It Has Been A Bad September For Lilly, Dodgers
by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2010 3:00 PM PDT
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PrintTed Lilly looks to turn things around as the Dodgers face the Paders in the middle contest tonight at Dodger Stadium. In his last four starts, Lilly has given up 18 runs in 20 1/3 innings, and has an outside chance at actually leading the club in home runs allowed, despite being here for just two months.
| Pitcher | HR | IP |
| Carlos Monasterios |
14 |
83 2/3 |
| Vicente Padilla |
14 |
95 |
| Hiroki Kuroda |
14 |
182 |
| Clayton Kershaw |
13 |
196 1/3 |
| Ted Lilly |
11 |
54 2/3 |
| John Ely |
10 |
90 |
Tim Stauffer makes the start for the Padres, his fifth of the season. In his four starts, he has given up five runs in 20 innings, and four of those runs came last Thursday against the Cardinals.
Dodgers At The Mendoza Line
A batting average of .200 is considered to be at the so-called "Mendoza Line," named for Mario Mendoza, who often straddled that mark throughout his career. In reality, he hit .215 in his career, so if we adjust the line a bit, the Dodgers as a team in September are below the Mendoza Line. Here is a look at the culprits with 10 or more PA:
| Player |
PA |
AB |
H |
BA |
OPS |
| Lindsey |
10 |
10 |
1 |
.100 |
.200 |
| Johnson |
34 |
33 |
5 |
.152 |
.328 |
| Theriot |
57 |
49 |
6 |
.122 |
.355 |
| Mitchell |
25 |
24 |
2 |
.083 |
.413 |
| Podsednik |
27 |
26 |
3 |
.115 |
.456 |
| Blake |
63 |
59 |
12 |
.203 |
.525 |
| Furcal |
61 |
54 |
11 |
.204 |
.554 |
| Barajas |
36 |
33 |
7 |
.212 |
.581 |
| Kemp |
65 |
60 |
12 |
.200 |
.612 |
| Ethier |
64 |
52 |
10 |
.192 |
.728 |
| Team Totals |
659 |
595 |
123 |
.207 |
.583 |
There are 15 Dodgers with at least 10 plate appearances this month, and 10 of them are hitting .212 or worse. The Dodgers are averaging 2.56 runs per game in September, and are 5-13 for the month.
Happy Birthday
Tommy Lasorda turns 83 today, and 61 of those years have been spent with the Dodgers. Lasorda will be honored on the field before tonight's game, as the crowd will be invited to sing Happy Birthday to Tommy.
Sweet Lou Johnson also has a birthday, as he will turn 76 today. He will be on the field as well tonight, starting the festivities with "It's time for Dodger baseball." Johnson has been with the Dodger organization for 29 years.
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Game Time: 7:10 p.m.
TV: Prime Ticket, ESPN
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There are 15 Dodgers with at least 10 plate appearances this month, and 10 of them are hitting .212 or worse. The Dodgers are averaging 2.56 runs per game in September, and are 5-13 for the month.
Oh my
June
was that the team’s only good month?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2010 3:08 PM PDT reply actions
a 3 part season
Part 1: April- “Bad pitching from guys not named Jonathan Broxton is sinking this powerhouse offense!”
Part 2: (May-June)- “If only we could dump GA and Sherrill, this team would be unstoppable!”
Part 3: (2nd half)- “Who are these guys?! Where’d our team go?”
by sarcastro9 on Sep 22, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
i'm rec'ing this
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
you're welcome
I swear I’ve been saying part 3 for a LONG time now.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Also
April – “Hell yes, Charlie Haeger! He had 12K’s against the Marlins!”
"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."
I remember
John Ely can’t walk and chew gum at the same time, because he doesn’t walk anybody.
"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."
Or
George Steinbrenner could have traded for John Ely, but he couldn’t stand the thought of a Yankee having more control than himself.
Too soon?
Nope.
"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."
another one
April-“Kemp or Ethier, one of them will be the MVP!!”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
right
I knew there was one month that was good
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
In his last four starts, Lilly has given up 18 runs in 20 1/3 innings, and has an outside chance at actually leading the club in home runs allowed, despite being here for just two months.
And remember- this was the one trade that “worked out”! If Lilly doesn’t at least get offered arbitration, is it safe to say that counting all three transactions the last week of July, 2010 could have been the worst trade deadline for the Dodgers ever?!
Michael White
would say the fact we were making deadline deals to improve the team instead of shredding payroll makes your question a resounding yes.
I know I’d feel better about 2011 if McDonald, DeWitt, May, Lambo, Wallach, Pimentel were still on the team then Lilly, Theriot, and a player to be named later from the Rockies.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Was the Dotel trade the second worst trade in the Colletti era?
by Julio Nievas on Sep 22, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Even if Lambo is fertilizer (quite possible), giving away McDonald for NOTHING was simply a horrific use of resources.
I'm sorry Lambo is gone mostly for all the pun opportunities.
“Lambo was a top prospect… but… Lambo lower now.”
Fuck You Ruiz
by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Who’s had more value this year: All the Dodgers catchers combined, or Carlos Santana the few weeks he was alive? The answer may surprise you.
(It’s all the Dodgers catchers, but just barely)
by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m still surprised people are referring to it as the second worse. If you look in terms of upside only, then I guess it’d still “only” be his second worse. But there are so many other factors that make this one sooooooo much more unacceptable.
And you know something? Even with all the praises we’ve sung about Carlos Santana, I’m not even sure if the upside argument holds up, as he may not be more valuable than J-Mac AND Lambo. We will be watching…with dred.
At least
the argument stems from “These guys (Santana and McDonald) should be doing this for us!”. Since they are with Cleveland and Pittsburgh, respectively, at least they don’t have a chance to really hurt us in meaningful games.
"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."
Worst trade for me
as much as I abhored the Santana deal, I never envisioned Carlos turning into a monster, I simply didn’t think it was a good idea to trade an asset like him for a rental. I don’t think McDonald will touch the value of Santana but the McDonald deal was the most pointless deal Ned has ever made. And he severely weakened the team because now we need to fill the rotation spot Mcdonald could have filled.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
also
just looking at it from the receiving end ONLY, it’s not even close. The Dodgers did need a 3rd baseman, and Casey Blake did a very nice job filling in that year, and to SOME degree, helped the Dodgers make the postseason. I know there’s been debate as to WHAT degree, but there’s no doubt he helped. Contrast that with the Dotel situation, who was acquired to be a right hander out of the bullpen, when J-Mac already filled that role nicely in the 2nd half of last year. There’s much, much more, of course, but that fact ALONE nails it for me, in terms of which trade was worse.
I know at the time Michael White, myself and many others were firmly in the “Sell” camp as opposed to being buyers. Others wanted to buy, and some simply stand pat.
What I am wondering is if the Dodgers were buyers because Ned legitimately thought this team had a shot at a WS or playoffs after Manny came back and also wanted to do something to keep up his rep as far as his job goes OR if McCourt wanted Ned to try and do something to try and keep fans upbeat and keep coming to the stadium.
What I am wondering is if the Dodgers were buyers because Ned legitimately thought this team had a shot at a WS or playoffs after Manny came back and also wanted to do something to keep up his rep as far as his job goes OR if McCourt wanted Ned to try and do something to try and keep fans upbeat and keep coming to the stadium.
All snark aside, I think you have to take this trade, and probably every trade, at face value. Colletti might have been grasping at straws, but he saw a team that still had a shot and wanted to give them (what he saw as) help. I think that’s the only reasonable interpretation of his motives.
That said, I think he was fooling himself and the trades were foolish… but if they’d gone on a Rockies-like tear, I would have been wrong.
I was a stand pat advocate.
Fuck You Ruiz
by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
OR if McCourt wanted Ned to try and do something to try and keep fans upbeat and keep coming to the stadium.
I dont’ see any way Ned could have thought this was a world series contending team. He thought they could fight for the postseason and given the Padre collapse he was probably right. The problem was his team was not up to the task. However having Dotel or not having Dotel was not going make a hill of beans difference.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Very true. Also, I just never saw the “if they’d gone on a Rockies-like tear” in this team. I wanted to believe it wasn’t true, but I pretty much knew this team was done on July 31st.
Its just such a pitiful waste of resources, even if not one of the guys traded amounts to anything, they still could have been more useful in other trades at a later date.
You mean like Brandon Wood
Look I agree about the McDonald deal but it can also be said that at some point along the way you have to make a decision on what guys you are going to keep and what guys you are not because at some point like a dead fish, a prospect will soon begin to smell the longer he stays in your system.
But we are talking specifically
bout the McDonald deal not other deals. I don’t hink you can make a logical argument for the Dotel deal on any level.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Agreed
Especially since J-Mac himself was the very quality reliever (based on 2009 performance) that they were trying to acquire in Dotel.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
McDonald was a PTBNL in the Manny trade but we didn’t announce it. Then, when it was too late to just send him over there, we took on Dotel as a wash and used Lambo’s pot incidents to show why we used him to facilitate the deal.
"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."
Hey E
did you watch that Vlade Divac thing I posted on SBNLA?
by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Thanks for doing that. Did you get a press release? I got one, and I was going to post something later, but now I don’t have to! :)
by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I did!
I wasn’t sure which gig it was coming from, and now that I know you got one too, I have no idea what list I’m on that sent that.
by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps that PR firm works with the Galaxy?
by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
the only logic that makes sense to me is that’s I’m on ABC’s press list, I’d be hard pressed to believe all the other Galaxy beat writers got this release.
by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
and you just got it cause you’re awesome apparently
by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
This was an assumption on my part as well.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
exactly
You can argue that the Podsednik deal sucked…and you have, of course. But at least you can make a case for it. A weak one, but one nonetheless. There is literally no case on ANY level- win now, win later, financial, whatever- that the Dotel trade made any sense from day one, and I hope Ned has to answer for it later. So far, he’s really been spared by the press that the divorce has been generating.
Octavio Dotel is a reliever with a 10.8 K/9, James McDonald looked like he wanted to shoot himself every time he went out there. Who do you want in the playoff race?
There, trade justified.
by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
oddly enough
other than Ned himself, it was probably Belisario most responsible for the trade. I recall he went on the restricted list, the Dodgers were down a right-handed relief pitcher, and presumably, THAT’S where Ned got the idea that they “needed” Dotel.
(I know I’m a little late with this response, but work pulled me away for a few minutes. Stupid real life! :) )
by sarcastro9 on Sep 22, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
playoff race? Playoff race?!
J-Mac was the one guy besides Kuroda who shut the Phillies down in ‘08. He also had very solid numbers out of the pen last year. But ok, point taken. My counterpoint, though, even accepting that premise that J-Mac had trouble in pressure situations (and admittedly, that Phillies game wasn’t exactly a nail-biter), would be we only had about 5% chance ANYWAY at that point.
But ok, fair enough. This is a justification, and I guess if Ned really wanted to hold onto that point, he can do so. It wouldn’t make ME feel better, but it’s something, I guess.
by sarcastro9 on Sep 22, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I never liked the J-Mac was awesome in 2008 as justification for 2009. I mean, I wanted him on the team, but he simply never pitched in any game that mattered. Almost all his appearances were low leverage.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
not so much as justification for 2009
as justification for the fact that there was hope for him in 2010 and beyond.
Didn't he pitch well
in the post season which is also why he had some buzz headed into spring training besides being the minor league pitcher of the year.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Those are the games I meant
He was in mopup duty after playoff games were decided. They didn’t mean much to me.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
One of the best JMac looked last year was in extra innings when he went 3 scoreless and was still hitting 97 on the gun. If I wasn’t sold before, I was sold then.
by Michael White on Sep 22, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
My point, since I didn’t really explain it, is extra innings games are high leverage.
Sure it’s a small sample size to point to one game, but leverage indexes are a small sample size anyway particularly in a bullpen which had a lights out Kuo/Sherrill and Broxton. How many leverage appearances would he get? It would be limited to extra innings affairs.
by Michael White on Sep 22, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I was only talking about 2008
There was a lot of talk about McDonald being so successful against the Phillies in the playoffs as some sort of justification of his inclusion on the 2009 roster, but I didn’t think those mattered. I wanted McDonald on the team, but those Phillies’ games weren’t the reason.
As I already said, I thought he was great out of the bullpen in 2009.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone above said you have to take it at face value with Ned and I think that’s right.
He told anyone who would listen that he felt the team needed to be upgraded at bullpen and needed to add a SP. So he did it. He does not upgrade from within. That’s Ned.
Speaking of Ned, are we ever going to find out how long his contract is??
Why
does it matter, if McCourt is the owner, Ned is staying, if they get a new owner, well, he could clean house.
It was reported last year it was a 5-year extension, so through 2014.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
The details were never released by the club; I believe Diamond Leung reported it.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Even if there was no divorce, that trade doesn’t get any pub. It’s not like JMac was a “why didn’t we know about this guy” like the casual fan would have said about Santana. JMac was a guy most people didn’t like.
by Michael White on Sep 22, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
not the trade itself when it happened
but definitely the aftermath. It’s been getting a lot of press in Pittsburgh lately. Even Amazin’ Avenue (Mets) had a post about it recently. It’s not a frontline story, but it’s at least worth a snarky question or two from Simers by now. But he’s pre-occupied at the moment.
Simers: who the fuck is James McDonald?
Anyone that doesn’t post on a baseball blog doesn’t care at all about this trade because if they do remember McDonald, it ain’t fond memories.
by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I had plenty of non blog Dodger fans
talking about McDonald in the winter of 2008/2009. After the blow up in the rotation he was solid in the bullpen. You think non bloggers don’t notice these things? Season ticket holders watch the games every night, they don’t have time to blog, I think you are selling them short.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Okay, maybe not non-bloggers but people who read TJ Simers.
by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I certainly thought it was possible that they'd play better.
They’d only played like crap for two weeks at the point of the trades. At the break, two weeks earlier, they were only 2 games out of the division lead. Maybe Manny comes back sooner, and everyone else remembers how to hit, and they have a May-like August, and all is right with the world.
The problem with the trades is… there was a good chance that none of that would happen (and, in fact, it didn’t), and as a result, it was a lot of throwing good money after bad.
Fuck You Ruiz
by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter
if all of your scenarios come true, having Dotel does not increase their chances of winning.
I understand everything Ned did in trying to win with Podboy and Lilly. I understand nothing about the Dotel trade. Nothing. It was not like Kenley Jansen didn’t exist.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Can't really argue with that.
My only point is that I think you can take Colletti’s motivation at face value.
The trade is still dumb, but that doesn’t mean that Colletti made it in bad faith.
Fuck You Ruiz
by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure what you mean by bad faith
we are simply saying that based on circumstances the Jmac for Dotel trade was the worst deadline deal of the Ned era. And we said so when it was made.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
What I am wondering is if the Dodgers were buyers because Ned legitimately thought this team had a shot at a WS or playoffs after Manny came back and also wanted to do something to keep up his rep as far as his job goes OR if McCourt wanted Ned to try and do something to try and keep fans upbeat and keep coming to the stadium.
Colletti trying to keep his job = bad faith
McCourt trying to keep fans upbeat = bad faith
Colletti genuinely trying to improve the team — just getting it ass-backwards = good faith
Fuck You Ruiz
by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh,
we really disagree on what good faith / bad faith means. Nothing wrong with an owner trying to keep revenues at an acceptable level.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
The only deal that was made with only one thing in mind
Was letting Manny go on waivers, purely motivated by getting rid of his salary.
I mean he could have played part time regardless of how he felt about it.
I dont' see how any of this is bad faith
Mcdonald for Dotel was bad judgment. Bad faith would be telling fans we drafted Zach Lee with every intention of signing him but in reality had no intention of signing him. Or that we tried to sign Manny but actually didn’t. Those who floated by me, but neither came true.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
If the owner is demanding that his general manager trade two guys who are one year removed from being top prospects for a middle reliever, then I think the owner/franchise is acting in bad faith. Or, at the very least, the franchise is broken.
Look, Colletti answers to (the) McCourt(s), so I guess one does what one’s boss says. But it’s one thing if in your daily conversations you say “Manny Ramirez is available” and the owner tells you to find a way to swing that deal. Manny is a franchise player, so the franchise owner must get involved. It’s quite another thing when we’re talking about Dotel-for-McDonald and Lambo. If the owner is dictating that trade, something is wrong.
Fuck You Ruiz
by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
In what part of your brain do you think
Frank McCourt was advocating for Octavio Dotel. Good chance he doesn’t even know who the fuck he was. If he’s telling Ned he wants a competitive team for the stretch run I don’t see how you can stretch that to bad faith. I’d say only the most jaded fans would want a competitive team for the stretch run instead of giving up and selling assets.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Well that whole last sentence came out back assward
now I need to discuss work.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I don’t. That is my whole point. I was responding to this:
OR if McCourt wanted Ned to try and do something to try and keep fans upbeat and keep coming to the stadium.
Fuck You Ruiz
by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck that hurts to read.
I know I’d feel better about 2011 if McDonald, DeWitt, May, Lambo, Wallach, Pimentel were still on the team then Lilly, Theriot, and a player to be named later from the Rockies.
:(
Fuck Larry Bowa in 1980
Lilly has given up 18 runs in 20 1/3 innings, and has an outside chance at actually leading the club in home runs allowed, despite being here for just two months.
That is so funny.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Funny like syphillis is funny.
Fuck You Ruiz
by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
What's the likelihood of Uggla getting traded this offseason?
Not asking to us, just a general likelihood given his contract demands.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2010 3:28 PM PDT reply actions
I think the Marlins are under some pressure from MLB to start spending money after the financial leaks have brought more of their profits to light.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Even if they were to trade Uggla we would not be a target
unless your willing to trade Matt Kemp for Dan Uggla. What seemed laughable in April may not be so laughable today. I’m seeing Juan Encarnacion more and more.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
like i said
I just wanted to hear opinions on if they trade him, anywhere. I don’t think the Dodgers are a candidate for him.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I would say something about how McCourt should feels some pressure, but I’m pretty sure Loria actually has money, he’s just a cock.
Also McCourt has spent money, just didn’t work out.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Just for you Xei.
What might’ve been SS
Gritty McGritterson 2B
What should’ve been FR
Slappy McOppobloopshot 1B
Punching Bag for Dodgers Management CF
Greatest Dodger of All Time LF
The dude we got for Carlos Santana 3B
Ellis C
12-0 ERA under 1.50 was the idea P
Punching Bag for Dodgers Management CF
That still makes me laugh. More people are concerned with how management treated Matt Kemp then with his actual performance which was complete shit. As Craig said yesterday, Matt Kemp is barely hitting his 10% Pecota. Do you know how fucking hard that is? Let us just say that less then 5% percent of the hitters today will not at least reach their 10% pecota.
And I just made up that 5% but it is really fucking low.
One of the more amazing stories of 2010 is not how management treated Matt Kemp but how for the most part Dodger bloggers and commentators had his back even as his season careened into goo shit territory.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Most people react shitty when they are challenged in public. Not all people, but some. Kemp is apparently one of these guys.
No one in the front office talks about James Loney. Joe did the other day. James Loney is fuckin terrible. No one in management dogs Russell Martin. Not a very good player anymore.
Kemp has flaws that aren’t debateable. But when you come down on someone and they react poorly, you then need to pick them up. Just my crazy theories behind being a manager.
If Management Took Time To Criticize Everyone Who Sucks
Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. You’re cool. Fuck you. I’m out.
by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
My favorite response
“He’s making millions of dollars, he should suck it up and deal with it”.
As if how much you make changes the fact that you’re a human working as an employee whose employer has admonished him in front of the world.
"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."
Not sure what’s gotten into Phil. I mean, if Meercat had made these comments, sure, I get it…..
Fuck You Ruiz
by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
So Matt Kemp sucked
this year because Management didn’t kiss his ass, and demanded some accountability for the money he was making and it had nothing to do with the fact he can’t hit a fastball or lay off the outside slider? He was thinking, dang they don’t like me when he was on 1st base, which led to him having the worst stolen base% since 1974? Cool, at least we know it was all in his head and that he’s not a terrible baseball player. Cause that makes me feel very confident he’ll simply bounce back next year.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And given how James McDonald has blossomed
out from under the Dodger umbrella you could very well be right. But 162 games is a long time to be a hang dog.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I guess we should just publicly chastize all players no matter what when they get a raise.
That makes sense. People should be held accountable for their actions on and off the field, but it is none of my business who does it and when it happens.
That’s all I meant. And if you think he sucks and will continue to suck, that is your opinion and I respect the shit out of it. I personally think he needs to be loved on a little. But that is where you and I differ.
FTR
I think he sucks, I don’t think he will continue to suck. If he sucked because he was hang dog about how management treated him then I have little sympathy. As I said in the beginning it is fascinating to me how much sympathy he gets. I don’t recall a Dodger ever being this bad who gets this amount of sympathy. When I say bad, I mean in relation to how good he was leading upto this season. I get he’s gets a pass because he’s home grown and he gave us so much since he was brought up. I don’t want to write another article on his regression because I already did that and now everyone thinks I hate Matt Kemp. I don’t hate him, I simply don’t understand why he gets such a pass for being the biggest reason this has been a failed season. Is that hyperbolic?
Everyone else had question marks coming into this season, he had the fewest and may end the year with the most.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I don’t recall a Dodger ever being this bad who gets this amount of sympathy.
Beast mode.
"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."
He defined bad as compared to how good he was leading up.
Pierre performed exactly as he always did.
by Michael White on Sep 22, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s just the closest comparison that comes to my young brain.
I read the relative to expectations line, but if you take his 2009 as two halves, the half right after he started when he was superficially hot and the half when he cooled and was a miserable baseball player but had gained the sympathy of many fans to the point where a lot of people felt we should trade Manny and start Pierre in left for a full season, I think my example plays.
Judges?
"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."
When I say sympathy
it is in relation to this and other Dodger blog sites not the general public. It is a split world. The general public has always seemed to like Pierre and not welcome the gifts of Matt Kemp. Given that prior info, his fall this year has given them ammunition about what they had said in the past.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I don’t think he sucks. And that is a lot to put on his shoulders, that he is the biggest reason this has been a failed season.
I would take him over any regular player on our team. That is just me.
Manny was great this year. Raffy got hurt, but that isn’t an issue. James Loney is a wonderful talent and player. I mean stats show he is borderline useless. Ethier really progressed into the cleanup role. Casey Blake has been a great player all year.
Kemp has for sure been disappointing this year. I don’t want this to come off like he has been good. I am fighting a losing battle here.
My point has nothing to do with his numbers, it is how players get treated. He is the only guy that gets publicly ridiculed by the Dodgers. Thus it is his fault we suck. It makes no sense to me.
It would be different to me if Ned and Joe came out and said Loney is shit. Ethier can’t hit leftys. Furcal being hurt all the fucking time sucks. Manny was shit for the last 14 months he was here. The bullpen is Gawd awful (sans Jansen and Kuo). But no. It is Matt kemps fault.
With that, I will continue to defend him. Until someone from the Dodgers tells us how shitty the rest of the team is, I will defend Kemp.
Most people react shitty when they are challenged in public. Not all people, but some. Kemp is apparently one of these guys.
Careful Keith. You are getting close to an “assuming the cause” fallacy.
by Michael White on Sep 22, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
AKA, correlation does not equal causation.
by Michael White on Sep 22, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Not that i am comparing the two in any way on the field, but this sort of reminds me of Willie Mays. I read the recent biography on him, and there was a lot in there on how Mays really needed to be built up and encouraged. Leo Durocher was great at this, and while many people thought he was just coddling this young black kid. When Durocher was fired, the new manager (I think it was Alvin Dark) took a different approach and Mays struggled a bit on the field. The new manager, after seeing what happened, changed his ways more towards how Durocher dealt with Mays, and Mays’ play improved. Now, i’m not saying that kissing Kemp’s ass will make him the next Willie Mays, but the truth is that some people react differently to these types of things. Who knows if thats the case this year, but it might be something to think about.
by UCLADodger32 on Sep 22, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait, you did, right?
:)
"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."
It’s not me, it’s the x-FIP.
It’s science.
by Michael White on Sep 22, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Too bad he left out the Dodgers' moves
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&page=starting9/100922
Half decent article.
"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."
Teriyaki is out of my sphere
but there’s that Teri & Yaki place on Lake. no idea if it’s any good
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
We call that “Teri & Yucky” over here.
I like Flame Broiler, but there’s gotta be some other decent choices.
Not exactly a hard thing to make yourself
I really can’t think of any place where I ever said, damm, that is some good teriyaki.
You mean those places where they have ducks hanging and stuff? No thanks; not brave enough to try it.
Ducks
You have mixed up you Asian cuisines, BBQ ducks, which is excellent, are served at Chinese restaurants. Korean BBQ, traditionally is cooked at your table.
I ate at Road to Seoul in Korea Town on Sunday night; it was good.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Korean BBQ is one of the great joys in food
but there’s not a lot of it around Pasadena. There’s one place I know of on Colorado in east Pasadena that’s a Japanese & Korean BBQ place, but it may not be much compared to the Koreatown places.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
La Crescenta is turning into quite the Koreatown
I’ve noticed a few BBQ places there and I buy my kimchi ingredients at a store there.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Padres Lineup
per Dan Hayes / North County Times
Cunningham CF
Eckstein 2B
Tejada SS
Gonzalez 1B
Ludwick RF
Salazar LF
Torrealba C
Headley 3B
Stauffer P
Injured SS
Backup 2B
Pinky RF
Useless 1B
What the Fuck CF
Ape LF
Old 3B
Ellis C
Homerrific P
Fuck You Ruiz
by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually
Pussy CF
Greatest Player Ever 2B
Pussy SS
Gonzalez 1B
Pussy RF
Pussy LF
Pussy C
Pussy 3B
Pussy P
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Pussies are wonderful and should not be used in a negative way!
by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Comment of the day
and it had some stiff competition
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Sep 22, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
stiff competition
from Bobby Cox.
Fuck You Ruiz
by Humma Kavula on Sep 22, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Trying to ignore the bait
Hey, has anyone had a good abortion lately?
by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Your'e trying to trick us
There’s no such thing as a bad abortion
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
by mleadman on Sep 22, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
a story about Kevin Towers and the AZ bullpen?
by Eric Stephen on Sep 22, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Jay Jaffe tweeted earlier today
that he wished Towers was the GM instead of Ned, now that may be he wishes anyone else was the GM but that was what I was saying.
Sorry for the confusion but it is the right link.
For Underdog
I haven’t listened yet, but this week’s Comedy Death Ray Radio has this teaser: “Have you been waiting to hear Huell Howser explain Inception?”
Yes!
You mean he could have been dreaming this whole time? Wow!
by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats funny
I have Huell as a liked page on my FB. PBS was awesoke as a kid.
Fuck Larry Bowa in 1980
What the.....?
I ‘ve watched baseball since the late Mesozoic Age. I don’t recall ever seeing a team completely collapse offensively like this, other than a few chokes in the final week. Maybe Manny was spiking the water cooler with juice. This is an epic fail. Isn’t Donnie Baseball the hitting coach? Grounds for promotion?
Promote bad employees to management, that’s where they can do the least amount of damage.
by regfairfield on Sep 22, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Barring a miracle
does it really matter
who manages the AAAA Team
of next season …
by 68elcamino427 on Sep 22, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm glad the Diamnondbacks hired Towers.
I know what he can do, I was worried they would try someone new, and hit a home run.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I give him a lot of credit for having to figure out how to build a team in a ballpark that no one could compare to, with funds that all but a few teams couldn’t match.
"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."
He pretty much built the Padres team that was the best team in baseball from the 2009 ASG until a few weeks ago.
People don't think it be like this, but it do.
If that is the type of team
you want to go to war with, then that is cool. What I see is an incredibly lucky team who will be lucky to not be in last place next year unless the Dodgers beat them to it.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
When something bites you
you bite it right back
by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I said something, is your precious gift of life a thing? : p
by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
No….but she could be bitten by a thing!
I don’t want her biting things in the yard like Bear Grylls.
He has a show, “Man vs Wild” where he survives outside off the land for a period of time. He eats a lot of bugs and weird stuff on the show.
what’s with all these Man versus Nature shows? I want a Man/Nature tag team show all about composting and gardening and then a bunny gives everyone a hug
by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought you were all about english stuff girl?
Don’t you know rabbits are evil?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 22, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions
most saying
have something to them, but that is the stupidest saying ever.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
with all respect to my elders, I was playing with a phrase from Firefly
“What kind of crappy backwater moon is that place? If someone tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back”
-Malcolm Reynolds
by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I figured since you directed it a Keith
but I think I’ve heard that saying for 50 years and never understood it.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Nomar here doing ESPN. Talking with Torre and Aaron Boone on the field.
by Alex41592 on Sep 22, 2010 5:02 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
tonights an EntertainmentSPN broadcast? What they couldn’t get the Modesto Nuts?
by Josie Becker on Sep 22, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Way OT
Gilbert Arenas has a motion to dismiss lawsuit by a gun dealer in CA.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/09/22/gilbert-arenas-gun-dealer-lawsuit-silencers-beretta-pistols-nba-washington-wizards/
Another OT
Interesting article on the making of Goodfellas:
http://www.gq.com/entertainment/movies-and-tv/201010/goodfellas-making-of-behind-the-scenes-interview-scorsese-deniro?printable=true
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Dodgers rotation
Per Ben Maller:
Joe Torre on rotation changes: “Will send Kuroda, Lilly and Kershaw against Colorado next week.”
The original plan had Ely, Kershaw, Bills this weekend in Arizona, so I wonder if Torre is just flipping Ely and Kershaw Friday and Saturday.
New American Idol judges by the way...
Silverwidow, thoughts?
by Julio Nievas on Sep 22, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
You don’t want my thoughts.
But I don’t watch the show so I’ll leave the commentary to Eric and Silverwidow.
Eric this is for you. This is from the article above about Goodfellas
The only line in that scene that was actually scripted was the last one Spider says, which was “Go fuck yourself.”
I'm glad to see from the last topic
That any mention of relationship advice makes people think of me. Lol.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Like you weren't thinking it :P
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Also
with all the prospect talk and because I was looking up a bunch of our prospects the other day, I thought I might give it a shot to rank our top 30 prospects and see how it turns out. If I get the time to do it I’ll make a fan post so everyone can tell me how wrong I am.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
So might as well put him number 5 :D
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
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