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The Home Debut Of Rod Barajas Awaits

There has been so much national media coverage of the Dodgers today, no doubt as the nation prepares for the home debut of Rod Barajas. The Phillies come to town atop the wild card race, with the Dodgers several games behind. The Dodgers really need to sweep, perhaps not only the Phillies, but the Giants as well this coming weekend.

I like really obscure baseball statistics, especially for things that aren't the easiest to track (even more if I'm not the one doing the tracking), so this stat from today's Dodgers game notes blew my mind: tonight's starters, Hiroki Kuroda and Roy Halladay, are the top two pitchers in baseball over the last three seasons when it comes to breaking bats.

Fewest Batters Faced Per Broken Bat Since 2008
Pitcher BF per Broken Bat
Roy Halladay 18.8
Hiroki Kuroda 20.8
Fausto Carmona 22.5
Cole Hamels 22.9
CC Sabathia 24.0
minimum 1,000 BF; Source: STATS LLC

Broken bats is one of those things that you don't think much about, let alone think they are being tracked somewhere, by someone.

Halladay thew a perfect game in Florida earlier this year, and is the first pitcher to face the Dodgers in the same season of a perfect game since Randy Johnson, who pitched against the Dodgers three times in 2004 after his perfect game against Atlanta.

Deconstructing Kemp

You will never find a more detailed and thorough breakdown of a player and his performance than Chad Moriyama's analysis of Matt Kemp over at Memories of Kevin Malone. An excerpt can't possibly do it justice, but here is one:

Now going back to my original hypothesis, I believe Matt Kemp’s contact struggles stem from his inability to hit fastballs rather than curves and sliders, and as far as I can tell, the statistics back me up on this.

In 2009, he was worth 23 runs above average against fastballs and -4.3 runs above average against off-speed pitches. In 2010, he is worth 2.6 runs above average against fastballs and -3.8 runs above average against off-speed pitches.

If you only read one article on the Dodgers this year, it has to be this one. Except for everything ever written at True Blue LA of course.

Notes

Get your guesses in for Xeifrank's game simulation here.

Game Time: 7:10 p.m.

TV:Prime Ticket

Baseball Reference Preview | Box Score | Gameday

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Broken Bat tracker FTW

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 3:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow, Manny really IS Belliard's idol

He even copied the whole magical, late-season acquisition performance headed into free agency, followed by a disappointing second act!

by sarcastro9 on Aug 30, 2010 3:40 PM PDT reply actions  

I threw Ronnie some love in the game recap yesterday. Both him and Gibbons had 1 PA (a pinch hit) and managed to get a hit and drive in a run.

by Michael White on Aug 30, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

According to ESPN:

Take steroids in baseball: Villain
Take steroids in football: You’re just being a man.
Take steroids in basketball: no mention at all, despite considered the most athletic of the major pro sports. (Seriously, why wasn’t Rashard Lewis trashed?)

by Tripon on Aug 30, 2010 3:41 PM PDT reply actions  

This has always killed me. In football, guys are obviously taking stuff and they just act like it aint happening or that the sport is so tough that it is required.

It’s a joke.

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

MLB ignored it for too long

and their game is tied more into records than football

by bhsportsguy on Aug 30, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right

Nobody remembers the points scored by Kareem (okay, I do: 38,387), or the number of rushing yards by Emmitt Smith, Jim Brown, Walter Payton, or Barry Sanders.

by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's just men

using drugs and the league not giving a fuck about them when they aren’t playing anymore.

But more people watch SNFB than any other show on Sunday’s!!!!!!

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except when they do. The reason why people remember baseball records because its only in the triple digits, so its easier to remember.

To say that MLB ignored it is ridiculous considering that it took the NFL two decades to address it, and have lesser penalties for it.

by Tripon on Aug 30, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Roids in football lead to more dudes getting messed up, which is why 90% of people watch football. They should probably just switch to MMA, but they probably give up due to homophobia.

by regfairfield on Aug 30, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeesh. Not much stereotyping going on in that comment.

by Michael White on Aug 30, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well there is the “reason to get drunk at 9:00 AM” crowd.

Do you doubt that there’s a huge amount of people who watch football just to watch hits?

by regfairfield on Aug 30, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like football for a lot more than tackles.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Aug 30, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s great, but there’s lots of people, hell me included, that couldn’t name more than one defensive player per team and enjoy watching dudes get mashed. This really shouldn’t be a controversial statement.

by regfairfield on Aug 30, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say betting and now fantasy

are big reasons why it’s the No. 1 sport in the US, and will stay such

That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.

by Pure Azure on Aug 30, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can play fantasy baseball and bet on it too.

by regfairfield on Aug 30, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

but only 16 games a season, then a few playoff games

makes each one an event. It’s really just more in line with American mainstream values and culture.

That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.

by Pure Azure on Aug 30, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just want the divorce to end

I don’t care who wins, I don’t care who gets what. I just want the Dodgers to have an owner that can spend some money on Baseball.

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 3:42 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I think it is fair to say

that the Dodgers have spent money on their baseball team in the last 6 years.
Now has that been the McCourts’ money or from somewhere else, that remains to be seen.

by bhsportsguy on Aug 30, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I needed to be clearer

than I was earlier.

I want them to be able to spend, without using a divorce as a reason not to spend. I know wer have spent in the past, I just want them to be able to in the future.

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remain in the minority on this one

but really, until this waiver deai for Manny, I don’t think the divorce played into how the team spent money in 2010.

by bhsportsguy on Aug 30, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve got your back on this one.

by Michael White on Aug 30, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

You think the waiver deal WAS influenced by the divorce?

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Aug 30, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, probably not the divorce

just the general idea to save a few bucks.

by bhsportsguy on Aug 30, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Taking the payroll down by millions in the last few years I guess isn’t directly related to the divorce, but it comes off that way now.

Was our payroll not 30M higher 2 or 3 years ago or am I way off?

I really don’t know.

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have they used the divorce as a reason not to spend?

by Michael White on Aug 30, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

They would never admit to that publically. But enough stuff has happened for us to infer that is the case. The divorce is such a downer. I like uppers, not downers.

by DodgerSF on Aug 30, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

although

it could just be the general cheapness of McCourts and their extractions of money from the Team for personal use, rather the Divorce. But the Divorce just adds insult to injury.

by DodgerSF on Aug 30, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

That the fate of the Dodgers rests in a Divorce proceeding

of an owner who was in over his head in the first place. Par for the course this season I guess.

Bow down, when you're Westwood bound.

by S Jay Bruin on Aug 30, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dylan Hernandez dylanohernandez
  
RT @ussoccer U.S. Soccer has agreed to a contract extension with #USMNT head coach Bob Bradley through the end of 2014.

by Tripon on Aug 30, 2010 3:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Aston VIlla fans on here?

If so, what is your reaction?

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t take David Moyes. I just became an Everton fan!

by Bob Timmermann on Aug 30, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't feel either way about Everton

but David Moyes is great.

I absolutlely think he is one of the best managers in the business.

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh

Don’t dislike him, don’t know if he’s The One. But choices are limited. Might as well have consistency.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Aug 30, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Phillies lineup

per Matt Gelb:

Rollins SS
Utley 2B
Polanco 3B
Howard 1B
Werth RF
Ibanez LF
Victorino CF
Ruiz C
Halladay P

by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 3:45 PM PDT reply actions  

What a bunch of scrubs

we got this

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Aug 30, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I wonder if Manny will talk to the Chicago media.

by Alex41592 on Aug 30, 2010 3:48 PM PDT reply actions  

question is, will the reporters have enough space on their recorders for Manny after Ozzie Guillen is done?

by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Manny Ramirez old locker now says “2010 Dodgers” on the nameplate… It’s empty… Rod Barajas has a locker 2 slots over.

http://twitter.com/benmaller

by Alex41592 on Aug 30, 2010 3:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Vicente Padilla will start a rehab assignment tonight for Inland Empire

by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 3:54 PM PDT reply actions  

my own personal benchmarks for the homestand

Which I will stick to…this time, I really mean it. No, really:

5-1 or better: Dodgers legitimitely back in this thing!
4-2: Dodgers continue to be on the outer fringe, in their ongoing season long joke, just to mess with us.
3-3 or worse: It’s over. Seriously this time. Nothing to see here. Move on already…

by sarcastro9 on Aug 30, 2010 4:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

Although I kind of feel even if they go 5-1, if they don’t sweep the Phillies its not good enough.

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Aug 30, 2010 4:11 PM PDT reply actions  

OT

USC opens on the road at Hawaii.

They are -21. That seems a little low for me.

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 4:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I’m okay with the line. New coach, shitty year last year (9-4 with wins over UCLA, Notre Dame, Ohio St and a bowl win is shitty; is my perspective out of whack or what?), first game, tough to travel to Hawaii.

by KellyStephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

You had me right up until

tough to travel to Hawaii.

I would suspect that there is no other team in Football more ready to travel to Hawaii. It’s not that long of a flight. (They are in SC not Iowa) They are used to the distractions more than others.

You know more about them than I do. I am thinking like 47-17.

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, you may have a point. I forgot to add the Bates factor; meaning their old OC is in Seattle w/Pete so that’s good for 20+ extra points a game right there.

by KellyStephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man, this is going to be a late week for you. Big games, SC on Thursday. The only saviour is a day game Wednesday.

by KellyStephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

The fridge is fully stocked

Late games aren’t so bad for me. Everyone’s in bed and I can watch the games in peace.

by Greg Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is awesoke

I get home late from work and everyone is asleep. I get to do whatever I want. And I want to watch sports.

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

They just wait

for the shot to kill you on here!

I love it!

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm ok with the line too

I’m tending to be pessimistic about this season.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Aug 30, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh, and I bumped into Mike Garrett

in my local Von’s this weekend. That was weird.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Aug 30, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

He looked very at ease

Golden Parachutes do that.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Aug 30, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't know

mine have always been lined with lead

by Greg Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want to reach a certain level in business

where someone pays me a lot of money to go away

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Aug 30, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mean like Antonio Bryant

$8,000,000 to not play for the Bengals.
Nice work if you can get it.

by Greg Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

You should have said, “Hey, is that TJ Simers over there?”

by KellyStephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rivalries

I know I’m late on this one after just scanning thru the last thread, but my perspective is different on who I root against more. I grew up in Philly and rooted for them for only a few years, after I started liking sports, before moving out West. So after 08, I was just happy finally winning a playoff series and didn’t even watch the WS, but was kinda happy Philly won. Then last year I was so hating the Phils for beating us AGAIN that I even hoped the Yanks would beat them (especially to my Philly-rooting family) before the series, but when push came to shove I just could not root for NY.

So that cemented it once and for all, I root against the Yanks above all. I dislike them so much, I just resent NY teams so much in general after growing up in Philly. I admire the rivalry with the Giants, but I kind of have to manufacture the disdain of them, and I like the Bay Area way more than LA, just as cities, to make it more ambiguous.

That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.

by Pure Azure on Aug 30, 2010 4:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I follow your rule number

rooting against the Yankee’s trumps all other scenarios. Not sure what I’d do if the Giants played the Yankee’s because I so enjoy the fact the Giants haven’t won a WS since Willie Mays came back from the War.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

My head would asplode

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Aug 30, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

let’s not think about that scenario. I don’t think my brain can handle it right now.

by DodgerSF on Aug 30, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

MLB Network just showed the Dodger Dugout, and Torre meeting with the media. Holy shit is that a crowded dugout, much more than usual.

by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:26 PM PDT reply actions  

“I just told you guys, Manny’s not fucking here! So get the hell out of here! No, I do not know why the fuck I didn’t start him the past three nights. Now just get the fuck away!”

by KellyStephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably

Extolling the vertues of Bigalow Green Tea.

by Grimjack on Aug 30, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Usually Hawaiian shirt days are reserved for a Friday….

Lot of meat in there

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

That looks like more than the Yankees first game. Unreal.

by Alex41592 on Aug 30, 2010 4:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I thought he was flavoring her water bottle.

by KellyStephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Technically, it was the hallway, not inside the office.

by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well then

She should be paying attention when she gets out there.

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I heard it was so big

it was both the office and the hallway. Isn’t that how the Stephen boys roll?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s how we tell people we roll

by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s what I meant.

by KellyStephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

BTW

Josh Rawitch is on the far right, in glasses, in the white shirt. Dylan Hernandez is the dark shirt, black hair with the beard on the right (way back of scrum; front of picture).

Jim Alexander has the orange striped shirt in the front of the pic.

Simers is next to Torre

by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I always wanted to take the Simers seat

just to see what would happen.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s usually either Ken Levine, or the big AP dude (Joe Resnick, I think) on either side of Torre

by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jim Peltz is in the red shirt, in between Hawaiian shirts if you will.

Lotta Times people there today, including Dilbeck. I wonder if Plaschke is there too.

by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

smokes like a Chimney

and I’ve always wondered how he’s a sports beat reporter now. He was on the business desk when I got here

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Aug 30, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Peltz or Dilbeck?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Peltz

I’m typing challenged today

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Aug 30, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mattingly on MLB Network right now.

by Alex41592 on Aug 30, 2010 4:33 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Is he asking them to clarify if it’s 2 or 3 trips to the mound per inning he’s allowed?

by KellyStephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm still irritated that Manny is not a Ray

it would have made for a more resounding post season story because the White Sox are not going to the post season.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 4:38 PM PDT reply actions  

That would have been great if the White Sox didn’t claim him but the Red Sox got wind of Tampa Bay and then put a blocking claim in.

by KellyStephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I blame the Rays

they should have tried harder to get him before the fake deadline. Their offense needs help.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Finally some truth

Torre: “Manny told us Friday he felt he would be better off in the American League.”

twitter.com/benmaller

by Alex41592 on Aug 30, 2010 4:40 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Torre: “Had planned to play Manny four days a week because of his legs. He felt it was better to DH in the American League.”

by Alex41592 on Aug 30, 2010 4:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I call bullshit. Was he going to play him 4 straight days and then sit him 3 straight? Wouldn’t it be smarter to sit/play/sit/play/etc?

by KellyStephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can I just remind everyone

that Torre is a shitty manager and I’ll be so happy to see him gone next year?

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Aug 30, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

“And since we are in the National League I thought he meant he didn’t want to play and so I didn’t start him. Who knew?”

by KellyStephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

makes sense

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

People are going to rip manny for this

why? Because they are fucking morons and they can all die in a fucking fire.

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Aug 30, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You didn’t go far enough here.

by Alex41592 on Aug 30, 2010 4:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I've got most of my grouch out last night and this morning

I’m too tired and confused from work to really work up proper indignation

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Aug 30, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Manny said that he felt he would be better in the American League

Torre must be crazy. That doesn’t mean that he doesn’t want to play or won’t play. That means if he gets dealt to an AL team, he’d be happy.

Not Manny’s deal, this shit is still a Torre deal IMO

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Correct

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Aug 30, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I haven't yet heard the audio

but the second quote by Torre leads me to believe that Manny in fact said he would rather not play. Like they went to Manny with a plan, and Manny said it’s probably best for me to go to the AL. So Torre just sat him through the weekend.

Again, I’ll wait for the full audio though. The one weird thing is if Torre is protecting his players all weekend, by absorbing the heat, what makes it OK for him to spill the beans now? Just because he’s off the team? If a patient leaves a doctor, that doesn’t mean the doctor should then open his medical records for everyone.

by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe he expected Manny to do the right thing

and say he’s not in the lineup because he’s ready to DH, and once he left, he said, screw it why should I take the heat for this.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Certainly possible.

Perhaps Torre should have saved it for his next book :)

by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably because medical records are a little more private than the reason why Manny is not playing baseball. :)

by Xeifrank on Aug 30, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well yeah :)

I went a tad extreme on the example.

by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get that

I just felt like that is a cop out for the reason he didn’t play him. I would have a hard time believing that if Torre talked

to Manny and said You can help us win while you’re here. That Manny would’ve said, I’d rather not.

But he might have….

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great Articles and debunking common knowledge

The Kemp article was truly an eye opener. But I also suggest everyone read today’s ‘Mike Sciosca’s Tragic Illness’ blog, which should put to rest that Manny was terrible once he was off the juice.

by David in Florida on Aug 30, 2010 4:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Helps when you mention

a story you’d like everyone to read if you post the link. This is a lazy bunch and most of them couldn’t find the left sidebar if it bit them in the ass.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

There’s a left sidebar?

by KellyStephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Quit fuckin talkin about me in front of me, Phil

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or at least spell so he doesn’t figure it out.

by KellyStephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not so thin:)

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm assuming the one

mentioned in this here post on this here blog. Unless you where reffering to the latter, in which case I agree, and will go ahead and be unoriginal and agree that we are in fact that lazy.

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Aug 30, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be complaining for a link

if I hadn’t already read the damn thing!

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amazing how many conclusions can be reached

from a mere twitter.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 4:52 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm in the mood to hate on Torre

why you gotta try to harsh my buzz

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Aug 30, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did anyone else

just watch Jim Hill’s cut of the Torre presser? I assume that’s what’s on MLBTV

by Josie Becker on Aug 30, 2010 4:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Most of us are "working"

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

y'know what

this is my first comment all day, after spending the entirety of my time today getting orientated with the Loyola campus so you can stuff it, k : p

by Josie Becker on Aug 30, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

The thin skin does not look good on you

I was mocking our “working” not the fact you don’t have job and sleep in all day.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good thing you didn’t mock that…

by Michael White on Aug 30, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah Josie. I’m at work right now. I don’t have time for that shit.

and we don’t have a TV here. Or I would be watching it.

:)

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just got done

with a 1.5 hour bus ride, saw folk talking about the presser. Excuuuusuuuuuuuuuuuuse me

by Josie Becker on Aug 30, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would say something really smart that everyone would probably take as funny…..

But I won’t. I hope your day improves Josie. It is a better, happier board with you on it.

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jeez, get a room, you two! :)

by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

sorry

hot, tired, cranky, sorry. I’m gonna take a break and come back for the game thread.

by Josie Becker on Aug 30, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would say something really smart that everyone would probably take as funny…..

either would be a first. See how thin that line can get:)

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jeez

you make 1 old guy joke and Phil is like a pit bull……

I take it back.

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aren’t you old?

Okay, we’ll start leaving you alone.

by Michael White on Aug 30, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am older than you are

Michael, I don’t believe I would be classified as old to most.

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've always thought Arkansas was named by Pirates

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope. Named after Indians.

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did the Kansas Indians like brevity

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting. Here in Los Angeles we have a tribe called the Chumash, and the casino is also called the Chumash Casino because unlike the Arkansas Indians they use the same name as their tribe.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I play golf

at a course that used to be named Quapaw Golf Links…..

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Malibu to Paso Robles.

by Xeifrank on Aug 30, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Real-estate was too expensive in LA for them back then.

by Xeifrank on Aug 30, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I heard Ar - Kansas was going to skip the whole TV era

and jump right into telepathic distribution.

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by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

We were

but all of the old people keep leaving for Florida and California, Sir.

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

MLB Network just had “ballpark cam” showing the dugout, then a separate interview with Don Mattingly.

by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

nothing really newsworthy

but Torre got asked point blank if Manny quit on the team, and he did a classic “I’m not going to get into that” dismissal. Said Manny just felt he’d be better off in the American League, that he was frustrated being on the DL so much

by Josie Becker on Aug 30, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers lineup

Podsednik LF
Theriot 2B
Ethier RF
Kemp CF
Loney 1B
Blake 3B
Carroll SS
Barajas C
Kuroda P

by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 4:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Halladay was just tweeted Kensai's info

and they have changed the game plan from sliders outside to hard fastballs.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

As far as our lineups go

I like this one the best. With the players that are available.

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I miss Gibbons

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by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is the greatest Dodger ever.

I like him off the bench too. I’d just assume we start this way and still have his bat PH late.

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know when I look at this lineup the first thing I think of is

Energy.

by Alex41592 on Aug 30, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look at these baddass mofos

Phillies don’t have a chance.

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Aug 30, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

First day of school

Instructor asks us to stand up and introduce ourselves and say what our favorite news sites are. Dude next to me says Fangraphs is his favorite site.

Interesting

by Julio Nievas on Aug 30, 2010 5:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Awesoke

and what did you say Mr. Nievas?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

that is why I hurt you.

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by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just trying to keep it interesting.

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Talky group, or a class of 200?

I haven’t been in school for a while but I dont’ remember introductions lasting beyond the first day.

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by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he’s still in the class

by Michael White on Aug 30, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s great, did the instructor know what it was? Did anyone besides you?

by Xeifrank on Aug 30, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

4 people in your class

need to sleep with the fishes.

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Aug 30, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

You must mock them

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but those are the guys that always get the hot chicks.

by Xeifrank on Aug 30, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hot chicks?

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Aug 30, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Those are the girls you want to party with. Pepper em with praises of Peter Gammons.

by Xeifrank on Aug 30, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

bile

rising

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Aug 30, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

hawking on the girls is a

definite ice breaker but probably not recommended behavior. After all, this isn’t Quapaw.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Julio's already doing okay

he’s doesn’t need any help here.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you ask if he want’s to be your best friend?

by Michael White on Aug 30, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, but he is a Dodger fan.

Look out TBLA, new member alert.

by Julio Nievas on Aug 30, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he really is on-line savvy and reads fangraphs

and is a Dodger fan who has not visited TBLA then Eric needs to step us his marketing efforts.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bring Phil to school for show and tell

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Aug 30, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is important

for the masses to know that anyone can succeed.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

He said Phil, not Eric! :)

by Xeifrank on Aug 30, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

The first sight of Joan on Mad Men last night was a showstopper

by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 5:13 PM PDT reply actions  

So you’ll remember the night when you first saw that sight?

by Bob Timmermann on Aug 30, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heartstopper?

I heard three men died happy last night

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Halfway done with our draft. My team is a fricken beast. :)

by silverwidow on Aug 30, 2010 5:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Im proud of you

Mine ended up okay at best.

Im disapponted

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a show off

QB: Joe Flacco
RB1: MJD
RB2: Jonathan Stewart
RB3: Marion Barber
WR1: Randy Moss
WR2: Roddy White
WR3: Pierre Garcon
TE: Brent Celek

by silverwidow on Aug 30, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it a 4 man league or are you playing with 5th graders?

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe the rest of the league was busy picking scabs.

by Xeifrank on Aug 30, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, Ryan Grant was picked in the FIRST round. That was dumb.

by silverwidow on Aug 30, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

5th graders. At least you’ll win!

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is some gold (or green) in this thread

by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stop beating around the bush and tell me what you think of Flacco….

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is this meant to set an example to the rest of this site?

:-P Or just mimicking the usual Yahoo! Sports commenter?

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by underdog on Aug 30, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Marion Barber?

hah Dallas’s O line is dog shit right now

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Aug 30, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s my 3rd back. Not exactly a focal point.

by silverwidow on Aug 30, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

MJD sounds like a beer

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty stoked with my team

tho with my luck half these guys will be hurt by week 2. And it’s a 12 team league. A few guys were on auto draft and they regret it but otherwise it’s pretty competitive. (Right mintxcore?)
1. (2) Adrian Peterson
2. (23) Greg Jennings
3. (26) Pierre Thomas
4. (47) Tony Gonzalez
5. (50) Kevin Kolb
6. (71) Johnny Knox
7. (74) Pierre Garcon
8. (95) Kyle Orton
9. (98) Donald Brown
10. (119) Bernard Berrian
11. (122) Mason Crosby
12. (143) Jacoby Jones
13. (146) Tennessee
14. (167) Leon Washington
15. (170) Roy Williams
16. (191) Josh Freeman
17. (194) Tony Scheffler
18. (215) Correll Buckhalter
19. (218) Nate Washington

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Aug 30, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

My starters:

Carson Palmer
Donald Brown
Buckhalter, Correll
Amendola, Danny
Ochocinco, Chad

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Aug 30, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mine are

Tony Romo
Michael Turner
Rashard Mendenhall
Michael Crabtree
Percy Harvin
Zach Miller
Rod Bironas
Bears D {pukes}

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

your league only has 5 positions?

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Aug 30, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well Kris Brown is my kicker

but who cares about the kicker? Heh, no this is actually a team that is drafted with the goal of being mediocre.

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Aug 30, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

man, i THINK it's competitive...

i have never done fantasy football before and um, havent paid much attention the last few years. i basically drafted based on: jets, cool names (calvin johnson from halo benders? shonn greene, ex dodger?), and um, maybe that’s it….

i also picked last hahaha. do i have a “retarded fag” team?

1. (12) Shonn Greene
2. (13) Calvin Johnson
3. (36) Antonio Gates
4. (37) New York
5. (60) Percy Harvin
6. (61) Jay Cutler
7. (84) T.J. Houshmandzadeh
8. (85) Reggie Bush
9. (108) Vince Young
10. (109) Sebastian Janikowski
11. (132) Steve Slaton
12. (133) Tim Hightower
13. (156) Jerricho Cotchery
14. (157) Dexter McCluster
15. (180) Matt Moore
16. (181) Larry Johnson
17. (204) Dan Carpenter
18. (205) Arizona
19. (228) Benjamin Watson

by mintxcore on Aug 30, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yours should be a competitive team I should think

Of course… who the hell knows! Too bad the league gives negative points for interceptions. Cutler might get on your nerves at times. ;-) I waited for “sleeper QBs” and focused on other areas once the few top flight QBs were gone.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Aug 30, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

says the broncos fan who almost drafted tebow!!! ;D

i also was gonna look for sleeper QB’s but then i realized I didn’t know who is a sleeper and who isn’t.. for any position hahaha it was a bit of shooting in the dark but hopefully this iwll be a good introduction for me for years to come :D

plus, the dodgers getting knocked out of playoff hopes early gives me more time haha

by mintxcore on Aug 30, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn't seriously considering him !

Not unless it’s a keeper league with extra space or if it’s 2012. ;-)

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Aug 30, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn't this counter what we were lead to believe earlier?
@benmaller: Ned Colletti "we tried to get a prospect for Manny. Offered to pay $1.5 mil of his salary. White Sox declined.’

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Aug 30, 2010 5:24 PM PDT reply actions  

makes more sense

the White Sox have been moving prospects and are quite thin.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ned quotes

Ned Colletti: “Told Manny about the trade to the White Sox at 11am this morning. He thanked me.”

Ned Colletti: “If Manny could still play the field everyday, we wouldn’t have moved him.”

Ned Colletti: “The Manny Ramirez era had a lot of highs, he taught our guys how to win.”

http://twitter.com/benmaller

by Alex41592 on Aug 30, 2010 5:25 PM PDT reply actions  

You teach a person how to win, they will starve. You teach a person how to hit and they will feed their families forever.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Aug 30, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Does anyone want to try and startup a fantasy football league?

by vadodger on Aug 30, 2010 5:27 PM PDT reply actions  

I want

to start a fantasy primetime television league : ) Who’s with me?

by Josie Becker on Aug 30, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Phil Gurnee for sure

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

and we’re gonna saddle you with One Ordinary Family as your #1 pick : p

by Josie Becker on Aug 30, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

He may take the “saddle” at any price!

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm approaching it at different angles

trying to figure out why saddle is in quotes. I’ve turned myself into Picasso and I still can’t figure it out. Help me Keith, you’re my only hope : )

Three pop culture references in one post!

by Josie Becker on Aug 30, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

“Everybody says he’s getting old or he’s losing it,” said the 33-year-old Jones. “There are things you have to work on and try to get yourself more consistent. Hopefully when you get the opportunity to play, you can get back on that roll. But I’m looking for another five years, and if I play consistently, I should be where I want to be.”

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/andruw-jones-looking-to-play-five-more-years.php

by Tripon on Aug 30, 2010 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

5 more years….wow

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

only one more year than the Dodgers are paying him

by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Off to the Valley of Death! I will see if the concession people have made Manny a non-person, back like they did in the days of the Soviet Union.

by Bob Timmermann on Aug 30, 2010 5:44 PM PDT reply actions  

But I have a bobbleheade

by Bob Timmermann on Aug 30, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is Lastings Milledge

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I used Ebay

to turn Manny into Andre and Broxton earlier this year. Best decision I made that day.

by Josie Becker on Aug 30, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Changed to Manny Mota

by Eric Stephen on Aug 30, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Breaking News

Henry Rodriguez throws really hard

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 6:14 PM PDT reply actions  

That's awesoke

I thought the stat of the day was:

Stan Musial had 3,630 career hits. 1815 at home and 1815 on the road.

by keithc13 on Aug 30, 2010 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why do we need

Scotty Pods opinion on Manny? 6 is not a few games. Your cliches are failing you poddy

by Josie Becker on Aug 30, 2010 6:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Regarding Kemp

I have always felt that Matt Kemp is one of those players that has so much potential but will never quite live up to it. When both of their careers are done I think you will see a lot more consistency out of Andre Ethier than Matt Kemp. Not to say Ethier will be HOF material or anything like that, just that he’ll be more consistently good.
Not that they had much of a choice, but if they hadn’t rushed Ethier back from his finger injury I think we would have done a lot better this year. Of course had he been on the DL longer it’s likely he wouldn’t have made the All-Star team either, even though his selection was mostly based on his pre-injury success.

by EthierIsBetterThanKemp on Aug 31, 2010 2:17 PM PDT reply actions  

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