Padres Find Cure For Losing Streak In Now-.500 Dodgers
by Eric Stephen on Sep 6, 2010 11:18 PM PDT
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PrintThe Dodgers provided just the right medicine for the Padres' ills, as San Diego ended a 10-game losing streak with a 4-2 win in the opener of a three-game series at Petco Park. For the first time since May 12, the Dodgers are at the .500 mark on the season, at 69-69.
The last three Dodgers series, all series losses, began with a win, only to see the Dodgers lose the next two games. So, perhaps the Dodgers have found a new formula for series success.
The game ended up a bullpen game, with both starters only pitching four innings. Vicente Padilla was limited in his first game back from the disabled list, and he allowed three runs in his four innings, including a home run by Nick Hundley. Padilla threw 59 pitches, and pounded the zone with 40 strikes. He had one walk and five strikeouts on the night.
Mat Latos was scheduled to start tonight for the Padres, but had a "violent" stomach flu, per Corey Brock of MLB.com, and was a late scratch. Tim Stauffer started in his place and allowed one run in his four innings. This game became one in which the official scorer awarded the win to the relief pitcher deemed to be the most effective, and tonight that was Mike Adams, who got five outs in the seventh and eighth innings, with three strikeouts.
Latos will start Tuesday's game instead, matching up with Clayton Kershaw.
Scott Podsednik hit his first home run as a Dodger, a shot to right field in the seventh inning that pulled the Dodgers to within one, at 3-2.
Tony Jackson at ESPN LA writes that outfielder Trent Oeltjen could be the next Albuquerque Isotope to join the Dodgers, as soon as Tuesday, but a corresponding move would need to be made to fit Oeltjen on the 40-man roster. None of the five called up today played in the game tonight.
I was out most of the night, and didn't catch the game thread until after the game, but I can only add that I think Bride of Kavula would do the right thing.
WP - Mike Adams (3-1): 1 2/3 IP, 1 walk, 3 strikeouts
LP - Vicente Padilla (6-5): 4 IP, 5 hits, 3 runs, 1 walk, 5 strikeouts
Sv - Heath Bell (38): 1 IP, 2 strikeouts
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This team is screwed up
Then I remember this team can’t score
"I still love my ex-wife, but only when we're not talking"
When the Aussie comes up
What about moving Robinson to the 60 day DL or Schlting (sp) Robinson supposedly was going to come up but had a pulled intercostal muscle.
From Gurnick:
Xavier Paul (neck injury) and Trayvon Robinson (oblique muscle) would have been candidates for promotion if healthy.
The move will likely be Paul to the 60-day since we know he is out for the rest of the season anyway. We don’t know that, at least not yet, about Trayvon.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 6, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
He hasn’t played since August 28. That’s the extent of what I know about it.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 6, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Sources also claim that DeJesus, the son of longtime Major Leaguer Ivan DeJesus, is in the doghouse because he has yet to grasp some of the subtleties of teamwork and game approach. He is scheduled to play in the Arizona Fall League.
I wish some of this stuff was explained. What the heck is ’subtleties of teamwork and game approach?"
MMWYAB = Making Mistakes While Young And Black
by The Dude Abides on Sep 7, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry
I just see a common thread in the organization regarding the themes of “maturity” and hustle" when it comes to management’s treatment of Kemp, DYoung, JMac, DeJesus, etc. Maybe it’s just me.
by The Dude Abides on Sep 7, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Game approach is usually prep stuff like watching video and reading scouting reports. It’s one of the reasons Ned wasn’t a fan of Delwyn Young, in that he felt he didn’t do the work necessary like studying pitchers and that over time it would not lend itself to big league success.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 6, 2010 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
If memory serves
the past two weeks, there have been two homeruns hit by Dodger outfielders…and those outfielders were Jay Gibbons and Scott Podsednik.
Seriously, is it safe to say that Juan Pierre is having a better second half than Andre Ethier and Matt Kemp?! And yes, I know they’re not alone, it’s just that they’re supposed to be the team’s heart. We can only hope that it’s an outlier, and that someday, we’ll look back at this and…well, if not laugh, then just shrug it off. Too bad we won’t find out for another 8 months, at least.
In short yes
However, as bad as Ethier and Kemp have been post All Star break and it is worse than I thought, they still have more HR’s and Ethier has more doubles. In my opinion this mediocre season and the second half slide turned when Manny went down and his production was not made up like it was last year. When Manny went down the second time this year and it was clear there was going to be problems-it would have made sense to give Gibbons a test, still have XP and have cut Anderson. We will never know of course, but what Manny did for Ethier and Kemp I don’t think can be underestimated. The utilization of a Hall of Fame bat in his last year with the club regardless of PED’s maybe the best example of how bad Dodger management was this year!
Suprised Trent Oeltjen is getting the call up…given the Dodgers glut of OF’ers already.
I’d think they’d want to look at Justin Sellers- the SS…that was speculated last week.
at least we didnt help the giants
ahahahahahahahahaha
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
I asked this question on couple of other Dodger sites
Here’s a multiple choice quiz: when Ausmus came up with two outs in the 6th, runners at 2nd and 3rd, and the Dodgers behind 3-1, and Joe didn’t pinch hit for him, do you think:
(1) Joe didn’t want to have Lindsey get his first major league AB in a pressure situation
(2) Joe believes Ausmus is a good enough hitter to let him bat in that situation
(3) Joe was taking a cat nap in the dugout
(4) Joe and Ned were having a post-coital cigarette in the clubhouse after Theriot’s gritty groundout moved both runners up one base
What do you guys think?
by The Dude Abides on Sep 6, 2010 11:46 PM PDT reply actions
(5) Joe Torre doesn’t care if Lindsey gets a PA.
by Tripon on Sep 6, 2010 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Crucial game decision
6) Joe believed that inserting a potentially better hitter in a mid inning situation was unfair since the rosters were expanded
by wineracquet on Sep 6, 2010 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
(7) Torre still thinks there are only two catchers on the bench
Thinks Ellis is one of the bullpen catchers
by 68elcamino427 on Sep 7, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it was
one, he wanted to give Barajas the night off, two, he felt Ausmus had as much chance to get a hit as anyone else in that situation, and three, he really does not like the idea of emptying the bench in that situation
I agree. I just don’t see him ever pinch hitting a rookie for a veteran in a spot like that.
by CarolinaDodger on Sep 7, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Despite being only seven years older Ausmus has 1577 more hits than Lindsey. Why would you pull him?
This is only about 20 percent snark.
Also I had no idea Ausmus was 41 until now.
He just seems so young and spry
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
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FYI
Ogden Raptors still have 3 more regular season games and then they begin their playoffs this weekend while the Great Lakes Loons have a rally at home tonight and then open a best of three first round on the road tomorrow with Game 2 and Game 3 (if necessary) at home the following two days.
All other Dodger minor league teams have finished their seasons and aside from the players attending Arizona Fall League, they will be done unless they play winter ball. The Dodgers do have their organizational camp at Camelback probably in the latter part of this month (just prior to the Arizona Fall League), that is where any changes to positions begin and also where some new draftees like Zach Lee will get his first real introduction into the system.
Does Sands at 3B indicate an organizational lack of faith in Russ Mitchell? He’s the 3B one right? I get him and Kyle Russell mixed up.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
Russ Mitchell profiles more as a utility player like Belliard, can play the corners, the OF, and maybe even some 2B. Kyle Russell, Trayvon Robinson, and Xavier Paul are reasons why the organization may be willing to try Sands at 3B.
HQ Report on Russ Mitchell
Russ Mitchell (INF, LAD)
The 25 year-old has spent his entire career in the Dodgers organization – he was selected in the 15th round of ‘03. Mitchell, a right-handed hitter, established a career-high in HR this season and has good leverage and strength in his swing. His moderate bat speed projects more to doubles than HR at the big league level, but his pop is useful. He has enjoyed vast success against left-handed pitching, hitting for both BA and power. Mitchell could compete for time in a platoon role as soon as next season. His approach and swing will result in high strikeout totals and he isn’t likely to hit for a high BA. He also doesn’t run well. Most useful to the Dodgers may be his defensive versatility. Mitchell isn’t a standout at any position, but his hands and range are sufficient for 1B, 2B, 3B, or the outfield corners. He has a career line of .266/.321/.444.
STATS: Albuquerque (AAA) – 505 AB, .315/.363/.535, 38 2b, 23 HR, 0.49 EYE, 1 SB
CURRENT ROLE: Reserve infielder
POTENTIAL: Platoon 1B/3B
I can't imagine anyone
who we would need to platoon…
All snark aside, if we won’t do it with Reed Johnson what is to say we would actually use Mitchell that way? New coach I guess?
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Loney is at 107 OPS+ in his career against righties and 79 against lefties. Could a Loney/Russ Mitchell Platoon be an okay compromise? I suppose Loney’s soon-to-be higher salary could make platooning him inconvenient as we could find better hitters to just face RHP and play 1B for cheaper (I’m looking at you, Lyle Overbay. Or Eye Chart could come back if he can make a throw now and you want to go extra cheap).
I guess all of this depends on how much they will try to compete next year.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
If the Dodgers
continue to employ Andre and James against LHP without acquiring a big right handed bat I don’t see how they can compete against LHP. With Kemp being the only “big” right handed bat in the lineup this team is at a huge disadvantage when facing LHP.
Kemp’s 2010 OPS against LHP has dropped 200 points, he’s pretty much doing the same against RHP in 2010 as he did in 2009. Why he can’t pound LHP is something else we can ponder all winter because your power RH bats have to be able to punish left hand pitching.
I'd be quite fine
for him to be our bench guy who can come off the bench and play 1st, 3rd, Of, and 2nd in a pinch. Has a little pop, and can hit left hand pitchers.
I’m not sure what you mean by “key”. If you mean that if the Dodgers plan on giving him 80 starts then I’d agree, but if the Dodgers plan on him being the “key” man on the bench, then I disagree. I’m sure critics of Casey McGehee said the same thing.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mcgehca01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=mcgehe001cas
A Rick Ankiel/Reed Johnson split would be interesting.
Though, so would platooning our RF/3B/1B/probably C next year. Can you have your whole bench made up of platoons and still be successful/cost effective?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
Angels platooned their DH and 2nd baseman when they won the WS
but thats still not the same level as we suggest. There really should be no reason you can’t, other then the cost and difficulty of carrying players to platoon seemingly every single position.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I think part of undertaking such a thing would be having an 11-man bullpen, but so many teams would rather have the comfort of a seventh reliever than a sixth bench player.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 7, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't really know
You’d be starting seemingly sub-par players at multiple positions on a daily basis, but you’d also be better prepared to have rested players throughout the lineup, a deeper bench, and be able to start guys against their strengths rather than throwing out a day game lineup that has has-beens and minor league signings.
If I had more time I’d do a fanpost or something about potential platoon targets for the 8, 5, 3 and 2 spots, their expected costs (would need input) and how that team’s starting lineup and depth would compare to a projected team with guys like Ethier, Loney and Blake starting everyday.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
Well they wouldn't look like sub par players
if they where properly platooned. Cost should not be too much of an issue I would think, since these type of players don’t command super high salaries(unless you are the Phillies).
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Without doing any actual research, just throwing out names, a team of platoons could pursue something to the effect of:
1B: Loney/Mientkewicz
3B: Blake/Blalock
OF: Reed Johnson/Rick Ankiel
C: Varitek/Brian Schneider
You’d have to be okay with a lineup that has Mientkewicz, Hank Blalock, Rick Ankiel and Brian Schneider in it, but your bench would be solid and they’d all be playing to their advantages and only on limited time. Also considered using Chris Ianetta over Varitek but I like the Ausmus-ness he could bring to our pitchers.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
Would I be a dick if I pointed out Eye Chart bats left-handed?
by Eric Stephen on Sep 7, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
He has a higher OPS in his career against leftys
.771 vs 763. Either way I would just move Blake to first and platoon him with Loney. Goodness thats an expensive platoon.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I wouldn’t want to bother with a platoon to get a guy with a .771 OPS against LHP. There are plenty of 800-850 OPS guys against LHP floating around.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 7, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Shouldn't Reed be platooning with Etheir?
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
He'll just have to deal with it like a real man
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I'd make a few changes:
1. As has been noted, but should continue to be noted Minky is left handed.
2. Blalock was cut by the Rays because he could not long hitter hit any kind of pitching.
The key to still carrying 12 pitchers is build players who can play multiple positions. If you are going to platoon you can’t just carry a 1st baseman, or a 3rd baseman.
1B – Loney / Nady
3b – Betemit/Blake
RF – Andre/Johnson(though I think we can do better)
LF -
You can't do better then Andre Johnson
I’m sorry what where we talking about again?
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
by nolander on Sep 7, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Better then Reed?
I thought he hit lefty’s pretty durn well.
LF – Crawford!
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Keep Reed against LHP and he’ll do fine.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 7, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
He should at least get that down to around 1/30-35 PA, and his one HR was off a weak letter high cookie FB.
He does have 8 doubles though, and a triple, and hits line drives 21.9% of the time (per Fangraphs).
In his career against LHP, Johnson has just one HR every 50.5 PA so it’s really not his game. He just hits liners and has gap power, and his lowest OPS against LHP in the last 5 years is .848.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 7, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Right
that is my only beef, if people are going to dump on Loney’s lack of power from a 1st baseman, shouldn’t the same rules be applied for corner outfielders?
Johnson doesn’t have a lack of power against LHP (.162 ISO 2010, .151 ISO career); he just has a lack of home runs.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 7, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
which is fine when you’re hitting line drives and getting a high BA.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 7, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Loney is just off the pace for most
doubles for a Dodger 1st baseman so doesn’t the above comment apply?
He’s somehow managed to do this with a .129 ISO.
Which is impressive in it’s own way.
by regfairfield on Sep 7, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. It’s at least something to be optimistic about.
by regfairfield on Sep 7, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
we should talk about Loney like we do of Reed Johnson: as a platoon player making a small salary :)
by Eric Stephen on Sep 7, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I know
I was just messing around, and had to get a dig in :)
by Eric Stephen on Sep 7, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
No Varitek
Varitek is a Boras client who will be asking for a high minimum salary and at this point is an injury waiting to happen.
Instructional League is the right term
If you are in the area, you should probably check and see if you can stop by.
I want to..
we’ll see. Its all the wayyyy across town. and i hate traffic.
and driving. i hate driving.
Ike Taylor is supposedly faster
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/07/26/is-ike-taylor-faster-than-chris-johnson/
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I was feeling really good about college football until Boise got the ball back one last time :-(
"There’s no reason I can give you that makes sense. A lot of what I do is a feel thing."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Sep 7, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
For those of you in LA who want to combine something I love yet have never tried with something I hate yet watched this Saturday, the Nom Nom truck is at UCLA today:
Nomsters! We will open at about 1030am at Boelter Hall on the UCLA campus. See you there!
Wait till Thursday…they’re on the USC medical campus. Up by Mecca.
by KellyStephen on Sep 7, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
No more baseball in Portland
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-death-of-baseball-in-portland/
Shocked to find this out, I remember just a short time ago some were considering them a possible MLB destination.
i dont like turf
and that hard, disgusting carpet stood out to me as a huge negative. what do i do, i was sloshed anyways.
me too!
Hated it. It’s a quirky lil stadium, but the stadium was flat out empty.
http://www.dingersblog.com
Do most AAA stadiums draw better than PGE?
by Michael White on Sep 7, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess the moral of the story is that professional soccer > minor league baseball.
by Michael White on Sep 7, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Baseball HQ on John Lindsey
John Lindsey (1B, LAD)
A September callup can often be a reward to a hard-working minor league veteran and the 33 year-old is a testament to that. Lindsey has toured the minors since ‘95 and has hit .284/.361/.478. He’s spent the last four seasons in Triple-A and has shown above average pop – he hit 30 HR in ‘07. He’s spent time in the Rockies, Mariners, and Marlins organizations as well as a stint in the independent leagues. Lindsey makes decent contact for his swing, though he’s not blessed with natural hitting skills. He struggles to recognize breaking balls and his bat speed is merely average. His secondary skills are lacking as well. Lindsey doesn’t run well and his defense at 1B is below average. He’ll likely get some at bats as a pinch hitter the rest of the way.
STATS: Albuquerque (AAA) – 408 AB, .353/.400/.657, 41 2b, 25 HR, 0.24 EYE, 0 SB
CURRENT ROLE: Reserve 1B / pinch-hitter
POTENTIAL: Reserve 1B
Imagine where they’d be if they could get Posednik back.
"There’s no reason I can give you that makes sense. A lot of what I do is a feel thing."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Sep 7, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
He was made to DH
just sorry he’s not doing it for the Rays.
I’m sure this was mentioned in the game thread but Manny, Jones, Pierre combined for six hits yesterday.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/DET/DET201009060.shtml
Andruw Jones now has a 2nd half OPS of .935 getting spot starts against LHP.
The White Sox are winning with Omar Vizquel as the everyday 3rd baseman, and they have also won the last seven games he has started at 3rd base. Nothing may be more shocking to me then that.
I only skimmed through the Game Thread after the fact last night (and past the Harry Potter stuff), but I don’t think that was brought up. Very possible I could have missed it though.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 7, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Good morning everybody
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
wtf?
where did the eagle go? Where there not more comments here?
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
No subject line during the work day equals no picture.
by Eric Stephen on Sep 7, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Asinine Rules
So, I find it frustrating to have rules enforced like the one against Michael Young and Don Mattingly this year, and then to see how runners can slide into second without interference calls and how catchers can obstruct the plate without the ball and never being called.
by robotmadeofnails on Sep 7, 2010 11:55 AM PDT reply actions
Well at least you can run the catcher over
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Yes, but he should not be able to be there until he has the ball or is in the act of receiving it.
by robotmadeofnails on Sep 7, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s fine. I have no problem with the way those rules are being called, but it is the inconsistency of stuff like that and what happened to Michael Young and Don Mattingly
by robotmadeofnails on Sep 7, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Basically, these rare instances are being enforced by a strict reading of the rule without thinking about the spirit of the rule, while the spirit of the rule is being completely ignored on the other stuff.
by robotmadeofnails on Sep 7, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Next season
I hope for Wallach as manager, White as GM, Dunn as 1B, Lindsey as Olmedo Saenz, and Loney as a Brave.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 7, 2010 11:57 AM PDT reply actions
Its nice to want things
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
no more Dena for Lex? Or is the Dena a part of the San Gabriel Valley? (I am geographically ignorant of these things)
by Eric Stephen on Sep 7, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Dena is considered in the SGV (even if that’s not wholly accurate geographically speaking.)
by Michael White on Sep 7, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I just want another morbidly obese player so I can make right field pavilion jokes. It just doesn’t work with Ronnie Belliard.
by regfairfield on Sep 7, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t even catch the name change. Bring your cleats this time!
by robotmadeofnails on Sep 7, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Manager – Valentin – shaking things up, want to go to his first press conference wearing a Grouch disguise
GM – DeJon Watson – I’d rather Logan continue to draft then do the Peter Principle on him
1st – Lance Berkman
Mitchell as the Tomato and Andre as a Red Sox
I don’t know what White’s career goals are, but if he wants to be a GM and Watson gets promoted over him… well, if that were me, I would leave the organization.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
by Humma Kavula on Sep 7, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I just noticed on Berkman’s b-ref that his contract details has this comment:
As part of no trade waiver, Yankees agreed not to exercise the 2011 team option $2M paid by Houston Astros
So I take this to mean that he will be a FA? Wouldn’t Berkman want his option picked up as a condition of waiving his NTC?
Maybe he just really really really wanted out of houston
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
He’s already said he’s going back to the Astros
by regfairfield on Sep 7, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Adam Dunn is the sexy pick
but isn’t power the first tool to go? Since that’s his only tool, shouldn’t a team be worried about giving him anything more than a 2 year deal like last offseason?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
I have no interest in Adam Dunn
only because I do enjoy slick fielding first baseman and absolutely hate to watch lumberjacks playing 1st base.
I blame Wes Parker
if I’d started my Dodger career watching Dick Stuart I’d probably have a different opinion.
though it would be entertaining to see him play with a beard and flannel shirt. On the serious tip, I’d rather have Carlos Pena for a few years
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
I wouldn’t offer Pena anymore than I offer Dunn. I’d rather take a flier on Jorge Cantu to see if he can raise his value. If he does, awesome. If he doesn’t, well, 2012 offers a whole slew of potential opportunities for our prospects and some of the sexier names who may never hit the market.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
On the other side I don't care much about lumbering Left Fielders
so I’d have no problem with Dunn in LF.
I thought this too
Dunn in LF wouldn’t be a bad thing, but I wonder if he’d want to move back out there. Also, with Dunn in LF that cements Dre either in our RF or someone else’s LF. I’d have a ton of fun watching BP for the next couple years with Dunn in left, and he may prove to be a very good stopgap in LF until any one of our outfielders get up to the big leagues, but I’m not convinced he’s the right fit.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
We'll be fine
Raffy is going to get his 600 at bats in 2011 so his 2012 option vests. I’m not sure if that would be dream scenario or not.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
I'd honestly test the market for Furcal
I don’t think he’ll come up with a better year than this one, and I’d rather deal him before his 10/5 kicks in (not sure when that becomes effective though). I think you might get a great haul for him, with Theriot or Carroll being the stopgap. Of course that would take Ned having some vision, which he hasn’t really displayed as the GM.
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
Here’s where I’d make some snarky comment about how if you deal Furcal and play Carroll and Theriot everyday then you should start looking at who will be a top 10 pick in the 2012 draft, but he’s only played 80 games this year anyway, so what’s the difference. The only real difference is that Carroll probably can’t physically play everyday.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
What to do about next year is so tricky.
1. The Dodgers are probably missing too many pieces to be a legit contender in 2011…
2. …so trading the chits that have value and will not be a part of the next great Dodger team, might be a good idea. Turn things around quickly and field a competitive team in 2012/13….
3. …but I could be wrong. What if this is just a down year for Kemp and he busts out as a superstar next year? Could happen. We’ll be sorry we traded away all the useful parts… waving the white flag on a season in the previous September isn’t a good idea…
4. …and besides, who wants to see the Dodgers field a 60- or 70-win team? That is a nightmare season….
5. …but you’ve got to do something to avoid finishing around .500 every year.
Tricky.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
I would argue that finishing .500 every year is worse than sucking up a 70 win season once every 10.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
I agree 100%
but Ned might not. And more importantly, FRANK might not, considering he fired the last guy who constructed a 70-win team.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
I agree that 2005 sucking totally worked out.
Do you think that Colletti and, more importantly, McCourt, would look at things the same way? I don’t.
I contend the following points:
1. If the Dodgers go 70-92 next year, Colletti will be fired.
2. If Colletti is fired, he will not be replaced with Ng/White/Watson, but somebody from the outside.
3. That somebody will not be somebody we admire.
4. Thus comes to pass even more instability to an already unstable franchise.
That is a way to make a bad season even worse. We can gripe about the current play of the core, but the only reason these last years have been so good is that (a) the core is as good as it is and (b) Colletti didn’t trade them when he got here.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
That is a way to make a bad season even worse. We can gripe about the current play of the core, but the only reason these last years have been so good is that (a) the core is as good as it is and (b) Colletti didn’t trade them when he got here.
Can’t agree with this. If some of the core had been traded for Miggy, we’d have been better off. We may not know who we could have got but I expect that if we had traded the core this team would be better not worse. What do you think Martin would have been worth after 2007? Andre and Kemp after 2009? Loney after 2006?
Well sure
Miggy is an all-time great player. Acquiring players like him, or Hanley Ramirez, or Chase Utley, or that kind of guy — you do it, no matter the price.
But I think that the type of Cabrera that would have been more likely to be acquired would be Melky, not Miggy, and that would have been a disaster.
We’ll never know, obviously, since this was all speculation.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
We can always trade players away at the trade deadline
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
His 10/5 rights become effective on September 23. But he has a partial no-trade anyway. He ain’t going nowhere.
I don't think he will either,
but if I were the GM, I’d test the market at least. I don’t think the team will be that good next year anyway, unless the FO gets creative.
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
I thought I had heard that too
but Google is unkind to me these days.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
I think everyone has figured
Ned does not like Dunn because “he’s not a Ned player” but I’d be surprised if these weren’t assumptions. Then again if any one can find an actual quote where Ned said he didn’t like Dunn I’ll take back my comment.
I mean if you can sign Manny to play LF, how can anyone figure that Ned wouldn’t bite on Dunn if he felt he could get him for a reasonable contract. Not liking some at $15 Million is different then actually not liking a player.
I think only Riccardi had actual negative words about Dunn.
Monrovia is where I live now….Though Dena is part of the SGV, it stands alone…Monrovia does not.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 7, 2010 12:10 PM PDT reply actions
Cleats are now permanently in the car.
John will be at this weeks game, let’s start him at catcher to ease him in.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 7, 2010 12:11 PM PDT reply actions
Then where the heck do I put Eddie? I reject your suggestion :)
by robotmadeofnails on Sep 7, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
NFSUT
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/9/7/1674897/colletti-has-a-heart
Ramona Shelburne with a followup to her John Lindsey article.
My wife got her class roster for this year today
40 kids, two fourth grade teachers, 80 kids instead of three teachers and 26 students. If they want scores to go up while filling a classroom built for 30 students with 40 students, they are going to have to wait. Plus just for shits and giggles they threw in a kid who needs a full time aid due to the new inclusion policy.
My Buddy found a found in Bell with a charter organization.
He gets a smartboard, a free High end Mac, a free laptop, computers for his students, a new campus, and basically tricked out whatever else you can think of.
Also, 25 students per class.
heh my mom got to play with one of those smartboards for a bit last year
had a lot of trouble figuring out what the hell to do with it
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
My mom is going from having the best year of her short teaching career
to going to another shitty situation. Prick principle, 1/2nd combo, no one will help her get things that are broken fixed or replaced. 4th school in 5 years I think. Really sucks to be a teacher right now.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
My mother-in-law was a 2nd grade teacher
For years — years! — she was debating when the right time to retire was. When we told her that Folly would be coming right around the time this school year would begin, she made the snap decision that this year was the time, so she could be there for the little one.
She is now really, really happy not to be working.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
Are you really, really happy to have the mother-in-law around?
(Actually, I’m sure with the new baby around, any help is a welcome addition)
They always appreciate the help
as long as they keep the suggestions to themselves. Which rarely happens. Eventually there will be problems and Humma won’t need the Dodgers to drink his gin.
I get along great with my mother-in-law.
Truly.
Want to delve more deeply?… Look, it’s always nice when the only adults in the house are the Bride and I. Sometimes having ANYBODY else around is annoying. But Bride’s mom is really a great person. I like her a lot.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
If Dunn is signed
I would then give Sands a shot. One plays LF the other 1B.
Move Loney and Brox for pitcher (Jair Jurjjens? Wandy Rodriguez?)
Does anyone think it would be crazy to convert Furcal into a 3rd baseman? might help his back, and he offers better production than any feasable option I can think of.
The problem is who do you get to play SS? Carroll isn’t really an option for a team that really wants to compete.
I think a more appropriate deal involving Loney is something like Loney for Zambrano and a bunch of cash.
SS would be a gaping black hole again and Casey Blake becomes a $6million bench guy. Personally, Loney and Broxton for Jurjjens would be outrageous for Atlanta to even consider, and us taking Wandy Rodriguez for either of those two when we wouldn’t deal them for Oswalt seems like a stretch.
i don’t think you can do both here. If you sign Dunn, then you are trying to win now and will need Broxton. If you want to trade Loney and Broxton, I would trade them for the best AA SP, 3B and C prospects I could get who project to be able to hit the big leagues in 2012.
We already have enough mixed philosophies going on right now.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
Its pretty damn clear that Dee Gordon will be the SS for the 2012 Dodgers. He’d be moved already if he wasn’t.
Right
Dee Gordon may not be a shortstop, he may not come up in 2012, and it may not be for the Dodgers.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
Tony Jackson has never been wrong
and Ned Colletti has never done something unexpected.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
Tony has been known to be wrong
since when did he become the all knowing on what the Dodgers are thinking? Do you see Sellers on the team?
I meant the Furcal as CF train.
There’s been talk for that since 06 when he first signed with the Dodgers.
Then Yes
1. Easier on the back
2. Great Gun
3. Still has good speed
4. Has enough bat to make it play in CF
everyday a new record with the Yankees
I just gotta say, it seems like every day, some pinstriper records some historical moment. Hey, yesterday A-Rod became the first player in the history of the game to have 100 RBIs in 14 seasons…! If he gets another RBI, he’ll be the first in the history of the game to have 101 RBIs.
The Dodgers were the 1st team
since 1932 to lose to a team who had lost ten games in a row while remaining in 1st place. Does that you give you solace?
ARod has more 100 rbi seasons in only the 21st century then the whole Dodger team combined. In fact he probably has twice or three times as many.
Blake was a bad contract from Jump street, and an even worse trade. His only real value is off the bench as a corner infielder and outfielder. I think, assuming playing at 3B would actually help his back that Furcal could be very valuable there.
I think Houston wanted more than Loney and Broxton for Oswalt. If I remember correctly they wanted Billingsly.
One of Zambrano, Jurjjens, Rodriguez would make this a very good pitching staff. Especially if Lily is brought back.
If Dunn is signed, and Sands brought up (I think very highly of him) then the holes would be SS and catcher. Gordon is far from ready to be a major league SS, and Barajas and a re signed Martin would be whatever. If Lucas May turns into something in Kansas City then MOKM need to go back to their original name.
This organization is very hard to understand when it comes to spending money. If Frank wins, does he leverage the potential TV network into more borrowed money?
No one
was saying Blake was a bad contract in 2009. Do you expect players to be productive every year of a multiple year contract? If so then less then 5 percent of contracts would meet that criteria.
The Twins were saying just that
That’s why they wanted Blake for two years, and not three, and it’s why Blake is a Dodger, not a Twin.
The Omar Moreno of this blog
Lumping Zambrano, Jurjjens and Rodriguez in the same group is a mistake. They are all on separate tiers right now. Zambrano would more than likely be a mistake. Jurjjens shouldn’t cost us any less than Ethier or Kemp based on what I perceive to be what the Braves would need in return to justify dealing him. Wandy Rodriguez is a good pitcher who is about to hit arbitration for the third time.
Again, if you trade Broxton for anything, it should be for a rebuild and you should not then go out and tie yourself up in Ted Lilly or other expensive 35 year olds.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
you can't call the Blake trade terrible at this point
Santana’s future is unknown. Do I wish Ned traded somebody like McDonald instead for Blake? Of course, but I’ll trade a prospect every time for a chance to win a world series, and Blake solidified an impact position and was a key reason we made the NLCS two straight years. It wasn’t his fault we couldn’t beat the Phillies.
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
Oh dear lord not this again
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Afraid so
If Santana turns out to be McCann, then the trade obviously gets reassessed. I don’t know what else people have said about the deal before since I don’t comment often and am new to TBLA, and I frankly don’t care.
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
Basically
we traded for half a year of Blake, we signed Blake in the offseason because we offered the biggest contract. Blake also played shitty in the playoffs. Also, Santana has shown he can hit major league hitting this year.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Wow
I normally stay away from this land mine, and you don’t seem to care….
But is just bad policy to trade a great catching prospect for 2 months of Blake. Now it is possible that Blake only comes with Santana in the deal, but if you are going to trade Santana, you need to get proper value. That is the problem…future outcomes aside.
by robotmadeofnails on Sep 7, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
If you don’t care, why are you discussing it? Is the purpose of commenting simply a forum to express your ideas while not giving a shit about the ideas of others? If so, don’t waste our time.
by Michael White on Sep 7, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know about Pure
but for some people it really is. The most infuriating thing is when some dumbass pops into a forum and “drops some knowledge” about something that has been discussed to death over the previous week as if they are some sort of brilliant profit. Right up there with people who only show up to comment when everything is going poorly.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
You guys act like
everyone who is reading know everything that has been written and talked about before. We have new readers coming in all the time, what are they supposed to do, do a search before bringing up a topic. And just because some of you are sick of a subject doesn’t mean everyone else is. I could care fucking less about many of the OT discussion here but I don’t tell someone to shut it down because it bothers me to have to wade though the BS once again. You all have the options to read or not read. If you dont’ want to read about someone opinon on the Santana deal, then don’t read it.
Like I said I'm not talking specifically about Pure
or this situation, which is why when he said he was unaware of the whole debate I tried to help sum it up for him.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
also this
I don’t have the time or willingness to check in ALL the time every day, or research a topic before I make a comment. This is an open forum for Dodger fans…I actually learn quite a lot about the team from it, so there’s no reason for acrimony. Peace.
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
I just want to be clear
I wasn’t trying bashing on you on my comment above. The Santana bit has certainly not to my knowledge been rehashed recently.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Every time Casey Blake
gets more then a few comments it gets rehashed. Every time we lament the failure of Martin to continue to be a top catcher it gets rehashed. Every time Santana hits a home run in the future it will get rehashed. People still lament Roberte Clement and Pedro Martinez. It is what it is.
true that
Clemente, ugh, I try to forget that story, even though I didn’t grow up a Dodger fan.
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
I think the response is from, “and I frankly don’t care”
by robotmadeofnails on Sep 7, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t tell him to shut it down. I asked what he meant by the “and I frankly don’t care.”
I see he has clarified his position and my points are now irrelevant.
by Michael White on Sep 7, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I over reacted
must be menopause, things are pissing me off lately I never let bother me. Fuck Broxton.
This is why I stopped caring. I am less stressed about the Dodgers now
by robotmadeofnails on Sep 7, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't care if I make an unpopular assertion is all
I know many on here bag on management whenever possible, and I think it’s disproportionate. Who said I don’t care about others’ opinions, that’s not what I meant.
That which is in constant motion contains all possible forms.
This is where I think the miscommunication came from.
by robotmadeofnails on Sep 7, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully because:
A. CarGo woke up today and discovered he had eaten his twin brother while in the womb. While it has given him the power of two, the weight of such knowledge has made him unable to play baseball anymore.
B. CarGo and Fowler discovered they liked taking showers together and don’t feel baseball is the proper environment to raise their children
C. Smith and Helton had a lovechild which will grow up to be a backup QB to one of the Manning kids.
by meercatjohn on Sep 7, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
No one?
I do expect players to perform every year of a 3 year deal, and this is why it was a bad contract, because Blake is old. At this rate, he makes the grade one out of the three.
When you don’t use the reply button it makes it difficult to follow you.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
Who do you want to play third? Because Casey Blake was the best option then, and assuming that Beltre hates us, he’s probably still the best option. Since he’s out of free fall now Blake is hitting better than the average third baseman on the year.
And Josh Bell is terrible right now, he’s not the answer.
Question
Who was the latest Dodger 3rd base prospect who was once loved but once dealt sucked Donkey balls.
I didn't realize we where playing Jeopardy
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Isn't it a bit early
to write off Josh Bell?
He’s also not really relevant to the who should play third next season discussion.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 7, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
you think so?
I would say it is not just as early. Blake is obviously on the decline.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 7, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Blake is on the decline based on his outlier 2009 season. He could however earn the final year of his contract if he simply does what he did before 2009.
Blake's OPS by month
April: .833
May: .827
June: .692
July: .556
Aug: .812
Sept: 1.112
Right
I’m not sure everyone has realized that Blake has been the least of the offensive problems since Aug.
At this point
I think we are assuming everyone is sucking until proven otherwise.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Honestly I haven’t watched a game in 2-3 weeks. I enjoyed watching the Padres losing streak and I enjoyed watching Lilly pitch well for us (where is Michael with Lilly’s xFIP when you need him), but I’ve generally not been able to watch bad baseball anymore this year.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
My emotional reaction to Broxton giving up the jack in the 9th was a shoulder shrug. I used to care deeply about him improving, but now I just don’t this year.
by robotmadeofnails on Sep 7, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Not me
it really pissed me off. I really wanted to sweep the Giants, I may have been more pissed about that jack then any single jack this year.
I guess the way he has been pitching with the way he has been playing just broke me down. I was wishing Kuo could have been saved for the 9th.
by robotmadeofnails on Sep 7, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m done with Broxton. Too many stomach punches.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 7, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Point taken regarding Blake, though he’s gonna start next season at 37 going on 38. This is worrisome.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 7, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I still want to beat the giants…so I was mad at Broxton
by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 7, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn't it a bit early
to write off Josh Bell?
He’s also not really relevant to the who should play third next season discussion.
When GS is non-tendered in 6 weeks
he very well be relevant.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
Well yeah, another prospect purge by Ned, but its still not relevant to next season. Just like Santana is not to the new question at catcher. Wish they both were!
by Lex in Brooklyn on Sep 7, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: I have the coolest girlfriend ever
My birthday was Wednesday, our 5 year anniversary was Thursday. on Thursday she “kidnapped” me and took me to Universal City Walk to the Dodgers Team Store I did not know was there and told me to get whatever I wanted.
Two 23oz glass mugs, a license plate frame, an ID badge holder laniard/necklace and a Kershaw jersey later, I bought that woman dinner.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
by G.Scott on Sep 7, 2010 2:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks
I told someone at work I turned 24 last week and they walked away pissed off.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
I'm sure they did that in mocking
we old goats love to mock you young un’s because it is quite easy, you all get so upset so easily.
Happy Birthday!
I paid for a personalized birthday commercial for you, but unfortunately it will only be airing on FSN West.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
I will find a pirate feed somewhere on the internet!
by robotmadeofnails on Sep 7, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Was my first ever big Dodgers purchase outside of tickets. Looking back on how much I spent on tickets this year, I wish I had just bought a couple jerseys and enjoyed liquor-store priced beer and grilled my own Dodger Dogs at home.
Because, after all, the Dodger Dogs are always grilled.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
well they damn well should
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
too much batter
4 or 5 maybe, but 6? What a maniac.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
I did some independent research and came to a conclusion: There is no time when eating more than two hot dogs in one sitting is socially acceptable.
He reject your answers
not should you do it. No gods or kings, only man or something like that.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
6 corn dogs worth though?
My stomach cringes at the thought.
Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?
Co-worker just walked into office, pointed at his dress shirt and said: “Dodger blue!” He’s a Giants fan.
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