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25 for 25: Dodgers
I am actually a St. Louis Cardinals fan, but over the past few months I've been working on a roster for each franchise in the National League, composed of players over the last 25 years. The way this works is that I pick one player from each season and I have to fill out an entire roster (2 catchers, 2 infielders at each position, 6 total outfielders, 5 starting pitchers, 4 relievers). I can't take more than one player for each year, I have to take one player each season even in the bad years, and I can't use the same player for multiple positions. If a player played the majority of his games at one position, I can't use that season for another position even if he's played it before. And I used basically minimums of 60 innings or 250 PA's (prorated for strike seasons).
The interesting part with this are the decisions that have to be made, whether it is, "Dang there are some really nice outfielder seasons to choose from, who gets left out?", or, "Does this team even have two decent catchers in a 25-year span?", or, "This guy had so many great years - which one do I choose?" Sometimes a great year gets left out, sometimes a fluke, partial season gets tabbed for the team.
I actually posted the entire NL East and NL West on the SB Nation site Viva El Birdos, as well as a fully researched extended version for the Cardinals from 1910 to 1934 and (eventually) a post just like this at all of the other NL sites. You're welcome to pick apart my choices and make suggestions of your own. I'm looking forward to hearing from everybody.
P.S. After completing the whole process and receiving comments last week, I realized that I should have utilized both BP's WARP1 and B-R's WAR numbers instead of just WARP1 along with Win Shares and OPS+/ERA+. (Fangraphs' WAR numbers only go back to 2002, so that would not have helped.) There were a couple players with differences of 2+ wins, so there might be a couple head-scratchers. My apologies.
C – Mike Piazza (1997), Russell Martin (2008)
1B – Eddie Murray (1990), Eric Karros (1995)
2B – Steve Sax (1986), Jeff Kent (2005)
3B – Tim Wallach (1994), Adrian Beltre (2004)
SS – Greg Gagne (1996), Rafael Furcal (2006)
OF – Pedro Guerrero (1985), Kirk Gibson (1988), Brett Butler (1991), Garry Sheffield (2001), Shawn Green (2002), Matt Kemp (2009)
SP – Bob Welch (1987), Orel Hershiser (1989), Tom Candiotti (1992), Kevin Brown (2000), Brad Penny (2007)
RP – Jim Gott (1993), Scott Radinsky (1998), Jeff Shaw (1999), Eric Gagne (2003)
Notable exceptions: Mike Scioscia (1985), Paul Lo Duca (2001), Orlando Hudson (2009), Todd Zeile (1997), Casey Blake (2009), Jose Offerman (1995), Mike Marshall (1985), Kal Daniels (1990), Raul Mondesi (1997), Manny Ramirez (2008), Fernando Valenzuela (1986), Kevin Gross (1994), Chan Ho Park (2000), Odalis Perez (2002), Hideo Nomo (2003), Derek Lowe (2006), Jay Howell (1989), Takahashi Saito (2007)
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This is a really, really cool idea
I think you made some great selections.
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Thanks
You should try doing something similar to what I did for the 1910-1934 Cardinals. Maybe not go through the full research part (took me over 50 hours to put it together), but looking back at the early days can be highly educational for you and everybody else on the blog.
Personally, I would look at 1935-1959 for your team. You get a peek at the 1930’s Bums (managed by Casey Stengel), then one of the best stretches in club history (18 of 19 seasons, .500 or better). And with all but two years in Brooklyn. (Try to find some pictures while you’re doing it; it really adds to the experience.)
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This is very interesting
How did you begin choosing players? Do you start with outstanding years — the MVP-type seasons that must be represented? Or do you start with the piss-poor seasons, like (for the Dodgers) 1992 and 2005, and choose the best from among the weak choices?
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The big seasons definitely get dibs
But you try to have as many great seasons as possible, so you might need to move an ‘88 Hershiser to make room for Gibson. This is definitely true for players with only 1 or 2 worthy years to talk about. Also, years with two or three great players (or one of the few good years from a specific position) get tricky, like the Astros in 2005 with Clemens, Pettitte and Oswalt.
I try to make room for excellent relievers, but their roster spots often get used to fill in the gap for a bad year (I’m sure Jim Gott wasn’t on anybody’s must have list). The dead seasons definitely stick out and you try to see who you can get by with without sucking down a truly great player to fill the hole.
Players that have multiple good seasons, but no truly outstanding years (think Mark Grace, Ray Lankford) kind of get tossed around and have to make do with only a pretty good season.
More than anything I look for seasons/positions where I’m really limited and spots where there are lots of options or they all kind of blur together in terms of quality.
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I think I might delve into this
at some point this offseason.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 4, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I am a huge fan of Mike Scioscia’s 1985 season (age 26, 77 walks against 21 strikeouts, .407 OBP, second in the NL to Pedro), but can’t argue with his ommission, especially since Pedro Guerrero’s greatest year was recognized.
I suppose you could make a case for:
Mike Scioscia (1985)
Pedro Guerrero (1987)
Chad Billingsley (2008)
instead of…
Russell Martin (2008)
Pedro Guerrero (1985)
Bob Welch (1987)
but it’s quibbling at this point.
This is a fun exercise.
IIRC
Guerrero’s ’85 might have been the biggest by a Dodger outfielder in this era, so I probably latched onto that.
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No question
I imagine there are some tough choices like that, and I appreciate wanting to include the very best of the best seasons.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 4, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn Cardinal fans
make that whole “Best Fans in Baseball” thing really hard to dismiss.
Well done.
Cool beans
wish I’d thought of it. Hard for me to accept that 25 years means most of my years are not represented. Luckily we got the 88 Orel in there.
This would be fun to do in blocks then have the teams play each other using Xeifranks simulator.
2009 – 1985
1984 – 1960
1959 – 1935
1934 – 1910
Stop there
I think the 1960 – 1984 and 1935 – 1959 would easily be the two best teams but it will be fun to fill them using TBLA readers for input. Looks like a great winter project.
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I did this a couple months ago. Most notable thing is that I seriously debated putting Oscar Robles on the team (I settled for Izturis ‘cause I needed a utility guy) , and that there’s way too many years where the Dodgers have no one. That and I honestly wished I could put Jim Gott on the list multiple years
Lineup:
SS Rafael Furcal 06
LF Gary Sheffield 00
C Mike Piazza 96
3B Adrian Beltre 04
1B Eddie Murray 90
RF Shawn Green 01
CF Matt Kemp 09
2B Steve Sax 86
Rotation
SP Kevin Brown 03
SP Orel Hershiser 85
SP Hideo Nomo 95
SP Chad Billingsley 08
SP Tim Belcher 88
Bench
C Mike Scoscia 91
OF Raul Mondesi 97
OF Pedro Guerrero 87
IF Eric Karros 99
IF Cesar Izturis 05
Bullpen
Eric Gagne 02
Takashi Saito 07
Pedro Martinez 93
Alejandro Pena 89
Jim Gott 92
Todd Worrell 94
Scott Radinski 98
For kicks I looked up Billingsley 08…I greatly dislike that his ERA went down 0.17 but his ERA+ took a hit.
Seems odd.
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Having the Beltre 2004 season
really fills out the infield. Not much to work with other then that season from 3rd.
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