Dodgers Trade Octavio Dotel To Rockies For PTBNL
by Eric Stephen on Sep 18, 2010 12:39 PM PDT
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PrintThe Dodgers today have traded reliever Octavio Dotel to the Rockies for a player to be named later. In 19 games with the Dodgers, Dotel had a 3.38 ERA in 18 2/3 innings, with 11 walks, 21 strikeouts, and three home runs allowed. He converted one of his two save opportunities with the Dodgers.
So, the Dodgers traded James McDonald (3.49 ERA in eight starts in Pittsburgh with 44 strikeouts in 49 innings) and outfielder Andrew Lambo for 18 2/3 innings of Dotel, plus whatever player is eventually named.
The player to be named can't play in the same league after the trade, so it is likely a Rockies' minor leaguer. That the player wasn't named also likely means he is on the 40-man roster, and he will be traded after the season when he doesn't have to clear waivers. Or, perhaps the Dodgers have a list of minor leaguers from which to choose by a certain date.
With 16 days left in the season, there is $284,153 of Dotel's $3.25 million salary remaining. Per Troy Renck of the Denver Post, the Dodgers and Rockies will split the cost of that remaining salary plus the $250,000 buyout of his 2011 option, if not exercised.
Because he was not in Colorado's organization on August 31, he is ineligible for postseason play.
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So if I understand correctly
The Dodgers thought, for a week, that they were in contention, the trade deadline happened, realized they screwed up, and started giving away the pieces they gave up other pieces to get.
Vote of no confidence.
PTBNL Speculation
The player to be named can’t play in the same league after the trade, so it is likely a Rockies’ minor leaguer. That the player wasn’t named also likely means he is on the 40-man roster
If that is the case, there are very few that fit both descriptions. You’re looking at Juan Nicasio, Hector Gomez, Chaz Roe and Greg Reynolds. I’d be beyond shocked if Nicasio or Gomez were involved, so there you go.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 18, 2010 12:49 PM PDT reply actions
I think the only other possibility is simply that the Dodgers haven’t chosen a player off a list of non-40-man minor leaguers, although that is less likely IMO.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 18, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
According to Baseball America
Hector Gomez was ranked #5 heading into the season, Juan Nicasio was #15, and Chaz Roe was #24. Since I agree it’s a long shot we get Gomez or Nicasio, I think the guy could be Chaz Roe. He’s a tall right handed pitcher who struggled in AAA this year, but then again what pitcher doesn’t struggle in the PCL, especially since he plays his home games in Colorado Springs. He put up pretty good numbers the year before that in AA
by Brandon Lennox on Sep 18, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
As a Rockies fan, I wouldn't blink if we dealt Roe
He isn’t on the radar for our top 30 prospects lists and is behind a dozen pitchers in terms of rotation prospects. But I’m leaning towards believing the PTBNL will not be from the 40-man roster
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 18, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I highly doubt it's even going to be Roe, and I would blink.
The last two September trades for relievers were for Josh Habel (Dave Burba in 2004) and Andrew Lefave (Ray King in 2007).
I think you have to look AA or lower for a guy that’s either too old for his level or an innings eating arm that has a slim chance at making an MLB roster. If the Dodgers were eating the remaining salary for Dotel, I could potentially see it being Roe, but since they’re instead pocketing money they got from the Pirates to pay for his salary and having the Rockies pick it up, I think it’s pretty clear the trade will be for a minor league filler type of player.
Josh Habel was freaking awesome.
And i’m not just saying that because I went to high school with him and played on the same football team as him all four years.
by IAPiratesFan on Sep 18, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not saying Roe doesn't have talent or can't be a decent back end starter
But he’s not the kind of prospect I would lose sleep over losing
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 18, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
WTF?
As a Pirates fan, I’m just wondering what the point of all this was. Sure, McDonald and Lambo are probably not going to turn in to Jason Varitek and Derek Lowe. But I’m just wondering why they trade the two of them for 20 innings of Octavio Dotel. It just doesn’t make sense at all.
Or is Ned Colletti just a moron?
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Trade never made sense. McDonald out of the bullpen could have done what dotel did for us easily. Ned just has a hard on for veterans that defies logic and sense.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
by nolander on Sep 18, 2010 3:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Ned Colletti is to major league baseball
what David Kahn is to the NBA. Here is a fake twitter feed that mocks Colletti, but sadly everything the mocker says is actually pretty close to being sad and darkly hilarious, but also true if you’re a Dodger fan.
http://twitter.com/dodgersgm
by The Dude Abides on Sep 19, 2010 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
So you're telling me the PTBNL probably isn't going to be Carlos Gonzalez?
Ok, what I thought from the day it happened is official now- the Pittsburgh trade blows the Carlos Santana (CarSan?) trade out of the water. This trade makes that trade look like Bradley for Ethier in OUR favor!
Also, remember how angry everyone was when they first thought that the Dodgers traded Elbert and Josh Bell for George Sherrill? Well, while ‘10 Lambo <= ’09 Bell (roughly, but it’s close), consider that:
’09 Sherrill > ’10 Dotel
’10 McDonald > ’09 Elbert
’09 playoff chances >>> ’10 playoff chances
And bear in mind that the ‘10 descriptions are from BEFORE the trade was made! I couldn’t believe how relatively muted the reactions were at the time for that Pirates trade- it was overall negative, but a lot of people were saying things like, “J-Mac had his chance.” I’m guessing the reaction isn’t going to be so muted anymore.
Make no mistake- THIS is going to be Ned’s legacy. Heaven help us if we trade Kemp, because Ned’s more likely to go after Torii Hunter than Colby Rasmus.
My Master Plan:
1) Hire a hitman to go after Frank McCourt and force him into witness protection, thus forcing him to sell the team.
2) Convince Mark Cuban to buy the Dodgers.
3) Fire most of all of the current front office personnel.
4) Convince Pat Gillick to come out of retirement and be the GM for the Dodgers and let him hire his own people to work under him.
5) Wait 3 years and watch as the Dodgers become a perennial power house that wins multiple titles.
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Sep 19, 2010 3:58 AM PDT reply actions
4) Correction:
Hire Logan White as GM, Kim Ng as President, Tim Wallach as manager. Keep Honeycutt as pitching coach if he wants to stay, otherwise hire Charlie Hough. Get rid of Mattingly and cut his no-talent son, get rid of Bowa and Schaefer and allow Dave Stewart to kick both of them in the seat of their pants as they exit the clubhouse for the last time. And finally, bar Bill Plaschke from any contact with the team, obtaining a restraining order if necessary.
by The Dude Abides on Sep 19, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
ned doesn't believe...
i believe this: ned colletti, GM of the dodgers, doesn’t believe that minor league statistics are of much use when trying to project a player’s likely big league production… getting rid of mcdonald/lambo (and, of course, others of their ilk whenever possible) gives ned more leeway to acquire the reed johnsons/garrett andersons of the world…. simply put, ned should be replaced as GM. he is saved by the fact that the only people worse at their jobs than he is at his are frank/jamie mccourt….
I still believe Pat Gillick would be a godsend.
He is my ideal GM.
He took the Blue Jays job when they were terrible and built them to be back-to-back WS champions in ’92 and ’93.
He was the reason why the Orioles were relevant in the mid to late 90’s.
He basically built the current Phillies team outside of the Lee and Halladay trades. They won a title, 2 NL pennants, and have the potential opportunity to win a 3rd straight pennant and a 2nd title in 3 years.
Long story short, he takes shitty organizations and makes them good. He said he would come out of retirement to be a GM again “if the right situation opened up”. I don’t know if the Dodgers would be a good situation given the whole McCourt thing and the fact that they are shitty owners anyways but one can hope and dream.
"F it, let's pitch." - Ervin Santana
by Chzburger Jones on Sep 27, 2010 4:15 AM PDT up reply actions
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