An embarrassment of riches - Los Angeles Dodgers 21 Year Old Pitching History
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 14, 2011 8:00 AM PDT
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Best 19 & 20 Year Old Position Seasons, Adrian Beltre
Best 19 & 20 Year old Pitching Seasons, Fernando Valenzuela
Best 21 Year old Position Season, Adrian Beltre
Fernando takes the crown again as a twenty one year old but he had some competition from two Hall of Famers, one future HOF, one future Cy Young award winner, one post season legend, and the second best Mexican National to ever pitch for the Dodgers.
Rk Player WAR G Year Age GS CG SHO GF W L IP H ER BB SO ERA+ OPS
1 Fernando Valenzuela 5.4 37 1982 21 37 18 4 0 19 13 285.0 247 91 83 199 122 .620
2 Don Sutton 4.3 37 1966 21 35 6 2 0 12 12 225.2 192 75 52 209 110 .606
3 Clayton Kershaw 4.2 31 2009 21 30 0 0 1 8 8 171.0 119 53 91 185 143 .588
4 Ismael Valdez 3.8 33 1995 21 27 6 2 1 13 11 197.2 168 67 51 150 125 .620
5 Bob Welch 3.3 23 1978 21 13 4 3 6 7 4 111.1 92 25 26 66 174 .592
6 Pedro Martinez 3.2 65 1993 21 2 0 0 20 10 5 107.0 76 31 57 119 148 .592
7 Don Drysdale 2.9 44 1958 21 29 6 1 7 12 13 211.2 214 98 72 131 99 .744
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Generated 10/10/2011.
TidBits:
- Fernando came in third in the Cy Young voting in 1982, amassing 285 IP on his 21 year old arm. Since 1901 only seven pitchers have thrown more then 285 innings at the age of 21. You won't believe who threw 323 IP. Since the Dodgers moved to Los Angeles, no National League pitcher has thrown more than 285 innings as a 21 year old.The closest was Mike McCormick in 1960 and he only threw 253, so Fernando threw 32 more innings than the next competitor. Using BRef's WAR, Fernando had the 8th greatest season for a 21 year old. Can anyone guess who had the 5th best?
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Rk Player WAR IP Year Age Tm GS CG SHO W L W-L% SO ERA+
1 Bob Feller 9.4 320.1 1940 21 CLE 37 31 4 27 11 .711 261 163
2 Vida Blue 8.8 312.0 1971 21 OAK 39 24 8 24 8 .750 301 185
3 Mark Fidrych 8.5 250.1 1976 21 DET 29 24 4 19 9 .679 97 159
4 Frank Tanana 7.8 257.1 1975 21 CAL 33 16 5 16 9 .640 269 135
5 xxxxxxxxx 7.4 323.2 xxxx 21 xxx 40 23 9 23 12 .657 170 158
6 Ralph Branca 6.6 280.0 1947 21 BRO 36 15 4 21 12 .636 148 154
7 Mike McCormick 5.8 253.0 1960 21 SFG 34 15 4 15 12 .556 154 130
8 Fernando Valenzuela 5.4 285.0 1982 21 LAD 37 18 4 19 13 .594 199 122
9 Al Mamaux 5.4 251.2 1915 21 PIT 30 17 8 21 8 .724 152 134
10 Waite Hoyt 5.2 282.1 1921 21 NYY 32 21 1 19 13 .594 102 136
Generated 10/10/2011. - Don Sutton joined the vaunted Dodger rotation of Koufax / Drysdale / Osteen in 1966 helping vault the Dodgers to their second World Series in a row in 1966. Don would not get to pitch in the 66 World Series as the Dodgers went with Don Drysdale twice instead of using the young Sutton. Don's season was good for enough for 11th best by a 21 year old since 1958. Unlike everyone else above him on the list other then Bert Blyleven, Don would go onto a HOF career. Health is as important as a great curveball.
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Rk Player WAR IP Year Tm GS CG SHO W L W-L% ERA+ BA OBP SLG OPS
1 Vida Blue 8.8 312.0 1971 OAK 39 24 8 24 8 .750 185 .189 .251 .272 .523
2 Mark Fidrych 8.5 250.1 1976 DET 29 24 4 19 9 .679 159 .235 .277 .301 .579
3 Frank Tanana 7.8 257.1 1975 CAL 33 16 5 16 9 .640 135 .226 .286 .328 .615
4 Britt Burns 6.8 238.0 1980 CHW 32 11 1 15 13 .536 143 .241 .293 .348 .641
5 Bret Saberhagen 6.7 235.1 1985 KCR 32 10 1 20 6 .769 145 .241 .271 .357 .628
6 Mike McCormick 5.8 253.0 1960 SFG 34 15 4 15 12 .556 130 .241 .290 .327 .617
7 Fernando Valenzuela 5.4 285.0 1982 LAD 37 18 4 19 13 .594 122 .236 .292 .328 .620
8 Steve Avery 4.5 210.1 1991 ATL 35 3 1 18 8 .692 116 .240 .299 .372 .671
9 Bert Blyleven 4.5 287.1 1972 MIN 38 11 3 17 17 .500 119 .233 .285 .342 .627
10 Dwight Gooden 4.4 250.0 1986 NYM 33 12 2 17 6 .739 126 .215 .278 .321 .599
Generated 10/10/2011. - Clayton Kershaw beat out everyone but Fernando and Sutton coming in 3rd for the work he did in 2009. Just a small harbinger of what was to come in 2011.
- Ismael Valdez joined the rotation on April 26th, 1995 and combined with Hideo Nomo to be the best one two rookie punch the Dodgers have ever had. Nomo would win the ROY, and Valdez would come in 7th. It would seem that Ismael should have placed better then 7th but no doubt Nomo and Chipper Jones were better.
- Bob Welch was known more for his relief work in the 1978 World Series then he was for the 13 starts he made, but Bob was quite good in those 13 starts. Welch was drafted in 1977 and was pitching for the Dodgers less then a year later. No one who witnessed it will ever forget Welch striking out Reggie Jackson to end game two of the 1978 World Series, saving a 4 - 3 lead and giving the Dodgers a two game lead. It would be the last game the Dodgers would win in 1978 but oh what a game it was. Not sure how many fans remember he lost game four but they all remember the strike out to end game two.
- How frustrating for Dodger fans to find Pedro Martinez on this list in the only full time year he pitched for us? While it was mostly in relief it was such great relief he finds himself in front of Don Drysdale. 107 IP, only 76 hits, and 119 K's only got him 9th place for ROY. Of course our own Mike Piazza won that year, so the Dodgers had two future HOF as rookies, and got just about nothing from Pedro and just five full years from Piazza.
- Don Drysdale was only 21 when the Dodgers moved West so he is going to be showing up on these lists for quite a while. This was Don's 3rd season in the major and at that point he was far from the strikeout pitcher he would become. His K rate in 1958 was 5.6 a far cry from the 8.0 he would post as a 22 year old on his way to leading the league in strikeouts.
Most of these twenty one year old greats will continue to do battle over the next few birthdays, but they get joined at age twenty two by two more familiar faces.
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And I’ll take a stab at 323 — Babe Ruth?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Looking at Babe Ruth’s page on BBRef now. He won the MVP in 1923. He didn’t even receive MVP votes in any other year besides 1931 and 1932. WTF? I mean, seriously, WHAT THE FUCK!?!
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Take 1927, for instance. Babe Ruth hits 60 home runs, hits .356 (his OPS+ was 225!) and yet he gets no mentions at all, or fewer than Slim Harriss and his 14-21 record or Phil Todt, who OPSed .617.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_1927.shtml#ALmvp
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
The note says that previous winners were ineligible, and Ruth had won in 1923.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2011 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
IIRC there was an unwritten (or possibly written) rule that nobody could win more than once.
What Mike said.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2011 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Walter Johnson won in 1913 and 1924.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I now know there was a thing called the “Chalmers Award”
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2011 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
The prize was a Super Nintendo.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
by Nolij on Oct 14, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, harumph. It’s still stupid.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Seems like they realized this was stupid pretty quickly. On the bright side, the year Ruth did win it in 1923 (when he probably coul have won every year for a decade) was the best season of his career.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2011 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I learned that fact from the Baseball documentary
I need to watch those again, they are amazing. Seriously, if anyone here is interested in the history of baseball, watch the PBS Baseball videos.
I remember my family getting those for my dad for a gift...
on vhs. That was a whole lotta tapes.
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There was a time when
In 1922 the American League created a new award to honor “the baseball player who is of the greatest all-around service to his club”.18 Winners, voted on by a committee of eight baseball writers chaired by James Crusinberry,19 received a bronze medal and a cash prize.20 Voters were required to select one player from each team and player-coaches and prior award winners were ineligible. These flaws resulted in the award’s being dropped after 1928. The National League award, without these restrictions, lasted from 1924 to 1929.
They had a rule back then
1 MVP and you’re done. I’m not sure if it was an official rule or just something they wanted to do.
Shaikin tweets
MLB hired an expert witness (former pres of NBA TV) to dispute Dodgers claim that they can maximize value of TV rights by selling now.
Expert witness: #Dodgers TV rights “value will be depressed by the current poor condition of the club.”
There’s a faulty link that goes to a different article on the Angels being close to a new deal with FOX. There must be an article in the works though.
NBA TV has been around long enough to have a former pres?
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2011 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
It was the guy in charge of (not) getting NBA TV on Charter, apparently. (Not really)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2011 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s definitely the worst of the 3 league owned networks. There wrap-up/highlight shows are a joke. No structure, just people shouting into the microphone about how cool a dunk was. No analysis at all.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2011 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
You have the worst possible picture of Al by the way.
Was an autopsy photo unavailable?
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe anyone who remains in
Al’s and Frank’s camps wins the loyalty and contrarian award in my book.
My wife
hit for $100 on one of those $3 bingo scratchers the other day.
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1995
I really liked that pitching staff. In addition to Nomo & Valdez, it had R. Martinez, Astacio, & Candiotti. Kevin Tapani came over mideason (for a package including Ron Coomer!) and pitched like crap in the bullpen of an elimination playoff game (we got swept by Cincy). I also see Chan Ho Park started one game and Willie Banks started six. I must confess, my memory of Willie Banks is cloudy at best. I trust you have enjoyed this note.
Willie Banks always looked angry.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Drafted by the Minnesota Twins in the 1st round (3rd pick) of the 1987 amateur draft. Now I know two things about Willie Banks.
1995 was a great team to root for besides the pitchers you mentioned we had Piazza, Karro’s best year, Offerman’s best year, and Mondesi with a decent group of players around them.
Checking out the box scores I found this strange.
First two games were at Dodger Stadium yet the Attendance figures were only 44,000 and 46,000 for our games. Well below sold out level. Why I suspect if that was the Braves attendance during a playoff game, some members would talk about how poorly the fans support the team and that they should take away the franchise.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I ditched an afternoon class on Wednesday in order to make it to LA in time for the 5:05pm Game 2.
Thinking back, I wonder if the strike had anything to do with depressed attendance. That was the first year back and people were still pissed in general at MLB.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
That said, it looks like Jacobs Field and Yankee Stadium were both full for their first two LDS games.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I remembered barely losing that series, I thought we lost each game by one run but in retro, the Reds kicked out collective asses other then game two.
Game two must have been exciting in the 9th?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
The Reds jumped on Ramon for 4 runs in the first inning in Game 1, and cruised to a 7-2 win.
That Game 2 was close. Reds took a 3-2 lead in the 8th, then scored two off Kevin freaking Tapani and Pedro Astacio (in relief!). Eric Karros hit a two-run shot to pull within one in the ninth, but that was it.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
we did not have a ride to the game in 95. and in 96 my 73 ford F100 would overheat if sitting in traffic and not moving so i could not get to those games either.
1997
Looks like the key event in 1997 was not signing Chase Utley, whom we drafted. In-season moves were:
August 9, 1997: Acquired Hal Garrett from the Pittsburgh Pirates for Eddie Williams
August 12, 1997: Acquired Otis Nixon from the Toronto Blue Jays for Bobby Cripps
August 18, 1997: Acquired Eric Young from the Colorado Rockies for Pedro Astacio
August 27, 1997: Acquired Darren Lewis from the Chicago White Sox for Chad Fonville
We were pretty good but fell short.
I appreciate you leaving off the August 20 signing, which never happened.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
aww, I just wanted someone to the Leo Inception picture
by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Newsflash
Yankees are getting old:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/new-york-yankees-sustainable-success/
How many times has this article been written?
They’re adding Montero, one of their pitchers will probably be good and they can spend their way out of any problems that might come up in the future. They’re going to continue being the Yankees.
Also Mariano will never die.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I write a lengthy comment about it every year.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Plus they can always vulture down on a team with a player too expensive to keep. I halfway expect Joe Mauer to be a Yankee some day.
The Twins would probably give him away to them right now
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
After the trade
“Joe, what you wanna say is that you’re in the best shape of your life and you couldn’t be happier to be a Yankee.”
“But Russ, I still feel like shit, and frankly, I’m disappointed — I grew up a Twins fan and wanted to be a Twin all my life.”
“Joe, lemme tell ya, if you’re gonna make it in this game, you have to learn to say things that you don’t mean even a little bit. C’mon, say it: ’I’m doing yoga, I’ve got a new routine, it’s great.’”
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
football players get to do MMA and Boxing in the offseason
baseball players get stuck with yoga? Sucks.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Hot chicks in yoga class.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
And they are limber.
And they think you are all sensitive and shit, because you’re in a yoga class.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
If professional baseball players need to go to Yoga to pick up chicks
I think they are doing it wrong.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I yield. He is correct.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
It's just to fill in the nooks and crannies
of their otherwise down time. It’s not like they won’t still do the bar/grandstand scene
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I can't seem to come up with a work safe way to reply to this comment
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David Ortiz seems to misunderstand the difference between a team losing in the first round of the play offs which happens to two teams every year and the greatest September collapse in the history of the game.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Four teams?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Being a DH only he might not be very aware of the National League.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 14, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
If he really wants to walk away from the Red Sox then the team he should play for are the Rays. Then he can go from a fanbase that cares to much for his taste to one that doesn’t care at all and see how much fun it is to win baseball in front of a apathetic fanbase.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 14, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
On MLB Network
They were discussing Greinke’s home/road splits and they believed that since MIL has tied up the series (ensuring that it would come back to MIL) that Greinke should be pushed a start and start Game 6 in Milwaukee instead of Game 5 in StL. I disagree, I’d throw him now. What does the commentariat think?
What is the other option?
They almost have to start Greinke tonight, because the other options would be Shaun Marcum on short rest (no thanks), or Marco Estrada or Chris Narveson in what would have to be a bullpen game.
Fuck that noise. Greinke goes tonight.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
If you pushed back Greinke, you’d have to throw Marcum on short rest. That way you are set up to have Grienke/Gallardo for games 6 and 7.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
or take your shots with all 3 of them on regular rest
I like that better
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Pitchers throwing on short rest is a mixed bag, to say the least. I can support it in elimination games, but the Brewers kinda have a game to give here. Throw Greinke on regular rest.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Wait, did I misread this? Is tonight Greinke’s regular rest?
If so, fuck the home start.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Ya, he’s good. Last pitched on Sunday.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2011 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
He goes tonight. The Great and Powerful Humma has spoken.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
unless you're sabathia its a bad idea
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 14, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
good call
that’s as hard as i can remember a team riding a pitcher in the postseason (and lead-up to it).
Since the advent of the five man rotation it was something to watch.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 14, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Kind of amazing Milwaukee is back here after going all-in on him. What are their plans for 1b post-Fielder?
their all-in trade for marcum is looking kinda shitty in hindsight
Playoff wise, anyways. Havent looked at his regular season stats..
I couldnt even tell you who they traded to get cc in the first place. Did they give them La Porta?
Do the Brewers still have Gamel?
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 14, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Regular Season
3.54/ 3.73/ 3.89. Solid, not elite.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes on Gamel
Traded La Porta and Brantley so they are not missing them
Marcum was a big reason why they won the Central. They might have done it without him, by having Lawrie at 3rd base since that was a huge hole for them, but that would have meant Estrada in the rotation. I’d rather have Estrada in the rotation and Lawrie but they rolled the dice and they are in the playoffs not far from the World Series.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 14, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
A bit small of a sample size
But from a peripherals standpoint, Estrada was about the same (actually a little bit better) as Marcum. 4.08/ 3.67 / 3.58.
I don’t blame MIL though, with Prince leaving the need to go “all in” was certainly there and Estrada only had like 20 major league innings pitched before this year so it’s not like they knew he would be a competent SP.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
They miss the good Hardy
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 14, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
More competitive baseball.
Would be easier if they had not traded Lawrie for Marcum.
They may not sign Prince but they will sign a slugging 1st baseman, they have 15 Million to work with.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 14, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess it looked better
when we still thought Mcgehee didn’t suck
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Two good years, one terrible year. They have a 3rd base replacement in Green so McGehee is now expendable.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 14, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought it was kind of shitty of them
like oh hey this is a rental who cares if we crash it into a wall, but apparently it didnt hurt the big guy any so I guess it worked to an extent..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 14, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I would agree
if I didn’t think CC loved every minute of it
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I also think it worked out for CC. He was gonna get paid anyway, but the way he pitched down the stretch burnished his legend.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
They might do it
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Former Dodger Pitcherpalooza
Scott Radinsky is replacing Tim Belcher as pitching coach in Cleveland.
I hope Radinsky’s promotion from bullpen coach gives him more music privileges in the clubhouse.
His first action will be
to have Chan Ho Park kick down the door to the office
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I'm embarrassed to say I didn't know Belcher was Indians' pitching coach. Oh well, so much for that.
Always liked him (as a pitcher), too.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Have you heard his music? Nobody in the org wants to give him music privileges.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
So is the group okay with using Bref WAR for pitchers in determining the best season?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I'm more comfortable with Fangraphs
because, correct me if I’m wrong, bref goes off ERA for that don’t they?
Sort of. The basic formula is ([Runs Allowed]+[Runs saved by defense])*[Leverage], then you park adjust that
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
So while it uses run (not earned run) average as a base, it tried to adjust out a lot of the flaws of ERA.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Ya, it’s one of those “nothing’s perfect” type things anyway, and since it’s Phil putting in the time to put these articles together, he calls the shots as to what metric he wants to use.
Unless he used Wins :)
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t, but I struggle with it. Somebody with a better defense would have an advantage in an ERA based metric. It’s not as bad as using Wins and Losses, but it’s in the same ballpark since you are rewarding pitchers for contributions based on the talents of others.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Use multiple things. There are flaws in every stat.
I enjoy Fangraphs WAR, but it can go fuck itself if it thinks Tim Leary was a better pitcher in 1988 than Orel Hershiser.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Bad News If You Are A Stupid Person
Rihanna went to a strip club earlier this week, but got in trouble for touching the dancers. The singer allegedly “couldn’t keep her hands off” the ladies writhing and even put her head between one woman’s legs. The bouncers were not pleased, and gave her a talking-to. And! Because the girl just don’t give a fuck, Ri was in the club with her ex-boyfriend, Matt Kemp. Hey na na.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
tabloids are written for people who spell education with a k
by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
keducation? is that, like, where you get learnin’ about sneakers?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s actually where you learn about moving a ship by hauling in a hawser attached to a small anchor dropped at some distance
by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
20 yr HS reuinion tonight
I will update the clan on the goings on tonight sometime.
I’m sure you guys will be waiting on pins and needles.
delias man and Michael White will be anyway.
BTW @Michael White…send your address to Josh so he can forward it to me. I’m getting you a shirt this weekend.
Or you can text it to me, just get my number from Josh
I believe I’m wearing American Rag myself, a Macy’s label
by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Starbucks ain’t callin, Macy’s ain’t callin, it’s a hard knock life
by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I would have pegged you as a William Rast man : )
by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
That seems like a lot of pairs of jeans to have.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I fail at subtle trolling
lets try again HOW ABOUT THESE
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i have like 4 pairs of air maxs
those might be the coolest looking shoes Nike has nowadays
by NotJoeTorre on Oct 14, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
if this isn't a link to g scotts bowling thing I'll be sad
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by Josie Becker on Oct 14, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
gotta be
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
That made me LOL.
That’s like an Onion satire.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
The Taiwan All-Star Series roster is released. All-Stars all.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
not enough detail to form
a rational and intellegent opinion, so I wont.
WTF DREW POMARANZ WHAT A TOOL
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He is a potentially great pitcher but seems to act like a penis.
by silverwidow on Oct 14, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Apparently also arrested in 2008 for refusing to take a blood-alcohol test, giving false info to a cop and using a fake ID.
by silverwidow on Oct 14, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
so an underage kid getting drunk underage
thats the lowest of the low.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I don’t care about the drunk part; it’s the fake ID stuff that gets me pissed. I hate liars. :)
#callback
by silverwidow on Oct 14, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
My DVR failed me :( But it'll be up on demand shortly, thankfully. Can't wait!
That and Parks and Rec.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Quick and dirty Texas playoff pitching
Starters: 5.24 ERA, 1.554 WHIP, 5.15 IP/start
Bullpen: 2.45 ERA, 1.036 WHIP
Also
Starters: 11 homers in 46.1 IP
Bullpen: 5 homers in 36.2 IP
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I only looked that up because I heard somewhere (can’t remember if it was radio, TV, or a podcast) that the Rangers only had one quality start in nine games so far, but part of that was that Ron Washington has been more aggressive in going to his stellar bullpen before the starter faces the lineup for a third time.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Have bullpen, will travel
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 14, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Is baseball reference WAR referred to as bWAR?
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I believe it is rWAR, but I’m not sure why (maybe bWAR is reserved for Baseball Prospectus’s WARP?)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Quality starts in the postseason...worst since 2006
2011: 19 quality starts in 56 opportunities (28 games)
2010: 29 QS in 54 opps prior to WS, 6 of 10 in WS
2009: 24 of 48 / 5 of 12
2008: 23 of 54 / 6 of 10
2007: 18 of 42 / 2 of 8 (shitty year, 5 of 7 series were sweeps, only 4 games over minimum total)
2006: 19 of 56 / 6 of 10
check that for 2006, 19 out of 50 (not 56)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
John Henry gave an interview today on WEEI
I’m guessing many of the Boston media types will write on it soon. Peter Abraham tweeted this:
Bullet points on the Henry interview: He didn’t want Crawford, Theo is gone, Larry is staying and he’s committed to fixing the issues
I wonder what was said specifically about Crawford. This should be updated soon.
Gotta be a nice situation when an owner says he didn’t support the signing of a guy who has 6 years left on a megadeal. Then again, if you’re Crawford, you pretty much have to wear any criticism since you sucked so bad.
Saying something like that is so foolish.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Matt Kemp for Pedroria and Youk would solve their problems.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 14, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean Ethier for Pedroia and Youk.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
They probably don’t want that drunken, chicken loving, videogame playing Lester, right? Swapping him for Ethier makes sense to me.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I want Lester and Beckett for Ethier. They both have to go, right?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
But Pedroia is the official “It’s not him, it’s everybody else guy.” Maybe Lowrie too.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
The coverage of Pedroia answers the age-old question: what would baseball articles look like if David Eckstein was actually a good player?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Henry to Crawford “Welcome to Boston, Loozah”
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by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
wow
“[Crawford was ] definitely a baseball signing. In fact, anyone involved in the process, anybody involved in upper management with the Red Sox will tell you that I personally opposed that. They all know that,” Henry said.
“I’ll just tell you that at the time I opposed the deal, but I don’t meddle to the point of making decisions for our baseball people. Theo will tell you, this was driven by our baseball people. It wasn’t a PR move.”
There is a way to say that where it doesn’t sound horrible, but that wasn’t it.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
“I was understandably concerned about the number of dollars that it would take, but in the end, our management team made the baseball decision that he would ultimately make our team better.”
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
“What’s more, I know Carl had a disappointing season, but I am confident that he will bounce back next year. He is a great player who had a down year. It happens. He is a dedicated and hard-working player, so I have no reason to be concerned about his production.”
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
“He will go down as one of the… I can’t do this anymore. I TOLD YOU SO, BITCHES!”
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
by Nolij on Oct 14, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Except I didn’t really tell you so until he sucked and we needed a scapegoat.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Now, where is the team bus, so I can throw more people under it?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone left? the tires are smeared red already.
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The guy who was trying to play with the same injury that Juan Uribe passed out upon hearing what he had
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Not knowing jack about the person, by the numbers Youk is one of my favorite players.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Strikes me as a huge prick. Seems like it anyway.
He is really good at baseball though.
I could grow to love him.
That is one of the toadiest comment I’ve ever heard. The Red Sox community should frag him
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
He should sell the team and buy a currently undervalued franchise based on recent legal struggles and a public divorce.
by Michael White on Oct 14, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
That is what we call a rec’d comment.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Red Sox fans seem to love it according to Twitter. It’s everyone else that thinks he’s horrible.
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by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Not shocking
Sox fans probably hate Crawford at this point, so I really see them getting behind the sentiment of not signing him.
Sox fans hated Crawford by tax day.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
so what will he say
win crawford wins the mvp next year
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Yadda Yadda Yadda
but Sandy Koufax continues to amaze me.
1962 K/Rate of 10.55
Leads the league.
2nd best was 8.13
FIP was 2.15
2nd best was 2.80
Suck on that Pedro
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I’d be an ass if I said Pedro’s 2000 was a hell of a lot better, right?
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by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure, that was of course only 1962 the start of his run back when offense was still in vogue.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 14, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Well while we’re at it.
FIP was 2.17
Second best 3.50.
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by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
1999
FIP 1.39
Second best 3.25
Third best 3.85
Four people had a sub 4 FIP that year.
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by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
NPB Tracker
weighed in on Tsuyoshi Wada:
Wada projects to be a solid 4th or 5th starter or (worst case) middle reliever in MLB, should he decide to make the jump.
Pretty thorough post. Worth a read.
wada video from the article
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhzxuFPiNio
some of the breaking stuff looks good, but I would imagine these high fastballs would be destroyed in mlb.. give him 3 mil and see what he does. =)
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 14, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Boston should give him 10 Million to see what he does.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 14, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
make it 35
and you got yourself a goddamn deal
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 14, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
3/36 Done
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 14, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
in all seriousness
if youre the dodgers whats your limit on paying this dude.. Im not convinced he can cut it as a starter..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 14, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
We have a ton of success in Japan so if we want him it’s worth noting, but from what I’ve read maybe three or four million four a year.
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by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Right. There is a pretty huge gap between 4th/5th starter and middle reliever. That gap doesn’t matter so much if you develop the player yourself and he is cheap for several years — you work around what he turns out to be. If you have to pay top dollar to get such a player from NPB…..
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Then you have failed at your job.
It appears there are only East Coast or West Coast Japanese players. The real lousy ones end up playing for the Twins. Has any Japanese pitcher ever started playing major league baseball with a team not from the Dodgers/Giants or AL East Division?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Did Keichi Yabu get a start?
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by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Let me amend that.
That anyone gave a shit about.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Mac Suzuki was around for a while.
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by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Kaz Sasaki and Aki Otsuka were good.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Brewers lineup
Hart CF
Hairston 3B
Braun LF
Fielder 1B
Weeks 2B
Betancourt SS
Gomez CF
Lucroy C
Greinke P
Losing Lineup
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 14, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I was going to disagree, but I picked St. Louis in Xei’s contest.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Garcia owns at home
Brewers suck on the road
I’m not even sure who I’m rooting for anymore, I kind of like watching this Cardinal team.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
More of a reason to like them
Hell I didn’t mind the Cardinals for like 15 seconds after seeing this.
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by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
good to see tlr getting musial in the lineup today
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 14, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Bah. He’s not even the best outfielder born in Donora, Pennsylvania, on November 21.
Oh, wait, yes he is.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Wills/Piazza/Koufax would be nice though
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
hard to find life long Dodgers like Musial.
Koufax
Can’t think of anyone else still alive that was a Dodger Legend.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Not like Matt Holliday is a lifelong Cardinal.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Talking about Musial
We need a center piece.
has to be Koufax
Kemp on one side meets the Pujols criteria
Kershaw on the other side works for me.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
But part of the magic of this photo is the numbers on their backs. 5 – 6 – 7.
I’d love to see the three of them, but you couldn’t stage it the same way.
The Dodger photo has gotta be Koufax, Valuenzuela, Koufax.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Kershaw. Koufax-Valenzuela-Kershaw.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh
I’ve never given a shit about numbers, so I missed that.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
You mean the Fernando that pitched for everyone in California except the Giants?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Alert Chad Billingsley
Defiance, Ohio, is served by area code 567.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
These kids today with their untucked jerseys.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Stan is wearing a coat and tie under that.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
and a pacemaker
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I kind of like watching this Cardinal team
Quick, somebody! We’re losing Phil! The only cure is the gif of Holliday catching the ball with his testicles!
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Cardinals Lineup
Furcal SS
Jay CF
Pujols 1B
Berkman RF
Holliday LF
Freese 3B
Molina C
Punto 2B
Garcia P
I predict Punto will have a great game and Colletti will give him to a two-year deal on the first day free agents can sign.
He’s up there on my list of “least bad options”.
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by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
As you know, I have already Punto’d on 2012.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Loney
We all saw the improvements Loney made from late August on this season. How many people here believe that Loney could OPS lets say .850 in 2012?
That line might be something around .310/.375/.475, or if anyone could dare dream .290/.350/.500.
Pretty much knowing it’s crazy to think he could be within .015 OPS points of that, does anyone believe he could actually do it in 2012?
Endeavor
Great word. and I’m using it as a verb in a contract
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Endeavoring that is just asking to get concussed.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
The craving of a Jew for pork, in particular when it has been deep-fried, is a force greater than night or distance or a cold blast off the Gulf of Alaska.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
deep fried pork is something I’m unfamiliar with
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
You’ve never had a wonton?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Or chicken-fried bacon?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Or pork rinds
Which also means you’ve never been to Arkansas
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Yes, did not know they were filled with Pork. I thought it was chicken, right Dave?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Depends on the observance level of the Jews in the community.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Not observant: pork
Mildly observant: pork
Somewhat observant: pork
Heavily observant: chicken
Totally Black Hat: pork
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
How many have seen the Welch strike out of Reggie Jackson
in it’s entirety?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Watched it live (on TV)
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Also
it is entirely possible we need have a remote control at that time so to change the channel would have been annoying
I don’t think I have seen the entirety, but only highlights.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
not me, i’d love too though.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Classy
We tried to keep Theo but here’s a parting gift
Henry also said that he personally opposed signing outfielder Carl Crawford to a seven-year, $140 million contract but leaves those decisions to the baseball people.
Kershaw’s 22 year old season stacks up pretty good. One clear winner but lots of jockeying around for 2nd place.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
It was for me
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
When I was 23
It was a very good year
It was a very good year for flappers who kept ignoring me
Except on occasion when we
Listened to “Fibber McGee”
When I was 23
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 14, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Bills has his work cut out to take age 27 :)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 14, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm bored so...
If Strasburg is as good as advertised, he might flirt with 400 Ks one day.
by silverwidow on Dec 12, 2009 11:03 PM PST up actions
/embarrassed
Dec 12 is always a good day though
so you have that going for your post!
I could see him getting 300 if he can hold up to 250+ innings, if that’s any consolation.
The 250 inning list this decade is bizarre. It’s mostly Halladay, The Unit and Schilling like you’d expect.
Then there’s Jon Leiber and Livan Hernandez on there.
Unless you absolutely try to kill the guy like Leyland is doing to Verlander no way Strasberg is making it to 250 innings.
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by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think he will get to 250 innings, to be honest
I just think if he gets there, he could very well get 300 ks.
Hasn’t Verlander gotten 250+ twice now?
Only came up once.
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by regfairfield on Oct 14, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
in one 45 inning game?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
126 inning game
I blame Microsoft
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
keep your head up
The Unit had 370 once, and that was in 2002!
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I mean he was advertised as the greatest
pitching prospect of all time, so if he lives up to that…
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
MLBN
heaping praise on the Cards getting Furcal at the deadline
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2011 4:13 PM PDT reply actions
It turned out to be a good deal for both sides. Castellanos is putting up some big numbers in the AFL. There has also been talk about moving him back to 2B which would be good because we have too many outfielders. Speaking of 2B, what do you guys think about Daniel Murphy of the Mets? He is very underrated and shouldn’t cost a whole lot to get.
by dodgers4life on Oct 14, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I think they’ll want to keep him
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 14, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Game thread
http://www.truebluela.com/2011/10/14/2491086/nlcs-game-five-brewers-at-cardinals
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