 5 | 10 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 0/1 | .385/.448/.500 | .948 |
| Podsednik | 21 | 20 | 3 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1/1 | .450/.476/.450 | .926 |
| Ethier | 27 | 24 | 2 | 6 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 1/0 | .250/.333/.500 | .833 |
| Kemp | 28 | 23 | 2 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 3 | 2/0 | .261/.357/.435 | .792 |
| Carroll | 25 | 22 | 4 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 1/1 | .227/.320/.273 | .593 |
| Loney | 28 | 25 | 4 | 5 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 0/0 | .200/.286/.280 | .566 |
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| Manny | 9 | 7 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 0/0 | .286/.444/.571 | 1.016 |
| Ausmus | 9 | 7 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0/0 | .429/.556/.429 | .984 |
| Belliard | 5 | 5 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0/0 | .400/.400/.400 | .800 |
| Gibbons | 5 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0/0 | .250/.400/.250 | .650 |
| Johnson | 4 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0/0 | .250/.250/.250 | .500 |
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| Pitchers | 15 | 13 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0/0 | .000/.071/.000 | .071 |
| Totals | 243 | 214 | 31 | 63 | 17 | 0 | 6 | 30 | 25 | 5/3 | .294/.372/.458 | .830 |
| Pitcher | G | W-L | Sv | IP | H | R | ER | BB | K | ERA | WHIP | FIP* |
| Kershaw | 1 | 0-0 | -- | 6.0 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 1.50 | 1.167 | 3.87 |
| Monasterios | 1 | 0-0 | -- | 4.1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 2.08 | 0.692 | 7.58 |
| Billingsley | 1 | 0-1 | -- | 6.0 | 5 | 3 | 3 | 5 | 0 | 4.50 | 1.667 | 7.37 |
| Kuroda | 1 | 1-0 | -- | 7.0 | 7 | 4 | 4 | 0 | 6 | 5.14 | 1.000 | 1.49 |
| Lilly | 2 | 1-1 | -- | 10.1 | 16 | 10 | 10 | 2 | 10 | 8.71 | 1.742 | 5.62 |
| Starters | 6 |
2-2 | -- | 33.2 | 35 | 19 | 19 | 10 | 25 | 5.08 | 1.337 | 5.01 |
| Jansen | 2 | 0-0 | -- | 4.0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 7 | 0.00 | 0.750 | 1.95 |
| Kuo | 2 | 0-0 | 2 | 2.1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0.00 | 0.429 | 0.63 |
| Weaver | 2 | 0-0 | -- | 1.2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0.600 | 6.80 |
| Sherrill | 3 | 0-0 | -- | 1.1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0.00 | 0.000 | 1.70 |
| Broxton | 2 | 1-0 | -- | 2.2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 3.38 | 0.750 | 1.70 |
| Belisario | 5 | 1-0 | -- | 4.0 | 4 | 3 | 3 | 1 | 3 | 6.75 | 1.250 | 10.45 |
| Dotel | 3 | 0-0 | 1 | 2.1 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 7.71 | 0.857 | (0.23) |
| Relievers | 6 |
2-0 | 3 | 18.1 | 9 | 6 | 6 | 5 | 20 |
2.95 | 0.764 | 3.75 |
| Totals | 6 |
4-2 | 3 | 52.0 | 44 | 25 | 25 | 15 | 45 | 4.33 | 1.135 | 4.57 |
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I realize this post is about the week in review
But looking forward, tomorrow is the start of the divorce trial…
Hope we get a prospect back for Manny. Gilmore looks like he’s pretty light hitting for a 3B prospect, but seems to be improving and we have no depth at 3rd in the system.
But is he worth a million bucks or two
doubtful.
As someone who has been to a lot of trials, I would not expect anything earth-shattering to happen in the early going, we may find out somethings based on how the judge rules on some pre-trial (motion in limine) motions but really the whole ball game will be around the ruling about the Marriage Property Agreement, until then, it is just an exhibition game.
anything
about if the Dodgers got anybody in a trade? sounds like everyone is in agreement it was a straight waiver claim.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 30, 2010 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
GOOD BYE MANNYWOOD!
I just hope that the 4 mill or so that we saved in the deal goes to Cliff Lee, or one of Carl Crawford or Jayson Werth. Mannys time ran out a long time ago. I always respected what Manny could do with a bat in his hand, but other than that, I really couldnt stand the guy.
My hope is that next year, we get a free agent starter that works. Andruw Jones, Manny Ramirez, Jason Schmidt… these contract flops need to stop.
Free agent signings are almost always going to be risky
If not for the immediate payoff, then for what you have to pay going past the first year. You hope it works out but they almost are never worth the money. That is why you should try for short term deals.
I'd expect it will be used to help pay
for his deferred contract in 2011.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Interesting how the Pierre deal
did not make your list.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Actually,
I thought about it later. Pierre was a mistake, and a knee jerk reaction to Drew leaving. But he was at least productive. I guess Manny was when he wasnt injured or suspended. We built our team around this guy this year, and he was basically a no-show. If we had a consistent slugger at one of the corners, which we really havent since Beltre left, Pierres signing wouldnt have been too bad. We got Manny because we desperately needed a bat for the middle of the lineup, thus spelling the end for Pierre. I dont think it was Pierres fault that it was a bad signing. Pierre, like Schmidt, was a Ned failure, which led to the Manny failure. Maybe Neds signing should have been on the list too….
Werth could easily be our next contract flop going from that extreme hitters park back to Dodger Stadium
I don’t want werth.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I'd rather have Jayson Werth then Matt Kemp or Andre Ethier.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I agree
But Werth’s numbers will never be as good as they are now. Hitting in Philly with some serious sluggers around him is a lot more apt to produce big numbers than hitting in DS stadium with no one terribly scary in the lineup.
I really liked werth when he was here...
But on 2nd thought, I just looked at his home/away splits.. this year looks pretty bad, but in 09, and 08, he was pretty even. Though in 09 his babip at home was .270 something, compared to .330 something on the road. But you have to look at defense too. UZR has him at-5 this year, but he was and is still a great defender. HEs definitely not a CFr, but his career uzr in right is a shining 29.5, which is where he would play, moving Dre to left. Werth in LF is 10.9 in his career, so even if he didnt move, hed still be a plus defender. We would have one hell of an outfield, with Werth, Kemp and Ethier. We STILL need production from our corner infielders. Its not coming from Loney or Blake.. especially since the AS break. And there really isnt anything out there as far as 1b or 3b free agents, and both Loney and Blake are under contract or team control next year. We need another bat in our OF in order to compete next year.
or we could trade kemp..
For Grienke, and sign Lee, Crawford and Werth. I know it’d never happen, but I can dream.
I know you like him
And I used to a lot as well, but I don’t see anything good happening if we sign him.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
As TBLA tweeted earlier
For McCourt divorce trial news and updates, follow @DodgerDivorce and @molly_knight
They both have stated that they're about to "go dark."
They’re not allowed to update via their phones once in court?
Judges don’t like it very much if you’re on the phone or using the web while court is in session. If you’re caught doing it, you’d probably get kicked out.
by Bob Timmermann on Aug 30, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Molly said
the Court was going to confiscate (take) their phones when Court started.
There are not many places in Los Angeles where one person has total control of everything and anything like a court room. Judges pretty much have full discretion to do and say anything.
Since we are shifting to 2011 mode
There is an interesting tidbit from HardballTalk that says that LaRussa and Rasmus have a sour relationship and one will not be with the Cards come 2011.
Now, I don’t entirely believe that either will be gone, but for fun what would it take to get Rasmus from the Cards?
Wow, getting Rasmus would be such an amazing thing to happen
I wonder what his cost would be, as he’s a first round draft pick and a former top prospect with amazing defense and a good bat in CF. I want!
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
If teams traded every player
that their manager did not get along with, half the rosters would change in the off season.
No kidding
I even call BS and expect the odds of both of them being on the team come 2011 at over 90%.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I think Broxton plus a lower prospect would/should be good enough, Broxton’s value to other teams should be very high, just because our management is stupid doesn’t mean everyone else’s is.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Why is our management any different than any other team
Look the Dodgers certainly can be criticized but in the end, I don’t believe they act that much differently than any other club in baseball. And to think the Dodgers don’t value their players as high or as low as other teams has no basis.
The Cardinals wouldn’t take Broxton in trade now because he is 6th year player and he is going to make $7+ million next year.
I don't see it as Front Office defending
I tend to see it as common sense, or at least a fair shake at looking at both sides of the issue.
We missed your commen sense when you were on vacation
but what do expect of these utes.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I take offense to "utes" good sir
we prefer young-ins’, or whippersnappers.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 30, 2010 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Honestly, how many other teams do you believe would have demoted Broxton from the closers role when 3 weeks ago he was still having one of the top 10 seasons from a closer this year. I realize not every team has Kuo, but how many times has Dotel gone in for the save instead of Kuo? Btw, fuck Dotel.
You’re right about the final year thing, so more would be necessary, I was just thinking Broxton was being a bit undersold.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Some would say
Torre’s bullpen usage over the past few weeks was more advanced than most, using pitchers in situations no matter what inning is what a lot of analysts believe should be done.
Broxton is so low key and soft spoken, I doubt he cares much (except for the performance clause in his contract)
nobody with a brain did
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
It is advanced, but it is happening for all the wrong reasons. Torre does not really believe that Broxton(his best reliever) should be pitching in high leverage situations, instead it is just that he is not the 9th inning guy anymore for all the wrong reasons.
Is Broxton really the best reliever?
Do anyone really have a problem with Kuo being the Closer?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Since generally
teams win something like 95%+ with any lead in the 9th inning, I am not sure why you need defined roles anyway.
I agree with using your best guys in high leverage situations, but to say that Torre suddenly woke up in Aug 2010 after 20 years of dinosaur old school managing to work a bullpen like that is wrong. If Brox did not struggle for a couple weeks, he would be pitching in the 9th, and everyone would he their defined roles.
Exactly
Torre totally backed into the current (nearly optimal) usage, and a confluence of events needed to happen for him to do it.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough
but if he trusted Kuo’s arm enough to pitch him on back-to-back days, he would have.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
30 teams
should and would have demoted Broxton 3 weeks ago, as he was going through a month-long stretch of the worst pitching of his career. That was a no brainer.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
And you don't think he would have snapped out of it at some point?
He’s even closed a game or two since then (I believe) and done a fine job. Players go into funks, it happens. I’m not the kind of person that wants to bench a player right away once they get into a bad stretch, you’ve got to Loney or Sherrill yourself for me to want that.*
*Loney’s not as bad as Sherrill was at his worst, I’m just saying Loney’s done it for long enough that it’s time we try to find a new 1B.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I know it's not, and he's done well enough recently to where I think he should be given the job back
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Hey, John Moziliak, why don’t you trade us your only good cost controlled player for our setup man?
That sounds awesome! Also I have trouble putting my pants on correctly every morning.
by regfairfield on Aug 30, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Lost weekend
on Friday Night as much as no one wanted to admit it, things were starting to get a little exciting again. Reality has once again set in. One of the lousier Sat/Sun combo’s we have had.
No Manny, now gone Manny
Loney sucked even in the house he owned
Lilly rocked
Cargo/Fowler made our young boys look old
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I was just thinking
If we look back at the top minor league systems in 2004-2006 and see how those prospects turned out (Diamondbacks, Angels, and Dodgers), what would we find?
Interestingly enough
the Rays did it primarily with pitching and being fortunate that the Rockies did not pick Evan Longoria.
as good
as everyone as been saying they were supposed to be.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 30, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Cargo in Coors
Anderson in Oakland
Quentin in Chicago
Arizona in last place
Dodgers in next to last place
Angels have a young infield (Morales, Kendrick, Aybar, Wood) but only Morales the Cuban import in anything to write home about. The best young player for them has been Napoli and no one considered him a prospect.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
and Napoli could be in Boston by today, although a deal is unlikely.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
That would seem very strange
except that he is probably going to make $5 M+ as a part-time catcher and DH next year.
there were saying
it was more likely he’d be traded in the offseason.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 30, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know why in the hell they would trade him at all
But if they do, I want some of that action.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Sciosia
likes defensive catchers better than offensive ones.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 30, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, he's done a good job of trying to spurn the .500 slugging catcher the last few years
I’d hold onto Napoli and never let go.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Tough day for the Dodgers
http://losangeles.sbnation.com/2010/8/30/1658506/today-is-not-a-good-day-for-the
1) end of the Manny era, and the national bullshit like Jeff Passan that follows
2) the divorce trial
3) facing Roy Halladay
I am guessing that is just a note for us to look at
not for people to go there and comment there instead of here.
geez
it’s like their own Kemp/TorreCo saga
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 30, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Why do so many baseball writers, reporters, radio hosts, etc, seem to think that the White Sox suddenly have to pay all of Manny’s deferred money just because they picked him up off waivers?
Chicago is responsible for 35 days out of 183 of his 2010 salary only, which comes out to $3.825 million.
They don’t need to know that. They need to have some common sense and actually know the facts of what they are talking about…most don’t.
by KellyStephen on Aug 30, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
saw that
Kensai for 2011 batting coach
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 30, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Well
Chad did say, it is hard to know if the Dodgers are working with him on these things too, it could be that Matt fell into some bad habits and he won’t be able to adjust until next year.
I don't check any other sites besides this one (and Yahoo) unless they are linked
I would gladly read anything on that and boost his views if someone would be kind enough to link it, though.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Here Ivy
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 30, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks Tommy
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
NOW I OWN YOU!!!!!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 30, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
It definitely is a great job by Chad. I posted yesterday that I thought Kemp’s biggest problem (not mechanically, and Chad jus broke down the hell out of his issue) was missing hittable fastballs that lead to 0-2 or 1-2 counts, and Chad mentioned that as well.
by UCLADodger32 on Aug 30, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
agreed,
that has been so frustrating. watching him swing through fastballs he used to turn into a fine paste.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 30, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice interview
I could be wrong here but of the three GM candidates in the Dodger front office, I think Watson has the best chance to become one and probably the best chance to succeed Ned.
You made us proud Lake Show! 2009 and 2010 BACK 2 BACK CHAMPS!
by sumo390 on Aug 30, 2010 9:25 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
For what it's worth,
(not much perhaps) Jim Rome just kind of defended Manny and criticized the Dodgers for the way Mannywood ended. Said he should’ve been playing this weekend, who cares what the outfield is like in Colorado, he’s one of their best hitters, they set it up so he’d be frustrated by being benched, so he’d look bad and then got rid of him when people were down on him again. Well he basically said it was obvious they were getting rid of him a few days ago so they were just making up stuff. I think he was even too one-sided in his critique to that extreme, but was good to hear the anti-Wil Wheaton take. ;-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
But the problem with that take
is that fans were already down on Manny anyway, they didn’t need to do anything to make it worst.
I do believe that a decision was made to let Manny go once he was claimed and that the Dodgers were basically holding him out to try and make sure he didn’t get hurt to lessen a possible trade value and that the team was basically moving on without him.
I would have been more surprised if the Dodgers were playing in Arizona and Manny sat given his success against the D-Backs.
yeah as I said that part of his take seemed a mite harsh
but I do think he was clearly on his way out already so they were holding him out for those reasons. I suspected as much after his 3rd straight day off, whatever Torre was saying it was obviously just a cover for what was really going. Even Torre with his odd favoritism at times isn’t crazy enough to think Pods is a better hitter than Manny (though they also clearly could see manny can hardly run and so it’s not like there’s no truth to the idea that playing him in the field is a liability. But that was only a small part of the story.)
I’d rather get the Sklar Bros take on it though. ;-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Jay Jaffe made a similar claim
basically that the manager and general manager wanted to bench Ramirez in order to encourage him to waive his no-trade clause. ($$ http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=11876) Sad that it ended this way.
Everyone is going to be much happier
when we sweep the Phillies
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Playoff possibilities dashed or not dashed, that would certainly make me very very happy.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
agreed
especially since I’ll be at the game tonight.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 30, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Am I the only one who holds Manny's suspension last year against him?
I really don’t mind the rest of his so called “antics”, but that suspension still rubs me the wrong way, and is probably a big part of why people are so down on Manny.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
for sure
if that had never happend, even with everything else going the exact same way, today would be “Manny is gone, and we is so sad.” At least a larger majority. instead it’s “teh cheat iz gone, hooray!!!!”
gah…
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 30, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Is that so wrong?
That people have a problem with a guy cheating?
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Last year’s suspension was the deciding factor for me never jumping on the Manny-wagon. I was never a big fan, but the end of 2008 certainly made me doubt myself. Then suspension in 2009 and absolutely falling apart in 2010 pretty much insured I was a serious non-fan.
Which isn’t to say I didn’t appreciate how much better the Dodgers were when he played and how brilliant of a hitter he is.
So Ned...
…you said that you wouldn’t move Manny unless you were out of it. Does this mean you’re out of it? So I shouldn’t buy a ticket for Sunday’s game after all?
If you only go to games because of the potential post-season ramifications of the game, then save your money.
If you like going to baseball games, then buy a ticket. You don’t need Ned to signal that the season is over, it’s been over for some time.
by Michael White on Aug 30, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I am thinking tickets will be cheap in September. That makes me happy since I gave up a while ago anyway,
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 30, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Besides, the Dodgers could still seriously screw up the playoff picture because of who they play. Now its more fun because we have no hope or expectation, but we can still be pleasantly surprised whenever they beat the Phillies or the Giants.
Maybe the Dodgers kicked off Rocktober 2010 on Saturday. They are the best option of the 4 remaining NL WC teams in terms of least hateable.
that is true.
Rockies are the least hateable of the four. Today, i’m not sure who to root for: Phillies or Dodgers? I need to decide whether I hate the Giants more or the Phillies…
Gotta root for the Dodgers
We could be 3.5/4 games out of the WC with a three game sweep, with the Giants up next at home.
Dodgers. Easy call. I can’t stomach watching the Dodgers and not rooting for them.
by Michael White on Aug 30, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Title for those who find my post annoying
Of the playoff eligible teams, my liking goes like this:
Cardinals
Reds
Padres
Giants
Phillies
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
LAME!
They didn’t space it out like I wanted
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Phillies
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
That rivalry has been put to the side for the time being for the Phillies…I can’t imagine hating a team more than the Phillies right now.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Not Jerry Sands but
keithlaw
Sounds pretty likely that the Dodgers will call up OF Trayvon Robinson – definite top 100 guy for me this winter, power still to come.
Interesting
was kinda hoping they’d call him up to get some ML reps. They are going to start him in AAA next year but seems we could see him next year in LA, depending on a lot of things of course (incl who they sign to play OF, on X Paul, etc)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
OK I finaly saw the Manny ejection (I was on radio live)
and it was clearly warranted even though the pitch was a ball. Manny kept arguing so it was OK that he was run. But he didn’t curse, so it wasn’t that bad, and you’d like to see umpires apply that standard to everyone (Miguel Tejada should have been ejected over the weekend for similar).
But then I heard Buster Olney on ESPN Radio this morning say Manny’s ejection was one of the 10 least professional things he has ever seen in baseball.
Spare me the sanctimonious bullshit, Buster. Fuck you.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 10:21 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
When Vin Scully is surprised
And he has seen something around 6000 MLB games plus, I go with him.
by bhsportsguy on Aug 30, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
more like
9882 games
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 30, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
well he stopped doing all the games in the late 70s
when he started his CBS contract and then the same when he went to CBS. I am sure its closer to 8000
by bhsportsguy on Aug 30, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
If I was Vin Scully
I’d probably watch at least some of my favorite team’s games, even if I wasn’t broadcasting them.
by Riffraffselbow on Aug 30, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Is there a national MSM writer
who is at least fair to Ramirez? Seriously they treat him like a cartoon villain.
He does come off as cartoony
but more like the goofy villian in cartoons who can’t do anything right and always has his plans foiled as much by himself as anyone else.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
lol
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 30, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
#DodgerDivorce and #MollyKnight are live tweeting the divorce proceedings right now. Seems like Frank is out of the gate first.
Dylan Hernandez hates Josie
Sorry, this is dumb. RT @jorgearangure Someone recreated Gibson’s HR in the ‘88 WS on Nintendo’s RBI Baseball. Genius http://bit.ly/cCozlH
I think he was saying his post was dumb and that her work was genius.
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 30, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Saw that, made me laugh
Hey even mockery is cool if it gets you publicity ;-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I’m afraid that Dylan has become unredeemable because of that remark. I shall have to unfollow him.
by Bob Timmermann on Aug 30, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey Dylan,
you know what’s pointless? NON STOP TWEETS ABOUT HOW FAT HANK SCHULMAN IS.
Sheezus.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Hah!
Dylan responded to me, to give him credit at least.
dylanohernandez : No, I am the king of pointlessness. RT @craigary Even more pointless than non-stop tweets about how much Hank Schulman eats? ;-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I still unfollowed him. Man has to take a stand somewhere.
by Bob Timmermann on Aug 30, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
In terms of getting eliminated? Yes, the Pirates are out with a loss or a Reds win.
by Bob Timmermann on Aug 30, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
GET OFF HIS LAWN
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
LOL
god how long do these things take?
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
MJD knee could be a problem though
and Brady might never be the same, and Moss is unreliable! I’m in a hell of a negative mood today.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Got Ray Rice with the 5th pick
and i thought that was something to brag about
by SeanMillerSavior on Aug 30, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
How late are you seeing Schaub going in drafts?
by Michael White on Aug 30, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I doubt he escapes the first two or three
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Hm.
Screw it then. I’ll just wait until the 15th and take Derek Anderson.
by Michael White on Aug 30, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
risky
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I’m not big on taking QBs early.
I’ll take backups RBs before QBs.
by Michael White on Aug 30, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
thats a fail
Is it a 1 or 2QB league?
by SeanMillerSavior on Aug 30, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I grabbed him early in my draft
mostly because he is an absolute stud. . and its a 2QB league
by SeanMillerSavior on Aug 30, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Schaub just got picked 20th overall (end of Round 2, 10 team league)
by silverwidow on Aug 30, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I wanted MJD too
but was worried about his health. He’ll probably be fine though, he;‘s tough. I had the #2 pick and got Adrian Peterson tho so I can’t complain. :-) Tho with my luck that means Peterson will be out for the season with a broken foot in week 2. (Sorry Nate!)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Poker
Last night I had 4 9’s at the flop and I went all in. I could not believe this SOB ended up with a Royal Flush on the river. I can’t believe my luck.
by delias man on Aug 30, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Last night some dude tried to go all Mutalisk against me
even though I was pumping out vikings and marines. Oh man that guy got rolled HARD.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I don't really play poker
sorry
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
On the scale of things other people don't give a shit about...
pictures of kids >>> details of scabs picked >>>> fantasy sports teams >>>> poker hand re-creations.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Delias Man, in a comment that in a perfect world would be green, suckered everyone in
by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
So I did kind of get it
because my post replying to his post was about something I knew even fewer people would give a shit about, let alone understand what I had just said.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I could make a political joke here
I won’t.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Screw fan post
This offseason, it might need to be a feature!
by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Poker more or less than monopoly ;)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
If this was in a casino, you would win close to 50K
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 30, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
So that means he needed a two outer to beat you
since you had to flop a pair of nines. Did he have you covered or was it just a bad call on his part.
by bhsportsguy on Aug 30, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
In baseball terms
I wonder if it is like a leadoff double in the first inning? I think the divorce trial should be covered and analyzed in terms of a baseball game analogy with win probability, odd managerial strategy, bad third base coaching all included.
vr, Xei
I want to know how long its going to last before I endorse such a proposal
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
In that case...
molly_knight Dennis Wasser’s opening line for Team Jamie: “Oh what a tangled web we weave..” I would’ve gone with something more punk rock. <a href="http://Dennis Wasser’s opening line for Team Jamie: “Oh what a tangled web we weave..” I would’ve gone with something more punk rock." target="new">26 minutes ago
This sounds like a botched PR move by Ned.
Totally messed that up...
molly_knight Dennis Wasser’s opening line for Team Jamie: "Oh what a tangled web we weave.." I would’ve gone with something more punk rock. 26 minutes ago
I agree with this
Leadoff double sounds accurate. Maybe even a runner on 3B in the first inning with one out.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
hope that doesn't mean
there’s a popup and a strikeout coming up.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 30, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Don’t forget Andre “Golden Sombrero” Ethier
by KellyStephen on Aug 30, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
is it still just gold
if it’s 4 times? 5 times is platinum if I remember my metals.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 30, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
There's a theory that
whoever the Court appears to be siding with is in fact the losing side but the Court wants to make a good record to protect itself on appeal.
by bhsportsguy on Aug 30, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Seems kind of odd.
If they’re eventually going to do a 50/50 split they would need to know the current assets.
That is big win for Frank
since it would appear that means that the real estate would probably have a higher value and the Dodgers would have a lower value.
by bhsportsguy on Aug 30, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
That's what it seems like.
Like the judge is already assuming that it’s going to come down to the Dodgers go to Frank and the real estate goes to Jamie, and since Frank doesn’t care that he’s not getting 50% of all the assets than there’s no need to include that evidence.
I like it
Enjoy that every country can throw out basically their tallest citizens while explaning the rules to basketball to them on the bus to the game.
by Michael White on Aug 30, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
No, I actually would like to see the flop contest. Will Vlade be at the table holding up a 9 or 10 placard?
A flop contest would be the greatest thing ever.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Believe it or not
but Team USA hasn’t won the FIBA since 1994
by SeanMillerSavior on Aug 30, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Didn't see anything last night
powder blues, I presume?
by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
the powder blue-iest
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 30, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
A team needs to fully commit
I love powder blues, but not with white pants. Go full on, blue pants, blue jerseys. Let me relive the 1980s (even with a team that wasn’t around until 1998) to the fullest!
by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Royals
may cry foul. at least if they do throw-back days.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 30, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
In the 1980s, several teams rocked the full powder blues. It was awesome
by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Just thinking out loud here, from the 1980s...
Phillies, Braves, Expos, Cardinals, Cubs
Brewers, Blue Jays, Twins, Royals, Mariners.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Did any baseball teams ever where creamsicle colored unis?
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Astros came the closest with the rainbows.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
i wore those rainbows in little league
man they were ugly
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Aug 30, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I think I'm the only one who doesn't hate those unis
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Agreed
And powder blues need to be not only complete, but worn on the road. These are the best ones ever, circa 1971 and Richie “Dick” Allen. Too bad Manny will never wear this:
"There’s no reason I can give you that makes sense. A lot of what I do is a feel thing."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 30, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Apparently its breaking news that Clemens pleads not guilty
I for one did not see that coming. Nope not at all.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
The first powder blues, 1944 (sorry for size)
That’s satin, to show up under the lights.
"There’s no reason I can give you that makes sense. A lot of what I do is a feel thing."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 30, 2010 11:29 AM PDT reply actions
That looks like something a boxer
would where into the ring.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Alyssa Milano approves
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
We gave up infinity percent more for Scotty Pods than we got back for Manny.
@jaysonst #Dodgers sending Manny to #WhiteSox on strict waiver claim. WSox take all $3.8M. LA gets no players back. More at ESPN.com
True, when we spend that extra 800K we save the next three years on Chris Gomez, I’ll know who the real winner is.
by regfairfield on Aug 30, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh wait, 2 million in 2013. Alex Cora here we come!
by regfairfield on Aug 30, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Simply put, Manny was traded for cash.
by Michael White on Aug 30, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
We said, here, have Manny Ramirez. No, you don’t have to give us anything, that’s cool.
by regfairfield on Aug 30, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
And they have to pay Manny 4 million from now until 2013.
by regfairfield on Aug 30, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't knock it
I’ll remind you of this when the Dodgers win the 2012 Wild Card by .28 games.
Teams couldn’t agree on a trade (prospects in exchange for Dodgers paying part of remaining salary) but the White Sox were on the hook for his entire salary anyway by putting in a claim.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Ozzie likes Pierre’s energy out there.
by Michael White on Aug 30, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Just found out, no.
Manny waited for deal to be finalized before leaving for Cleveland. Flight lands tonite, but too late for game.
Manny’s White Sox debut is scheduled for Tuesday against Cleveland.
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