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Latest Dodger Loss Isn't Easier To Take, Even With Luebke

A close game broke open thanks to a series of misplays in the sixth inning, leading to a 4-0 Dodger loss and a Padres' sweep. Cory Luebke became the fourth pitcher to get his first major league win against the Dodgers this season, joining Mike Leake, Luis Atilano, and Felix Doubront.

The Dodgers are playing so badly that they couldn't even properly execute a major league debut. Down 4-0 in the eighth inning, John Lindsey came to bat with two runners on base and one out to face the left-handed Joe Thatcher. After 16 years in the minors, this was Lindsey's major league debut. However, the Padres brought in the righty, Luke Gregerson, and just like that Lindsey was pulled back, in favor of Andre Ethier.

From a baseball standpoint, going with Ethier was the right call, but at this point does it really matter? This team is dead as a doormat right now, and Lindsey's smiling face is the best thing going. Plus, it's not like Ethier has been hitting lately anyway. Vin Scully, on the Prime Ticket broadcast, described Lindsey's reaction like this:

He must have the sweetest nature, he must be the most determined, to spend a lifetime in the minor leagues, to come that close and then come out laughing.

It's hard to get too worked up over this since Lindsey himself didn't, but it would have been nice to see him get to bat in his debut, even with a tough matchup. Lindsey is now forever in the record books as having participated in a major league game, but hopefully in Houston, with his family in attendance, he will get to do so for real.

Russell Mitchell also made his major league debut tonight, starting at first base. Mitchell struck out and flew out in his two at-bats. Trent Oeltjen made his Dodger debut, flying out as a pinch hitter in the eighth inning.

The Dodgers have now lost five straight games and have scored three runs in their last 41 innings.

The Dodgers head to Houston to start a four-game series tomorrow, with Ted Lilly facing Bud Norris.

WP - Cory Luebke (1-1):  6 IP, 2 hits, 1 walk, 7 strikeouts

LP - Chad Billingsley (11-9):  5 1/3 IP, 6 hits, 4 runs, 5 walks, 6 strikeouts

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i haven't

i’m pissed

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 8, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm always comfortably numb

since I spend all day, every day, in a gin buzz.

The Omar Moreno of this blog

by Humma Kavula on Sep 8, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe i should drink gin like the great Kavula

this beer is angering up mah blood

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 8, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

He'll get his chance

I’m amazed at the hoopla over this. It was not a meaningless game.

by meercatjohn on Sep 8, 2010 10:17 PM PDT reply actions  

i just wanted to see him

i’m over it

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 8, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

instead of blaming our team

let’s blame the Padres coach for pulling the ’ole switcher-roo

by DodgerSF on Sep 8, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

It’s Bud Fucking Black who chose Gregerson vs. Ethier instead of LOOGY vs. AAAA guy.

Torre did what he had to do. If Andre jacks it, it’s a one-run game and just maybe…….. they only lose by one instead of four.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 9, 2010 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well

now everyone can relax since the next 4 games don’t matter to anyone except those who think the Dodgers might sign a Type A free agent in the upcoming off-season.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 8, 2010 10:18 PM PDT reply actions  

the first meaningless games

since the Grady Little Era. Wow, that’s kinda weird.

by sarcastro9 on Sep 8, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, Grady has been lurking in my thoughts for a few days
also
will belive the off season moves when I see them
McCourt has no credibility with me today

by 68elcamino427 on Sep 8, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I honestly don’t care what other teams may have a stake in the series. Only the Dodgers matter to me, and if they’re out of it, the game is meaningless.

by Michael Kieser on Sep 8, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

PH’ing a guy that OPS’ed over 1.000 in the PCL isnt mailing it in.

by Joey Joe on Sep 8, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Letting RH AAAA guy hit against a top RH set-up guy

instead of sending up your leading slugger (such as Andre is) who happens to be LH, is mailing it in.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 9, 2010 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Absolutely 100% on the money

Torre is never going to disrespect the managers of the other teams in contention, and he is right on that.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 9, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Honor among knaves.

by berkowit28 on Sep 9, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fuck the Giants

Needless to say, no?

Fuck Larry Bowa in 1980

by NotJoeTorre on Sep 8, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

sideways

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 8, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least we moved up in the reverse standings!

by Bakofan on Sep 8, 2010 10:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Great Lakes

is in a Must Win game situation

by bhsportsguy on Sep 8, 2010 10:19 PM PDT reply actions  

I’m still wondering how playing Mitchell/Lindsey is equated to not trying the hardest the Dodgers can to win…

Its not like the regulars they’d be replacing have been playing any better.

And its baseball..crazy things happen in small sample sizes (See Marlon Anderson and Ronnie Belliard)

by Joey Joe on Sep 8, 2010 10:21 PM PDT reply actions  

You really cannot compare those two to

Anderson and Belliard, no matter what you think about those two, they had played several years in the majors vs two guys making their MLB debut after many many years in the minors.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 8, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

A small sample size is a small sample size.
It was totally unexpected for either of them to hit lights out for a month…

Likewise, it’d be unexpected for Lindsey/Mitchell to do that as well. But just because they’ve been in the minors for a while doesnt mean they have that much less of chance of doing it.

by Joey Joe on Sep 8, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure

and hopefully they both will in Houston.

by meercatjohn on Sep 8, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers outta luck

Dave Stewart outta love(for the Dodgers)…

Got a photograph…

Ok nevermind…

"I still love my ex-wife, but only when we're not talking"

by angelofdeath on Sep 8, 2010 10:21 PM PDT reply actions  

It appears Rob Neyer

may be in the minority of the media on Torre’s move. Thank Ramona Shelburne’s story for helping that opinion out.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 8, 2010 10:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Time to burn one down to take the edge off another loss. I hate to admit how bad we are right now. So I won’t. It sucks to lose. I hope Lindsey starts the game.

by Skunkburner on Sep 8, 2010 10:24 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Drugs are bad, mmmkay?

Fuck Larry Bowa in 1980

by NotJoeTorre on Sep 8, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not if you have a card, or your own garden.

by Skunkburner on Sep 8, 2010 10:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

He is likely to start Friday or Saturday with a pair of LHP starting for Houston.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 8, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

after tonight, he should start Friday AND Saturday

by 68elcamino427 on Sep 8, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT

100 degree weather to turn on the fucking heater!!! All in one week.

LOVE YOU SO CAL

Fuck Larry Bowa in 1980

by NotJoeTorre on Sep 8, 2010 10:24 PM PDT reply actions  

gotta love the radical change in weather

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Sep 8, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

#
# Joe Sheehan joe_sheehan
  
I just want the Dodgers’ performance after the release to be part of the story, too. At least it’s factual and sourced. less than a minute ago via web

# Joe Sheehan joe_sheehan
  
Podsednik, since being anointed upon Manny’s being traded for nothing: .100/.100/.267. Nice guy, though.

Whoa? That bad?

by Tripon on Sep 8, 2010 10:25 PM PDT reply actions  

You must not read my week in reviews! :)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 8, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was claimed by the White Sox on waivers

and the Dodgers let him go. That is the way the procedure is designed to work. Nothing nefarious nor wrong with that. And Joe Sheenhan is number one in not being a fan of the current FO of the Dodger front office anyway.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 8, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

we gave away one of the best hitters ever

for salary so we could play Pods… we deserve to be pissed…

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Sep 8, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

How could anyone be a fan of the current front office?

by Joey Joe on Sep 8, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

JUST HOOK IT UP TO MY VEINS!!!!!!!!!!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Sep 8, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yay protected pick

C’mon Fish, pick it up…

"I still love my ex-wife, but only when we're not talking"

by angelofdeath on Sep 8, 2010 10:29 PM PDT reply actions  

I'll never forget where I was

the night John Lindsey almost came to bat. To a great man. Buon animo.

by kinbote on Sep 8, 2010 10:29 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't know where I was

but I was probably drinking gin.

The Omar Moreno of this blog

by Humma Kavula on Sep 8, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was in my car and a pigeon shit on my windshield

by 68elcamino427 on Sep 8, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Forget 2007. Forget 2005

This is the most disappointed I have been with a Dodger season since 1992. I have never had my high hopes for the season dashed so spectacularly in all my years of rooting for this team.

And to think I really thought we would be playing in the World Series this year. I guess the joke is on me.

by Michael Kieser on Sep 8, 2010 10:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Man

You really set yourself up for disappointment there.

It’s baseball, man. two out of 30 teams make it in. It just wasn’t our year.

by Julio Nievas on Sep 8, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just thought that the team would build on back to back NLCS appearances. I thought they had the talent to go all the way. Oh well.

by Michael Kieser on Sep 8, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

It has been pretty disappointing.

It did seem the team was ready to again enter and have success in the playoffs. Just not our year.

by Jesse S. on Sep 9, 2010 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

You may have missed it, but we played in the last two NLCS

that is success in the playoffs.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/

by G.Scott on Sep 9, 2010 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

to again enter and have success in the playoffs

He thought they would have success this year “again” – I assume that means at least like the last two seasons.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 9, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

He really knows how to handle all type of sticks…

Yay, double entendre…

"I still love my ex-wife, but only when we're not talking"

by angelofdeath on Sep 8, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

pirates should sign him

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Sep 8, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

They can’t afford him.

by Michael White on Sep 9, 2010 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

My favorite Crosby story is that he lived in Mario Lemieux’s basement for years even while he was becoming a superstar player.

by Joey Joe on Sep 8, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

old news

beat you to that story in the previous thread.

by papercrane on Sep 8, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s a recipe for disappointment for every team’s fans.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 8, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, that’ll be a disappointment for Lakers fans as well.

The World Series doesn’t allow basketball teams.

by Tripon on Sep 8, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did not feel nearly the amount of joy I expected when they beat Orlando in 2009. I was stunned by that shallow, empty feeling. However, the win over the Celtics was fucking great. :)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 8, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

Somehow, KG being injured made it a little hollow…

"I still love my ex-wife, but only when we're not talking"

by angelofdeath on Sep 8, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could give a fuck about KG :)

I just literally didn’t experience much happiness in the win.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 8, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

I have no reason why, but just when the buzzer sounded in Game 5 I did not feel as happy as I thought I would.

The Fisher comeback in Game 4 was pretty amazing though. I guess that’s where to moment was.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 8, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that three-pointer was fucking sweeeeet.

by Julio Nievas on Sep 8, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we stepped on Lebrick's dreams

Now that would be different… I could care less about KG being injured then…

"I still love my ex-wife, but only when we're not talking"

by angelofdeath on Sep 8, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will be the biggest Laker fan

this year in the hope they do step on Miami.

by meercatjohn on Sep 8, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope they fail

their arena was empty most of last year even with one of the most explosive players in the game and they get two more superstars.

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Sep 8, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

but remember

Bynum was playing on practically 1 good leg the entire series.

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Sep 8, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

The title wins vs the Nets and Magic were rather void…bc it was so expected the team would win.

by Joey Joe on Sep 8, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was pretty invested in that team though; I enjoyed them for different reasons.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 8, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

the win vs the Nets was a little hollow when compared with the series with the Kings.

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Sep 8, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Born in 1988

nothing else matters

Fuck Larry Bowa in 1980

by NotJoeTorre on Sep 8, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lots of things matter

There have been a shit load of great Dodger memories in the last 22 years.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 8, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I was doomed from the beginning

 My first memories are the 1995 post season.

But I love this team and always will.
Steve Finley’s walkoff is still my favorite Dodger memory, except all things Manny.
I said this last year, I don’t root for a NFL team, I don’t openly root for the Lakers, I don’t root for another baseball team.

Fuck Larry Bowa in 1980

by NotJoeTorre on Sep 8, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is the problem right there

you need a better favorite memory. That one sucks.

by meercatjohn on Sep 8, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, the "all things Manny"

must include the 2008 and 2009 NLDS victories over the 100-win Cubs and the frickin’ Carpenter and Wainwright and Pujols led Cardinals.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 9, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Manny memories, or the Finley one?

Because the Finley one is a seriously kick-ass event.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Sep 9, 2010 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I remain to this day unimpressed

but I understand how you young one’s can hold onto that event like it was a big deal.

by meercatjohn on Sep 9, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Walk off grand slam by a trade deadline player to clinch the division against the giants. I disrespectfully refuse to capitalize giants. Outside of 2008/2009 it’s the best we’ve got.

The next most memorable moment is JD Drew and Jeff Kent getting thrown out at home on the same play.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/

by G.Scott on Sep 9, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with ya'll

a grand slam to clinch the division is pretty sweet. Might not be my favorite memory, but its one of em.

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Sep 9, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

For the sheer mania it produced

Holliday’s groin-shot ranks way up there.

by kinbote on Sep 9, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bah, this team is fucking my mind up. Born on 8/7/87

Fuck Larry Bowa in 1980

by NotJoeTorre on Sep 8, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good teams are fun to watch.

But at the start/end of the season, the goal is a WS championship. I never played a game where it was ok if we didn’t win it all. You can hold your head up for having a good season. But you’re not the champ, and that sucks.
Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.

by Skunkburner on Sep 8, 2010 10:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Kemp for Cano

Will the Yankees still do that trade?

by mightylakers on Sep 8, 2010 10:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Of course they would

In backwards world…

"I still love my ex-wife, but only when we're not talking"

by angelofdeath on Sep 8, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

heh

nope

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Sep 8, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not this winter

but after Cano becomes Cano again, and Kemp goes monster mash we will laugh to think we’d have done that this winter.

by meercatjohn on Sep 8, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lindsey will start on Saturday

says Torre (as per Dylan Hernandez).

Kemp and Furcal will sit tomorrow. Oeltjen will play in the OF.

Exactly how some of us predicted, you know? When they were done with the series that mattered to several teams, they would play more of the newbies.

So there ya go.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 8, 2010 10:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Not good news

<a href=“http:// ”http://bit.ly/ae8Fxv" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/ae8Fxv " >Matt Barnes charged with DV.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 8, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I read that as ED.

by Tripon on Sep 8, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Felony booking tonight

Could be a season with the Lakers turned into a stay in the Gray Bar Hotel.
See ya in the European League Matt.

by 68elcamino427 on Sep 8, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best to wait until all the facts come out.

by Xeifrank on Sep 8, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Looks like a nice guy in that mug shot.

Fuck Larry Bowa in 1980

by NotJoeTorre on Sep 8, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Never liked his signing

Now I know why

"I still love my ex-wife, but only when we're not talking"

by angelofdeath on Sep 8, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

To add to that

I too was with you guys in wanting Lindsey to bat and thought it a bit cruel to pull him, but it was still considered the “right” move and even if we’re living in a Dodger centric universe where we just want to glom on to something, anything, that would be more fun than the pain of the last 2 months, there are like 5 or so teams that are watching that series and wanting the Dodgers to play their “best” players. Now we all know the Dodger regulars have mostly stunk for awhile, for the most part, but the league, the other teams, want them to be trying to win and that means giving your best players at bats.

It was said by quite a few of us here that after this series, when they went to Houston, more of these AAAA players we want to watch for fun, will get some playing time and that’s what’s happening.

Again, I wanted Lindsey to bat too, and I understand the frustration in general given how pathetic they’ve been on offense. But if it’s possible to have a little perspective, there ya go…

Anyway, gives us reason to watch those meaningless Houston games and enjoy it in some way.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 8, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't want perspective

I just want to be mad as hell because the Dodgers flushed a perfectly good season down the toiled. ;)

I really give a lot of credit to Lindsey though. He took his so called “at-bat” like a true gentleman.

by Michael Kieser on Sep 8, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers were sweep by a Whale’s Vagina

by Jaydavis on Sep 8, 2010 10:43 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Dodgers got buzzed by the ‘Flying V’

by 68elcamino427 on Sep 8, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Milk was a baaaad choice

by Jaydavis on Sep 8, 2010 10:47 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Most underrated line in the movie

by Bakofan on Sep 8, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where did you get those clothes, at the toilet store?

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Sep 8, 2010 10:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh well,

In the words of my little girl who reminds me that it’s only a game……
Hakuna Mattata.

by Skunkburner on Sep 8, 2010 10:52 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

In this joke

The Dodgers are the Invisible Man.

by kinbote on Sep 8, 2010 10:57 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

for the callback.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 9, 2010 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Did the Jets win the Super Bowl?

by Eric Stephen on Sep 8, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

Darrell Revis got his money though…

"I still love my ex-wife, but only when we're not talking"

by angelofdeath on Sep 8, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

She’s about to catch…something.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 8, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll play

Not the game though

"I still love my ex-wife, but only when we're not talking"

by angelofdeath on Sep 8, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like that outfit. A LOT.

Fuck Larry Bowa in 1980

by NotJoeTorre on Sep 8, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

i dont see how you could criticize playing mitchell, lindsey, anybody

given how the “regulars” have played – just a heartless, underperforming, uninspiring group. collectively this team should be ashamed of how they have played since the all-star break. simply pathetic.

I have had my share of ballbreaking MOMENTS as a sports fan, but for season long disappointment and frustration and utter failure, the 2010 Dodgers are the runaway winners.

so frank mccourt, ned colletti, joe torre, donnie yankee, larry fucking bowa, jon broxton, ron belisario, octavio dotel, george sherrill, russell martin, casey blake, (oh yes) manny ramirez, matt fucking kemp, rihanna, anyone named “ortiz”, and yes, andre ethier and anyone I may have forgot, fuck you very much and thanks for the bad memories, you got paid millions of dollars to fucking FAIL. FAIL. You FUCKS.

im sorry I spoke ill of you, jamey carroll. sad as it is, at times you were the best we had. godspeed, blake dewitt and j-mac. ted lilly, I think we could have been great together given different circumstances. james loney, eh.

amen.

by lchristmas on Sep 8, 2010 11:04 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Get a grip bro

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Sep 8, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

dude. It's baseball

And stop trying to put it on one guy. This has to do with Andre playing poorly since he got hurt, Matt changing his swing and not being able to fix it, HoF coaches throwing the stars under the bus, trading the best RHH the Dodgers have seen in most likely decades for nothing, Loney hitting 200 since the ASB, injury after injury, Casey Blake still starting.

I could go on. This team had the talent, it didnt happen. Its sports. This happens

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Sep 8, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

What ...
trading the best RHH the Dodgers have seen in most likely decades for nothing

… does Pedro Martinez have to do with this?

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 9, 2010 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

RHH

is right handed hitter. Pedro was a pitcher…

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Sep 9, 2010 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

crossed-eye reading after midnight. Still what ...
trading the best RHH the Dodgers have seen in most likely decades for nothing

… does Mike Piazza have to do with this?

(Imagine my befuddlement when I thought you were talking about JMac!)

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 9, 2010 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Manny is a better hitter than Mike

Mike played C and Manny is an OF, so he had more positional value, but I think Manny is a better hitter

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Sep 9, 2010 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Over the course of their careers, yes Manny was better.

But who was the better hitter when with the Dodgers? Mike.

by Jesse S. on Sep 9, 2010 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, at least when Piazza was moved, the Dodgers got Gary Sheffield in his prime. Monster haul considering.

by Michael White on Sep 9, 2010 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

There are no big trades like that anymore. Teams just bend over and take it while trading out expiring contracts.

by delias man on Sep 9, 2010 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

At the time they were traded, Piazza was at his peak

while Manny was old. Still, Piazza’s OPS+ with the Dodgers was 155, Manny’s was 171. It’s close, but I’ll say Piazza was a better hitter the day he was traded than Manny was the day he was allowed to leave on the waiver claim.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 9, 2010 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Piazza from 1995 to the trade

170 OPS+ with LA.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 9, 2010 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Manny 2009 - until he became a White Sox

153 OPS+ with LA.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 9, 2010 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I misunderstood what your were saying

I thought you were saying career, not LA time. I was talking about career, and even so, Manny was amazing with LA in his 2 seasons with us.

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Sep 9, 2010 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Dodgers got the NL ERA leader at the time (John Tudor) for Pedro Guerrero! :)

by Eric Stephen on Sep 9, 2010 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

The idea of running a Sizzler truck grew after the chain’s chief executive, Kerry Kramp, saw people wait for nearly an hour to get food from vendors parked along Abbot Kinney Boulevard in Venice.

“I became a food-truck-crazy maniac like everybody else because I couldn’t figure out what in the world was making people stand in line for 45 minutes,” he said. “I was thinking, ‘These people should be going to Sizzler.’”

That’s uh, not the point.

by Tripon on Sep 8, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

holy fuck this buffoon would be perfect for the colletti regime

kerry kramp? this guy is making decisions at a multimillion dollar (disgustingly awful) chain of restaurants? fuck the world, we don’t deserve to live in it with assholes like this allowed to run amok

by lchristmas on Sep 8, 2010 11:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Turns out Venable wasn't ruled out of the baseline

per Corey Brock / MLB.com:

Just to clarify, umpire Mike Winters told #Padres manager Bud Black that Venable was tagged. It wasn’t a running out of the baseline issues.

Still a really bad call.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 8, 2010 11:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Dotel, such a bitching trade

I’m going to go break something

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Sep 8, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does gripping my keyboard before smashing something with it

count?

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Sep 8, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

lots of it

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Sep 8, 2010 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

get a grip sis

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Sep 8, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

(didn't want to call you a bro hoe)

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Sep 8, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

hmm, is there a grippier way of saying we’re currently terrible? Or at least a less fratty way?

Wow, we sure aren’t playing baseball well, and won’t be doin the postseason dance, and are becoming hard to watch.

by Josie Becker on Sep 8, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha

no we suck donkey dick. Its ok to say.

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Sep 9, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

get a grip bro

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Sep 8, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chargers might be at the top of the list for teams interested in moving to LA:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-ownerrankingsparttwo090310

Of the teams theoretically in play for L.A. (Vikings, Jaguars, Raiders if Al Davis were no longer in the picture), the Chargers have moved to the top of an increasingly short list, partly because Spanos has come into his own as an owner – and also because his sincere efforts to make a stadium work in the San Diego area have been met with civic indifference. "Without a stadium he realizes they can’t compete [financially], and he has legitimately tried to get one built," the aforementioned AFC owner says of Spanos. "His dream is to go to L.A., and it may happen."

build the fucking stadium, NAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Sep 8, 2010 11:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Too late... LA already has a pro team

They’re called the USC Trojans

"I still love my ex-wife, but only when we're not talking"

by angelofdeath on Sep 8, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

fight on, for old SC
the halfback makes, a salary

but seriously….actually I don’t have anything

by Josie Becker on Sep 8, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Sep 8, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey!

You’re talking about my second favorite team, this weekend anyway.

"There’s no reason I can give you that makes sense. A lot of what I do is a feel thing."

by Little Blue Bicycle on Sep 9, 2010 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fornicate the Chargers, in their aorta.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 8, 2010 11:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

LA Voters have never and will never

approve public funds for a football stadium. If any franchise is moving to LA, they are going to have to privately finance their own stadium (not happening) or get some suburb city (City of Industry anyone?) to help finance it.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 9, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I want the Jags

so I can wash the Texans crush them.

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Sep 9, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've been trying to stay away from the NFL Network

So I just found out that the Niners cut Nate Davis…

WTF Samurai Mike… Nate Davis was our future… LOL

"I still love my ex-wife, but only when we're not talking"

by angelofdeath on Sep 8, 2010 11:46 PM PDT reply actions  

I will quote Tim

“If David Carr thinks you have a bad work ethic, you must find breathing too laborious”.

Thats why he was cut.

Have you ever tried just turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

by nolander on Sep 9, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

speaking of cooking shows

I was basically forced to become a fan of The Next Food Network Star because my teacher was on it… pretty good show

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Sep 9, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Das

he lost in like the first couple episodes. But he wasnt anything like he is in real life

by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Sep 9, 2010 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hells Kitchen starts in two weeks

hell yeah!!!!

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Sep 9, 2010 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

For the record

I thought Torre screwed up

1. by not hitting for Chad to start the 6th, with maybe high OBP guy Jamey Carroll. Thanks to Sept. callups he’s got a bloated bullpen and with SD having 7-8-9 coming up in the 6th, he can try and sneak Weaver, Troncoso, hell, even Link there. Chad was up into the 90s in the pitch count and wasn’t likely to go more than one inning anyway.

2. by not bringing in Sherrill for Bills when AGon came up with the bases loaded and one out. Sure, Bills got him to hit a mere sac fly, which was almost cheap enough, but why else was Sherrill up except to face AGon with runner on? Isn’t he more likely to induce a harmless out or maybe a GIDP from him than Chad was?

but not 3. by PHing Ethier for Lindsey. That’s what he absolutely must do in that situation. No doubt in my mind. Lindsey will get a start in Houston – in totally meaningless games – and Torre knows he can make that happen. Ethier has to hit there, just for the small chance he’ll hit a bomb against a RH reliever.

BTW, was I the only one who thought Ethier was limping a bit after runner out that GIDP?

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 9, 2010 12:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Chad had 98 pitches through 5 IP

Even a nice, neat, 12-pitch sixth would have him up to 110 pitches and probably done for the night.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 9, 2010 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought Ethier was limping the other night as well. I forget if it was Monday or Tuesday night.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 9, 2010 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

he had a serious grimace on his face after being thrown out. I’ve thought all along that this team shouldn’t have been anything but solid if they were healthy, and him having some sort of injury wouldn’t surprise me.

Based on the way he is jumping at balls at the plate, he probably has something that is affecting his bat speed. I’m picking oblique muscle to win, and back muscle to place.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/

by G.Scott on Sep 9, 2010 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also thought he may be limping to give people something to talk about besides his performance, maybe as a shadow injury to mask his poor play, but i also don’t see him as doing that. Course, maybe Manny left a little black book of how to get out of playing in those pesky late season games.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/

by G.Scott on Sep 9, 2010 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or

he is just having a bad second half

by bhsportsguy on Sep 9, 2010 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

He is

but I assume that is the result of something other than him forgetting how to play baseball.

He is jumping at pitches because either mentally or physically he feels he can’t catch up to a good fastball. Everyone goes through it, and before anyone asks, no I don’t have a personal line to Andre Ethier’s body (DOWN JOSIE) to know if this is fact. However, the way his swing looks that would be my very first guess.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/

by G.Scott on Sep 9, 2010 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know it's late but...

…that’s a hilarious headline.

"There’s no reason I can give you that makes sense. A lot of what I do is a feel thing."

by Little Blue Bicycle on Sep 9, 2010 7:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Lou, not Willie

or was that a sly homage to Phil? Willie is definitely of our era.

The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Sep 9, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh wow

I completely had Willie in my head, too.

by Eric Stephen on Sep 9, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Today

is the perfect day for Torre to announce his retirement.

by kinbote on Sep 9, 2010 7:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Whatever day Joe Torre retires on

will have been one day too late

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/

by G.Scott on Sep 9, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Since every manager follows the same patterns

I always tend to give most of the credit and blame to the players.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 9, 2010 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

As it should be. And I assume that when I don’t understand a move I just don’t have all the information the coaches do. But, I’ve questioned so many of his moves this year, namely the use, misuse and overuse of certain players (Broxton and Kuo spring to mind), that I can’t wait for Tim Wallach.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/

by G.Scott on Sep 9, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't get the overuse of the closer role

since the Dodgers really have never had a period of consistent games where they would be using that particular pitcher in a save situation.

by bhsportsguy on Sep 9, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

fair enough, but without looking, he did have a stretch of 4 games where he threw 91 pitches. That’s unacceptable as far as I’m concerned.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/

by G.Scott on Sep 9, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

of course now that I mention it I can’t find it.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/

by G.Scott on Sep 9, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lindsey's career stats

When a guy appears in a game the way Lindsey did, what does he get credited/charged with?

A plate appearance?
An inning of play (or 1/3 of an inning?)

Thanks.

People don't think it be like this, but it do.

by MartinGreen on Sep 9, 2010 8:25 AM PDT reply actions  

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Italics denote estimates
Pos No Player 2012 Salary
C 17 Ellis $500,000 team control
1B 7 Loney $6,375,000
2B 14 Ellis $2,500,000
3B 5 Uribe $8,000,000
SS 9 Gordon $485,000 team control
LF 21 Rivera $4,000,000
CF 27 Kemp $10,000,000
RF 16 Ethier $10,950,000

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2B/3B 3 Kennedy $800,000
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IF 12 Sellers $485,000 team control

SP 22 Kershaw $8,500,000 arb
SP 58 Billingsley $9,000,000
SP 29 Lilly $12,000,000
SP 37 Capuano $3,000,000
SP 44
Harang $3,000,000

CL 54 Guerra $485,000 team control
RHP 74
Jansen $500,000 team control
RHP 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
RHP Coffey $1,000,000
RHP 66 MacDougal $650,000
LHP 57 Elbert $485,000 team control
RHP 36
Hawksworth $500,000 team control

TJ 41 De La Rosa $485,000 team control



Manny $8,087,432 deferred


Andruw $3,375,000 deferred


Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
Furcal $3,000,000 deferred
Kuroda $2,000,000 deferred
Garland $1,500,000 option buyout
Blake $1,250,000 option buyout

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$114,662,432

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Current 40-man roster count: 40
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2012 Non-Roster Invitees

No Player Age*
63 Jose Ascanio rhp
27
61 Alberto Castillo lhp
36
60 Matt Chico lhp
29
35 John Grabow lhp
33
59 Angel Guzman rhp
30
47 Wil Ledezma lhp
31
72 Shane Lindsay rhp
27
62 Fernando Nieve rhp 29
73 Scott Rice lhp 30
70 Will Savage rhp
27
71 Ryan Tucker rhp
25

30 Josh Bard c 34
82 Griff Erickson c 24
81 Matt Wallachc 26
67 Jeff Baisley 3b/1b 29
62 Luis Cruz ss/2b 28
33 Josh Fields 3b 29
64 Lance Zawadzki if 27
56 Cory Sullivan of 32

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