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2010 Dominican Dodgers Season in Review


Starting with the DSL Dodgers, I will be recapping each of the Dodgers minor league seasons.  The posts will be pretty extensive, and as a result I’ll be including some information about a lot of players.  Please keep in mind that just because I am writing about a player, that doesn’t mean he is a prospect.  I simply wanted to do a fairly in depth position by position breakdown of each of the Dodgers minor league teams.  While I’ll usually mention if a guy is worth keeping an eye on, you’ll have to wait for my upcoming prospect ranking to fully understand who I consider prospects and who are simply organizational players.  I hope you enjoy this series.

Record:  40 – 31

Season Result:  3rd place in their division, 2.5 games out of first place

Season Recap:   The Dominican Dodgers had a pretty good season, finishing 9 games over .500.  They went 16 – 11 in June and 15 – 9 in July before wavering down the stretch with a 9 – 9 mark in August, which caused them to miss the playoffs.  The Dominican Dodgers were known in 2010 for their solid pitching, and yet their hitting was also pretty decent when compared to the league as a whole.  The Dodgers ranked 9th in the league with a 2.83 ERA (out of 34 teams), and their hitting ranked 12th with a .241 team batting average.  However, while a couple of players emerged as pitching prospects for the Dodgers, nobody really stood out as a potential hitting prospect. 

League Leaders: 

Category

Player

Rank

Amount

Doubles

Webster Rivas

10th

16

Wins

Leonel Beras

2nd

8

Starts

Leonel Beras

1st

15

HR Allowed

Luis Rosano

3rd

5

 

Offensive MVP:  Nobody really stood out at the plate this season for the Dodgers, but based on overall stats I’m going to have to give this award to Jose Ramirez.  The 22 year old isn’t a prospect by any means, but did rank among the DSL Dodgers leaders in several offense categories.  His 5 homers were tops on the team, as was his .763 OPS (for batters with at least 80 at bats).  He also ranked 2nd with 33 RBI’s and 14 SB’s, and did not make an error all season while playing all over the outfield. 

Best Offensive Prospect:  To be honest, there isn’t really an offensive player on this team who can currently be considered a legitimate Dodger prospect.  There are maybe one or two guys who have potential and might turn into prospects in the future, but right now the pickings for this award are pretty limited.  That being said, I’ve selected Abdul Nieto as the best offense prospect despite the fact that he has posted awful stats since his debut in 2009.  The 18 year old hit just .176 with 1 homer in 91 at bats this season, which was actually an improvement from last year.  So why is he the best offensive prospect?  Well he is a big guy at 6’3" and has shown pretty good patience at the plate.  Also, he was actually listed as one of the better prospects coming out of Panama prior to the 2009 season, which makes him pretty much the only guy on the team who was even mentioned by a baseball website prior to signing.  In addition, he is still very young, and while he played 1st base this season, he roamed the outfield last season which is where I’m hoping he’ll end up.  Finally, like I said above, there just isn’t anybody else worthy of this award.

Star-divide

Pitching MVP:  There we a couple of qualified candidates for this award, but I am going to have to give the honor to Daniel Tamares.  Despite hurling 57.1 innings in 2010, Tamares fell just short of qualifying for the league leaders in ERA and WHIP because he was shut down in early August for some unknown reason.  But if he had thrown just a couple of more innings, he would have ranked 8th in the league with his 1.41 ERA, and his 0.77 WHIP would have placed 3rd.  In addition, batters hit just .141 against him, and he ranked 2nd on the DSL Dodgers with 5 wins.  Another remarkable thing about his season is that over his final 4 starts, which spanned 25 innings, Tamares allowed just 6 hits.  2010 was Daniel’s 4th season in the DSL, but he is still just 20 years old so it is possible that the Dodgers will give him a chance in a US based league in 2011.

Best Pitching Prospect:  I’m giving this award to Leonel Beras, who was also a strong candidate for the team’s Pitching MVP award.  Beras just turned 19 this past May, yet already has 3 years of professional experience under his belt.  He was very good in his 17 year old debut season in 2008, posting a 2.18 ERA in 20 innings, but his ERA ballooned to 7.07 in 2009.  He got back on track in 2010, however, with a 2.26 ERA with a team high 71.2 innings while striking out almost a batter per inning.  His FIP was also very good at 2.99 for the season.  The left handed Beras is listed at just 5’11" and 143 pounds, but those measurements haven’t changed since he was 17 so I’m guessing he’s bigger now.  I’m sure he’ll move to the Arizona Rookie League in 2010 so he can face some tougher competition.

 

1st Base: Webster Rivas was the team’s primary 1st baseman, but despite leading the team in both doubles and RBI’s, he isn’t much of a prospect.  The other note about Rivas is that he is extremely tough to strikeout (just 12 K’s in 239 plate appearances).

Carlos Mercedes also spent some time at 1st base, and actually posted a pretty good OPS of .779 considering that the DSL Dodgers team OPS was just .644 for the season.  However, in his 2nd season with the Dodgers, the 19 year old Mercedes struck out in over 40% of his plate appearances.

Finally, the aforementioned Abdul Nieto spent 10 games at 1st base, and was the DH in all his other appearances.  As I wrote above, however, I still hope he ends up in the outfield.

 

2nd Base:  Leo Rodriguez played the most games at 2nd base, although he also spent time at 3rd base and shortstop.  Rodriguez is 18 years old and held his own at the plate with a .277 average and a .682 OPS.  The 5’11" infielder also demonstrated great plate discipline and made good contact as he walked almost as much as he struck out in 2010.

Delvis Morales also played quite a bit of 2nd base, but shortstop was his primary position so I’ll talk about him later.

 

3rd Base:  Jorky Infante was the Dodgers everyday 3rd baseman, and made 13 errors at the hot corner in 49 games.  At the plate, however, Infante proved to be a pretty good all around player, hitting .270 with a couple of homers and stealing 13 bases.  A switch hitter, Infante also showed good plate disciple as he walked 28 times against just 27 strikeouts.

Faustino Oguisten played all over the infield, but played the most games at 3rd base.  The 2nd year player only got 83 at bats during the season and hit .253 without a homer.

 

Shortstop:  Delvis Morales was main shortstop for the Dodgers this season, but he isn’t much of a prospect because he is already 20 years old, made 17 errors at the position, ,and hit .220.  He is slightly intriguing, however, because he is a switch hitter, and because he is yet another patient hitter as he lead the team with 37 walks (against just 33 strikeouts). 

Vladimir Martinez, who joined the team halfway through the season, is probably the better shortstop prospect because he is barely 18 years old and is also a switch hitter.  He is already 6’2", however, so if he keeps growing he may have to find another defensive position.

 

Catcher:  Seven different players put on the gear for the Dodgers this season, but not all of them are worth mentioning.  Josmar Cordero played the most innings behind the plate and by far had the best season among the bunch.  Cordero threw out 48% of potential base stealers, and also had a very strong showing with the bat.  He finished 2nd on the team with 4 homers, and had a .705 OPS.  He also played the entire season as an 18 year old, so he is still pretty young.

The only other catcher worth mentioning is Jose Capellan.  Capellan was with the team in 2009, but he did not join the 2010 club until late July for an unknown reason.  He did his best to make up for lost time, however, hitting .323 in 46 at bats to go along with a .828 OPS.  He is about to turn 20 years old, however, so he’ll have to move to a US based league next season or else his career is probably finished.

 

Outfield:  The Dodger outfield was relatively strong in terms of stats, and also contained a couple of young players that could have some potential.  The team MVP, Jose Ramirez, was the main right fielder, although he also spent some time in center.  You can read more about his season above.

18 year old switch hitter Gregory Pena was the primary center fielder, and I had some high hopes for him before the season started.  But unfortunately his offensive stats were pretty dismal in his professional debut as he hit just .212 in 179 at bats.  He does have some speed, however, as he stole 14 bases.

Arce Rodriguez played left field, and he is another player I was hoping would succeed.  Rodriguez won’t turn 18 years old until December, so the good news is that he gained a full year of experience before even becoming an official adult.  The bad news is that A-Rod hit .222 and showed dismal plate disciple with 3 walks in 154 plate appearances. 

A couple of other guys spent a pretty significant amount of time at both outfield positions, but there isn’t much to write about either Ronny Lugo or Ricardo De La Rosa.

 

Starting Pitchers:  In addition Leonel Beras and Daniel Tamares, who I already wrote about above, there were three other main starting pitchers for the Dodgers.  Giordanny Chavez was by far the most impressive of the bunch, although his peripherals don’t really compliment his ERA of 1.85.  The 19 year old had a FIP of 3.73, and he only struck out 6.22 per inning.  Nevertheless, Chavez has a good pitchers frame at 6’3" and could potentially turn into a prospect next season if he gets promoted to the Arizona League.

Luis Mesa also had a pretty good season, and in fact had a better FIP than Chavez at 3.18.  The 6’4" righty also had a solid ERA of 3.02 in 56.2 innings, and improved dramatically from last season when he posted a 6.37 ERA.  Mesa is 20 years old and is another candidate to move up to the Arizona League next year. 

18 year old Moises Tamarez rounded out the Dodgers rotation, and with mediocre stats demonstrated that he can probably use another year of DSL seasoning.  His 4.06 ERA wasn’t bad, but he only struck out 5.7 batters per inning and batters hit .285 against him.  He’s 6’3" with a solid pitching frame and still very young, so he is still worth keeping an eye on.

 

Relief Pitchers:  Several Dodger relief pitchers had good seasons, and a few of those are guys are even young enough to be considered potential prospects.  Jackson Mateo, who played almost the entire season as a 17 year old, was actually the main closer for the Dodgers as he led the team with 7 saves.  He also was extremely impressive in his 22 innings as he posted a 1.23 ERA and a 1.00 WHIP to go along with a .169 batting average against.  Listed at 6’0", it is still possible for him to grow a few inches since he is still so young.

Abdiel Velasquez was equally impressive as he had a 2.53 ERA and a .150 batting average against in 32 innings, yet won’t even turn 18 years old until next March.  He is 6’3", so he already has the makings of a great pitcher’s frame.  He is definitely somebody to watch in 2011. 

Ariel Pena was on the opposite end of the statistical spectrum as he recorded an ERA of 5.29 to go along with a 7.14 FIP, but he’s worth mentioning because he is still just 18 years old and already stands at 6’4". 

Finally, Adner Ruiz, Leandro De Dios, Ariel Botello, and Victor Araujo all also had good seasons in relief, but all are too old to be taken seriously as prospects.

Poll
Should anybody on the 2010 Dominican Dodgers team be taken seriously as a potential Dodger Prospect?
Nope - no players on this team will ever amount to anything
27 votes
Yes - the young pitchers like Leonel Beras have some potential
19 votes
Yes - some of the hitters are young hitters to break out in the future
1 votes
Yes - both the young hitters and young pitchers are worth keeping an eye one
8 votes

55 votes | Poll has closed

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Can I vote for “Nope, because it’s the DSL. Talk to me in three years when they’ve made it to Ogden”?

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by G.Scott on Sep 30, 2010 8:07 AM PDT reply actions  

I will at least pay attention

and see if Beras, Tamares, Chavez or Mesa and the catcher Cordero move to a US league and do anything of note. Probably not prospects, but they’re young enough to perhaps do something.

by BFDC on Sep 30, 2010 8:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Lilly (previous thread)

Roughly what might he make if the Dodgers offered arbitration and he won?

by Little Blue Bicycle on Sep 30, 2010 8:36 AM PDT reply actions  

If he won, $12-13MM, but that assumes the Dodgers are idiots and they go to arbitration, lowball him and lose.

by Michael White on Sep 30, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks, I was trying to imagine Ned’s worst case scenario.

by Little Blue Bicycle on Sep 30, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

It would be one heck of a move by Lilly’s camp. Come out today annoucing that they want a 3 year deal, essentially dare the Dodgers to offer arbitration, and then accept arbitration. I’d be impressed if the plan all along was to bait the Dodgers into offering arbitration where Lilly does stand to make (IMO) at least 8 figures for 1 years worth of work.

by Michael White on Sep 30, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

kinda what I was thinking

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by G.Scott on Sep 30, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Lilly was a free agent (no strings attached) but could only sign a one year deal with any team. What do you think he would make? In other words what is his one year deal market value?

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with Eric

probably 8.

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by G.Scott on Sep 30, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

WAR last five years

06: 2.3
07: 3.6
08: 2.7
09: 3.7
10: 1.9

So basing off of his 2010 WAR then $8M is pretty accurate. A three year 5/4/3 weighting puts him at 2.7 WAR, which is probably around $11M. He is getting older so the more recent number is probably what you want to weight a little more. Anywhere in the $7.5M to $10M range is reasonable.

1Y, $8M
2Y, $14M
3Y, $18M

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

after his agent asked for a 3 year deal

wouldn’t it be dumb for us not to offer arbitration? hat is, if we take him at face value. He could just be saying that so we offer arbitration and he snags his 13mil salary.

If I thought that were the case, I’d begin negotiations on a 3 year deal now, then say “as a formality” offer arbitration, then he should decline assuming he’s getting a 3 year deal with us, then if the deal falls through or we lowball down to 1-2 years, we’d still get our picks.

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by G.Scott on Sep 30, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re:

if we take him at face value

Agents, well at least good agents (Dave Stewart, please sit down), are always (always!) posturing and positioning for their client. Taking anything at face value is at risk.

That being said, i’d offer arbitration in a heartbeat.

by KellyStephen on Sep 30, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would tend to think Lilly is more of a risk to accept arb than Wolf was last year, and we all know how that went, so I’d be pretty shocked to see the Dodgers offer arb.

by BFDC on Sep 30, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Last year we had more then 2 pitchers under contract

and Lilly has more of a track record of success then Wolf

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the opposite now

1) As nolander mentioned, the Dodgers are more in need of pitching this offseason and will be more likely to offer

2) Lilly has pitched his way (especially in perception) into a situation in which he will have some good demand, good enough to decline arb

by Eric Stephen on Sep 30, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Trivia question

for the 2010 season, which MLB clubs had only 2 uniform options?

by LA Taco on Sep 30, 2010 9:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Dodgers & Yanks?

by Eric Stephen on Sep 30, 2010 9:33 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

you’re halfway there.

by LA Taco on Sep 30, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Red Sox

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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

nope. They have not one but two alternates this year.

by LA Taco on Sep 30, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

curses

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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll go with Cardinals and Royals. But I think the Cards go w/the red top sometimes so it’s probably the Mets. Uncle.

by KellyStephen on Sep 30, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cards is right. Royals have 2 alternates I think maybe even 3

by LA Taco on Sep 30, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought they had given that up…oh well. Guess I don’t get to Double Jeopardy.

by KellyStephen on Sep 30, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s all I could come up with. There’s gotta be more, right?

by KellyStephen on Sep 30, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers Tigers

"We were never friends"

by delias man on Sep 30, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

there we go

it’s Dodgers, Tigers, Cardinals, Yankees

by LA Taco on Sep 30, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

and out of the four

I think the Cards are the only ones that wear the team name on the away jerseys as well as home.

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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Login issues fixed

Nice to see that the SBN login issues are fixed.

We have corrected the log-in issues on @sbnation blogs. Log-in processes should be back to normal (including “Remember Me” functionality).

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 9:42 AM PDT reply actions  

I thought my bro was just f’ing with me.

by KellyStephen on Sep 30, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Read something that says WS games will start before 5pm PST. Hooray for not watching the world series.

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by G.Scott on Sep 30, 2010 9:56 AM PDT reply actions  

I guess Selig already KNOWS the Gnats or Pads won’t be in the WS.

by BFDC on Sep 30, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really, for ending games before midnight eastern?

by regfairfield on Sep 30, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your not drinking the kool-aid. Try again! :)

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well either they lose the end of the game on the East coast

or we lose the beginning on the West. I suppose having everyone be able to watch the end of the game is better.

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

MLB Slogan: whichever teams are the most popular we will support more because it means more money for us.

by LA Taco on Sep 30, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now narrow that down to a two word catch phrase.

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

money money

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

If it’s true that baseball fans skew older, I’d suggest that one reason is that my east coast generation could watch an entire World Series before our bedtimes. Especially when our schools would stop classes to let us watch there.

by Little Blue Bicycle on Sep 30, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

weren’t they all day games back then?

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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I’m in the minority here, but I think it’s a good idea. It’s bullshit that the WS Games end over 1:00 AM sometimes on the east coast. It’s been a joke for years, and one of the reasons (noted above) that the baseball fan demographic being older year after year.

I’d even like to see a mid week day game. But starting at 4:00 out here is a good idea.

by KellyStephen on Sep 30, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Card fans on MLBTR

some are suprisingly open to trading Pujols

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 9:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Perhaps they are concerned they can't afford him?

30 million a year is a ton, especially when you consider the haul they could get for him in a trade on top of what else they could spend that 30 million a year on.

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

30 million can buy you a lot of shitty white guy, I’ll tell you what.

by regfairfield on Sep 30, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

/Ned Colletti

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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thats like a whole starting line up

of Jamey Carrols! And more left over for backups!

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

that is

the general feeling. Putting the amount of money into one guy and then surrounding him with cheap fodder is not a good idea in their eyes.

I gotta say though. Though 30 Mil a year is probably what Pujols deserves based on talent, does it really make ANY fiscal sense for a team to give him that?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yanks Sox

(copied from above)

by BFDC on Sep 30, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

They literally won a World Series with that plan. Yes, Pujols is worth it because whatever you spend that 30 million on (especially whatever the Cardinals spend 30 million on) will be worse than Pujols.

by regfairfield on Sep 30, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

one World Series

and aren’t the 2006 Cards regarded as one of the worst teams to win a WS?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

They were also really good the years they didn’t.

by regfairfield on Sep 30, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

the story of many teams

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

They were pretty good that year IIRC but finished poorly thanks in part to several injuries.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 30, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

ah

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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

That works better when he is younger

of course trading him is only worth it assuming what they get back pans out, which is never a guarantee.

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

what they would want

is another question.

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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kershaw

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I meant more abstractly

like, they want pitching, or they want some young infielders. blah blah blah

but I’m sure you’d be right nolander. Kershaw is probably a starting point for any trade talk with the Dodgers this offseason. Him and Kemp.

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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would be okay with trading Kershaw if we finally got to fleece someone else.

by robotmadeofnails on Sep 30, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

How do you fleece someone by giving up Kershaw?

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is it likely to happen, no? But if you got a massive haul, how could it not be possible?

by robotmadeofnails on Sep 30, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do they have any corner infield prospects?

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

don't know

interesting question, would you include Sands in a trade? (i’m sure the answer would be a resounding yes.)

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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

yep

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

What is he worth is a better question

since he only has a year left, how much do you give up for the guy?

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

exactly

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

It makes sense

because that is what he is worth, but it adds a TON of risk to your team because if he goes down with an injury you are in big trouble. Would you rather have Team A or Team B

Team A
1B: 7.5 WAR and $30M per year long term
3B: 0.5 WAR and league min + team control 6 years

or

Team B
1B: 4.0 WAR and $15M per year over 4 years
3B: 4.0 WAR and $15M per year over 4 years

rest of the pieces the same.
?

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

A easily. Team B can’t reasonably improve itself. Team A can go out, spend an extra couple million, turn their terrible player into someone decent and win an extra two games.

Accumulating mediocre players is the best way to assure mediocrity for years.

by regfairfield on Sep 30, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is why JP Riccardi was such a bad GM. He spent too much time wanking over his wins per dollar and not enough time getting players better than Lyle Overbay.

by regfairfield on Sep 30, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Reg

with the good point

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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is one of the advantages – does it outweigh the risk of the scenario where both teams lose their 1Bman for 3 to 4 months, or a full season?

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Team A

would be more screwed then Team B in that scenario.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not by much assuming they improved their third base situation at some point.

by regfairfield on Sep 30, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Both can improve

but Team A obviously would have more options for improvement.

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right, A can easily improve, where is team B gonna find a five win third baseman?

by regfairfield on Sep 30, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

this is fun

it’s like watching two people debate on TV, but it’s something I give a shit about.

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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, but this is a PBS debate. Friendly and informative.

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes, but unlike PBS

it’s also interesting!!!

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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you are adding to the scenario that Team A has the money to improve at 3B then Team B could use that same money to improve at a different position, ie – SP.

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we’re going with that, I’m gonna say these teams were screwed anyway if they had a .5 win SP in their rotation.

Even then, a two win SP is a hell of a lot more expensive than a two win 3B.

by regfairfield on Sep 30, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, the numbers were just made up. We could start all over and make it

Team A
1B 9 WAR
3B 2 WAR

Team B
1B 5.5 WAR
3B 5.5 WAR

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or

Team A
1B 7 WAR
3B 2 WAR

Team B
1B 4.5 WAR
3B 4.5 WAR

to make it more Pujols centric.

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Still A. That first baseman is irreplaceable and you’ll never find a better option than him. The third baseman can eventually be replaced, maybe not now, but years down the line.

If you can acquire a guy that you can safely say “there’s no way we’ll be able to do better than this over the course of the contract” you gotta do it. This logic can be used to justify a great player like Pujols or a lesser of all evils like Casey Blake.

by regfairfield on Sep 30, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can Pujols even get $30 Million?

Seems like with the Yankees out of the bidding, he might top out at $25mm or so… How many teams could even potentially afford that? Cardinals, Angels, Red Sox, Rangers, Cubs, Giants?, Orioles?, Nationals?

by BFDC on Sep 30, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

heh

Dodgers will defer his money until 2100

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

not taking into account free agency

the teams he’s said he would approve a trade to are Astros, Marlins, Dodgers, Angels.

Astros and Marlins wouldn’t give him the money, and they have young controlled 1Bs. Angels have Morales, but could have the dough. Dodgers have the need for power at first, but have the money? (damn you McCourts, I can’t even dream properly)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers could have the money

by the time he is a free agent. Angels would probably have no problem signing him and trading morales away.

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

if they signed him

they could probably alternate them both between DH and 1B.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

hey

they got Justin Smoak…..

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

If there were any shot at us landing Pujols

then I think the answer to Humma’s Who wears the Moustache post is a resounding “Blow up this team.”

Keep the few pieces you want off this team and try to sign to extension (Kershaw, Billz, Jansen, Kuo…) and start thinking about 2012 for building the rest. Get some young pieces back for anyone with trade value and hope to have a few cheap pieces to plug into the holes. Plus any of our current prospects that are close should be ready to contribute in 2012 if they’re not busts.

by BFDC on Sep 30, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seems like

We’re going to have like 3-4 rookies next year, and 3 in 2012. Barring no trades, of course..

by Julio Nievas on Sep 30, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

just curious

who will be those 3 or 4 rookies?
I assume 25 man roster.

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

They might all sniff the bigs by 2012, but next year doesn’t seem likely.

by BFDC on Sep 30, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tray will see the bigs first from this group (already on 40-man). DeJesus is on the roster as well but he’ll have to get his OPS above 900 in Albuquerque first.

by silverwidow on Sep 30, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jansen will still be

a rookie.

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by David Young on Sep 30, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

There are a few players that, should they become available via trade and, as part of the terms of the trade, agree to sign a long-term deal with the Dodgers, that any of us should be willing to blow up the team to get. Pujols is one. Hanley. Utley. These are players that you can build a team around for the better part of the next decade.

The only player that I wouldn’t give up in a heartbeat to get one of these guys is Kershaw. Kershaw is young and one of the best pitchers in the game. He will anchor the rotation for years. But everyone else, majors and minors, is fair game for a guy like Pujols if it means for sure that the Dodgers get him (and pay for him) until he retires.

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 30, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

By the way

I just want to thank everybody who participated in the “Blow Up the Team” fanpost. It really showed off the diversity of opinion among the commenters and the whole thread is filled with really smart, interesting ideas. So thanks.

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 30, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have a hard time believing they won’t sign Pujols since they locked up Holliday. His concern was whether they would put together a competitive team, and I think Pujols will take a little less than he should to stay.

Now the real problem will be what to do about pitching when those contracts come up.

by robotmadeofnails on Sep 30, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

exactly

I read somewhere that they couldn’t give Carpenter the kind of money he’s been making(though he is getting older) because of a possible Pujols extension.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you a Bieber fan?

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Sep 30, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

my roomate helped shoot the new JUSTIN BIEBER IN 3D feature film that is coming to a multiplex near you. he said the kid big timed him during the wrap party.

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 30, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was trying out 3D TV’s at Best Buy yesterday. so cool.

"We were never friends"

by delias man on Sep 30, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

several thousand dollars worth of cool though?

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

maybe. i have money to blow on a re-finance.

"We were never friends"

by delias man on Sep 30, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what does “big timed him” mean?

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I also don’t know what that means.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Sep 30, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I figured maybe it was some new teenage video game lingo. Kind of like the “getting served” of the 90s.

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Big time

Blew him off, as in he was too important for him

by Eric Stephen on Sep 30, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought it was a Dick Cheneyism.

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 30, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Guess I need to end my boycot and spend more time in LA to pick up the lingo.

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Using your celebrity to show how much better you are.

For example, my buddy bought Manny a glass of wine, and he big timed him by just not touching the wine.

Though since it was Manny there’s a good chance he legitimately forgot.

by regfairfield on Sep 30, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I learned something new today. Let’s see if I can apply it.

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT: Verizon phones

So I now have the discount to get a new phone (new every two). Should I get a phone now? Or wait till Christmas to see if any new models will come out? I’m kind of fed up with my Blackberry.

by Julio Nievas on Sep 30, 2010 10:56 AM PDT reply actions  

I always err on the side of waiting. Plus the models you like now might be cheaper.

by robotmadeofnails on Sep 30, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yea, but if you are okay with the models here now, you can get them cheaper, or just pay the same high price now for the newer model

by robotmadeofnails on Sep 30, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right. When it comes to new tech… if you can wait, always wait.

My anecdote: I wanted an iPhone. I told my wife I wanted an iPhone. I told her I would wait as long as I could. But she had a terrible phone. One day she told me she was sick and fucking tired of her phone, and I went out and got the iPhone. It would have been better to wait, because they came out with the 3GS shortly after I got mine, but circumstances dictated that I wait no longer.

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 30, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

protip

usually it is well known when apple is going to announce a new phone, usually months in advance.

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

that comment sounds so douchy

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, I know what you meant

And I did know that the company would release the new phone within a few months. My point was: despite knowing that, I could not wait any longer, because I had been instructed to go out and buy the damn thing.

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 30, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

women

amiright?

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah!

Because nothing matters to me more than my phone! Next time, screw it — no matter how much my wife is inconvenienced, I am going to wait and buy the slightly better technology!

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 30, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

hehe

I know I know. I’m sure I drive my wife nuts because I always want to buy only the newestest bestest shiniest things and spent aeons researching it all instead of just buying the damn thing.

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just upgraded two phones

and we went with the iPhone 3GS, rather than the phone. At this point, we didn’t need the advanced features, and we could get it for “only” $99 each, rather than $199 or $299 for the iPhone4. Yeah, it is older technology, but still a huge leap from the POS flip phone I was using.

Bonus, we bought them while in Las Vegas, so we paid 8.1% sales tax on $99 for each phone, instead of 9.75% sales tax on $499 (or whatever the “full” price is) here in LA, saving $81 total over the two phones. That’s like 16 straight wins at a $5 blackjack table!

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by David Young on Sep 30, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I need a new cell phone

and only am interested in the phone. Don’t need text or data packages. Should I go with a carrier like Verixzon? or some cheap thing like vonage?

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Sep 30, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Does Vonage do cell phones?

Your best bet for cheap is a pre-paid no-contract phone from whoever, like AT&T or T-Mobile.

by LA Taco on Sep 30, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

so they all seem to be the same

about $0 per month. I guess that’s the best I can do

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Sep 30, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

$40

I’m typing challenged today

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Sep 30, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

if you go monthly, but one of the benefits of the pre-paid is that you can just buy minutes so it’s not tied to a date-specific period.

by LA Taco on Sep 30, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

and noe I see

that Vonage is only for voip, not wireless

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Sep 30, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can you join a family plan with anyone. My wife and I are on a family plan with the mother-in-law, sister-in-law, and brother-in-law. For our two phones with 200 text messages a month, we pay a total of $38.

by robotmadeofnails on Sep 30, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

What kind of phones are you looking at?

Touchscreen like a droid/droid x?

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Biggest argument to wait would be for 4g

but there is still not much of an idea when verizon will be getting 4g enabled phones

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

scratch that

I guess they aren’t planning on launching 4g phones till mid next year.

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo

oooooooo….

I just want to see what Blackberry will come up with..

by Julio Nievas on Sep 30, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

storm 3 should be coming out soon

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

their hitting ranked 12th [out of 34 teams] with a .241 team batting average

Man, that is some pitcher’s league!

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by David Young on Sep 30, 2010 11:00 AM PDT reply actions  

PAC 12

Does this pod suggestion mean there would be 3 4 team divisions? I do not know if anybody else has read about this.

"We were never friends"

by delias man on Sep 30, 2010 11:11 AM PDT reply actions  

yes

CGB had a piece on it. You can’t think of them so much as divisions as groups. Instead of trying to win a division then go to a championship game, the team with the best record in the end is the conference champion.

Pod 1: NW schools.
Pod 2: CA schools.
Pod 3: AZ and MTN schools.

Each year, you’d play everyone in your pod and three of the four teams in each of the other pods. (For instance: The NW schools would play three of the four CA schools every year.)

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Per Dodger thoughts

Fernando Nation 30 for 30 to air Oct.26

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 11:20 AM PDT reply actions  

If he plays off that “Chavez Ravine was cleared out for the Dodgers” angle in this doc, I am going to scream.

"We were never friends"

by delias man on Sep 30, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

(cover ears)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is Tony Curtis the third

in the “death always comes in threes” pool with Arthur Penn and Greg Giraldo?

Or does Curtis open a new thread waiting for two, more famous partners? Or maybe Penn and Curtis wait for a third?

by Eric Stephen on Sep 30, 2010 11:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Meg Whitman?

wait, that’s only her political career possibly

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Sep 30, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh zing!

but please, the old “anti-immigrant person was actually employing an immigrant trick” seen that a thousand times

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

John Warner and Larry Fortensky

are the only surviving Mr. Elizabeth Taylors.

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by David Young on Sep 30, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tony Curtis died?

Some like it luke warm.

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by G.Scott on Sep 30, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Depends

I count Quentin Tarantino’s long time editor who also died this week, as a big one… so it could be 4. Or 5 if you count the character actor who died today who was famous for saying “Forget it Jake, It’s Chinatown” in that movie.

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by underdog on Sep 30, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

So just one more to get two trios

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by David Young on Sep 30, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers have a chance to dominate the Southern League list that comes out next week. These guys could potentially make it:

Trayvon Robinson
Jerry Sands
Dee Gordon
Rubby De La Rosa
Kenley Jansen (he qualifies based on appearances)

by silverwidow on Sep 30, 2010 11:33 AM PDT reply actions  

How do the Cinque da Chattanooga compare to the Jacksonville Five?

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 30, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you saying that with a portuguese accent?

by BFDC on Sep 30, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was going for Italian

but since I don’t speak Italian, and really have no knowledge of Italian other than, y’know, The Olive Garden, I have no idea if I pulled off the bon mot.

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 30, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Probably works both ways actually haha.

by BFDC on Sep 30, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

If the Jacksonvill Five were the same prospects today, they would be way better.

by Julio Nievas on Sep 30, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

This was the 2005 Southern League Prospect - I stopped at 14

1. Delmon Young, of, Montgomery
2. Jeremy Hermida, of, Carolina
3. Jeff Francoeur, of, Mississippi
4. Chris Young, of, Birmingham
5. Chad Billingsley, rhp, Jacksonville
6. Joel Guzman, ss, Jacksonville
7. Andy LaRoche, 3b, Jacksonville
8. Felix Pie, of, West Tenn
9. Brian McCann, c, Mississippi
10. Russell Martin, c, Jacksonville
11. Scott Olsen, lhp, Carolina
12. Matt Murton, of, West Tenn
13. Bobby Jenks, rhp, Birmingham
14. Jonathan Broxton, rhp, Jacksonville

Generally I believe (but could be wrong) that Loney is part of the 5 and LaRoche isn’t since he split time that year.

And before we discount this group, remember that 3 of them have made at least one All-Star team, which would be amazing to see if any team in the current Dodger minor league system could equal that.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 30, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Woah

Something I didn’t know, AJ Ellis piched before

by Julio Nievas on Sep 30, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Trayvon had a .433 BABIP last year. Sign he’s headed for disaster, or laser show?

by regfairfield on Sep 30, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, all he needs is 1/3 inning for every game played.

by silverwidow on Sep 30, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

He also needs to be there for 1/3 of the season
To qualify for consideration, a player must have spent at least one-third of the season in a league. Position players must have one plate appearance for every league game. Pitchers must pitch 1/3 inning for every league game, and relievers have to have made at least 20 appearances in full-season leagues and 10 in short-season ones.

The Southern League season is 152 days long, Ruddy was designated there on July 23rd, so he was on the roster for 46 days, which would be a few days short of that. So it depends how strict BA is on this rule but he could just fall short of qualifying.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 30, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Possible Trade Scenario

Broxton
Loney
R. Martin
Withrow or E.Martin

Rasmus
Pujols

add, subtract, tell me I’m crazy.

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by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 11:49 AM PDT reply actions  

I don’t know if I’d even give you Rasmus for that.

by regfairfield on Sep 30, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Does Rasmus or Pujols have more value in a trade right now

considering Pujols could walk away next year?

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rasmus probably. Depending on how you classify CarGo and Hamilton he’s the best hitting CF in baseball, solid defense, and four years of control.

by regfairfield on Sep 30, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Basically imagine the value that Kemp had at this time last year with one more year of control.

by regfairfield on Sep 30, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

First rule of trading

You can’t expect to trade guys you nobody wants for guys everyone wants.

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 30, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yet that rule is abused more then any other rule

when coming up with trade scenarios.
Let me offer you
1. A broken down closer
2. A 1st baseman who can’t hit 10 home runs
3. A catcher who not only can’t hit, but had a serious season ending injury.
4. A prospect who was hammered day in and day out in just about every start

by meercatjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

and throw in the fact

they will cost you about 15 – 20 Million next year. You give those guys away, you don’t get anything back.

by meercatjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're crazy

Can’t even add or subtract to that

by BFDC on Sep 30, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Crazy

It’s like the Lakers trading 4 very good players for Kareem Abdul-Jabbar back in the day. The Superstar is irreplaceable.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 30, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Except he didn't

put four very good players into the deal.
Now he if offered:
Billingsley
Jansen
Andre
then that is a starting point.

by meercatjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rasmus and Pujols don’t roll together.

"We were never friends"

by delias man on Sep 30, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Add Trayvon and Sands and Rubby and Gordon and Ethier,

and you start to get close. But then, if I’m the Cardinals, I also want Billingsley, in addition to the other nine guys.

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 30, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

OK, I was snarky there, but I'll be serious.

We are trying to receive Rasmus and Pujols, and as part of the deal, Pujols will agree to sign a contract for 10/260.

I start with the following:

Billingsley
Ethier
Jansen
Broxton
Sands
Choice of minor-league pitching prospect — take your pick

….I hate doing trade talk, because I always fear I’ll sound ridiculous. But what do you think?

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 30, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least it’s just trade talk for you. I always fear that I sound ridiculous.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Sep 30, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only thing that would make me send Rasmus, let alone Rasmus and Pujols, to the Dodgers starts with Kershaw.

by regfairfield on Sep 30, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

A pitcher with top of a rotation stuff, a solid-plus outfielder, two late inning relievers, and a number one prospect for one of the greatest right handed hitters ever to play the game and in his prime… Oh and a CF with an .800+ OPS.

Um.. No

by Julio Nievas on Sep 30, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ramsus is really fucking good and is younger and cheaper than anyone we’d give up.

by regfairfield on Sep 30, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I meant the Cardinals would be wrong to make that trade

by Julio Nievas on Sep 30, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gotcha, it sounded like you were saying a CF with an .800 (.860) OPS was a bad thing.

by regfairfield on Sep 30, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, the Cardinals, of course, shouldn’t trade either of them. There is no way that any team could possibly give up enough value that the Cards would get back what they’re worth.

However, Rasmus has been the target of trade talks due to chemistry/attitude issues. Has he mouthed his way into a sell-low trade scenario? And if the Cardinals really think they can’t afford Pujols, then the Dodgers just need to outbid (a) two draft picks and (b) what other teams would give up for him.

Thus ends my ridiculous trade talk opinions.

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 30, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the Dodgers could make a deal for Rasmus

but to add Albert to the discussion just muddies it beyond usefulness.

by meercatjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would trade anyone, but our SP, for Rasmus

by Julio Nievas on Sep 30, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll admit putting Rasmus inmine was ill concieved

Pujols only has 4 teams he would like to be traded too. Astros, Marlins, Dodgers, Angels. Of the 4, the Dodgers have the most need of an upgrade, and potentially the money to pay.

It’s all speculation anyway, so just have fun with it.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

more of a hope really

i keep forgetting it’s forsaken in these lands

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

:)

smiley to show i’m playfully joking

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

to be honest

part of the reason I posted mine was a bit of an experiment. I figured most would just tell me how crazy I was, but I gave the option of adding or subracting. Most just took the crazy option. I think only a few people even took the time to discuss it.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

right

we’ll just have 400 pouty ones like we do now.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I only say ridiculous

because we can’t afford Albert, and so for me any trade scenario for him just seems a pointless exercise. This is going to be a long winter.

by meercatjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please at least try to win today, Arizona. To make it interesting this weekend at least.

Thank you.

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by underdog on Sep 30, 2010 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

seconded

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Angels have partnered with the 66ers, as expected, through 2012.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 30, 2010 12:04 PM PDT reply actions  

After all the postseason appearances

No matter what, they still get our sloppy seconds.

by meercatjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

well we basically just swapped partners right? More of an orgy atmosphere

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

and the Dodgers traded up! (At least from what I heard about the Epicenter [still a great name] vs. IE’s park.)

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by David Young on Sep 30, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT -

There’s a really interesting article on CGB posing the question of whether Cal athletics in this case should be self-sustaining. Even for non-Cal fans, this budgets crisis directly affects UCLA, and I know USC has big donor pockets, but even Harvard has lost a significant amount of it’s endowment in the new economy.

Anyhow, it’s a large question and caused me at least to rethink the purpose of college athletics. To the public it’s advertising for the university, albeit expensive advertising, and it’s also a source for local pride. The local pride part is where it blurs with pro sports, especially with a team like Notre Dame which aims for “SuperClub” status like the Yankees, Manchester United, maybe even the Lakers, where you’re aiming to be a worldwide brand.

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 12:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Intercollegiate athletics at Berkeley and Los Angeles, for example, are classified as auxiliary enterprises because of the substantial receipts generated through sales to the general public. At campuses where athletics involve only student participation, athletic programs are classified as “organized activities” or as part of the department of physical education.

An auxillary enterprise is “an entity that exists to furnish a service to students, faculty, or staff, and that charges at a rate directly related, but not necessarily equal, to the cost of the service.”

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

You could certainly argue that without a football team

both UCLA and Berkley lose a lot of recruiting power. I mean these are 18 year olds we are talking about.

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Other then the folks who play football

students pick their schools based on the success of the team?

by meercatjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Football time is party time

Students take a lot of things into account beyond athletics, and when choosing between schools like UCLA and Berkley, campus life has to be a big determinant, and sports programs are a big part of that for a lot of kids.

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since UCLA plays off campus

I don’t think the football team really is a determining factor.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 30, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder

do kids from successful football programs get laid more after games, then those who are from losing traditions like UCLA?

by meercatjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doubt it

Either way everyone is getting crunked before, during and after the game.

by BFDC on Sep 30, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sure there are floozies out there

who think it is their duty to provide “perks” to the athletes. I mean just look at all the recruiting scandals.

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn't referring to the athletes

but the folks who watch the games. Are they more likely to get laid after his team wins then if his team loses. Or do everyone just get drunk anyway and it is not relevant?

by meercatjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Everyone gets drunk anyway and its not relevant, especially since at least 50% of the girls could care less about the outcome of the game.

by BFDC on Sep 30, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

That one girl from Texas cared. Roll the video please….

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was because

she promised a blow job to the UCLA water boy if his team won by 25 points. I’m pretty sure she felt she was okay headed into the game.

by meercatjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

please

homegirl is wearing a cross and a wwjd braclet. no way she makes that bet

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

its a great cover. Of course she makes that bet

"We were never friends"

by delias man on Sep 30, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't know anything about a bracelet

but I do know that a cross don’t mean jack.

by meercatjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

and

engagement and wedding ring on her 4th finger?

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by David Young on Sep 30, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

shows

that I’m still young. I’ve only been through one wedding, and I still think that whole ceremony was meaningless

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

but you know

“homegirl” doesn’t think hers was.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 30, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh of course, married in Texas and all about Jesus, that girl doesn’t have side bets happenin

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

All ceremony's are meaningless

but that doesn’t mean the relationships are.

by meercatjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

When Bride and I got hitched, it wasn’t the ceremony that made the day memorable.

It was the fact that the ceremony was a really good opportunity to have a huge party, attended by everyone we loved, who were all really happy for us.

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 30, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know that ceremonies are "meaningless"

They are essentially symbolic only. but if they are meaningless, why do so many rational people get emotional at ceremonies? Funeral ceremonies are meaningful for the survivors, are they not?

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by David Young on Sep 30, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plane crash lands on the Canada/US border, in which country do you bury the survivors?

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by G.Scott on Sep 30, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why

because wedding ceremonies are meaningless? Or because you’re assuming said married people will get a divorce soon and you will be pissed you bought them a present?

by BFDC on Sep 30, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because as frequently as I see

divorce happening amongst the generation prior, I consider it fool hearty for any twenty something to think their marriage is going to be like their grandparents

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Foolhardy

And the odds of a marriage not ending in divorce are much better than the odds that the Dodgers make the playoffs in any given year. Of course our fandom is meaningless and my point breaks down…..

Seriously, if the divorce rate is 50%, you still have even odds of not divorcing.

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by David Young on Sep 30, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

and you can hedge it

by having a bride overseas too.

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I should looked it up, thanks for helping me out there. But yeah, even odds just don’t make me feel comfortable. You also have even odds on a coin flip.

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Relationships

are rarely comfortable after the good ride. How you deal with the bumps well decide how long it will last.

by meercatjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

let’s just boil it down to I’m afraid of getting hurt, and I’ll stop searching for societal excuses

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmpf

I’d offer pointless words of wisdom but I’d be full of shit.

by meercatjohn on Sep 30, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Relationships are rarely comfortable after the good ride.

So make sure you get somebody what gives you a good ride, knowwhutimean?

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 30, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Divorce rates

are like using ERA to determine a relief pitchers value.

by meercatjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

True enough

For many reasons – multi-time divorcees skew the rate, people who should but don’t, etc. – but it’s close enough for that simple point.

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by David Young on Sep 30, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's an interesting anecdote

One of my girlfriend’s best friends just broke up with her boyfriend of two years. My GF had lunch with this friend, and the friend told her that she thinks she’s just one of “those people who will get divorced like 13 times”

by BFDC on Sep 30, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

No she's not sad

She’s fucking crazy, but that is many other stories!!

by BFDC on Sep 30, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

did she have lunch with

our batting practice coach lately?
Sorry.

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Narcissist

You have to hit loads of charisma (or money) to convince 13 people to marry you!

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by David Young on Sep 30, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think she is a narcissist along with being a sociopath, but again, that is a different story all together!

by BFDC on Sep 30, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Someone hasn’t been to a wedding with an omelet bar.

by regfairfield on Sep 30, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Sep 30, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

that would change my opinion forever. Or even an open regular bar. Cash bars at a wedding are like saying, thanks but I hate you forever…..or we’re strapped for cash or whatever

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very fortunate to say I have yet to attend a non-open bar wedding.

by BFDC on Sep 30, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

How do you get to be 25

and have attended only one wedding? I had been IN a few weddings by that age.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 30, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

How do you get to be 25
and have attended only one wedding? I had been IN a few weddings by that age.

Rephrased:

I’m old! Get off my lawn!

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 30, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

All but one

as a ring bearer though!

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by David Young on Sep 30, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don't count those

bouncer gigs?

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 30, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

You were at Usher’s wedding? I didn’t even know he was married.

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 30, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

best man

in my older bro’s wedding

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are trending up

Next stop is to be a pastor/preacher/rabi/cleric.

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or judge

which Eric would be better at. Marry people and sentence criminals. “Five years, no time served. Go fuck yourself!”

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 30, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh you sly devil then. Fine if I could the ones from when I was 6 it brings my grand total up to…..2. Although I was a baby at two that I can’t remember

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

because you were 25

back when there were still Dodo birds, and I’m 25 in a time when quarterlife crisis is a thing and a bachelor’s degree is a stepping stone

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Same here.

Also, I hate people.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Sep 30, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

This reminds me...

A guy here at work did a presentation on Twitter and how it might affect movie marketing. He said we should all get on Twitter.

I said, “I hate everybody and everybody hates me. Why do I need to be on Twitter?”

Fuck You Ruiz

by Humma Kavula on Sep 30, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

My buddy had an open bar, but only for the first two hours.

If you ever want to turn a wedding into a frat party as quickly as possible…

by regfairfield on Sep 30, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like how you didn’t even try after the 2nd one.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Sep 30, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 30, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

We had this discussion with Maddz

it can be both

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

She is pretty

and not exotic.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 30, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's likely a third bin

50% don’t care.
48% could care less.
2% care.

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

it gets students in, and it also helps bind students and alumni. I’ve met more people that went to Cal off campus than I ever did while at school….at alumni tailgates, inside football games, at bars wearing Cal gear. And feeling a part of something is what opens Alumni wallets.

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

And feeling a part of something

I didn’t really get that part in my response, but that I think is huge.

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
http://www.accessorizeyourvehicle.com/

by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be honest, it's why I'm a Dodger fan

anyone could done those uniforms, I’d still cheer cause Dodger games make me feel part of some imagined “LA Community”

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Students watch ESPN

and every ESPN CFB broadcast includes commercials for the schools in the game. Not every student is a 4.0 kid looking for the school with the best department in their field. Most students haven’t even chosen a field, and just getting their attention is important.

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I've seen the ad's

but I’ve never thought someone made a decision like that based on those commercials. I always thought it was based more on the teams colors.

by meercatjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

true story

I know a girl who chose to go to USC because they wore Gryffindor’s colors.

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Sep 30, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

That sounds bad

but was it just a tossup between that and a few other schools?

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

she got into USC and Loyola, so it wasn’t like USC wasn’t the better choice, just Harry Potter was the reason she told people

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh fair enough I guess.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Sep 30, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I call shennanigans then

"Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something." -Robert Heinlein
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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Love that

now that is a 17 year old.

by meercatjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have not always wondered this

but wonder what my life would have been like had a gone to USC. Probably would have flunked out of that school too I guess.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 30, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

You would have been a much better and happier person, no doubt :)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 30, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder what my life woulda been like

if Stanford didn’t waitlist me. I mean if Berkeley made me pretentious….

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Programs being cut

But I think I read one of your comments above that answered my quesiton

by Julio Nievas on Sep 30, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m for it in that I believe sports programs should be as self-sustaining as possible. There are budget issues in the UC system, no one is going to miss gymnastics, baseball is completely unsustainable, and I’m unwilling to hear arguments that it adds to student life and advertises the university enough to be subsidized. No one goes to Cal baseball games, the 2k stadium is usually half full because it’s too damn cold to watch a baseball game.

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t even get waitlisted.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Sep 30, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

See

Every Berkeley student also applied to Stanford and UCLA, it’s like a gimme. And if you didn’t get into Stanford, you’ll only meet kids who got into both. And if you didn’t get into UCLA (me) you only meet people who got into both.

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

You would right now be

returning your Heisman Trophy.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 30, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aren’t diplomas worth more if the school is winning? I bet there is a study about that out there.

"We were never friends"

by delias man on Sep 30, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

It depends

on whether you believe Business happens in the office or on the golf course

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Random question: why is Brian Wilson having such a good year?

Did this come out of nowhere?

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Sep 30, 2010 12:21 PM PDT reply actions  

mullet power

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

he has more of a crazy mohawk

then a mullet. Also that beard that looked kinda fake on tv. To me anyway.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

He’s been a reliable reliever for a few seasons.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 30, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

just a little more lucky this year but he’s been a solid closer for a while.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6485&position=P

by meercatjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm. He was good last year and is a little better and a lot luckier this year. Beyond that, he doesn’t have much of a track record (ie, 2008 looks like his first full year). Fair enough I guess.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Sep 30, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want to either rec that or flag that.

This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man.

by MR.F. on Sep 30, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

There are muslims playing football (and basketball IIRC)

by BFDC on Sep 30, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

How do you know there isn’t?

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Sep 30, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe he meant in New York, Boston, and Barry Bonds, since that was the focus of the 10th inning :)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 30, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well

Babe Ruth was the focus of the 20’s chapter. I don’t know how you tell the story of baseball in the last 20 years without Barry Bonds playing a significant part of it.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 30, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have no idea

Just thought maybe there was a study somewhere. If I were a muslim athlete in America (and I’m neither) I might keep it a secret in these times.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

by mleadman on Sep 30, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

demographics i imagine

baseball pulls from latin countries and white americans who tend to be christian?

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure

but the zero percent surprised me.

by meercatjohn on Sep 30, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ramadan might have something to with it

I know Hussain and Hamza Abdullah who both play in the NFL are absolute warriors because they go through full training camp during ramadan and somehow survive. Must be really tough to exert that kind of energy while fasting.

by BFDC on Sep 30, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where is

Khalil Green these days?

He’s a Baha’i

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

is that a muslim offshoot? Knew a baha’i in college, but she was white as snow and American as apple pie. I just assumed it was a hippie religion like unitarianism

by Josie Becker on Sep 30, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

i believe so

from answers.com

The first and only Muslim of Arab descent to play in MLB was Sam Khalifa for the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1985.
Padres’ shortstop Khalil Greene belongs to the Baha’i Faith. The name Khalil is Arabic for ‘friend’.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I seem to remember having a Sammy Khalifa baseball card. I want to say it was 1987 Topps.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 30, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

heh

my first thought after I posted that was “I’ll bet Eric has a pic of his baseball card.”

no lie

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 30, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

it’s an offshoot of Islam started by a Persian guy in the 1800s.

by LA Taco on Sep 30, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just so you know, I have bypassed jokes on this regarding the size of the Dodger clubhouse & Brian Wilson’s beard.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 30, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

take this with a HUGE fwiw

but I just had lunch with a guy who is friends with the guy who throws bp for the Dodgers, and he said the vast majority of the guys on the team never work out, never run, specifically naming Broxton as one who just shows up and throws, because none of them know if they’re even going to be here next year.

Sounds like a shitty reason to not workout, but this guy isn’t one to makeup stories ever, so I don’t really know what to think. His exact words were, “This team quit a long time ago”.

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by G.Scott on Sep 30, 2010 12:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Who is the guy

who throws bp? One of the coaches? I wonder if your friend knows Kevin Bacon?

by Xeifrank on Sep 30, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

in my defense

I prefaced it

take this with a HUGE fwiw

"Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Except for herpes. That shit'll come back with you."

by G.Scott on Sep 30, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe this 1000%

proof has been on the field since the beginning of august

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Sep 30, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't a lot of that stuff be required though?

the coaches would really let these guys not do jack shit?

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by nolander on Sep 30, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

because none of them know if they’re even going to be here next year

Most of them know they are going to be somewhere in the majors next year though. Broxton has a contract even. I’m willing the believe the “not working” part, but not this line of reasoning.

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by David Young on Sep 30, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some Baseball stuff - Confirmed new deadlines re Player moves

Story

Instead of the typical 15-day free agent filing period following the World Series, it will be five days.
Typically the deadline for a team to offer arbitration to its own free agents has been December 1st; it’s now November 23rd.
December 7th has been the deadline for free agents to accept or decline arbitration offers from their old teams; it’s now November 30th.
December 12th has been the non-tender deadline; it’s now December 2nd.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 30, 2010 12:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Class is pretty cool

Reliving Mazeroski’s walk-off in the 1960 WS vs. Yanks

by Julio Nievas on Sep 30, 2010 1:00 PM PDT reply actions  

I wonder how many of these Dominican Dodgers are married

and if they think Texas girl is pretty or cute.

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Wright $900,000
LHP 57 Elbert $488,500
RHP 60 Coffey $1,000,000

DL 27 Kemp $10,000,000
DL 21 Rivera $4,000,000
DL 12 Sellers $481,000
DL 5 Uribe $8,000,000
DL 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
DL 14 Ellis $2,500,000
60DL 36 Hawksworth $495,000
60DL 41 De La Rosa $485,000

AA 50 Eovaldi $7,885
AAA 56 Antonini $7,869



Manny $8,087,432 deferred


Andruw $3,375,000 deferred


Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
Furcal $3,000,000 deferred
Kuroda $2,000,000 deferred
Garland $1,500,000 option buyout
Blake $1,250,000 option buyout
DFA 66 MacDougal $650,000

Totals
$115,942,869

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Current 40-man roster count: 42
(incl. De La Rosa & Hawksworth)

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Manager

Eric___ned___reporters_2011_trade_deadline_small Eric Stephen

Editors

100_1427_small Phil Gurnee

Dgy_small David Young

Hanauma_bay_small Chad Moriyama

2501_small Michael White

Raptors_small Brandon Lennox

Img_0103_small CraigMinami