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Hong-Chih Kuo To Have Elbow Surgery Friday, The Latest In A Long Line Of Setbacks

Hong-Chih Kuo didn't become the longest tenured Dodger by giving up.

Just as he has four times before, Kuo will have to recover from elbow surgery. The latest procedure for the relief pitcher is arthroscopic surgery on his left elbow scheduled for Friday, the Dodgers announced today. Tony Jackson of ESPN Los Angeles caught up with Dodgers head trainer Stan Conte:

Conte said the loose body in Kuo's elbow, which was found through an X-ray after Kuo experienced intermittent locking of the elbow while throwing in preparation for an upcoming, five-game exhibition series in his native Taiwan, didn't contribute to Kuo's problems on the mound for the Dodgers this season.

"This particular issue was not the issue,'' Conte said. "He was doing pretty well getting ready for Taiwan, and the day (Monday) before he was supposed to leave, this locking occurred. It happened twice (that day).''

Kuo was scheduled to pitch for the Chinese Taipei national team in at least one of the five games in the MLB Taiwan All-Star series that begins next Tuesday, but instead will have to wait six to eight weeks before even throwing a baseball. Roughly around the end of that recovery period, we should have a better idea about Kuo's whereabouts for 2012.

Kuo made $2.725 million in 2011, and is arbitration eligible one more time. However, after a season marred by wildness and injuries both physical and mental, Kuo will almost certainly be non-tendered by the Dodgers, and if he returns it would likely be on a deal with a small base salary and loads of incentives for games pitched, innings pitched, and/or time on the active roster.

"There's no thought of retirement," Kuo's agent Alan Chang told Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times earlier today. That sentiment is different than the final week of the season when Kuo told Ken Gurnick of MLB.com:

"I need a break. I love baseball and that's why I keep going. If I want to still play and somebody wants to give me a try, I play. If not, fine with me. I'll miss it. But I don't want to play unless I enjoy it again."

But given Kuo's history of resilience, would it be any wonder if he plans to pitch again?

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He was signed out of high school in Taiwan by the Dodgers in June 1999 for $1.25 million. He made his professional debut in San Bernardino on April 10, 2000 and struck out seven of the 10 batters he faced in his three innings of work. But Kuo's first start was cut short by an elbow injury, one that required Tommy John surgery.

Kuo didn't pitch again until late June 2001, but was limited to seven games and just 19 innings in the Gulf Coast League. In 2002, he pitched seven more games and 14 innings but was shut down again in August. At age 21, Kuo had his second Tommy John surgery, one that would sideline him for all of 2003 and the start of 2004.

In 2004, Kuo rehabbed at extended spring training then was back on a professional mound on June 1, pitching for Class A Columbus. He pitched all of three games and 10 innings in Class A, picking up his first professional win on June 10.

At the end of the 2004 season, Kuo had been a professional baseball player for five years but had pitched just 42 innings.

In 2005, Kuo finally had health on his side, and put up an epic season. Splitting time between Class A Vero Beach and Double A Jacksonville, Kuo struck out 86 batters in 54 innings and put up a 1.99 ERA. He was a September call up to the Dodgers, and pitched in nine games for the big club in his first taste of the major leagues.

Kuo made the Dodgers' bullpen in spring training in 2006, and spent two different months with the big club, shuffling back and forth in between Los Angeles and Triple A Las Vegas. He converted to a starting pitcher in July, and by the end of the year was back with the Dodgers, starting five games in September for the wild card-winning squad. His first start was on September 8, 2006 in New York, on Taiwanese Heritage Night at Shea Stadium, and Kuo picked up his first major league win by tossing six shutout innings.

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Kuo's performance in September, combined with the Mets' relative struggles against left-handed pitchers that season, earned him a playoff start in Game 2 of the National League Division Series. With one career win at that point, Kuo set the record for fewest career wins by a pitcher to start a playoff game.

In 2007, Kuo began the year on the disabled list with a rotator cuff injury, but by May was back with the Dodgers. After a pair of relief appearances, Kuo returned to the starting rotation, making six starts in June. None was more memorable than on June 12, 2007, when Kuo allowed one run over seven innings to beat the Mets and also homered. Kuo's home run was not only the third of three consecutive home runs in the second inning off John Maine, but it also spawned the infamous bat flip, one of the greatest moments in the history of mankind.

Unfortunately for Kuo his 2007 season ended after June, as he underwent surgery to remove bone chips in his left elbow in July.

Kuo was back with a flourish in 2008. After three intermittent starts in April, Kuo found a home in the bullpen and pitched a career-high 80 innings. He struck out 96 against just 21 walks and put up a 1.69 ERA, earning the Setup Man of the Year award from MLB.com. That was a relatively healthy year for Kuo, the only year of the last five seasons that he hasn't had at least one stint on the DL. But he did miss the final three weeks of the season and the division series with a tricep injury, before pitching three innings against the Philadelphia Phillies in the NLCS.

There were high hopes for Kuo heading into 2009, but after just one month he was shut down with soreness in that pesky left elbow and was sidelined for three months. Things got so bad for Kuo that while warming up for a game at Dodger Stadium in May, Kuo threw two balls onto the field from the left field bullpen. However, once Kuo returned he was lights out, combining with Jonathan Broxton and George Sherrill to give the Dodgers a formidable trio at the back end of their bullpen over the final two months of the season in their march to the best record in the National League.

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The highlight of the year for Kuo in 2009 was on July 30 in St. Louis, just his third game back off the disabled list. He inherited a leadoff double in a tie game in the bottom of the eighth inning, and the runner was sacrificed to third base. Kuo struck out Ryan Ludwick for the second out of the inning, then intentionally walked both Albert Pujols and Matt Holliday to load the bases. Left-handed batter Rick Ankiel came to the plate, but Kuo blew him away with three fastballs, prompting a well deserved leg kick from Kuo in a game the Dodgers would eventually win in 10 innings.

Kuo began 2010 on the disabled list, and allowed two runs in his first game of the season, on April 22 in Cincinnati. After that, Kuo hardly gave up anything at all. Kuo allowed six runs over those final 55 appearances and finished with a 1.20 ERA, the best ERA (minimum 30 innings) in the history of the Dodgers.

Kuo ended the 2010 season as the Dodgers' closer, and for the first time in his career Kuo made the All-Star team, a nice reward for a pitcher who constantly amazed his teammates and the training staff with his resiliency. "I wish you guys could see what he puts himself through," Conte told Ken Gurnick in 2008. "He's in constant motion until 11 at night -- ice, heat, ultrasound, message, stretch, flex, leg work, working all the time just to pitch an inning."

To begin 2011 Kuo was a tad wild with four walks to his first 13 batters faced, and he was placed on the disabled list in April with a lower left back strain. "We wondered why he was up, up, up. He was up all the time, even in the bullpen," Don Mattingly said at the time. Back on May 1, Kuo allowed four runs in his first game back and couldn't regain any semblance of command over the next week or so. For the second time in his career, Kuo had the yips, and was placed on the disabled list with an anxiety disorder.

Kuo missed 36 games while rehabbing in Arizona, but came back in mid-June. Unfortunately though the command never came back, and Kuo was limited to lefty specialist duty and mostly low leverage situations. On the season, Kuo had 21 unintentional walks in 27 innings and a 9.00 ERA. He allowed four home runs, including two to left-handed batters. On a positive note, Kuo did strikeout 36 batters, the highest strikeout rate of his career.

After six trips to the disabled list in the last five years and a fifth career elbow surgery pending, one would understand if Kuo decided to hang up his spikes. But I don't think that will be the case.

Vin Scully is fond of saying, "If you want to make God smile, tell him your plans," alluding to the folly of predicting the future with any sort of certainty. Hong-Chih Kuo's time with the Dodgers may be done, but I wouldn't bet against him coming back from his latest obstacle.

Last two photos courtesy of Getty Images.

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Maybe its time Kuo learn how to pitch right handed, or with his feet.

by Tripon on Oct 26, 2011 7:08 PM PDT reply actions  

The loose body

was Broxton

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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Oct 26, 2011 7:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Good luck to Kuo.


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by David Young on Oct 26, 2011 7:19 PM PDT reply actions  

I’m guessing removal of a loose body, assuming it is small and not indicating a problem elsewhere, is about the best a pitcher can hope for after hearing “elbow surgery”.


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by David Young on Oct 26, 2011 7:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah it certainly seems that way

by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2011 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fucking Plaschke

I’m not linking it, you know where to find it.

The Angels never gave up on Napoli’s hitting, and, in fact, valued it even more than the Rangers, as he had nearly 100 fewer at-bats with the Rangers this season than with the Angels last year.
In Plaschke math, 84 is nearly 100. Because he improved his walk rate, it was 78 fewer PAs. Plus he spent 23 days on the DL this year, as opposed to zero last year. And the 2011 Rangers have a bit more (14 OPS+ points worth) offense might than the 2010 Angels, so they could actually afford to sit him more. Took me about five mintues tops to research that. Good work Bill, keep slurpin’ Sosh.


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by David Young on Oct 26, 2011 7:27 PM PDT reply actions  

I just came away that if the Angels really did value Napoli, they would have non tender Mathis, and explain to Sosiscia that Napoli needs to play at catcher.

by Tripon on Oct 26, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The end of Dave’s and the start of yours made for an interesting double take. “Keep slurpin Soch” “I just came:”

by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2011 6:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

So do we, he’s new here.

by G.Scott on Oct 27, 2011 6:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

People don't call it alcoholism anymore?

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by Julio Pena on Oct 27, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

just the ones

who don’t drink

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 27, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great stuff Eric

Kuo deserved this kind of write up.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 26, 2011 7:45 PM PDT reply actions  

It is a great write up

I assume that Eric had this prepped for a non-tender (or re-signing) announcement, but the surgery news bumped it up.


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by David Young on Oct 26, 2011 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had 0 words written before 4pm today

by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2011 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Awesoke.


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by David Young on Oct 27, 2011 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I need to start prepping for some possible articles though. I have been slacking with no games for the last four weeks.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

do you have the “Dodgers sign aging utility man HJ” in the can?

by Hollywood Joe on Oct 27, 2011 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

SBN

on the fritz for me again today. It wouldn’t let me post and when I hit the “reply” or “action” links it would just take me to the top of the post. Seems like they are letting the software interns have a little too much freedom.

by Xeifrank on Oct 26, 2011 7:52 PM PDT reply actions  

I enjoyed your tweet to Oney Guillen. :)

by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2011 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, if the Rangers lose Game #7 against a pitcher on short rest then blah blah blah. :)

by Xeifrank on Oct 26, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

DOn't know if this has been discussed,

but what do people think of this:
http://twitter.com/#!/SI_JonHeyman/status/129314889251557377
and
http://twitter.com/#%21/BillShaikin/status/129339366672838656

by court168627 on Oct 26, 2011 7:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Bargaining with McCourt to get him to settle out of court sounds like such fun.


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by David Young on Oct 26, 2011 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

7/4/2010

Kuo pitches two innings of relief, strikes out 6 DBacks, video clip..


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by David Young on Oct 26, 2011 8:06 PM PDT reply actions  

LOL
Kuo’s home run was not only the third of three consecutive home runs in the second inning off John Maine, but it also spawned the infamous bat flip, one of the greatest moments in the history of mankind.


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by David Young on Oct 26, 2011 8:08 PM PDT reply actions  

wasn’t the Dodgers float in the Rose Parade (after the season) modeled on the bat flip HR?

by Xeifrank on Oct 26, 2011 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

if it wasn’t it should have been

by Billyum on Oct 26, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

best ever.

If I didn’t know that was Kuo I would say, “Damn, that guy has a nice swing.”
Also, his follow through looks a lot like Piazza.

by court168627 on Oct 26, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is a link above to a front view of the bat flip GIF

by Eric Stephen on Oct 26, 2011 9:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

And it was, indeed, one of the greatest days in the history of mankind.

by fbihop on Oct 26, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice, I was looking for that

But MLB’s site provides shitty access if you are searching for something. And what a shitty quality video to give us MLB.

What a great sequence. Boom-Boom goes oppo, Kemp (hitting 8th) to the loge, Kuo bat flip. Awesoke.


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by David Young on Oct 27, 2011 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love the Dodgers
I pray to the Mighty Father
Please allow us fans a new owner
before Christmas

by 68elcamino427 on Oct 26, 2011 9:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Fair contract for Kuo

Don’t know how much the Dodgers will know new after the surgery, but wonder about this contract for Kuo. 2million base and reasonable incentives which could bring him to 3-3.5million. Do folks this would be too generous?

by wineracquet on Oct 26, 2011 10:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes

He will be non-tendered, and then a fair contract would be about a $750,000 base, plus incentives that could get him up into the $2 million range.

by The Dude Abides on Oct 27, 2011 5:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Definitely think you are closer on this. I could see a team going $1M + incentives to double it or so, but not much more than that.


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by David Young on Oct 27, 2011 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I looked at the highlights of holland's start in gm 4

in the clip there were a few out showing holland, a lefty, fielding these ground balls.

It gives a good idea on how a left handed 3rd baseman looks like, each throw to first base is pretty much a spin throw. plays made by holland look pretty close. If someone has to do that across the diamond, it is clear why left handed infielder, besides 1B, are so rare

by wukunlin on Oct 26, 2011 10:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Didn't Kemp hit his home run that reached the Loge level in that 3 straight homer game?

As a part of the 3 straight that is.

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by Ivdown on Oct 26, 2011 10:59 PM PDT reply actions  

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl_3_1.jsp?mid=200706132023213&vid=7758&gid=2007/06/12/nynmlb-lanmlb-1&v=2&id=577624&w=2007/open/tp/archive06/061207_nynlan_lan_b2b2b_hr_tp_350.wmv

by wukunlin on Oct 26, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks for finding it

the amazing thing about Kuo’s home run to me was he hit it HALF WAY up the bleachers. Just awesome.

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by Ivdown on Oct 27, 2011 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was linked above!
found video of the Kuo HR

by shaqfor3 on Oct 26, 2011 9:05 PM PDT reply


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by David Young on Oct 27, 2011 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is a serious problem I keep having

I need to stop skimming everything I read!

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by Ivdown on Oct 27, 2011 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

We have to keep rubbing your nose in it puppy. :)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 27, 2011 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Be careful

He’d probably like getting spanked with a rolled-up newspaper.


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by David Young on Oct 27, 2011 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

leave that up to iiidown.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 27, 2011 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

maybe that’ll learn ya to read everything!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 27, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great article

Feel bad for Kuo, I’d like to see him back. If he’s not, do you think the Dodgers go and try to find another Pen Lefty? Or might they give St. Clair a chance?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 27, 2011 7:30 AM PDT reply actions  

I think they will try to work out some pre-tender deal maybe $1M with incentives. When Kuo is right, he takes our bullpen to a whole different level.

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2011 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah I think so too, if he wants to pitch

I’m more wondering what they may do if Kuo decides to retire.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 27, 2011 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

From Shaikin article

However, the settlement talks hit a snag when the league declined to guarantee McCourt a specific return for selling the team, one of the people said. The league, which already has loaned McCourt $150 million in bankruptcy financing, is not willing to subsidize his exit should the team sell for less than whatever figure he might ask MLB to guarantee, the person said.
You know Frank is going to drive a hard bargain. This is like one of the highest-stakes games of chicken I’ve ever seen, I think.


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by David Young on Oct 27, 2011 8:21 AM PDT reply actions  

(cue The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly theme music)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 27, 2011 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

so good


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 27, 2011 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

awesoke movie

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 27, 2011 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would think that McCourt would be motivated to sell. If I understand correctly, his hopes hang on auctioning the broadcast rights, but even if he wins that case allowing him to do just that, Fox will sue. Correct? I presume that no auction could take place until that is resolved which would likely spill into next year bumping up against the divorce deadline in which he must pay Jamie or sell. Do I have that right?

by OB12 on Oct 27, 2011 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kuo starts, gets hurt
Kuo reliefs, gets hurt

I’d rather he start. He was certainly going to start for his national team and has started for his national team in the past. Kuo needs two things. He needs to hit and he needs to be able to pitch through trouble. Once he’s allowed to do those two things his anxiety order will dissipate as the game become fun and easy for him again.

Oh, make that three things. Next time he face Gerado Parra he needs to put him on his butt again, and then strike him out, and instead of doing the leg kick grab his balls.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 27, 2011 8:44 AM PDT reply actions  

glad to see that you are part of the “Sometimes you have to throw at an asshole” camp

by Hollywood Joe on Oct 27, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Parra is high strung who plays the game hard and the right way. He does however need to be put in his place. If he’s an asshole give me a team of assholes.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 27, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

You’re becoming a Phillies fan?

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Oct 27, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

There seems to be a huge disconnect in the description of a player who plays hard, emotional, and well.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 27, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d love him as a Dodger

by Hollywood Joe on Oct 27, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

The great Gerardo Parra

of the .282/.331/.403 career line from a corner outfielder!

The dbacks can keep him.

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by Ivdown on Oct 27, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

You should write an article advocating Kuo as a starter

The start was going to be an exhibition game. I doubt he was going more than one or two innings. When did he last start for the Taiwan national team in a start that meant anything? The first WBC is 2006? Did he play in the 2006 or 2002 Asian Games? Pretty sure he pitched once in the Asian Games.

It might work. Given all the prep that he has to do in order to pitch at all, one could conceivably argue that the schedule of a starter, rather than the irregularities of a reliever might be the way to go.


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by David Young on Oct 27, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

MLB just sent me an email telling me Game 6 was postponed.

by fbihop on Oct 27, 2011 8:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Not again, I mean postponed from last night to tonight.

by fbihop on Oct 27, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kuo pitched five solid innings

in the 2nd playoff game, only being allowed to go five innings and leaving a 2 – 1 game that Brett Tomko and Hendrickson turned into 4 – 1 before you could blink.

Tomko and Hendrickson I’m sure are remembered fondly by the Ned is awesoke crowd.

Guess who was the hitting star for the Dodgers while in NY for the first two games?

Criminy, I had put this memory to bed. Many people focus on Broxton’s huge fail against Matt Stairs in 2008, and a little more on his fail against Stairs and Rollins in 2009. But hell in 2006 he also gave away the last game of the series in a game we were leading 5 – 4 when he entered in the 6th. By the time he left we were down 7 – 5.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 27, 2011 8:57 AM PDT reply actions  

ha ha, by then Jose Valentin was a Met and playing against us

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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 27, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

2005-2010 is kind of a blur for me. I’m just now regaining my clarity of vision.

by kinbote on Oct 27, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Othen then those three games, he’s been nails in the postseason.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 27, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jeff Kent? I know he was on base to get throw out at home trying to score from 2nd on a double on a play that I think is infamous for some reason or another.


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by David Young on Oct 27, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nope, but the guy who hit the ball that caused all the furor in the first place. If he had simply struck out Kent and Drew would not be infamous but he screwed the pot by blasting a fly ball off the right field wall, right down the line. Hitting right handed which he was not very good at.

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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 27, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah – that last hint is a giveaway.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 27, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought me asking the question was a give a way:)

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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 27, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Damn

you are right, my memory was thinking of the 9th inning double by Boom Boom against Wagner.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 27, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Another Frank Paux

From Shelburne at ESPN:

Dodgers want the court to consider how much blame Stow has in the attack.
 
Fair legal move, but will play poorly in the court of public opinion

by Hollywood Joe on Oct 27, 2011 9:09 AM PDT reply actions  

I’d be willing to testify that being a Giant fan, he was probably 29% to blame. Being an obnoxious drunk Giant fan at our opening day, probably adds another 13%, leaving him 42% to blame. 51% falls on the attacker. 7% falls on the onlookers who did nothing. Zero % falls on Frank McCourt and the Dodgers.

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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 27, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know the whole story yet? Are we expected to believe Stow and his friends were just walking along minding their own business and then got attacked? Maybe thats the case, or maybe him and his buddies were talking shit?

by uschris0304 on Oct 27, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is documented on youtube

that he was being an ass inside the stadium.

by delias man on Oct 27, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

So he is some to blame. Everyone knows in LA if you dont want any trouble, keep your mouth shut.

by uschris0304 on Oct 27, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

hey man, im just bein real. Is it fair? no, but thats the reality here. You talk shit to the wrong people, you get beat, if not shot. Im not saying he deserved what he got, but he did bring it on himself some by talkin shit. Thats not a Dodger Stadium thing, thats an LA thing.

by uschris0304 on Oct 27, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

plus knowing many hispanics, if he made a comment like fuck your mom, thats a death wish. Obviously you guys must not have grown up in the hood, so you dont know.

by uschris0304 on Oct 27, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you for explaining the streets to us.

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by Nolij on Oct 27, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

you are very welcome!

by uschris0304 on Oct 27, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup, all us Hispanics attack everyone who insults our mom!

by fbihop on Oct 27, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jesus no.

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by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Man disrespects hot dog. Deserves to be beaten to death. But only kind of.

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by regfairfield on Oct 27, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

If he wasn't being such a dbag I'd agree with you

But he was flat out an asshole and trying to start shit. Definitely not what happened, which never should have happened, but he wasn’t doing himself any favors by what he was saying.

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by Ivdown on Oct 27, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

If he didn’t touch anyone, I’m guessing legally he is 0% at fault.


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by David Young on Oct 27, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

What about if he made threats?

by uschris0304 on Oct 27, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

From a legal standpoint

probably not.


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by David Young on Oct 27, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

If they were, they certainly deserve to be beaten nearly to death.

by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Oct 27, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

ding ding ding

Trying to blame the Dodgers or their owners for any of it is insane. If I get mugged and roughed up in a Mcdonalds parking, it makes no sense to blame them for it.

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by Ivdown on Oct 27, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

so true

“What baffles me is that the level of public outrage at the Dodgers seems to be higher than the level of outrage at the people who inflicted the blows.”

by delias man on Oct 27, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think there was plenty of it as that news broke and in the ensuing days. But there is nothing to be gained by railing against thugs. Send ‘em off to court and that’s that.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 27, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

He should know better than to be a grown man wearing sports team clothes. /somestupidguyitrytoforget

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Oct 27, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

sounds like Mason and Ireland

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 27, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently the guy I’m thinking of is named John Steigerwald and he writes for the Pennsylvania Observer-Reporter.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Oct 27, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the court of public opinion already handed down its ruling.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 27, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

the mob is always capable of even more anger

especially when it gets all “righteous”

I think Righteous Anger is sometimes scarier than Criminal Intent

by Hollywood Joe on Oct 27, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

(cue Hang’em High theme music)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 27, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

a great book would be about a mathematical model to mob behavior and plotting the future of the world based on it.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 27, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I should take this to the book thread.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 27, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

tie it to religious fervor and call it

“God Mob”

A study into how the faithful few are leading the ambivalent masses to an increasingly fragmented and fragile future.

Get Bill Maher and Thomas Freidman on the horn! Do we have an idea for them

by Hollywood Joe on Oct 27, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Numb3rs tried to do that a couple of times.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Oct 27, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

it sucks

but what else can mcourt do? I doubt he wants to slander Stowe

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Oct 27, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Easy Peasy

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 27, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

lemon squeezy

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 27, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hardware just pouring in and it won’t stop until it reaches a state this team hasn’t seen since 1988.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 27, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

sounds like a nickle slot in reno at 2AM

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by Hollywood Joe on Oct 27, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I killed a slot machine in Reno once, just to watch it die.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 27, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

But for some reason you were sent to Folsom Prison, even though it’s in a different state.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Oct 27, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I used to love the Sporting News.

So important before the internet….all of baseball in my mailbox

and The National. Short lived and ill conceived, but I loved the The National

I still subscribe to SI out of loyalty, though the old girl is not what she used to be

by Hollywood Joe on Oct 27, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I got a letter published in the Sporting News in 1988. I think it was about Orel Hershiser, but I can’t remember.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 27, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Did you allude to an early precursor to xFIP in the letter?

That letter is the Stephen Rosetta Stone

by Hollywood Joe on Oct 27, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sporting News was the only way to get team stats back in my day. I’d read every single teams stats every week. One looks back and wonders how much of life was wasted being dazzled by pointless stats like batting averages, runs batted in, and ERA. Thank god the Home run has not been devalued.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 27, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

they’re rally killers

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 27, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

ha

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 27, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

My mother would shout “What are you doing in the bathroom so long?”

How was I to explain I was lost in a sea of box-scores and batting averages?

by Hollywood Joe on Oct 27, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

she would probably would have been happy to know that was the case instead of what she was thinking

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 27, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I remember getting a subscription to the Sporting News when I was 8 years old. They used to list all the stats for all minor league teams. Back in the ’60’s, it was the only way to follow prospects.

by latenite on Oct 27, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

FTMFW
In the NL, Los Angeles Dodgers center fielder Matt Kemp was the only unanimous selection.

by Hollywood Joe on Oct 27, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bow to the Bison

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 27, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

So somebody said, “Ryan Braun? He’s not as good as Matt Holliday.”

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Oct 27, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s universal recognition!

by latenite on Oct 27, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

New Colletti interview

link

As far as improvement for 2012, Colletti obviously can’t — and wouldn’t — talk about what players he might want to sign or acquire in a trade. The contract options on third baseman Casey Blake and pitcher Jon Garland weren’t exercised, but they could be signed later and for less than the combined $14 million they made in their injury-plagued 2011 seasons. The GM did say, though, that an important piece of the puzzle will be rebuilding the bullpen.

Former closer Jonathan Broxton is still a possibility to return, but with the emergence of strikeout machine Kenley Jansen and closer Javy Guerra, the team will primarily be looking for some front end help. Ideally, it would be Jansen and Guerra battling it out for the closer role, with the other becoming the set-up man. The seventh-inning bridge man could be a veteran Darren Oliver-type.

“Bullpens are the most fluid part of our sport right now,” Colletti said. "But it’s also extremely important. Our starting pitching is excellent, and if we get Ruby de la Rosa (Tommy John surgery) back at some point, we have a chance to be the best rotation. But we need to keep our relievers healthy and make it so everyone knows their role every game.

“Things are going to get interesting in a couple of days.”

Bolded for effect. :)

by silverwidow on Oct 27, 2011 9:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Quite a disconnect between what we think we need and what Ned thinks we need. But based on this you’d have to say he must expect Kuroda back 100% and big things from Nathan Eovaldi.

I thought Guerrier was the setup guy. Mayby Ned forgot he has Guerrier and Hawksworth and Elbert and Linblom to be those gateway guys to Javy and Kenley.

If he really uses more resources on relief pitching I’m going to flip his wig.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 27, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll go ahead and repost this. Thought it was kind of interesting.

by silverwidow on Oct 27, 2011 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

The bat flip

makes me smile every time i see it! too awesome!(and yes, the next batter should have worn one in his ribcage.)

by WGiles24 on Oct 27, 2011 1:55 PM PDT reply actions  

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C 17 Ellis $490,000
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LF 23 Abreu $401,311
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IF 13 DeJesus $448,992
C 18 Treanor $850,000

SP 22 Kershaw $6,000,000
SP 58 Billingsley $9,000,000
SP 29 Lilly $12,000,000
SP 44
Harang $3,000,000
SP 35 Capuano $3,000,000

CL 74
Jansen $491,000
RHP 52 Lindblom $483,000
RHP 51 Belisario $414,426
RHP 54 Guerra $488,000
RHP 28
Wright $900,000
LHP 57 Elbert $488,500
RHP 60 Coffey $1,000,000

DL 27 Kemp $10,000,000
DL 21 Rivera $4,000,000
DL 12 Sellers $481,000
DL 5 Uribe $8,000,000
DL 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
DL 14 Ellis $2,500,000
60DL 36 Hawksworth $495,000
60DL 41 De La Rosa $485,000

AA 50 Eovaldi $7,885
AAA 56 Antonini $7,869



Manny $8,087,432 deferred


Andruw $3,375,000 deferred


Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
Furcal $3,000,000 deferred
Kuroda $2,000,000 deferred
Garland $1,500,000 option buyout
Blake $1,250,000 option buyout
DFA 66 MacDougal $650,000

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