2011 Great Lakes Loons Minor League Season in Review
The Great Lakes Loons are the next team in my minor league season in review series. If you haven't already, check of my reviews of the Dominican Dodgers, the Arizona Dodgers, and the Ogden Raptors. Since their debut in 2007 I’ve always considered the Loons to be my favorite minor league team, so 2011 was a tough season to be a Great Lakes fan. They missed out on the playoffs by the slimmest of margins in the 1st half, and all season long they struggled mightily at the plate. Even still I had fun following the Loons again in 2011 thanks to their outstanding pitching and the fact that many of their games are broadcast on MILB.TV with a great broadcasting crew. Great Lakes also tends to keep the same core of players all season long which makes it easy to keep track of the team on a day to day basis. Overall this team had more downs than ups, so hopefully next year will see the Loons return to the playoffs.
Record: 72 - 67 (39 - 30 First Half, 33 - 37 Second Half)
Season Result: The Loons missed the playoffs for the first time since 2008, finishing tied for 2nd in the first half of the season and then stumbling to a 6th place finish in the second half
Season Recap: Great Lakes wasn't a great baseball team in 2011, but they fought hard all season long and finished the year with a winning record. To say they barely missed the playoffs is an understatement because when the first half came to a close, they actually were tied with the Lansing Lugnuts for 2nd place in the Eastern Division because both clubs were 1.5 games out of 1st place. However the Lugnuts were awarded the playoff spot because their winning % was .567 compared to the Loons winning % of .565. This was due to the fact that the Lugnuts played two fewer games than the Loons thanks to a few rainouts, so they had one less win and one fewer loss which led to the higher %. Great Lakes started the second half on a 3-game losing streak and never really recovered as they didn't compete for a 2nd half playoff spot.
In terms of team stats, the Loons were definitely led by their pitching which ranked 3rd in the Midwest League (out of 16 teams) with a 3.62 ERA. The team's WHIP and strikeout numbers also placed in the top half of the league. In addition, the bullpen did good work as Great Lakes lead the league with 48 saves. Team hitting, on the other hand, was a little ugly as the club's .240 batting average was the 3rd worst in the league. Their overall OPS of .685 was also in the lower tier of the circuit, as was their 87 stolen bases. Surprisingly, the Loons crushed 102 homers for the season which was the 2nd best in the entire Midwest League.
Offensive MVP: It’s extremely unusual for me to give this award to someone who played in less than half of his team’s games, but I seem forced to give his award to big Chris Jacobs. The oft-injured 1st baseman continued his tradition of spending time on the DL with a variety of disabilities throughout the season, but when he was healthy he showed that he is a force to be reckoned with. Jacobs pounded out 12 homers in just 65 games and had an average of .288. In addition, nobody on the team was within 115 points of his .914 OPS and his OB% was almost .400. At just 22 years old, Chris can sill make a name for himself even though 2012 will be his 6th professional season. I can see him doing some major damage for the Quakes next season if he can stay healthy.
Best Offensive Prospect: Jonathan Garcia is winning this award despite a couple of ugly stats and his hot and cold season. The good news is that Garcia tore out of the gate with 7 April homers and ended up leading the club by a sizable margin with 19 big flies for the year. However a further look at his season tells a different story. Jonathan ended the season with a .228 average and an OPS of just .710 while striking out in 25.9% of his plate appearances. That being said, Garcia played the entire year as a teenager and definitely showed off his power potential so he has the highest ceiling of any player on the Loons. Even if he moves one level at a time, he’ll reach AAA by the time he is 22. He plays a solid outfield and I think he should still be considered one of the top Dodger offensive prospects.
Pitching MVP: Garrett Gould was the Loons best pitcher in 2011, leading the club in several categories and ranking 2nd in the entire league with his 2.40 ERA. He paced the team with 123.2 innings and collected 11 wins despite being limited to just 16 innings in his final 6 appearances in an effort to save his young arm. After posting average stats while with the Raptors in 2010, Gould showed why he was considered one of the best high school arms in the 2009 draft and continued to impress with his 12-to-6 curveball. He also displayed good command of his sinking fastball which sat in the low 90's for most of the season.
Best Pitching Prospect: As most people know I still have Zach Lee tabbed as the Dodgers top overall prospect, so of course he is my pick for the best pitching prospect for the Loons. Lee didn’t blow away the competition in 2011, but he did have a very solid professional debut for a 19 year old and ended up winning 9 games for Great Lakes with a 3.47 ERA. There were times when I wished he strike out more batters or issue less walks, but overall I was very impressed when watching his starts online. I’m not sure what the Dodgers’ plans are for Lee in terms of his 2012 pitching destination, but a jump AA is definitely something that will be considered.
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Other Notable Players and Prospects: Before I get into the position by position breakdown, I wanted to highlight a few more players on the team who either had a great season and/or have the potential to turn into a legitimate Dodger prospect. This way, the more notable players don't get lost in all the detail below.
Leon Landry – OF – After an explosive professional debut in 2010, Landry struggled through his sophomore season and was one of the Loon's most disappointing players. Even though the 22 year old ended the year by hitting .321 in August and led the league in triples, his overall season stats were below average as he posted a .309 OB% and a .667 OPS. He should still be considered a decent Dodger prospect as he has plenty of time to rebound, but he's definitely lost some fanfare.
Michael Pericht – C – The big backstop didn't have an overly impressive season, but he was solid for most of the year which earned him a late promotion to the California League. Pericht, who is 23 years old, hit 11 home runs for the Loons and had an OPS of almost .800. His blocking skills behind the plate still need some work, but he threw out 32% of would be base-stealers and is someone who could have a breakout campaign next year with the Quakes.
Nick Akins – OF – After crushing the ball in rookie leagues during his first two professional seasons, Akins found the Midwest League to be much more challenging as he struggled to a .219 average with the Loons. While he still hit 12 homers, his OPS decreased by more than .400 points from 2010. The 23 year old also missed some time due to a wrist injury so was limited to just 85 games.
Bobby Coyle – OF – Coyle's season with the Loons was mediocre at best, but I've seen his swing and he does have the ability to generate quite a bit of power from the left side of the plate. He hit a few deep homers this past season, and also makes good contact as he struck out in just 16.3% of plate appearances. The 22 year old only has one full season under his belt, but I can see him breaking out next season with the Quakes now that he has an additional year of experience.
Angel Sanchez – RHP – The 21 year old Sanchez created a lot of buzz this season, and rightly so because the Dominican right hander actually made his professional debut in the Midwest League this season and had a very successful campaign. Sanchez joined the team in May, and went on to post a 2.82 ERA over 99 innings with a WHIP of 1.12. His most impressive stat, however, was that opposing batters hit just .198 against him. Overall I really like Angel and think he has helium, but I don't think I'm ready to anoint him a top 10 Dodger prospect as some people have already suggested.
Shawn Tollenson – RHP – Some people may have already forgotten but Tolleson actually started his storybook season with the Loons. Shawn only threw 15 innings in Great Lakes before his promotion, but those were probably the best 15 innings anyone has ever thrown in the Midwest League. The 23 year old got 33 of his 45 outs via a strikeout, picked up 10 saves, didn't allow an earned run, and had a FIP of negative 0.40. Not bad for a 30th round pick.
Logan Bawcom – RHP – Bawcom started the year as Tolleson's setup man, then took over the closer role when Shawn was promoted. The soon to be 23 year wasn't as good as Tolleson, but he was very impressive in his own right as he posted a 2.78 ERA, a 1.08 WHIP, a 11.1 K/9, and picked up 14 saves of his own. Bawcom was promoted to the California League in mid July and continued to thrive with 13 more saves in just 21.2 innings.
Red Patterson – RHP – The 24 year old Patterson was the Loon's workhorse for the first half of the season and used his experience to succeed against the younger competition. He recorded a 2.94 FIP over 81.1 frames and struck out almost a batter per inning. He was another player who was promoted to the Quakes mid season, and after a successful run in the California League he is forcing scouts to take a closer look at him despite his age and limited draft pedigree (he was a 29th round pick in 2010).
Position by Position Breakdown (player's age in parenthesis):
Catcher: Michael Pericht (23) was the Loon's primary backstop, which is good news given that many thought he would eventually end up at 1st base due to his massive frame. His offensive performance was great for a catcher (11 HR's, .795 OPS), and although his defense remains a work in progress he threw out almost a third of base-stealers. Steve Domecus (24) missed some time early in the season due to injury, but for most of the year he the backup catcher for Great Lakes. He got off to a hot start and was hitting .349 at the All Star Break with a .978 OPS, but then struggled to the finish line and ended the year with a .276 average. After he was drafted most scouts didn't think he would stay behind the plate as a pro, and given that he only threw out 16% of base-stealers a move to the outfield (where he spent some time in college) might be required.
1st Base: Despite a disappointing season, the Loons stuck with Blake Dean (23) as their main 1st baseman throughout the season. A .237 average and .657 OPS just don't play at the power position of 1st base, but Great Lakes just didn't have many other options. The only positive of Dean's season was that kept up his strong walk to strikeout ratio. Chris Jacobs (22) also spent a decent amount of time at 1st base, but he as mentioned above he was injured for a chunk of the season and also was used quite a bit at DH. Jacob's numbers were much more reminiscent of a typical 1st baseman as he showed good power in his abbreviated season.
2nd Base: The speedy Casio Grider (24) got a chance to play everyday at 2nd base, and despite stealing a team high 31 bases he didn't provide much offense as he hit just .230 for the year. From what I've heard he's an exciting player to watch and will make the occasional spectacular play on defense, but overall he tends to make too many errors. At 24 years old he's going to have to show some offensive spark soon or risk getting released. David Iden (24) found himself on the Loons after Christan Lara went down with a broken ankle, and he managed to one up Grider in terms of his offensive performance with a .211 average and a .542 OPS. I'm not sure he'll be back in the system next year.
Shortstop: Shortstop was a bit of a revolving door for the Loons, with four different players appearing in double digit games at the position. Christian Lara (26) began the year as the starter, but broke his ankle in early July which ended his season. The minor league veteran was much too old for the Midwest League anyways. Bryant Hernandez (23), who also played some 2nd base, was one of Lara's replacements but he was terrible at the plate and hit just .185 over 58 games. Charlie Mirabal (24) also filled in a bit up the middle but was yet another offensive player who didn't have much success. Lastly, the aforementioned Casio Grider spent a little time at shortstop but had a .851 fielding % so he seems much better suited for 2nd base.
3rd Base: Jessie Bosnik (23) rounded out the Loons light-hitting infield by batting just .232 as the team's main 3rd baseman. The 2010 13th round pick got off to an ice cold start, and only a good month of July (during which he clubbed 5 homers) kept his season from being completely dreadful. Chris Henderson (23), who also played a bit of 1st base, was the backup 3rd baseman and like many of his infield buddies he struggled mightily at the plate. Henderson never hit better than .250 in any month, and ended the year with an ugly .573 OPS.
Outfield: On paper the Loons outfield looked like it would be an offensive powerhouse, but instead as a whole the group hit a combined .235. As mentioned above Jonathan Garcia (19) provided some excitement with his 19 homers, but even those came in spurts which resulted in long streaks of mediocrity. He also ended the season in a terrible slump which could have been due to fatigue as he played almost every day in right field (where he recorded 12 outfield assists). Leon Landry (22) was the everyday center fielder and played solid defense, but his offensive output was well below expectations. As discussed above his OB% was just .307, and he was caught in 12 of his 40 stolen base attempts. Playing time in left field was less consistent as 5 players spent at least 10 games in the position. Nick Akins (23) and Bobby Coyle (22) were the two main left fielders and they both struggled at the plate despite showing some decent power. Akins socked 12 homers in 85 games but hit just .219 for the season, while Coyle took 9 deep with a .671 OPS. The other three left fielders for the Loons, albeit in limited action, were Roman Pena (25), who was later loaned to the Mexican League, Preston Mattingly (24), who was resigned after getting cut by the Indians but continues to be terrible, and Joc Pederson (19), who hit just .160 in 16 games but then went on to destroy the Pioneer League.
Starting Pitchers: Seven pitchers started at least 10 games for the Loons, led by Garrett Gould (20) and Zach Lee (20) who each made a team high 24 starts. Both Gould and Lee were discussed at length above, so we'll move on to Ryan Christenson (22) who ranked second on the club with 119.1 innings pitched. The left hander had somewhat of a disappointing season as he posted an ERA of 5.05 and allowed opposing batters to hit .300 against him. He did a good job of keeping the ball in the park and showed good control, however, which resulted in a much more favorable FIP of 3.29. Angel Sanchez (21) made 16 starts and as mentioned above he has a surprisingly good season. Sanchez won 8 games and had and ERA of 2.82, but his FIP was 3.46 which shows he might have been a bit lucky. Red Patterson (24) used his age and experience to put together a solid campaign for the Loons before getting promoted to HiA after 14 starts. Patterson's 2.94 FIP was best on the team among starters and he also led with his 3.95 K/BB ratio. Greg Wilborn (24) started the season with the Quakes, but a 6.85 ERA led to a demotion and he basically switched places with Patterson when Red was promoted. Wilborn was much better in Great Lakes and posted an outstanding K/9 of 12.4, but he was also pretty wild. Overall he had a 3.74 ERA over 65 innings. Finally Tim Sexton (24) started and ended the year in Great Lakes, but sandwiched in between was an ugly stint in AAA. His time with the Loons was relatively decent, however, as he recorded a 4.18 ERA and a 3.34 FIP.
Relief Pitchers: The Loons' bullpen was one of the team's strong points as six of the team's primary relievers had an ERA under 3.00. The closer role in particular a great deal of success, starting with Shawn Tolleson (23) who mowed down the competition like no other before his promotion. Logan Bawcom (22) then stepped into the closer role and also thrived to the tune of a 2.42 FIP, a 1.08 WHIP, and a K/9 of 11.1. This earned Bawcom a promotion of his own, leaving the job to 2011 5th round pick Scott McGough (21). McGough continued the trend of shutting down the competition, although an usually aggressive workload late in the year tainted his otherwise outstanding season. Even with the hiccup at the end of the year Scott finished with a 2.21 ERA, a 11.1 K/9, and 8 saves. Bret Montgomery (26) and Pete Budkevics (24) also held important positions within the Great Lakes' bullpen as both players were using in long relief and in late game situations. They lead the bullpen arms with 90 IP and 85 IP respectively, and both had a decent amount of success. Montgomery had a 7 - 1 record and his 2.09 FIP was tops on the team outside of Tolleson. Budkevics' ERA was a solid 3.39, and he even stepped into the closer role for a bit and picked up 5 saves. Raul Burgos (24), Andrew Pevsner (23), and Ryan Acosta (22) were all middle relievers who did their job for the most part but didn't get much fanfare. Acosta was the best of the bunch with his 2.85 ERA, but he's already been released by 3 different organizations and had a K/9 of just 5.5 so he's probably not much of a prospect. Finally, the hard throwing Juan Rodriguez (22) joined the team as part of the Trayvon Robinson trade, and he showed very good stuff in his 17 innings with the Loons. He still needs to improve his control, but he makes for a very intriguing prospect and posted a 1.59 ERA with a 10.6 K/9 and a 0.94 WHIP. He's raw, but could end up being a key piece of the deal.
League Leaders:
| Midwest League Hitters | |||
| Category | Player | Rank | Amount |
| Triples | Leon Landry | Tied 1st | 11 |
| Triples | Casio Grider | 3rd | 10 |
| Home Runs | Jonathan Garcia | Tied 7th | 19 |
| Midwest League Pitchers | |||
| Category | Player | Rank | Amount |
| ERA | Garrett Gould | 2nd | 2.40 |
| Saves | Logan Bawcom | Tied 7th | 14 |
| WHIP | Garrett Gould | 5th | 1.12 |
| Holds | Bret Montgomery | Tied 3rd | 12 |
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this is a tough one
if we were lacking in pitching prospects in the upper minors I could see both Gould and Lee going to AA, but given that we’ll probably have Webster, Withrow, Magill, Jon Michael Redding, and possibly a few others in AA then I can’t see that happening. My best guess is that Lee will actually go to AA and that Gould will go to the Cal League, but I could be wrong
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 25, 2011 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d bet they both end up in Rancho in 2012. Don’t see anyone skipping a level.
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I expect ZLee to start in Rancho, with the expectation/hope that they can promote him midseason. They’ll probably be a little more conservative with Gould.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Jacobs
It would be interesting to see what he is capable of during an injury free season.
Great work Brandon, as always!
great stuff Brandon
Do you think Garcia might start the year in Rancho?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 8:15 AM PDT reply actions
thanks
I do think that Garcia will start in Rancho. He’s def young enough to repeat in the Midwest League, but since the Dodgers consider LoA and HiA similar levels anyways I he’ll go to the Cal League
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 25, 2011 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Especially because of the outfielders coming up behind him. They don’t really have room to let him repeat and none of the Raptors are old enough skip a level.
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that's true
move him up and let Joc get another try at LoA. Maybe Baldwin too.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Our minor league bullpen continues to scintillate.
Tolleson
Bawcom
McGough
Hard for me to be disappointed in what the 19 year old Garcia did in this league. Pederson was the same age and totally failed, yet everyone is high on him because he was dropped a level and destroyed. What do they think Garcia would have done if he had been allowed to repeat that level?
Sands failed in the MWL his first go round as a 21 before being allowed to find himself in the rookie league and bouncing back later in the year to have success.
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They should just intermittently demote him and re-promote. By his third or fourth callup, he’ll be Albert Pujols.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
He’d be about as good at shortstop.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Brandon,
Great job. How are Gould and Lee different stuff wise? I love that we have this much potential pitching depth in the low minors.
Surely we can pull a couple of guys out of this to be big league regulars. Good job sir.
Lee is a more polished pitcher for sure
which is why i think he can possibly handle AA next year. Lee also already had a plus changeup and a very good breaking pitch to go along with his low to mid 90’s fastball and a strong cutter. His control is also a touch better than Gould’s and will get better with experience
Gould on the other hand has an outstanding curveball which is how he got most of his outs along with a fastball that is similar to Lee’s in terms of velocity, but has more sink. His changeup isn’t quite there yet but could be a servicable pitch in the future.
overall I think Lee has the ceiling of a potential #1 or #2 starter in the big leagues, while Gould’s ceiling is more of a #2 or #3
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 25, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
If he can do what Vance Worley did then he might be able to claim that.
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He might sock it to you.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
by Nolij on Oct 25, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you guys not pay attention to half the things talked about when it comes to pitchers in here?
haha
TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion
Not when there are 17 different pitching metrics..
This guys FIP is great, but his ERA+ sucks, adnd his x-FIP is lame, but his tERA is awesome.
Who gives a fuck
Clearly not a forward thinking individual such as yourself :P
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Everytime someone on here says a pitcher is good because of ______stat, do we not get like 7 people bring up another stat to tells how he really sucks.
so I don’t care to follow those stats.
I don’t see why it is so hard to keep track of these things.
ERA – what they actually do
ERA+-what they actually did measured against their peers
FIP – First in Pool
xFIP- special needs, First in Pool
Siera – where the water comes from
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I know what this shit means, but it gets boring and tiresome and not always so enlightening
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Gagne did it for a full season.
IF your strikeouts outweight your walks and HRs by enough, it’ll turn out negative
(3BB + (-2K) + 13HR) is the ration, i believe.
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Oct 25, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
If
that number is less than -3.2 or w/e the offset is for that year, boom! you broke the fip barrier.
Brandon could you remind us again how BA rated us in the MWL. How many made top 20 and where.
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Only two Loons made the BA top 20 List for the Midwest League
Lee came in at #7 and Gould was ranked #17
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 25, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Lee
Was No. 7 and Gould was 17th. With 16 teams in the league, 2 in the top 20 isn’t bad, only team with 3 players was the Padres ?
Rancho rotation – Reed, Lee, Gould, Sanchez
Maybe they leave someone with the Loons otherwise that will be a dismal rotation in Michigan.
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Call up guys from the dominican league team to start there I guess.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Could be I’m underselling some of the Raptor pitching.
Gomez, Cone, Martinez, Garcia, maybe O’Sullivan.
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Sexton is gone. Some of these guys are going to be traded in minor deals.
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Color blind?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Rubby
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Eovaldi
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Lee
Reed
Gould
Webster
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Withrow
Sanchez
A Miller
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Antonini
Fife
MaGill
Ozoria
Patterson
Santiago
Ryan Christianson
Greg Wilborn
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Derek Cone
Brandon Martinez
Gustavo Gomez
Ryan O’Sullivan
Yimi Garcia
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I didn’t realize he was a Antonini fan
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 25, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Fife is at least intriguing
AFL he has high K high BB. Hard to develop Ks, hard to limit BBs quickly, but between the two, trying to limit BB is WAY easier than trying to grow your K abilities.
Odds are that no one from the group will amount to a hill of beans as a starter, but because it is baseball, some bloke will surprise.
or not
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Vanilla version
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Not a hierarchical listing, just a group listing. I put Reed in the that group.
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i think Cash may quit baseball and become a motivational speaker
based on his daily facebook status updates
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 25, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
The difference between not having Rubby in the rotation in 2012 and having him is vexing.
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for sure
if he was coming back, would we even be concerned about whether or not Kuroda would return? I love Hiro, but having a rotation of Kershaw, Billz, Rubby, and Lilly, Kuroda would be a luxury rather than a necessity.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
For me it is
If we had him then I’d want Kuroda even more because I think we’d have a strong team, without him I’m not sure having Kuroda would matter.
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hmmmmm
you make an interesting point indeed sir.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s a disaster. I feel much differently with Rubby entering next year.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
To me everything depends on where we go in free agency when it comes to pitchers. I know that might sound like a no brainer thing to say, but what I mean is I’d like to see the Dodgers toss an incentive laden deal at a guy like Rich Harden (maybe not exactly him because I’m not sure he can stay healthy for longer than a week) instea of going with some NRI’s to try and fill the 5th spot.
It’s funny, I feel like we’ve been saying “toss Rich Harden an incentive laden deal” for the past 3 years now.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
We have been
Bedard to.
Maybe Ben Sheets is ready to come back:)
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I don’t think we will wish for Brandon Webb this year.
Kind of amazing how the Rangers lost Cliff Lee, totally wasted money on Brandon Webb yet, are one game away from a World Championship.
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Verdell saw the Dodger decrease in season tickets prices and asked me if that would bring back the Dodger fans. I said I’m not sure, the McCourt factor is still large. Her reply “what is wrong with people, get over it and support the players, it is not like he’s Rupert Murdoch”
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good woman
there is evil and then there is SATAN
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
At least Rupe had the good sense to stay the hell away from the team and not pretend to care.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
at least the Frank regime did not trade Mike Fucking Piazza for a surly and menacing left fielder
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Do you think Murdoch was consulted in the Piazza trade?
Do you think Piazza thinks Murdoch was consulted in his trade?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I think Murdoch put his people in charge of the team and they are the ones who played the biggest role in it. Does it matter if it’s the owner himself or if it’s the owners right hand men?
and he probably was, considering an unnamed consideration in the trade was broadcasting rights for the Marlins
the trade was also done without the GM even knowing it
so either directly or indirectly, the sin of Piazza far outweighs anything Frank has done
now if he trades Kemp or Kershaw for a parking lot somewhere, well then all bets are off
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
This reminds me of a story I saw the other day about how hands on Murdoch is with his media empire. If he is that type of person then I doubt he would have kept his hands off the Dodgers and let his men do all the work.
Either way, if it was him or if it was his people, it was still something done by people who had no business getting involved in the baseball operations. I blame Murdoch no matter what.
Do you think Rupert Murdoch knows, even today, who Mike Piazza is?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, as I said above he is a hands on type of guy when it comes to his businesses so I’m guessing he would have known what was going on.
He might not remember Piazza now.
Rupert Murdoch is about to post:
Pizza? No, I don’t want a pizza. Sorry, I’m having trouble understanding you, over this hacked phone line."
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
And my apologies for the disruptions on the line between the Cardinals dugout and bullpen last night.
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by David Young on Oct 25, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
No
My guess is he has to be reminded who Chernin and Carey are. He may try to be hands-on with his newspapers because he holds on to them with a Kane-like tenacity, but I’d be willing to bet he has no idea about baseball.
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Jeffrey Berkowitz and Susan Simons will be representing Dodgers season ticket holders on the creditor committee. – Shaikin.
Wait, the berkowitz who posts here? :)
amazing number of successful Jeffrey Berkowitz’s in the world.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
“I’m not Jeffrey Berkowitz! I’m The Dude, man!”
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
anyone know if Uribe is playing Winter Ball
because he should be.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 9:32 AM PDT reply actions
not like he's Raffy
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure that he’s gonna be the celebrity on Man vs Food coming up soon.
He’s gonna eat an entire cow on an episode.
:)
here is the best site for winter league stats
disappointing display for our hitters so far
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 25, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
off day
for a series that while good is still a who-fuckin-cares series
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
but really good to watch, like I am loving it good
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
can't wait for tomorrow night
you can come over to watch if you want. we are having carbs for dinner.
i was thinking about raviolis
stuffed with cheese and potato. served over a bed of white rice with a 6 cheese sauce.
by delias man on Oct 25, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
that doesn't even make sense
but I would totaly eat it
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I’m going to have to consult my physician first.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
still kinda early too
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Dylan Hernandez
#Dodgers to bankruptcy judge: Six more months, please lat.ms/vkmstM
Dylan Hernandez
Bill Shaikin: MLB accuses Frank McCourt of ‘looting’ $189 million from #Dodgers lat.ms/rRN8oe
A couple stories to help you through this boring morning.
I liked this footnote
On the other hand, if we’re a free safety on the opposing team, Tebow’s throwing motion might make us suspect that there is a God after all
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Theo Epstein press conference
As a first step with the Cubs managerial situation, Epstein intends to meet with Mike Quade in person over the next week. Epstein also intends to “take a creative look at the big league team.”
Uh-oh.
Aramis for Youk
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
BTW, I’ll be up at Autzen watching your alma mater hang 90 on WSU this Saturday.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Sweet
My dream/nightmare scenario (which requires a very difficult defeat of Stanford at Stanford) is that LSU and Ducks win out, Clemson/Oklahoma St./Kansas St. lose, and Boise St. finishes #2 in the BCS. Houston can GFT (no offense).
I read an article linked on Twitter this morning which charted the path for Oregon State (currently 2-5) to get to the Rose Bowl. All they need to do is win out (which includes wins against Oregon and Stanford), Oregon to beat Stanford and then lose to USC or Cal.
WGT.
An a slightly more serious topic, I can’t wait for SEC fans to start clamoring for an LSU/Alabama rematch in the national championship game. Frigthening thing is they might get their way.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Or Boise. I do take comfort in the fact that people simply don’t want to see rematches, so neither LSU/Oregon rematch or LSU/Alabama. But apparently people don’t want to see Boise in the Championship Game either so I don’t know what the actual outrcy would be for in that scenario.
Rest assured, Clemson and K State have basically no shot at winning out. I doubt OK state does either.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Boise State is going undefeated. The Mountain West is really weak this year, with Utah and BYU leaving and TCU having a down year.
I heard TCU is starting to round into shape. But ya, I’m sure you’re right.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
TCU just destroyed UNM (New Mexico as people outside New Mexico call it) 69-0. Which is less impressive when you realize that UNM has allowed 40+ points in all but one game this season and is now 0-7.
Ha. I saw they crushed UNM, didn’t realize UNM was that terrible.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Worst in the country!
Sad thing was, UNM was a pretty acceptable mid-major program just a few years ago. Would win 7 or 8 games a year, go to some crappy bowl game. Always beat New Mexico State, once in a while pulled an upset against Utah or BYU.
Now its just brutal. Fired the coach but who knows how long it will take UNM to get back to respectability.
Boise St. in the Nat’l Championship would be a travesty and a mockery of the sport of college football
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
no, basketball is different and Butler would be a fine champion
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
no, basketball is different and Butler would be a fine champion
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
The BCS is already a travesty and mockery on a scale that one team being in one title game cannot compare to.
Seriously. It’s not like there’s some 90 year history and tradition associated with the NCS game. It was created in the 90s as a cash grab so who gives a shit if it’s a school like Oklahoma in the game or Boise State?
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
It's a travesty! It's a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Abortion
This conversation will go more smoothly
by Eric Stephen on Oct 25, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I have learned to just Z over any post by Josie that mentions college football. I know sooner or later she will bash Boise State and I’ll start to argue.
No more!
kicking the habit
good job sir
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I think we gotta help Theo out
with some “creative,” out-of-the-box ideas for helping the Cubs. I’ll go first:
Do the Cubs really need a pitcher? I mean, who ever said you had to have a pitcher? Just give the ball to the batter and have him toss it up in the air and hit it, like an eight-year-old does in his backyard.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Hitting it to right is an out.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
every second Thursday of the month it is run the bases backward day
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
If a fan tosses a home run ball back onto the field, the batter-runner must return to first base and chug a beer.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Can I make a request? Can the player who hit the home run have the option of throwing the ball back at the fan?
Hm. Perhaps this needs to be taken to another level. Any time a player hits a home run and the fan who catches it throws it back onto the field, play is suspended while the grounds crew wheels out the octagon……
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
If that fan throws the home run ball all the way to the catcher
he get’s a major league contract.
/Rowengarder’d
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Been done. Not original enough for Theo.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
From this day on
the official language of the Cubs will be Swedish.
ln addition to that, all players will be required to change their underwear
every half hour. Underwear will be worn on the outside so we can check.
Furthermore, all players’ children under 16 years old are now 16 years old.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
They’re acquiring The Owl?
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by David Young on Oct 25, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
another reason to like Humma – correct use of the often neglected phrase “batter-runner”
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
……not really
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
have more success in Philly
where they still remember ECW
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
DARRELL HAS DONE IT AGAIN!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
do the upton brothers have any additional siblings?
It almost seems like their parents should have more kids just as a service to the country.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I think they have a brother Cooper Upton
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
they had an Uncle named Sinclair, but all he did was whistle all day
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
His walk-up music would be Welcome to the Jungle.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Whenever he struck out, they’d say, “Pack it up, meat.”
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d say the valley born and raised Cassel family is pretty successful too… wonder what those parents were eating…. the oldest Jack was a star at Kennedy, reached the bigs but nothing big time…. Matt Cassel was an idol at Chatsworth high, dating a Hilfiger model through most of HS, didnt do much at SC, but is now starting QB for Cheifs… he might of made the MLB had he chosen baseball he was really good in that too, was on the 94 US LL Championship team from Northridge….. and Justin Cassel was a baller too, not sure what happened with him in White Sox org though. Sister is a good athlete too and very good looking. Very talented family.
by uschris0304 on Oct 25, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
The Tuiasasopo family had (at least) three Pac All-Conference performers in three different sports — Marques (football), Matt (Baseball) and I don’t remember the sister’s name but she was a beast in volleyball. Plus Zach played in the NFL too, and Manu, the dad, played in the NFL also.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
None of this comes close to having two brothers playing major league baseball successfully before the age of 20.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
How so, his brother was a failed major league baseball player, his sister dominated a league that no one cares about, and he had dumbo ears.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I tend to agree with the philistine here
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Big Whoop
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
and by league we are only talking college since she couldn’t even go Lisa Leslie in a professional way.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
these guys have nothing on the uptons
cassel is a really mediocre QB at the NFL level.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
The Bells!
The DiMaggios!
The Matthews!
The Alous!
ok, I am tired of this
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
The Bonds’
Babe Ruth would have the most successful sports family ever based simply on his merits, but he had no family.
The Robinsons.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
JAckie and Mack hakes for a HoF and a gold medalist. The Millers have 2 HoFers plus a big leaguer. All these other families are weak in comparison.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
You keep throwing around HOF like it means something. Christ, she was a collegiate baller, can we at least deal with Professional athletes.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
The Boones?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Siblings
is what got this started.
Historical- Dimaggio’s
Present – Upton’s
Is there really any debate?
Why yes, because right now it is all projection for the Uptons
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes. Joe was very good. Dom was good. Vince was meh.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I would say Giambis, but the Moneyball movie taught me that Jeremy Giambi liked to dance after wins.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Should have electric slid into home plate against the Yankees.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 25, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Paul.
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by David Young on Oct 25, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I confuse the Perry’s and the Niekro’s all the time
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
What happened to the search function?
It seems something has changed and now you can only search back to July or something. What happened?
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I don’t get it. I’ve killed dozens of people but the search function still worked.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
murder most foul?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Fuckin Murdoch and his hands-on philosophy
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
So I'm looking
at this shirt on ebay. It’s from the 70s, official MLB licence, ringer shirt with the team logo on front and it comes with iron on numbers and letters so you can customize the back. Anyone here had one of those?
I know that those shirts with your name on it were popular for awhile, cause the “don’t get kidnapped” video I watched in school told you not to wear them : )
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
ringer, like when the t has a collar ring of a different color, and usually the sleeve ends too
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I haven’t but I’m going to answer yes while eating lunch at an Olive Garden eating fake Italian food that tastes just fine as it nestles in my tummy.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Now I know where the word Philistine comes from
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
The cool thing to buy
towards the end of the 70s were Starter jackets. I remember when there were stores that just had the jackets with the sports team logos.
They were not inexpensive, close to $100, hard to remember exactly.
This is my way of saying I have no idea of what this shirt looks like but I am fairly sure I did not have one nor wanted one.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 25, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
but we agree on my usage of
Philistine
Correct?
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
that has to be a giveaway with the Bob’s Big Boy on it
right?
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
sure, with Big Boy and MLB both being a nat’l brands and all, I figure this probably wasn’t just a regional thing
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
reminds me of an Andy Borowitz tweet the other day
BorowitzReport:
Watching cable news because you want to be informed is like going to Olive Garden because you want to live in Italy.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
When you RT’d that, I was like, “Does Andy Borowitz follow TBLA?”
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Like those guys we always see in the flashback vids of Valenzuela?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
high waisted jeans were the rage then
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
the one I saw wasn’t a softball shirt, but yeah, definitely the same concept. That’s not the original kissing banding though, is it?
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
that isn’t a softball shirt
those are sleeves
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
There is a specific picture I can see in my mind of a female fan wearing a softball style shirt with blue collar and blue sleeves with Valenzuela on the back, but I have not yet found the right combo for Google to find.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 25, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
nope Morganna touched you long before she touched you
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Eric didn’t tell her Stephen was his last name.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
with all the money Brett made
you’d think he’d get that gap in his teeth fixed
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Better for shooting seeds through.
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I saw a lot you might like, a USC letterman sweater from the 1940s. You could wear it and smoke a pipe!
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d rather go to Disneyland than wear that.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 25, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Given their achievements
The best siblings in professional sports in the last 50 years would be Venus and Serena Williams and really no one else comes close.
I’m waiting for you to bring up the Klitschkos
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, but isn’t Tennis really more of a game than a sport?
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
still 20 major titles between them. That’s impressive
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
then they’d still have five years worth of titles
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, but they got to play against girls….
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
soccer is a match, american football is a game
cricket is a match, baseball is a game
there may be a pattern here
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I say we get the Williams sisters vs. the Emmanuel brothers in a cage match.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I hate hockey
but the Howes were a good family. And Steve was a pretty good Dodger
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
yeah, I followed Hockey for about 10 minutes when I was in 8th grade, the NY Islanders had some really good brothers then too
Trottier or something like that
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Going far enough back, no one in hockey compares with Maurice and Henri Richard (the Rocket and the Pocket). Montreal Canadiens from the 50’s and 60s.
Together they were the Pocket Rocket, obviously.
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They’re not.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Doubles tennis doesn’t count as a sport any more than lacrosse. There may be really good lacrosse siblings, but who gives a crap?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Because pro "tennis’’ to most of the world means “singles tennis.” The Bryans were only so-so at singles even in college.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Yeah, and you can just say that Baseball > Tennis and that means that Greg/Mike Maddux or Joe/Frank Torre etc… > Serena/Venus Williams. If you are going to go down to tennis, mind as well go down to doubles. And btw one of the Bryan twins won the NCAA singles championship. So part of your statement is blatantly wrong. zing!
by Xeifrank on Oct 25, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is there a list of what cities or areas have produced the most pro players?? I got money on the San Fernando Valley is top 5 in the USA haha
by uschris0304 on Oct 25, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Slight problem, San Fernando Valley is not a city.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
yes I know, I said city or area haha,… its gray area I know.
by uschris0304 on Oct 25, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I grew up in Granada Hills, it was hazy and brown more than gray
City status and boundaries are in practice quite black and white.
But I get you, yeah big suburban population with access to good weather and some wealth = lots of jocks
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHA
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
bwaaaaa ha ha
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Hrm.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
BOOO!
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Not the last 50 years
but the Waner brothers are both in the HOF, even if one doesn’t exactly deserve it.
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I believe there were also multiple Delahantys that were talented ballplayers. There may be debate as to the best brothers in baseball history, but there is no debate about the best Brouthers.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
IBB
I see that Rob Neyer wrote an article today ripping in to the use of the intentional walk in baseball.
Intentional walks subvert the very essence of not only baseball, but professional sports in general, the object of which is to pit the athletic and intellectual talents of one player against another. Sure, managers and coaches might offer suggestions and orders, but it’s still up to the players to execute. Not with the intentional walk, though. Baseball might be the only game in which a coach may elect, almost any time he likes, to completely avoid the other team’s best player. And boy, isn’t that a lot of fun.
And to top it off Tangotiger, the blogger who wishes every sport was more like hockey and that every country was more like Canada, has a blog entry up brainstorming possible rule changes such that teams will be penalized for issuing IBB and four pitch walks.
So far, my preference is to start the next batter at 2-0. It is the least intrusive, least disruptive. (And, I’d make the 2-0 count also apply for the mid-inning relief change, but that’s another thread.)
Seems like a soapbox to me.
Yawn. Just like the people who whine about taking a knee in football.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Rob Neyer
could have been Joe Morgan back when Bonds was getting all of those walks.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 25, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
And as Grant points out in his article on that site, the IBB of Pujols was stupid (even though it happened to work) with Holliday and Berkman hitting behind him.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I am not a fan of the practice of intentional walk, but there is a penalty to it so I see no problem if a manager wants to be dumb, let him be dumb.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 25, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Right. One need not increase the penalty of a walk just because it comes on four straight pitches out of the zone.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Yuppity Yup
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
There are so many anti-IBB articles out there nowadays. Personally, I find it to be a very defendable practice (in certain circumstances). Why are people so opposed to managerial strategy?
by court168627 on Oct 25, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
because it is boring. no one goes to watch umpires umpire or managers manage, we all want to see baseball played
I would like it, if the IBB practice of throwing it high and wide never evolved and pitchers just pitched around hitters….but alas, not to be
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
How about that — I think baseball needs no rule change about this, but if we must make one, how about: “When the pitcher is in the set position, the catcher must be in a crouch.”
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Like I say, it’s a little ridiculous. No rule change needed.
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I like watching managers manage. In fact, I consider myself to be pretty obsessed with the strategy side of the game.
by court168627 on Oct 25, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
So you’re the one!
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I find the strategy of an actual at bat. pitch, location, speed, sequence to be far more entertaining than the somnambulistic stylings of some self appointed genius
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I was under the impression that ownership/front end appoint those geniuses. And now they’re sleep-walking too?
by court168627 on Oct 25, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
It is similar to
Hack a Shaq back in the day.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 25, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Also,
I think Neyer’s point is flawed on a number of levels. But mostly, it’s a single managerial decision out of the dozens throughout the game that go unnoticed or unmentioned. If you don’t like the idea of managers intruding then eliminate them altogether, right?
It’s one batter. If you don’t like it, wait 4 pitches, another one is on his way.
by court168627 on Oct 25, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Except, of course, as I’ve seen Neyer write before, the IBB is rarely an actual tactical advantage. A few years ago, someone ran a sim with Babe Ruth-plus and eight Steve Jeltzes, once where they walked the stud every single time and once where they pitched to him and the IBB team scored significantly more runs.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I still think it depends on the situation. If the score is tied (late in the game) and there’s a man on second, what difference does it make if there’s also a man on first? If you can get to a significantly worse hitter, I say go for it.
by court168627 on Oct 25, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
1) define significantly worse.
2) how many outs are there.
3) define late in the game.
etc.
Giving your opponent extra baserunners sometimes means giving your opponent extra runs. And even the best players make on out half the time.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I think any situation where the “win expectancy” does not go down for the defensive team meets this criteria. But is there one? :)
can't use Velez
chances are one of the eight gets a hit, then you end up having a Highlander like battle, with The Prize being the right to the base hit.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Best batter who also happens to hit eighth. So Matt Kemp circa May 2009.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Right. Because even in that situation — B9, 2 out, man on second, #4 hitter up — you are increasing the chances that, if things go poorly for you, you will walk in the winning run a few hitters down the line. That chance might be small — I’m sure it is — but it exists, and all you are getting in exchange for the walk is getting to face, say, Lance Berkman instead of Albert Pujols.
Unless you have a situation where Matt Kemp bats fourth and Aaron Miles bats fifth. Then: IBB away with my blessings!
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
or any non-bases loaded situation with Eugenio Velez on deck.
by court168627 on Oct 25, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t want to define any of those. My point is that there are situations that it seems smart to me (and that it works, not that those two things always align). In the infinite amount of variables in the game, one can easily imagine many different situations that an IBB is called for. I don’t want to define any single one because it will make my point look more anecdotal than it is.
by court168627 on Oct 25, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
because simulations is just like playing actual baseball
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
It has it’s purpose, but not to tell me how human beings will react 1000 times that Albert is IBB’d in front of Holliday.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we should run a simulation to find out how many times the simulation will be simulated. We need to go deeper.
Because I was bored
I did a quick look and saw that last night’s strike’em out, throw’em out double play was the first the Cardinals had ever recorded in their post-season history.
Albert Pujols has been involved in 13 regular season strike’em out, throw’em double plays.
The Rangers recorded 7 strike’em out, throw’em double plays in the 2011 regular season.
Anyone read this?
The worst, most incoherent article I’ve read on SBNation (and I occasionally read Halo Heaven zing)
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/10/25/2512896/the-perpetual-calamity-of-tony-la-russa-bench-salesman
I assumed everybody from Halos Heaven had committed mass suicide after watching Napoli win the shit out of the World series.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
your ringing endorsement is enough for me not to try the link!
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Me too. Had to see if that car crash compared to the one that just happened outside my building.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 25, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I stopped reading after a while. Not good.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 25, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
see?
so bad it’s good, is rarely good
so bad it’s good, is usually just bad
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd.
i hate when people say “so bad it’s good.” i’m going to steal your line and use it in the future.
by court168627 on Oct 25, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
that’s the worst attempt at humour since Mad TV
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Say what you will about SNL, but it has certainly beaten the shit out of all comers
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
At least you get the jokes in Mad TV. Not only do I not get the joke in this article, I get the impression that if I got it it still wouldn’t be funny.
by court168627 on Oct 25, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
that was
when Murphy had a little hit that hit the pitcher (Rzep)’s leg and everyone was safe.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
He struck each of them out once (8 PA for Bautista and 6 for Kemp)
Dontrelle Willis
RT by TheRealMattKemp@
@JoeyBats19 @TheRealMattKemp yeah and remember k-ing both of yall. Hate hate hate lol. Congratulations to u both. Great guys for the game
don’t hold on to that little bird so tightly that you strangle it Willis
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah, come on. He is clearly kidding. If I were watching what was left of my MLB career slip through my fingers, I’d make the same joke.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
you’re right Humma
enjoy the memories Dontrelle
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
D-Train D-railed
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
You can’t listen to me. I once pissed off Dontrelle Willis.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Better than pissing on Dontrelle Willis.
by silverwidow on Oct 25, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
one of those things will net you a thousand bucks
the other just has a big guy mad at you
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
This is how you remind him?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I wish there was an “unrec” button that doesn’t flag the comment but if enough people click on it, it turns red.
its really not very good
important perhaps, good, not so much
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I don’t get the Nickelback hate. Not at all. Being generic is somehow a bigger sin than copying other bands that suck.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I saw them in concert at the House of Blues in Las Vegas back in the early 2000’s. I hate them because they put on a horrible show. I didn’t necessarily like them prior to the show but I didn’t dislike them either. I figured they’d put on a decent enough show to make it worth my time (got the tickets for free). They did not.
I’ve never seen them live, or bought any albums or anything else, but they do not offend my ears when when I hear them on the radio. Yet they spawn haters like nobody’s business.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I don’t have an unusual hatred for them in that I’ll rush to change the radio station to make sure I don’t hear them. I just am not a fan and hated the performance they put on.
I did see some really good concerts around that time so they might not have been as bad as I perceived them. Just bad in comparison.
I don't hate them. I just think they're terrible. :)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Wow, this video blog from the UFC is pretty amazing. Shows all the fighters getting checked out by commission doctors after they lost.
And some after they won, but the ones who lost are more interesting.
BBC News
London woman who killed husband in row over what to watch on TV – Harry Hill or football – found guilty of manslaughter
Just…wow.
I am proud of the petty slights we still give to nearly all things english
We have not only thrown off the colonial mantle, we now actively mock at every turn
speaks well of our self assurance
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
America Rules!! Our Beatles are WAY better than your precious Rolling Stones!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I dont know but those Brits are taking up all our jobs. I didnt even realize the walking dead main character is from England. WTF?? Does America no longer have any talented american actors to play an american anymore??
by uschris0304 on Oct 25, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
New Superman = British Actor
looks like it
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
not to mention Jimmy McNulty
and his terrible American accent.
by court168627 on Oct 25, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
McNulty’s American accent is better than the guy from The Walking Dead, though.
But Stringer Bell’s was the best. I did not know that he was British for the longest time.
me neither
haven’t seen the Walking Dead.
McNulty’s accent is fine about 70% of the time, but anytime he’s angry/yelling/loud it slips away real fast.
by court168627 on Oct 25, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I didnt know Christian Bale was from Wales… we cant find anyone american to play batman?? Does Enland have TV shows and movies with americans using british accents??
by uschris0304 on Oct 25, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
i can’t believe Josie hasn’t jumped in here yet. Probably too busy holding her sides laughing. :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope someday soon he will take another role
with more depth then “weeeeeeeeee I’m a weirdo!”
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
He is doing the 21 Jump Street movie that comes out next year. He should be somewhat normal in that.
he's no
Hugh Laurie
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
no biggie, its all good but so weird IMO.
by uschris0304 on Oct 25, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
dude, I think we need a haha in this series of rants somewhere
it is your trademark
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
haha… there you go haha…. I prefer it to lol because thats for kids, and smiley faces, well you heard Larry David, its for kids too, and girls…. or something like that he said
by uschris0304 on Oct 25, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
best American accent from a Brit ever. i have never ever heard a slip.
by court168627 on Oct 25, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
me neither
but then again, I have never watched him act
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I still love
that when the producer of the show heard him do it, he said something like Laurie was the kind of American actor he watned to play House. He didn’t even know. It shocked the hell out of me when I first heard it.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Interesting
On the anti-terrorism show Strike Back on Cinemax, the American special forces guy is played by an Aussie, and the British special forces guy is played by an American. Their accents are really good, as you’d never know where they’re from unless you do an IMDB search. I have a pretty good ear from accents, and I couldn’t tell.
by The Dude Abides on Oct 25, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I noticed that too
I actually liked that show.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
None
John Lennon had a resident visa and others certainly have lived and owned property in the U.S. but none of them became or are U.S. citizens.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 25, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
All of them (except maybe Paul?) lived in LA at one time or another.
by court168627 on Oct 25, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
just don’t whiz on it /RenandStimpyJoke
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
did the gummit try to kick John out of the country?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
didn’t*
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
London female who killed husband in fight over what to watch on TV – Talk Soup or soccer – found guilty of manslaughter….you twat
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
atta girl
I have been baiting you all day to see some of that
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
now can we discuss the content? I’m amazed I can’t think of a US example of the same thing happening, but I guess having two TVS is more common in the States. Here wives just drug their husbands and cut off their gentleman sausage
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m sure it’s happened, I just can’t think of it being in the news
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I suspect it happens in the South once a month but she just buries him and life goes on
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
We presumably have no clue why most domestic murders occur. Sometimes one element clicks and the media rolls with it.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I think its because here in the states women are trained from birth that if there is a man in the house, and sports is on, then thats what the fuck she is gonna be watchin…. I know my daughter already knows.
by uschris0304 on Oct 25, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
except for Craig Underdogs house, there he allows his gf to run the show and watch DVDs while a Dodger game is on. Fuck that noise.
by uschris0304 on Oct 25, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
im just joking with you Craig if you so happen to read this
by uschris0304 on Oct 25, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
This is no laughing matter… You dont touch the TV when a game is on…. I wish someone would try to change the channel when im watching a game.
by uschris0304 on Oct 25, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
“Notre Dame fumbles on the 1 yar… (click) …. I’m the king of the world!”
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think you get how big soccer is around the world
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Your takes are a pleasant diversion
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry if I’m late to the party but here are my thoughts on some of the MWL players.
Angel Sanchez – I heard a few of the minor league coaches talk about him. The pitching coordinator said he doesn’t THINK he’ll make it to the big leagues… He KNOWS he’s going to make it to the big leagues. The lower level coaches that have seen him all say his changeup
by w0nderbrad on Oct 25, 2011 11:51 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
his changeup what?
WHAAAAAAT?!?!?!?! (shakes screen)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I love the hanger
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry if I’m late to the party but here are my thoughts on some of the MWL players.
Angel Sanchez – I heard a few of the minor league coaches talk about him. The pitching coordinator said he doesn’t THINK he’ll make it to the big leagues… He KNOWS he’s going to make it to the big leagues. The lower level coaches that have seen him all say his changeup is already a + big league pitch.
Zach Lee – great fastball command. Throws a variety of pitches. I think 2 and 4 seam fastball, 2 and 4 seam change aka one with movement, one just to spot, and a slurve or something.
Gould – throws low 90s up to 94. Curveball is a power curve… Thrown at about 82-84. Change is still a work in progress. I think it was hammered most of the time early in the season.
Garcia – pretty good defensive outfielder with a really accurate cannon… Needs a little help with making contact consistently but when he does, watch out. Doesn’t matter what you throw to him when he’s locked in.
Tolleson – cutters, sliders, and changeups all great pitches. Didn’t throw a single change up in MWL. Only cutters and sliders.
by w0nderbrad on Oct 25, 2011 12:01 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
thanks for the insight
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I say this with nothing but respect
Welcome to the party, pal.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 25, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I clicked his profile to see how many comments he has and I see he is a member of a Cal blog. Can’t you implement some sort of screening? We’re being invaded.
Cal must not be as exclusive
as they want us to believe
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Thanks for all this
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Glad he finally found an outlet to write…
by Eric Stephen on Oct 25, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
That was a great piece, read it earlier. Really cool to see the side by side comparison too
I don’t really have a problem per se with Sands not going into great details about the swing adjustments though there’s probably no need for secrecy (I mean opposing teams can certainly scout him easily regardless). But it was great to see the results. Hope it continues!
good job Chad
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Lol Cal alum and die hard dodgers fan. Go bears.
Both have a lot in common now a days… Both bitter and pessimistic.
by w0nderbrad on Oct 25, 2011 12:09 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Oh no
bitter and pessimistic has noting on being defeatist and hung over like being a UCLA alum right now.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 25, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
but we will have excellent cold cut sandwhiches, the best olive salad, and a bottle of wine or three to drink before the game
I plan of being drunk enough that I considering urinating somewhere inappropriate, but not drunk enough that I go through with it
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea hoping for a romp this Saturday. Heading to the rose bowl :)
by w0nderbrad on Oct 25, 2011 12:13 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
And True Blue was a slogan one season… Maybe 2005
by w0nderbrad on Oct 25, 2011 12:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Many Cal folks I know
thinks this week is huge set up for disappointment.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 25, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
It reeks of 2003, but no way this is like 2005. No Jones-Drew. Hoping for another 2009
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
2003, I’ve got the student section shirt to prove it
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Cal is Blue?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m quite ignorant of teams colors.
One’s I know off hand:
Dodgers – Blue
Reds – Red
Texas – orange
Stanford – Cardinal Red
I pay little attention to colors or numbers.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Texas is Burnt Orange, Florida is Orange
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
told you I was ignorant. My wife thinks I’m color blind.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s OK. My wife thinks I’m the regular kind of blind.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Point spread on the Stanford/USC game?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Id bet hard on stanford if I didnt light a pile of my money on fire in vegas this weekend
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 25, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I dont get why its so small
stanford has been like -21 all year long..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 25, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Can I get any Stanford action here?
I’ll bet a brand new Laker Outdoor Beach Chair that Standford covers for ………………
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
when Stanford and USC play, I root for a tie. I do like when USC does countermarch though. God damn Stanford scramble band
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Stanford might be my third favorite Pac team over the years.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Plunkett started it all. Loved watching him. Even made me a Raider fan for a brief moment in time. Actually I have enjoyed watching many a Raider quarterback from the previous century.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Daryle Lamonica!
I enjoyed the Plunkett Stanford years as well. Plunkett to Vataha, the undersized possession receiver I loved to pretend to be.
Follow @DavidYoungTBLA
- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
Damn, hadn’t heard about Randy Vataha in years. You and me both.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Did you remember he was an original owner in the USFL?
He now runs a consulting firm. They advised the folks that bought the Golden State Warriors last year.
Follow @DavidYoungTBLA
- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
The Tree? Really? That piece of horse turd?
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Says the person
whose school has losing football records against Stanford, UCLA and USC.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 25, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
In 1923
the year the Coliseum opened, the only sellout (at 72,000) was the USC vs. Cal game. The second highest was 21,500 for Washington.
That place is the house that Cal built : )
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
You know it. You tell the story.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
YOU TELL THE WHOLE DAMN WORLD THIS IS BEAR TERRITORY!
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
sounds like we need a Bear Patrol
but I don’t want to pay $5 for it.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
So I shouldn't grumble here about how the Bears' playing home games at AT&T Park
has brought public transport havoc upon my life (on those gamedays/nights)…?
Okay, I’ll grumble quietly to myself. (More of a rant about Muni anyway.)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
one Thursday game and you’re Norma Desmond
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Last Saturday was a nightmare, too. (Almost missed a dinner engagement, had to take a cab...)
but again, more Muni’s fault than Cal’s.
And I’m ready for my close-up!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
yeah man I dont know what to think about this game. Happy Gameday is going to be there though.
by uschris0304 on Oct 25, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Make me an offer, the chair awaits you.
I was going to give it to Marty as his prize for winning the 2010 TBLA Postseason contest but then I decided it was more fun for Marty to not get anything. Then I was going to give it to Bobby for winning the 2011 TBLA Postseason contest but decided that anyone who drinks baby blue drinks would not appreciate the Purple and Gold. So it awaits, looking for an owner who has the balls to put something on the line for it.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
2005, worst road trip I’ve ever taken. 2009, best road trip I’ve ever taken : )
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
here is a very tasty wine that I am trying not to buy
If I bring home another “value wine” to taste my wife might kill me in the resulting row. We have no room at the inn for even one more bottle….
but you should buy this from K&L:
2009 La Carraia Sangiovese ($10.99)
90 points Robert Parker’s Wine Advocate: “La Carraia’s 2009 Sangiovese is a big, deep red laced with dark fruit, French oak, and spices, all of which flow in an extroverted multidimensional expression of Sangiovese. The finish is long, harmonious and juicy. This isn’t for the timid, but readers who enjoy a full-throttle style of Sangiovese will find much to admire. Anticipated maturity: 2010-2013.”
“This bright Sangiovese from Umbria offers a rich, earthy expression of the variety with a bright bouquet of cherry and red rose backed by a crisp mouthfeel and a touch of fruity sweetness.” (04/11)
The actual vote has never been published
but then why would an owner vote no?
by bhsportsguy on Oct 25, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Foresight?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
But again
we don’t know what the other owners do, certainly McCourt is an extreme case but unless there are some sound business reasons why they would vote against it, I think they tend to follow the commissioner.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 25, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, they did know about his failed bids to buy the Red Sox and Angels, and that he had a significant lack of personal assets. They also presumably met the guy. But they were probably more interested in keeping FOX happy.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
In parliamentary rules
You can do a unanimous consent vote, thereby if no one objects, the motion is carried.
I am going to believe this is how that vote was taken.
And thanks Eric, I could not find a story where the vote was mentioned.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 25, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that wouldn’t surprise me. Though this article from the day before mentions that 22 of 30 owners needed to approve the sale.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 25, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Hard to blow a rotator cuff lifting fried chicken. Lackey’s got talent.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Padres
BUD BLACK CAN MOTIVATE HIM!!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats the guy who left his wife that has cancer right? Thats good for his ass.
by uschris0304 on Oct 25, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
2015 club option could be at league minimum now.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 25, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Boston rotation down to:
Lester
Beckett
Bucholz
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His nickname and windup better be Whirling.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 25, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
So his torn UCL is coming pretty soon?
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Daisucke is out for next year too?
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Is his time table much different then Rubby’s
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Donno. I don’t remember what or when his injury was, he just sort of disappeared without too much fanfare.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Pretty much
Dice-K had his TJ surgery about a month before Rubby.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 25, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
and
Zombie Tim Wakefield
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
also
CJ Wilson’s price is shooting up
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Barajas will need to compete with Chris Snyder and Ryan Doumit
I may be off my rocker but I’m expecting a frugal winter.
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It would look like a lot of times on base.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 25, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I've come to the conclusion
that Mad Men is boring
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I came to that conclusion 10 minutes into the first episode. I’ve been told by plenty of people that it’s a good show and I believe them. I just can’t seem to get into it.
i got through 4 and 1/4 episodes
it has its moments, but overall, its just failing to really capture my interest
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Fair enough but I will say if I said that about Parks and Rec
(“watched the first episode and then gave up…”) i would be missing out on one of the funniest shows on TV. It took quite a few to really hit its stride. Mad Men is a different case but I do recall becoming much more involved in it by Season 2.
That said, it IS slow paced, more intellectual, subtextual, textural, etc… so that’s not everyone’s bag.
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parcs and recs has all of like 6 episodes in its first season
each of which is half the length of a full mad men episode. Its much more effort to get through the first season of mad men.
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Of course. and the shows are very different in many regards. my point is more that
sometimes it’s worth giving shows a few more chances before evaluating. but i realize time, and life, is short and not everyone has the time to give…
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Yeah, I also spent the summer doldrums watching baseball every night, leaving only time for me to go back through Breaking Bad and watch the mindless USA shows as I drift off to sleep. Maybe over the winter I’ll give Mad Men a third shot.
It doesn't compare to BReaking Bad for increasingly insane tension
that’s for sure
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I’m enjoying season 2 of Boardwalk Empire. I find it improved. As before, I find Nucky and his [wife?] the weak links, but there are enough interesting characters to keep me watching. It’s definitely become a mood show, but so far this year I’ve bought that mood. There are still moments that make you cringe (Capone is pretty cheesy), but overall I’m back on board. I almost gave up last year.
i like how i recognize every name they are talking about since watching the Ken Burns prohibition series. Like last week that fat guy asks nucky to put in a good word with Remus for him. Burns spent 30 minutes on remus, and it was just so fascinating. Amazing guy.
Probably a smarter viewing option. Haven’t had the time yet. I’m aware I’m going for the melodrama when I watch it. The federal agent, Rothstein, and Jimmy are all good characters I think (half-face is growing on me). Even though he’s DiCaprio Lite, Michael Pitt is excellent in his role. Maybe I just always think of his naked co-star from The Dreamers when I see him.
We've started streaming Mad Men a couple months ago
and we’ve got three episodes to go. I enjoy it, but that is partly because I have actual memories of an era that looked exactly like that. It is very evocative of the era, both in the look and the mores of the characters.
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I think Mad Men captures office life and dynamics in a real and compelling way
the relationship between business to business services, companies and clients, so refreshing after all of TV being set in hospitals and court rooms
and it looks fucking great
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
The best thing on TV, comparing Mad Men and Breaking Bad is like comparing the threat of death to the threat of losing a client
by Josie Becker on Oct 25, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Help me out
Using team revenue for non-baseball use is one of 10 MLB rules broken by McCourt, the league said. A violation of any league rules are grounds for termination of McCourt’s franchise.
List of these 10 rules
How can you not be allowed to use team revenue for non baseball uses when that is your only source of revenue? Not like the O’Malley’s were living off of other income. I’m really confused by this, they own the team, they own the revenue provided by the team.
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Right. Presumably, Frank will show how other owners have done so (although he might have to reach back in history somewhat), because his argument has pretty much been, “I’m not really any worse than the Mets’ jagoffs.”
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Paying yourself a salary: acceptable
Paying for a gardener to come tend your yard using team funds (in addition to said salary to yourself): not acceptable
by Eric Stephen on Oct 25, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I still don’t get that. When I own a business, the net revenue is mine to do with as I see fit. So every baseball owner only gets revenue from a team via a salary? It was my understanding that Frank was limited to a $5Million salary because of the loan covenant’s set forth by B/A.
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When I own a business, the net revenue is mine to do with as I see fit.
The IRS doesn’t agree with this.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 25, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with Phil. Your argument is that you can’t use company revenue to expense your personal gardener or whatever, and that’s true. But if you wanted to take every penny out of the business (via dividend) you absolutely could.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
But haven’t court records shown that McCourt has expensed several personal items? That is the MLB rule I think was being referred to.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 25, 2011 1:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If true, that’s tax fraud. He would be incorrectly reducing the taxable income of the Dodgers (by running personal expenses through the P & L) and technically under-reporting his income as the “perk” of having your Company pay for personal gardening services should be taxed.
Not that those things don’t happen on a MUCH smaller level in small businesses, but it would technically be fraudulent.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn’t he also being investigated by the IRS?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
That all depends on the type of business you own (private vs public) and whether or not you are buying a franchise. Your own money is not actually yours. You still have to legally earn it.
You know we are talking a private company.
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Yes I know which is why I also mentioned the part about franchises. Frank bought an MLB franchise. It’s basically the same as if he wanted to open up a McDonald’s. They have their own rules that you agree to when you buy the franchise. If you don’t like the rules then you are free to not buy into their corporation.
I understand that. My question is, does every single owner only get their personal revenue from their team via salary?
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Also, didn’t we see in the leaked deadspin documents that Moreno and his ownership group took out more money than they put in over a 3 year period?
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
In most businesses limited partners only get paid when they decide to sell. It’s like investing in the stock market. Your net worth can go up or down while you own part of the business, but you don’t make your money until you sell it off in the end. Most partners also work out deals to where they get paid salaries as well though.
This requires the company to be making a profit (If I’m not mistaken) which the Dodgers aren’t and a lot of the time that money is re-invested into the company anyways.
There’s no hard and fast rule about these things, but the method of distributing cash or earnings to the shareholder is done via dividend. There’s not a requirement that the dividend is re-invested back into the Company because that would make no sense, you simply wouldn’t pay out the dividend in the first place.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay I guess the term I should have used is retained earnings (starting to get to the end of my accounting knowledge here lol).
My guess is that it is in MLB’s rules that any profit must be re-invested into the team as retained earnings and that was something that McCourt had to agree to when he became an owner.
I’m also guessing that MLB isn’t all that strict on enforcing this rule (and others), but are now because they want McCourt gone.
I know the last place I worked operated this way. Being that their income was tied into the tourism industry it wasn’t rare for them to go from a real good year to a bad year and back, so they looked at things in more of a long term sort of way.
This is when I go back to the leaked Angels financial statements that show the Angels ownership group paid a dividend well in excess of cash contributed the 3 years prior.
But ya, if it’s against MLB rules, then it’s against the rules. I was just speaking to the real world mechanics of how it would work.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
A’s released RHP Michael Wuertz today. He really lost his control this year, but could be a cheap reclamation project.
couldn’t be the Wuertz guy we pick up
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
then i would hope there was another one on the opposing team, so we could say,
“I see your Schwartz is as big as mine.”
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 25, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I was just thinking it would be cool to have him with us, always.
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The guy Justin Sellers was traded for
before we got Sellers for nothing. Well, another dude came with Sellers, but he’s in indy baseball now. And his full name is Richard Pryer Robnett !
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Roberto Baly on Twitter:
With all this talk on Jerry Sands… Read on a Dominican newspaper that he’s going to leave mid November to get married and maybe come back
It is a sweet story
two kids meet as freshman in high school and now 9-10 years later, they get married.
I hope he sampled the smorgasbord on his way to ordering the same meal for the rest of his life!
I love my meal. really.
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Figured I’d watch the Kemp walk-off against St. Louis. Just because.
by fbihop on Oct 25, 2011 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Nice. A Cardinals bullpen fail I can get behind.
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WTF? West Virginia is joining the Big 12?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Yup
The rotting corpse that is the remaining Big East is talking about joining that Super Conference thing with Conference USA and MWC.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you’d basically have 2 or 3 conferences (but the Big East is down to like 5 teams so perhaps just 2 conferences) and just a big playoff to crown a champion.
BTW, in terms of a potential BCS playoff, this idea kind of makes sense. You have 5 auto-bids into a BCS tourney (Pac 12, Big Ten, Big 12, ACC, SEC) one big ass tournament for another auto-bid and 2 at large bids. That actually could work.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
For the ignorant who only cares about two teams
where is Gonzaga in basketball going to end up
where is Boise State in football going to end up
where is TCU in football going to end up
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I started out with two thoughts then it grew to three and send happened long before my brain knew I had progressed from two to three.
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Gonzaga isn’t going anywhere in basketball. In fact, the WCC is getting stronger. Added BYU starting this year and the latest rumor was Air Force would be moving all non-football sports teams to the WCC as well.
Boise State joins Superconference USA I guess. They would have gone to the Big East, but with WVU leaving the Big East for the Big 12, the conference is essentially dead.
TCU makes out great. The serial conference changer gets back to a BCS conference for the first time since they weren’t invited with the other cool kids to join the Big 12 when the SWC disbanded. TCU joins Big 12 with West Virginia.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
byu in the wcc seems strange to me
mormons thrown in with all those private catholic schools..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 25, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Pepperdine is not Catholic.
I think the conference might end up simply being the de-facto desination for non-state (not necessarily religious) in the West Coast that aren’t in the Pac 12. There was talk of adding Pacific a few years ago but the two Northwest schools didn’t want a 4th school in the bay area and a 7th (out of what would have been 9) schools in California. But if the confernce added Air Force along with BYU, I’d see the WCC adding Seattle and Pacific. That’s basically all the D-1 non-state schools on the West Coast.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
catholics
Im just biased because I went to santa clara.. I assume theyre all a bunch of pope loving private schools..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 25, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Delias Man sent me this crazy article that suggested a WCC, Big West merger which would be fun for me since I’d go from having 1 game a year in LA to 6, and I’d get to trash talk with you and delias man. But I don’t see that happening.
He’s worried all the Cal State schools are going to have to drop sports altogether.
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm really worried about Fullerton and Long Beach losing baseball
it would really kill UCI to not have any good teams in their division recruiting wise.
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Conferences are so screwed up now, the whole thing should be junked.
go to 8 12 team conferences is division 1, conference divison winners play the first weekend in Dec, new years day 8 conference champions play 1st round of National Championship playoffs in the four major bowls, the 2nd week end in Jan is semi finals, Championship game on off week before super bowl, BOOM a true national Champ.
by MammothDodger on Oct 25, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Greatest Twins:
Tom and Dick Van Arsdale
Home Town Info
Bob and Mike Bryant ( who I never heard of until today)
Stanford collects big men twins
Lopez and Collins boys
Others?
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HITN G-cup
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Oct 25, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes! To be precise.
Thomson and Thompson

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The Glimmer Twins?
Mary Kate and Ashley?
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There are 26 in your first link
I’d forgotten about Rich and Ron Saul being twins.
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They wouldn’t have this problem if they were the size of average human beings.
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Hong-Chih Kuo, who was going to pitch for Chinese Tapei in the upcoming MLB exhibition games in Taiwan, is now out with an elbow injury, per Roberto Baly.
I’d rather watch the boca burger in my colon at 5PM
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, sorry
sometimes you don’t know until after you hit post
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Just wait til you know you starts pimping
MLS playoffs games.
I would watch if there was a chance that the Galaxy could be relegated to Bakersfield.
notable bullpen fuck ups i can think of on top of my head
Donnie 2X
Torre calls for a pitcher that isn’t warmed up when he was in atlanta
cards yesterday
any others?
Kelly Wunsch tripping on a step in the Coors Field visitors bullpen on his way into a game.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 25, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Semaphore love
I think they should use semaphore flags in the future to prevent this kind of mistake.
Every team could have a signal coach dressed up like a sailor in team colors, the pirates would have a pirate of course
this one means:
I’d like the rightly with the cutter
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, but those lights hold no comic or entertainment value for me
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
also
seeing russ ortiz taking off a dodger uniform in their dreams
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
that time the Rangers bullpen
started throwing chairs at fans
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Pedro/Zimmer
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
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by David Young on Oct 25, 2011 3:32 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
what a strange two headed beast that is
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
How many Bison do you reckon wandered North Dakota in 1889?
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From this:
Frank Roe in his book The North American Buffalo reported of an 1850 westbound train being held up for three days for one immense migrating herd to clear the tracks.
to this in 39 years
By 1889, only about 550 bison could be found alive in the United States.
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Have to be a mighty big dick to bunch the universe into.
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I regret not ever being able to shoot a buffalo, skin him, and walk around in what had to be the coolest robe ever.
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I am down with that
not quite down with sitting in my train car and shooting the buffalo as my train rolls by
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 25, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.americanprairie.org/
The plains bison, also commonly known as the buffalo, is an iconic symbol of the free and open spirit of the North American prairie. While tens of millions of bison, described as "innumerable" by early 18th century European explorers, once roamed the Great Plains, only an estimated 500,000 bison remain in North America today. Of these, less than 4% (about 19,000 bison) live in conservation herds. Most of the bison on the landscape today are raised for commercial purposes. At present, no herd on the Great Plains is free ranging, and the majority of North American bison conservation herds are not managed to preserve genetic integrity over time. Bison were crossbred with cattle at the turn of the 20th century in the hopes of mixing cattle domesticity with bison hardiness; of the approximately 500,000 bison alive today, fewer than 7,000 are non-hybridized.
This is a great foundation.
based on the Kuo link sounds like he does not enjoy the game anymore. That is because he should be starting. The high light of his baseball career was the bat flip and he resents not being able to hit and walk more then one person before being yanked. This anger has turned into physical/mental pain manifested by a sore elbow and anxiety disorder.
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This tonight

Going to Ruths Chris for a friend’s daughter’s 21st birthday
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
So you are on a no-fat
rather than no-carb diet?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
MY LORD (DRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL)
by Julio Nievas on Oct 25, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Chris can’t get out of Granada Hills because of the damn food trucks.
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yeah man, too many fuckin people in the valley, too much traffic… takes like 45 mins to get from one end of valley to the other it feels like, so chances are if it aint in Granada, Northridge, or Chatsworth, I aint havin it… which sucks for me, but thats life I guess
it is hard out hurr for a pimp, know what im sayin?? But seriously would be so bad if people knew how to drive, and knew how to step on the gas…. Its like every man for themself on the streets of da valley. I can drive safely at 50 atleast, but always got some grandma goin 30 blockin us all… My favorite street is Winnetka cuz it has 3 lanes…. I got 60-65 easy… I feel like Jeff Gordon.
Old people gottta drive, you’d rather they drive faster then they can handle it and run over your daughter?
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nah man… I was kidding. To be honest its not even old people, not all the time. I cant get mad at people not wanting to risk tickets, but just get out the way. But what I meant by people cant drive is they dont use their signal anymore, they make a turn through a double line, illegal, people just make right turns on red lights and dont even stop. Is this the way people have always driven in the valley?
maybe if they all stuck to the furthest right lane
it would be ok. Its when you get two folks going the same inanely slow speed side by side for 5 minutes blocking everyone else
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Ranger story continues to fascinate me:
Remove CJ Wilson solid setup man / closer from bullpen to make room for phenom Natali Feliz. CJ Wilson requested the opportunity to start when he realized he was going this lose his closer job. No one really felt he had a shot at succeeding much less being one of the most dependable starting pitchers in baseball over the last two years.
Felliz dominates in his role as closer in 2010
Feliz is joined by 26 year old rookie Alexi Ogando who spends all of 18 games in the minor leagues after percolating in the Dominican since he was 22 for Visa problems. Ogando started only 3 games out of 59 in his professional career before joining the Rangers on June 15, 2010.
Frank Francisco who once shared closing duties with CJ Wilson completes a formidable bullpen in 2010
In 2011 they trade Francisco to the Blue Jays for Napoli
Feliz himself dominates in 2010 but the Rangers decide to use the spring of 2011 to make him a starter. This experiment goes all the way until the last game before the decide to wait until 2012. Feliz flip flops during the spring on whether he wants to start or not. The plan was to make Ogando the closer. But then Ogando says he’d like a crack at starting. So with Feliz back in the closer role, they decide to let Ogando give it a shot.
At this point Ogando has pitched 103 professional games and started only 3. Ogando is such a success that he makes the AL All-Star team as a starter.
Texas still plans on making Feliz a starter in 2012. I guess to replace CJ Wilson.
Adams will probably become the closer.
You can’t tell me that this is freakish. Teams have got pitchers who can start that aren’t being given a chance, the only difference is that Texas is giving them this chance.
Oh, in 2009 the best starter on the team was the all-star Scott Feldman who was so bad in 2010 he was left off the postseason roster. He’s now an important long man in 2011.
In only two years they went from a rotation of
Feldman
Millwood
Harrison
Hunter
McCarthy
Rookie Holland
Everyone wants free agents but the only free agents they have purchased was Cliff Lee and that was a rental. So many ways to build a baseball team, so many ways.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 25, 2011 4:01 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
True that
and there are so many ways, it’s difficult to say which is the right way and which are the wrong ways. The simplest and most complicated answer to the question of how to build a baseball roster is also the most accurate one: it depends.
well written
I wonder how well Feliz makes the transition next year…
by eitherethier on Oct 25, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
They have really shaken and stirred things on their pitching staff. Padilla was also in that 2009 rotation before they DFAed him.
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Yeah, hate to see their record since they day they DFA’d him.
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They were 66-50 when they let him go and went 21-25 the rest of 2009. After that….
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Did you see anybody in the Dodger bullpen of the past few years who you would recommend make the jump?
by Michael White on Oct 25, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions

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