Dodgers Drop Another Series To Phillies
by Eric Stephen on Sep 1, 2010 3:23 PM PDT
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Just like their series in Philadelphia last month, the Dodgers took the opener but dropped the last two games. Today's loss to the Phillies was a 5-1 affair, but at least the day baseball kept our minds off the courtroom. Per Molly Knight of ESPN, via Twitter, Frank McCourt was on the stand today, testifying under oath:
Here we go: Frank now testifying when he bought the team the lynchpin of his business plan was to "significantly reduce player compensation."
More from Knight:
Trying to get numbers on planned payroll reduction. I was told by multiple people involved in the deal that $80 million/yr was the target.
It's not as if this is new information, but it is under oath, so it is newsworthy. But enough about that; back to the game...
Clayton Kershaw pitched well racking up 11 strikeouts, but a high pitch count capped his outing at six innings. Kershaw allowed a pair of leadoff home runs, one to Jimmy Rollins in the first inning, and one to Shane Victorino in the second inning, but didn't allow any other runs.
Roy Oswalt was making headlines, taking a no-hitter into the sixth inning, but in reality the Dodgers were threatening against him quite often. Oswalt walked six in his 6 1/3 innings, but the Dodgers couldn't push one across against the hurler.
The Dodger outfield had a tough day. Scott Podsednik, Matt Kemp, and Andre Ethier combined to go 0-for-13 with five strikeouts, but each one had additional mishaps as well. Podsednik and Ethier each took circuitous routes on fly balls that ended up doubles, for Ryan Howard and Chase Utley, respectively. Kemp added to his baserunning misadventures this season by missing second base on a ball hit off the wall in right field by James Loney. Instead of ending up at third base, or perhaps scoring on the play, Kemp had to stay and second, which kept Loney at first, a key play since Casey Blake followed with an inning-ending double play.
Loney's wall ball single in the eighth inning was a few feet away from a home run, which would have tied the game at three. On the day, Loney had a hit and three walks.
Dodger pitchers had 14 strikeouts on the day, second this season only to the 16 they had on July 4 in Arizona.
The Dodgers are off tomorrow, and begin a series Friday night with the Giants. After nearly 52 or so hours away from baseball, Chad Billingsley will face Barry Zito in the opener.
WP - Roy Oswalt (10-13): 6 1/3 IP, 1 hit, 6 walks, 6 strikeouts
LP - Clayton Kershaw (11-9): 6 IP, 5 hits, 2 runs, 2 walks, 11 strikeouts
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Kershaw, once again, is the man
191 Ks in 176.1 innings, one more than Halladay in his 214 innings. In your face!
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
if we can hang our hat on something.....
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 1, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
yay!
on another bright note, doesn’t look like the Cardinals are going to the playoffs either. So, at least there’s that.
Phillies?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Nowhere close to how much I hate the Giants and Cardinals.
I’d wear a Victorino jersey before I’d have anything Cardinals in my house.
That’s where we differ (that’s it???), I actually like the Cardinals.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
You probably wouldn't if you were a Dodger fan
living in Arkansas.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I had no idea people from Arkansas disliked a team from Missouri so much, lol.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Am I making this up
or didn’t the Cardinals, before the Braves moved to Atlanta, market themselves as the team of the South?
….and, more specifically, the team for white baseball fans in the South?
The Omar Moreno of this blog
They did. The AA affiliate of the Angels is here in LR. It was the AA team for the Cardinals for about 50 years.
The part I'm not so sure about is the subtle and/or not-subtle racism in their marketing.
It’s something I think I heard along the way, but I might be making it up. Any insight?
The Omar Moreno of this blog
No insight.
I do remember watching Studio 42 with Bob Costas this year. He was interviewing
Dick Allen. He talked about playing baseball for a summer in LR in the 60’s. He
couldn’t count all of the death threats and crap he had to go through. But I’m not
familiar with racism in their marketing.
Maybe it was a night in LR. I have it recorded. I will get back to you.
I knew he was a Phillie, and later a Cardinal. Maybe he just played there a few
times one year.
I will correct tonight or tomorrow.
i remember him saying
Phillie back then was a pretty racist town.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 1, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Scott Gorgen, rookie Cardinals pitcher
He asked me out earlier this year. I met him while in Newport Beach in Feb. I declined. He was a red-bird.
And i hate the Phillies more.
you need one of those
I only kiss Dodger fans shirts.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 1, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
you haven't seen them?
There are shirts with “I only kiss Dodger fans” printed on them. I see quite a few girls wearing them at Dodger games.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 1, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
You can make it appear smaller
by replacing the “/>” at the end with “width=200>”. You can pick different numbers other than 200 to get a size you like.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Maven, sometimes,
but what I know about html would not overflow a thimble.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I've been working on html for 8 months
and I still don’t know what the hell I’m doing
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
yeah
it’s kinda annoying. VS does that for all their licensed stuff. They had all this Go Bears, Love Pink stuff at Berkeley that no one was having any part of
20 letters plus an "LA" logo
Wonder what it would cost simply to make your own?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I meant just the front
And “Love Blue” on the back would be your own wording.
As long as you make one for yourself and don’t try to sell them, and use a licensed “LA” logo, aren’t you covered under personal expression or something?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
you totally should!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 1, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I meant to collect some photo's of the girls wearing these
they tend to be hot and a good reason for a photo.
I for one
am glad we put distance between the Phillies and Giants, and hopefully we can sweep the Giants this weekend. For you see, the Giants….cannot…make the postseason. McCovers don’t play fair
As long as we screw one of the teams I hate I'm good
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Is
linchpin still preferred over lynchpin. I thought it still was, though both are acceptable. (Talking about the Dodgers is depressing.)
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
My opinion:
Go with “linchpin” but don’t get your knickers in a twist if somebody spells it “lynchpin.”
On the other hand, if anybody misspells “tchotchke,” go medieval on their ass.
The Great Kavula has spoken.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
+1
praise Kavula
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 1, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I can go with "lynchpin"
if I were writing a review of a sequel to, say, Blue Velvet?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Kevin Brown
Hideo Nomo
Chad Billingsley
Chan Ho Park
Brad Penny
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
What’s the longest tenure a pitcher has even had on the team in that span?
Brown
Nomo
Park
Bills
Hell, Gagne’s not a terrible guess.
If you change it to 2001 to 2010 (to date) instead
you get
1 Chad Billingsley 703
2 Derek Lowe 563
3 Odalis Perez 531
4 Eric Gagne 520
5 Jonathan Broxton 489
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
He did strike out 11 today (not sure if you considered that), and he’s got another…5 or 6 starts possibly? At least 5 I’d guess.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
They hate prospects
and are worried they will ruin the clubhouse chemistry
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
This just in
Trayvon Robinson moved a trash can. Kemp got in his face. “That’s MY job,” he screamed.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Sep 1, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ellis will be up Friday, along with “an infielder”
It seems likely the rest will come once ABQ is done
According to Gurnick and Drellich, don't expect Trayvon or Ely
The Dodgers expect pitching help, too — like Albuquerque right-hander Jon Link — but only in the bullpen.
“At this point it doesn’t look like we’re going to bring up a starter,” Torre said.
The team isn’t expected to call up any top prospects.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I don't understand this
We are basically out of it…
Why not let some more guys get the experience of being with the club and get some AB’s
Torre hates
September callups
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 1, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Lindsey
only has PVMLL
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 1, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
should be
PVMiLL
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 1, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Torre is gone anyway
He should stop being such a stubborn jerk-off.
Doubt it is solely his call
I’d imagine DeJon Watson has a say in which minor leaguers get promoted, esp. the ones that will get their first taste of the majors.
Don’t they have to decide whether or not to protect Russell Mitchell on the 40-man this offseason? Seems like they should call him up to get a first-hand look at what he can do in the show.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
could have more
if they move Martin to the 60-day DL
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 1, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
And not overwhelm him
with the majors that he’s not yet ready for? I could see that.
Now, if LA was a contender, he might make a valuable bench guy as a pinch-runner, but……..
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Stated above
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
No more false hope!
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I'm confused
why his goal to reduce payroll has anything to do with the divorce? How was this a relevant question?
And even if that was his stated goal, aren’t his actions much more accountable? He didn’t reduce payroll to $80, he didn’t even come close.
Per the previous leaks that Shaikin had, I thought the $80-ish number was an eventual goal. Don’t remember the years though.
That’s nearly impossible to guess at this point.
by Michael White on Sep 1, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Counting the other 4 starting pitchers? You mean the 25-man roster?
I can’t see the active roster under $95-100m
If it was the eventual goal
then he was going about it in strange manner by signing free agents as Craig mentioned.
Maybe has something to do with his expected business plan, value of the franchise, etc. Who knows. I know that valuation is apparently a major issue.
I have no idea what’s going on in this trial as I don’t do litigation, but aren’t Cali’s rules of evidence pretty liberal as far as what is relevant? Plus it’s a civil trial. Maybe it goes into Frank’s argument of her not wanting to take on undue risk, who knows.
There was a specific motion for this part of the trial
where they ruled no evidence of current valuation of assets.
Simers told Molly Knight that McCourt said that when he took over the team.
@LATimesTJSimers is telling me Frank’s $80 million payroll isn’t news—that he announced it when he came in. I disagree.
I don't remember that either
I wouldn’t trust TJ Simers memory. He needs to cite a source. Plus I can’t imagine any reason why McCourt would “announce” such a thing at the time of the sale.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Oh man I remember rushing home to catch OT in that game
And having my family all come home after the game was over.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Last night when Loney homered
After I saw the ball was landing in the stands, I looked to the basepaths and expected to see both Loney and Kemp trotting home, but Kemp, who ran on the pitch, was headed back to second base. Any one know why?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Lilly, Kuroda, Padilla, Theriot
So glad we held onto all of these guys. They’ll help keep the team above .500 for the rest of the season.
Rotoworld is a lying sack of whores
by Eric Stephen on Sep 1, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 1, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would you want to put your whores in a sack?
Doesn’t seem especially thought-through.
Also, I want my whores to lie. Who wants a whore that tells you the truth?
Just saying.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Sep 1, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
A sack of whores is probably more fun than a barrel full of monkeys though. Compared to a sack of doorknobs, depends on your vantage point.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
He kinda sucks as a defensive OF
But offensively, might he be an upgrade offensively over Pods?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
She's feeding every hour and a half
not getting a lot of sleep
But she is awesome. Loving having her here.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
awesome
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 1, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Belated congratulations on the healthy arrival of the Folly
You are going to have one estrogen-filled household.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I too
have one wife, one daughter (no longer living at home), and one bitch.
Humma rules.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Zach Lee
Preemptive strike for when the $80 million figure finally came out under oath?
"There’s no reason I can give you that makes sense. A lot of what I do is a feel thing."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Sep 1, 2010 4:05 PM PDT reply actions
Meh
The projected payroll figures were documented, although not as part of the business plan at the time of the sale, but as part of pitch to some group of investors later (?) – my memory is getting sketchy here.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I think both.
It came out somewhere that Selig liked McCourt’s reduced payroll plan when he pitched to buy the team.
Then it was also in an investment memorandum for Frank’s global sports empire.
It certainly came out in the divorce documents earlier this year, as part of the investors plan. But that plan was widely dismissed as a speculative blueprint that never really meant much, more or less spitballing. Now we have Frank saying it was indeed the plan, with his own lips, under oath.
"There’s no reason I can give you that makes sense. A lot of what I do is a feel thing."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Sep 1, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Ahh, I misunderstood that, thanks.
"There’s no reason I can give you that makes sense. A lot of what I do is a feel thing."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Sep 1, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Bob Ley and Buster Olney said on Outside the Lines today that the Dodger payroll hasn’t cracked $85 million this season. Liars.
they are
in that sack with the other whores.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 1, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
You should e-mail Buster the TBLA right side bar
and the link to the full page and ask him “I showed my work. Where am I wrong?”
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
we have discussed this before though
What is the on field payroll today sans deferred dollars?
by 68elcamino427 on Sep 1, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Right, but that does seem to be the case here doesn't it?
Who is right? Should deferred money be counted as the current payroll? I don’t care either way as long as everyone is consistent in how it is used.
if you have a habit of deferring $
it certainly should be counted in the year paid out, as it reflects your current payroll cash flow.
if you only deferred once in a while then I guess it depends on how they account for it, is it an expense in the year played and becomes a liability on the books, or do you expense it as you pay it.
by MammothDodger on Sep 1, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Boy, that’s not a formula for having an abritrary discussion.
X Team we should count it, but Y team we shouldnt?
by Michael White on Sep 1, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
well it was poorly worded
but from an accounting stand point that is how to look at it. For the purposes of arguing team X vs team Y just use the cash flow. so it all counts when paid out. For purposes of taxation and P&L use when the liability is accrued.
by MammothDodger on Sep 1, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting
Back in 2004, Ross Newhan story.
The McCourts, to this point, have claimed President Bob Graziano, executive vice president of business Kris Rone and General Manager Dan Evans, the organization’s top three executives.
As for Graziano and Rone, who is credited with increasing sponsorship sales 271% and raising net revenues 51% in five years with the club, neither will elaborate on their philosophical differences with the McCourts.
Sources familiar with the situation said that both questioned the viability of a business plan based on a best-case scenario. If that best case doesn’t totally evolve — and seldom do all of the pieces fall in place in baseball — Graziano and Rone were concerned, the sources said, about [Frank McCourt]’s long-term operating potential given the level of the debt servicing in his highly leveraged purchase of the club.
I remember that
but that seemed to be more about the ability to grow revenue to pay for the debt service levels.
This I recall reading.
The recessionary economy and tight money are a piece that hasn’t fallen into place.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
2 dollars?
sounds like a steel reserve to me. Lets do this.
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
In the end I don't want Frank or Jamie to own the team
nor either one to be a part of any group.
In this case I’ll take the Devil I don’t know over the devil I do.
1/30/2004 Newhan Article seems to back up Simers
- While saying he is prepared to maintain a payroll among baseball’s highest and that his $430-million purchase reflected his financial commitment, people familiar with the initial business plan he submitted to major league baseball said he planned to model the Dodger payroll after the $65-million-to-$75-million neighborhood of the San Francisco Giants."
Well if you wanna base your roster off of the Giants who better than Ned?
I hope I can get some Manny dreads still
it was brought up
then Schmidt and Jones were signed, and Manny
Frank McCourt is crazy like a fox.
by 68elcamino427 on Sep 1, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with you
but Simers is also correct that their were people who said that he was planning at some point to go this way.
yes
and on field payroll minus deferred money and you are there now.
Deferred money scheduled at 13 – 19 mil per year for the next few years.
Blueland pipeline 14 mil + per year.
stinky
by 68elcamino427 on Sep 1, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
You might want to tweet that link to Molly
model the Dodger payroll after the $65-million-to-$75-million neighborhood of the San Francisco Giants
But if that was his plan, why didn’t he hire Ned right out of the gate?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
What was Oakland’s payroll when he hired DePo? Moneyball was all about getting more for less.
"There’s no reason I can give you that makes sense. A lot of what I do is a feel thing."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Sep 1, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
And how Beane could beat better funded teams with a payroll around $40-50 million. I read the book.
"There’s no reason I can give you that makes sense. A lot of what I do is a feel thing."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Sep 1, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Oakland's payroll in 2003: $ 50,260,834.
"There’s no reason I can give you that makes sense. A lot of what I do is a feel thing."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Sep 1, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I now remember those comments
but once he put the payroll in to the $110 Million area the fears of these people “familiar” with his plans seemed to have been put to rest. Didn’t Rob from 6-4-2 always tell us that was the plan, but we started to ignore him after McCourts actions seemed to refute these stories.
In the end this isn’t Frank being quoted but people familiar with is plans. Today would be the first time I think the public has heard Frank say anything about the level of payroll.
But it does seem out of place
considering no matter how you categorize it, the Dodger payroll has never approached that figure
Frank on the stand saying the plan to significantly reduce player compensation is certainly newsworthy.
The $80m figure everyone is speculating about that Molly noted, that is certainly up for scrutiny.
98 is for this year
and includes money deferred from previous years to this year, but not money deferred to future years.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Right, point only being without the deferred money, 84 is close to the target.
by 68elcamino427 on Sep 1, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't follow you
what deferred money is the 14 supposed to represent?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
For instance
to Dave’s point, Manny’s salary this season is $20 million, yet he was only paid $7.27m. That difference alone swallows up any dead money paid from previous years.
For those that are having trouble getting excited about baseball, this story should get your juices flowing.
Unless you are devoid of human emotion, like Joey :)
The Braves
tweeted a pic of Boscan and Freddie Freeman signing their first MLB contract earlier today:
Or I could
put every penny of it on my house and refinance the remaining.
Rent it out and buy another.
That would’nt suck
Reading comprehension fail?
Or house understanding buying fail?
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
hah
I’m 24 and I own a condo. Don’t let age hold you back! Anyways, assuming you are being serious, which is certainly not a given, he could basically use the 75 grand to get the amount left on his house real low, refinance to get low monthly payments, then he could afford the monthly payments on another one using the rent money. BOOM.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Not getting out of, but finishing off really
so that you know own two pieces of property, and aren’t paying much more, or possibly any more, due to the wonder of now renting it out to someone else. Its my dream to be able to do that someday, but I know its unlikely. I have weird dreams don’t I?
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
now not know
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Assuming you have a renter and are capitalized enough to fund the obligations during the months of not having a renter and paying for the taxes, improvements other landlord type expenses.
by Michael White on Sep 1, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
assuming yes
Which is the tricky part.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Yes. I could afford that with or without a renter though. It would be tight, but I could do it.
All taxes are included in the payment. Except for city taxes. They were around $285.00 last year.
Home warranties will cover almost anything in a home these days. There is shit that it doesn’t cover, but most would.
Having $2000 in payments per month and getting $800 in rent. Paying $1200 per month for 2 houses.
One of which would be paid off in 5 years or so.
Then I could sell it for $150,000 or so.
cash money
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I gotta marry one of these knows about finances people. Since I seem to be talking to one, I’ve got $5,000 in surplus money coming from Loyola and crap credit. How do I turn that into a car?
Who is going to give her a loan?
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Seems easy to me
1. If you can’t afford the payments on a new car
2. If you can’t afford a car more then 5,000
3. You buy a 5,000 car.
Yeah
that does seem to be the only good solution. Get some old civic(ish) and you’re good to go.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Right the key on the 5,000
is you can’t be picky. You really have to get a model that is more about being built solid, then being good looking.
Or you can buy a Miata which is cheap, good looking, good milage, rarely breaks down unless Ivdown owns it.
Can that kid do anything right?
(sorry bro, I couldn’t resist)
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I think I’m gonna go with the Civic, something made in the 90s, then hopefully find work real soon, since my grad school classes are all night classes
Actually
the one thing bad about those model years of Civics and Corollas, they get stolen more often for the parts.
Free insurance money you say?
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Or you can
buy 7,000 shares of Capstone at .65 cents a share, which will become 7100 in several months thus giving you more to work with. Or it could become worthless:)
The Home Depot Center is nothing?
How about the landing pad for the Goodyear Blimp? Nothing too, I suppose…
My HDC related job
I haz one. And I’m pretty sure me flying a blimp is like asking for the Hindenberg redux.
I might get a fellowship at Loyola too, I’m got funds coming in just no formal funds. They all wear T-shirts
I guess you could go through carmax or a dealer
to try to get something used, the loan will suck, but if you build up a little credit and join a credit union you can refinance later. Just did that with my wife.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Buy a POS car with the cash you can spare
Can’t finance something with no income.
by Michael White on Sep 1, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
that’s what I was thinking, something off craigslist, then dump it on someone else once I’ve been working three months or so
If you are paying school loans off in the meantime
that will help your credit get up. I have stupid good credit cause of that.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Oh man my friend has beat the absolute shit
out of his integra and that sucker just keeps going.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I get it.
Oh, Gennifer Flowers, honey, I’m just droppin’ my pants now ’cuz this is the Natural State.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
him and St-Pierre
gotta give Lindsey a shot.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 1, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions