2011 Ogden Raptors Minor League Season in Review
Next up in my minor league season in review series is the Ogden Raptors. I almost took a trip to see the Raptors play in person this season at the beautiful Lindquist Field, but it just didn't work out in my schedule so I'm planning the trip for 2012. The Raptors tend to field exciting teams because the Pioneer League is a hitter friendly league that features several college batters facing less experienced pitchers. This was true in 2011 as Ogden rode their offense all the way to the championship series. Even though Ogden lost in the finals for the second year in a row, it was another exciting year for the Raptors.
Record: 41 - 35 (22 - 16 First Half, 19 - 19 Second Half)
Season Result: The Raptors lost in the Pioneer League finals for the second year in a row; this time to the Great Falls Voyagers.
Season Recap: The Raptors were hot for the first month of the 2011 season, then hit a mid season slump as the 1st half came to a close. They were able to back into the 1st half division crown with some sort of a tie breaker, however, which secured them a playoff spot. In the second half Ogden played .500 ball, then in the post-season the Raptors beat the Orem Owlz in the first round of the Pioneer League playoffs to reach the finals for the second year in a row. Unfortunately the good guys lost in the championship series again, but still had a season had an overall solid season.
In terms of team stats, the Raptors led the league in several offensive categories including runs, doubles, and stolen bases. Ogden also ranked 2nd in homers, slugging %, and OPS. A team ERA of 5.13 ranked in the middle of the pack, as did the team's strikeout numbers.
Offensive MVP: Even though O'Koyea Dickson led the team in a couple of offensive categories, I'm giving this award to Joc Pederson. Pederson showed an outstanding combination of speed and power while demonstrating amazing patience at the plate for a 19 year old. Joc led the league with 64 RBI's, while his .997 OPS and 24 SB's ranked 3rd in the circuit. He also crushed 11 HR's and posted a great walk to strikeout ratio while playing almost every day. He impressed me quite a bit, and he is definitely someone who has moved up the prospect rankings.
Best Offensive Prospect: I know that offensive MVP Joc Pederson had a better season, but I believe the best prospect on this team is James Baldwin (by a slim margin). There have a been a few articles recently about Joc being the better overall player and prospect, with the main reasoning being his success at such a young age and the fact that he posted strong walk and strikeout rates, but in my opinion Baldwin simply has more upside than Pederson and will one day be the better big league player. I see Baldwin as an athletic specimen that reminds me a lot of Matt Kemp, with the one difference being that Baldwin has more strikeouts than Kemp at this stage in his career, but that something that can be fixed as the youngster gains experience. Baldwin ranked 2nd on the team with 10 HR's and 22 SB's despite missing 20 games of the season due to personal reasons, and played a solid center field. He is an exciting player that could have a breakout season in 2012 with the Great Lakes Loons.
Pitching MVP: Even though he only started 1 game for the Raptors, I'm giving this award to Yimi Garcia because he was the workhorse and best overall pitcher for the Raptors. Yimi was used in various roles throughout the year, starting the season as a long reliever and then moving more into the late inning/closer role. He ate up 52.1 innings while posting a 3.10 ERA , but his most impressive stat was his 12.2 K/9. He also won 4 games for his club and picked up team high 4 saves while playing most of the season as a 20 year old.
Best Pitching Prospect: The Raptors weren't known for their strong pitching, and since I have limited options I'm going to give this award to Brandon Martinez. B Mart, who is admittedly one of my favorite prospects, collected a team high 6 wins, and even though his strikeout numbers were somewhat low he still had a solid ERA as he continues to grow into his frame. He already throws in the low 90's with developing secondary stuff, and I still expect him to add a few more mph as he matures. The 2009 7th round pick won't turn 21 until November, and should get the chance to play in a full season league in 2012 which will give hit the change to really put his name on Dodgers' radar.
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Other Notable Players and Prospects: Before I get into the position by position breakdown, I wanted to highlight a few more players on the team who either had a great season and/or have the potential to turn into a legitimate Dodger prospect. This way, the more notable players don't get lost in all the detail below.
Gustavo Gomez - RHP - The 20 year old struggled during his stint with the Loons, then he was sent down to the Pioneer League to be the Raptors opening day starter. Gomez was on fire in June as he allowed just 1 earned run in 17 innings, but then stumbled down the stretch and had an ERA over 6 for the rest of the season. Overall Gustavo ended with a 4.87 ERA, and his outstanding K/9 rate of 11.9 was balanced out by the fact that he gave up 9 homers in just 61 innings.
Derek Cone - RHP - Cone played at 3 different levels in 2011, but the majority of his season was spent with the Raptors where he was a mediocre starter. The 21 year old struck out about 10.6 batters per inning his his 10 starts, but ended with a 5.03 ERA and a 4.34 FIP. The lanky righty should still be considered a decent prospect, however, and is someone who has the chance to take a big step forward in 2012 now that he has a year of experience under his belt.
Raydel Sanchez - RHP - The Dodgers signed Sanchez, who defected from Cuba, for $125K before the season, and he was the workhorse for the Raptors as he led the club with 75.1 IP. He had a couple of outstanding outings, including a 11 K performance in just his 2nd start as a professional, but his overall season stats weren't all that impressive. One area in which he did stand out, however, was his strikeout to walk ratio which was better than 4.5 to 1. The 6'0" right hander doesn't have a big frame, and it will be interesting to see how the 21 year old performs in a full season league next season.
Matt Shelton - RHP - The 2011 24th round pick put together a solid campaign and was one of the Raptors best relief pitcher. The 6'4" 22 year old finished with a 2.05 ERA and struck out more than a batter per inning in his 26.1 frames. He also won 4 games allowed just 1 HR all season.
O'Koyea Dickson - 1B - Every year it seems that the Raptors have a college draftee dominate the Pioneer League in his professional debut (Kyle Russell/Tony Delmonico in 2008, BCG in 2009, Jake Lemmerman in 2010), and in 2011 that player was O'Koyea Dickson. From an offensive standpoint Dickson was outstanding in every way, from his 13 HR's in just 189 at bats to his 1.005 OPS. Some may write off his great season due to his age (21) and the fact that he doesn't have much defensive value as a 1st baseman, but I'm waiting to see what he does next year before forming an opinion on the slugger.
Scott Schebler - OF - Schebler quietly had a very good season for Ogden, tying for the team lead with 13 homers while posting a .853 OPS. He was outstanding with runners on base, and ended the season on a hot streak. The one surprise about his season was the fact that he only stole one base, especially because Baseball America described him as having plus speed in their pre-draft report.
Noel Cuevas - OF - Even though Cuevas only had 3 professional games under his belt, the Dodgers sent Noel to the California League in May where he was completely over-matched. After a month long experiment Cuevas was sent back down to the Pioneer League where he fared much better. He played the year as a 19 year old and hit .285 with 8 homers and 13 SB's. He didn't walk a whole lot, but that is expected of a free-swinger who is still considered very raw.
Scott Wingo - 2B - If there is one thing Wingo proved in 2011 it's that he knows how to take a walk. After winning back to back national championships in college at South Carolina, Scott had a solid professional debut. He hit just .275 with the Raptors but managed to post an OPS of .922 thanks to his ridiculously high walk rate which resulted in a OB% of .464. From a pure tools standpoint I'm not sure that Wingo is much of a prospect, but he is a winner and a gamer and I wouldn't bet against the 22 year old as he makes his way through the Dodgers minor league system.
Position by Position Breakdown (player's age in parenthesis):
Catcher: The Raptors split their catching duties between 3 bodies, with Andrew Edge (23) getting the majority of the starts. Edge got off to a quick start with 6 homers in his first 16 games and an OPS over 1.000 through the month of July. The 2010 24th round pick then slumped badly and ended the year with 8 bombs and a .253 average. Jan Vazquez (20) also spent a lot of time behind the plate for Ogden but the 3rd year switch hitting backstop had yet another disappointing season. His .674 OPS was a career high and he hit his 1st homer as a professional, but those stats are nothing to brag about. The final catcher in the Raptor rotation was 2011 3rd rounder Pratt Maynard (21), who joined the team a little late because he didn't sign with the Dodgers until mid July. I thought that Maynard would dominate the Pioneer League given his age and the hitter friendly environment, but instead he muddled his way to a .239 average and a .687 OPS in 25 games. I expect much better things out of Pratt in 2012 when he'll probably be the Loons starting catcher.
1st Base: The mighty O'Koyea Dickson (21) was the Raptors primary 1st baseman, and his offensive skills were discussed at length above. What I didn't really mention was his defense, which based on some first hand accounts could be described as plus. He had a .988 fielding percentage, but apparently it's his range that sets him apart. Matt Kirkland (20) was Ogden's other 1st baseman and put together a relatively solid campaign in his 2nd professional season. He only hit 4 homers, but managed to bat .292 and had a torrid month of July during which his OPS was .958. Kirkland did lose some value as a prospect when compared to last year, however, because he moved across the diamond from 3rd base where his bat would have been much more intriguing.
2nd Base: Second base was split pretty evenly among three Raptor players, and Scott Wingo (22) led the way with 29 games at the position. Wingo showed some defensive ability with a .982 fielding percentage, and as mentioned above he has a knack for getting on base. Enlly Morales (22) was another 2nd baseman for the Raptors but he had a season to forget with a .260 average and a .637 OPS. He's been a disappointment since coming over from the DSL and is probably not much of a prospect anymore. Alexis Aguilar (20) played all over the infield, but spent most of his time with the Raptors at 2nd base. He had a very solid season at the plate with a .307 average and 14 stolen bases, but his defense was atrocious and he walked in just 2.6% of his plate appearances.
Shortstop: Charlie Mirabal (24) was Ogden's main shortstop for the first half of the season, but lost some playing time when Justin Boudreaux (22) was promoted to the Raptors at the beginning of August. Mirabal was one of the oldest players on the team, and while he posted a .315 average his overall stats weren't all that impressive. Boudreaux, on the other hand, hit just .265 but his .842 OPS was well above that of Mirabal and he stole 16 bases to boot. Justin's fielding percentage was a little ugly, but his plate disciple and his overall offensive ability lived up to the expectations I set for him after reading his glowing pre-draft scouting report.
3rd Base: The hot corner was manned by Jeff Hunt (20) on an everyday basis who had somewhat of a breakout season when you consider what his lack of playing time over the past two years. I've been a fan of Hunt since he was selected in the 15th round of the 2009 draft, but he was limited to just 18 games in each of his first two professional seasons. Jeff didn't wow anyone in his first stint as a starter and struck out way too much, but he still hit a respectable .272 while hitting 4 bombs and posting an OPS of almost .800. His defense definitely needs a little work, however, as his fielding percentage was a sloppy .816. Scott Woodward (22), who also played some outfield, was the other 3rd baseman for the Raptors and his defense was even worse (.778 fielding %). Woodward also hit a measly .219 despite being one of the older players on the team. I'm still not sure why he was our 7th round pick.
Outfield: The outfield was a point of strength for the Raptors as each of the four main outfielders were mentioned above in either the award section or in the "other prospects of note". Joc Pederson (19) led the way with 63 games played and he spent time in all 3 positions, although the vast majority of his starts came as a corner outfielder (mostly in left). As discussed above Pederson had an outstanding season at the plate, but it should also be noted that Joc led the team with 9 outfield assists. James Baldwin (20) made all his starts in center field and by most accounts played solid defense. He has outstanding range, and also showed off his arm with 5 outfield assists in just 47 games. As I mentioned above I expect him to continue improving both at the plate and in the field. Scott Schebler (21) spent almost all his time in right field and posted the best fielding percentage of all the outfielders. He had a great season at the plate and will get the chance to play in a full season league next year. Finally Noel Cuevas (20) filled in at center field during Baldwin's absence, and did a fine job despite the fact that scouting reports pinned him for a left fielder. Left is probably his best position and its where he spent the other half of his time, but its still encouraging to know that he's athletic enough to handing playing in the middle of the field. After posting good offensive numbers in the rookie league he should get another shot at Rancho in 2012.
Starting Pitchers: The Raptors had a relatively consistent starting rotation in 2011 with four pitchers reaching double digits for starts. Each of the four main starters were discussed above (Gustavo Gomez (20), Raydel Sanchez (21), Brandon Martinez (20), and Derek Cone (21)), so I'll mention the other players that got starts for Ogden here. 2011 8th round pick Rick Anton (22) started 6 games for the Raptors and had an impressive 1.59 ERA in 17 innings which earned him a promotion to the Loons in late July. The lefty’s strikeout to walk rate of 13 to 1 was outstanding, as was his 0.94 WHIP. The 6’11" Chris Handke (23) was used mostly in relief, but he also started 4 games for Ogden early in the season. The Dodgers continue to hold out hope that the giant will be a late bloomer on the mound, but after posting a 6.66 ERA in his 3rd season of rookie ball they might be losing patience with him. Finally Ryan O’Sullivan (21) inked a deal with the Dodgers close to the draft signing deadline, and started 3 games late in the season. He was limited to just 8.1 innings and struggled quite a bit, but the sample size is much too small to make any type of judgment. Despite his limited experience he’ll most likely spend 2012 with a full season club like the Great Lakes Loons.
Relief Pitchers: Yimi Garcia (21) and Matt Shelton (22) had two very different roles for the Raptors in 2011, but they were the teams’ two best relief pitchers by far and were discussed above. Late season call up Eric Eadington (23) was also impressive in his limited time with the club as he tossed 10.1 innings with striking out 13. As I mentioned in my Arizona Dodger report apparently throws 92 - 94 and turned some heads among scouts despite his age. No other reliever on the team with at least 10 IP had an ERA below 4, with the teams’ other Yimy getting the closest. Yimy Rodriguez (24) was a multi-inning reliever as he accumulated 44.1 frames in just 16 appearances and posted an ERA of 4.06. The 27th round pick from the 2010 draft had impressive peripherals, however, as he struck out almost a batter per inning and had a FIP of 3.63. Joel Lima (22) started the 2011 season with a brief and surprising appearance in AA, but mostly struggled in the Pioneer League. He allowed 9 homers in just 34.2 innings which drove his ERA to 5.71 for the season. Hopefully a more pitcher friendly league will benefit Joel in 2012 so we can eventually see the second coming of Lima Time. Carlos De Aza (21) didn’t provide the Raptors with much relief in 2011 as he recorded an ERA over 7 for the second consecutive season. The right hander has a strong frame at 6’3", but at this point he better start getting some better results. Kazuki Nishijima’s (22) professional debut didn’t really go according to plan as he had an ERA of 5.51 for Ogden, but he did show immaculate control which helped him post a FIP of 3.60. I didn’t get any information on what Kazuki threw this season, but previous reports said he was a control guy who threw around 90 mph with a good curveball. While his season will probably get overlooked, I think the lefty could be a sleep prospect for us heading into next year. Steve Matre (23) bounced around between three teams in 2011, but spent most of his time with the Raptors and had an interesting season. His ERA was 5.82 and his WHIP was an ugly 1.82, however he struck out 11.6 batters per inning and his FIP was a much more impressive 3.02. Finally, converted outfielder Michael Drowne (23) seemed to either walk or strikeout everyone in his pitching debut as his K/9 was almost 12, yet he walked more than a batter per inning. At the end of day he had an ERA of 4.56, a WHIP of 2.07, and a FIP of 4.02 while keeping the ball in the park all season long.
League Leaders:
| Pioneer League Hitters | |||
| Category | Player | Rank | Amount |
| Runs | Joc Pederson | 3rd | 54 |
| Hits | Joc Pederson | 2nd | 94 |
| Hits | Scott Schebler | Tied 4th | 84 |
| 2B | Joc Pederson | 4th | 20 |
| 3B | Scott Schebler | Tied 3rd | 8 |
| RBI's | Joc Pederson | 1st | 64 |
| RBI's | Scott Schebler | 4th | 58 |
| Total Bases | Scott Schebler | 3rd | 156 |
| Total Bases | Joc Pederson | 4th | 151 |
| Walks | Joc Pederson | 3rd | 36 |
| Strikeouts | Scott Schebler | 1st | 97 |
| Stolen Bases | Joc Pederson | Tied 3rd | 24 |
| Stolen Bases | James Baldwin | 5th | 22 |
| OB% | Joc Pederson | 2nd | 0.429 |
| SLG% | O'Koyea Dickson | 1st | 0.603 |
| Average | Joc Pederson | 4th | 0.353 |
| OPS | O'Koyea Dickson | 2nd | 1.005 |
| OPS | Joc Pederson | 3rd | 0.997 |
| Pioneer League Pitchers | |||
| Category | Player | Rank | Amount |
| Wins | Brandon Martinez | Tied 4th | 6 |
| ERA | Brandon Martinez | 5th | 4.07 |
| Games Started | Brandon Martinez | Tied 1st | 15 |
| Games Started | Raydel Sanchez | Tied 1st | 15 |
| Innings | Raydel Sanchez | 4th | 75.1 |
| Hits Allowed | Raydel Sanchez | Tied 4th | 89 |
| Walks | Brandon Martinez | 2nd | 44 |
| Walks | Gustavo Gomez | 5th | 36 |
| Strikeouts | Gustavo Gomez | Tied 2nd | 81 |
| Strikeouts | Raydel Sanchez | 5th | 77 |
| Holds | Matt Shelton | Tied 3rd | 5 |
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For reference
2011 Pioneer League:
Batters:
Avg age: 21.1
Avg OPS: .792
Pitchers:
Avg age: 21.5
Avg ERA: 5.08
To Tell The Truth
Will the real Tony LaRussa please stand up. Tony was on the game show long time ago.
For those who missed Pantry Talk last night
http://www.truebluela.com/2011/10/19/2500426/pantry-talk
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somewhat related to the Ogden Report is that Baseball America posted their Dodger draft report today
Not a whole lot of new info here. Dickson was mentioned quite a bit for his great debut, and was named as draft’s best pure and power hitter (along with Alex Santana). As expected Chris Reed is who they rank as closest to the majors, although they say that Scott McGough could beat him there as a fast tracked reliever. 33rd rounder Malcolm Holland was rated as the fastest player and best athlete, and they say he is learning to switch hit and is a long term project a la Trayvon Robinson
Holland
Was he the one committed to play CB with Boise st?
by Julio Nievas on Oct 19, 2011 12:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
For more reference;
Every year it seems that the Raptors have a college draftee dominate the Pioneer League in his professional debut (Kyle Russell/Tony Delmonico in 2008, BCG in 2009, Jake Lemmerman in 2010), and in 2011 that player was O’Koyea Dickson.
2005 – Sergio Pedroza – 1.357 OPS (21 years Old)
2006 – Matt Berezay – 997 OPS (22 years old) -Hey Santana in 2006 .938 OPS at age 20. Out of the blue my ass
2007 – Travis Vetters – 1.206 OPS and brother Jaime Pedroza .981 OPS at age 21
2008 – Tony Delmonico 1.159 OPS (21 years old)
2009 – Jerry Sands 1.114 OPS (21 years old
Brian Ruggiano 1.031 OPS (23 years old)
Brian Cavazos-Galvez .971 (22 years old)
JT Wise .967 (23 years old)
Angelo Songco .944 (20 years old)
2010 Nick Akins 1.060 (22 years old)
Jake Lemmerman 1.044 (21 years old)
Leon Landry .909 (20 years old)
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Travis Vetters came out of an elite college program
by Michael White on Oct 19, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
all those people putting up awesome numbers
and the only one to even be anything thus far was Sands who hasn’t even had top 3 in OPS of these players.
Looking at past minor leaguer’s stats really help dampen your thoughts on our current prospects.
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Don’t, just don’t get excited about College hitters until they do it in an environment outside of a rookie league. The Ogden outfield were all high school draftee’s and deserve our attention. They might be the first notable outfield high schoolers that Logan has drafted since Matt Kemp. Bout time.
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Yu
Darvish is going to formally ask to be posted. I ass-u-me that the Dodgers will keep their 10 foot pole at bay on this one.
The Yankees need pitching and they lost in the ALDS. I’m guessing a $50MM posting fee from New York is on the way.
by Michael White on Oct 19, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry I don’t mean to be a prick this morning (though it appears I’m doing a good job of it, okay, grouch hat off). I’m thrilled when a foreign pitcher becomes Kuroda, let alone Nomo, but with the hype of Daisuke, I can’t get excited or buy into Yu until he’s actually pitched against major league hitters and succeeded.
Plus, since you know he’s going to sign with the Yankee’s you might as well start hating now.
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I think he signs with the Rangers after they lose this world series and realize Darvish will be cheaper than CJ Wilson
If you include the posting fee I don’t see anyway Darvish would be cheaper then CJ, and then again, Darvish probably has little interest in pitching in Fort Worth. You don’t leave the glitter of Japan for hell.
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Yes, he can still say no. The posting fee only gives the team the right to negotiate with him.
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Dude made $6.5mil US this year (500million Yen), I just don’t see him turning down a contract from anyone, and Texas is at the very least the most successful team of the last two years.
These aren’t US players, I doubt money is the number one issue. JMO
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
If it’s not money, then it’s winning, right? Who has had more success in the last two years than the Rangers? Unless all he really wants is attention.
I’d say you do not understand Japanese culture. He will not play for the Texas Rangers.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m glad you’re so worldly, Phil. I think he’ll play for whoever posts the highest posting fee, and while I too assume that’ll be the Yankees, I wouldn’t be shocked if the Rangers made a big big push for him if they miss out on another ring.
I believe his Japanese team gets to decide who wins the posting. Maybe they take in to consideration where Yu wants to play among those bidding? I think Texas bids $50M or so no matter what they think will happen with C.J. Wilson.
I assume the Japanese culture Phil alludes to without detail is playing in a city with a Japanese community. Maybe he will enlighten us. :)
That’s news to me. I assumed the posting system functioned as a straight auction. I didn’t realize the Japanese team could accept a lower bid.
And if Texas puts up a $50MM posting bid they are insane.
by Michael White on Oct 19, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
To tell you the truth I am not 100% sure. Maybe someone can look up the rule with a google search. /lazy
When a player under contract with a Nippon Professional Baseball team wishes to play in Major League Baseball, he must notify his current team’s management and request that they make him available for posting during the next posting period (November 1 – March 1).4 The NPB team can reject this request, and the player will not be posted.22 However, if the team consents, the player is presented to the MLB Commissioner. The Commissioner then notifies all MLB teams of the posted player and holds a four-day-long silent auction during which interested MLB teams submit sealed bids in U.S. dollars to the Commissioner’s Office. After the allotted four days have passed, the Commissioner closes the bidding process and notifies the posted player’s NPB team of the highest bid amount but not who the bidding team is. The NPB team then has four days to either accept or reject the non-negotiable bid amount.
Interesting, could have sworn when Dice K was being posted it was reported that they did not have to take the highest bid.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Not worldly, did work with Japanese Nationals for 15 years. You forget this is not just about the player it is also about the media contingent that will follow him to the United States. Good bet he will have as many as Ichiro had and none of them will want to live in Fort Worth. There are pressures involved here. As Xeifrank noted, his team can pick the winner of the posting. This is just my opinion but Darvish will not be pitching for the Texas Rangers or any other team not located on an East or West Coast.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with you
Darvish has the added pressure of being half Iranian as well.
boy was I disappointed when I got married and learned this lesson the hard way
thought I was getting a stepford wife, instead I was made into the house hubby (not true, but fun to say)
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I understood what you meant
I just think it’ll be interesting to watch. All things considered, Dice-K was a relative bust. Maybe without the hype machine, he would’ve fared better. I personally regard Yu similarly to how I viewed Strasburg: exciting yet unproven. We’ll see.
I’d guess different, he knows the offense well enough
I bet they have a half a dozen shots already planned
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh he said Carson Palmer, not Mark Sanchez.
By the way, I hope it’s okay but I invited the guy who has rebuilt my swing to the cages with us Saturday. The guy absolutely breathes hitting.
Brandon Martinez
In case anyone forgot, Brandon Martinez is the subject of a book:
http://www.amazon.com/Born-Play-Brandon-Martinez-Story/dp/1441597883
written by his father that attempts to tell the story of a special needs child working his way through the public school system.
The book created a bit of stink locally (he’s from Fowler High School) because the father took plenty of shots at school officials, etc. I never read it, nor had any interest in it, but there it is.
It is an interesting story but not a very good book. It is poorly written IMO.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 19, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Kim Ng
Interviewing for Angels GM job.
ah
beat me. and you have a link
(slinks away)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 19, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Olney tweeting
that the Angels are going to interview Kim Ng for their GM
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 19, 2011 9:05 AM PDT reply actions
I guess even in fake baseball you can’t pitch with a bad wing.
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the injury is what did that i’m sure. I bet Eo sucks, and Rubby isn’t much better. They don’t do a good job of updating player’s abilities till the next year (if at all).
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check in the minors
I know I downloaded him before he got hurt
by eitherethier on Oct 19, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
If I was in the market for a tatoo
I might sign up for BH’s words from the last thread
“Chicken thighs, I implore you”
I can’t help but smile knowing the Rangers have been in the World Series back to back while Arod contemplates this.
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That would not be plural
2004 – Lost AL Championship Series (4-3) to Boston Red Sox
2005 – Lost AL Division Series (3-2) to Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
2006 – Lost AL Division Series (3-1) to Detroit Tigers
2007 – Lost AL Division Series (3-1) to Cleveland Indians
2008 – 89-73, Finished 3rd in AL East
2009 - Won World Series (4-2) over Philadelphia Phillies
2010 – Lost AL Championship Series (4-2) to Texas Rangers
2011 – Lost AL Division Series (3-2) to Detroit Tigers
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Even the Dodgers get out of the Division Series in the 21st century when they make the playoffs
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
2012 Free Agent QBs
Vince Young
Matt Flynn
Jason Campbell
Kyle Orton
Alex Smith
Chad Henne
Caleb Hanie
Shaun Hill
Donovan McNabb
David Garrard
Charlie Whitehurst
Rex Grossman
Dennis Dixon
Josh Johnson
Drew Stanton
Jason Campbell
Kyle Orton
Alex Smith
Chad Henne
Josh Johnson
its really not that bad
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I know nothing about football these days, but I think Henne is having a good season so far, and Kyle Orton is the top of that class IMO, but the rest is just so uninspiring if your team is looking for a QB
Henne is on Injured Reserve.
I think Campbell would be a fit for a team with a solid running game.
by silverwidow on Oct 19, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
It also doesn't look like Alex Smith is going to go anywhere
he is finally finding success, its in his and the 49ers best interest for him to stay put.
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Josh Johnson has played very well as a backup to Josh Freeman. Alex Smith is having a career year. Henne is out for the year. Kyle Orton has put up big numbers but lost his job to tebow. Jason Campbell is solid but is out for th eyear.
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I still think Smith sucks. Orton and Campbell seem to be the best of the group.
by Michael White on Oct 19, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Not taking Rodgers is their biggest fail in franchise history. How could you miss out on the local product??
by silverwidow on Oct 19, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
revisionist history
rodgers fell to 18th+. 49ers where not the only team to pass
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Rodgers was the 2nd QB off the board (24th overall). So it seems like all those other teams didn’t need a quarterback.
by silverwidow on Oct 19, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
there are always teams that need QBs
they passed on Rodgers because they didn’t think he was worth a first rounder.
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Just looking back at the teams that passed
In the top 5, Miami, Chicago and Cleveland and none of those teams were exactly set at QB. Heck, the Dolphins haven’t had a legitimate QB since Marino.
by Michael White on Oct 19, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Grossman was still highly thought of back then
but Cleveland had Trent Dilfer
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yes
objects in rear-view mirror are incredibly clear
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Unless you drive a convertible with a plastic window
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
that damn plastic window
is a bitch in the mornings. The dew on it is worse than on a glass window.
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I removed mine
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
You've got the glass one now? That one looked nicer
Dang, mine (my dad’s actually) is just sitting underneath a tree in the drive way, dead battery and covered in leaves and it looks like sap. We need to get it up and running and clean that sucker.
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There were some big red flags on Smith though
He played in a college spread system and his hands were too small to properly handle the football (remember those fumble problems he had.) It seems like the tie-breaker for SF was his wonderlic score which is absurd considering that Rodgers went to…well, nevermind I can’t say that without this conversation going in a different direction.
by Michael White on Oct 19, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
heh
Looking back at the coverage, there where rumors that the 49ers would take smith, and then deal him to the team that takes Rodgers for Rodgers and picks. Alex Smith was, whoever wrongly, though of by many to be the better QB.
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To throw in 2 pennies
Matt Flynn will be highly sought after, he was this off season (asking price was 2nd round) due in part to what he did against the Pats last season. VY will be chased as well, look at that gaudy winning %. Chad Henne will be looked at by a number of teams on the strength of what he did in four games this season, I think that he has turned the corner, but he has been injured and that may be enough to scare him back to Miami until Luck or Jones or that Kid from SC is ready to go. All in all this is a pedestrian class but there are some that will be over-paid.
just look at what
matt schuab and kolb commanded after having a few good games steeping up when the starter was injured
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Cassel at least had a full season of looking great
and he still turned out shitty. Schuab ftw!
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it depends on what you define as great
brees manning brady rodgers Rivers are great
then theres Schuab Roflburger Cutler Ryan
and then everyone else. I’ve left out some of the young guys who are still “unproven” to me like stafford and bradford and josh freeman.
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in the “then theres” group one of those is unlike the other
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm curious which one
and which way you are going with it. QB rankings can be very controversial
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well one of them has been to 3 superbowls and won 2
maybe only one of two active QBs with more than one ring
the other guys have not even been to a Superbowl
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
He also has one of the best defenses in the league
Roflburger is probably the best of the 2nd tier, but I just don’t think he belongs with Rivers Rodgers Brees Manning and Brady.
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Rivers has had a better team than the Steelers since they have both been in the league.
Dude wins games – his playoff runs have been unreal
even in the superbowl where he mostly shit the bed, he led the Steelers from the 6 spot to the SB with 3 incredible playoff performances – and even in that game he made some incredible plays
He is top 5 in my book and in most hardcore NFL analyst book – he isn’t a fantasy QB, but he is a hell of a real QB
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Chargers better than the Steelers? You’ve lost me there. The Steelers defense has been dominating and outside of the Ravens they have been the best defense we’ve seen in quite some time.
Look over the Rosters year in and year out – Chargers have has superior talent and I am a Steeler fan
I think the Steelers have had better coaching, but a player by player level – factoring in things like best running back in the league, best TE, great D, better O-line…Chargers should have been better
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder what you would say
if someone came in here and started extoling the values of a baseball player because of how clutch they where in the playoffs.
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different
in baseball your offense has not bearing on your stats. Everyone steps up to the plate and has the same experience. It is a one on one game.
Not so in football when you are part of a group, not so in football when you are shaped by the offense, not so in football where positional value as an offensive player is significantly different
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
I’d disagree on that. I’d say the Steelers have had one of the top 3 teams over the 6 or 7 years.
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well, that has been the outcome hasn’t it
but that has not been the forecast
and they have been doing it for the last 3 years with a smoke and mirrors offensive line at best
Roethlisberger gets all the credit he deserves from the hardcore NFL analyst, but gets half of what he has earned from the active NFL fan.
He is better than you think
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
oh no I ranked him as the 6th best QB in football
how terrible!
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This is what I don't like
When I’m talking about talent I really don’t care how many superbowls you’ve won. Rothlisberger isn’t better than Rodgers because he’s got more rings, same goes with Rivers and a handful of other QBs as well.
It does have a place, especially in football more than any other sport, with basketball really being the closest (IMO) of having a star helping you win, but I don’t think that should trump talent. Terry Bradshaw is awful and he had 4 superbowls.
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Why exactly is Rivers better? I think Rivers is a real good QB but I don’t think I’d put him that much higher (if at all) than Ben. They both bring completely different things to their teams so it’s impossible to measure.
Real question, who is the bigger asshole, Rivers or Roethlisberger?
And, yes, I know how to spell Roethlisberger without looking it up.
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
don't even have to rely on unproven things
just for riding his motorcycle without a helmet and putting his team in a shitty position I’ll take roflburger
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You can’t call someone a dick for choosing not to use a helmet.
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he is bieng paid millions of dollars
has a clause in his contract to not ride his motorbike, and significantly impaced every other player on his team and the outcome of the games they played. Yeah, I’m going to keep calling him an asshole.
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I had no clue there was an "e" in "roeth" until this season
who knew
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by regfairfield on Oct 19, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Rivers put up elite passing stats now
and has for a few years. I don’t even like him in the slightest but it’s true. He hasn’t had the post season success but I really don’t think that’s the defining measure.
Example: I’ll take Dan Marino over Joe Montana talent wise.
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Having actually seen Terry Bradshaw play
I would not term him awful. Roman Gabriel perhaps.
The game was different back then.
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Terry Bradshaw was amazing, maybe the best QB in the league during those second two superbowl wins
Why on earth would anyone consider him awful?
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you just call Roman Gabriel awful? WTF
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they may have overlapped, but earlier
I remember him from early 70’s – maybe before James Harris
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Might have been my first football hero. I think there is an image of him with defensive lineman draped all over him but he refusing to go down.
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Roman Gabriel
is a great name. And a great football name. Sounds like a bad ass quarterback.
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He had this book Player of the Year where he kept a journal throughout the 1969 season.
I think I read it about 20 times as a kid. So many times that it basically fell apart. My dad is a huge Rams fan and had the book since he was a kid.
I can almost picture that photo
I think. Does he still hold the record for most fumbles in a game?
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he threw for 2 more TDs than interceptions in his career...
51.9 completion percentage. Threw for 3,000+ yards twice.
If the game was different back then I guess it meant that QBs were not buried by people for being average. I guess awful was the wrong term.
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Just a term used by someone who didn’t understand how the game was played back then. Sonny Jurgenson could throw the ball better then anyone of his era, he was not close to being the best QB of his era.
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poorly by qbs?
I just thank god I wasn’t born 30 years earlier so I could actually watch good quarterback performances.
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Could be that i'm 21 and never watched anyone before 1998 play
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I’m 26 and I understand that they ran the ball a lot more back then. He also played in the era of 14-game seasons.
Hell, he led the league with 407 pass attempts one year. Add in two more games at the same rate and he’s at 465; he would have ranked 10th in 2005 in attempts. And he LED the league in pass attempts.
Plus this was the time where defensive linemen could basically pile drive the QBs if they got to him.
Back then
There was no such penalty as “illegal contact” by a defensive back. They could play bump and run the entire route until the pass was released, but were really only flagged if they were still doing it when the ball was almost to the receiver. Also, the offensive linemen were frequently called for holding for simply pushing the defensive linemen, and the defensive linemen were allowed to “head-slap” the O-line, which sometimes stunned the blocker for a second.
Pass plays were hardly ever called on first down. The good rushing teams frequently had two 1,000 yard rushers in the backfield at the same time, even with 12 and 14-game seasons. A QB was thought to put up good numbers if his completion percentage was better than 50%. In Bradshaw’s early years, he wasn’t so good…but he became one of the best QBs in the NFL in the mid-70s.
by The Dude Abides on Oct 19, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Deacon Jones
made his hay with the head slap in his arsenal.
One might think old-school NFL would really in a time when MMA is really popular. Head slaps, clotheslines, heck they still got away with spearing occasionally.
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There's not much to do
Maybe it’s time to go get the shotgun and take me out back
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We’ll just send you to rural Ohio.
Too soon?
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I thought my wife was going to break the TV this morning
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its horrible
but I’m not sure it was the wrong decision. I blame the owner.
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Without having read many details, I think the sheriff was probably in a very difficult position.
If it is true that the operator of this rescue facility opened the cages and killed himself, seems pretty clear where the blame should lie.
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My own feeling was that it was better to have one last smell of freedom then to simply be euthanized in a cage.
I blame humans for trying to make pets of big game animals in the first place, circuses for abusing said animals, and drug dealers who get tired of gold chains, sex, drugs and decide big cats would be cool to have. or boxers or pop singers.
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I blame the San Francisco Giants. Because, fuck them.
by fbihop on Oct 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see why the owner couldn't have donated them to a zoo
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That’s a lot of cats for a zoo to take on. Hell, most zoo’s aren’t capable of adding adult cats because they are already near their max limit and save a little bit of room for any newborns.
What he did was stupid and he basically signed the death certificate of those cats by releasing them. That said the sheriff could have done many other things that wouldn’t have led to the deaths of all those cats.
I’m a huge big cat fan and support a number of animal rights groups (not nutjobs and attention whores like PETA).
If a single civilian was injured by any of those animals while they tried something else, would the criticism of the sheriff have been deafening?
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he would have lost his job
the problem was night was approaching. Even the Columbus zoo said it was too dangerous to try to tranq them at night.
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The sheriff was in an extremely difficult position. No doubt about that. I also just read that they were worried about losing the cats in the dark as it was approaching night time. That helps explain his decision even more.
I just hate seeing so many animals being senselessly killed. Especially when you consider how endangered big cats are becoming. They are being forced into smaller and smaller areas all around the world and being killed often because they get too close to humans. There needs to be a better way for us to live around these animals.
My passion on this topic has more to do with people living near the habitats of the big cats. This situation is completely different in that they were released into a human environment that wasn’t their own. They were going to be overly aggressive and defensive just because of the environment they were in. Again, I don’t fault the sheriff for his decision. I just wish more time would have been given to actually attempting to capture more of these animals.
20 years ago I was surprised to find out that Zoo’s only accept certain full blooded DNA animals. They are not a place for the wobegones. If you do not have the right DNA, Siberian or not, they will not take you.
In Southern Cal we have numerous big cat sanctuary’s such as Wildlife Waystation, and Shambala Preserve
http://www.shambala.org/
They would love Zoo’s to take their animals but they won’t.
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guys were allowed to play defense then
offenses were different then, you threw when the D expected you to
this was before Walsh updated Sid Gilliam’s offense and changed football by using a series of short passes thrown in rhythm on running downs
this was before defenses were neutered
context my boy, context
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I can understand some of that
I grew up in an ERA with great QB numbers, I don’t expect anything else from the top guys. When I’m shown numbers like Bradshaw’s, I just can’t believe they would ever be considered great.
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NFL network – watch it
you will cry and yearn for what the game was
What is great about baseball is that it doesn’t change
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
just an order or two of magnitude less rule changes than football.
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maybe changing the mound in 69 certainly changed the game dramatically.
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yes – that counts
outlawing the spitter counts
but few changes to the magnitude of defense adjustments in the NFL
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
We could probably list the impactful on-field rule changes baseball has made in our lifetime right now, mound height, DH. We could not possibly come anywhere near close with the NFL.
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Dimensions of baseball fields and the waivers given to new stadiums which allows them to be smaller than regulation is probably a big change. Though not really a rule change.
But baseball has always had fields with varying dimensions. That’s part of the game.
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I would say Brees Manning Brady Rodgers and Rivers are elite
the next tier would be great, then good, then average, then below average, then Vince Young, haha.
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You combine age into that equation the only QB the Steelers trade Roethlisberger for on that list is Rodgers.
and everybody trades anybody for Rodgers
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
That's their stupid fault
Brady is better, Manning is better (was before the injury, who knows after this year), Rivers is better, Brees is better. Rothlisberger has 2 rings, and one of the biggest reasons he got there is his elite defense he’s always had behind him. In his first superbowl he was terrible. He’s had good or great playoff performances since, but he wasn’t good in the last superbowl and he gets credit for those rings when he really isn’t all that great of a QB.
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very true
he has had 2 shittastic super bowl performances to 1 good one? Yet all that gets remembered his his “clutch” drive to win against AZ
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I hated the result
but damn if that wasn’t the best football game i’ve ever watched.
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That said he is inexplicably agile and can run well for his size
Which adds value to him. And he also is a “clutch” qb. But when it comes to stats, other than a couple of years, I haven’t seen a whole ton from him that says he is elite.
Perception wise, he is the anti Tony Romo.
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he is freakishly strong
and his ability to alude sacks is impressive
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20 yards per attempt
10 percent completion percentage
vs
12 yards per attempt
60 percent completion percentage
think about it
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check out his completion percentage too
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
not using a player here
just saying YPA isn’t the one stat to rule them all
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i'm confused
Rivers has a higher completion percentage and a higher YPA.
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he might
that is just my favorite stat – I don’t know anyone’s numbers
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
over career same 8.0 for both with same 120 Y/A+
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Not interested in careers
but who is the best QB right now
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what if it’s 4th and 18 for the superbowl win with 3 seconds left, who would you rather have at QB, HUH HUH?
It would take a series of unfortunate events for that to be your own 18 yard line.
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their like
top 12 guys. Its mostly hazy after the top 5 to me. I guess theres really 4 tiers and manning is near the top of the 3rd tier? sometimes. Dude is inconsistent.
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i had the #6 or 7 pick so I figured I would just grab a second tier guy anyway, and if I wasn’t getting an elite QB I should stock up elsewhere. My plan would have worked too if not for Chris Johnson and those meddlesome kids.
I post at TexansTalk message board and many there hate Schaub. He’s probably still top 10 but I think that has more to do with how bad a lot of QB’s are.
Your average sports fan though McNabb was never a good QB
keep that in mind. Its the case of people putting all the blame for everything on Schuab because he DOESN’T.JUST.WIN.GAMES despite having one of the worst defenses in the league year in and year out
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I’m not really talking about the average sports fan though. There are a lot of passionate fans over there who know what they are talking about and they are the ones I’m referencing. I dislike the Texans. You know that. I have no problem calling their fans stupid too ;) but there are some good ones over there.
Schaub isn’t the root of their problems over the last few years. Hell, he’s carried that team at times, but he just hasn’t shown what it takes to take the team to the next level. He can put up great stats but he often folds under the pressure late in games.
Vince Young had to settle for a backup QB job this year. How is sitting behind Vick (and being injured like usual) going to help his stock?
I'm reading sarcasm into his response
vince young JUST.WINS.GAMES.
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Raiders 2013 conditional pick becomes a #1 only if they go to AFC championship this year. Per John Clayton.
right, I think that was reported earlier before the Professor got wind of it ;) So
it’s a 2012 #1 and a 2012 #2 most likely.
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When ARod only hit 16 home runs this year
it broke a streak of 13 years in a row with more then 30 home runs
Barry Bonds also did it 13 times
Ryan Howard has done it six times in a row but probably won’t make seven
Mickey Mantle eight years in a row
Albert Pujols has done it all eleven seasons he’s played in the major leagues. I don’t think anyone is close to that.
Jim Thome Nine years in a row, then only 7, then three more
Mike Schmidt did it four years in a row then only 21, then NINE more years in a row
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Longoria is 25 and only hit 22 last year, so he’d have to hit 30+ every year for the following 12 seasons to tie, and hitting that many in your mid-late 30s is difficult. Braun is 27 and only hit 25 last year.
I’d have to bet on him over anyone else though his park won’t make it easy.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
He just may have the best pure power in all of baseball
Damn I’d love him on our team
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I’d say Longoria is already out of the running
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
as is Braun
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Longo has 4 years straight I believe right now
I could see him reaching 10.
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What do you mean when you say no one is close to Pujols’ 11 years, after saying that ARod and Bonds did it 13 years running? I’m puzzled. (No one else with an active streak that might someday overtake ARod and Bonds?)
When you say “Jim Thome Nine years in a row, then only 7, then three more”, what does the “then only 7” part mean? Just 7 HR the next year? And “then three more” means three more years of 30+ HR?
Wow, is it really that hard to understand?
Pujols has done it EVERY season he’s played in the major leagues
Yes, Thome hit seven home runs after hitting 30 nine years in a row, then he hit 30 or more three more times.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, it wasn’t completely clear.
OK, here’s a what-if question: suppose Pujols is injured in the WS or off-season and has to retire from baseball. Which is the greater achievement: his 11 every year he played, or ARod’s and Bonds’ 13 consecutive? What about someone who played just 7 years and did it every year?
In my opinion, ARod’s and Bonds’ consecutive 13 years win out. But, given that Pujols is very unlikely to retire this year, he has a chance to overtake them, for sure. But sooner or later, the most likely thing is that he too will have a year when he doesn’t hit over 30 HR but will keep on playing for a few more years. At that point, he will no longer have it “every year”. The question will be – does he have fewer or more than 13 consecutive years?
I haven’t checked whether either ARod or Bonds began their streak also in their first year (so that at one point they had “every year” and it was 13, outclassing Pujols for now) or not. Probably not or you would have said so. OK.
Still, in the end, we’ll only know who outclasses who when Pujols’ streak ends, as it will eventually, one way or another. For the moment, all we can say is – he has the chance the outclass them.
IF Bonds or AROD had done it from the beginning I probably would have mentioned it. The reason I mentioned Pujols because I was down the list of every great home run hitter NO ONE had done this.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Even with 2 less years than Arod and Bonds
He did it from the starting gate where they did it in the prime of their careers. I think it’s just as if not more impressive. Also, Pujols’ prime might be his ENTIRE career to this point, or 2010.
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You should run the numbers
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
A-Rod mashed 30 taters from age 20-34
Pujols did his from age 21-?
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Adam Dunn
did it eight years in a row until this year.
2011 was a streak breaker
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Great home park, will be curious where he lands.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Jimmie Foxx
did it 12 years in a row
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Lou Gehrig
nine years in a row
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
How long do you think he will be out next year?
Howard that is? Or do you think his power will be zapped?
I have no reason to believe Pujols won’t get at least 14 or 15 barring injury, knock on wood.
I love Jim Thome, he was and is great. I just wish he would have hit at least 1 hr with us.
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Howard will probably be ready for the start of the season, or will miss April. I read his surgery is a 4-6 month recovery time.
and the countdown will begin on when he will be traded to an AL team to be a DH. He will be positively statuesque toward the end of that contract. Maybe he’ll be traded for a young Jim Thome type. ;)
He is too highly valued to the Phils I think at this point in their mind
Also trading him might be Vernon Wells hard*
*Hard as in how hard it should have been, not how hard it was.
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semi-related
I still never understood why Piazza didn’t convert to 1b or at least DH. He was damn stubborn.
Piazza proved that first base is indeed incredibly hard.
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by regfairfield on Oct 19, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
He was no Scotty Hatterberg that’s for sure
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
also, word was he wanted to play Catcher long enough to hit most HRs ever by a Catcher, and by that time it was too late for him to be anything else.
Mikey got worn
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Also
I think catchers love being catchers. Can you imagine going from being involved in every pitch to standing around watching the milk curdle.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
This sounds believable to me. I still wish he would’ve kicked the living s—- out of Roger Clemens though. I have a couple regrets in life, and that’s my vicarious baseball one.
god yes. I lost a little love for Mikey then, if ever violence was needed
if ever violence was the solution
it was then
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
What happens when Roid Rage meets Roid Rage?
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope that isn’t the reason he didn’t
Though I’d bet on Roger
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Andrew Luck
Rumors that he might pull a power play if he doesn’t like who has the first pick. Either by forcing a trade or going back to school.
You can’t go back to school after you are drafted. Well, you could, but you wouldn’t be able to play football.
by Michael White on Oct 19, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess it would be before the draft and he knows who’s taking him.
by silverwidow on Oct 19, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Is is hitter friendly?
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Left Field Line – 340 feet (104 m)
Left-Center Power Alley – 384 feet (117 m)
“Bermuda Triangle” In Left-Center – 420 feet (128 m)
Center Field – 416 feet (127 m)
Right-Center Power Alley – 392 feet (119 m)
Right Field Line – 335 feet (102 m)
Backstop: – 47 ft (14.3 m)
That’s like NO foul territory, so that helps the hitters, but the field sounds huge.
might eventually be neutral
since florida weather is so damn hot and humid.. turns alot of parks into launching pads – see: arlington
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 19, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Miami altitude: 6 ft
Arlington altitude: 604 ft
by silverwidow on Oct 19, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I read somewhere that they were thinking* of doing short but huge deals with Fielder or Pujols
It would be crazy to see something like 3 years and what they could both get in that short amount of time.
*speculation i’m 1 billionty percent sure.
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Dodgers with hitters who have had at least two seasons in a row with 30 home runs
Duke Snider – 1953 – 1957, 40-42-40-43-40 (he might have been pretty good)
Eric Karros 1995 1997, 32, 34, 31
Gary Sheffield – 1999 – 2001, 34, 43, 36
Gil Hodges – 1950 – 1954, 32, 40, 32, 31, 42
Mike Piazza – 1995 – 1997, 32, 36, 40
Pedro Guerrero – 1982-1983, 32, 32
Raul Mondesi – 1997 – 1999, 30, 30, 33
Roy Campanella – 1950-1951, 30, 31
Shawn Green – 2000 – 2001, 49, 42
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I thought you were asking the Dodger record
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Sosa had 6 years in a row, and averaged 55.3333 HR per year from 1998-2003, if he had hit 4 more in each of 95 and 97, he’d have had a 9 year run of 40+
That's just absolutely silly
Too bad it’s asterisked in history.
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Yup
If you didn’t hit after 2004, you don’t get mentioned.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Babe Ruth Seven Times?
Dunn five times
Pujols four times
Arod Six times and eight out of nine years
Thome Four time and six out of seven years
Griffey Five times
Ryan Howard four times
Duke Snider five times
Ernie Banks four times
Killebrew four times
Ralph Kiner fiver times
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
insane
’Arod Six times and eight out of nine years"
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Used to be, can’t imagine anyone who has taken that mantle.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Let's not have a similar situation with Kemp
pay him!
Though clearly Piazza>everyone especially 1997 Larry Walker
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It’s my argument when people say, “Will the Cards sign Pujols?” Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet.
Better to screw up with your own then with someone else’s.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Good point
I’d hate to see Kemp go down in flames later on with a big contract (or at all), but better than letting him go, signing fielder this year and having fielder turn into Mo Vaughn.
I don’t actually think that will happen to fielder, just saying.
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idk, 40+ hr for 5 straight years isn't all that impressive
does he have 3 MVPs in 5 years like Campanella? That’s what I thought!
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In the 1950's media loved their catchers
Yogi Berra won three MVP 1951, 54, 55 and finished 2nd twice, 3rd once, and fourth once. All in one decade
Campy win three MVP 1951, 53, 55
I’m guessing that as great as Yogi Berra was, people like Noiji would hate him.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Catcher is a pretty important position when they can hit…look out
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Yogi put up some awesome seasons for a catcher
And the 3 years Roy won the MVP he had 7.5, 8.4, and 6.4 fWARs with .325/.393/.590, .312/.395/.611, and .318/.395/.583 lines. in 53 he even had 142 rbis.
That is insane.
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There is a reason why he’s in the discussion for greatest catcher of all time
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Yet, probably 90% of Baseball Fans only know him as a caricature.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
90% of baseball fans are half wrong.
by kinbote on Oct 19, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
brilliant
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
It sucked losing Piazza
but no one can say we didn’t get an amazing bat in Sheffield out of it.
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It wasn’t no D4P that is for sure
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
silly puppy
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 19, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Delino for Pedro
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I find it amusing that Phil gave me the only straight answer
Good to know, thanks. I thought that was a poster on Dodgers Thoughts or the Toaster way back when.
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It was
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
but not a great bat at catcher, nor a life long Dodger straight into the HoF
but yeah, Sheff was fun and menacing
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Sheffield is responsible for me learning the phrase “like trying to throw a steak by a wolf”
Also said about Vinny Castilla. Thanks, Vin.
“Like trying to throw a drunk girl by a frat boy”
that would be awesome
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
“A Simpsons reference by Tommy Blackjack.”
by kinbote on Oct 19, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
easy rec
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 19, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Dallas Stars fans and media can’t figure out why they’re currently first in the western conference but can’t get anyone out to their games.
Duh.
Clearly they need more Japanese Nationals.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Are the Dallas Stars a minor league baseball team?
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Another one of those ludicrous sports maneuvers
when a place that adores hockey, Minnesota, loses their NHL team to a place that is far more indifferent (Dallas), because money talks. Then some time later, the NHL goes, whoops, we kind of need a team in Minnesota and thus the Wild were born.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
When you're not making money in one place, you move to another
This SI article does a better job that I can. You’re right that Minnesota fans are passionate, but it looks like it’s more complicated than just money talks.
by Josie Becker on Oct 19, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Sands got traded for Carlos Santana, Jim loney stays Jim Loney and ties Duke Snider’s 5 straight 40 homer seasons.
We traded him for Jim
His brother James is no longer on the roster
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Welcome my friends, I am Mr. Rourk your host, this is nightmare Island
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Howard Rourk?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 19, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah
that could stand a remake
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 19, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
is that off now? I never read that one
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 19, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
first novel i ever really got into (i was never a book reader growing up). a very pretty strawberry blonde in college recommended it to me first in college.
I think the whole thing is explained by the female
as it usually is
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Saw the movie with my sister. Was never so disappointed in my life.
Duh
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Come on
how can any team that has Kemp in 2014 be a nightmare? Pederson really is the best outfield prospect we’ve had at that age since Kemp.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
are you off
the Baldwinwagon?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 19, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
“My dreams came true!”
/Outfield OPSes .650
“Damn you monkey paw!”
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by regfairfield on Oct 19, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
“The turkey’s a little dry?!?!?!”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 19, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
yes!
Awesome episode.
Reminds me of:
Shopkeeper: [Homer has agreed to purchase a Krusty doll for Bart’s birthday] Take this object, but beware it carries a terrible curse!
Homer: Ooh, that’s bad.
Shopkeeper: But it comes with a free frogurt!
Homer: That’s good.
Shopkeeper: The frogurt is also cursed.
Homer: That’s bad.
Shopkeeper: But you get your choice of toppings.
Homer: That’s good!
Shopkeeper: The toppings contain potassium benzoate.
[Homer looks puzzled]
Shopkeeper: …That’s bad.
Homer: Can I go now?
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my older brother and I
repeat that to each other all the time. never fails to make us laugh
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 19, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
That used to be the biggest joke between my old best friend and i for years
so great
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By dream, I meant those prospects become good
apparently you guys didn’t get that part…
just having fun
any 3 good outfielders at one time is more than a dream, that is a goddamn fantasy
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
oh man
such fun we had, in those bygone days of yore
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 19, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
On a conference call and both bored and tense
have a bat in my office
have a box of kleenex on my desk
Call on speaker, I am contributing but trying not to dominate, walking about, swinging the bat
Start taking swings at the tissue sticking out of the box
woosh swing through, box stays put, tissue flys in the air, new tissue pops up ready for action. woosh again, and again, and again. 20 or so tissues later the call ends, I pick up tissues, sit down feeling calm and happy
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 11:52 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
It made me sneeze into my travel kleenex
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
this is
awesoke
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 19, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Goddam that is awesome
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I have a bat in every room in my house except the kitchen
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I find that if you bring in the bat, it becomes accepted as a charming personality quirk
it also helps if you have kick ass performance
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve been amazed for the last 15 years how many people have guitar setups in their office.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
In my old office, we had a couple footballs, two bats, a nerf basketball hoop, a table that we made into a psuedo ping-pong table, and a bag of golf clubs for our 9-hole office golf course. Its amazing what you can get away with at some places.
I majored in office hijinx, that is my kind of place you had there
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
My security would also frown on a baseball bat, I think. But I have two golf clubs in my office. They are essentially ornamental, one has a wooden shaft.
And a Fred McGriff Dodger bobble head, still in the box.
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that is is blatant sports prejudice against baseball
golf clubs are just as deadly
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure
but smacking a golf club into your palm doesn’t look anywhere near as threatening as smacking a baseball bat into your palm.

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I kept waiting
for this story to involve something breaking.
I can give that story:
So in my 20’s my brothers all lived close to me and we’d visit my 3rd oldest and play indoor nerf baseball because he had the perfect living room for it. We’d use plastic bats and play basic over the line rules with any ball over our head a home run. For most of the time we played this, little damage was done, but the last time we played I cut loose with a mighty swing which carried me far left and my follow through cleared every single thing my sister-in-law had on her mantle which would entail framed photo’s and such. It made for a dramatic crash and put an end to a game we had enjoyed for several years. I can still remember everyone’s mouth dropping as being Uncle Phil involved much shaking of heads.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
when I was in my mid-20's
I was a network admin working in a department with 3 of my fraternity brothers and a couple of young guys from UCLA. It was nuts. Any description I share would seem over the top and yet would only be half as nuts as it really was – (here is an indication of how nuts – across the hall from our suite was a dentist office and the dentist would leave Friday at noon, leaving his hygienist to answer phones and look after the shop – I ended up hooking up with the gal and we’d do unspeakable things in the dental chair while consuming heroic amounts of nitrous oxide. really.)
anyway I digress – our suite was a large 30 by 30 office with no dividers, just folding tables, racks, and dozens of PCs at any one time (we were also QA engineers) – we were able with this large space to create a number of athletic contests in that space, including a great whiffle ball field. We played for months without any ill effects.
This was also the time that email was coming into play and while no one had an email that went outside of the company, we did have an intra-company email program which we hosted
You already know where this is going, ball was pitched, ball was struck, ball struck the power button of the mail server, mail server goes down, everybody crashes, harddrive doesn’t like the rude way it was shutdown, we can’t get the server back up, we make up some story about the cheap shit PCs we have to work with, we get a hot new server.
A good time was had by all
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
so much win in this story
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 19, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh sure
add some sex and you get a rec:)
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This seems so lame in comparison, but for two years in the mid-to-late 80s, we had a 12-team Strat-O-Matic baseball league.
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I did a Baseball Mogul league with some friends and some people I didn't know a few years ago
We did a week simmed a day I think. What an awesome and nerdy experience. Too bad everyone lost interest so quickly after the first season. I tried rebuilding the Cards, then half way through wanted to win games, and I had Adam Dunn hit 17 home runs for me in September to get my team over .500. It was awesome.
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did the winner get drugs, booze, or strippers?
loser get publicly humiliated within the company in some hilariously immature and cruel way?
these things would help make it beyond your garden variety fun
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
OK, time for you to tell me what to listen to
I will listen to two (2) songs of your choice. I got a few last night from people who can’t be around wasting time at TBLA while working (suckers), so I’ve already started.
I’ll try to get everyone’s first song then on to everyone’s second song.
Here is the final playlist from last week:

Interstate Love Song and Ain't No Fun
by Michael White on Oct 19, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I thought we were supposed to pick from the list?
by Michael White on Oct 19, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay, I'll try again
Bad Religion- Sorrow
Sum 41 and Ludacris- Get back
by Michael White on Oct 19, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
One More Minute – Weird Al Yankovic
Everlong – Foo Fighters
by Eric Stephen on Oct 19, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Everlong is my favorite song of all time. Eric, were you the one who picked Common People last time?
Christ
I’m your favorite person and you already fucking forgot who I was
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Your reign as my favorite person lasted until I went to the bar, where the bartender became my favorite person ever.
The Sunk’n Norweigen – Alestorm
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 19, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Happy When It Rains – Jesus and the Mary Chain
Darlin be home Soon – Loving Spoonful
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Suspect Device – Stiff Little Fingers
Hate it Here – Wilco
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Them Crooked Vultures – Dead End Friends
Hybrid – Until Tomorrow
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by regfairfield on Oct 19, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm still not sure why Them Crooked Vultures
isn’t just called Queens of the Stoneage
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Lame.
I guess we’ll go with Blonde Redhead – Spring and by Summer Fall
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by regfairfield on Oct 19, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Am I too late?
If not, go with “TV Party” by Black Flag and “Perfect Day” by Lou Reed.
Bringing you the best punk, post-punk, and noise rock from the US/UK and beyond!
91.3FM KXCI, Wednesdays 2:30-5:00 AM (stream online at www.kxci.org)
Sweet Jane by The Velvet Underground
The Once Over Twice by X
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raining again?
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
David Freese
he just might
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 19, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I know they’re different beasts, but the NFL has gone out of their way to make sure their Championship game is played under ideal conditions, while MLB has pushed the season later and later and has to play in terrible conditions as a result. Not a good advertisement for the league.
by Josie Becker on Oct 19, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
not to mention baseball is gonna expand the playoffs again, I just imagine Bud Selig snorting some coke then yelling “they’ll play the World Series when I damn well tell them to play it!”
by Josie Becker on Oct 19, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
They get the luxury of picking the venue
Miami and New Orleans over and over again, and occasionally a domed stadium
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if they push it further towards the summer, then you get regular season games in mid-march and spring training games in February, or you eliminate off days all together and have injuries like you’ve never seen before.
Everything you said was true until this year. They have gone out of their way to make sure we don’t have Nov baseball in 2011. Comparing a one game event like the Super Bowl that is played on a neutral site to the World Series is not applicable.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
and the world series has far less hookers and expense accounts too
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
wait, we’re still in October? This fever is rocking my world
by Josie Becker on Oct 19, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Game 1 of World Series
2002: October 19
2003: October 18
2004: October 23
2005: October 22
2006: October 21
2007: October 24
2008: October 22
2009: October 28
2010: October 27
2011: October 19
Having the series start at its earliest point in nine years does not qualify as pushing the season later and later.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 19, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This year, MLB made an effort to reverse a trend that had been pushing the WS later and later. My bad.
by Josie Becker on Oct 19, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
How pissed would you be if the Dodgers made the WS but we couldn't go because it was in Hawaii
or some such place?
I realize Dodger Stadium may actually be near perfect conditions to hold the WS every year, btw, lol.
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not unless I got a free ticket
and then, happily
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely not
I would go to this year’s if I could afford it. There are very few teams that I’d want to go see in person though if my team’s not in it.
It may not work perfectly, but having the WS in the home towns of the teams in it should not be changed.
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Yes
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I was trying to get WS tickets in 2008 and 2009
If the Dodgers had made it and I wouldn’t be able to go because it was in a different state I’d have been mad not being able to see them. Of course it’s awesome no matter what if your team makes the championship game (series), but still.
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The greatest World Series of all time (1975) had three rainouts between Games 5 and 6. The result was the greatest World Series game in history.
Panties were unbunched.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 19, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
ok – I want that shit BH said about imploring chicken thighs tatted on me
and I want this too “Panties were unbunched.”
you people are awesome
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
but because of TV concerns, MLB is likely going to try and push through the rain, like they did in the Tampa-Phillies series where they had to suspend a game.
by Josie Becker on Oct 19, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
2014 Super Bowl
will be held outside in New York.
Also, NFL has had a long time policy of having this game on a “neutral” site. The two closest sites to a home team was the game between Pittsburgh and the Rams in the Rose Bowl and the Miami vs Niners game at Stanford’s field.
Also, since there is no inherent advantage outside of crowd and comfort, a football game is not impacted by the field dimensions and location, whereas a baseball team who plays 81 home games may be built in some ways for their home field.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 19, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Albeit
a dome team like the Kurt Warner led Rams and Manning Colts probably had an advantage playing in a dome.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 19, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
There are teams built for cold weather
Teams with a good running game will handle inclimate weather better for example.
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fewer and fewer teams built around the run
the league is built for the pass
rules tilted for the pass
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
absolutely
but the Jets rode the number 1 running game and a very good defense to the AFC Championship game twice in 2 years. If anyone says Sanchez I’ll punch them in the scrotum
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what if it’s a 100 pound scrotum?
http://deadspin.com/5850696/wont-you-help-the-man-with-the-100+pound-scrotum
Knowing you I thought it was bowling
I was slightly disappointed :(
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Rangers lineup
Kinsler 2B
Andrus SS
Hamilton CF
Young 1B
Beltre 3B
Cruz RF
Napoli C
Murphy LF
Wilson P
MLB won’t let Dirk Nowitzki throw out the first pitch.
Sources told ESPNDallas.com that — with the NBA in the midst of a lockout that has spanned 111 days — at least some hesitation stems from the idea that MLB executives want to stand behind their basketball counterparts and have notified the Rangers that they can’t bestow first-pitch honors on an NBA player.
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Major League Baseball insists that the NBA’s labor unrest had no impact on Nowitzki not being selected to throw out the first pitch.
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“MLB absolutely denies that any part in selecting the first ball pitcher had anything to do with the current labor situation in the NBA,” MLB spokesman Pat Courtney said. "You want the club’s input in what makes sense for them and then we talk about what makes sense for the team and a good broad-base national appeal.
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“It’s a nice problem to have that you get a list of 10 or 15 names and you work your way through them. We know Nowitzki’s been at the games, and that’s wonderful. We’re glad he’s there.”
Adam Wainwright was on that list of 15 names?
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by regfairfield on Oct 19, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Had to get a new glove after Ryan broke it in last year’s World Series.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 19, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Cardinals tonight
will have Bob Gibson, Bruce Sutter, and Adam Wainwright throw out ceremonial first (through third) pitches.
They are the pitchers who were on the mound for the last out of the Cardinals’ last four World Series titles. Harry Brecheen, who was the final Cards’ pitcher in the 9th inning of Game 7 of the 1946 World Series, their last title before 1864, died in 2004.
Would be great if he just stays on the mound and starts tonight :)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 19, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
He said he could pitch if it goes into November:)
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
2 of the three catchers involved will be in the ballpark
Tim McCarver and Yadier Molina. Unfortunately, 1982 World Series MVP, catcher Darrell Porter died in 2002 stemming from his recreational use of cocaine. He was 50.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 19, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Man
I do not remember Darrell Porter dying.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I can sort of remember it, but I thought it was a lot sooner than 2002.
Man those coke bottle glasses were gigantic.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 19, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
McCarver had a hell of a World Series in 1964. He was 11 for 23 with a double, triple, and homer, and hit .478/.552/.739.
Freesean
by Eric Stephen on Oct 19, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
There should be someone
Gibson can ceremonially knock down.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
by mleadman on Oct 19, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I nominate McCarver.
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by David Young on Oct 19, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rangers roster changes
Reliever Mark Lowe, catcher Matt Treanor in
Relievers Koji Uehara and Yoshinori Tateyama out
Rangers disrespecting the Japanese.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 19, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Good luck getting Darvish now! :)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 19, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
More chances to write
Mister Misty May.
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Eddie Mathews hit 30 home runs, nine straight times
from age 21 to age 29, after hitting 25 at age 20. That might be the closest to Pujols. Eddie was probably one of the greatest young sluggers in history with 47, 40, and 41 home runs during his age 21 – 23 seasons.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
The New York Times
has a cool article on the history of the World Series program. I love the one for the 1965 Dodgers – Twins tilt.
program = 3 gallons of gas
I wonder, bet that ratio was fairly consistent over time
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
there was a time you could get three gallons for 25 cents?
by Josie Becker on Oct 19, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Super Bowl programs, NBA Finals programs
they are all in that price range.
Way over-priced, soda at a movie theater.
soda at a movie theater = only way theaters are profitable
programs at the WS = making money off a collectable
by Josie Becker on Oct 19, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
word
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 19, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
you could just DVR the program, forward through the ads : )
by Josie Becker on Oct 19, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
no way that’s accurate, the only two lefty starters the Dodgers had that year were Roseboro and Willie Davis.
Why is Earth exempted
from the baseball planet theme? But then again, it looks like all the continents are incorrectly too low on that globe.
also, you can’t walk from America to the UK
by Josie Becker on Oct 19, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
well it also illustrates why, since the Dodgers lost their white lefthander to a tragic “stuck my bare arm out in a vacuum” accident
by Josie Becker on Oct 19, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
gallon of Gas = .18 to .25
the method doesn’t quite work
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I imagine if you were a boy back then, and your pa gave you four bits, you were as happy as a lark
by Josie Becker on Oct 19, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m now interested in buy a 1959, 1963, 1965, and 1966 World Series Program
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
you should buy the audio to Vin Scully announcing that series, then keep score in the book 56 years later.
Is that Audio available because if it is I know what our next game thread is going to be
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
iTunes has the video for Game 7, don’t know how to post a link, but it’s part of the MLB Baseball’s best series
by Josie Becker on Oct 19, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Sandy Koufax pitching on two days rest with a bum arm, I can’t wait to watch this
by Josie Becker on Oct 19, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Not the same, I kind of maintain that is the 2nd greatest pitched game in Dodger history, only second to Podres in 55. Would be great to hear the audio for the whole nine innings and not just the usual World Series Highlights.
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the video on iTunes
has Vin Scully calling the game for NBC, in black and white
by Josie Becker on Oct 19, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
The whole game, not some
idiot producer snippets?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
it’s listed as 2.5 hours, so yeah it’s the whole game
by Josie Becker on Oct 19, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
the official time of game was 2 hours 27 mins, so that includes some pregame setup where Vin shills for Gillette safety razors : )
by Josie Becker on Oct 19, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
He interviews Koufax in the dugout after the game is over. I hope that’s on there.
I think he calls the first half of the game.
Is that the same “100 years old…101” interview? I love that.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 19, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s where I bought the 1978 and 1988 Dodgers media guides, together for $5 total, including shipping.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 19, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a 1977 or 1978 World Series program sitting around somewhere
I see it whenever I am looking for something else.
60’s space age shit is cool
space age + baseball is all time
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Some of my earliest memories
are of the last Gemini launches and splashdowns, which are clearly the inspiration for that cover.
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What? He’s a software engineer working on rockets, he’s right out of NASA
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It is rocket science
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I’d say a generation saw the race to the moon and decided that was their destiny. I don’t see what would drive someone today into that field, but then my nephew at Cal Poly has decided to be a rocket engineer.
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You'd think
But I just sort of blundered into that. I wasn’t pointing straight at the aerospace industry when I got my Math/Computer Science degree, but they were hiring and local. Never discount the massive effect of blind, dumb luck on your life.
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If I was smart, I would have figured out how to get hired by Apple in 1983.
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Malcolm Gladwell is perverse and often baffling.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Oct 19, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Who you gonna believe, Malcolm Gladwell or some bitch of a jackass reporter who claims that Malcolm Gladwell made it all up and kind of proves it?
I don’t want to live in a world where that story isn’t true.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Oct 19, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Cardinals Lineup
Furcal SS
Jay CF
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Berkman RF
Freese 3B
Molina C
Punto 2B
Carpenter P
A world series championship with Punto starting at 2nd can only be accomplished and accepted because of Pujols / Holliday / Berkman.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
A little help please
So I have to come up with arguments SUPPORTING this topic for class:
“The major professional sports should stop investigating past steroid abuse and only take action on new violations of existing steroid policies.”
Should my central argument be that players like Bonds, Palmeiro, and other players in the steroid era are vilified now for the irresponsibilities with the soft steroid policy MLB had?
Yes, hate the game, not the player.
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by regfairfield on Oct 19, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus it’s not like they have vials of everyone’s blood lying around. Any past investigations you do will ultimately be a witch hunt..
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by regfairfield on Oct 19, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
The question would be what exactly is gained from uncovering past usage? They aren’t going to nullify any records. Uncovering any old usage simply casts a negative light on the sport currently. What’s done is done.
Focus on preventing current usage and policing the league now. Fuck it and move on.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 19, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck it and move on.
is always the winning debate line
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I was hoping Julio would quote me there.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 19, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the class would get a kick out of it, considering how dead people are around 7:00 p.m in college.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 19, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm finishing up my COMM minor
So this is an argumentative class.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 19, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
“Well you may never play football again, but at least you can fall back on your degree in……COMMUNICATIONS!? dear god…”
: )
by Josie Becker on Oct 19, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
callback on English being a silly degree unless your folks be rich : )
by Josie Becker on Oct 19, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
English is a great major for excelling once you get into the system
Written and verbal communication is about the most useful tool I have
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Is joke major, Anton learn NOTHING!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 19, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
beyond “soft” policy – the game (league, owners, media) had knowledge and actively looked the other way
if not encouraged, it was certainly rewarded and allowed
never blame the millionaires when billionaires are making their profits off of them
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
never blame the millionaires when billionaires are making their profits off of them
the players should be culpable for their actions, but no more then the owners for theirs.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I was missing a “just” in there
meant to write “never just blame the millionaires when billionaires are making their profits off of them”
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
is it MLB investigating past steroid abuse, or is it just congress at this point?
by Josie Becker on Oct 19, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
FTR, I want everyone to know that I bought another shirt for Michael White and it is in the mail.
I am now clear of all crap from him!
:)
The crap will stop when we have proof that Mike is in receipt of said garment.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 19, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Roger that.
And he is going to take a picture of it and post it as proof as well.
And then I will bring the shit storm of posts on prediction threads/posts due from him!
I have 2 pistols right now.
Thinking about parking an old truck out in front of my house and working on it all night with no shirt on drinking beer and smokin cigarettes.
Keep those fuckers away from fear of the “Redneck Dad”.
Obv. it's because of the weather : )
darrenrovell: Guy selling WS tickets to tonight’s game told me he started selling his $175 ticket for $600. Now down to $225, still can’t sell it.
That’s the way the boat floats.
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by regfairfield on Oct 19, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
$175
ticket is probably upper deck in the corner, as I recall Reserved Section 1 seats in 2009 for the series was $375 each.
And that’s why you don’t make fun of teams that can’t sell out playoff games.
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by regfairfield on Oct 19, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure but at 375 a pop for below average ones they can’t complain when they don’t sell all of them.
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by regfairfield on Oct 19, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Dr. Phil is
a. a dickschnozzle
b. the biggest dickschnozzle ever
c. made of mayonnaise
d. not enough information given
At first I thought this just said phil
Which I would have put A and B
:)
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He always reminds of the dude who was the father in Arrested Dvlp
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Hank Kingsley?
Hey Now
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Castle's oblique
is indeed injured.
Castellanos, a right-handed-hitting right fielder, hit a combined .320 with 23 homers and 85 RBIs in 2011 at Double-A for the two franchises. The Dodgers have considered moving him to first base.
Castellanos is expected by the club to be ready for Spring Training with no restrictions.
Typo? Donnie said 2nd.
Opening Day
C – Ellis OR FedEx
1B – Fielder
2B – Castle
SS – Gordon
3B – Uribe
LF – Sands
CF – Kemp
RF – Ethier
Not bad.
Maybe the original report of second base was the typo. Wasn’t Gurnick the source then too?
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Nah
has to be 2nd base and a type here. We also heard last fall that Sands was going to play some third. That also never happened. When Castle is actually playing second I’ll believe it.
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Has anyone here actually seen Castle in person? If so, what’s he like? Who could you compare him on a scouting level.
Hey gang
I’ve been out of commission for 24 hours or so. What have I missed here?
Other than Panty Thoughts. My opinion: I’m against them, or, rather, for their removal….
…wait, Pantry? Like the thing in your kitchen? That’s completely different.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
When I think of the U, I always think of the Canes fans who posted on my Hokie board years ago hoping to be provided with some “freaky ho’s” for a game in Blacksburg.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Oct 19, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry, probably shouldn’t have written that – was high on my gin and juice at the time
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah, you became a meme, what’s not to love?
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Oct 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Beer
in particular Oktoberfest brews.
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wow – has to feel good for both gentlemen
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
whoops
someone forgot to turn on the mic for the National Anthem
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 19, 2011 4:54 PM PDT reply actions
must ride bike home now
I am another year closer to death, baseball season is going away
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 19, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
and the song remains the same
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 19, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions

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