2011 Dodgers Exit Interviews: Infielders
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 12:16 PM PDT
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Our 2011 exit interviews brings us to the infield, whose production left a lot to be desired. The Dodgers' infielders combined to hit just .260/.316/.344 on the season with a National League-worst 26 home runs. The Dodgers were in the bottom half of NL teams in both adjusted OPS and adjusted wOBA at first base (14th of 16 teams in OPS+, 12th in wRC+), second base (16th, 10th), and third base (13th, 11th). The shortstops managed respectability by ranking eighth in OPS+ and seventh in wRC+.
Juan Rivera made 13 starts at first base, and Jerry Sands started three games there, but their vast majority of time came in the outfield, so they aren't counted here. Here is a look back at the 12 infielders for the 2011 Dodgers.
James Loney
What went wrong: Loney was on his way to one of the worst offensive seasons ever by a first baseman, hitting .251/.294/.318 as late as August 6 with 13 doubles and four home runs in 111 games. A third straight season with a sub-.400 slugging percentage was a given.
What went right: In his final 47 games of the season Loney went off, hitting .375/.438/.644 with 17 doubles and eight home runs in 180 plate appearances. Loney amazingly turned a historically bad season into his best offensive season since 2007.
Loney made significant changes to his swing during the season, which were broken down in detail by Chad Moriyama back in September. There is at least a glimmer of hope that Loney's late surge represented a fundamental shift that could carry over into 2012. That Loney even got to this point, given how far he had fallen, is quite an accomplishment.
2012 status: Loney has one more year of arbitration eligibility. Earlier in the year, he was lock to get non-tendered this December, but his final two months pretty much eliminated that possibility. Loney made $4.875 million in 2011. Look for his 2012 salary to start with a six.
Jamey Carroll
What went right: Carroll continued to provide versatility for the Dodgers, filling in for an injured Rafael Furcal at shortstop for the second straight season, and sliding over to second base after Dee Gordon arrived on the scene. Carroll started 57 games at second base and 54 more at shortstop, and his .359 on-base percentage and 47 walks were both third on the team behind Matt Kemp and Andre Ethier.
What went wrong: Though he had a good season at the plate, Carroll really struggled with runners in scoring position. He walked a lot (16 times in 106 plate appearances), but hit just .193/.333/.193 (16 singles in 83 at-bats, no extra-base hits) with RISP. As a result Carroll had 17 RBI, tied for the fifth fewest from anyone with 500 plate appearances since 1901.
2012 status: Carroll is a free agent, after proving to be a bargain for the two years and $3.85 million (plus another $600,000 in bonuses) he signed for two years ago. He turns 38 in February, so he might not get another multi-year deal, but he will a coveted infielder this offseason.
Aaron Miles
What went right: Miles was on fire in June, leading the National League with a .419 batting average, hitting .419/.418/.500. He had a stretch through July 1 when he collected 29 hits in 59 at-bats, the same number of hits than he had during his entire 2009 campaign in 157 at-bats with the Chicago Cubs.
What went wrong: Outside of June, Miles hit .253/.298/.321 in 423 plate appearances. Miles is a fine addition as the 25th man on the roster, but injuries and poor play from pretty much everyone in the infield forced Miles all the way up the depth chart to the point where he started 110 games and came within nine PA of qualifying for the batting title.
2012 status: Miles is a free agent. He signed a minor-league deal in 2011, but he'll get a major league deal in 2012 from some team, maybe even the Dodgers.
Dee Gordon
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What went right: Gordon had two stints with the Dodgers in his rookie season, and showed marked improvement his second time up. He hit .345/.367/.408 with five walks and 11 strikeouts in 148 plate appearances in that second stint, compared to two walks and 16 strikeouts in 85 PA, hitting .232/.250/.280 in his first month in Los Angeles.
Gordon stole 24 bases in 56 games in his rookie season, a 162-game pace of 69 steals, a figure only reached by Maury Wills (twice) and Davey Lopes in Dodgers history since 1900. Gordon also led the National League with 42 hits in September.
What went wrong: Ideally, Gordon should walk more. His seven walks in 233 PA represent a walk rate (3.0%) less than half the figure he posted in his four minor league seasons (6.5%). Defensively, Gordon showed flashes of brilliance but also had 10 errors in just 54 games at shortstop.
Also, just because Gordon is faster than everybody else doesn't mean he shouldn't throw the ball during a rundown.
2012 status: Gordon is the shortstop of the future and the shortstop of the present. He has three years of team control before he even reaches arbitration eligibility, so Gordon is likely to be the shortstop for the better part of the next decade.
Casey Blake
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What went right: Blake grew his beard and kept it all season. In April, Blake started 14 games and hit .321/.446/.509 with two doubles, a triple, and two home runs.
What went wrong: Blake's age 37 season was interrupted early and often with various injuries. He hurt his back in spring training and missed the first week of the season. Then in late April he had an infected left elbow and missed a month. Blake missed nearly all of July with a neck injury, then played through pain for a month before shutting it down on September 1, finally having neck surgery which ended his season. Blake's 63 games played and 239 plate appearances were his lowest totals since 2002.
2012 status: Blake is a free agent after the Dodgers declined his $6 million option, instead paying Blake a $1.25 million buyout.
Juan Uribe
What went right: On July 9 against the San Diego Padres, the Dodgers didn't have a hit through 8 2/3 innings of a scoreless tie. Uribe ended San Diego's no-hit hopes with a double, then scored on an RBI single by Dioner Navarro for a walk-off win. This may have been the unlikeliest of wins for the Dodgers this season, as the heroes were one guy who was taken on a Fredo Corleone fishing trip in August and another in Uribe who would have been on the boat too if he didn't have another $15 million in salary due him in 2012-2013.
What went wrong: If Dodgers fans didn't already have the putridity of Andruw Jones as a reference point, Uribe would likely define the worst case scenario of a Dodgers free agent signing. He hit .204/.264/.293 with four home runs in 77 games, and ended his season with 91 plate appearances without a home run.
Uribe even had a bad year in his medical diagnoses. Having already made one trip to the disabled list with a hip flexor strain in May and June, Uribe was placed on the disabled list with a hip strain in late July. What began as a few weeks on the sideline eventually got reclassified as a sports hernia and season-ending surgery. Uribe missed the final 61 games of the year.
2012 status: Uribe will make $8 million in 2012 in the second year of a three-year contract.
Justin Sellers
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What went right: The Huntington Beach native got called up to the Dodgers on August 12 when Gordon was placed on the disabled list, and made the most of his opportunity. Sellers hit is first major league home run on August 14 in front of family and friends, and had six extra-base hits in his first 57 MLB plate appearances.
Sellers showed a good eye at the plate, walking in 8.6% of his major league plate appearances. In three years in the Dodgers minor league system Sellers has walked in 11.3% of his PA.
What went wrong: After that hot start, Sellers had 10 hits in 72 at-bats, hitting .139/.232/.194.
2012 status: Sellers has the range and the arm to play any infield position, and will be in the mix for at least a utility infielder spot next year.
Russ Mitchell
What went right: Sergio Santos of the Chicago White Sox began his 2011 season by not allowing a run in 16 appearances and 20 innings, but that 21st inning was a doozy. Mitchell hit a game-tying home run in the ninth inning off Santos on May 20 in a game the Dodgers would win in 10 innings.
Mitchell increased his walk rate, from 6.8% of his minor league plate appearances in 2010 to 11.7% in 2011. In the majors, Mitchell went from no walks in 43 PA last year to seven walks in 58 PA this season.
What went wrong: Mitchell hit .157/.259/.294 with the Dodgers in 2011, and that was an improvement over 2010.
2012 status: Mitchell has two options remaining, so he'll be around a while. Whether or not he can be a viable option off the bench remains to be seen.
Eugenio Velez
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What went right: Velez drew a walk against Cliff Lee on August 9, one of three times Velez reached base in 40 plate appearances with the Dodgers.
What went wrong: Everything else. Velez set a major league record in 2011 for most at-bats in a season by a position player without a hit, going 0 for 37. Factor in that he ended his 2010 season in San Francisco hitless in his final nine at-bats, and Velez set another major league record for most consecutive at-bats by a position player without a hit, at 46.
Velez also had a 1-for-20 stretch immediately preceding that final 0-for-9 run in 2010, so he has one hit in his last 66 major league at-bats. If we want to stick with 2011 only, Velez doubled in the first inning on June 30 with the Triple A Albuquerque Isotopes, then went 0-for-11 before getting called up to the Dodgers. So Velez finished his 2011 campaign with no hits in his final 48 at-bats.
2012 status: The Dodgers outrighted Velez to Triple A on October 4, removing him from the 40-man roster. He's an option for a bench spot, but far, far down the depth chart.
Ivan DeJesus
What went right: DeJesus made the major leagues for the first time, making the opening day roster. In Triple A, DeJesus found his batting eye again with 29 walks in the final 43 games of the season.
What went wrong: DeJesus had six singles in 32 at-bats in three different stints with the Dodgers. For the second consecutive season, DeJesus was denied a September call-up.
2012 status: It's hard to envision any kind of future for DeJesus with the Dodgers. If they thought anything of him, they would have called him up in September. DeJesus has one option year remaining.
Rafael Furcal
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What went right: After a season of injuries, Furcal showed a glimpse of his "when healthy" self in the final week of July, hitting .364/.500/.500 in six games leading up to the trade deadline. The trade of Furcal knocked $1.4 million off the payroll and also paved the way for Dee Gordon to take the reins at shortstop.
What went wrong: Injuries were the story for Furcal in 2011, as he missed a month and a half in April and May with a broken left thumb, then missed another month with a strained left oblique in June. In 37 games with the Dodgers, Furcal hit .197/.272/.248.
2011 departure: Furcal was traded to the St. Louis Cardinals on July 31, along with $2.5 million, for Double A outfielder Alex Castellanos.
Juan Castro
What went right: In his fourth time around with the Dodgers, Castro had a pair of memorable extra-inning moments. He drove in the go-ahead run with a 10th-inning single at U.S. Cellular Field on May 20 to help beat the White Sox. In his final major league plate appearance, Castro singled in the 11th inning to start a four-run rally in Cincinnati in a win over the Reds on June 4.
What went wrong: Castro's time with the Dodgers was brief this year and he played four games at second base and another at third base in 2011. But for the first time in his 17 major league seasons, he didn't play a single game at shortstop.
2011 departure: Castro retired on July 10 and joined the Dodgers front office as a Special Assistant in baseball operations and player development.
The pictures of Gordon, Blake, Sellers, Velez, and Furcal were courtesy of Getty Images.
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Don't want this to get buried in the last thread
Would rather see that on the sleeve than the LA, perhaps as this
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Oct 11, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Not a bad idea
Already have LA on the cap, and the road unis say “Los Angeles” across the front, so why not the Dodger shooting ball logo on the sleeve?
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From your link
a hilarious comment there:
The Dodgers and Giants moved to the west coast to get away from the lower class people and isn’t life so grand. LA County is 2/3 lower class and the Giants have cursed themselves out of ever winning another world series. ANd the Mets became more successful in NY than the Dodgers were. Thats why I don’t have any resentment.I had to laugh.
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OT: two things
Josie, Your t-shirt shiped out today.
Second, and I normally don’t pimp this stuff out but, Yahoo had an article today about Japan trying to bolster their tourist trade by giving away an ass load of free air fare to Japan, targeting “influential blogers” and I thought of some of the folks on here. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/10-000-free-round-trip-tickets-japan-134142507.html
It would not be a bad deal the whole way round.
oh I was saying wicked, the Bunnyranch shirt jack bought me shipped : )
by Josie Becker on Oct 11, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I look forward to Eric's series
on the NPB.
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Japan has an existing soccer league I’d love to write on
by Josie Becker on Oct 11, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Eric merely needs to use his powers as a blogger.
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You ask for miracles
I give you the N P B
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I know he was historically awful this season
…and he’s way down on the depth chart, but I believe that we haven’t seen the last of Velez as a Los Angeles Dodger. He’s the sort of bench player that Ned loves: can’t hit, but gets along well with the other players and has a professional haircut. I could easily picture him as a September call-up next season and doing a lot of pinch running, with a handful of plate appearances and a few late-game defensive replacement appearances thrown in.
by The Dude Abides on Oct 11, 2011 12:45 PM PDT reply actions
Really?
Maybe you should take a look at every single teams 25th player. The last man standing on every bench.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
And the 25th man is usually the first man cut/reassigned/phantom DL. Even Navarro had more uses for the Dodgers as a back up catcher/9th PH man, and they cut him.
With the way Velez play, it felt twice as long. :) I had fun with his hitless streak as much as the next guy, but damn, sometimes you need to put that bullet in Old Yeller’s head.
You could have put someone even remotely competent out there like Ivan DeJesus and maybe, just maybe won an extra, meaningless game. Or you can witness a 100 year old record go down. Your choice.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Velez was totally worth having this season
He pinch-ran for Barajas and scored the winning run in this game, giving Kershaw his 18th win and Lincecum a ND. That’s enough for me.
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by David Young on Oct 11, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Velez also set the Dodgers record for most runs in a season without a hit, with five.
Suck it, Merwin Jacobson.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
What is the mark for a real baseball player?
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Stuffy Stewart with 10 runs for the 1929 Senators.
The top four on the list for most runs w/o a hit were 1970s A’s. Besides Herb, name the other three.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Tied with Rodney McCray with 8 runs. Dilone did so for the 1975 Pirates.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m just happy to have conjured up a relevant name at all.
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I'll give one of the three
Darrell Woodward, for the 1978 A’s, he scored 10 runs, but did have 10 PA (0 for 9 plus a walk)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
And I would have guessed Matt Alexander here too, but two of those one-hit seasons were with Oakland.
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Everyone since 1901 with 5+ runs and 0 hits in a season
Rk Player R Year Age Tm G PA AB BB SO SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS Pos
1 Herb Washington 29 1974 22 OAK 92 0 0 0 0 29 16 D
2 Larry Lintz 21 1976 26 OAK 68 4 1 2 0 31 11 .000 .667 .000 .667 D/497
3 Allan Lewis 16 1973 31 OAK 35 0 0 0 0 7 4 D/7
4 Darrell Woodard 10 1978 21 OAK 33 10 9 1 1 3 4 .000 .100 .000 .100 4/D5
5 Stuffy Stewart 10 1929 35 WSH 22 7 6 1 0 0 1 .000 .143 .000 .143 /4
6 Rodney McCray 8 1990 26 CHW 32 7 6 1 4 6 0 .000 .143 .000 .143 /8D97
7 Mike Dimmel 8 1977 22 BAL 25 6 5 0 1 1 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 9/8
8 Miguel Dilone 8 1975 20 PIT 18 6 6 0 1 2 2 .000 .000 .000 .000 /8
9 Johnny Hudson 8 1945 33 NYG 28 12 11 1 1 0 0 .000 .083 .000 .083 /54
10 Brandon Hicks 7 2010 24 ATL 16 6 5 1 2 0 0 .000 .167 .000 .167 /564
11 Jay Loviglio 7 1980 24 PHI 16 6 5 1 0 1 2 .000 .167 .000 .167 /4
12 Sergio Ferrer 7 1979 28 NYM 32 9 7 2 3 0 2 .000 .222 .000 .222 5/64
13 Tom Burgmeier 7 1968 24 CAL 71 3 2 1 0 1 0 .000 .333 .000 .333 *1/7
14 Gerald Williams 6 2002 35 NYY 33 19 17 2 4 2 0 .000 .105 .000 .105 *9/78D
15 Alberto Lois 6 1979 23 PIT 11 0 0 0 0 1 1
16 Lonnie Smith 6 1978 22 PHI 17 8 4 4 3 4 0 .000 .500 .000 .500 /789
17 John Scott 6 1975 23 SDP 25 9 9 0 2 2 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 /8
18 Joe Christopher 6 1959 23 PIT 15 14 12 1 4 0 0 .000 .077 .000 .077 /*9
19 Eugenio Velez 5 2011 29 LAD 34 40 37 2 11 1 0 .000 .075 .000 .075 4/7
20 Andy Stankiewicz 5 1993 28 NYY 16 10 9 1 1 0 0 .000 .100 .000 .100 /456D
21 Rusty McNealy 5 1983 24 OAK 15 4 4 0 0 0 1 .000 .000 .000 .000 /D879
22 Blue Moon Odom 5 1973 28 OAK 51 1 1 0 0 1 2 .000 .000 .000 .000 *1/D
23 Pepper Martin 5 1930 26 STL 6 1 1 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000
24 Chick Fullis 5 1928 24 NYG 11 2 1 1 1 0 0 .000 .500 .000 .500
25 Johnny Burnett 5 1927 22 CLE 18 8 8 0 3 1 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 /4
Rk Player R Year Age Tm G PA AB BB SO SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS Pos
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Generated 10/11/2011.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Tom Burgmeier and Blue Moon Odom were pitchers!
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I was gonna guess Matt Alexander, but he had four seasons with exactly 1 hit.
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Oh, Matt Alexander
I had 17 of your 1981 Topps card
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
It is sorta like Aardman looked at this card and said, “That’s it! THAT’s Wallace’s smile!”
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
The gift that keeps on giving
Of course, the pic of Barajas and Gordon is the gif that keeps on giving.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
He may get an invite to ST next year out of professional courtesy or somesuch, but in all likelihood, he will get the NRI from some other team and become their problem.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
He had never been outrighted before October 4. I believe the Dodgers hold his rights for another year. Unless he is a six-year minor league free agent (not totally sure on that).
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
We need room for Scott Proctor
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Oct 11, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
My enduring memory of him this year will still be in ST, he went like three full innings in the dugout with a bubble gum bubble on his hat, while his teammates were just cracking up around him.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I remember Dave in spring training making a crack about Velez’s slight build, but I can’t remember the circumstances. Velez, Dee Gordon, and the clubhouse TV were involved, but I don’t remember the placement of the characters.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Velez was hitting on the TV and I said something about how slight his frame was, but still bigger than Gordon. A player nearby said something like, yeah him and Justin Sellers too. That player was Aaron Miles.
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I remember they threw Velez over at 3B later in one game while we were out there and he looked a little out of place but fielded a bunt nicely. Did he get hurt while we were there?
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He might do it, but it won’t be because he likes him, it’ll be because at this moment the fourth best middle infielder in the organization is Ivan DeJesus, guys get hurt, and sometimes you have to run plan E out there.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I look forward to the LA Chargers playing in their own stadium for Super Bowl 50
by Josie Becker on Oct 11, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
you have to provide a counter bet, I’m not letting you bet the field
by Josie Becker on Oct 11, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s been saying Jacksonville for as long as he’s been a man
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
we can draw lots, anyone else want in? : ) If we get enough, we might be able to set a prize
by Josie Becker on Oct 11, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
What I want to do, is make it a dollar a lot, you buy your horse (team whatever), the pot gets used to buy the prize, and I’d present it at the TBLA event, assuming TBLA still exists in it’s current, getting together form
by Josie Becker on Oct 11, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
and not enough teams to make it worthwhile. at best you could have four people betting.
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you’re right. but now I’ve got this piece of paper divided into 32 squares for nothing
by Josie Becker on Oct 11, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
What went wrong
Carroll and Miles combined for 1000 PA. If I was told only that one fact about the 2011 season before it started, I would know the season didn’t go well.
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What if I said “Jamey Carroll and Aaron Miles will combine for 1000 PA, and the team finished over .500”
What would your assumptions have been?
Kershaw died.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Loney must have had a slug% over .600 for 1/3 of the season.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 11, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Humma’s prediction was off by one game.
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I didn’t realize before that they ended up right at exactly 1,000 PA as a pair. Right on the button.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Can’t help but think DeJesus is not history.
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Religious fiction?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Gut, I think we are seeing to much into the fact they did not call him up this Sept. Quite a few guys earned callups this season and were ignored.
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The only other person on the 40-man not called up was Jamie Hoffmann, no?
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but historically the Dodgers have called up players in Sept not on the 40 man who had big minor league seasons.
I think. Not in the mood to check, simply an opinion at this point.
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But I think in the specific case of DeJesus, he has pissed in the punch bowl. I don’t buy for a moment that he starts the year in the mix for second base.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m gonna go outside the box and say Ivan DeJesus eventually plays a year of uninspiring baseball for the A’s, not the Pirates.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
All I know is that Mattingly seemed to like him so I expect him to get a chance. This is the part of being part of the media that might pose a problem. I’ve only dealt with Donny a few times, he seemed to really change his inflection when talking about DeJesus, and this is a guy who is about as emotional as a lizard in the sun.
I will say this, that if Seller is involved in the mix then DeJesus will be involved in the mix, but I think we both expect something else.
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we need dejesus to win us a game with a suicide squeeze
so we can use the headline ‘dejesus makes the ultimate sacrifice’
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 11, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn, not one major league player with the name of Judas. Bet it was popular back in the day.
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After Ivan is unceremoniously sent down in spring training, then called up in June once Plans A-D fail, he faces the Padres in a battle for first place, only for Gregerson to strike him out with the bases loaded to end the game.
“Luke Lets Prodigal Son DeJesus Return Victorious”
Jason Marquis throws beanball, IDJ2 brushes himself off, hits home run.
“Jew Don’t Fuck with DeJesus!”
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
by Nolij on Oct 11, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or
Navarro shows up at the stadium, pees in his shoes, puts too-small pants in his locker.
“Nobody Fucks with DeJesus”
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I want DeJesus DFAed immediately now.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
2012 status: It’s hard to envision any kind of future for DeJesus with the Dodgers. If they thought anything of him, they would have called him up in September. DeJesus has one option year remaining.
DeJesus is another longshot. Two things to remember with DeJesus: (1) the Dodgers did not recall him from Albuquerque last September when rosters expanded; and (2) have options, will travel.
— Eric Stephen on Feb 21, 2011 10:30 AM PST
Yet he made the 2011 Opening Day roster anyway. If he shows up with a “new attitude” this spring, maybe he gets a 25th man job again. Who knows?
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To be fair he and Vector only made the opening day rosters because of injuries as backups. Neither was given any chance to play.
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Blake was hurt
But I don’t think Castro and Velez were. Not that they were great choices either. Opening Day infielders: James Loney, Jamey Carroll, Rafael Furcal, Juan Uribe, Aaron Miles, Ivan DeJesus. It doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme of things. But I tend to agree that DeJesus will be around, depending on how many NRI middle infielders are invited to ST.
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Unless he’s traded he’ll be around. My only point on this is that if Sellers is involved in a battle for second, DeJesus will also be.
But if this team starts spring training with Sellers / DeJesus battling for second then
1. They brought in a huge bat, and not just a bat to replace Andre but a bat in addition to keeping Andre
2. They are in deep shit.
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Agreed.
3. They didn’t re-sign Aaron Miles for $600,000 – which may imply 2.
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You could take this entire team and hand them the ball in April and I’d feel purty good about them provided it did not include Eovaldi as the fifth starter in April.
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No, the one exception to my comment is that I’d like one more starting pitcher, with Eveland as Eovaldi insurance when we have a rotational injury. Of course in my mind that would be Kuo but no one wants to jump on my Kuo as a starter bandwagon.
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Can his elbow handle it? What would the over/under on the number of starts you could get out of the hunch-arm be? Maybe 6 or 7?
At this point
its less a question of his elbow and more of the people sitting behind home plate when his yips come back and he starts bombing Speedballs at them.
by EMDarrow on Oct 11, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lineups for Game 3
Kinsler 2B
Andrus SS
Hamilton CF
Young 1B
Beltre 3B
Napoli DH
Cruz RF
Torrealba C
Chavez LF
Lewis P
Jackson CF
Kelly 3B
Young LF
Cabrera 1B
Martinez DH
Avila C
Peralta SS
Raburn RF
Santiago 2B
Fister P
I don't want to start anything but
per Sonoma State survey in December 2010, there were 7359 total students, of which 4509 are women (61%) to 2880 men (39%).
That figure breakdowns about the same for undergraduate and graduate students.
My niece is going there for her Psych Grad work.
An ex-student of Verdell’s is also going there as a freshperson.
I heard that some guys can pitch there and then get into the Human Resource field.
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I pray for anyone who wants to get a business degree at SSU. That whole department is corrupt. I believe the school is currently or has recently been audited by the FBI for various charges.
but, alternatively, if you want a job with the FBI, Sonoma has the contact info
by Josie Becker on Oct 11, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
#Idonthavefactstobackthis
but, I’m gonna assume as you move down the prestige ladder with colleges, the radio is going to tip, since working class jobs needing no college education are almost exclusively reserved for men. Stanford, Harvard, Vanderbilt are gonna be closer to 50/50, but State U is gonna have more women cause they won’t see auto mechanic or baseball player (added after Phil’s post) as an alternative
by Josie Becker on Oct 11, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
That appears to be the case
though they do tend to trend to slightly more women. Of course all of the University of California schools have more women then men, at a glance UCLA has slightly more than Cal.
since working class jobs needing no college education are almost exclusively reserved for men
Josie phact?
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Yup, I just let it slide. Guess we will have to let her define what a working class job is.
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That’s why so many men clean houses or are nannies.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Nannies are college educated, at least the ones I knew. They aren’t baby sitters.
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I said #Idonthavefactstobackthis! But don’t try and argue house cleaners get paid like auto mechanics and plummers. Fine, Blue collar, is that better?
by Josie Becker on Oct 11, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
one gets paid with money and the other with other types of money?
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
plummers probably make a lot more money then the other 3
but do mechanics really get paid that well? House cleaners probably get paid pretty well.
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People who work at Plummers don't
but actual Plumbers can make decent money
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Amanda and Christopher Plummer both make good money.
by kinbote on Oct 11, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
reserved for men
Who is stopping women from being auto mechanics and plumbers?
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There are only so many Marisa Tomei’s to go around
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 11, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Mike Diamond is serious about smell-good plumbers…
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Not that there is aanything wrong with it
but a friend of mine who worked at Mike Diamond for awhile says Mike is a flaming queen
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
If it takes a gay guy to make it so the plumber walks in without smelling like raw sewage, then I’m all in favor.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
At Mike Diamond
our plumbers will be on time, smell good, and will suggest tasteful accessories for your kitchen.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
by mleadman on Oct 11, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What do mean you want to snake my waste line?
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by David Young on Oct 11, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh man.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Queer Plumber for the Straight Clog?
by EMDarrow on Oct 11, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What about jobs that don’t require college but aren’t exactly blue collar: receptionists, office assistants, medical assistants?
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still have to go to Bryman, or University of Phoenix or a CC program. A lot of the second tier schools have great nursing programs
by Josie Becker on Oct 11, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
If you are getting a Bryman certificate for medical assistant, that seems pretty equivalent to going to a trade school for auto mechanics to me. (An RN requires at least an AA, so I would consider RN as needing some college. An LVN does not require a degree of any kind. But I didn’t list any kind of nursing in my examples.)
I imagine that the plumbers that make pretty good money are the ones that do a decent job running their own business, not the ones working for Mike Diamond.
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my neighbor works for George Brazil, just remodeled his house.
by Josie Becker on Oct 11, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
his wife is an administrative assistant at a school
by Josie Becker on Oct 11, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d say the plumbers running their own business make huge money, the licensed ones who work for Mike Diamond make good coin. License is key here. Still a type of education beyond high school.
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To whittle down my blanket statement
those whose GPAs and financial situations only qualify them for state schools, the men are more likely to see plumber, mechanic whatever as an alternative. Sure, that means getting licensed, but that’s a lot less than four years.
by Josie Becker on Oct 11, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Know this Josie:
Many very intelligent people choose to be a tradesman.
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I said nothing about intelligence, I chose my phrasing very carefully
by Josie Becker on Oct 11, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Keep trying, at some point you will make an accurate comment.
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GPA /= intelligence, is what Josie is saying, I believe.
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I said from the get go I had no facts, I was just running with a theory
by Josie Becker on Oct 11, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Is the money elite, solid or decent? ;-)
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I am a contractor's wet dream
I know nothing about home repair, want to know nothing about home repair, and usually will say yes to whatever price I’m quoted as long as the work gets done.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
On another note
I used a car broker for my last car purchase, they even delivered the car to the house. No bickering, no nothing. Even did the financing via fax.
Must have been weird when they asked you for a ride home. :)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
The dudes on Ghost Hunters are plumbers for Roto Rooter
and they seemed to have cash to burn long before that series caught on.
Hmm, I attended from 2007-2008, and I know they had a big initiative after I left to get more men into the school. Looks like it worked.
I don't know
the stats say that it was never really above 60/40 for the last 5-6 years but who knows, maybe during the day, it really skewed.
Doesn’t appear that the demographics have changed much over the last 5 years.
I think the baseball coach was slightly exaggerating.
Did you have classes that an 4-1 ratio?
But it is Sonoma women. You have to park adjust.
by Xeifrank on Oct 11, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sorry if it was already linked and I missed it
but here is MLBTR’s take on Dodger arbitration cases this winter:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/10/arbitration-eligibles-los-angeles-dodgers.html
In a year that has been so improbable, the impossible has happened
Hmmm
16 M for Kemp
8.4 for Clayton
However Andre does not come close to what Eric or Jon think he’ll command, while Loney appears right on.
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I’d believe those numbers if they win their respective awards. Don’t see Ethier only getting a one million dollar raise though.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I suspect home runs are going to be a tad important for an arbitration eligible right fielder.
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Who was the last guy to get an 11% raise in arbitration?
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
That wasn’t just some random Jason Repko type filler.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s been a while I’m sure, you have to be extremely bad to only get a minor raise come arbitration time.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Looking through and Jeremy Hermida managed to get a 50% raise in 2010.
Dave Bush was the last pitcher to only get a 10% raise, the year after he threw 115 innings of 6.35 ERA ball.
Dioner Navarro got a 0% raise after he went from All Star to Dioner Navarro.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
To be accurate here, I think you have to start with someone making 9 Million and see how they have fared not guys making less then eight million.
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No one making that much has gone to arbitration recently.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Then I guess everyone is just guessing.
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Truer words
were never typed
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
To some extent
but the more studious one are finding players who are comparable in age, experience and talent. I think lately for Ethier, the comp most mentioned is Nick Markakis?
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Can’t use Nick
He hasn’t even been to arbitration
4 years/$40M (2010-13)
signed extension with Baltimore 2/20/09
10:$10M, 11:$10M, 12:$10M, 13:$10M
limited no-trade protection: Roberts may block deals to 8 clubs in 2010, 12 clubs in 2011
full no-trade protection in 2012
award bonuses
2 years/$14.3M (2008-09)
signed extension with Baltimore 3/07
08:$6.3M, 09:$8M
limited no-trade clause allowing Roberts to block deals to four clubs each season
award bonuses
1 year/$4.2M (2007)
re-signed by Baltimore 2/07 (avoided arbitration, $4.6M-$3.8M)
award bonuses for MVP, WS MVP, LCS MVP, Gold Glove, All Star selection ($25,000) or Silver Slugger
1 year/$3.075M (2006)
re-signed by Baltimore 2/06 (avoided arbitration, $3.6M-$2.4M)
performance bonus: $25,000 with 600 PAs
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But Nick sure is an example of a right fielder who lost his power.
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Like Ethier?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Who is that?
Markakis signed for 6 year, $66 million
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn
No wonder none of it made sense as I was reading because I thought for sure he had gone to arbitration.
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Though I’m wrong again. That 6/66 avoided arbitration.
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He didn’t go to arb, but he is the type of experience level comp people (including people arguing arb cases) tend to use?
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Right, and the $10.25 million he got in his third and final year of arbitration can be viewed through the prism of (a) the discount of long-term security; and (b) having 153 fewer days service time and one fewer arb year than Ethier has now.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Nothing like a contract that escalates as the right fielder loses power.
09:$3M, 10:$6.75M, 11:$10.25M, 12:$12M, 13:$15M, 14:$15M, 15:$17.5M club option ($2M buyout)
at this rate he’ll hit less home runs per million by 2013.
23
20
18
12
15 – he reversed the trend, he’s on the way back up
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Interesting
So who was the highest earner to go to arb recently?
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2011 – Wandy Rodriguez five million
2010 – Jon Papelbon 6.25 million
Basically the Dodgers are the only team in recent memory to let their good players go to their last year of arbitration.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Even the high-end arbitration estimate puts the Dodgers around $90MM before accounting for minimum salary players, and that’s $30MM below the 2011 Opening Day payroll.
They had our 2011 payroll at opening day at $120? Seems high. Wasn’t the only contract dump after the start of season the Furcal savings mentioned in this article?
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Is that if they get rid of Loney? Since they’re using the Cots payroll chart they’re missing the five million we owe Furcal/Kuroda and the three million we owe Garland and Blake.
So, 98 million minus Loney and Kuo is right, and the 120 million seems like an ass pull.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
They show (most of) their work on the $90M, it’s the “ass pull” that I was questioning, and you clearly agree with me.
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Yeah looks like Cots is charging us all of Rivera’s salary in 2011, which is where the 120 instead of 114 comes from.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
That would be the “eventual” 2011 payroll, not the “Opening Day payroll”. Sloppy.
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I don’t know what to think on Kemp. I haven’t really gotten into the numbers yet, but it seems like there is a wide range of possibilities with him.
I think they are too low on Ethier.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Joe Posnanski listed his thoughts on the 10 worst contracts in baseball. All numbers with number of years/total money left:
10. Mark Teixeira, 5 years, $112.5
9. Jayson Werth, 6 years, $112 million
8. Adam Dunn, 3-years, $44 million
7. Alfonso Soriano, 3-years, $54 million
6. John Lackey, 3-years, $45.75 million
5. Barry Zito, 3-years, $46 million
4. Ryan Howard, 6-years, $125 million
3. Carl Crawford, 6-years, $122 million
2. A-Rod, six years, $143 million
1. Vernon Wells, 3-years, $63 million
I think of the ten, the only one that didn’t seem like it was destined to land on this list was Teixeira (maybe Dunn). The rest were headscratchers from the moment the player signed.
There is no way A-Rod is worse than Alex Rios or some people who are escaping me right now.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
And Rios is terrible while A-Rod is still producing more than any other third baseman the Yankees can have.
At no point will the Yankees actually be hamstrung by A-Rods deal so as long as he produces he’s fine.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
In that context sure
But independently of the contract for the team they are on Arod’s is the worst IMO. Well, 2nd behind Wells.
The sheer amount of money left makes Arod's worse
Rios wasn’t all that talented enough to get as much as he is getting paid, but Arod is making 30 mill to OPS in the mid .800s.
And the Yankees won’t get stopped from signing whoever they want while A-Rod outperforms Jack Hanahan or whatever “efficient” signing they could have made.
The Yankees don’t play by the same rules as everyone else, if we had a 4 WAR third baseman taking up 12% of our payroll no one would call it a bad contract.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe I didn't read it
But wasn’t it just worst contracts, or was it worst contracts for the team that currently have them?
I don't see it as a bad idea in this case
It’s true bad contracts wont hurt the yankees as much as almost all other teams, but just in the realm of bad contracts for production, Arod is definitely up there.
insert a reg comment about the dollars per war championship
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And that’s the thing you can’t just call something a “worst contract” without looking at the team it’s on.
Oakland spending 50% of its budget on Prince Fielder is dumb as all hell and would absolutely destroy the franchise by the time Prince starts his decline. The Yankees using 10% of their budget to give Prince Fielder the exact same contract would be great.
I just can’t call something a bad contract unless it’s actively making a team worse.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Might be a little early
to call his contract one of the ten worst. Definitely looks horrible now, but if he bounces back and has a productive season then it goes from historically bad to just bad.
Werth, Crawford, and Dunn have off seasons in their first year and now own three of the worst contracts in baseball but the guy who signed this 8 years/$184M (2011-18) in the same season gets a pass even though he hit like AJ Ellis and has serious doubts if he can remain a catcher since he never seemed to get healthy?
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Werth and Dunn were (arguably) overpaid for different reasons before they even had subpar seasons (Dunn for no/negative defensive value, Werth for getting paid for a career year, and being a bit old for a contract of that length), and Crawford I honestly can’t evaluate subjectively because I’ve never liked him near as much as anyone else, but suffice to say I didn’t like his contract, and was only too glad the Dodgers never made any real effort to sign him.
Mauer is definitely overpaid, but I’m not sure it ranks with the others.
Even then the step down from Mauer to Butera is so huge that it might not be.
If the Mets are slashing payroll as aggressively as they say they are Johan’s has to be up there. Maybe Ryan Braun’s because they could have just been totally happy with having him till 2015.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Chone Figgins?
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
What happens though in the last 3 years of Arod's contract
When he is OPSing in the mid .700s? It may not happen, but if it does Arod will not be a welcome man in NY I’m guessing.
Then you eat 60% of his salary, trade him to someone that is willing to pay 7 million for a mediocre third basemen, sign your new third basemen, count the rings.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m guessing they will only need one finger.
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Probably not the case you try to make this argument on
but a very convincing argument could be made that ARod failed to meet his end of that contract for the simple fact that the price on those latter years were hinged on the assumption that he’s legitimately chasing the HR record by that point, and the fact that he’s now been outed for roids means that it won’t be anywhere near the event that it could’ve otherwise been.
Its one thing to simply fall short because of loss of productivity/injuries/etc, but this is something entirely different.
Don’t think to many though Arod was a head scratcher. Certainly not here where had a large contingent who wanted him, but yeah for the most part not many said great deal when there were signed.
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1. I supported signing A-Rod back when he opted out in 2007.
2. If we lived in the alternate reality in which A-Rod might have signed with the Dodgers, maybe the Dodgers would have beaten the Phillies in 2008 and 2009 (assuming they still get Manny, etc).
3. That deal would look bad now. The Dodgers would pretty much have to win the WS with the guy or they’d have egg on their faces.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Can’t lose if you don’t play.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
We pay Manny
next year don’t we?
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
He might be now
I predict a few columns next year pointing at his last AB as the moment the franchise went into the shitter.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
If only Howard wouldn’t have exploded Amaro’s dumbass contract would have worked out.
Would anyone trade Howard’s contract for A-Rods right now?
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
125 million for a guy slugging under .500 this year and just over last year
And he was signed for his power and RBI ability. That contract is an albatross.
elbow/shoulder/elbow
I’m going with the they’re cursed meme
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
They're cursed?
Or they’re STILL cursed?
After all, true or false: even with their recent run of success, the Phillies are the single worst franchise in the history of professional sports.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Even if Howard was lost for the entire 2012 season, they’d be favorites to represent the NL in the W.S. Given no other big roster losses.
Really?
They aren’t even representing the league in 2011? I guess if Pujols goes elsewhere that would be true, but if Pujols stays and they get back Wainwright, that would seem to trump losing Howard and bringing back everyone else. Not to mention Shelbyville in 2012.
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Playoffs are a crapshoot. Phillies were NL W.S. favorites headed in to the playoffs this year. They would likely be that same favorite headed in to the 2012 season sans Howard. How many less wins would they have had this year without him? I’m waiting for the next Dave Cameron Fangraphs article to tell me that i amrite.
Forget records, isn’t the team in the just concluded World Series almost always the favorite the following year?
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I’ll let you research that one. But I doubt the Giants were favored over the Phillies at the beginning of this year. #HalladayLeeHamelsOswalt
Good point, then again the Phillies didn’t lose their 1st baseman headed into the season.
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Loved this line
People years from now will look back at Adam Dunn’s 2011 season and wonder: "Did someone really hit .159 in Major League Baseball?"* The man slugged .277. Adam Dunn!
*Dunn — and I don’t know if this was done on purpose, but I suspect it was — did not get the necessary 502 plate appearances to qualify for the batting title. You know how many he got? Right: 496. That way he won’t show up when you look up qualifying players.
Most fans are stupid, example #142,419,581. Tweet from Mike Axisa, a Yankees blogger:
From the RAB Mailbag Inbox: "Would this be a good trade? Cervelli with maybe a minor leaguer for Kershaw? "
Maybe a minor leaguer
Don’t want to give up too much
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Sure
because they think they are clueless assclowns
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Please tell me this was already discussed
general manager Kenny Williams revealed that Ventura wasn’t the only surprise name on his wish list. He also considered, albeit briefly, making Paul Konerko a player-manager
Oh, I would have loved that. We haven’t seen a player-manager since Rose, have we?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I forget
Did Rose actually play a bit while he managed?
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
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by nolander on Oct 11, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The White Rat
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Did Rose actually play a bit while he managed?
Unless you are making a joke I’m missing…
…then the answer is yes. With Cincy, at the end of his playing career, late 1984 and all of 1985. Retired as a player in November ’85, stayed on as manager.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually couldn't remember
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I find myself saying this
more and more often
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Help me here
There are all sorts of players that you hear would make a good manager. Brad Ausmus, perfect example. He’ll be at bat and the broadcasters will wax on about how he’ll be a great manager someday.
I’m not sure I’ve ever heard that about Konerko. Not that that means anything, necessarily.
Baseball history is littered with player-managers — and correct me if I’m wrong, but it was mostly used as a way to give stars more pay/more money/more fame, no?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Also help me here
Speaking of player-managers, how do you pronounce Napoleon Lajoie’s last name? Is it LA-joo-ay? Or something else?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I pronounce it
like you phoneticized it
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I thought I had heard it as luh-HOY, but I could be wrong.
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He was born September 5, 1874, in Woonsocket, Rhode Island. He was the youngest of eight children of French-Canadian parents. The correct pronunciation of his name was “LaJwa” or “lajaway”
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I still have no idea how Jwa is supposed to sound.
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I think like berkowit has it above.
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It would have been so great if he was from Wilkes-Barre.
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Or King of Prussia.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Monongahela!
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
The first person to post the name of a city that is actually in Rhode Island loses.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Providence
I like to lose fast.
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Pawtuckett
My grandma is from there
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Pawtucket
Fuck it
I like to lose fast.
That would have been much better. (I always thought Pawtucket was in Mass.)
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There once was a gram from Pawtucket…..
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Unless I remember incorrectly, John Reed’s grave in the Kremlin spells his first name (transliterated) with the four letters D-ZH-AH-N
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Commie bastard
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Me, or John Reed?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Reed
But now you’ve got me thinking
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Right. So if you think of the English “j” (or semisoft “ge” when G is followed by e or i) as actually being a combination of two sounds – “d-zh” – you’re left with the soft “zh” which we don’t use in English but is how the French pronounce “j” and “ge”.
Since the Russians (and French) do not have the Englisg “j” sound, they have t spell it as combining a “d” with their soft “zh” or soft j/ge sound if they’re tryimng to transliterate an English “j” as in John.
Clear as mud, I’m sure.
That “zh” sound is pretty close to the “s” in pleasure or treasure, or the “z” in azure, though.
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As a kid
I pronounced it Lajoyee
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Me too. I’ve been reading baseball history a bit and I’m finally like, y’know, I have no fucking clue how that guy pronounces his name. THERE ARE FOUR CONSECUTIVE VOWELS FOR PETES SAKE
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
In French, La-ZHWA, Anglicized, Lah-ZHO-ay. At least according to this one song I had on a baseball cassette when I was a kid. The General of France couldn’t lead ’em like Chance, so no wonder his Waterloo came.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
What are the odds Paul Konerko would be worse than Ozzie Guillen?
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
That is World Champion Ozzie Guillen you’re talking about.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Who hit the equivalent of the starting pitching lotto when he rode those guys all the way to the title.
Ozzie in the NL
is a recipe for all kinds of fun
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
He probably got bored in the AL
“Look at Mattingly, look at Tracy. They get to manage the SHIT out of games. I want some of that”
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Don’t forget this:
He is the only man in modern baseball history to be caught by the hidden ball trick three times.
That is no made-up humma bullshit
That is no josie phact
That is reg-tested and reg-approved
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
“Obviously you look at your team and think, ’I’d love to have a Rickey Henderson at the top,’
Somewhere, Ricky is digging up Robin Ventura’s number, “Hey, Rickey can be ready for Spring Training!”
I wish I thought that Rickey could put up an above-average OBP for a MLB bench player. If I did, I’d hire him. But I think age might have caught up with him.
That said, I could be wrong, which is kind of amazing. Also: nobody ever got rich betting against Rickey.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I have little doubt he could at the very least out-OBP Rod Barajas. Thats not saying a lot, but hell, the dudes what, 87 by now?
Not sure Rickey can play catcher. Then again, not sure he can’t.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
If you haven't seen the new PS3 commercial you should check this out
I’m a huge fan of what they did here.
worth noting
is they actually used the voice actors for those characters, to play them physically in that commercial. Nolan North as Drake is of particular note as he has been in practically every game made in the last 6 years, and a lead in many many major games.
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Ezio from AC2, Brotherhood, and soon Revelations
sounded just like himself which I thought was cool.
Every time I see the name Jaff Decker (Padres prospect), I assume it is being spelled wrong, and that his name is really Jeff Dacker.
Delmon Young Scratched - New Tigers Lineup
Jackson CF
Santiago 2B
Cabrera 1B
Martinez DH
Kelly 3B
Peralta SS
Avila C
Raburn LF
Dirks RF
Fister 1
Playoff team with corner OFs hitting 8/9. Injuries I know, but wow.
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Ha
Ordonez with a .468 OPS in Aug
Ordonez with a 1.003 OPS in Sept
Hell is BA in Sept was almost higher then his Aug OPS
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Don Kelly playing 3rd, batting fifth.
Boom Boom not getting any love after giving so much. Seems strange given his 1.083 OPS in Sept and the fact they need some offense.
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Orel Hershiser went so far as to say last night that Betemit had taken some of the worst swings he had seen, and that watching him swing thought there must be something wrong with his vision.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I have watched the first two games of the ALCS with no sound, because I wasn’t home.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s nothing. If you only knew the number of ballgames I’ve watched with no picture or sound, and with my eyes closed, and while I was completely unconscious.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade: The sound on Fox for $6 pitchers.
Win-win for Eric?
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Though I did listen to both local broadcasts and ESPN radio for part of yesterday’s game. I forgot it was a day game since it ended in the evening.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m guessing that was based on the Feliz at bat, in which he seemed to be a tad slow and off on each pitch. Lewis does not throw 100 MPH.
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FWIW Betemit is 0 for 9 in the playoffs with 5 strikeouts, and has struck out in each of his last four PA.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve got ballplayers stuck in the crags of my jowls with more talent than Betemit.
— Leyland
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
A non-benefit of a no Yankee or Red Sox ALCS
Fox is broadcasting tomorrow and Thursday at 4:00 EDT. I cannot remember (but who knows maybe it was recent) when the broadcast network showed the games in the day time.
The last few years have been that way
In 2009, the Angels and Yankees played ALCS Game 3 on Fox at 1:14pm, while the Dodgers and Phillies played Game 4 on TBS later that night. The previous Friday it was reversed (Dodgers/Phillies in the day, Yankees/Angels at night)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Same thing last year
Tuesday, October 19: Phillies/Giants daytime on Fox, Yankees/Rangers night on TBS
Wednesday, October 20: Yankees/Rangers daytime on TBS, Phillies/Giants nighttime on Fox
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Worst Dodger Free Agent contract in the Ned Era
Not in any order
1. Jason Schmidt
2. Andruw Jones
3. Juan Uribe
4. Matt Guerrier
5. Ted Lilly
6. Brett Tomko
7. Manny Ramirez
8. Juan Pierre
9.
10.
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Garland since we knew he was hurt.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
You think Manny’s contract is worse than Pierre’s? I don’t want to go overboard here, but… Manny was a good player who helped a team win 95 games, even if he was being paid too much. Juan Pierre made a lot of outs.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough. Plus, I’m just being a fanboy for Manny. He was a good player and he was a good player for our team, even if he was paid too much and got a steroid bust and was hurt too much in the second year…………. I loved having Manny on the team so I hate seeing him on any “worst of” list.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
We paid 40 Million for 1/2 a year of good baseball. Yippee
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True or False: that is more good baseball than the Dodgers got from everybody else on that list combined.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
False, heck Juan Pierre alone in May would jigger that thought.
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One month of Pierre is worth more than three or four months of Manny?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
No, but you said everyone on the list COMBINED
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For example:
Manny Ramirez WAR in 2009 was 2.5
Juan Pierre in WAR in 2009 was 2.1
You already lost.
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Andruw Jones: -2.3
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
You already lost.
Well, I did go a little overboard. As you know, my “true or false” questions are generally completely unsupportable, but the Theo-to-the-HOF one below got some support. I didn’t know what to do! So I tried this.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I told Madeleine about the new car seat law and her very first remark was “I wonder how Todd is going to drive while in a car seat”. Harsh.
My wife is barely 5 feet, I wonder how she would take a joke if I buy her a car seat?
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I got over being really tiny when I married an amazon.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Someday Spawn will rock you like Dee Gordon
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 11, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
1/2 a year of historcal, sensational and exciting baseball
Not exactly worth it, but holy hell the 2nd half of 2008 was the funnest baseball I’ve ever seen.
JMO, but I think the Blake contract was just fine.
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2009 was great
2010 was alright, this year was a bit painful. Overall it was good, but sad to see the last year and a half.
Casey Blake is one of the best position player free agent signings in Dodger history.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
You’d think but then again, the numbers say he is the best Los Angeles Dodger SS in history. So what do you do?
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Wasn’t the second deal the one where the Dodgers stole him out from under the Braves?
That indicates that the Dodgers’ winning big was just slightly above another team’s, which indicates that they paid the market rate for his services.
Saying Manny was overpaid I get, but other teams seemed to think that Furcal got paid what he was worth.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, all this is hindsight not foresight.
I’d have done most of those deals.
I would not have done 1, 3, 4, 5, 8 based on the information we knew he knew when he made the deals.
Or Garland who is not on the list.
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i wouldnt have done furcal's 2nd deal..
He was coming off of two straight down years:
2007 – 1.8
2008 – 2.2
He actually had slightly more WAR on his last 3yrs though.
True or False
If the Cubs win a WS on Theo’s watch, then the baseball establishment will, someday, put him in the Hall of Fame.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
FOR-EV-ER
FOR-EV-ER
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 11, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Too soon to tell, but that sounds reasonable.
But aren’t there like a scant few GMs in the HOF? I don’t even know the number (I will look it up)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
"Executives" seems to be chock full of owners
Wilkinson, J.L. Kansas City Monarchs Executive 2006
Wright, Harry Philadelphia Quakers (Phillies) Executive 1953
Yawkey, Tom Boston Red Sox Executive 1980
White, Sol Philadelphia Giants Executive 2006
Wright, George Boston Red Stockings Executive 1937
Weiss, George New York Yankees Executive 1971
Veeck, Bill Chicago White Sox Executive 1991
Spalding, Al Chicago White Stockings Executive 1939
Rickey, Branch Executive 1967
Posey, Cum Homestead Grays Executive 2006
Pompez, Alex New York Cubans Executive 2006
O’Malley, Walter Los Angeles Dodgers Executive 2008
MacPhail, Lee Executive 1998
MacPhail, Larry Executive 1978
Manley, Effa Newark Eagles Executive 2006
Landis, Kenesaw Executive 1944
Kuhn, Bowie Executive 2008
Johnson, Byron Executive 1937
Hulbert, William Executive 1995
Harridge, Will Executive 1972
Giles, Warren Executive 1979
Griffith, Clark Washington Senators Executive 1946
Foster, Rube Chicago American Giants Executive 1981
Frick, Ford Executive 1970
Dreyfuss, Barney Pittsburgh Pirates Executive 2008
Chandler, Happy Executive 1982
Chadwick, Henry Executive 1938
Cummings, Candy Hartford Dark Blues Executive 1939
Comiskey, Charles Chicago White Sox Executive 1939
Cartwright, Alexander Knickerbocker Base Ball Club Executive 1938
Bulkeley, Morgan Executive 1937
Barrow, Ed New York Yankees Executive 1953
Gillick, Pat Executive 2011
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but how many of these owners were “owner/operators?”
I mean, Bill Veeck owned his team and acted as GM, didn’t he?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Need to be really really special to be a GM in the HOF (not that winning a World Series with the Cubs wouldn’t qualify).
Or be named Cum Posey.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 11, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Whether or not it is an actual quote
I love the line about former Reds, Dodgers and Yankee executive Larry MacPhail – A sportswriter recalled: With no drinks he was brilliant. With one he was a genius. With two he was insane. And rarely did he stop at one.
Two unique individuals - Both
Connie Mack, who is a special case since he was owner, GM, and manager and John McGraw who I believe was probably the GM as well as manager of the Giants.
Similar, but different, question
Assuming the above is true and it happens far enough down the line that Theo did in fact have a major hand in assembling said WS Champion Cubs, would him being in the HoF be a worthy addition?
I’d lean towards yes, if only just.
Robert Andino single handedly kills the entire Red Sox franchise.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Getting rid of Theo is going to kill the Franchise? The guy who gave Lackey that contract? Crawford that contract? Drew that contract?, Lugo that contract? He’s got some pluses but he’s also been just as lucky as NY boy to be allowed to buy and sell with little regard of repercussions.
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One could argue
if Rivera gets that save in 2004, the whole Red Sox thing would have been blown up. Manny probably gets dealt for dollars to donuts and who knows if they ever win a World Series.
Yup, blame Depo for giving away our left fielder.
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That he did
I recall he said, he did it as a favor to Roberts (and Boston) since of course, HSC was playing first base, Green was moving back to the OF with Finley and Bradley and Werth was going to be the 4th OF.
I think that’s right, but one could also argue that if Grady Little pulls Pedro out in 2003, the Red Sox hold on and get their championship a year earlier.
I don’t know if I really think that, but we can play the what if game.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Cool, I love the what if game.
My favorite one is
If Manny’s shot goes out, we sweep the fucking Phillies.
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that one to that weird corner in CF in philly?
man that sucked
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Oh come on, if you couldn’t complain about Loney what would you do?
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it’s also more like 1 year of data if you take his 3 separate 2 month long hot streaks as “man, if he could figure it out look what he could do” versus the 3 years combined of “I wish he’d figure it out because this James Loney blows”
On a one year deal, can the Dodgers do better than Loney for a similar amount of money? The answer is probably no.
The answer is nobody knows. If Loney hits like he did in the first four months, the answer is HELL YES THEY CAN. If Loney hits like he did in the last two months, the answer is no.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 11, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
yes
i’m an underwriter.
I look at loss/financial data every single day.
I’m confronted by companies/agents wanting a lower price and using the argument that their most recent 5 months of good loss history should outweigh everything before it. I never cave in to this.
How come Fangraphs is unable to split out the player stats when they have played for multiple teams in the same year?
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“Show Partial Seasons”
Why this isn’t the default I don’t know.
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by regfairfield on Oct 11, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
because its confusing sometimes
to stupid people like me, but then when I want the splits I get angry they aren’t there
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Scott Rolen will only make 6.5 Million next year.
Who will have a more productive year, Rolen or Loney? I’m asking this because Rolen would seem to be someone you could roll over to 1st base and he’d probably be a gold glove type there.
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at to your question tho
I’d take Rolen on the Dodgers and keep him at 3b.
And then if Uribe has to play…maybe let him play 2b or he could be insurance for SS if Gordon tanks.
Somehow though i dont think Juan’s salary is going to allow him to be a bench player…
i'm of the
“get a third baseman to slide Uribe to second” crowd.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 11, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
ALCS Game Three Game Thread Up
http://www.truebluela.com/2011/10/11/2484573/alcs-game-three-game-thread
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