Clayton Kershaw Makes One Hit Enough For Dodgers
by Eric Stephen on Sep 14, 2010 9:32 PM PDT
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PrintThe Dodgers got only one hit tonight, but it was enough thanks to Clayton Kershaw, who propelled the Dodgers to a 1-0 victory over the Giants. It was the first complete game and first shutout of Kershaw's career.
Kershaw's previous career high in innings pitched was eight, which he accomplished four times. On the night, he gave up four hits and no walks, while striking out four. Kershaw became the fourth Dodger to hurl a complete game shutout this season, joining Chad Billingsley, Ted Lilly, and Vicente Padilla. All four complete game shutouts have come since the All-Star break.
The one hit by the Dodgers, a base hit by Matt Kemp in the second inning, wasn't even consequential to the Dodgers' run. Kemp was caught stealing that inning, the 15th time that has happened this year. The Dodger run came in the sixth inning, thanks to a hit batsman, two walks, and an error.
This was only the sixth game since 1920 in which the Dodgers have won while collecting one hit or less. The last such win was June 28, 2008, the no-hit win against Anaheim. The last time before that was Sandy Koufax's perfect game on September 9, 1965.
When Aubrey Huff struck out to leadoff the seventh inning, that was Kershaw's 200th strikeout of the season. It is the 43rd season of 200 strikeouts or more in Dodger history. The last such season was by Chad Billingsley, who had 201 strikeouts in 2008.
Speaking of Billingsley, he battles Matt Cain in the second game of the series tomorrow tonight.
WP - Clayton Kershaw (12-10): 9 IP, 4 hits, 4 strikeouts
LP - Barry Zito (8-13): 5 2/3 IP, 1 hit, 1 unearned run, 3 walks, 5 strikeouts
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In Ukraine
Giants are weak…
"I still love my ex-wife, but only when we're not talking"
by angelofdeath on Sep 14, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Great effing idea!
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Besides McCovey Cove
I always enjoy it when I get to listen to the Giants reply on KNBR 680 at midnight after a Giants loss. Especially tonight. It is on now, the whining of the Giant announcers will be priceless.
by wineracquet on Sep 15, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I am going to paint my house black and orange so every time I come home I am reminded of how much I hate them.
"We were never friends"
Give me the address and I will stop by and piss on your house.
My first visit to Boston 20 years ago I was touring the city on foot and found myself across a freeway from the Boston Garden. I was going to run acorss the freeway and pee on the Garden wall just so my wife could get a picture of it. She, wisely, talked me out of my endeavor. Alas!
by KellyStephen on Sep 14, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
had to rec that
if you had actually done it while Don’t look Back was playing on a stereo near by it would have been the perfect scene
02-15-2011
by MammothDodger on Sep 14, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
The great thing about the band Boston
is that they don’t suck like the city does :)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
gotta disagree there
they suck, every song is the same, you can sing the lyrics to one to the tune of another "Just another band outta don’t look back ammmmanda.
02-15-2011
by MammothDodger on Sep 14, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
You can go fuck yourself
I mean that thoroughly.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
*obviously they are my favorite band, my bad for the harshness, lol
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
no big, to each their own
I actually liked the first album when it came out, then all the fucking hype for the 2nd like 4 years later when it came out it was such a let down then waiting for ever again and they release the 3rd and it was the same thing again. gotta admit though they do have one good tune
02-15-2011
by MammothDodger on Sep 14, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree many of their songs try to find off the success of their biggest hits, but they’ve got about 8-10 songs that are just freaking great.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
*ahem*
ACE.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
To do this was enough.
To do this in San Francisco in a hostile environment with everything on the line for the other team. Legendary.
The whole 2010 season was a disappointment but this will probably be the night we remember.
Yeah this and Bills domination of Giants in recent series
are maybe my two favorite pitching performances of the year, esp since they came against the Giants. But there have been quite a few excellent pitching performances by LA. (Never mind how that makes this year frustrating. It’s just nice to have at least two young aces on your staff.)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Well
You may be taking that a little far, it was a meaningless game for us.
If we were still in the race Torre probably would have freaked out and put Kou in.
What else do we have to be playing for now than respect and making sure the Giants don't make the playoffs
This was a great night for a team sitting at 71-73.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I think you’d be in the minority during the ninth inning saying the game was meaningless.
Great things can still happen even if you don’t go to the playoffs.
If we were still in the race Torre probably would have freaked out and put Kou in.
I think you’re right.
But now (if Torre is still around) he will “trust” Kershaw. Kershaw will get vet treatment, and even be allowed to fail once.
You are right
Josh on Dodger talk said the exact same thing.
by wineracquet on Sep 15, 2010 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Thank you Joe Torre
For not pulling Kershaw when he gave up a hit in the 9th. It must have been a huge strain on your body to refrain from making the walk to the mound.
kershaws eERA down to 2.85
2 straight years of sub 3 ERA
No
It might even be 4, with the off days, at least in the case of Kuroda (getting him 4 starts instead of 3).
by Eric Stephen on Sep 14, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
ESPN doesn’t know what they are talking about.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 14, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn
Kershaw throws a 4 hitter, and his first career shutout on my birthday.
Well, Kershaw gave me a great 17th birthday gift… now I gotta find a way to record the game
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Sep 14, 2010 9:41 PM PDT reply actions
Happy birthday man!
You must have been good luck for Kershaw :)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
haha
I wish I had seen the game. I need to find a way to record it.
And thank you
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Sep 14, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
thats crazy
I guess we are good luck for the LA teams lol
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Sep 14, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Clayton is the first in 20 years and the 4th Dodger pitcher to do this against SF
18th time Dodger pitchers have struck out 3 or less, walked none and pitched a CG shutout.
what about pitchers that struck out four? :)
by Eric Stephen on Sep 14, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Dodger talk link anyone?
I’d love to hear some Dodger talk right now, and no way Dodger talk can suck tonight…right?
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Couldn't you just turn on the radio?
Nevermind…
http://player.streamtheworld.com/_players/citadel/?sid=966&nid=2920
"I still love my ex-wife, but only when we're not talking"
by angelofdeath on Sep 14, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t even own a radio, lol
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Isn't there one in your
Miata— oh, wait.
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Sep 14, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey now, the Miata is alive and kicking
I can’t wait till I save up enough money to get a new car, lol.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Just a reminder
Dodger Talk starts almost exactly 30 minutes after every game
by Eric Stephen on Sep 14, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Also
Grant out for the season in GB? Ouch.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Also also
screw MCC posters, talkin shit on Vin Scully. Not ever!
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I saw once on MCC a photoshopped imaged of Vin next to Hitler.
just classless.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
More like jealousy
the gnats announcers are truely the only ones I could possible say are worse than Collins and Blondie
Actually I find the non-Jon Miller announcers to be reasonable (aside from their Giant bias, which isn’t really as pronounced as other teams anyway).
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
I'm ok with Jon Miller
Krukow and Kuiper can go fuck a goat
"I still love my ex-wife, but only when we're not talking"
by angelofdeath on Sep 14, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking as a Northern Cal Dodgers fan
You don’t know pain until your MLBTV is blacked out, requiring you to hear these two idiots.
But even they respect Mr. Scully.
by Ryan Cogdill on Sep 14, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I prefer Jon Miller
Jon Miller has a sort of disturbing man-crush on Vin
"I still love my ex-wife, but only when we're not talking"
by angelofdeath on Sep 14, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Miller is, by a wide margin, the lesser evil. And the other radio guy is probably the best of the lot.
by Ryan Cogdill on Sep 14, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Dave Flemming
who is quite young and also quite good. I think Miller and Flemming are both very good. Kruk and Kuip seem better when you’ve heard some of the awful guys out there for other teams, but they are still very homer-ish. (Krukow will give a lot of props to opposing players tho, like he did with Kershaw last night.) I just hate them when the Giants are winning and Kuiper has an orgasm. But yeah Miller and Flemming are very good.
But any Giants fan who has dissed Vin Scully should be banished from baseball fandom forever. And also Vin’s older now so he’s more prone to mistakes so if they’re newbie fans who just think he’s some senile old dude they need to get a clue.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Mutual Respect between Professionals
BTW I have a man crush on Vin.
Fuck Larry Bowa in 1980
by NotJoeTorre on Sep 14, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
almost every dodger fan does...
youre not alone
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Sep 14, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
You may be onto something
if they weren’t such god awful homers I could stand them.
"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."
I'm no expert
but from what I’ve seen, its like nails against a chalkboard. I literally had to turn the volume off (and there was no radio, just silence).
I like Krukow and Kuiper as a team. Great rapport, and they call a good game.
They have their homerisms, but they are among the best MLB announcers (like top third) IMO
by Eric Stephen on Sep 14, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
You have to remember
for a lot of teams, their broadcast team needs to entertain and excite a small core fan base
by bhsportsguy on Sep 14, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
You can do that by pumping up your team and not trashing everyone else
See: Uecker, Bob
"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."
A modicum of professionalism or objectivity might be nice, though. Seriously, giants media is basically an organizational PR effort.
by Ryan Cogdill on Sep 14, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Vin Scully's style
is unique and probably would only play in LA and that is because we grew up with it.
by bhsportsguy on Sep 14, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I Strongly Disagree
That’s like saying Elvis would never have made it in New York or LA.
He is great because he and his style is the best. Hell, if he were in the midwest it would be even more symbiotic.
by Cool Dudes on Sep 14, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I must echo this sentiment
I was raised a Dodgers fan, but have never lived in the home market (pity me). Regardless, since the advent of internet streaming I have been exposed to Mr. Scully’s greatness. I find his objective, neutral style (to describe but one aspect of it) to be most suited to sports broadcasting. To me, this style of broadcasting just makes sense.
by Ryan Cogdill on Sep 14, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
This is my opinion. They get along well and call a better game than the vast majority of mlb teams (based on my experience with mlb.tv). They’re homers, but seriously, their homerism is muted compared to other broadcasting teams.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
Barry Zito has given up 11 runs (10 ER) in 37.1 IP (a 2.41 ERA) vs Dodgers this season; Zito is 0-3 & LA has won 5 of those 6 games
Outside of Lincecum
Cain, Zito and Sanchez do seem to have some bad luck against the Dodgers.
by bhsportsguy on Sep 14, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
with the deadline deals he made this year
I’d only go along with it if he started with himself.
by sarcastro9 on Sep 14, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
go for it.
"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."
yeah, my favorite quote from that article
“We play on grass, not on paper,” Colletti said.
But it takes both to think he’s a good GM.
"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."
by G.Scott on Sep 14, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
"play on grass"
That would explain why a lot of the Dodgers are struggling on the field this year.
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
Then why did he trade Andy Lambo!?
;-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Kid K is safe
so is Jansen and probably Bills and broxton.
02-15-2011
by MammothDodger on Sep 14, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you kidding?
We could empty the Yankees farm system (maybe all of MLB) of all there scrappy players for K-shaw and Jansen! Think of the depth!
Just kidding (I think).
Im a Yankees fan
and our farm isnt that great…
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Sep 14, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Outside of Montero their farm is not good.
If we were to ever trade Kershaw (NEVER!!!!), it should be to the Royals for their farm system.
Funny thing when I typed that i somehow accidentally deleted that…I don’t think the baseball gods want anyone even talking about trading Kershaw.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I think you meant to reply to my comment
and I know. But he’s pretty much lost me, between his trades and some of the remarks he’s made this year.
You may scoff and say he had it made with the young players
but it was his wheeling and dealing that added the key players to go to the playoffs 3 times in his first four years which is why he probably has the longest leash of anyone in the organization.
by bhsportsguy on Sep 14, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree 100%
but this year, he blew most of what goodwill he had for those “win now” deals, that at least worked in the short term. The Cubs deal was ok. Royals deal, not so much. Pirates, don’t get me started. There will be plenty of time over the years to make comments about that.
GMs make bad deals
It is part of the job. I don’t know when it became a job requirement for a GM to be 100% correct all the time. You are lucky if you break even since no one can really predict player performance.
by bhsportsguy on Sep 14, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
yes
but no GM makes this many bad deals and should keep their job…
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Sep 14, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Everytime JMAC throws more than 5 innings, theres a reason to go nuts
Fuck Larry Bowa in 1980
by NotJoeTorre on Sep 14, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks like a bad team with good people coming our way.
Scrappy .280 hitters with little to no pop. But, are BASEBALL PLAYERS.
Right now
I don’t know if Matt Kemp is even that
by bhsportsguy on Sep 14, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade anyone but Kershaw and Billingsley.
by Julio Nievas on Sep 15, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
He'll yeah!
Even Les says right on!!
by Skunkburner on Sep 14, 2010 10:01 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
great for Kershaw
and good for Joe Torre…I’m sure that he had to fight every instinct within to leave him in there.
Missed most of the game
as I had a softball game tonight. I see that the Dodgers won. But my question is, DID THE GIANTS SUCK IT?
AND
HOW!!!!!!!!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 14, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Throwaway comments FTW!
From me, in response to Underdog yesterday, after he said had zero interest in getting tickets.
I for one would love to see Kershaw’s first complete game shutout in person :)
That puts me at 1 for 287 on the season!
by Eric Stephen on Sep 14, 2010 10:07 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I do remember you saying that!
Way to go Mr Stephen :)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
REMEMBER, WITH GREAT POWER COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY
But man, I WISH I WAS THERE!!!
This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.
ok, it's time to put in a call to Dodger Talk tonight
they’re talking about the possibility of trading Loney and putting Gibbons at 1st.
I was thinking of calling to talk about how great Kershaw is and give a shoutout to how great Billingsley is too
It would be pointless though so I may not, haha.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
go for it, they'll put you right through
It usually take two or three times, then they put you on hold for 10 minutes. I just got on right away. I didn’t even have time to think of what to say! lol
Were you just on?
I missed it because of stupid ESPN, i forgot to unmute Dodger Talk, ugh.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
yeah
I was trying to make a point about how the Dodgers have given away too many young players who haven’t “come through” to make way for veterans, and used J-Mac as an example. I also was saying how the core was just having a disappointing second half, but they’ve come through in the past. They seemed to get the point well enough, even if I didn’t quite word it the way I wanted to.
But isn't this is a generalization
unless every player traded has turned out to be a good player (which isn’t true), if the veterans signed have not played important roles in past playoff teams (they have played very important roles) and if the “core” has been consistent (they have not, its arguable Kemp has not played well since last August, Martin since the 2008 ASB and Loney is Loney).
by bhsportsguy on Sep 14, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
gotta have guys with upside
or you’re just rolling the dice every time, with fewer chips to play with for every new round.
And Loney was actually quite good until his legs gave out in St. Louis right after the All Star game. I was gonna get around to writing a fanpost about it. Not sure if it’s related or not, but it’s at least worth pointing out that for the first 3+ months of the season, he was doing very well.
...and I'm not bashing ALL the trades
like I said before, Ned had done some good up until this year. But all too often, there was this feel of urgency with a lot of his trades, as if the Dodgers had to go all in for THAT year, or it wasn’t gonna happen. And this year, he finally over did it.
by sarcastro9 on Sep 14, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Screw ESPN
First time they show Kershaw he gives up that ninth inning hit. Thats kind of a huge moment for one of the best young pitchers in baseball…but he doesn’t play on the East Coast so I guess I see why you don’t give 2 shits.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Just saw the ERROR on MLB network
that was a helluve a screwup, could not have happened to a nicer asshole on a worse team, I think he was trying to Hotdog it and the ball just flew away.
Reminds me ogf the old Chick Hearn line, “The mustard came off the hotdog while trying to play ketchup.”
02-15-2011
by MammothDodger on Sep 14, 2010 10:20 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
No idea…
"I still love my ex-wife, but only when we're not talking"
by angelofdeath on Sep 14, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
design fail
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 14, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps the Clippers made the shirt
"I still love my ex-wife, but only when we're not talking"
by angelofdeath on Sep 14, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
If the Clips did make that shirt
They spelled “can” wrong
"I still love my ex-wife, but only when we're not talking"
by angelofdeath on Sep 14, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Or else the shirt belongs to Sterling.
"There’s no reason I can give you that makes sense. A lot of what I do is a feel thing."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Sep 15, 2010 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I really wanted to call you a communist
but with your hate for red…
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
CG SO
CK!!!!!!!!!
FU SF!!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 14, 2010 10:27 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
how so?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 14, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I saw the CK FU SF, and I immediately put the FU before the CK. But now I see what you did there. :)
:D
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 14, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm
Kyle Drabek to make his debut tomorrow… I might just watch that
"I still love my ex-wife, but only when we're not talking"
In the ESPN game story, this nugget
How Dodgers starter Clayton Kershaw dwarfed the Giants: – Unreal slider. The Giants were 0-7 with 2 strikeouts on Kershaw’s 15 sliders. For the season, hitters are now 10-102 (.098) against the pitch. – Great starts. Kershaw retired all 9 of the hitters leading off innings (100 pct; MLB average: 68 pct). – Dominated up and in. On pitches “up” in the zone, Giants hitters were 1-14. On pitches “in”, Giants hitters were 1-14. On pitches “up and in”? 0-5
I watched him in the 8th and 9th
and he was getting in on just about everyone’s hands (I think more-so on the right handed hitters) and making them foul the ball out into fastball alley behind the plate. It was nice to see.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
That's nice analysis but
The Giants had exactly 4 hits. They were 0-fer or 1-fer in a lot of subcategories, weren’t they?
The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
by David Young on Sep 14, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm also curious to see what Kershaw's slider numbers will look like updated on fangraphs tomorrow
I don’t want to look now because I know all of his stats will look better after tonight’s game is factored in :)
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I really like Barajas.
And since the Dodgers have already spoiled their season, now they have a chance to spoil everybody else’s ahead of them in the National League West. The loss dropped the Giants 1 1/2 games behind the first-place Padres.
“With as much trash as I heard from the fans, it’s nice,” said Barajas, a native Angeleno feeling for the first time the Dodgers-Giants rivalry while wearing the Los Angeles grays.
“I don’t know if I’ve ever played a game that had more bad things said to me. They were tough on me personally. It’s nice to send them home unhappy. It felt good. We have a chance to win the series and send them home unhappy again.”
Link.
Ethier
I just saw where Ethier said he would love to go to Boston. With the recent indications from Colletti that he may shake things up, what should a deal to Boston look like? Ellsbury and a couple of prospects?
No thanks on Ellsbury. I would ask for Casey Kelly (value is down), Ryan Kalish, and Felix Doubrant.
I don’t really care for Ellsbury either, but there were rumblings that they may try to move him. What positions do those prospects play? I don’t know much about Boston prospects.
I still think this has more to do
with catcher, second base, left field, 2 or 3 starters and 3 or 4 bullpen spots plus the bench.
Kelly is their top pitching prospect who had a bad season at AA (similar to Withrow’s situation), Doubrant is a lefty who beat us in June (could be a back end starting candidate) and Kalish is a CF with 4 homers in the bigs already (small sample size).
May have to nix Doubrant actually (has a strained pec and is out for the season). Not a good idea to trade for injured pitchers.
So Kalish in center, Kemp in one of the corners, and a hole still in the other corner? No, I think I’d deny Ethier his alleged wish.
"There’s no reason I can give you that makes sense. A lot of what I do is a feel thing."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Sep 15, 2010 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps he doesn’t get his wish to go to Boston, but the idea of trading Ethier probably shouldn’t be dismissed. We could probably get a pretty good return for him. That said, trading him would almost signal that we are mailing in 2011.
I’m not opposed to moving him at all, although my wife and Josie would be crushed, but I hope for more return than essentially an outfielder swap.
"There’s no reason I can give you that makes sense. A lot of what I do is a feel thing."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Sep 15, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions
If we move Ethier
I will drive a bus full of babies into a cliff made of your favorite childhood memories
by Josie Becker on Sep 15, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
But you’d be driving the bus, so you’d be on it with the babies.
My favorite childhood memories are watching the Marlins and Blue Jays win the world series in ‘97 and ’93. I think you’d be doing me a favor.
"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."
According to my religion I get to have 40 stud type men in heaven if I drive buses into things.
by Josie Becker on Sep 15, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
If it is the right deal, I think Ethier is the one guy that could bring a great haul.
Kershaw is untouchable imo
by robotmadeofnails on Sep 15, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Also
If the Dodgers make any deals from the 25-man roster, I would expect it to be for players who can play next year (with some demonstrated ability at the MLB level) rather than for prospects.
Agreed.
When discussing who LAD would want back for Ethier (or anybody really) it should bring in players who will be on the Dodgers 25 man roster next season.
by Michael White on Sep 15, 2010 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Players from the Dodgers roster who should not be considered in trade
Kershaw
Billingsley
Jansen
Any others?
by 68elcamino427 on Sep 15, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I would say Broxton, just because his value has never been lower. But, if a team is willing to trade on his past history and not the last 2 months, go for it.
Also, other than being cheap and good, Jansen is still just a relief pitcher. If you can get something of value for him or a package involving him, you do it.
I wouldn’t trade Ethier to Boston unless I was getting Clay Bucholz or Jon Lester back. Since that’s probably unreasonable, I’d find another suitor. I just wouldn’t trade him to the DBacks. He’d go apeshit playing for them.
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re: Value
I probably wouldn’t trade anybody, particularly given what bh said above (and I agree with) that the Dodgers would need to get somebody who will start next year. So, while I could sign off on the Ethier trade silverwidow proposed, I see no reason to swap Etheir for Ellsbury and I don’t think the Dodgers could get any more than that for Ethier.
So really, I wouldn’t be happy with the haul for Ethier, Kemp, Billingsley or Broxton—- so I probably wouldn’t end up moving anybody who mattered.
by Michael White on Sep 15, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Trade him to the Angels for Napoli and Ervin Santana.
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Napoli career OPS+ against LHP is 126, Chris Ianetta’s against RHP is also 126. That’d be a cool platoon.
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You are speaking my language.
Ethier for a power hitting catcher and 5th starter….
I’m thinking that’s fair, but I’d be intersted to hear what the others around here would say.
by Michael White on Sep 15, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Napoli can also play 1B in a platoon with Loney as well as catcher. How about that?
"We were never friends"
I thought that too, but
If a righty is pitching, you’ll want Loney and ianetta hitting in my scenario. If a lefty is pitching, you’ll have Napoli catching regardless. A guy platooning at two positions really only works if he hits lefties and righties well and you have two regular position players who are opposite handed of each other who can’t hit like-handed pitchers.
{breathes in}
If you wanted to also platoon with Loney, you’d really need a different guy to do it. Like, say that guy we have at 3B.
"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."
Ok so you’d platoon Napoli and Loney at 1B, play Blake at 3B, and bring back Barajas to platoon with some lefty catcher.
"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."
And, you know, figure out a way to field an outfield which would only have Kemp since Ethier would be traded an there is no LF.
by Michael White on Sep 15, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Ya, but I think any move involving Ethier would require either a third team to back fill our need or an auxiliary move after the fact. There isn’t going to be a trade that will upgrade our outfield and fill another need.
My only other thought was something like Ethier for Medlen, or Ethier and Broxton for David Wright. But, I’m getting crazy now.
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would you really want one year of 18MM broken Carlos Beltran?
I’d be shooting for someone who could contribute and I would be staying away from pitching as the centerpiece. A position player has so much more value than a pitcher.
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If Morales was still around, Napoli would be catching more.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 15, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I would consider trading Billingsley and/or Jansen.
Kershaw is basically untradeable because of how good he is and how cheap he is. He should be locked up. Billingsley is my favorite player, but he’s only under club control for 2 more years, so if you are looking at a long term turnaround effort you either want to lock Billingsley up or trade him. Jansen is cheap like Kershaw, but he’s a reliever so I’d never say a reliever is untouchable.
by Michael White on Sep 15, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
So did everyone see that I wrote
a Dodger article for SBN LA? Cause I wrote a Dodger article for SBN LA. http://losangeles.sbnation.com/2010/9/15/1688579/old-meets-new-dodgers-manny-ramirez-andre-ether-matt-kemp
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http://www.truebluela.com/2010/9/15/1690473/let-me-count-the-ways-you-make-me
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