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Kenley Jansen, One Armed Man

As the Dodgers look to sweep the Rockies this afternoon, the thoughts turn back to last night, and the performance of Kenley Jansen. Jansen got the final four outs for his third save, retiring Carlos Gonzalez and Troy Tulowitzki for the last two outs to end the game. It has been an amazing journey for Jansen, who 14 months ago was a catcher with a great arm who couldn't hit and now looks like a potential dominant closer in the making.

Among Dodgers with 20 or more innings in a season, in the 127-year history of the franchise, Jansen ranks...

In addition, the 102 batters Jansen has faced is the 9th most in Dodgers' history without allowing a home run since the club moved to Los Angeles.

For today's game, Carlos Monasterios gets the start, but I wouldn't expect him to last long. In his last four starts, the last coming on September 12, Monasterios has pitched a total of 12 innings, allowing a total of 36 baserunners and 13 runs. He last pitched five innings on July 30.

Today's matchup was supposed to be a battle of 22-year old pitchers, but with Clayton Kershaw shelved for the rest of the week, we will have to settle for one. Jhoulys Chacin is putting together quite a season for the Rockies. At 22, he is putting up better numbers than Ubaldo Jimenez did at age 24:

Pitcher
Year
Age
IP
BB/9
K/9
ERA
FIP
WHIP
Chacin
2010
22
132.1
3.94
8.91
3.26
3.49
1.270
Jimenez   
2008
24
198.2
4.67
7.79
3.99
3.83
1.435

By scoring nine runs last night, the Dodgers are now at 649 runs on the season, assuring they will average over four runs per game this year.

UPDATE: One night after declaring Clayton Kershaw's season over, the Dodgers announced today that he will in fact start Friday night at home, giving him one more start at Dodger Stadium. Chad Billingsley will start Saturday, followed by Ted Lilly Sunday.

Game Time:  12:10 p.m.

TV: Prime Ticket

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sweep of COL this year

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2010 8:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Like the shoutout in the caption

On that note, should we really use ERA at all when evaluating relievers? I can somewhat see the argument for ERA for starters since (for the most part) they are in control to start and end the inning. But with relievers and with the inherited runs issue, I don’t see how ERA is meaningful. I think x-FIP would be the way to go, but even something like tRA would make a ton of sense.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2010 8:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Until xFIP figures out how to deal with infield flies, I don’t like it much for anyone.

I agree though about using ERA. Just thought it was interesting to note.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure why they aren’t adjusting for infield fly balls. They are tracking that information. Seems like an easy change to the formula.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2010 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

How does xFIP handle inherited runners differently than ERA does?

by Xeifrank on Sep 29, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

xFIP (like FIP) has nothing to do with runs. It just measures the TTO with making an adjustment for HR/FB ratio.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, your quote above about ERA not handling inherited runners through me off, because xFIP doesn’t handle it either. But agree that xFIP much > ERA for many reasons.

by Xeifrank on Sep 29, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

apparently Adrian Gonzalez asked Ellis how Jansen even has an ERA

per the Yahoo team report…nice to see he already is getting major props from foes.

by Pure Azure on Sep 29, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

so does Monasterios start the season with the big league club next year? what was the point of carrying him all season long?

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 29, 2010 8:14 AM PDT reply actions  

He shouldn’t start the season with them.

The best use of him is to be able to have him start every five days in the minors, so he’s properly stretched out, so if the Dodgers actually need a starter at some point (they will; it always happens) they can (in theory) turn to Monasterios and reasonably expect him to pitch five or six innings with regularity.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

The point of carrying him all season long was to keep him in the organization, instead of being returned to PHI.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

such is the life of the rule V

but I was just wondering if hed be in AAA or with the big club..

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 29, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

just read that

interesting read

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Weighing Dee Gordon

Scale could not reach a conclusive result as gravity had no effect on his ultra-light frame.

"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Two hours too late,

but this is precisely the joke I was gonna make when I read the phrase.

Well, not precisely. G. Scott did it better. Kudos.

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting, but ultimately pointless since players listed weights aren’t accurate at all.

The conculsion it comes to, skinny players can be good if they walk, don’t strike out, and play good defense, can be said about any player with little power.

by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Certainly isn't conclusive

But it does suggest that dude needs to be an all-world defensive SS, or find some way to double (at least) his walk rate, if he’s ever gonna be more than Juan Castro.

by EMDarrow on Sep 29, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

this made me chuckle

“It’s not weight that troubles me about Gordon. If Gordon had any chance to be the second coming of Ozzie Smith, that would be good enough. "

Yeah, if Gordon had any chance at being a Hall of Famer someday, I SUPPOSE that might make us all feel a little bit better about him!

by sarcastro9 on Sep 29, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

If Dee Gordon had any chance to be the single greatest defensive baseball player who ever lived, that would be good enough.

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I enjoy Jansen's success because

otherwise, I think I would be inconsolable.

Leading the league in OMGs || Proud owner of a Chad Billingsley Real Doll

by Maddz on Sep 29, 2010 8:43 AM PDT reply actions  

what about Billz

resurgence?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I figure

the less I think about Billz and the less I watch him, the better he does.

Leading the league in OMGs || Proud owner of a Chad Billingsley Real Doll

by Maddz on Sep 29, 2010 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

then stop thinking about John Ely so much

maybe he’ll throw a perfect game his next start

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

The positives are all pitchers

Jansen, Kuo, Bills, Kershaw and Kuroda.

I’d say the only other guy who exceeded my expectations was Carroll, but it’s not like he’s a significant figure in the long term. I guess Gibbons (still not sold) and Barajas did as well, but none of these guys are particularly relevant. So, going into next year, we have 4 pitchers to count on, 2 starters and 2 relievers.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

last night’s text in question was who is the team’s MVP between Ethier, Loney and Carroll. Carroll had 64% in the 5th and Ethier had 65% in the 7th. regardless, that question is like asking “Who is our biggest player advocate? a) Bob Schaeffer, b) Larry Bowa, c) Ned Colletti”

"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I believe the question was which position player

That Jamey Carroll is 3rd or 4th in WAR among position players is all we need to know about the 2010 Dodgers.

The exclusion of Furcal was criminal, yet understandable given how much time he has missed.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, the question was position player

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I meant my remark more as “asking which position player was most valuable is like asking which 1940’s dictator was your favorite”

There is no right answer.

"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

charlie steiner had some tragic stat

about bills, clayton, hiroki and lilly throwing 3.3 era ball after the all star break and having an 18-23 record to show for it.

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 29, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Broxton

talking about him, my Dad and I were saying it would probably do him some good to shed some weight in the offseason. I know he’ll always be a big guy, but keeping fit and conditioned would probably help going forward

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2010 8:56 AM PDT reply actions  

I don’t know if he’s fat, but I’ve never seen him up close. I would assume if that were an issue, the trainers/coaches would be all over him. Can anyone who has seen him up close hazard a guess regarding his body composition?

Leading the league in OMGs || Proud owner of a Chad Billingsley Real Doll

by Maddz on Sep 29, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying that's his problem

I’m just saying going forward, as he gets older, he’s gonna need to watch his weight. Might as well get started now.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

The other day someone posted a photo of Ox in Jacksonville, and I was struck by how much larger he looks now.

by Little Blue Bicycle on Sep 29, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m assuming that was my Las Vegas Four photo.

by silverwidow on Sep 29, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, now that you mention it.

by Little Blue Bicycle on Sep 29, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I really don’t see him as that overweight, and I’m not sure why dropping weight would help him with velocity or control.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

as I said

I don’t think Broxton’s weight is a problem this season, just something he should think about going forward. As for velocity, if he’s out of shape he’s not gonna throw as hard. Again, it’s just my thought.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

missed the news on ck being shelved

guess it is a good thing to shut him down now, over 200 innings, 212ks, whip of 1.179, 9.3Ks/9

Can you say ACE!

02-15-2011

by MammothDodger on Sep 29, 2010 8:58 AM PDT reply actions  

we're the only ones

who can

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

so what's the bigger story of the offseason?

Where does Cliff Lee sign? or Who will acquire Prince Fielder?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2010 9:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Im gonna be lazy and say Cliff Lee signs with the Sox or Yankees.

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 29, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Phillies chose the longer NLDS format, starting Wednesday, as expected. The can pitch three starters and have them on regular rest for games 4 and 5.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 9:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Subjec title

I would imagine that the Giants would then do the same, but are Lincecum and Cain scheduled to pitch over the weekend against the Padres? Giants would obviously love to clinch by Friday night,

G1. Lincecum
G2. Cain
G3. Sanchez/Bum
G4. Lincecum
G5. Cain

by Xeifrank on Sep 29, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

There is only one NLDS that starts Wednesday. The team with the best record gets to choose.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was ass-u-ming

that the Giants played the Phillies in the first round in my post. But it could likely be the Reds.

by Xeifrank on Sep 29, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ahhh

Good call.

But the Giants can pitch Lincecum on 183 days rest instead :)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

There are two ways the Phillies can play the Giants

assuming the Giants make the playoffs, if San Diego wins the division and the Giants are the Wild Card team or if Cincinnati has a better record than the Giants and Atlanta is the Wild Card team.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 29, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

The best case scenario is for the NL West winner to have a better record than the Reds, so that I can have two clear teams to root for in each NLDS.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

BTW for television purposes

I think they would prefer the Giants and Padres making the playoffs with the Giants having better record than the Reds. Then you could have the Giants play in the last slot on Thursday and Friday and have the Padres play the late slot on Sunday.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 29, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Does your sim have the Padres down to about 10%?

"We were never friends"

by delias man on Sep 29, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Padres

all the NL playoff chances are here. Unlike BP and Cool Standings I simulate each of the remaining games with the actual projected starting pitching matchups to get a weight for each game. That is why my results are a little more favorable to the Giants and less so to the Padres.

by Xeifrank on Sep 29, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was looking for a link on sidebar before asking.

"We were never friends"

by delias man on Sep 29, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

According to cool standings

Padres had a 97.2% chance of making the playoffs in late August. That was their peak. That’s a pretty epic collapse.

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

If they miss, that is. They haven’t missed it yet.

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Looks like they are just not going to make it.

"We were never friends"

by delias man on Sep 29, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed that it looks that way, but as they face the Giants this weekend… stranger things have happened.

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

And the sad thing is

What? Padres? Dude, its Chargers season!

by EMDarrow on Sep 29, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, that was interesting.

The sad thing is, given their attendance, barely anyone will care.

by EMDarrow on Sep 29, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Major league baseball needs better marketing. It’s been that way at least since the strike.

by sarcastro9 on Sep 29, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

The worst part is that looking back it will not even be an exciting collapse. It was predicted since April and was a long, slow death. They got caught by a bunch of assholes too, not a likeable bunch like 95 6org.

"We were never friends"

by delias man on Sep 29, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

The 13 game losing streak expedited things.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rockies lineup

Fowler CF
Herrera 2B
CarGo LF
Tulo SS
Helton 1B
Spillborghs RF
Stewart 3B
Olivo C
Chacin P

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 9:11 AM PDT reply actions  

The extra l added to Spilborghs is for today’s Rockies’ loss.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I figured it was for all those spilled dairy products they are crying over.

"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gagne -> Saito -> Broxton ->Jansen?

The Dodgers cycle of dominant closers? As the door closes on one closer, a new door opens on another.

by Xeifrank on Sep 29, 2010 9:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Kuo inserts himself in at #4

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m thinking longer term. I would love for Guo to be a long term successful closer, but figure he is just stop gap for either Broxton to return to form or Jansen to take over.

by Xeifrank on Sep 29, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Kuo lasts next season as closer (a big if, I know) his run will be about half a season shorter than Broxton.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah – if he goes two seasons in total as a great closer I will add him to the chart. :)

by Xeifrank on Sep 29, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers lineup

Oeltjen LF
Theriot 2B
Loney 1B
Kemp CF
Mitchell 3B
Johnson RF
Ellis C
Hu SS
Monasterios P

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 9:53 AM PDT reply actions  

I'd say house money lineup

But is there really a difference any more?

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

With this season you can't use that term

This year is the equivalent of my first trip to Vegas, where I lost all my money in the first hour.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Sep 29, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

was really looking forward to seeing Kershaw pitch. He is my highlight of the season.

by DodgerSF on Sep 29, 2010 10:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Check back on April 1

"We were never friends"

by delias man on Sep 29, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

They heard you

some come down to LA on Friday

by bhsportsguy on Sep 29, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

what’s happening in LA on Friday?

by DodgerSF on Sep 29, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

And now it looks no 200 IP for Kuroda

DodgertownUSA
Kershaw will now start on Friday night. Billingsley will start Saturday and Lilly on Fan Appreciation Day.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 29, 2010 10:18 AM PDT reply actions  

He can pitch in relief

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

OK maybe not

per Dylan H:

Kuroda won’t pitch on Sunday…

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you going just to make sure Joe is actually leaving?

"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, I guess Clayton isn't done

per the Dodgers:

Kershaw will now start on Friday night. Billingsley will start Saturday and Lilly on Fan Appreciation Day.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 10:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Shouldn’t the only goal of this season be “make sure our only good players arms don’t fall off”

by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

But

is it really a risk, I mean an injury could happen anytime why would one more game be any more riskier than any other time of the season?

by bhsportsguy on Sep 29, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

The likelihood of them getting hurt throwing a baseball is higher of the likelyhood of them sitting in their room playing Halo. I’m not saying it’s a good chance, but it’s risking injury for literally no reason.

by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

This was all an elaborate plan to get Torre’s fantasy baseball opponent to drop Kershaw.

He needs to win some championship on his way out.

by Alex41592 on Sep 29, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

BTW

Ted Lilly pitching on a nice sunny day in LA with D-Backs swinging for the fences, look out bleachers.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 29, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Every bad outing Lilly has now reduces his value for his next contract.

Assuming we want him back, it’d be great if he got shelled.

People don't think it be like this, but it do.

by MartinGreen on Sep 29, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m fine with this. But, get your shit together. He’s done, now he’s starting Friday.

by Alex41592 on Sep 29, 2010 10:23 AM PDT reply actions  

+1

There are reasons for and against a Kershaw start. But the going back and forth is weird.

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Midwest League Top 20

…comes out Friday.

I expect A. Webster and M. Magill to make a dent there.

by silverwidow on Sep 29, 2010 10:34 AM PDT reply actions  

I would like to see a one game playoff on Monday between Atlanta and SF/SD.

by silverwidow on Sep 29, 2010 10:43 AM PDT reply actions  

wouldn't it be

the third year in a row that a playoff spot had to be decided with a playoff game?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

right

amazingly, I forgot about Rockies/Padres in 2007

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s mostly because nobody gives a shit about Rocktober :)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

heh heh

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

you mean

Rockover

"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would like to see a one game playoff on Monday between SF and SD with the loser facing Atlanta on Tuesday. Nobody would have a clue who is playing who until that game ended Tuesday.

by Alex41592 on Sep 29, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here's something I can't figure out

(1) If SF, SD, and ATL all finish with the same record, then SF and SD play each other to determine who is the NL West Champ, and then the loser plays ATL to determine the wild card — is that correct?

(2) But playoff games count as regular season games, right? So if they all finish with the same record, then wouldn’t the loser of the SF/SD game then have a worse record than ATL — making ATL the wild card without a game?

I’m caught in this hopeless contradiction! Help me out!

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bug Selig wins again.

by Alex41592 on Sep 29, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Both are true, but the common sense clause is enacted as to make the Braves work for it.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Easy fix

“Game 163 (and 164, and whatever)” games should not count as regular season games.

Fixed, easy peasy lemon squeezy.

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup, that’s some urgent business right there.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

With the Dodgers looking hopeless in the near and medium-term future,

I got nothing better to do than look for bees to fill this bonnet of mine.

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

In the end, the wild card winner ends up with a better record than the team it beat anyway, so no big.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

If the Giants need Lincecum and Cain just to get into the playoffs, they’re screwed.

by silverwidow on Sep 29, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

How the heck did the Dodgers get anyone halfway alive in exchange for Preston Mattingly?

From Ken Gurnick on twitter:

Don Mattingley’s son Preston, a Dodgers Minor Leaguer, was traded to the Indians for outfielder Roman Pena.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 29, 2010 10:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Gurnick’s phone is jacked. That twitter for iPhone app is crap. It seems every couple of weeks, when Gurnick gets around to using it, it sends a previous tweet, somehow saved as a draft, first, then sends his new one.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

The trade was old news but I thought it was for a PTBNL then?

Anyway I hadn’t seen that it was for Pena til now (even if it’s an iPhone regurgitation).

Anyone know anything about Pena other than that he must not be that good.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 29, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was reported at the time as a trade for Peña

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

you might be thinking of the Dotel trade, for a PTBNL

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah righto

Or I just totally blanked all that out of my mind.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 29, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

the trade

or Dotel’s tenure as a Dodger?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

ALL OF IT!

;-)

Come to think of it, Gurnick’s twitter profile uses a generic picture of an egg so that should be a dead giveaway he doesn’t know how to use it.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 29, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sunday called and it wants its tweet back.

by silverwidow on Sep 29, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brand new information.

by Alex41592 on Sep 29, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll bet the Indian fans are saying the same thing about Roman Pena

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

He does at least sound like a character in a telenovela, or a Gabriel Garcia Marquez novel.

Tho Preston Mattingly sounds like someone from an 80s nighttime soap opera.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 29, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ned Colletti

wrote Preston out of the show, to be replaced by saucy Latino Roman Pena

DRAMA!!!!!!!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Roman Pena.

He’s already 23 and has a career .244/.332/.379 rate in the minors.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=pena—001rom

by Tripon on Sep 29, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

But he got 4th one year in the Org rankings at Fangraphs.

by Tripon on Sep 29, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

is that the year he traded Blake for Santana?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

ah

I forget the Indians were pretty good not too long ago

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s hard to, they’ve had two seasons over .500 in the Shapiro era.

by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

From Baseball Prospectus

and Jay Jaffe. Carlos Monestarios is tied for second place in the majors for the most start with less than five innings pitched, having done so seven times. He can’t catch A.J. Burnett at ten, but he could get 2nd place all to himself today.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 29, 2010 11:23 AM PDT reply actions  

yay

"We were never friends"

by delias man on Sep 29, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Amazing, given that he only has 12 starts.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not so amazing. He never had the endurance to start.

by Tripon on Sep 29, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

We have to give him every chance to fail. trades James McDonald

by regfairfield on Sep 29, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who was it that said the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 29, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Meg Whitman.

"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."

by G.Scott on Sep 29, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Monk

I was wondering about Monasterios, thinking since he had better numbers as a reliever that he might show similar traits in his starts (i.e. does he fade after two innings?).

Turns out he has just been bad in general while starting:

First 2 innings of starts: 5.79 ERA, 1.757 WHIP, 7.19 FIP
Remaining IP of starts: 5.33 ERA, 1.500 WHIP, 5.57 FIP

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 11:35 AM PDT reply actions  

In fairness to Monk

you could argue that many capable pitchers who should have been at AA or AAA at a given point in their career, yet were forced to do an entire season in big leagues, might not do a whole lot better than he did. My biggest concern about whether he’ll get any better is that he doesn’t throw particularly hard. (Seems to hit 90+ more than Ely, though that’s not saying very much, is it?)

by sarcastro9 on Sep 29, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I actually think he has better stuff than Ely. He also has a change up and can touch 93 on his fastball. I think he throws a curve too.

I do agree with your point though. As Tripon points out above, letting Monk be adequately stretched out may be the key to having him pitch like he’s been stretched out.

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think his stuff is quite that good. 90-91 at best with a decent change. The problem is that both pitches are straight and I’ve never seen him throw an effective curve.

by silverwidow on Sep 29, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I mean we won’t really know anything about him until he gets a chance to stretch out and start every fifth day.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone catch Burns’ “the Tenth Inning” last night? I recorded it but didn’t watch.

by KellyStephen on Sep 29, 2010 11:40 AM PDT reply actions  

It was alright. Still pretty cool to see the highlights.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 29, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

They changed up the style a bit

Not quite that Civil War, original Baseball and Jazz, camera shots of pictures, more voice overs on clips. One thing about pre-“enhanced” Barry, he still had a very quick swing.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 29, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Recorded, will watch later.

by silverwidow on Sep 29, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fan Appreciation Day

I just received tickets for Sunday’s Fan Appreciation Day game. I’ve never been to one. Other than random prizes is there anything else they do before/during/after the game?

by hthr on Sep 29, 2010 11:40 AM PDT reply actions  

giveaways between innings

and the big raffle after the game

"We were never friends"

by delias man on Sep 29, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

i hope I do not win the tickets to watch Mason and Ireland show

"We were never friends"

by delias man on Sep 29, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't it too bad that the Judge could not say this to the McCourts today

Frank and Jamie, you two can have my answer now, if you like. My final offer is this: nothing. Not even attorneys fees or spousal support.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 29, 2010 11:45 AM PDT reply actions  

I don’t understand. Nothing from who? How could they both get nothing from their assets?

by Michael White on Sep 29, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

C'mon

its my salute to the Michael Corleone.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 29, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought it was cool

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 29, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

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