Dodgers Roster Breakdown
by Eric Stephen on Oct 3, 2011 12:57 PM PDT
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Here is an overview of the Dodgers' 40-man roster, heading into the offseason. There are 42 players currently on the 40-man roster, including one (Vicente Padilla) on the 60-day disabled list and another (Ronald Belisario) on the restricted list. The roster will change quickly after the World Series as players file for free agency. I have split them into a few groups:
Free Agents (8)
Type B*: Rod Barajas
Others: Jonathan Broxton, Jamey Carroll, Hiroki Kuroda**, Mike MacDougal, Aaron Miles, Vicente Padilla, Juan Rivera
*Eddie Bajek of Detroit Tigers Thoughts has done a great job of reverse engineering the Elias Rankings, and has posted them at MLB Trade Rumors. In order to receive compensation for Type A or Type B free agents, the club must offer them arbitration. Type A free agents net a first round pick from the team that signs them, provided the pick isn't in the top 15 (not including supplemental picks for failing to sign the first round pick for the previous season), in addition to a supplemental pick in between the first and second rounds.
If a team signs more than one Type A free agent, the players are ranked by their Elias ranking, they give up picks in the lower rounds as well. For instance, the Yankees two years ago gave up their first three picks for signing CC Sabathia, Mark Teixeira, and A.J. Burnett, all Type A free agents. Type B free agents net only a supplemental pick.
The Dodgers' first round pick in the 2012 draft, number 18 overall, will be an unprotected pick, meaning if they somehow find the money to sign a Type A free agent the Dodgers would give up that number 18 pick.
**Kuroda has four years of service time but his contract states that the Dodgers cannot offer him arbitration and that he will be a free agent after the season.
Options (2)
Jon Garland has an $8 million club option, with a buyout of $500,000.
Casey Blake has a $6 million club option, with a buyout of $1.25 million.
Neither Garland nor Blake are projected to be a Type A or B free agent.
Under Contract (4)
You can click on each player name for more details of their contract.
| Player | 2011 Salary | 2012 Salary | Signed through |
| Juan Uribe | $5,000,000 | $8,000,000 | 2013 |
| Chad Billingsley | $6,275,000 | $9,000,000 | 2014 |
| Ted Lilly | $7,500,000 | $12,000,000 | 2013 |
| Matt Guerrier | $1,500,000 | $4,750,000 | 2013 |
| Includes signing bonuses. Details here. | |||
Arbitration Eligible (7)
| Player | Service Time | 2011 Base Salary |
| Andre Ethier | 5.153 | $9,250,000 |
| Hong-Chih Kuo | 5.114 | $2,725,000 |
| Matt Kemp | 5.049 | $7,100,000 |
| James Loney | 5.012 | $4,875,000 |
| Tony Gwynn Jr. |
4.044 |
$675,000 |
| Clayton Kershaw | 3.105 | $500,000 |
| Dana Eveland | 3.008 | $500,000* |
| *Estimated | ||
The service time is listed in years and days, such that 4.044 means four years, 44 days of service time. There are 183 days in a major league season, but it only takes 172 days to accrue a full year of service time. A player can't receive credit for more than 172 days in a season.
The deadline to tender contracts to arbitration eligible players and those under team control is 9 p.m. PDT on December 12.
Under Team Control (21)
| Player | Service Time | 2011 Base Salary | Options Used | Options Left |
| Ramon Troncoso | 2.143 | $442,000 | 2008,2010,2011 |
none |
| Eugenio Velez |
2.111 |
$500,000* |
2007,2008,2009,2010 |
none |
| Blake Hawksworth | 2.108 | $426,000 | 2007,2008,2009 | none |
| Ronald Belisario** | 1.151 | $0 | 2004,2005,2008 | none |
| A.J. Ellis | 1.151 | $421,000 | 2009,2010,2011 | none |
| Kenley Jansen | 1.073 | $416,000 | 2010 | 2 |
| Scott Elbert | 1.069 | $415,000 | 2009,2010,2011 | none |
| Trent Oeltjen | 1.027 | $414,000* | 2009 | 2 |
| Carlos Monasterios | 1.000 | $414,000* | 2011 | 2 |
| Javy Guerra | 0.137 | $414,000 | 2010,2011 | 1 |
| John Ely | 0.135 | $418,000 | 2010,2011 |
1 |
| Rubby De La Rosa |
0.128 |
$414,000 |
----- |
3 |
| Dee Gordon |
0.089 |
$414,000 |
2011 |
2 |
| Russ Mitchell | 0.085 | $414,500* | 2011 | 2 |
| Josh Lindblom |
0.077 |
$414,000 |
2011 |
2 |
| Jerry Sands |
0.076 |
$414,000 |
2011 |
2 |
| Nathan Eovaldi |
0.054 |
$414,000 |
----- |
3 |
| Justin Sellers |
0.048 |
$414,000 |
----- |
3 |
| Ivan DeJesus | 0.041 | $414,000 | 2010,2011 | 1 |
| Jamie Hoffmann | 0.029 | $415,000* | 2009,2011 | 1 |
| Tim Federowicz |
0.023 |
$414,000 |
----- |
3 |
| *Estimated; **Belisario is on the restricted list and not on the 40-man roster |
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For more detailed payroll information, be sure to visit the payroll worksheet, of which a summary is always located on the right sidebar. The service times are based on the Dodgers' transactions throughout the season. There might be a few that are off by a couple of days, but nothing that would materially change anybody's status.
Ramon Troncoso has enough service time to possibly qualify for Super Two status, meaning he would be arbitration eligible for four seasons instead of the standard three. The baseline for a Super Two varies from year to year, but last year Chase Headley of the Padres qualified with two years, 123 days of service time. Troncoso is at two years, 142 days of service time heading into this winter. But a closer examination of the collective bargaining agreement shows the requirements for being a Super Two:
A Player with at least two but less than three years of Major League service shall be eligible for salary arbitration if: (a) he has accumulated at least 86 days of service during the immediately preceding season; and (b) he ranks in the top seventeen percent (17%) (rounded to the nearest whole number) in total service in the class of Players who have at least two but less than three years of Major League service, however accumulated, but with at least 86 days of service accumulated during the immediately preceding season.
Troncoso was with the Dodgers for three separate stints in 2011, but accumulated only 62 days of service time, so he is not eligible for arbitration.
Here are some important dates to remember for the offseason:
- Day After World Series Ends: begins 5-day period for eligible players to file for free agency
- November 19: Date reserve lists must be set (adding players to 40-man roster for purposes of Rule 5 draft). Back in August, Chris Jackson of the Albuquerque Examiner analyzed the Dodgers farm system, and found these eight players that need to be added to the 40-man in November to avoid the risk of losing them in the Rule 5 draft: Michael Antonini, Pedro Baez, Gorman Erickson, Elian Herrera, Will Savage, Alfredo Silverio, Scott Van Slyke, and Matt Wallach.
- December 1: Last date to offer arbitration to free agents to receive compensation (Barajas, a Type B, is the only pending Dodgers free agent who would bring compensation)
- December 7: Deadline for free agents to accept or decline arbitration
- December 11: MLB collective bargaining agreement expires
- December 12: Deadline to tender contracts to players under team control or pre-free agency arbitration-eligible players
- January 5-15: Salary arbitration filing period
- January 18: Clubs and players exchange salary arbitration figures
- February 1-20: Salary arbitration hearings to be held
- February 18-23: Pitchers and catchers report to spring training (date varies by team)
- March 2-11: Contracts for players under team control that have not yet signed can be renewed
- April 5: Clayton Kershaw wins first game of regular season, at Petco Park in San Diego
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April 5: Clayton Kershaw wins first game of regular season, at Petco Park in San Diego
by fbihop on Oct 3, 2011 1:03 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
The only one of those guys I would expect to lose, if unprotected, is Van Slyke, maybe Antonini. Not sure Griff or Silverio is major league-ready enough to justify stashing on a MLB roster.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I would be pretty surprised after the season he had, if someone didn’t claim Griff if he’s left unprotected. Silverio is a bit different matter and while he looks interesting, I wouldn’t lose sleep over losing him.
Van Slyke would almost certainly be claimed. He seems like the kind of guy that could hang on at the back end of a bench and log a bit of time as a backup IF/OF.
there are actually a few other players that need to get added to the 40 man roster to avoid the risk of losing them in the Rule 5 draft
i’ll have a full on post on this as it gets closer, but we would also need to add Chris Withrow, Ethan Martin, Kyle Russell, Tony Delmonico, and cole st. clair
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 3, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
From the linked article
Just missing the cut were outfielder Alex Castellanos, Fife, outfielder Kyle Russell and right-hander Chris Withrow.
Someone needs to show their work or cite their sources!
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oh ok
although I’m not sure how Elian Herrera, Michael Antonini, and Will Savage make the cut over Withrow
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 3, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
not sure why he had to check with them on anything
it just depends on the year you were drafted and your age when you signed
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 3, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
because he doesn’t have a spreadsheet of 200 prospects?
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For the younger players, they are eligible after their fifth full season in the minors. For the older ones, they are eligible after their fourth full season.
The stipulation is “full season.”
Kyle Russell, for example, has played one partial season, then three full seasons.
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yep that is the general rule
so this year it will be college guys drafted 2008 or earlier and high school guys drafted in 2007 or earlier.
Ethan Martin is the exception because he didn’t sign until he was 19 years old, so even though he was drafted out of high school in 2008 he is still eligible to be taken in this year’s rule 5 draft
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 3, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn’t it 2007 and 2006 respectively, to get to four and five (2007, 8, 9, 10, 11) full years, respectively?
I get that Ethan Martin counts as an “older player”, but has played only three full seasons.
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sorry i misread what he had written. i thought missing the cut just meant he didn't think they would get added
either way he is wrong. It’s three and four full seasons, not four and five full seasons. It took me a while to research the 1st time also so I can see how he got mixed up, but what he wrote is wrong. All the guys i mentioned are eligible for selection unless added to the 40 man
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 3, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
not to drive the point home, but this whole paragraph is wrong also
The stipulation is “full season.” Most players sign pro contracts between June and August, often playing in rookie and short-season leagues. Just as these one-to-three-month stints do not count toward a player’s full six years needed for free agency, they do not count toward Rule 5 eligibility, either.
So despite a considerable amount of consternation over recently acquired players Tim Federowicz and Stephen Fife, neither is actually Rule 5-eligible this coming offseason. Both have only played three full seasons in the minors, including this year.
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 3, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe you but
for most people, it’s a “he said, you said” situation. I found something on BPro where it said the last CBA made it four and five seasons, but doesn’t say what constitutes a season.
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i found that too
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=10495
and it does say that “However, if a player signed after the minor-league season has ended, his first year is deemed to be the beginning of the following season.” so as long as a player signs in a given year before the minor league season ends, that counts as a season…so it doesn’t need to be “full seasons”
Also, this is how i wrote it up last year:
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/11/7/1798684/40-man-roster-addition-rule-5-draft-preview
by Brandon Lennox on Oct 3, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s actually a different and better BPro story than the one I was looking at. Thanks for that and the link back to your article.
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I may have set a record
by updating a 2 level dead thread
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Dave says “Not by a longshot, I am commenting on threads days old”
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
days?
I just wrote this:
Hey HJ, welcome to TBLA
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and now I have commented to your comment and thus we keep thwarting the TBLA space time continuum
damn the flux capacitor
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for the reply. Gruyere.
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For those wondering
Kenley Jansen was optioned on May 1, but returned a few days later, on May 6, to replace an injured Jonathan Broxton. Because it was under 20 days, the “optional assignment” did not count, and Jansen got full credit for service time for those five missed days as if he never left.
The rest of the time in the minors counted as “rehab” and didn’t cost an option then?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
paid vacation
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Great and depressing
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At least we are all on the same page here
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Old guys have all the fun
I hope when I am retired someone pays me a bunch of loot to try and solve a problem I really don’t care about. That would be fun.
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
how many have hot chicks though?
HOW MANY JOSIE?!?!?!?!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
.3?
there’s one with a butterface?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Do I want to know what a butterface is?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
not really, but not so bad
just base and cruel
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
pretty much
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
just an expression for a woman with a good body
but not so great of a face
“Everything on her is great, but her face.”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
naturally
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
really ugly
usually said by guys who lack an attractive body, face, personality, and soul
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
great pic
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
exactly
it is the way they make themselves feel better about not getting any
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
But I like butter
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I had a ham, butter, salt, and radish sandwich yesterday
if was so good it haunts me still
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
you’re not supposed to salt ham…….
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
salt your radish my boy, season everything
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
this isn't about radishes man
this is about ham. YOU DON’T SALT HAM!!! (my heart hurts)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Just snack Puppy on the snout.
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I think it was sufficiently explained
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone acts like people should read the whole thread then post
I post as I go along. If I’m just posting on something that’s in the past call me Doc Brown.
You have to roll up the internet now.
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So are half the women in most night clubs on the sunset strip, does not mean I find them attractive.
me thinks
his tongue
was in
his
cheek
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Rule of thumb: on TBLA, positions that sound mostly unsupportable are tongue in cheek. Positions that sound completely unsupportable are meant seriously.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
so we have two Humma laws, A TBLA rule of thumb, and the HJ maxim
what am I missing?
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I would have thought that was yours!
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Should I care
about Amanda Knox? I only became aware of her over the weekend.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
is it right to buy a Chrysler?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
man i’d look stupid with Bleached-Blond hair.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
hahaha
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
soccer update
Our GU8 dominated this weekend 5-0. My daughter scored her first ever goal on a nice breakaway.
nice memory
congrats to you and the little one
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
what about softball or basketball or volleyball or fencing or swimming or gymnastics or golf
anything other than that decadent, socialist, continental game which seeks to deny the opposable thumb, our most human of developments
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
but which celebrates walking upright, the more awesomer human development, cause without it there is no opposable thumb
oh sure, with that kind of reductionist thinking we all end up glorifying tadpoles
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
is that the bird from LAT magazine with the open blouse?
What is up with that anyway, Sunday morning paper with a boner?
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Could be worse
Could be Kobe
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
whoops on LAT magazine is Amber Heard
not Amanda Knox, but really seems to close to distinguish them right?
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, I didn’t read the words, I saw the photos and was like
“Um, too much, too early, too old”
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I think she was a Nancy Grace mainstay for weeks before hitting the local news in the last couple of days because of her trial.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
twice
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I know one thing
She can’t dance
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
There is only one way you would know that. You have all my pity.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
NO on no!
I saw a clip on a news show
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Nancy Grace went to law school after her fiance was murdered.
It’s still hard to dredge up much sympathy for her.
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Didn't know that
does give me some new perspective on her.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I saw her story on Dateline like 2 years ago it seems. She is a freak in the bedroom. I was impressed.
She’s a free woman. Go for it!
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
she is too young for me
I am old now. I have realized that i look at 35-45 year olds now and say “hmm, not so bad” to myself.
she totally killed that girl though.
as long as age comes with money, you are never too old for anyone except for a child, and even then it is only morality, decency, and law that is the limiting factor
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
How much for the women?
How much for the little girl?
/Blues Brothers
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
love that movie
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
She has been in prison since the November 2007 slaying of the 21-year-old Kercher, whose throat was slashed in what authorities described as a sex game gone wrong.
What could go wrong?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
if there is one thing i have learned in life....
is that in situations like that girl on girl play can be extreme and they will do cruel things to each other that a guy could never normally do to a girl.
so you are saying...
her watch is set to BST
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure how this means shes not Amber Heard
if the roles she’s played are any indication.
The official Hollywood publicist position is: she didn’t do it. That is according to the three women who surround my office and are discussing the case.
Thank you, Hollywood publicists.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
did you see the one I tweeted the other day with the dudes playing with Foam swords and shit.
They do it every Saturday.
Almost convinced me to never take my kid back to that park
you have LARPers in your park?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Is that what they’re called?
Like 15 dudes with swords and shields standing around for like 15 minutes and then a couple break off and act like they’re gonna kill each other.
One of em had on Football pants with thigh pads and knee pads and was wearing a mouthpiece.
Too funny
lol
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Live Action Role Players
bascially acting like they’re playing WoW in real life.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Is that what the kids’ are calling it these days?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
dynamite was invented for a reason
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It is on the side of my house in the corner next to the fence. no room to work. I have dug out 14 stumps with 2 to go. i want the satisfaction dammit!
We just took down a large pepper tree in the front yard which was beginning to lift up the nieghbors concrete. Sawed most of that bitch down by hand, bagged the bits and pieces then pulled out the chain saw and ropes for the big stuff. Pretty scary to send huge chunks of a tree flying down from 30-40 feet up. Did most of the digging on the stump but it was just too much effort for two people with only axes and spades so we paid a tree service $150 to take the stump out and haul it away. Took three of them a good 2-3 hours to do it and pull it out with their truck so I didn’t feel too bad about the money spent. Original estimate on the complete job was $1300.
Amazing part was… nobody lost any limbs and none of the surrounding property or shrubbery was damaged. One saw blade did meet its maker though. I’ll keep you in mind for the next tree.
uh.. you live too far
and we would have a discussion about how great city of l.a. is and then fight. would not be worth it.
which side would you be on?
If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.
I could, but then, I’d have to figure out how to tweet a picture, and I’m afraid I can’t be bothered.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
Don’t be afraid
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I’m not afraid.
I fear only one thing, and that is the Spanish Armada.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
Or a Spanish Ramada. That might be scary too.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I once drove past a motor inn that was once a Ramada, but was now unaffiliated. The new owner had obviously simply swapped two letters on his signage and now operated the ARMADA inn.
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Much like all the JONS supermarkets.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
That is only the second-best two-letter signage reversal I know of.
On Overland, you can see the Crapi apartments.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
I've seen that!
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
What a great nickname possibility
How awesome would it be to have The Dutch Rudder and The Spanish Armada on the same team?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
There have been
four Spaniards in MLB, at least by birthplace. I would like the next Spanish player to be an awesome strikeout pitcher we could nickname The Spanish Inquisition.
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because
nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Lilly needs to be Spanish
He could be The Spanish Fly
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
No good.
I’ve known too many Spaniards.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
by Nolij on Oct 3, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder why every trial about murder needs all this press coverage
I think about stupid ass weddings too.
Jansen
Does he have two options left? I thought he was up and down both in 2010 and this season.
Fantastic work!!!
Yes
For those wondering
Kenley Jansen was optioned on May 1, but returned a few days later, on May 6, to replace an injured Jonathan Broxton. Because it was under 20 days, the "optional assignment" did not count, and Jansen got full credit for service time for those five missed days as if he never left.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 3, 2011 1:06 PM PDT
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Kinda sad to see we’re only paying 7(or 8 if you’re a Loney guy) players in 2012 and we’ve got almost no money to spend.
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Jose Valverde dos not disappoint
"It’s over for the Yankees. No more. One hundred percent. I want it over, because I want my team in the second round."
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Dude was Gagneish this season. He did not disappoint them either.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
He had a Jose Valverde year he just melted down at the right times.
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I told you
Quit eating at Del Taco
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
you need to season it
/HJ
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the subtlety of good humor
it would have been perfect without the /HJ
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
if I'm perfect
i’ll have nothing to shoot for next time.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Dr. Pepper would restore your soul after the butterface comment.
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i've never actually used the term before today
apologies if I actually offended anyone.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
It's all gone, sept the coach
BillShaikin: #Angels cleaning house, dismiss assistant GM Ken Forsch, special asst Gary Sutherland (via @mikedigiovanna) http://t.co/VaGh8BIh
BURN IT ALL!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
How they dismissed Ken
“Pfft. He wasn’t nearly as good as his brother, Bob.”
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
It is funny to me that the
Angels are doing things that one would think the Dodgers would be doing if not for the ownership issue.
BillShaikin
#Angels cleaning house, dismiss assistant GM Ken Forsch, special asst Gary Sutherland (via @mikedigiovanna) lat.ms/pDjj7A
Except the Dodgers wouldn’t stop at one special assistant.
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It would take them weeks
to fire them all
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Ned leaves special Assistants around Dodger Stadium
like my senile grandmother left pastries around our house. We were finding them for 6 weeks after she left.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
“Why are there cookies in my sock drawer?”
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
This comment is one R away from being a very interesting and probably disgusting story.
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I double checked!
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Do you mean that it is an R away from an X?
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t have the heart to say it first, but will jump on the bandwagon
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t order that at a place that was on kitchen nightmares.
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5 yard penalty for HJ baiting, repeat the comment, 1st down
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
You are trying to make us visualize your mother’s vagina? Sicko!
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nah, linguine has a flat edge, that looks round
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
That one olive
looks like it sat up and took notice
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I warned
“5 yard penalty for HJ baiting”
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
"Go 'way, baitin'!"
/Idiocracy
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oh my pic was definitely of spaghetti. I’m eating linguine right now, it loses a bit of shape in cooking but it’s definitely more flat than round
Just like the earth!
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I thought I was the luddite around here
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
it loses a bit of shape in cooking
don’t overcook doll, it’s not English food
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I usually stop when I can throw a piece against the wall and it sticks, but I was doing other things at the same time
melting chocolate?
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that sentence is rich with pronouns and filled with potential
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d like to see your wall
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
at my old co-op in Berkeley, I can point out pieces of spaghetti I threw against the ceiling 5 years ago that are still there
shakes head
you know honey, in Italian households we just bite it to tell when it is almost done, and almost done is done, because it still cooks while you are stopping it from cooking
when you bite – look for a little tiny bit of white in the center
it will also start to give off a little more aroma as it gets closer to done
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
yes, set your timer 2 minutes short of that, depending on your stove, cook times can vary a bit
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
"Most time are on the box, no?"
/TWSS
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It’s usually wrong and it varies based on how much heat you’re actually applying.
I generally start tasting at 2 minutes minus what the box says.
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If I didn't know better
I’d swear you were describing sex
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Mario Batali has a disturbing quote on the subject, which I find more creepy than charming
something to the effect of “Cooking and Sex are the two way you can put something inside of someone you love”
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
sexception
I’m assuming that already exists. No I will not google it.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Thus “al dente” = “to the tooth”.
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overcooked pasta will stick too
it is a bad and dirty habit
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless Sophia Loren is doing it
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When it comes to cooking pasta right, I’m gonna listen to the folks with the nonna, not the gram.
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I assume you all know what “Putana” means
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I know
what I want it to mean
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
In
A Series of Unfortunate Events, they make pasta putanesca, and the boy says it means pasta with very few ingredients. I didn’t believe him. And thus I fell in love with my favorite dish.
Is it like “puta” in Spanish?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
see whores didn’t have a lot of money, so pasta made with the cheap ingredients you just have lying around is pasta puttanesca. No meat, just tomatos, olives, capers, and anchovies
I just dig chicks that like spaghetti and are DTF
by keithc13 on Oct 3, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't particularly go for names of dishes
that are beyond the descriptive nature of the food itself.
…the whores, or the meal?
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maybe Marty's Grandma's last name
is Lovett
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I only saw my grandmother the one time
I was 11 and I distinctly remember thinking “She looks dead”
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Yankees Lineup
Jeter SS
Granderson CF
Cano 2B
Rodriguez 3B
Teixeira 1B
Swisher RF
Posada DH
Martin C
Gardner LF
Sabathia P
Tigers Lineup
Jackson CF
Santiago 2B
Young LF
Cabrera 1B
Martinez DH
Ordonez RF
Peralta SS
Avila C
Inge 3B
Verlander P
I’d have to think Tigers fans are as upset about Santiago in the two-hole as we are about Miles in the five.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Tigers fans think Jim Leyland went senile long ago. That top three is awful.
They have the two best hitters with RISP in baseball and they didn’t score a billion runs because you have Austin Jackson setting the table.
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Does he bake?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
LOL
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Idiot wind?
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by Humma Kavula on Oct 3, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This should cure my boredom
On Saturday I had my first ever slice of watermelon and first ever grapes.
/blameiiidown
///butreallyblamemother
Just about the craziest thing I have ever heard from an American boy born and raised Southern California.
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Agree
This is beyond believeable
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
akin to saying first time I breathed air not in a can
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
air comes in a can? Why was I not informed of this?
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More importantly, can you huff it?
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If there's one thing I've learned in life
it’s that you can huff anything.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Especially
fly balls!
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by David Young on Oct 3, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Never gets old. Ever.
Especially since he didn’t break his face or anything.
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soooooooo
you’re parents don’t believe in eating fruit?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
and you're 6'2"?
reminds me of Bart drinking that soda.
“sweet taste, some monsterism”
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
All grapes are great
I remember when seedless grapes (and oranges) were a novelty
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Throwing grapes at Dodger patrons has a long and storied history.
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jesus – called out the name and everything
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I like black table grapes the best.
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Never eaten a grape?
My mouth’s agape.
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Hey, you know what else sucks?
Pumpkin pie. You know what else sucks? Boobs.
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I see the words “suck” and “boobs” in close proximity with some frequency, but never juxtaposed that way.
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It landed.
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yeah Tom Joad, we all had high school english too
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
{puts hands in pockets, whistles to himself, walks away}
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
There is no statute of limitations if we call social services on iiidown right? That’s just bad parenting.
The rest of you should just do what BH does, you will all be better for it
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you own a Droid or Iphone
Begin
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Neither
I have a cheap LG free phone. It doesn’t do anything but barely make a phone call
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
not yet
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t care about those people who would use one
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Why you pimpin Windows 7 Phone when you don’t use it?
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It deserves the respect it doesn't get
for non tech oriented people its the phone I would recommend(fuck apple)
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
The non tech oriented people I know are quite happy with their Apple products. My wife loves her iPhone and the Mac we have at home.
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This
Apple has perfected the refrigerator model for technology. Nobody wants to know how it works, nobody wants to deal with support, they just want it to run.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Apple is a horrible company
that I can only hope dies in a fire. Doesn’t mean they make bad products, but Windows Phone 7 is very very good.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I've heard the same said about Microsoft
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Microsoft has changed a lot in the last decade and half
Apple has firmly taken Microsofts old place as the biggest assholes now.
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I have a Droid
cheaper than an iPhone and I like it but I don’t have the one with the greatest memory, can’t do everything higher end droid phones can.
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first time I've heard
someone satisfied with blackberry in a long long time
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I am old
I don’t participate in social media beyond this site
email functionality is the only thing I want in my phone. I don’t really care about anything else
I hate upgrading, I want technology to last me forever
I like buttons and don’t want to leave smudge marks on my screen
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
You can get Android phones
with keyboards, just most people I know who used to love Blackberry have soured on it for one reason or another.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
The smudges wipe right off my touchscreen rather nicely. You could stylishly wear a handkerchief in your pocket, but use it to wipe your screen instead of your nose.
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IPhone 3G. But we bought them after the 4 was out, so they were double-digit in price. $49? $69?
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By the time my draft spot came around
all that was left was Nokia.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
More importantly, who waived Samsung droid?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
The Bender series is cool because the default ringtone asks you to kiss its shiny metal ass.
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You have got to be kidding me. I hate Apple.
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That is true!
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Well, except Life cereal. That shit is delicious.
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I've never tasted
Life Cereal
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
But on the other hand
He doesn’t respect anything
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
If life has taught me anything, it is this:
There is nothing worth doing. You do things anyway, only to regret it. Then you die.
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is that what it says?
from what I read it sounds like Sprint is getting into the Iphone game, but not exclusive.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Quick search of the internet seems to confirm Sprint is getting in on the iPhone game, only rumors so far that it is an exclusive.
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That seems like suicide.
Or a very good reason to get rid of AT&T
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OK, so it's not like I love AT&T.
Why wouldn’t I dump my AT&T iphone 3G and go with the Sprint iPhone 5?
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because of your contract?
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nolander hates all companies that start with “a”!
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SCREW YOU ALCOA
AND I HAVE MY EYE ON YOU BASF
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Alcoa dying in a fire
would be a helluva fire
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
This article claims Baker and Burke invented the high five
and then on page two admits it was probably invented many times
http://theweek.com/article/index/218844/the-birth-of-the-high-five
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Pretty much
the definition of journalism
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
just like in ancient Greek
tas men oun eikonas tôn hippeôn ouk echô saphôs eipein, eite hoi paides eisin hoi Xenophôntos eite allôs es euprepeian pepoiêmenai. tôn de propulaiôn en dexia Nikês estin Apterou naos.
Those guys could never make up their mind
this is truly a boring creation myth that many find fascinating
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
So Reid Brignac is Dee Gordon's brother?
Well, he’s like a brother to him at least.
??
RT @SkinnySwag9 Good afternoon family! I’m watching my big bro @reidbrignac play the #Rangers… @DAVIDprice14 is carving tho!!!
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More than he does Dee Gordon's brother, that's for sure!
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Strangely in the “draft” section on Bref they still have the Rays as the Devil Rays.
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For all years, or just the years they were still the Devil Rays?
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Rangers in a pickle?
Lose Cliff lee
Seems like they will lose Wilson
Traded top two pitching prospect not named Perez for Relief
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Not that exciting but Jim Callis tweeted back to me re their next org prospect ranking list
@jimcallisBA
Yes, in Prospect Hbk & again in spring. @craigary: Speaking of system rankings, will BA do a winter update of its org talent rankings?
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In a year that has seen two of the four major leagues have lockouts
and the third league having lost an entire season not 5 five years ago, why isn’t this getting more play?
December 11: MLB collective bargaining agreement expires
Especially considering the situation the Mets and Dodgers are in, the fact that the Marlins are getting a new stadium without actually guaranteeing higher payrolls, and the Yankees still spending over the $200mil threshhold.
Because MLB teams don’t lose money and the players union isn’t a complete joke so everyone is fairly happy.
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why isn’t this getting more play?
Because it is expected that management and labor will come to an agreement on time and amicably.
If that were not expected, both sides would be rattling sabers. No sabers are rattling.
That said, nothing is given until the deal is signed.
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Can’t even count the dates after Dec 11 as fact because who knows if those deadlines and processes will even exist after the CBA? Sure, it’s assumed, but I imagine there will be at least one hardline issue that both argue about: draft pick compensation and the ability to trade picks.
the reallignment talks, the playoff expansion talk, that’s all coming out of the CBA meetings. They’re been hammering out the details since February
Quietly.
and I suppose no news is good new, but I’ll believe it when I see it. I imagine by 2012 the NL and AL will be completely changed and we’ll be both excited and pissed that the leagues have become more titles than actual division.
My main question is, if Pujols plays first, and Fielder DHs, should we still play Loney in left field?
Do
the AL and NL still have their own commissioners? It amazes me that the one thing you never hear come up is merging the leagues
I believe they used to have league “presidents”. There was only one commissioner.
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I would seriously like to see that: one 30-team league. X teams move on. Australian Rules Football playoff system.
I dislike this sorta-kinda dumping of the historical AL and NL. Either keep the leagues or do not.
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I love the sport of baseball, I love the product MLB puts out there. But it really is a ‘57 Chevy with a brand new engine. Sure it looks like it used to, but it doesn’t sound the same.
She just wanted to use an analogy she heard once and decided to apply it to baseball.
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Ah, more throwing it against the wall and seeing what sticks
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
oh come on, everyone’s wearing the same laundry but the rules of the competition are completely different. It totally fits!
As compared to the days of Jim Creighton sure.
There hasn’t been a major rule change in ages.
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We’ve had 39 seasons of the DH.
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they make the designation of AL and NL not as important. They could be AC and NC and not much of a beat would change.
Teams come, teams go, the basic tenants of the game stays the same.
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I guess everyone here misunderstood your analogy.
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most of MLB’s rule changes since 1975 or so have been new paint jobs on the ol’ chevy, not really replacing any part.
Sport or league?
I love the sport of baseball, I love the product MLB puts out there. But it really is a ‘57 Chevy with a brand new engine.
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If you had only used a 46 Chevy you’d have been right on target.
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If anyone is going to sell old cars, it’s Bud Selig.
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Is the AFC and
NFC important, how about the Western Conference and Eastern Conference in the NBA.
Of the 30 teams in MLB, only one is not playing in the original league it was part of, for the other ones, historically it matters if the Yankees are in the American League and the Dodgers are in the National League.
Except that all star game counting nonsense
Fuck that noise
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Yes
interleague play changed the game but not as much as AFL merging with the NFL in 1970 or the ABA folding and sending teams into the NBA.
Splitting to 3 divisions and adding two more W/C teams also added something but only 1 team switched leagues (Milwaukee).
In 1895, you could bunt a ball, and as long as it bounced once in fair territory, that was considered a fair ball, no matter what happened after that.
There was a dude that perfected the one-bounce-then-foul bunt. He hit over .400. In 1896, the rule changed, and he was out of baseball within a couple of years.
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like an actor with a bad voice at the end of the silent era
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Lina Lamont!
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
People! I ain’t people! I am a shimmering, glowing star in the cinema firmament.
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I'm pretty sure
that, short of actually having sex with a male, I can out-gay most gay people.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I’ve heard this story a few times but never with a name attached to it, any clue who it was?
By brief look through BRef leads me to believe it might be Tuck Turner.
For everything that changes
MLB has changed the least between them, the NFL, NBA and NHL in terms of alignment.
What would be the equiv of the 3 point shot?
two runs if the ball travels over 450 feet?
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1.5 runs. ;-). That would fuck up over/under lines.
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24 second clock?
hand checking?
Pass interference?
Roughing the passer?
blah, blah, blah
our game is TIMELESS
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
The 154 game
schedule was in place since 1907 or so, it increased 5-6% (8 games) in 1961 and hasn’t changed in 50 years.
and everything else
well, I don’t know shit about Hockey
But football and basketball have changed far more in terms of game play than baseball ever has
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
They don’t use a puck and stick anymore?
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I wouldn't know
not a Canadian
I also pee standing up and eat red meat
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Back bacon, the other white meat, eh?
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It was strange for HJ to add that, since all Canadians hunt, skin, dress, and eat all their own meat. Canuck would post more except he has to spend 2-3 hours in hunter mode.
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Jeeez
Ok, ok, freaks….
I also pee standing up and believe in unprovoked acts of aggression in support of my business interest abroad
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
America
FUCK YEAH!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s a knock at the door.
Rangers: Who’s there?
Opportunity: It’s me bro.
Rangers: Nobody’s here go away.
I hate postseason batting averages
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You fail to appreciate that the sample size, however small, shows just how that player is reacting to the post season
there is not better mirror into the soul of players than post season numbers
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Desmond Jennings’ soul is awesome.
Unless he gets out here, then he sucks.
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Did Ted ever coach the Rangers? Or just the Senators?
What about the Pilots?
I know this stuff, now so confused
damn, Phil and his game 162….
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
One year
54 – 100
In 69 he was great, by 72 he needed to go fishing
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“How come you assholes can’t hit? Look, just do it like me. I’m TED FUCKING WILLIAMS!”
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This game is easy!
If you see 63 stitches, it’s a curveball. If you only see 58, it’s a fastball. What’s the fucking problem?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
by mleadman on Oct 3, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This fucking game is not that fucking easy!
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HITNG?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
quite the spiral
86
70
63
54
Luckily I only saw 86
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That '71 team was terrible
Not that these are be-all, end-all stats, but the general tone is set.
Team offense: .217 / .290 / .290 / .581, 77 OPS+
Team pitching: ERA 3.53, ERA+ 86
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The whole team hit like Aaron Miles. Yeesh.
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alot of the same players from 69. Epstein got traded mid – season. I think if you check it out you will that a whole bunch of journeyman had career years in 69 for them. Players like Brent Alyea, Ed Stroud, Brinkman, even McMullen. Two great hitters in Howard and Epstein, everyone else fell back into bad habits.
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Almost all those players were gone by ’71. Only four position players 30 or over saw the plate: Howard, Don Mincher, Ted Kubiak, Marty Martinez.
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Don Mincher sounds like a character on Mad Men
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Ted is a nickname that has totally gone out of style. With the exception of Mr. Lilly… most Theodores these days choose Theo, no?
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I know me some Teds
the only Theos I know are Epstein and Huxtable
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
69 and 71
Tim Cullen
Paul Casanova
Bernia Allen
Del Unser
Howard
Epstein
The 71 team was transitioning to a younger model, with Dave Nelson, Toby Harrah, Tom Grieve, and future MVP Jeff Burroughs.
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Wasn’t part of the story of Ted Williams’ demise as a manager that the anti-Williams faction of the clubhouse got Toby Harrah and the young bunch to turn against Williams?
I’m sure there was more to it, but that’s the soundbite version I remember.
By then they were in Texas and I was in California so I don’t know. I do know in 69 he was a God in Washington.
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Jesus I'm Josie-d today
Everything I quoted is for Williams last team, the 1972 Rangers.
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It seems that there has been a deleted post.
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Vaginas? I like a girl who likes Spaghetti and is DTF. Idiot Wind?
Bob Dylan, basic pasta and cootch. That’s not bad living.
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Deer Tanned Cowhide
How I have contemplated those words
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Ya know that just makes you wonder how many horses gave it up for us to enjoy this game. Downright neighborly of them.
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They use everything
but the whinny!
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Mr. Anaheim strikes back
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Every time Napoli swings
I hear a faint “Fuck You Scoscia”
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I would argue the last rule to effectively change how the game was played would be in 1971 when helmets were made mandatory. Before that, 1969 when the mound was lowered.
You mean besides the DH in 1973?
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and greenies
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Meh
If you drink enough red bulls….
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I don’t believe wings are expressly forbidden.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Caffeine is not banned, however:
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/09/25/mlb-has-issue-with-energy-drinks/
I expect it may be after this CBA.
Yeah, but I think the actual gameplay continues onward. You still see bad #8 and 9 hitters, and the fast but OBP-lite guy still hits leadoff. You just have to deal with the #7 hitter who would’ve otherwise been a #6 hitter.
The helmet changed how pitchers pitched and how hitters hit.
Hmmmm. Expos – Devil Rays? It’s imperfect either way.
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The Rays are the renamed Devil Rays, same franchise. The Nationals are the renamed and relocated Expos, same franchise.
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Confusing myself. Newfangled baseball and all its goddamn changes!
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I think I've found my point
If MLB in the new CBA decides to move the Arizona Diamondbacks to the AL, then it’s time to start considering just merging the leagues altogether.
they aren't the original Senators though
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 3, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Where do you see the Nationals?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
They played a game today
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by meercatjohn on Oct 3, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Clearly the source of my confusion!
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Does it bother anyone else when stories about the McCourt Desperation Train tries for hail mary passes always say things like “The Dodgers ask the judge to reverse his decision?” I want that buffoon gone so badly, it hurts.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I’m not saying it isn’t correct. But it’s continuing Frank’s running the brand into the ground.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I think most right minded think that Frank and the Dodgers are ultimately two different things and as long as this process ends with him doing, this will be about him and not the team
I can’t care, if I cared about this I’d be force to care about other stuff, so I choose not to care much about any of it
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Vaffanculo Micele Napoli. Che faccio di Cazzo
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
One could say that the Angels cleansing could be put at the footstep of one Mike Napoli. I’m guessing Mr Owner looked down from his box saw a slugging Napoli, saw Vernon Wells and said God Dammit, someone is going to pay for this. And I want more then one head.
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But not Mikey
Can’t touch him
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Napoli hitting two dingers
to close out the season at Angels stadium really put the last nail in the coffin.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
If, in theory, Mike Scioscia were to be fired as part of this Moreno tantrum, how soon do you fire Don Mattingly and hire Scioscia?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I probably don’t
Why fire one bunter for another – I like that this team played hard all year
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I never want
to see Scioscia managing the Dodgers
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Never. Stay far away from any manager that’s been labelled as a savior. General cycle goes like this
-Manager leads team that exceeds expectations. He gets credit instead of the players
-After enough people tell the manager he’s smart he starts thinking what the team needs is even more of his ideas
-Mike Napoli is traded for Vernon Wells
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by regfairfield on Oct 3, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is how you end up
with Clint Hurdle
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Clint Hurdle wouldn’t make his first order of business “acquire Carlos Zambrano”
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No, but
It might be “sign Aaron Miles longterm”
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
But then you can just go “shut up Clint” and move on because no one cares what Clint Hurdle thinks and he’s signed to a short term contract so he should know not to rock the boat.
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They’re totally gonna name Scioscia manager/GM.
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Who was the last manager/GM in MLB? Whitey Herzog?
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It would happen faster than McCourt could fire a PR guy.
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that would be like an old west gunfight
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
More confusion in this thread then I’ve seen in a long time.
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We miss Dodger baseball and you mind fucked us today with game 162
there are consequences for actions Phil, not even the Meetcat gets a pass
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Three words, two callbacks and a reference to yet another thing. Well played.
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Things I didn't know before today
1.04
THE PLAYING FIELD. The field shall be laid out according to the instructions below, supplemented by Diagrams No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 on adjoining pages. The infield shall be a 90-foot square. The outfield shall be the area between two foul lines formed by extending two sides of the square, as in Diagram 1. The distance from home base to the nearest fence, stand or other obstruction on fair territory shall be 250 feet or more. A distance of 320 feet or more along the foul lines, and 400 feet or more to center field is preferable. The infield shall be graded so that the base lines and home plate are level. The pitcher’s plate shall be 10 inches above the level of home plate. The degree of slope from a point 6 inches in front of the pitcher’s plate to a point 6 feet toward home plate shall be 1 inch to 1 foot, and such degree of slope shall be uniform. The infield and outfield, including the boundary lines, are fair territory and all other area is foul territory. It is desirable that the line from home base through the pitchers plate to second base shall run East-Northeast. It is recommended that the distance from home base to the backstop, and from the base lines to the nearest fence, stand or other obstruction on foul territory shall be 60 feet or more. See Diagram 1. When location of home base is determined, with a steel tape measure 127 feet, 338 inches in desired direction to establish second base. From home base, measure 90 feet toward first base; from second base, measure 90 feet toward first base; the intersection of these lines establishes first base. From home base, measure 90 feet toward third base; from second base, measure 90 feet toward third base; the intersection of these lines establishes third base. The distance between first base and third base is 127 feet, 338 inches. All measurements from home base shall be taken from the point where the first and third base lines intersect. The catcher’s box, the batters’ boxes, the coaches’ boxes, the three-foot first base lines and the next batter’s boxes shall be laid out as shown in Diagrams 1 and 2. The foul lines and all other playing lines indicated in the diagrams by solid black lines shall be marked with wet, unslaked lime, chalk or other white material. The grass lines and dimensions shown on the diagrams are those used in many fields, but they are not mandatory and each club shall determine the size and shape of the grassed and bare areas of its playing field.
NOTE (a) Any Playing Field constructed by a professional club after June 1, 1958, shall provide a minimum distance of 325 feet from home base to the nearest fence, stand or other obstruction on the right and left field foul lines, and a minimum distance of 400 feet to the center field fence. (b) No existing playing field shall be remodeled after June 1, 1958, in such manner as to reduce the distance from home base to the foul poles and to the center field fence below the minimum specified in paragraph (a) above.
So no team since the Dodgers and Giants moved West has been able to have a field less than 325-400-325, and if the Red Sox ever decided to build a new stadium, they couldn’t have Pesky Pole or the Green Monster as tributes at their current dimensions. Plus, if they DO maintain the monster as a tribute but put it at 325 feet, GFY offense.
Not “constructed by a professional club” ?
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I believe, but could be wrong, that several teams have been granted waivers to that particular rule.
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I think you can get special dispensation from this rule, which makes it kinda a stupid rule
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I bet that if the Red Sox ever had to move parks for some reason that they’d let them build a park with the exact same dimensions.
There’s only one rational way to settle this – a head-to-head Model UN Battle Royale. The rules to which… I would have to spend the evening devising" was a fantastic line that he delivered so perfectly.
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Hot Asian Annie was a great concept, but I found the show the weakest they have ever delivered.
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Britta’s storyline, while fitting with her backstory, was so out of character. That rage against the machine speech? When has she ever acted like that?
Lots of em
in California
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
For some reason that was the first thing that came to mind for me just now (though I’ve seen this same image a few times before).
Clearly it’s your current environment.
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Was he tweeting about Thuthuthudio?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Heh.
And he can’t blame his pants for tweeting that one.
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Bases loaded, one out for St. Pete.
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I remember some friends going nuts that the Angels let Sean Rodriguez go, and me saying something to the effect of “yeah, but you got Scott Kazmir, he’s got four out pitches and will be really really good for you guys if he just attacks the strike zone”.
He didn’t.
I liked the gamble by the Angels to get Kazmir, and I liked it from Tampa’s spot too. Seemed like it could have been a win-win. I didn’t realize Kazmir was donezo though.
oh, he's not
he’s winning NL Comeback Player of the Year when he goes 12-11 for the 2012 Dodgers as an NRI on a $1mil contract
no one really misses sean rodriguez do they?
izturis callaspo kendrick and aybar are as good or better
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so they only had 3 players who played the positions he could play
and better :-p. They might have missed him last year when all 4 of those guys slumped for them though.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
with that ground out, even with the run scoring, the Rangers win probability on ESPN when from 72% to 75%
don’t make outs
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I heard that last part in Brad Pitt’s voice.
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Can something be so false that it goes back around to true?
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Well considering there is no professional basketball and the own the rights to the Dodger games…I say Lakers
by Hollywood Joe on Oct 3, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Aren't they all limited to 14 or 15 characters or something?
@DavidYoungTBLA is the same length as @MLBonESPNRadio
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that's truth
I always thought ESPN’s mandated handles like @JennBrownESPN just made them more difficult to share. Like when you’re 13, and you’re creating your first email address, and you don’t realize how much an underscore is going to screw everyone up
Josie_Becker1985@aol.com was impossible to share (no, that adress doesn’t actually exist
Desmond Jennings says
I got your adjustment right here.
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bubbaprog: And that gives Desmond Jennings more homers in 2011 than Carl Crawford, in 64 fewer games played.
TVGugs: When you think of the future, imagine Evan Longoria, Desmond Jennings and Matt Moore stomping on the Red Sox’ collective face, forever.
Red Sox are more hated than the Yankees now?
or was that just because he mentioned Crawford…
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
That was huge.
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I don't remember him ever looking that poor
Very bad.
Gonzalez came in and did his job though.
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Jennings is older
at 24 and 11 months than two of his teammates, Upton and Longoria who also hit two home runs within their first 4 career playoff games.
Can you name the youngest players for both the National and American League who hit 2 home runs in a playoff game?
In my world
they are all the same (and in both cases, it is in the World Series), Jones is the youngest at 19.
For the non-World Series games it is Longoria in the AL at 22 (almost 23) and Chipper Jones at 24.
I will add that
all leagues differentiate between their playoffs and championship game/round when it comes to their records. But they will merge them at times too.
NBA
does have distinct records for the rounds, NFL has Super Bowl records, not sure about NHL since they tend to call the whole thing the Stanley Cup playoffs.
MLB probably has them broken down by round too.
The youngest AL player to hit two home runs in a post season game
is Tony Kubek who was 21 when he hit two against Milwaukee in the 1957 World Series.
Octavio Dotel = Type A reliever???
per that MLBTR link. Did I just not pay attention this year?
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