Larry Jaster - Dodger Killer
by Phil Gurnee on Aug 31, 2010 9:35 AM PDT
in Dodgers History & Records
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PrintThe Dodgers won the pennant in 1966 in spite of Larry Jaster. I have no idea if any pitcher has ever enjoyed the kind of dominance Jaster did over the Dodgers in 1966. While the NL Champion Dodgers had trouble scoring runs, this was a team that still went to the World Series in 1966.
Pretty good bet that only a handful of TBLA readers have ever heard of Larry Jaster, so let me give you a quick recap about how this rookie almost kept the Dodgers from being embarrassed in October. Jaster made his debut in 1965 against the Dodgers and threw one shutout inning. It was a harbinger of things to come. Alan Schwarz of ESPN picked Larry Jasters 1965 Sept debut of one of the top 10 debuts in baseball history
All Jaster did after debuting against the Dodgers for that one inning was:
A hard-throwing bonus baby known as "the Creeper" because he was so quiet, Jaster made a plenty loud debut in September 1965. He went 3-0, 1.61 in four appearances, completing all three of his starts.
That was nothing compared to what he did against the Dodgers in 1966.
April 25th, 1966, defeats the Dodgers 2 - 0, complete game shutout, seven hits, no walks, 7 K's.
July 3rd, 1966, defeats Dodgers again 2 - 0, complete game shutout, three hits, one walk, 5 K's
July 29th, 1966, defeats Dodgers 4 - 0, complete game shutout, five hits, two walks, 8 K's
Aug 19, 1966, defeat Dodgers again 4 - 0 , complete game shutout, five hits, three walks, 7 K's
Sept 28th, 1966 defeats Dodgers 2 - 0 , complete game shutout, four hits, two walks, 4 K's
The shutout on the 28th was notable in that it almost knocked the Dodgers out of the World Series but they won two of their last four games to win the pennant by 1 1/2 games.
Jaster would only throw these five shutouts in 1966, he only made 21 starts, and five of those starts were shutouts against the Dodgers. Even with all that he would not be the ROY in 1966. Maybe the writers knew something. The 22 year old would only throw two more shutouts the rest of his career even though he pitched during the pitcher friendly 1967/1968 years. He was pretty much done by 1969 but for one year he did everything he could to keep the Dodgers out of the 66 World Series.
I guess it does need to be mentioned that the 1966 Dodgers were shut out 17 times.
Still 45 scoreless innings against one team that went to the World Series was quite a feat, and I don't think anyone has ever done that before or since but I'd love to know if that is true or not.
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Trivia fact
Laster later went into Witness Protection, and fathered two sons while living as “Larry Ruiz” and “Larry Stairs.”
"There’s no reason I can give you that makes sense. A lot of what I do is a feel thing."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Aug 31, 2010 9:45 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Wow
Amazing stuff, Phil. I had never heard of him.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 31, 2010 9:50 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I thought I had written about him before
but when I looked for a story I couldnt’ find one so I figured now would be as good as time as any. Now I have a reference for my Sept 1st story:)
I feel better now; I had never heard of him either. Of course I was only 5 in ’66.
I wonder if the uncles remember him. I’ll send them a link to this.
by KellyStephen on Aug 31, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Funny
both of my parents were 5 in 1966 too!
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
Can't believe I'm older then Kelly
must have been the strain of raising beautiful girls.
by meercatjohn on Aug 31, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Chatsworth Star Mike Moustakas goes crazy
Mike Moustakas (3B) KC – AAA 8/31/2010
Moustakas had a whopping 11 RBI in one game for Triple-A Omaha on Monday night, going 4-for-6 with three homers. This came on a day when he was named the Double-A Texas league player of the year. Between Double-A and Triple-A so far this year, Moustakas is hitting .326/.374/.637 with 34 homers. His batting eye could be improved a little, but it’s been a wonderful year for him.
per rotowire.com
Moustakas and Lucas May will make a heck of a one-two punch next year.
by Michael White on Aug 31, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
will myers is the truth.
dude’s a beast with the bat. Royals look to have a sick offensive core soon with butler, myers, moose, hosmer.
too bad gordon busted.
May or Moustakas? I’ll be very disappointed if you’ve never heard of May.
A lot of us know Moustakas because in addition to being a top draft pick, he is out of Chatsworth High School.
by Michael White on Aug 31, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I've known about him for a few years
Mostly started hearing about him when he got drafted, hearing that he was going to be a killer bat and I think he was a SS then too.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Too big?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
He's gonna be first in line for Sep callups
I wonder how Dominguez is doing with Florida right now.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Glove still being compared to Zimmerman
but his bat his holding him back.
by meercatjohn on Aug 31, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Moustakas' last 5 games:
23 AB, 11 H, 5 2B, 6 HR, 1 SO, 1 BB
He doesn’t walk enough.
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
Yeah, he’ll never have a future slugging .637 in a season between AA and AAA because he doesn’t walk enough.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Was making fun of everyone who picks out one small stat and says how that’ll be the thing that keeps him from being good.
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
it will keep him from being elite...
and as the #1 overall pick in a mlb draft, that’s dissapointing.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?query_type=overall_pick&overall_pick=1&draft_type=junreg&
Maybe disappointing, but should not be unexpected.
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
I remember him
Sadly I am old enough remember him. I really started following the Dodgers in 66. I believe after St. Louis he went to Philadelphia. I think in one of the shutouts he hit a HR as well.
He played on two pennant (and one World Series winning) Cardinal teams
then he was drafted by the Expos in 1969 and finally traded to Atlanta, being done after the 1972 season
Bob Gibson, Jaster's HOF teammate
in 1966, Gibson started four games against the Dodgers and lost all 4. He was 21-8 against the rest of the league.
Jaster got player of the week
in the August 29, 1966 Sports Illustrated:
How careless can a guy get? St. Louis’ 22-year-old rookie left-hander, Larry Jaster, tipped off all his pitches when he faced Los Angeles last week, yet emerged with a 4-0 victory—his fourth straight shutout over the Dodgers. In trying to explain his success against the world champions, Jaster says, “With the Dodgers not having a home run hitter, I’m not so careful with them. It’s when I get careful that I have trouble.”
Calling them out! :)
That was after shutout #4
and SI had this note:
The modern record for consecutive shutouts by one pitcher against one team in a single season is five, set by Grover Cleveland Alexander of the Philadelphia Phillies against the Reds in 1916.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 31, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Most shutouts against the Dodgers in one season
http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/DPFH5
Jaster 5
Mort Cooper, 3 (1942 Cards)
Sal Maglie, 3 (1952 Giants)
Mike McCormick, 3 (1960 Giants)
The 1942 Dodgers won 104 games, the most ever for a non-playoff team, losing to Cooper’s Cardinals by two games.
Baseball-Reference has gamelogs for years dating back to 1920
Did you read through them all to get this list?
by KellyStephen on Aug 31, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I only have back the 1963 memorized so far :)
by Eric Stephen on Aug 31, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
All that
and you never mention what team he played for.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
St. Louis?
Some key information missing in the lead.
I guess I expected
the readers to click on anyone of the six links that were provided:)
by meercatjohn on Aug 31, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Bill Plaschke to Sox Blanco, Caveat Emptor
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-plaschke-manny-ramirez-20100831,0,936049.column
To give you a taste of his A,B,A,B scheme du jour:
I’d love to gloat about calling Manny a dead fish long before this happened.
But I’m having difficultly navigating the LATimes archives.
I would love to say that Manny was made of puppy dog tails and crushed up snails with a knee of peppermint bark.
But he’s like really tall so all that, j/k just playing
How do you say goodbye to your only source of material? Who will I bash on now, oh the McCourts, okay, all is still right with the world.
*reposted post mortem
by Josie Becker on Aug 31, 2010 10:56 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
It’s the Goofus vs. Gallant Dialectic.
Plaschke gave up on Manny after the suspension. He went from hero to archvillain with that. It’s pretty much the only way Plaschke can write a column.
He is not exactly the most open-minded person in the world. But, I think he hates Lindsey Jacobellis more than Manny.
by Bob Timmermann on Aug 31, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
People think Carl Crawford will get about 5-6 years for about 83-100 million on Fangraphs
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/contract-crowdsource-results-carl-crawford/
I still think he will get at least 100 mill
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Billingsley is learning how to be a pitcher?
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
It would be funny if Manny was given to the White Sox and they didn't start him either.
Oh wait. That’s happening.
Manny will not start tonight for the White Sox.
Joe Cowley says
that might change:
With Manny landing at 3, Guillen will talk to him about to play or not to play. Oz sounded like he was against it yesterday, but we’ll see.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 31, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
White Sox and Indians posted their lineups ridiculously early. As of now Manny is not in it. Well definitely not the Indians one.
I saw that
that is among the earliest times I have ever seen a lineup posted.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 31, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
So Colby Rasmus has started once in the last two weeks so Skip Schumaker, Randy Winn and someone named Allen Craig can get their swings in.
Re-sign Joe Torre.
The hospital attendant when Allen Craig was born clearly forgot to type a comma.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 31, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I resent that remark.
I just think he spells his first name goofy. Can you imagine having a first or middle name spelled like that?
by KellyStephen on Aug 31, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
There's something definitely going on behind the curtains on that issue
Sure, Jay is playing great and all, but isn’t a key component to winning is to put the best players on the field? I don’t understand why Rasmus AND Jay be on the field..
by Julio Nievas on Aug 31, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow…that is something I wish I had never seen.
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 31, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
sands
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJeLGJzN5B8
go to 1:08 minute park, and see sands hit a towering homerun in the midwest ASG this year.
Sadly the Cardinals would I’d bet, Rasmus is younger and might have the better potential.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Can we throw in Lambo, Mcdonald, and Wallach too?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
No, because they have already been traded.
by Michael White on Aug 31, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd do the Kemp for Rasmus deal in a heartbeat.
We at least know that Rasmus can stay in center field.
Who am I kidding
who is Bobby Murcer must be the normal response.
by meercatjohn on Aug 31, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I just recommended a biography of Murcer
to a patron (I work as a librarian). Actually an autobiography. He’s a Yankee fan and I was trying to get him away from all of the Dimaggio, Mantle, Ruth bios.
The book is called “Yankee for life” even though he wasn’t.
From what I recall
he was really crushed when he was traded to the Giants. One of those players whose surface stats aren’t impressive but his sabremetric stats show he was one of the best during his time. Park effects hurt him big time as I recall.
by meercatjohn on Aug 31, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
This place is lousy
with librarians all of a sudden :)
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Alert Silverwidow
per Jason Collette of DockoftheRays.com:
2 of Desmond Jennings’ friends are congratulating him on his call-up to the bigs #Rays #facebookstalking
Rays don't need two centerfielders
wonder if they trade BJ for a left fielder or a 1st baseman if they don’t resign Pena? I expected Zobrist to regress but man he sucks right now to the point he’s killing the team.
by meercatjohn on Aug 31, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s got a 2.2 WAR this season, so he’s not doing terrible, I just wonder how much of that is in his fielding and how little of it his hitting.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
His 2nd half is what is terrible
.526 OPS in 150 at bats. Not a misprint.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=zobribe01&year=2010&t=b
by meercatjohn on Aug 31, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh shit...That's freaking awful
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Lets trade them Loney or Pods
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
That's pretty damn good, yeah. Who's doing that?
Is it Rodwood??
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Thanks for not dissing Manny
I want to thank Eric and the other True Bluers for not kicking Manny while he was on his way out. I thought he did a great job here and I think the players are going to miss him. With our starting pitching looking incredible, only 5 games out of th wild card, beating up on the Phils, the Cards and Giants looking like they are making a downturn, I question the trade, but that is old news now.
Remember 1959? The ChiSox picked up a little guy named Ted Kluszuski and he helped them win the pennant. I see Deja Vu all over again.
More like a RFOMGY
Reliever for only one month guy :)
by Eric Stephen on Aug 31, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
More like ROFLMAOUTHINKUSTILLHAVEACHANCEGY
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
Wow, that Balcom-Miller guy looks legit
Bad trade, IMO, for the Rockies.
by Julio Nievas on Aug 31, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
who is that
I cant find the dudes stats on milb or baseball-reference
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Aug 31, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Balcom-Miller, 21, has a 3.31 ERA, 9.7 K/9, and 1.6 BB/9 with three home runs allowed in 108.6 innings for the Rockies’ Low A affiliate. Heading into the season Baseball America ranked him 16th among Rockies prospects, saying he “has the ceiling of a solid middle-of-the-rotation starter.”
He’s a righty who sits in the high 80s who’s dominating leagues he’s too old for with advanced breaking pitches. It’s a lottery ticket at best.
by regfairfield on Aug 31, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
OR a report by KG on how good he is....
Chris Balcom-Miller, RHP, Rockies (Low-A Asheville): 7 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 0 BB, 11 K.
A 2009 fifth-round pick out of a California junior college, Balcom-Miller has quickly gone from a sleeper to one of the better pitching prospects in the Colorado system. Feature outstanding command of a plus fastball to go with a solid slider and changeup, the 21-year-old now has 108 strikeouts in 103 innings while allowing just 78 hits, 18 walks and featuring and excellent ground ball rate. What’s not to like?
some reason I only found him on baseball cube. google is your friend.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Aug 31, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone see Pete Rose rambling on Yahoo!
Old timey guys strike again.
http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/news/21661504;_ylt=AohoEuKHCcG5TCUvYNK7sHY5nYcB#news/21661504
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
fix the link!
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
So was the ball actually juiced?
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
The players were juiced playing in smaller parks, but the ball was the same. His statement that guys don’t care about striking out because they’re trying to hit home runs because “that’s where the money is” is probably accurate too. What I had an issue with is him thinking that because you’re striking out more that you are somehow not as good of a hitter.
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
The weird thing about the title of the interview is that I didn’t really think he was criticizing Howard…I thought he was critiquing the new ball parks.
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 31, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
So, I've gone through Red Dead Redemption
and i’m about halfway thru GTAIV. So, what other PS3 games would people recommend?
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
- Uncharted
- Uncharted 2
- Valkyria Chronicles
- Heavy Rain
- Killzone 2
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I can vouch for Uncharted and Uncharted 2
Have people enjoyed Heavy Rain? I am looking forward to getting that one.
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 31, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Its a fun ride
It was like a super intense and cinematic adventure game
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I love fallout 3 but it can be a little overwhelming if its not something youre into..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Aug 31, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I cant level up after 20. So I quit, I was almost done with the main quest too. Fuckers. Cant wait for New Vegas!
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
Thats the level cap
they upped it in the dlc
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
It’s how the game is designed. It’s not like it was hard, right? (I may not have played on the hardest difficulty)
Yeah
I stopped playing shortly after I hit twenty, just kind of sucked some of the fun out of the game when I wasn’t getting XP anymore. Plus I had already logged a ton of hours anyways.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
That game has a really cool premise, but i watched my friend play and it's soooooo hard looking
Otherwise i think I’d get it.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Its not
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Red Dead Redemption is actually really fun and a great game
How is it noobish, exactly?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
1) I think lvdown was talking about Fallout 3 in his comment about “hard looking” games.
2) I think NotJoeTorre thought lvdown was talking about RDR, and described the gameplay/learning curve as noobish.
Oh yeah, Fall Out 3 is what I was talking about in what he responded to
Red Dead Redemption isn’t a really challenging game, it’s just really fun.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
orange box
is also a great value.. you get 3 games for the price of 1. everyone loves portal (first person puzzler) half life 2 is a little long in the tooth but its a gold standard shooter and you also get team fortress which I never really got into..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Aug 31, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh, I’m not sure Team Fortress 2 is worth it for PS3. Do they even update it? Do people still play it online? That particular game just has to be played on PC. (not saying anything about PC vs console, just TF2 in particular)
they don't
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Especially if you are used to using a mouse and keyboard vs. the game console controller.
Oh, TFC how I miss you
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 31, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
no no no no non nonnononononononononooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Orange Box is awesome on everything but the PS3. Be ware of orange box on ps3
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
When I had a 360
I played that all the time. HL2 episode 2 would freeze all the time tho.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
Did you ever have a PS1?
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
RDR is a sick game. GTAIV is great, but gets repetitive.
Assassins’s Creed 1 and 2 are my 2 favorite games of All-Time, and I would recommend playing 1 before 2, though 2 is way better (just because of advancements with the game).
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 is a great story mode plus insane online mode.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
MW2 multiplayer is inferior in almost every respect to MW1
You can call me a hipster, but it won’t make it any less true
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Its garbage, unless you got the game when it came out. Its so hard playing people who have been online for a year now.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
Not if you play for a weekend and get used to it. I’ve taken to sniping in this game because of all the close combat crap like shotguns (that can actually be sniper rifles), knifing when you don’t even come near them, also you teleport, and noob tubes. I just finished the head shots (500) for the m21, and i’ve already finished the Barrett and Intervention. Now I just need to finish the W2000…man that gun sucks.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I’m not sure why I would, but alrighty, lol.
It’s true that the game play is better in MW1 because there arent any commando assholes, cold blooded jerkoffs, and shotgunning (as many anyway) douche bags, but the graphics are far superior which is a big reason I’d rather play that than MW1.
I can’t wait for Black Ops to come out in November, no commando, it’s during the Cold War, and possibly new zombies!!!
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
the maps are also shit in MW2
compared to MW1
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Afghan is my favorite by far, I flat out dominate on that map.
Other than that though I’m sooooo glad they brought back Overgrown in the map pack, it’s my 2nd favorite map in MW2 by far.
In MW1 I loved Strike, Overgrown, Ambush, and a couple others that were pretty sweet. A couple of the map pack ones were great too.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Oh but the game ever made for the PS3 is Metal Gear Solid 4
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
wow, lots of responses
Sorry, I got pulled into a meeting. Fucking work getting in the way. I’ll read through these now
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Do you like baseball games? I love the Show, and the rosters you can download with prospects are awesome. I am thinking about starting an AL franchise soon.
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 31, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
If you find a cheap copy of 2009, it is excellent too, and they have the updated rosters online. These guys are ex scouts and they develop a ton of prospects. here is the link for the 2010 group
http://www.operationsports.com/forums/scea-sports-mlb-rosters/
by robotmadeofnails on Aug 31, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
1966 NL ROY
1966 NL ROY winner Tom Helms 2b of Cinn .284/.315/.380 OPS .695 with 3 SBs in 7 attempts
Jaster in 151 Innings, 26 g, 21 starts had a 11-5 record with 2-1 K/BB and 1.11 WHIP!
1967 Tom Seaver
1968 Johnny Bench
Tommy Helms
no one called him Tom I don’t think
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
was he like the most awesome defensive player ever or something?
or what was a good OPS back then?
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I’m gonna guess it’s hitting .284 with 49 RBIs.
by regfairfield on Aug 31, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
And 9 home runs! (All these things were near the lead for rookies)
by regfairfield on Aug 31, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Sonny Jackson finished second in the 1966 ROY voting that year and he was a lot worse. Helms was highly regarded before the season started. He was slated to be a shortstop, but the Reds had Cardenas there. So Helms got moved around to third and second base.
Hitting .284 in 1966 was a big deal. Especially if you’re competing with Sonny Jackson and Tito Fuentes.
by Bob Timmermann on Aug 31, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course the highly touted
Helms was traded for one Joe Morgan after Joe had several injured down years. Oops
Well, at least we know who’s playing left field today.
by KellyStephen on Aug 31, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
If only it weren’t for the broken leg, he’d already be in the bigs. Have you heard any updated reports on his range and defense now that he is basically back to full strength?
The MLE has to be inferior to Theriot's production this year
If you are arguing from a cost/benefit angle, I could see that, but his numbers this year don’t project better than Theriot.
That being said, this is only his first year back from injury so I could see him improving considerably next year.
by Michael White on Aug 31, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
not comparing straight production wise
and I’m not really a big fan of MLE (another argument).
But like you said, take into account
1. cost benefit
2. first year back from shitty injury
3. regaining his walk rates of old
you have a very comparable player who will cost considerbly less.
Production wise I dont think it would be close
He looks like a .240/.290/.330 guy, but Ive never been a big fan of Dejesus. . . .Hope he turns it around
by SeanMillerSavior on Aug 31, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
why do u say that?
he’s a career 296/370/379 hitter in the minors.
to compare, Theriot was a career 271/355/337 career hitter in the minors and he went to post up a career 289/351/363 line in the majors so far.
Most MLEs don’t project to be Major League level, yet there’s are MiLB players that successfully make the jump. For every Brandon Wood, there’s a Lorenzo Cain who seems to be playing well.
One thing the MLEs do is severely regress BABIP to abnormal levels that almost no starting player could successfully keep at it.
DeJesus’s MLE BABIP was under .200. I doubt he’d post that next year if he gets a chance to play in the majors.
I have nothing to back this up, so take it for what it's worth, but...
For every Brandon Wood, there’s a Lorenzo Cain who seems to be playing well.
I’d be willing to bet for every Lorenzo Cain there are a couple dozen Brandon Woods.
Pele breathes words of comfort, Seena just hides her eyes
Policeman taps his shades, Is that a chevy 69?
In the "throw the spaghetti against the wall and see what sticks" rumor mill on ESPN
The ESPN rumor mill (password/Subscription needed) has Lynn Henning being quoted on the idea that the Tigers should target Matt Kemp. They play on the “fact” that he has been in the dog house Etc………… http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/features/rumors
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