Fun with Numbers
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 9:34 AM PDT
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As I'm doing some research into whether or not I think the Dodgers should give Matt Kemp the most expensive contract for an outfielder in history I've found some things that might be interesting to a few of you.
We all knew that Don Mattingly was one hell of a hitter early on in his career but I did not know that since 1958, he has the fourth highest career OPS+ by the age of 26. At age 23 Donny started his MVP numbers by coming in 5th, he followed that up with his lone MVP season at age 24. At age 25 he came in 2nd, and age 26 he came in 7th. That would be the last time Donny would finish top fourteen in the MVP vote.. He would have a 15th and 17th later on. As a great player he was done by age 26 even though he would go on to have two more all star seasons. For a four year stretch from age 23 - 26, Don Mattingly was the best hitter in baseball unless it was...........
His peer in the NL was Will Clark who was almost just as dominant in his early years, but who peaked at age 25 not 26. From age 23 - 25 Will Clark had MVP votes of 5, 5, and 2. His OPS+ in those years were 162,150, 175. The huge difference between Will Clark and Don Mattingly is that Will Clark would continue to be an above average player his whole career only one time having an OPS+ below 120 in his remarkable 15 season career.
HOF Jim Rice came in 3rd in the MVP vote and second in the ROY vote during the 1975 season. His teammate Fred Lynn won the MVP and ROY. Historically the greatest rookie outfield in history, easily the greatest outfield 23 and younger in history with Dwight Evans, Fred Lynn, and Jim Rice. At age 24 Jim Rice would start his own MVP run, finishing fourth at age 24, first at age 25, and fifth at age 26. Jim would not get another top 10 MVP vote until age 30 when he got fourth, and then at age 33 finished 3rd.
As you can see the highest OPS+ in this group is 169 for Albert and 141 for Cepada since I made 140 the cutoff.
Rk Player OPS+ PA From To Age H 2B 3B HR RBI BB OBP SLG OPS Pos Tm 1 Albert Pujols 169 4062 2001 2006 21-26 1159 260 12 250 758 493 .419 .629 1.047 *37/59D6 STL 2 Dick Allen 163 3184 1963 1968 21-26 840 144 57 145 455 358 .380 .551 .931 *57/684 PHI 3 Frank Robinson 155 3148 1958 1962 22-26 839 172 25 174 551 360 .395 .584 .979 793/85 CIN 4 Don Mattingly 150 3078 1982 1987 21-26 923 198 13 123 516 222 .376 .543 .919 *3/975D84 NYY 5 Darryl Strawberry 149 3387 1983 1988 21-26 768 143 28 186 548 449 .366 .529 .894 *9/87 NYM 6 Ken Griffey 148 4558 1989 1996 19-26 1204 227 21 238 725 504 .381 .549 .930 *8/D39 SEA 7 Will Clark 148 3088 1986 1990 22-26 815 150 27 117 447 319 .375 .507 .883 *3 SFG 8 Reggie Jackson 147 3154 1967 1972 21-26 700 128 20 157 419 371 .355 .494 .849 *98/7 KCA-OAK 9 Alex Rodriguez 144 4972 1994 2002 18-26 1354 255 16 298 872 472 .380 .579 .958 *6/D SEA-TEX 10 Vladimir Guerrero 144 3044 1996 2001 21-26 879 169 29 170 512 234 .378 .587 .965 *9/8D MON 11 Miguel Cabrera 141 4441 2003 2009 20-26 1220 253 12 209 753 446 .383 .542 .925 5379/D FLA-DET 12 Jose Canseco 141 3664 1985 1991 20-26 867 156 8 209 647 370 .348 .518 .866 *97D/8 OAK 13 Jim Rice 141 3456 1974 1979 21-26 976 149 49 172 583 236 .359 .552 .910 *7D/98 BOS 14 Orlando Cepeda 141 4434 1958 1964 20-26 1266 223 22 222 747 252 .353 .537 .890 *37/95 SFG
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As you can see only 14 players had at least 3,000 plate appearances with an OPS+ > 140 from age 21 - 26. Now lets take a look from age 27 - 32 and see what we find:
WOW, 51 players make the same cut.
Some make both lists:
Albert Pujols is 4th
Dick Allen is 6th
Frank Robinson is 8th
No Don Mattingly
No Daryl Strawberry
Ken Griffy is 47th
No Will Clark
Reggie Jackson is 31st
Alex Rodriquez is only 26th (surprise to me)
Vlady is right behind Arod at 27th. (so the 9 and 10 from age 21 - 26 are 26 and 27 from age 27 - 32, that is cool)
Miggy does not qualify yet
Canseco be gone
Jim Rice be gone
Cepada be gone
Top twelve are:
Rk Player OPS+ PA From To Age H HR BB BA OBP SLG OPS Pos 1 Barry Bonds 186 3760 1992 1997 27-32 913 232 743 .309 .448 .620 1.068 *7/8 2 Mickey Mantle 179 3211 1959 1964 27-32 778 205 591 .300 .428 .591 1.019 *8/97 3 Willie McCovey 173 3635 1965 1970 27-32 876 226 565 .291 .405 .578 .983 *3 4 Albert Pujols 172 3371 2007 2011 27-31 914 195 482 .324 .423 .602 1.025 *3/5D4 5 Manny Ramirez 168 3652 1999 2004 27-32 1002 236 515 .327 .428 .633 1.061 79D 6 Dick Allen 166 3110 1969 1974 27-32 790 174 417 .297 .390 .557 .947 *35/74D 7 Jason Giambi 164 4066 1998 2003 27-32 1005 223 690 .308 .434 .577 1.011 *3D/5 8 Frank Robinson 164 3667 1963 1968 27-32 915 177 461 .294 .394 .537 .931 *97/38 9 Willie Mays 163 4038 1958 1963 27-32 1130 219 429 .318 .390 .584 .974 *8/6 10 Jeff Bagwell 161 4084 1995 2000 27-32 989 218 706 .302 .431 .573 1.004 *3/D 11 Hank Aaron 161 4013 1961 1966 27-32 1125 223 398 .315 .381 .569 .950 *98/453 12 Gary Sheffield 160 3701 1996 2001 27-32 894 198 654 .302 .430 .560 .990 79/D
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Ya, I was going to ask if we could draw any conclusions here.
From the lists, it doesn’t look like Kemp is a once in a generation superstar…
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Problem with major league baseball is that someone this age approaching his free agent year is probably expecting an eight year deal, while a five year deal would be what the doctor ordered. This is what happens when you wait one year to long.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
These things I know are true:
- Matt Kemp is gonna get far more money than any Dodger ever has
- The 2013 Dodgers are going to be a much worse team without Matt Kemp.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Then the 2010 team or the 2011 team or the 2012 team
Because if Matt Kemp has a normal even season for him in 2012, then I wouldn’t be making such absolutes about 2013.
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Even if Kemp hits .270 losing him is gonna make the team worse. Possible things we can spend the Kemp fund on next offseason:
Mike Napoli
Josh Hamilton
BJ Upton
Shane Victorino
Matt Cain
Zach Greinke
There’s almost no such thing as a player without a red flag. I like Kemp going forward more than any of those names.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m inclined to think we have to sign him, even if it’s at maximum price. We have no long-term megacontracts, he’s healthy, plays a prime postion, relatively young, and has great charisma [if not character!]. Obsessing about the risk of his regressing serves no purpose. There is no crystal ball. With what we know know [now I sound like a president], giving Kemp a big deal is the right move.
I would gladly add columns to the payroll worksheet to accommodate the length of said deal.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
There’s taking one for the team.
Like I said yesterday, unless Kemp completely collapses next year there’s no way you can compare Kemp and Mark Teixiera and decide Teixiera deserves more money.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Is that the right way to look at it though? “Texiera got overpaid, Kemp is better than Texeira, so Kemp should get overpaid too.” I mean, it’s not my money and Kemp is one of my favorite players, so I’ll take it, but we should at least entertain the thought that there are better ways to build a baseball team then spending most of the available money on one player.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I mean, the Dodgers arguably had the best position player and pitcher in the NL, and the team was average at best. Fortunately, the club didn’t have to pay market value for these players, but when they do, why would we expect a better outcome? If anything, the club would be in a worse position to fill the remaining slots after paying Kemp and Kershaw what they’re worth.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure, but do you have any faith in the front office to spend the 25 million or whatever they would spend on Kemp and manage to get more production than they’d get for Kemp?
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure. I’m more treating this conversation as “what would we do” more so than “what will Ned do” e
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough, but getting, say six wins for 25 million isn’t as easy as not being Ned.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Don’t see how comparing what the Yankee’s spend and what the Dodgers spend makes any sense. Matt Kemp will take up 20% of the Dodger budget assuming the Dodgers can even spend $120,000,000. If he fails to deliver it is a knife into the the heart of the Dodgers. If Teixeira fails to deliver they simply sign Albert Pujols. And at 20 – 25 Million Matt Kemp will need to deliver at least at his 2009 level for the length of the contract.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
You can argue that it doesn’t make sense for the Dodgers, but it sure makes sense for the Yankees, or Red Sox to do that. Kemp is going to get a giant contract from someone.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve never said he wouldn’t. The question in play is if it is in the Dodgers best interest to do this.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Acknowledging their are risks, but if it is not in the Dodgers best interest to sign a young, multi-talented, marketable player then we shouldn’t be doing it for anyone, CK excluded.
Not that it matters to me, but I’m not sure how marketable Kemp is at this moment (even after an MVP should he win.) The guys who were truly marketable recently in LAD were Nomar and Manny so I think Kemp will need a high profile year when the team doesn’t suck and attendance isn’t WAY down in order to be a marketable star on that level.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t have anything scientific to go by, but I bet if I walked around the office right now and trying to talk about Matt Kemp, maybe 2 or 3 people who know who I’m talking about. Everybody knew Manny.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, he is very marketable I think. He just had his huge year, I think we’ll all see an increase in Kemp jerseys and Kempamania this coming season. and Nomar was that marketable after 1 good year in LA? crazy
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
He certainly is marketable. His brief relationship with Rihanna gave him some nationwide recognition.
Ha, right. I guess I forgot about that. Seriously, I didn’t even consider that.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I have to agree with the others that he is marketable. The casual fan will stand up and take notice when he wins the MVP. What is not to like? If a PR firm cannot market Matt Kemp then they have no business being in the business.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Matt Kemp was born for Hollywood
Baseball skills aside, he is one of the most fashion-forward athletes in sports. When he’s not in spikes, he’s sporting Louboutins for the love of Prada! Nomar’s and Manny’s high profiles were products of the east coast sports establishment, but Kemp represents something else as one of the few African-American stars in baseball. What we have in Kemp is a budding superstar who transcends the game into the popular and social stratospheres.
Of course, all of this is tertiary to baseball, but Dodger baseball is at its all-time lowest. It could be said that Los Angeles sports at the onset of what could be a prolonged slump with the Lakers getting old, USC football still on sanctions, the irrelevance of UCLA football, the Angels undergoing front office transition. It’s going to be a race to capture the city’s consciousness.
Sorry for the tangents. Matt Kemp is good. We should lock him up long term.
Sounds like he’s made for NY or Paris more then Hollywood. I’m assuming this was written by someone who only knows of the legend of Hollywood not the reality.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I know nothing of anything actually
“Hollywood” means different things to 20 year-olds than it does to other people.
Assuming we need at least one power hitter/major run producer to be considered actual contenders, I think it’s fair to look ahead at where such a person might come from. It’s either someone we already have, a free agent, a trade candidate, or a prospect. In light of that, the one advantage we have right now is the contractual rights to Kemp. Signing him before we lose them is at least a win at that level.
You have amazing tunnel vision. You seem to only think Free Agency and nothing else when it comes to replacing players.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Who the heck would trade someone that could possibly replace Kemp?
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
You want to find a diamond in the rough to fill out the back of the rotation or replace Justin Sellers. Sure, go ahead, but there isn’t a ton of guys out there that could suddenly become very productive center fielders if only people would notice them.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Dodgers need to sign kemp to long term deal at all costs, even if we lose Ethier because of it. Even if we cant fill the other holes this year. Sign him, ride the McCourt wave out until he is gone, and then work on Kershaw, and the other holes… this is LA dammit, this shouldnt even be an issue…. No I dont expect us to spend Yankee money, but I dont see why we cant spend Red Sox or Philly money… with the right owner.
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Whether it should or shouldn’t be an issue is irrelevant. We are where we are and we should be making recommendations based on the facts as they are now, not how they should be.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
well thats why I am saying even under McCourt, Kemp needs to be signed to long term deal this offseason. Even if we cant sign Kuroda, even if we have to trade Ethier and go cheap. I know alot of fans wont like that, but im willing to write off the whole 2012 season just to make sure Kemp stays a Dodger fo life.
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
No one can replace 2011 Kemp, that is fact.
Any number of people can replace 2006 – 2010 Matt Kemp. Does everything think this is now the norm or the reality of a career season at age 26? It was only one year ago today that Matt Kemp had a career OPS+ of 113. You always talk about fluke seasons, will tell me where Matt Kemps 2011 seasons ranks compared to Adrian Beltre’s 2004 based on what they had done previously.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Without going back and charting who wouldn’t have been in LAD if the Dodgers had signed Kemp (because I’m too lazy for that project) I’ll point to Seattle and say they didn’t get much out of the arrangement.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Because of his awesome defense they essentially broke even on the Beltre deal
Sadly 7 years later with inflation Kemp would have to be so great nearly every year overall to come close to breaking even on that deal. That is why you have to assume there will be 3-5 great years in the deal and 2-3 that won’t be so great, but they will be worth it to get the years that are great.
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I’d rather have signed Adrian Beltre then JD Drew and Jeff Kent but that is simply my preference because I couldn’t stand either player.
I would be more then happy for the Dodgers to sign Matt Kemp. However I do not think they can, so I’d rather get as much for him now, then wait for him to have a down year next year and then watch him walk.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow, so you are advocating trading Kemp now?
I get that logic, but I’d be too tempted to try and make a run with Kemp while he’s in his prime next season. It’s not like there is so much talent in the NL West that we’d be outgunned right away.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
If Rubby was on our roster
If Chad was not declining
If I felt Andre was not headed toward Hawpe world
If Lilly and Kuroda were not both a year older on the wrong side of 35
If we had a real 3rd baseman and not Uribe
If we had a SS who is just as likely to turn into a negative as he is a positive
If we even had a 2nd baseman
Then I’d probably agree with you.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
counterpoints to Phil
Chad COULD turn things around
Andre is headed toward Hawpe imo
Kuroda was fine this year….why would that change in 2012? he’s been very consistent
3b-sign Aram to a 2 year deal??
You are too negative on Gordon….he has continually silenced his critics….he will be fine
we do need a 2bman….
Our rotation with Kuroda back is solid as is the pen
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Oct 26, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
If ARAm opts out it won’t be to sign a two year deal. Don’t you think he’ll get a Beltre deal?
Has Gordon silenced his critics? In what way? His seven walks in 233 plate appearances? His 10 errors in 50 games? Dee Gordon is an incredibly exciting baseball player, I think the jury is still out if that translates into effective baseball player.
The older you get the more likely injuries will start to cut down the innings and effectiveness. Wasn’t like Kuroda was not dealing with some neck issues this past season.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I think A Ram is going to get more money then I would get him
he seems like a guy who in 2 years will be a first baseman
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Remarkably consistent hitter since 2004 other then 2010.
Given the state of 3rd base don’t you think he’ll get 4/60 at a minimum?
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
He gonna get paid
which is why I don’t want him. I’m not worried about if his bat plays at 3rd, but if, when his defense gets so bad he can’t play there anymore, his bat will play at 1st. Which it doesn’t at that price tag
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The flip side is, 3B is a barren wasteland in our organization. There doesn’t seem to be anyone remotely close to taking the position within the next 3 years.
Not sure why anyone would not want one of the consistent hitters in baseball at a position devoid of talent in MLB. Even if you have to overpay in years.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
because I'm not sure he can actually play 3rd going forward
he is already a poor defender, and not getting younger. Same reason the Vernon Wells comp scares people with Kemp, except Kemp is like 7 years younger
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I don’t see the similarity. Vernon Wells was Mr Inconsistent. Aramis has been the opposite of inconsistent.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
vernon one day just lost a step
couldn’t play center anymore, and he was a GOOD CF to start with. Can’t really say A Ram is any good defensively.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Okay, I’m pretty much just focusing on offense.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
but his defense matters
if we have to move him to first his contract becomes shitty shitty shitty
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Does it?
How many 1st baseman had an OPS+ of 136 last year?
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
The answer my friend is 7
and Mike Morse ain’t doing that again
So shitty seems hyperbolic
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
fine its hyperbolic
but then again the last two years he had an OPS+ of 95
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who did?
Or did you mean in the last two years he has had an OPS+ of 95
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
too damn angry at those Laker fans.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
response to Phil
Kuroda still pitched fine with the neck issue
Yes, Gordon fdoes not walk, but he still hit very well for his first cup of coffee, and he will mature in teh field as he gains experience.
Aram won’t want to stick around for the rebuild in Chicago….but he probably will command at least a 3 year deal….but he has been very consistent at the palte….in teh field is another story.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Oct 26, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
You mentioned Kemp's every other year plan
Billingsley is on that too, so did you say Kemp was declining after last year?
Shit I hope Billingsley just wrecks everyone he faces next year.
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wow, serious? You think the stadium is empty now, trade Kemp, and we’ll see an empty like weve never seen before.. I think anyways.
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I think its too early to know if he will be signable or not. Maybe he will have a down year, maybe the team gets sold, maybe Frank gets his money and wants to win back the good graces of LA… Too many variables.
Bunch of Catch22’s in my opinion.
1. If Matt does not sign the extension and then has a down year, do you hesitate to give him his huge contract as you ponder the realities of his odd/even success?
2. If Matt repeats 2011 no one will be able to afford him but the Yankee’s, Cubs, or Boston unless Mr Deep Pockets shows up to buy the Dodgers, and I don’t see how in this economy that person exists today when they didn’t exist in 2004.
JMO, but you need to sign Matt now or trade him now. Waiting to see what happens in 2012 will only bring danger.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
JMO, but you need to sign Matt now or trade him now. Waiting to see what happens in 2012 will only bring danger.
I can agree with this.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
How exactly can you expect the Dodgers to make that kind of financial commitment given the ownership situation?
Or is that why you are assuming he gone? Unable to sign him now and either too expensive or you don’t want him later?
How exactly can you expect the Dodgers to make that kind of financial commitment given the ownership situation?
That seems to be the crux of the problem does it not?
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Adrian Beltre never had a six win season until he went to Boston.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
John Mozeliak (and Tony LaRussa) traded Colby Rasmus just three months ago. It does happen. But you can’t really plan for that.
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by Maddz on Oct 26, 2011 9:03 AM PDT reply actions
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Crazy, didnt know you work for a gym… How is that gym compared to 360? By bro goes to 360 and some NBA players do as well, such a weird area for that kind of gym though IMO.
by Maddz on Oct 26, 2011 9:03 AM PDT reply actions
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Fuck it, let’s just have the SEC in all the bowl games!
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
damn
police chase ended in pedro on channel 11 with the guy running from his car and just as the cops were about to terry tate him he ran under the freeway and the chopper could not catch it!!
I was in high school, so 98 works and 96 doesn’t.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah I remember that, ive seen it after the fact, didnt see it live though. But remember all the news channels flipping out offering the viewers counseling.
After that, the news stations swore to air chases on a 5 second delay. Not sure if they did though.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Heard it's good
but I’ve never eaten there
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On Friday, we get to see if the 289 MLB players who voted ends up getting Matt Kemp the Sporting News Player of the Year award.
Today, Craig Kimbrel and Mark Trumbo won Sporting News ROY.
Also, Sporting News AL & NL All-Star teams (voted on by team executives) tomorrow so could have Kemp and Kershaw tabbed.
Also, Sporting News AL & NL All-Star teams (voted on by team executives) tomorrow so could have Kemp and Kershaw tabbed.
Could?
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Easy Peasy
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
So TSN doesn't post runners up in those votes? Oh well. Wanted to see if KJ got any votes.
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I’m not even sure how the ballot works, like if the players list one name, three, five, or what? I do know they send out ballots to every team, and just count all the ones they get back. They got a less than 40% return from the players.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's very curious.
Oh well, in the official ROY (and MVP ) votes we’ll see the rankings at least…
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I'm rooting for her big time
but on the other hand, if she doesn’t get the job, I’m rooting for her to be Dodgers next GM.
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me too, so I can make fun of all the Angel fans, cant wait!!
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
That's odd... instead of my complete comment, it posted my incomplete comment twice...
Meant to add: But if she doesn’t get the gig, I’ll be rooting for her to be the Dodgers’ next GM next year. ;)
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I see your complete comment.
I hope she gets the Angel gig
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Are there any current pro teams with a woman GM? Not talking WNBA either, and would players respect a woman GM? serious question, just curious.
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
by pro teams I assume you only talking about NBA/MLB/NFL and I think the answer is no but not positive. Yes I think the players would respect a woman GM, the real question would be the rest of the front office, the scouts, and the other 100% dominated male world of baseball.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Considering how well she did with her arbitration dealings
I think she will be respected just fine
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That's odd ;)
Another odd thing: My phone seems to like her, too. When I want to type just “N” (as in, the N Judah streetcar) it always autochanges to “Ng”. Hah.
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For the UCLA football fans
It occurs to me that UCLA might be the worst BCS coaching job out there. Is there a higher-profile gig with lower pay (especially for assistants living in Los Angeles) and fewer resources? Oregon and Oklahoma State have left no doubt that a university can win simply by pumping wads of cash into facilities, etc. UCLA seems to be proving the opposite is also true. If they fire Slick Rick, who can they reasonably expect to get to replace him?
It’s far from the worst (would you rather coach football at Duke?), but you make an excellent point that few outside of the West Coast realize. When expressing bewilderment over UCLA’s continued struggles people mistakenly refer to the program’s “great resources.” What resources? Are their oil mines in Westwood? UCLA is a beautiful campus with great academics in a talent-rich area, but it simply does not spend money on football. It’s a basketball school. It’s currently spending $100 million to renovate Pauley Pavilion while paying its football staff (including Rick Neuheisel) a combined $2.9 million — which is less than Oregon’s Chip Kelly makes himself. Its facilities lag behind most of the Pac-12 as well.
Per Stewart Mandel
I had a similar question, wondering why UCLA was seemingly incapable of recruiting. I didn’t realize that they didn’t fund the football program much.
Never will happen
but Urban Meyer would be great at UCLA. would bring in recruits, no pressure to really win the championship, no stress on his heart, easy money.
UCLA IMO needs to find a up and coming guy that can give them a few good years before leaving for more money. Like a Harbaugh guy… instead of retread guys that are just happy to have a job again.
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Or just realize basketball is all they will ever be good at, and leave football to USC… that works for me.
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I still remember wearing a shirt with scores of UCLA victories over USC over something like a seven year stretch. Probably when you were going there. I suspect all the things they are saying about UCLA right now they were saying about USC’s football program in the 1990’s.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Right, when I was growing up UCLA was the dominant football team in Southern California.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
That was a fluke run man….. everyone knows SC runs shit around here in football, come on man, lesbihonest
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
All I remember are the 90’s, everything else is just noise.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
In 1992, UCLA’s run of 245 games in which they hadn’t been shut out ended. From 1976–1995, Terry Donahue was 151–74–8.
USC wins 1980-2009: 222
UCLA wins: 217
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Thats cool, now how many Rose Bowls? National titles?
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2011 11:35 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
UCLA and USC are tied in national titles from 1980-2011.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
so why is 1980 the starting point? You just decided that?
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
and everyone knows we won in 03 and 04… yeah NCAA stripped it, but it still happened, I have the DVD haha… Ofcourse as a Bruin fan you are more then happy to take it away and thats fine.
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
The 2003 Trojans are champions just like the 2001 Mariners are. The 2004 Trojans are champions much like the guy who steals all the money from the bank in Monopoly is.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
31 years not a long enough sample size for you? This is shocking information to me since I was just told how dominate USC was over UCLA in football and yet………
Not so much.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
no im just asking why he chose 1980 as a starting point is all. Yes USC football did have a dry run from the late 70’s til 2003 and 2004. I dont deny that. And now 03 and 04 were stripped, so it sucks for us. Still doesnt change that we own football in LA, and even with all those wins and 2 championships vacated we still have more wins and championships in football then UCLA.
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Its like in college basketball. Im not really a fan of it, but I think USC has had some better seasons then UCLA, beat UCLA, and gotten further in NCAA torunament then UCLA. But I didnt say anything, and I didnt try to pretend USC is now the powerhouse of college basketball in LA. Because they arent. See, its not so hard to admit reality!
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
in the past 10-11 years I meant to write in there.
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh wait
I do remember USC defensive players bouncing off of Vince Young thighs like pop warner kids trying to tackle their dads.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
haha there is nothing a Bruin fan can say that would affect me…. they have little influence over USC fans.
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
You know its gotten bad when they have to point out what other teams did, and not their team… and have to root for other teams to do what their team cant. But fact of matter is, we own football, you own basketball. Thats the way it is, lie to yourself if you want to.
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
A team that’s gone 37 years without a championship runs shit?
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Urban Meyer wouldn’t be some re-tread simply happy to have a job again. If he wanted to come back, he could take his pick of programs that would love to have him.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
ha I knew it was going to be taken that way.. I wasnt talking about Meyer, he would be great, but Bruins will never ever, NEVER get him…. I was talking about Neuhisel, however you spell his name.
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
How come when im willing to concede that UCLA owns college basketball in the soundland, and USC will never be what UCLA is in basketball, UCLA fans never want to give me football… come on guys ha
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
It's called DELUSION
UCLA has one national championship from 1954, one Heisman winner from 1967, some successful seasons in the 80s, and a great run from 1997-1998, but hard core fans aren’t much different than Giants Fans. The UCLA SBNation site is very similar in tone to MCC.
bunch of D-bags there
Even for friendly banter they talk ish to you
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2011 11:38 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
yeah seriously… you are right they kind of are like Giant fans… But I guess were alot like Laker fans, and Im cool with that.
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
obnoxious douchebags?
why would anyone be ok with that? Maybe there should be a smiley here, maybe not
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Wow, the natives are rising up against the Southern California super-powers today! I love it. Screw USC and the Lakers.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
yes, screw us all the way to victory… Sorry I can rip UCLA and Clippers anymore… thats like making fun of homeless people, and thats just not a nice thing to do.
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually I’d rather you crow loudly, so when the reality hits that the other team in town has the best player in town, you can waa waa about how such a poorly run organization ended up with him, while the pure Laker Purple and Gold have Meta Peace and more old legs then you’d find in a retirement community.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
haha yeah Blake Griffin is good, but its only a matter of time before that Clipper lucks sets in… He’ll be blowing out his knee, or signing with a real team real soon. It never fails, its what is…. Enjoy him while you can though, he is exciting
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, if you believe in magic, I don’t really know what to say.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Hard to refute, what Clipper fan doesn’t think he’ll blow out his knee?
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Not counting the year he already did that?
I don’t believe in curses so I don’t think the likelihood that he’ll blow out his knee is any higher than Amare blowing out his knee again. These things happen to big, explosive players.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah w/e
bynum is as healthy as can be dood. You just jealous of da LAKERS magic!
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Off the top of my head, major knee injuries to Bynum, Yao, Amare, Blake, Randolph.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Right, and no one is more bigger and explosive then Blake. Just a matter of time is it not?
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Ya, but none of those guys blew their knee out a second time. I’m not a doctor though, so I have no idea if there’s a legitimate medical reason to beleive that the knee comes back stronger after surgery.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s going for some form of prescedent modality?
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2011 12:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
even lakers fans find other lakers fans obnoxious don't they?
USC fans are pretty much the same, probably because they are mostly the same people
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Craig shakes his fist as does every other UCLA / Laker fan
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Ya, I’d say that 95% of NBA fans in Southern Cal are Laker fans vs. 5% Clipper fans. I’d say UCLA vs. USC is closer to 50/50.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess its cause I live in the OC
chock full o USC turds
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well probably because USC and UCLA are schools, and when you are poor and have to go to UCLA, you are going to be a UCLA fan… Lakers and Clippers fans all get to make their own choice.
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
the ones who wanted to get rid of Pau
after the season ended the way it did were pretty annoying to me.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
The right comp isn’t that Laker fans are like USC fans, rather Laker fans are like Yankee fans.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I dont know, Im not a Yankee fan… but if you say so… Look Lakers have been succesful, what are we suppose to apologize for that?? what are we suppose to do??
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Well I cant speak for other Laker fans, but I dont go out of my way to talk trash. But if someone starts it, your dam right im gonna finish it.
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Not the success, just the opinion that Dwight Howard should be a Laker because the Lakers get whatever they want.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
but they do get whatever they want, it has happened time and time again for 40 years starting with Wilt Chamberlain.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
So I’d totally expect Dwight Howard to be a Laker if I was a Laker fan.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
And Yankee fans get whatever they want, so that’s the basis of the comp. The expectation that they should get whatever player they desire.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Hard to be annoyed at the fan who is simply expecting what has always come true for them. Cliff Lee might be the first one who said no that the Yankee’s wanted.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Beltran went across town. He was considered a lock for NYY after that crazy post-season he had.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
It just so happened I was born a USC, Lakers, Dodgers, Kings and Raiders fan… I didnt have a choice, I was born this way haha….. Not all my teams are winners, and I know when to shut my mouth when they dont win, because losers have nothing to say, I’ve accepted this.
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
When a team is better then mine I bow down, I dont put up a fight, what is there to fight about?
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
If he plays like he played against the Celtics you are probably champions, instead he wussied it. To bad he doesn’t have the heart of his brother:)
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m a huge Marc Gasol fan. The Grizzlies front court is like a dream come true for me.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Great when a plan comes together:)
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Keep dreaming dude. UCLA Is in NO shape to pump out multi-million dollars to a head coach right now.
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2011 10:53 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Thanks!
I’m a UCLA fan, and it’s downright atrocious what’s going on in Westwood. I don’t think we could beat hoops powerhouses Duke, Kansas, North Carolina, or Kentucky in FOOTBALL. The trickle-down apathy from the administration infects all levels of the school.
just thinking out loud..
but does guerrero have any heat under him? I would not exactly call howland a success for all that $$ and the football failures are legendary at this point. are all of those little golf/polo,tennis, etc championships propping up his regime?
he should be getting heat, because Rick should be gone already, so if he isnt willing to fire him, they both should be fired.
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
seeing tomorrow's stars today
that’s what I do. that kid who put the 2 in, his first game with the senior side.
A source has reportedly told Ken Berger of CBSSports.com that the owners and players are “inching closer to a deal.”Meanwhile, a source tells Sam Amico of FOX Sports Ohio that the two sides “are very determined. They’re close.”
We’ve seen signs of optimism before only to have them squashed, but we’ll be watching the aftermath of Wednesday’s meeting very closely in hopes that something positive will come out of it. Oct 26 – 1:18 PMSource: Sam Amico on Twitter
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
its on rotoworld, I dont get twitter so cant give a link to that.
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Buster Olney on ESPN Radio said MLB is meeting in the next 30 minutes or so about the weather. Possibility of postponing tonight’s game because the next two days have clearer forecasts.
That would leave open the possibility of Carpenter or Wilson pitching on three days rest on a Friday Game 7, or at the very least be more available out of the bullpen in that scenario.
Why do you keep ignoring the guy who shut them out:)
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Holland would be far more likely obviously. Just passing along what Buster was talking about, though he did mention Carpenter specifically as a possibility and not Wilson (just added him since they pitched on the same day)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I said all along that Holland would pitch game seven:)
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
The Fox scheduler (@maskedscheduler) will be pissed : )
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Daniel Burke, the principal owner of the Chattanooga Lookouts, passed away this morning.
I didn’t realize Burke used to be the head of ABC. Hat tip to Jon Weisman for the latter fact, and link.
so the babies got their bottles and will have to wait another month...
Fucking A
by Julio Nievas on Oct 26, 2011 10:57 AM PDT via iPhone app reply actions
Um... what?
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I’m going to guess the Dodger hearing that got pushed back.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes it has
According to Shanklin in LAT, hearing now starts Nov 29, and will run almost up to the Winter Meetings-seems situation will get more messy, although article says Kemp could still get a long term contract.
Shakin wondering out loud
if the delay could lead to a potential settlement
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
would not shock me
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Frank could be bought out if MLB makes it worth it for him. He doesn’t seem that obstinate that he’s going to fight until they pull the team from his cold dead hands. He’s fighting, but he’s fighting to advance his financial interests. If those are accomodated, he could walk.
I would hope MLB is doing some homework in identifying potential owners. I’ve always thought that LAD would have trouble (again) selling, so I’ve never been holding out hope that there’s some mystery owner out there that’s going to make all our dreams come true.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
If given a choice
Would you rather have:
Prince at 1st with Carroll/Gordon/Uribe as the rest of infield
OR
Loney/Uribe/Gordon and Aramis Ramirez
I think I’m taking hamburger B
but I’d have to think about it.
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I’d def give it some thought as well.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Just the way you put it, A…. If I could add Kemp getting signed to long term deal with B, I’d take B
by uschris0304 on Oct 26, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I am thinking B as well but I go back and forth. I would love to have Fielder but Kemp/Ethier/ARam doesn’t sound to shabby to me.
I guess I am just thinking that we have virtually no options at 3B and even if Jim Loney fails to come back, 1B could be easier to fill perhaps with Van Slyke.
or
SONGCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Not many would take Loney/Sellers/Gordon/Uribe over A and B
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Lot of A’s
No one is believing in Jim Loney.
I’m a sucker
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I believe Loney will be better next year
doesn’t mean I won’t pass on Fielder.
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If you believe that, then you think it would be better to spend 22 Million on Fielder then 6 Million on Loney?
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Better doesn't mean he will be anywhere near as good as Fielder
and I’m more sure that Fielder will produce next year then Loney will.
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But you are kinda kinda placing all of your eggs in the Kemp/Fielder basket assuming we have to move either to make it work. So Fielder himself may be more of a sure thing over Loney, but the risk is being transferred to counting on Uribe/Sands/LF for the remainder of the offensive production.
Gordon
Andre
Kemp
Loney
Aram
Sands
Uribe
Ellis
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
and even if he was, the return would likely be a pitcher or someone to make it worthwhile.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Come on, you are going to tell me that the Dodgers could sign Fielder, have to pay Matt at least 16,000,000 in 2012 and retain Andre all at the same time?
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
boooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
HOLLAND
Hmmm, probably bodes better for the Cardinals does it not being able to bring back Carpenter on three days rest?
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last time he pitched on short rest he got knocked around by the Phillies, correct?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
But better for Holland on regular 4-day rest if it gets to a game 7. (Is that what your title meant cryptically?)
I just like to holler for Holland
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
If TBLA was to repeat the Free Agent process they did last year what big name free agents should they write about as potential acquisitions that would be best for the team in 2012?
Prince Fielder
Albert Pujols
CC Sabbathia
CJ Wilson
Aramis Ramirez
Or
Simply focus on signing Matt Kemp right now and that should be the number one goal of the winter of 2011?
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And letting God be their witness does anyone think the Dodgers can sign Prince Fielder and retain Matt Kemp after 2012?
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When you go all in, you don’t just put one leg in the pool.
I found that out the hard way when I slipped in the dark at my friend’s pool in high school.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Keeping in mind that if you trade Andre and Chad to make room you have to convince Prince and his agent and Matt and his agent the Dodgers will continue to be competitive enough to make them want to sign with you.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Losing Ethier, half of Manny and Pierre should cover Kemp.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
What is going to cover Prince?
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Assuming we can have the same payroll as 2011, cutting Loney.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I do
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Too bad I missed the UCLA football debate.
Just want to add one thing. There is a ton of heat on Guerrero and the administration, and I hope they comet o the realization that people will stop coming and donating (some big boosters have made this known) if no improvements are made to the football program. Neu will not come back (duh), but the next hire is huge. If they go classic UCLA, we’ll stick in sucksville for a while more. If they actually give out some money (which they will make back a hundred fold), we could be on to something.
So what you’re saying is, like the Dodgers, it would take a shift in thinking and action of the current administration in order to turn things around?
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup. And spending money like a team in a big market should. Really, Guerrero has failed at his job and is a complete nincompoop without a clue of what his customers want. The dude needs to go, but the adminisration is so lax and just doesnt care enough. Such is life as a UCLA alumnus/fan.
by UCLADodger32 on Oct 26, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
nincompoop
another word that should make a comeback. Like “fink”
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 26, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it Guerrero who single handedly
mkaes the decision not to spend on the team? That seems hard to believe.
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The only way this happens is to let donors
give money directly for coaching hires. There are real problems paying them directly from funds received by the school (even the money from the new TV deal) because the coaches are public employees (University of California employees) and already those hires have to approved by the UC Regents.
The problem with direct donations for coaching hires is that obviously that makes the lines between boosters and schools even that much murkier.
UCLA has operated their athletic department as a non-profit entity and unlike Cal, has been able to sustain itself without much support for the school’s general fund. I believe the last time I looked, the athletic department represents less than 4% of the university’s annual budget so from the university perspective, it is in many ways not nearly as important as their research and educational programs. Thus, even the arguments about it affects general fundraising falls on deaf ears. But if they thought the school would have to step in to make up money, that is where they may get serious about the athletic department.
You always think basketball first with UCLA regardless of what happens and frankly not many people go there for the athletic program anyway since its educational standing and research facilities are top notch as far as public universities go.
But if the culture was ever going to change, now maybe the window but I will have to see it to believe it.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 26, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
For example
the two highest paid state employees are Jeff Tedford and Ben Howland, Neuheisal is certainly up there too.
by bhsportsguy on Oct 26, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
And we worked so hard to avoid bringing up Cal during this college football discussion….
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Usually that is accomplished just by talking college football.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re really not making things better here.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Us.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Maybe they have their priorities straight?
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m in the same boat. I don’t think it will happen, but that is what needs to happen. I just dont think those in charge realize how much money can be made by spending competitively on a staff. Bring in a big time staff, and you fill up the Rose Bowl, sell more merchandise, get more donations, etc. It is shortsighted to pinch on the coaches and keep the status quo. Make a big splash, and the money will come back, and people will come in droves.
As for the donor issue, letting them pay for the coaches would be the solution. I dont understand the hesitation because of the amazing possibilities it can create for the university. Football is the lifeline for all other programs. Having 40k people go to games will take its toll on the non-revenue sports, and is a problem that needs to be addressed now.
by UCLADodger32 on Oct 26, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
How much more money did the football program bring in during the Cabe years compared to now?
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
No idea on numbers, but it has to be substantial. This years numbers are hugely boosted with the free promotions with schools, and they still stink. Even an extra 15k on top of what attendance is now is a huge boon.
by UCLADodger32 on Oct 26, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually
during the Cade years, the attendance really peaked in one year where they averaged over 78K. UCLA averaged over 77K in 2007. Now last year, it was down to just about 60K (with an USC game).
But I do think the football program brings in more money due to better TV deals and because of how they require certain general athletic dept donations for some seating locations at both the football and basketball programs, the overall AD department makes more.
Overall the athletic department budget is larger in 2011 than it was in the 90s.
But buying players if more expensive now than it was in the 90s.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
UCLA just needs to recruit better QBs is what they need IMO. I dont think money is THAT big an issue, but maybe.
And not that it matters much
but USC’s attendance has dropped about the same amount in terms of numbers too in that same period though they average over 18K more than UCLA, last year they came down to just under 80K a game. (of course that beats the 45-49K they averaged in the mid-late 90s).
yeah that happens when the punk ass NCAA wants to make an example out of you…. sactions are going to hurt attendance… oh yeah, and its the economy, or so Dodgers say.
No
what USC people need to realize that the period between 2003-2006 was a magical time that comes around every 20 years or so and that to replicate that on a regular basis is impossible. They can be competitive and maybe not fall off the map like they did for a decade in the 90s but there is no magic guarantee of success just because you are the USC football program.
The long-term USC people I know realized this then and probably appreciated those Leinart/Bush years more because they knew that it would end soon enough. That is the nature of sports.
There were plenty of people who went to USC games then because they had stars, they were entertaining and the Lakers were imploding.
yes I do realize this… But I still think the sanctions do affect attendance is all I was saying. Its one thing not to be a national title contending team every year, but it hurts even worse when you cant even play in the Pac 12 title game for the rose bowl. There is nothing to play for…. Maybe the players can play for pride…But pride isnt enough to get me to go to a game. I would think other fans feel the same way.
Wait, so you wont even go to games when your team is 5-1 and has a huge game coming up?
by UCLADodger32 on Oct 26, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
No i’ll go…. im just sayin…. maybe im wrong, I just thought sanctions impact attendance, not saying its the only reason, just a reason, maybe a little bit? but I could be wrong…. but yeah I’d go…. probably not vs a crappy team, but I would go this saturday, especially with GameDay being there… I love the GameDay crew…. and Erin Andrews will be there, I totally forgot
This is creepy as hell.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
haha why is it creepy?? and it was a joke, I aint showin up at the Colesium at 6 am or whatever to see no woman… I live in LA, the valley to be specific, its raining women here, and its the porn capital of the world!!
Yeah you’re beyond help.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Please give a way “man I loved Erin Andrews peeping tom video” isn’t creepy.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
ohhh, is that what you were talking about? yeah it was creepy, and dumb. I only watched it for a 2nd, out of curiousity, but only that once.
By the fact that tons of people have seen and and liked it
despite the ethics of it?
But please, keep riding that moral high horse, someone needs to.
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shit man, I’ve looked at naked celeb pictures, and I’ll agree it was creepy. Doesn’t mean I’m an overall horrible human.
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I have moments of clarity
where I’m able to actually translate my thoughts into the right words for other people to comprehend me. Its a daily struggle though.
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This is true, it is everything else that makes you a truly horrible human.
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I'd like to think its the things
that ya’ll don’t even know. I vainly hope that I manage to keep the worst parts of me out of the public eye
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He must be religious, its ok if he is…. My comment was creepy, but it was a joke, I was kidding. No man ever makes creepy jokes? That that came with being a man. I see David Young making creepy jokes all the time. Some people are just uptight man, what can you do?
yes you have to be religious to believe jerking off to peeping tom footage is wrong.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
The trick is in figuring out which boundaries you can push, how you can push them, and how far. I’m didn’t think your comment was “creepy”, but mostly because I assumed you were joking, but my initial response was, “whoa, I wouldn’t have gone that route.”
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There’s also a difference between a joke like “Renowned nude model Erin Andrews” and “I likes to peep at the nekkid purty girls.”
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by Nolij on Oct 26, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldnt be suprised at all if guys shout that out to Erin all the time when she is on the set, there are tons of dudes at these things. So even though I was joking, Id bet it does happen.
The term for those guys is “dicks”.
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Whooo sexual harassment.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Right, soon-to-be-unemployed dicks.
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1st of all, funny or not funny, their is no boundaries in comedy. Now boundaries of this blog is a different story, but I was breaking none, so I said fuck it. What I said was nothing. If we really wanna get creepy, lets get creepy.
There are boundaries in comedy. Just ask Michael Richards.
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And the slide started
once Leinart left and Pete started playing more conservatively with his offense. That is when the idea of just winning wasn’t enough.
I think the slide started when Carroll got a big ass head and kept letting the assistants that got him there go, thinking he could keep it the same with these young coaches… Kiffin and Sarkisian are no Chow.
yeah
carrol should have forced them to stay at gunpoint
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that was funny. I know he cant force them, but in Chow’s case, it sounded like he left because Carroll had an ego, and they were butting heads. Basically he didnt leave for a better oppurtunity, he left because he couldnt stand Pete anymore, or something like that.
ok, you got me… yeah I forgot about that… though I thought he left SC 1st, and then that came up. But maybe not. I just remember media feeding into a Carroll-Chow fued.
Isn’t it more simple. The boosters have been reigned back in, unable to buy recruits means the recruits aren’t as good, thus the team is not as good.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And this year the numbers are event worse. If you lose 15,000 customers at $30 a pop (probably really low), thats $450,000 a game that you are losing. Over 6 games, thats almost $3 million. and that doesn’t include merchandise sales, parking, food, donations, etc. Its just a lot of money left on the table.
by UCLADodger32 on Oct 26, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
but how much does that have to do with the product on the field? Players want to go to the NFL, UCLA provides that. Sure money hurts who they can and cant hire for coaches, but how much did Jim Harbaugh get when he became coach of stanford? or that Wash coach, or Rich Rodriguez when he was coach at WVU? Did they all make more then Neuhisel makes now?
I dont trust Guerrero to make a football hire of an up and comer type that will take less money. His best bet for success is to make a big hire and spend money doing it.
Another issue is the money for assistants (ours get very little comparatively) and cost of living expenses.
by UCLADodger32 on Oct 26, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
UCLA administration
is less bothered by poor football performance than players violating handicapped parking rules and graduating without being able to read and write.
UCLA has enough smarty pants
they don’t need the football players to be smart
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I’d love to see his sister on a roll
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
She got in hot water, not sure if she ended up being fired. Reading unedited tweets live, not the best decision her producer ever came up with.
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I don’t know why, in all the things I am Z’ing through…I stopped here
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by Hollywood Joe on Oct 26, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Bill Ladson of MLB.com tweeted that the Nats are expected to name Davey Johnson as their full-time manager.
For some reason I thought Johnson had signed a multi-year deal back at midseason, but that was not the case.
This is surprising, I really thought he was just in for the transition.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess we should add Reyes and Beltran
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Good point
Ranking the Free Agents, not considering money, my list would go (top to bottom who I want most):
Pujols
Fielder
CC
Beltran
Aramis
Reyes
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Not that I’ve followed him much but Fangraphs had this to say:
Jonathan Papelbon is far and away the best reliever to hit free agency this offseason. Papelbon posted three wins above replacement for the second time in his career. In addition to his three WAR, he had a career best 1.53 FIP. At 31, he is still very much in his prime (he is throwing as hard as ever) and is one of the few relievers set to hit free agency worthy of a long-term deal. After Papelbon, the list of free agents drops off.
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Fair enough
I still hope we spend little to nothing on relievers and give out no deals longer than 1 year.
Who is Matt Kemps competition next year assumes he goes FA and all the others headed that way don’t sign extensions?
Andre
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In the outfield Upton, Victorino and Hamilton. There’s also Napoli, Cain, and Greinke out there.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Scott Van Slyke in Venezuela
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p_KFyZb1YEc
Hat tip to Roberto for the link.
meercat
would argue that this winter league has produced not much different than the 2010 early minor league performances.
Just wait until after Friday (or even tomorrow).
Thank goodness for those Kings.
"It's a five letter word, S-T-R-I-K-E."
yeah, just let me know when Bernier starts so I dont want those games….im jk, but they looked bad last night, but it happens. I wonder if Kings would be better off having a veteran backup, instead of a kid? Like in baseball, you dont really want kids sitting on the bench not playing, but veterans can handle it?
Fangraphs sure has a lot of daily content
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How many UCLA fans here actually graduated from UCLA? Just asking because I know a ton of folk who went to UCLA but very few who graduated.
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I did not graduate, my wife got her doctoral
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 26, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I confirm that I have a degree from UCLA.
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Apparently this was in today’s media session in St. Louis. From NY baseball reporter David Waldstein:
Ron Washington sticking with Matt Harrison for Game 7. Emphatic about it, too. But Holland in relief
If I were Ron Washington, I would deflect any questions regarding a Game 7, just saying, “I’ll let you know if there is a Game 7” over and over again like Rasheed Wallace.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I might just keep counting my fingers and look confused and then look up and laugh
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 26, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Now I hope he loses. That is absurd, that would be like pitching Earl Wilson instead of Mickey Lolich in game 7 in 68.
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If La Russa wins a world series
because another manager managed to do something dumb
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Must not have been a hard decision?
“It’s incredibly hard.”
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
wait
both harrison and holland are lefties, wouldn’t be a good idea to throw in a rightie? say, umm, ogando?
Ogando is going to pitch pretty much regardless. He has been ridden a ton this postseason.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he just meant Holland is available.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
The best part about this whole Harrison vs. Holland thing, to me since I haven’t paid much attention to them outside of the postseason, is that Harrison is roughly 11 months older than Holland.
I had assumed Harrison was a younger pitcher for some reason rather than someone who turned 26 in September.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
This is pretty awesome
from Alex Kennedy at Hoopsworld:
Dwight Howard is organizing a Magic All-Star game for Nov. 13. Players like Shaq, Penny, T-Mac, VC and Shard will play current Magic team.
The game will be at the University of Central Florida and tickets go on sale Friday. There will also be other events surrounding the game.
Life in a post NBA world – the return of barnstorming!
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 26, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if the NBA owners can tell like Staples Center “you can’t host pickup games featuring NBA talent”
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt it, Staples needs the action. They have two major clients missing in action
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They would not get my penny, I hate exhibitions where scoring is the only goal not winning.
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Kuo having surgery Friday, to “remove a loose body.” Expected to begin throwing in 6-8 weeks, per Dylan Hernandez.
Of course, that is after the non-tender date.
Pre-tender deal, with a base somewhere around there, and bonuses for games pitched and/or innings.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
And Garland gets Kuo’s contract.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
kuo is starting to remind me of those weird girls i saw in a documentery that are obsessed with plastic surgeries and have them done like one a week or something
This is a good comment.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
This is kind of a big deal
SI_JonHeyman
MLB and mccourt in talks to try to make deal for him to sell. the question is: how much he needs to get out. #gonow
wow if true that is a big deal. Because it sounds to me if Frank is in these talks then he does realize its over for him.
Him being willing to engage in the talks at all
says a ton
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If this actually happens
that is huge. That could honestly give us hope to not only extend Kemp and Kershaw, but sign a big free agent this offseason. Legitimate hope.
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Unless the “buyer” is MLB. If so, we’re all fucked (at least in the short term)
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
YUP
then it is be careful what you wish for
Hell that might happen anyway.
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Because we won’t acquire any additional players or because we’ll trade Ted Lilly for Bartolo Colon?
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The former…and the hope of re-signing Kemp goes bye bye
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but they already had a stalking horse bid and a competing bid in hand when running the team. I’m going to guess that MLB doesn’t have that with the Dodgers.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS IS HUGE
I’m guessing the floor is 130,000,000:)
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BillShaikin
MLB, McCourt trying to see if there is a deal to be made. McCourt would agree to sell. Long way to go. #dodgers
I feel like it could be really difficult for anyone to pay enough to get them out.
I’m assuming the 1st $130mm of whatever profit there may be goes to Jamie? And then how much is Frank expecting to make?
He came in with a parking lot so if he leaves with 100 Million he did okay considering he has to cut 1/2 with Jamie.
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Is it half to Jamie? Or she gets $130mm regardless? I haven’t been able to follow the divorce stuff as close lately.
So thats kind of what I’m hinting at. Hard to imagine Frank walking away with much. I have a hard time believing he would settle with her promising $130mm and then just be ok with the table scraps.
He better write a book.
Depends how desperate the other owners are to make him go away. Because my guess is that the settlement is MLB buying the team initially and then selling it. MLB takes the exposure on whether they can find a buyer who takes them out whole.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I suppose that could make sense if MLB is desperate. Has the league ever taken a hit like that in the past?
I can’t imagine they took a loss on the Rangers or Expos.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Did they buy them first before selling? I think this is a unique situation
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This comment is you mocking me and you.
by Michael White on Oct 26, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not sure how I’d feel about being robbed orally. Or even what that would entail.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
The story behind Marvin Gaye’s legendary rendition of the national anthem at the 1983 NBA All-Star game.
As great as it was, it probably did more harm than good. Lots of less talented people have maimed that song in the name of “embellishment.”
Mo Cheeks.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Mo Cheeks FTMFW
And Carl Lewis, who spawned perhaps Charley Steiner’s greatest line (“Francis Scott Off Key”)
by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
…which took about seven minutes to deliver.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I kind of like Charley; I just think he is horribly miscast as a radio play-by-play man. He should go back to being a sports anchor somewhere.
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I plain like Charley
He sounds like baseball to me
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 26, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s just frustrating to listen to when something unusual happens.
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He is a doddering old uncle, I take it as a part of his charm rather than an irritant
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 26, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to see Neil Rackers and Janikowski in a fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULRrb-MJoQY
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Life’s most perplexing question remains “Is Cortland Finnegan white or not?”
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Thats why the Texans had Trindon
“I’m almost as short as Humma” Holliday returing kicks yesterday instead of Manning. Then Manning broke his leg anyways.
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the only thing the texans are
is a lock to do something unexpected when you most expect it
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Colts, Jaguars and Titans all suck hard. You guys have the best RB in the game and a much improved defense. You’re in.
On an unplanned off-day for baseball
I decided to write a piece on the old PCL LA Angels. Only scratches the surface, but it’s got pretty pictures
LA History
The story of one girl’s discovery of the history under her feat
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you should hire an editor
and pay them only in bacon wrapped hot dogs
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I thought you were paying homage to me:)
Loved the article, would have loved watching that league play baseball
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I can scarcely visit the Farmer’s Market without drooling over the model of the ball park, that they have in the glass case between Sur La Table and Banana, that used to be where CBS is today
would have been AWESOME
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 26, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Gilmore Field, it’s where the Hollywood Stars played. Bob Hope and some others were principal owners, first team to wear shorts, yada yada. It’s my next article : )
by Josie Becker on Oct 26, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
um - this too
The minor leagues of this time were different than they are now. Teams weren’t under control of a minor league club.
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 26, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
How far away are we?
The top 10 teams in 2011, sorted by total team WAR:
1. Texas, +60.6
2. New York, +59.9
3. Boston, +59.5
4. Philadelphia, +51.6
5. Milwaukee, +51.0
6. St. Louis, +48.6
7. Detroit, +48.0
8. Arizona, +47.4
9. Tampa Bay, +46.1
10. Anaheim, +43.8
http://www.ussmariner.com/2011/10/25/what-a-playoff-team-looks-like/#comments
7 or 8 WAR.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s a .500 team. Consider that we’re losing 6ish between Kuroda, Barajas and Carroll so it’s really 13 or 14 that needs to get plugged back in.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
No problema
Carroll replaces Carroll
AJ Ellis does better
Kuroda comes back
Done there
Then Loney adds a full season 3 + 1.9
Andre adds a full productive season of 3 +1.7
Uribe adds a full productive season of 2 + 2
Dee Gordon adds a full productive season of 2 + 1.5
Jerry Sands adds a full productive season of 3 +3
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No problema
Carroll replaces Carroll
AJ Ellis does better
Kuroda comes back
Done there
Then Loney adds a full season 3 + 1.9
Andre adds a full productive season of 3 +1.7
Uribe adds a full productive season of 2 + 2
Dee Gordon adds a full productive season of 2 + 1.5
Jerry Sands adds a full productive season of 3 +3
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You are also assuming
Kemp repeats with another major-league leading fWAR season, Kershaw repeats with a fourth-best in the majors fWAR season, Lilly doesn’t succumb to age.
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I’d bet on all those before Jerry Sands having a 3 WAR season.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Hater – if David DeJesus can average a 3.0 WAR, Jerry Sands is perfectly capable of doing the same thing
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When I see Sands shagging balls in center I’ll compare him to David DeJesus.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
DeJesus
has played less then 100 games in CF since 2008
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Sure, but David DeJesus is a better defender than Jerry Sands isn’t controversial, right?
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I do expect Clayton to simply get better
Lilly should be able to repeat another blah year
I have little idea of what to expect from Matt Kemp other then he won’t be better
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Kershaw being better would be a season for the ages.
Top 6 fWAR pitchers last year:
Roy Halladay 8.2
CC Sabathia 7.1
Justin Verlander 7.0
Clayton Kershaw 6.8
Cliff Lee Phillies 6.7
Dan Haren 6.4
I mean it is possible, but man.
LA Dodger starter seasons at 150 ERA+ or better:
Rk Player ERA+ Year Age
1 Sandy Koufax 190 1966 30
2 Sandy Koufax 188 1964 28
3 Orel Hershiser 171 1985 26
4 Kevin Brown 169 2000 35
5 Kevin Brown 169 2003 38
6 Clayton Kershaw 163 2011 23
7 Don Sutton 162 1972 27
8 Don Sutton 161 1980 35
9 Sandy Koufax 160 1965 29
10 Sandy Koufax 159 1963 27
11 Hideo Nomo 150 1995 26
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Add pitchers to that.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I see 24.1 for the Dodgers fWAR for non-pitching.
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The Dodgers fWAR as a team was 40.6, or 5.5 less than Tampa Bay, 6.8 less than AZ.
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Prince Fielder was a 5.5 fWAR player last year.
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Kemp or Josh Hamilton..
You can sign Kemp for 8/200
You can sign Hamilton for 5/105
What do you do if you’re the Dodgers?
I go Hamilton
I wonder if he would take 5/112.5 (20, 20, 22.5, 25, 25) with a player opt out after three years.
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Stewart wants 140 minimum
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Oct 26, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Over how many years, seven? I am offering another shot at FA after his age-29 season, if he wants it, and after his age-31 guaranteed, both shots at another huge contract, with a fallback of $112.5 you can bank. Seven years guaranteed puts him at FA again after his age-33 season.
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shit I would do it for 6
and consider doing it for 5 at 140.
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I go Kemp, Hamilton is one drink or pill from being Leon Wagner
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I pick Hamilton because I think there’s less downside to his skill set.
Kemp’s had 1 great year, but not sold on his patience yet.
Hamilton i’m less concerned with dropping back off in production.
But kemp is more durable, so he has that going for him.
For a team on a budget like the Dodgers…i’d take Hamilton though.
Big durable difference from the guy who has the longest consecutive playing streak going to one of the most fragile players in the game.
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Last three years, mostly relying on OPS+
MK 2011 roughly = JH 2010
MK 2009 roughly = JH 2011
MK 2010 slightly > JH 2009, at least Matt was healthy.
MK is 3.3 years younger.
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by David Young on Oct 26, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kemp
Kemp is four years younger (well, really three years and fourth months). Hamilton has been less durable. Is his risk of relapse to his demons higher in LA?
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If killing a guy didn’t do it, I think he can survive LA.
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by regfairfield on Oct 26, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Prediction
If Matt stays he will hit three out of DS
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you could probably get just as many drugs in Dallas as you can in Texas.
I mean, Hamilton was smoking crack in the backwoods of North Carolina.
I dont think location is a big deal.
LA is more interesting then North Carolini
thus, LESS likely to do drugs
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availability is not the only factor. More tempting situations here? He could start hanging around with Charlie Sheen who likes baseball.
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This is the guy
who was actually capable of informing his wife and his team that he had backslid for one night instead of trying to hide it. I don’t think he is gonna start hangin with sheen
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It was an aside anyway, the durability is the main issue for me.
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If this where a Boston pitcher
imagine the media firestorm
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I have had to re-login to SBNation / TBLA
several times over the last several days. Normally I just log in at the start of the day and it holds all day long. Annoying.
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I had to bounce to chrome a few minutes ago since nothing would post from Firefox
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
it wasn't FF
I had the same problem in Chrome. Its their servers. The tubes must be backed up.
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Yeah, my first post went fine, now it is a wait. I’m outta here
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I re-logined again. Post would go through. I refreshed the page and it loaded with me logged out. Servers.
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Just another update(s) from Shaikin
BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
MLB, McCourt trying to see if there is a deal to be made. McCourt would agree to sell. Long way to go. #dodgers
BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
Sources: McCourt/MLB talked settlement yesterday. Judge postponed Dodgers bankruptcy trial this morning. Too soon to say deal or no deal.
14 minutes ago
BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
To all: If Selig agrees to a settlement, McCourt agrees to sell. Terms might be negotiable, outcome would not be.
2 minutes ago
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Arian Foster won offensive player of the week
thought it was going to be him at 1pm, but after what Brees did to the Colts I thought it would be him.
http://twitter.com/NFLfootballinfo/status/129223130924326912
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Something happened earlier where I actually saw “silverwidow” pop up as a new comment alert. Must have been a fluke, but it was surreal.
I’m suddenly happy we traded for Octavio Dotel.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
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Hilarious.
Dotel has issued 35 IBB in the regular season in a 888 IP career, one every 25 1/3 IP. Joe Torre had him give out 3 in his 18 2/3 IP as a Dodger. Not to be outdone, Jim Tracy order him to do it 3 times in only 5 1/3 IP in Colorado later that season.
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