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Do the Clippers have a better future than the Dodgers?

As the Dodgers season is winding down and the Clippers season is close to starting, a seemingly ridiculous question entered my mind. Do the Clippers, yes, the team with 2 winning seasons under their belt, have a better future than the Dodgers, who have heavily disappointed this season? Of course, one bad season alone would not warrant this question, but there are many factors to be explored here.

In April of 2010, the Dodgers started their season with much promise on the field but a harsh reality off the field, while the Clippers ended their season sourly on the court but encouraging in the offices. The impending divorce of owners Frank and Jamie McCourt hung a dark cloud over the best outfield in the majors when healthy, while the celebrated departure of Mike Dunleavy overshadowed a disappointing year from Eric Gordon and the injury of Blake Griffin. Center-fielder Matt Kemp, who was supposed to be embarking on a superstar season, was indeed spectacular until General Manager Ned Colletti singled him out on the radio for his poor defense. A Clippers GM has never singled out a player like this in recent memory, unless you count Dunleavy ripping on Elton Brand after he spurned Baron Davis and the Clippers during the 2008 free agency period. While Dunleavy revealed himself to be a competent GM, his controlling coaching style frustrated players and fans. Colletti has frustrated fans with the trading of star prospect Carlos Santana, the signing of Andruw Jones, Jason Schmidt, Juan Pierre, and his inability to trade for an ace - Dodger fans have watched on the sidelines as the Phillies have traded for Cliff Lee, Roy Halladay, and Roy Oswalt.

A big similarity between the two teams is the nucleus of young talent. While the Dodgers boast Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier, and James Loney, the Clippers flaunt Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon. All have their weaknesses, including Kemp’s defensive struggles and low batting average this year, Ethier inability to hit left handers, Loney’s lack of power needed at first base, Griffin’s injury, and Gordon’s lack of playmaking and rebounding ability. The Dodgers are hoping that newly signed prospect Zach Lee will lead stars Trayvon Robinson and Jerry Sands out of the minor league system, while the Clippers hope young draft picks Al-Farouq Aminu, Eric Bledsoe, Willie Warren, and Marqus Blakely will start a Oklahoma City Thunder-like youth movement.

Today, when we look at these teams, we can’t help but look at the ownership situations. When the McCourt’s divorce was revealed during the 2009 NLCS against the Phillies, Dodgers fans became scared. The biggest issue is always money. Was this the reason we traded Carlos Santana for Casey Blake? Is this why we didn’t trade for Roy Halladay or Cliff Lee? Meanwhile, Donald Sterling seemed to turn a corner by eventually firing Dunleavy, but then reassured all of us by suing him for a fraudulent contract. One glaring difference is the fact that the Dodgers are more than $430 million in debt, while the Clippers continue to make money despite their continuous losing seasons. 

In sports, every team needs a plan to succeed. For the past couple years, the Clippers have been planning for the future, while the Dodgers have been planning for the present. GM Dunleavy succeeded in trading the mammoth contract of Zach Randolph, loyal and fan favorite Marcus Camby, and one-dimensional Al Thornton for spare parts and cap-space, all for the summer of Lebron James, (perhaps now the summer of Carmelo Anthony) and for the looming CBA lockout. The Dodgers have ignored the future and looked only at the present. Indeed, the trade for Manny Ramirez was brilliant, but one overlooked factor was the deferred money he was promised in his contract. Deferred money has been a strange trend for the Blue Crew. Hilariously, the Dodgers will now be paying the current Chicago White Sox outfield (Juan Pierre, Andruw Jones, and Manny) for years to come. They are still paying for former Dodgers Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Schmidt, Randy Wolf, and Orlando Hudson. Besides deferring all this money to veterans, the Dodgers have disappointed at the trade deadline since signing Manny. They have seen aces get traded to an NL rival, while they have traded their young talent, including James McDonald and Blake DeWitt for a combination of Scott Podsednik (Juan Pierre-beta), Ted Lilly, Ryan Theriot, and Octavio Dotel. I admit the Ronny Belliard trade was a success, but the benching of Orlando Hudson in his favor during the playoffs leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

There are many similarities between past and present Clippers and Dodgers players. Zach Randolph and Andruw Jones were both brought in to help the offense. While Randolph contributed his expected 20 points and 10 rebounds, he couldn’t shed any pounds and his defense showed. Andruw Jones showed up to spring training camp overweight and batted .158 with 3 home runs during the season. In their next seasons, both with different teams, Randolph would be named to his first all-star team while Jones would bat .212, but with a much improved 17 home runs. Another similarity is what Sam Cassell and Manny Ramirez brought to their teams. Both brought a different type of leadership - Cassell a voice on the court and a jumper in crunch time type of leadership, and Manny a slugging doubles and home runs type of leadership. Each led their teams to the playoffs, winning in the first round but unable to get their teammates help to win a second series. Unfortunately, both would leave in similar fashion - toward the end of the season once their team had fallen out of contention to be penciled into the lineup of a contender.

Every summer, a Clippers fan expects big things the coming season, with new players and an optimistic formula. Most often than not we are disappointed because of a set of injuries and organizational disfunction. For a Dodgers fan, the playoffs are looming, and we hope we have enough firepower to make it to the World Series. There are certainly questions for the next Clippers season, such as worries about Blake Griffin’s health, Eric Gordon’s improvement, and whether or not Chris Kaman is really a 19 and 10 guy. However, there are much more uncertainties for the Dodgers. What is the ownership situation going to be like? Will Matt Kemp bounce back? Is Clayton Kershaw our ace? Who is our leader?

This summer has brought much hope to Clippers fans, as Eric Gordon has been the second leading scorer for Team USA in the World Basketball Championships, and Blake Griffin has been working out at 100%. Meanwhile, the Dodgers have traded away their young talent for a shot at the far distant playoffs and the McCourt divorce trials have begun. A lot hinges on the future. Will Joe Torre stay or leave? Will Vinny Del Negro silence his critics? There is a lot to think about, but I’ve been thinking a lot more positively about the Clippers these days.

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Man

You know how to kick someone when you are down.

Los LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Cool Dudes on Sep 2, 2010 9:45 PM PDT reply actions  

What?

Please elaborate.

http://antilakers.tumblr.com/

by Regulan on Sep 2, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

both need new owners

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Sep 2, 2010 10:13 PM PDT reply actions  

+1

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 2, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well written

our summers are always full of promise, our winters are always full of injury and excuses.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 2, 2010 10:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks

http://antilakers.tumblr.com/

by Regulan on Sep 3, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Clips

The Clips are always going to be the Lakers’ little sisters. We expect more of the Dodgers.

by preacher roe on Sep 3, 2010 6:48 AM PDT reply actions  

A Clippers GM has never singled out a player like this in recent memory, unless you count Dunleavy ripping on Elton Brand after he spurned Baron Davis and the Clippers during the 2008 free agency period.

Sterling does it all the time though. He threw Gomes, Foye and Jordan under the bus a few weeks ago, and it was well-reported that he got in Thonton’s face screaming at him in the locker room in 2008-2009.

by Michael White on Sep 3, 2010 7:41 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm under the impression that Sterling has no idea what he's talking about, so he's criticisms don't weigh much.

Who knows whether or not he was joking with Simers, and his locker room tirade coincidentally happened right after Cuban’s tirade.

http://antilakers.tumblr.com/

by Regulan on Sep 3, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ha Ha

Your right, Jones was only fat and unproductive, Randolf was fat, but very productive, both on and off the court. Who wouldn’t want a drug dealing, drunken slug on their team?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 3, 2010 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Alleged drug dealer and the charges were never even filed. I’m not going to argue the guy is an angel, but his rap sheet is comparable to say Rafael Furcal or Ronald Belisario.

Even with Randolph being fat, he came over mid-season, was fat and very productive. Commited to losing weight in the offseason for the Clippers and did so, only he was traded to Memphis to start the season.

by Michael White on Sep 3, 2010 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ha

I just wanted to point out that they would both play very well (maybe even better) for their next teams.

http://antilakers.tumblr.com/

by Regulan on Sep 3, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's weird to me that the Clippers have a fan base at all

The worst organization in professional sports over the past 30 years sharing the same building as the best in that same time frame… and people actually choose to be a Clippers fan? I don’t get it.

by Sean P. on Sep 3, 2010 8:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Not everyone backs a winner

and when the loser finally wins, it is kind of cool. The Clippers don’t go to the playoffs often but when do and succeed it is awesoke. I’ve been to quite a few Laker playoff games since their first World Championship in Staples, and yet the only time I’ve been to the playoffs with the Clippers, the atmosphere was special and out shined the Laker environment of entitlement.

I don’t get why fans can’t be fans of struggling franchises without being looked down as second class citizens. Given that most franchises lose, if we didn’t have fans of these franchises who would be footing the bills?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 3, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

I’ve never been a fan of the Laker’s in-game environment. Most of the time, the crowd is dead (until the 4th quarter of a close game) except for the upper levels. The lighting is completely dark around the court and lots celebrities come to the games instead of the true fans since ticket prices are ridiculous.

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Sep 4, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, I am a Dodgers fan after all

but of course I was indoctrinated into Dodger lore as a child by my grandfather whom I absolutely idolized.

What I don’t see is the connection to the Clippers, who are barely connected to LA (moved here in 1984 and still don’t even have their own arena) and whose only legacy in LA is an owner entirely contemptuous of his team’s fans who has little or no interest in ever winning a championship.

by Sean P. on Sep 3, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Everybody has a story for why they are Clipper fans (check the archives at Clippers Nation if you want an idea.) But being born in 1983, the fact that the Clips came over in 1984 isn’t a deterrent for me.

I’m struggling to phrase a correct response to your two completely arrogant comments. As though you are totally stumped that people might have different opinions or interests than you.

by Michael White on Sep 3, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

A team that has played in a city for 26 years is barely connected to that city?

I don’t think so.

Winning is great, but it is not a necessary factor for a team I’m rooting for.

http://antilakers.tumblr.com/

by Regulan on Sep 3, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well you know, going by that argument

Laker fans had no rights to be Laker fans until I guess around what, 1980. And Dodger fans not until 1981. Angel fans not until 1986.

Really Sean, as Michael said both your comments were arrogant and pithy, unless of course your so young and clueless you really have no clue the Dodgers came from Brooklyn with no ties to LA, the Lakers from the Land of Lakes.

by meercatjohn on Sep 3, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, all arrogance, pithiness, youth, and cluelessness aside

allow me to rephrase my above statement to : “is an owner who has little or no interest in ever winning a championship and is entirely contemptuous of his team’s fans”.

I was intending to impugn Donald Sterling’s commitment to win and not y’alls. Frankly, I find it a meaningless exercise to debate any given fan’s desire to win, as by definition a non-participant can neither win nor lose except vicariously.

Nonetheless, I would like to apologize if I have offended. I but meant to tease.

by Sean P. on Sep 3, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

One glaring difference is the fact that the Dodgers are more than $430 million in debt, while the Clippers continue to make money despite their continuous losing seasons.

Debt and profitability are not comparable things. Many, make that most, business carry debt, if the Clippers books were laid bare under the sharp light of a lawsuit, say about renting uninhabitable homes to dis advantaged persons, I would lay odds that there is debt there as well. The Dodgers with that debt load, or even greater per the current divorce case, were profitable. While I will not make excuses for the putrid current ownership of the Dodgers I find most of the comparisons in this post to be absurd.

The Dodgers are suffering through a down season and may be on the cusp of a few futile years I do not think they will drop to the depths of the Clippers. A team that improved by 50% last year and if they were to repeat that improvement in the coming season will barely scratch above .500, and with that would most likely miss the playoffs again for the 16th time in 18 years, in a league where better than half the teams make the playoffs.

by MammothDodger on Sep 3, 2010 8:48 AM PDT reply actions  

The title was indicative of the future not the past

and the Clippers have just as good a chance as the Dodgers of having a bright future. It may never happen but nothing wrong with a writer spreading his wings and taking a shot at the prospect of it happening. It may be absurd, but it was an interesting read.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Sep 3, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes an interesting read and well written

but, until there is a new owner I do not see how the Clips have as good a chance as the Dodgers having a bright future. Don Sterling is reason the adage, Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it., was coined.

Let the Autumn of Clipper Love on TrueBlueLA begin, I guess the baseball season is truly over

by MammothDodger on Sep 3, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dont' really see DTS

as the problem with the Clippers anymore. Since they moved to Staples he has invested in his team. The Lakers would love to have the multi-million dollar practice arena he built, his payroll is reasonable, he just needed to hire a better GM. Money is not a problem for the Clippers, those days have been gone for years but the myth continues because it is easy to perpetrate.

by meercatjohn on Sep 3, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who hires the GM?

and gives him his direction? They have needed a new GM from moments after DTS hired whomever occupied the GM seat at any particular moment.

by MammothDodger on Sep 3, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

The same guy who recently fired him. What’s your point? Every team in every sport struggles with bad GMs/coaches/management from time to time.

by Michael White on Sep 3, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

mt point is DTS makes bad choices for GM.

by MammothDodger on Sep 3, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's only made two:)

at least he keeps the bad decisions to a minimum.

Some would say that is what Frank and DTS have the most in common.

by meercatjohn on Sep 3, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

hope not, but probably

Some would say that is what Frank and DTS have the most in common.

I am certainly thankful that my team had the logo at gm and built on a solid foundation that which still stands today under the guidance of Mitch.

by MammothDodger on Sep 3, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, but lots of owners hire the wrong GM.

Dunleavy had been the defacto GM for several years as Baylor noted in his lawsuit. It is easy to blame the GM for the Clipper troubles due to their incredible inefficancy when it came to the draft but the reality is that the Clippers simply have had some seriously bad luck.

No team has had as many franchise players have career altering injuries as the Clips. This is not hyperbole but fact. Would not shock me at all that Blake Griffin goes down again, or for Eric Gordon to blow out his knee during the World Cup or whatever this silly tournament is that he’s wowing everybody in.

by meercatjohn on Sep 3, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Clippers have been unfortunate that

in the years they had a really good pick, they could never get that one player to take them over the top.

The NBA is not a league where one slowly builds a team to eventually win a title, you can do that to compete in the playoffs but the NBA is a superstar league and outside of the rare teams like the 2004 Pistons (1989-90 teams too), titles are won with Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Tim Duncan, Shaq, Wade (and to a lesser extent KG, Allen and Pierce). Of course Jordan and Hakeem in the 90s, Magic, Bird with a sprinkling of Moses and Dr. J.

So if you mean can the Clippers get the 8th spot and make the playoffs before the Dodgers can win another division or Wild Card, absolutely. But for the Clippers to challenge for a title, Blake Griffin is going to have be something really special.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 3, 2010 10:49 PM PDT reply actions  

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