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Aramis Ramirez To Become A Free Agent, Plus Other Hot Stove News

The World Series is over, but a few pieces of baseball news have trickled out over the last day or so.

The Chicago Cubs exercised their half of their mutual option for 2012 for third baseman Aramis Ramirez, worth $16 million, but Ramirez plans to opt out, and will become a free agent. Bruce Levine at ESPN Chicago has the details. For a team like the Dodgers looking for an impact bat, but not willing or able to dive into the deep end of the free agent pool, Ramirez is certainly an option. Ramirez had a bad 2010 (.241/.294/.452), but he has had a slugging percentage of .510 or higher for seven of the last eight years, and over the last eight years has hit .297/.359/.533 (a 127 OPS+), averaging 28 home runs and 96 RBI per year. Ramirez turns 34 in June.

In National League West news, the San Francisco Giants paid big money to keep a pair of left-handed relievers on Sunday. Javier Lopez signed a two-year deal worth $8.5 million, and the Giants exercised their $5 million option for 2012 on Jeremy Affeldt. Hank Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle has the details.

The Colorado Rockies and Jason Giambi both exercised a mutual option on Saturday that will bring back the soon-to-be 41-year old for $1 million, per Troy Renck of the Denver Post. As a pinch hitter and occasional starter at first base for Colorado last season, Giambi hit .260/.355/.603 with 13 home runs, a number that would have ranked third on the Dodgers. Giambi was the second player 40 years old or older in MLB history to slug at least .600 in a season (minimum 150 plate appearances), joining Ted Williams, who had a .645 slugging percentage at age 41 in 390 plate appearances for the 1960 Boston Red Sox.

Finally, what a way to go out. After winning his third World Series on Friday, St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony LaRussa retired this morning after 33 years as manager. He is one of two men to manage over 5,000 games in MLB, along with Connie Mack. LaRussa is third all-time with 2,728 wins, behind only Mack and John McGraw.

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Added a note about Jason Giambi above as well

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 9:03 AM PDT reply actions  

I hope it has nothing to do with his choice of underwear.

by fbihop on Oct 31, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just checked Javier Lopez’s numbers. He didn’t give up a single HR this year. Gonna love when that regresses next year.

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by Ivdown on Oct 31, 2011 9:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Braves options

They picked up Eric Hinske’s option for $1.5 million, and declined Nate McLouth’s $10.65 million option, instead paying him a $1.25 million buyout, per David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 9:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Sucks, I wanted Hinske.

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by regfairfield on Oct 31, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I feel it needs to be said

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=96&position=OF

Screw Andruw Jones.

I would have taken the number he’s put up the last 3 years with us in 2008. Sure we ended up getting Manny, but then came the extra trouble later in 2010 and deferred money and such.

Everything else aside, screw Andruw Jones.

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by Ivdown on Oct 31, 2011 9:21 AM PDT reply actions  

New MLB CBA expected by Wednesday night's FA open market opening

per Rosenthal:

Thus, a new labor agreement is expected by the time the free-agent market opens at 12:01 a.m. Thursday, enabling certain new rules governing free agency to take effect.

All that remains are the final details.

The draft, sources say, likely will be modified, not by hard slotting, but by a tax similar to the luxury tax on payrolls, with teams penalized for spending over a certain limit.

Draft-pick compensation for free agents also will change, with fewer restrictions on clubs that want to sign certain premier, or Type A, free agents. Some of those restrictions would ease immediately, sources say; other adjustments would take effect in 2012.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 9:34 AM PDT reply actions  

So the rich get richer?

Draft-pick compensation for free agents also will change, with fewer restrictions on clubs that want to sign certain premier, or Type A, free agents. Some of those restrictions would ease immediately, sources say; other adjustments would take effect in 2012.

by BFDC on Oct 31, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

that’s a player’s argument, not the teams. Players like Juan Cruz who would have gotten a bunch of offers but ended up having greatly diminished value because of their Type-A ness.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Derek Lowe traded to Cleveland, per Heyman

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 9:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Fausto Carmona wasn’t working out so they went with his drunken equivalent?

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by regfairfield on Oct 31, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I had no idea that Lowe had such a bad season. A bit unlucky (FIP 3.70, XFIP 3.65, ERA 5.05), but still.

One year left on his contract at $15 million according to B-Ref.

by fbihop on Oct 31, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Even if Lowe is that bad they’re a better team. They gave 36 starts to Mitch Talbot, David Huff, Zach McCallister and Jennmar Gonzalez, along with having Fausto get bombed most of the year.

If this is for nothing and the Braves eat most of the contract, it’s a good trade.

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by regfairfield on Oct 31, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Did Carolyn OK the trade?

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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Oct 31, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

From Buster Olney
Atlanta is absorbing all but $5 million of the money owed to Derek Lowe in this; second-line player return going from CLE to ATL.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who is an example of a second-line player?

by fbihop on Oct 31, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

So, the Braves will universally win this trade.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

The money was a sunk cost. They are saving $5 million

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like the trade for Cleveland.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Oct 31, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

They can trade Lowe’s husk at the trade deadline if they need to.

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

me too

Pick up a starter for $5 million, hope for a bounceback. Fair risk for them.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

From Keith Law:

Atlanta getting back an A-ball reliever in return for Lowe. So their real return is salary relief.

by fbihop on Oct 31, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good deal if they didn't give up much

I think Lowe can still be about average. I’m assuming some money was eaten?

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by Ivdown on Oct 31, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

le gasp

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 31, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chris Smith is the minor league pitcher, per Buster

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol, I got him confused with Chris Perez at first.

by eitherethier on Oct 31, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ramirez had a bad 2010

How was his 2011?

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Oct 31, 2011 9:44 AM PDT reply actions  

.306/.361/.510
26 HR, 93 RBI in 149 games
127 OPS+
35 doubles

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's very good

What can we get him for? 3/27? I’m out of my element here.

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Oct 31, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

He walked away from $16 million for 2012. I don’t expect he will get that per year or anything but he will want a 3-4 year deal at at least $10-12 million IMO.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I’m expecting 42/3

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was only off by 15 million

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Oct 31, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Numbers like that, I’m thinking somewhere closer to 4/60.

I’m already penciling this in as the worst signing of the offseason.

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by regfairfield on Oct 31, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

C.J. Wilson wonders why

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Edwin Jackson too.

Man there’s a lot of money to go around and not a lot to spend it on.

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by regfairfield on Oct 31, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

i can’t believe i am reading that someone will prolly pay him 60M

by delias man on Oct 31, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Edwin Jackson? No way in hell.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, there’s a way.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Edwin Jackson’s agent is Scott Boras. This is the same man that got Kyle Loshe’s 4 year/40 million contract.

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

“Shit we missed out on CJ Wilson and our number two starter is Bartolo Colon”

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by regfairfield on Oct 31, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Word.

“Shit, Lackey is out for a year. Do we really want to start Wakefield? Isn’t Daisuke a free agent next year?”

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

i hope you are right

by delias man on Oct 31, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

F that I hope he signs for $800 million over 20 years with anyone but us.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

wait until you see the deal we give Ryan Doumit.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would have signed Adam Dunn last year, and I would love to sign Aramis this year. I’m glad we get the chance to sign Aramis since we didn’t sign Adam.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

especially

since we direly need a third baseman

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 31, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

very good

offensively

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Oct 31, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

his defensive numbers don’t pass the eye test. He’s better over there than that. Plus, we had Aaron Miles, starting 3B.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think we should refer to Miles henceforth as Short Arm McGee

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heater Hunter will be his lastings millegacy

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heater Hunting Hobbit

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 31, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I rather they not go after Rameriez. They need to go after a better 1B option first.

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 9:49 AM PDT reply actions  

They’re re-signing Jim Loney.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, like I said. Better 1B option. :)

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d rather upgrade 3B where we are starting, well, no one.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

What about Juan Uribe? He’s making too much money to sit on the bench, at least initially.

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sunk cost fallacy or he plays second.

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by regfairfield on Oct 31, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

better option than the guy currently playing second. i guess.

by delias man on Oct 31, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

But there’s better 2nd base options in FA then they are at 3rd base.

Guys like Aaron Hill, Mark Ellis.

Heck, for about the same money, you can probably sign Jimmy Rollins and have Dee Gordon play second.

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Waiting for you to mention a better player than Aramis Ramirez

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jimmy Rollins did win a MVP.

And nobody I listed is going to cost as much as Ramirez, I’m just wary of doling out large contracts to 2nd/3rd tier talent, like the Dodgers traditionally do under Colletti. (Jason Schimdt, Nomar, etc.)

I rather spend what I have on elite talent, or just pocket it for a rainy day.

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I rather spend what I have on elite talent, or just pocket it for a rainy day.

I agree

by BFDC on Oct 31, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you can get long term deals from Kemp, Kershaw, and sign marginal talent to fill out the roster, I consider that a win.

Signing a guy like Ramirez, and then letting Kemp leave a year later does the team no good. I’m not saying its a strict either/or situation, but the team is still in a bankruptcy, there’s only so much money to go around.

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

It does the team good in 2012. Besides, you might pass on Aramis, et al and lose Kemp a year later anyway. At least this way you make a run while you still have a superstar (Kemp) in his prime.

by Michael White on Oct 31, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn’t that the thinking when signing Uribe. He had pop, he gets RBIs, etc. I think Regifield was the one who said that Uribe signed the 2nd highest free agent contract for a 2nd baseman.

Yeah, Ramirez is a good player, but he’s going to cost more than anybody else on the roster, plus he’s getting old. I don’t want to pay 16 mil a year for somebody’s 34-38 age seasons.

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

He won’t be signing a 5-year, $80 million deal.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Me neither, but I’ll do it for his 34 – 37 age seasons:)

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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 31, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Uribe was nowhere near Aramis

He has a .533 slugging the last 8 years with around a .360 or whatever it was OBP.

The similarities between Uribe and Aramis are that they are men that play 3B in the MLB, and they end there.

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by Ivdown on Oct 31, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh come on, they probably have at least a couple similar interests.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

how does Aramis

look leaning against a wall?

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Oct 31, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

They both collect old soda bottle caps from what I hear

Or I saw them both at the last convention anyway

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by Ivdown on Oct 31, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t mind putting a few years out there for a 3B. I mean have you seen our system. I don’t think we have 1 guy with the potential to take over at 3B.

by OB12 on Oct 31, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nomar’s contract wasn’t that big and Schmidt was a top-tier talent, who was be broken. An Aramis deal might be another Juan Pierre or it might not, but he’s definitely better than anyone else out there or anyone we have.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Oct 31, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

credit where credit is due, I think. Getting manny and Andruw for 2 years when they wanted more, and Schmidt for 3 when he was the best pitcher available and Zito got 6 years.

I have no explanations for Juan Pierre.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

an MVP he shouldn't have won (though a great year)

and he’s been much worse since (that was 07), and just had a year slugging under .400 this year with a just above average OBP. I hope the Giants pay him a ton.

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by Ivdown on Oct 31, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

an MVP he shouldn't have won (though a great year)

and he’s been much worse since (that was 07), and just had a year slugging under .400 this year with a just above average OBP. I hope the Giants pay him a ton.

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by Ivdown on Oct 31, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

For me an albatross of a contract is one that hinders a team from making moves that would help the team. Nomar’s contract did not do that.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 31, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

0% chance Dee Gordon plays 2B.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dee Gordon at 2B would be a waste I would think.

by OB12 on Oct 31, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t remember thinking his arm was that good. Excellent range plays at 2nd as well.

by Michael White on Oct 31, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s Jeter with range. It’s a good arm and plays at SS, but it’s not exceptional.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d rather have his range at SS.

by OB12 on Oct 31, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh no not this mark ellis argument again

by delias man on Oct 31, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Like I said, no one.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Caption

I’m a third baseman too, you know. and I have feelings.

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Oct 31, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

He said Jim Loney not James Loney

Jim is a beast!

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by Ivdown on Oct 31, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers have 30/1 odds to win the 2012 World Series, per Bodog.

Bodog also has the Dodgers at 12/1 to sign Pujols, the same odds as the Yankees, Red Sox, and Giants FWIW.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 10:02 AM PDT reply actions  

i hope the dodgers are mystery team on him this year

by delias man on Oct 31, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I already have my money on the 2015 Royals.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

how much did that guy who bet on the Cards winning it all get?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 31, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

That doesn’t include the 125K he won before the World Series, correct?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 31, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

He won $125k for the pennant, and $250k for the WS

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

The IRS is going to love having a word with him

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 31, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

A nice problem to have

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Oct 31, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

On a payout like that, he would have had to fill out a W-9 for the casino on the spot before receiving any money. I forget what the minimum is for that…something like $1,000

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup we call the cash be gone

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 31, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I won $3,000 on a slot machine a couple years back and while the Price is Right payout style of 30 $100 bills right there at the machine was awesome, I had to fill out a W-9 first.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

A little higher than that

My wife once hit a $1125 jackpot (circa five years ago) on a 25¢and didn’t fill out any paperwork while the cash was placed in her hand by the attendant. It was on this machine:


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 31, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Triple Zesty!

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Oct 31, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s $1,200 that you have to fill out a W-9. That’s why you’ll see a lot of machines that have payouts of $1,199 for a royal flush.

by VegasBlues on Oct 31, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s enough money to have Juan Castro come to your house for a year.

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Posting odds before teams are built is whack

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 31, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

If the Dodgers did nothing else this winter but simply extend Matt Kemp and Sign Aramis Ramirez to a stupid contract I would consider it a huge huge win.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 31, 2011 10:06 AM PDT reply actions  

FTMFW?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 31, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

FTMFHHW

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 31, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

For the Mother Fucking Huell Howser Win?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 31, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

“and here we are in beautiful Chavez Ravine in Los Angeles, California! We are here to see new Dodger third baseman Aramis Ramirez, who signed for $54 million worth of California gold.”

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

GOLD!!!

SWEET, BEAUTIFUL, GOLLLLDD!!!! EHEHEHHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 31, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

And Juan Uribe yewsed to play third base? That’s amazing!

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Oct 31, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Frank needs to get in line at the Federal Reserve

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Oct 31, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eric LeGrand, a former Rutgers football player who is paralyzed from the neck-down after making a tackle in 2010, led Rutgers out to the field before their game on Saturday. As the crowd chants, “52!”

That’s a YouTube link.

by fbihop on Oct 31, 2011 10:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Rutgers unis are bomb

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Oct 31, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

TLR going out on top

Next stop HOF

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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 31, 2011 10:22 AM PDT reply actions  

iHof? Do they serve pancakes?

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

With a brief stop in an intersection.

by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Oct 31, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Will be eligible in 2014, with Torre and Cox. Also that year, Glavine, Maddux, and Frank Thomas. Hell of a class

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really? LaRussa managed a year more than Torre or Cox. Shouldn’t that be 2015 for him?

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

You know Eric is right, it is just a matter of him explaining to us why’s he right.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 31, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

With managers it is different than players. The HOF put out a note this morning about LaRussa being eligible that year. I don’t know, that might be the next time the veterans committee considers managers.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why would managers and executives need toait 5 years?

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why would they have different rules from the players?

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because they are different from the players

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Oct 31, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because managers are different than players.

by fbihop on Oct 31, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

But isn’t the reason you need to wait is so that you put him in proper context?

If people are voting him in now are still riding high on this season, they might forget important facts like LaRussa sold poisoned milk to school children.

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by regfairfield on Oct 31, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought it was so they could be sure the bugger was really retired. Didn’t know it had anything to do with context.

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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 31, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

This was the reason why Parcells isn’t in the hall of fame yet.

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

On a serious tangent, I don’t think baseball separates on field management from the players. Baseball is the one sport where managers and coaches dress up in uniform, walk to on the field throughout the game, dictate/argue/converse with the umpires, and the same rules and regulations apply to managers as they do with players. (i.e. arguing against balls/strikes, etc.)

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here it is what I found from the Baseball HOF website for the Expansion Era:

Managers and umpires with 10 or more years in baseball and retired for at least five years. Candidates who are 65 years or older are eligible six months following retirement;

by fbihop on Oct 31, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess they only have to wait six months so they aren’t dead by the time if they had to wait five years?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 31, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jamie Moyer might test this to see if it happens for players too :)

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Julio Franco's

window has closed

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Oct 31, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

So wouldn't this have made Cox and Torre eligible this last year?

Or am i completely reading this wrong?

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by Ivdown on Oct 31, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

they have to wait until the expansion era committee meets anyways. which is only every 3 years

by delias man on Oct 31, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

The last vote was in October 2010, when Cox and Torre were still active

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

or at least not retired for 6 months

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

From HOF president Jeff Idelson this morning:

LaRussa retired today+the last cap he wore is in Coop. He’ll be eligible for HOF with Cox+Torre in 2014 as part of Expansion Era.

Expansion Era elects players ever 3 years. Last was October 2010 (inducted in 2011).

There is a five-year wait for managers and umpires, but candidates 65 years old or older only need to wait 6 months.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

My guess

Maddux makes it (isn’t RJ eligible that year too? and Clemens?) as does RJ, but Glavine, Thomas, and Clemens don’t make it first ballot. The first two don’t because “they aren’t first ballot worthy” and Clemens cause of the steroid allegations. The next year Glavine and Thomas make it.

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by Ivdown on Oct 31, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

In order for somebody to stay on the ballot but not make the HOF, they need to hit some percentage of voters. What if there are a bunch of stupid voters who all want Glavine in the HOF, but don’t want him in the first year? He therefore drops off the ballot.

That would almost be worth Glavine not getting in to teach people how stupid the “not first ballot worthy” thing is.

by Michael White on Oct 31, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

That never happens though.

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

How was the game? I see the BCS wasn’t impressed.

by kinbote on Oct 31, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t impressed either. Special teams looked great, but both offense and especially defense looked pedestrian. That being said, once they put in Bennett in the second half, WSU couldn’t stop Oregon. Not sure if Bennet has won the job for good, but he looked much better than Thomas.

by Michael White on Oct 31, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Those guys who dont want them in first year probably dont even make up 2% of the vote

by delias man on Oct 31, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I definitely don't agree with it, but people are this stupid

If you are a HOFer you should go in first ballot, not purposefully 2nd ballot.

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by Ivdown on Oct 31, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

2015

Features Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Gary Sheffield, John Smoltz

In 2016, throw in Ken Griffy Jr., Trevor Hoffman and Andy Pettitte.

Plus in 2014, you’ll have some of Barry Bonds, Clemens, Biggio, Schilling, Sosa, Piazza still around.

by fbihop on Oct 31, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Glavine makes it easily on the first ballot.

Randy Johnson isn’t eligible until 2015.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought they all retired same year, guess Johnson stuck around another year

I think Glavine is a HOFer, but for some reason I think he won’t make the first ballot.

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by Ivdown on Oct 31, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heck of a Stanford / USC game. In all the sports in all the worlds no one has a better tie breaker system then college football.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 31, 2011 10:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Nothing beats actual sudden death. The Romans had it right.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lee Corso was sweating

but his streak is intact

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Oct 31, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wish Stanford was following the suck for Luck campaign.

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

seeing him dance around in the tree was enough to make one vomit

by Josie Becker on Oct 31, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Good read, as always. He admits it was harder than ever to do. I’m not sure if the solutions are realistic.

by kinbote on Oct 31, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

DKnobler
Chris Jones is the pitcher going to Braves. 23 year old LH reliever, was in Kinston

by silverwidow on Oct 31, 2011 10:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Saint Claire was traded to the Cubs today with the Cubs eating 37 Million and the Dodgers on the hook for 250,000.

/notreally

Now that my friends is an albatross

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 31, 2011 10:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Are we speaking Alfonso Soriano?

blech

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by Ivdown on Oct 31, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

If the Marlins weren’t willing to spend money on a graphic designer, why would they spent money on players?

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by regfairfield on Oct 31, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Larry’s nine year old daughter did a bang up job

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 31, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because graphic designers are different than players.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

How do they compare to managers?

by fbihop on Oct 31, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

graphic designers are still arguing with procurement over how much their hall of fame will cost.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

You guys are jerks. I was right about the rule darn it. :)

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Very good

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Oct 31, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Looks like the logo for a crappy Indian casino.

by fbihop on Oct 31, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see those stripes

carry over to the uni Astros-style

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Oct 31, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like it

Reminds me of Back To The Future 2

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by Ivdown on Oct 31, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Should the Dodgers make a run at Grady Sizemore? Just stick him in left, and hope he can hit.

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 10:51 AM PDT reply actions  

only if you feel like paying him 2/18 with incentives up to 3/50

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

You think he is going to get $9M per?

by OB12 on Oct 31, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Didn’t think so. I was thinking $2M with incentives maybe reaching $6M.

by OB12 on Oct 31, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he’ll get that, but I think he’ll either sign for more than we expected or les than we expected, and most definitely won’t be a deal we just nod our heads agreeably at.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not even close

The Indians wouldn’t do 1/10.5, no way he gets close to that.

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by Ivdown on Oct 31, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would rather have loney and sands

then sands and sizemore

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Oct 31, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

How about Sands, Sizemore, Prince Fielder, no Loney, no Andre?

by BFDC on Oct 31, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s what I was thinking.

Either for James Shields.

by OB12 on Oct 31, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

But I do want Ethier.

by OB12 on Oct 31, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Trading Ethier for James Shields, then trading Jim Shields for Andre Ethier. It’s so crazy it just might work!

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can name at least five reasons why the Rays wouldn’t do that.

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by regfairfield on Oct 31, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

How much is Shields owed?

by OB12 on Oct 31, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

He has 3 club options for the next three years, at 7/9/12.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

7, 9, 12, all team options.

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by regfairfield on Oct 31, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

OK, yeah, I thought he was getting expensive. I get that probably doesn’t happen then.

by OB12 on Oct 31, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

James Shields will have all three of those options picked up.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d be willing to bet he gets traded and another team is picking up at least 2 of those 3 options.

by BFDC on Oct 31, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thats kinda what I was thinking. They have a good bit of pitching and he could get them some pieces.

by OB12 on Oct 31, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Barajas and Kuroda are both Type-B free agents, per the official Elias Rankings.

by fbihop on Oct 31, 2011 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Pretty sure Kuroda’s contract says they can’t offer him arbitration.

by fbihop on Oct 31, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is where we make a handshake agreement with Barajas not to accept arbitration, right?

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by regfairfield on Oct 31, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

No way we offer Barajas arbitration. He made $3 million last year, he could make around $5 if he accepts, (Which he would.)

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

5 million, not 5 dollars.

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hence the handshake agreement

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

{insert Moises Alou joke here}

by kinbote on Oct 31, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t see why he would agree to it though.

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn’t hurt him whatsoever

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because it wouldn’t hurt him in any way?

This is how the Padres and Blue Jays end up with dozens of comp picks.

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by regfairfield on Oct 31, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

It does if the arbitration offer is the highest salary he can get on the market. According to b-ref, Barajas’ made $3.25 million last year, his highest salary to date. He is probably not going to sign for that amount again, so the only way he can get something close to that is by accepting arbitration. So why would he agree to something that will deny him that?

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Barajas’ options

Make agreement to decline arbitration – he becomes a free agent.
Don’t make agreement – he doesn’t get arbitration.

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by regfairfield on Oct 31, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

He becomes a free agent anyway. Only way I see it benefiting Barajas if the Dodgers offered him something.

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

He gets to be a special assistant to the GM after he retires.

by Michael White on Oct 31, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Everyone gets to do that. I want something meaningful, like punching Tommy Lasorda in the gut every home game.

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

It would be a nice thing for him to do at no loss to him.

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by regfairfield on Oct 31, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

“Handshake agreement”

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Takashi Saito is a Type A

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

MLB Trade Rumors has the official Elias list, which confirms Rod Barajas as a Type B. They also list Hiroki Kuroda, but he can’t be offered arb so that is irrelevant.

Grain of salt: last year MLB TR didn’t have Vicente Padilla on their “official” list, and he was a Type B. But I don’t think any other Dodgers came close anyway.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Don't do Ramierez

My guess is that Ramierez will end up doing a three year contract at between 10-12 per year. I tend to think he will have a significant drop off, if we could get him for two years that would be fine.

Wondering if Ned can pull something off with the Mets for David Wright. Wright has two years left, but the second year is an option and if traded he would probably cancel that. While his salary his hefty 16million, I think he has a large upside and Dodgers probably can’t handle any long term contracts until bankruptcy is finished.

by wineracquet on Oct 31, 2011 10:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Much as I like David Wright, I think he may have many of the same question marks A-ram does.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 31, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

but 4 years youner.

I think Citi Field killed his power.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

and a better defender

but injury prone

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Oct 31, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think his defense has been taking a hit recently

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 31, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

all those concussions have him crosseyed

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Oct 31, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

according to UZR

his last three years he’s been about -10

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 31, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

so 10 better then a ram

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Oct 31, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

actually no

A-Ram UZR
2009: -2.8
2010: -6.5
2011: -9.4

Wright
2009: -10
2010: -10.6
2011: -10.5

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 31, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

-10 every year

I thought you meant cumulative.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Oct 31, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

ah

yeah I meant every year.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 31, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

So they both should be playing 1st base. Yay.

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

We just watched Aaron Miles play 1/2 of the games this year at 3B

are we THIS worried about 3B defense at this point?

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by Ivdown on Oct 31, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Almost as good as Aramis Ramirez! :)

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

so, he’ll get one extra base every month?

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's an improvement ;)

Plus I’d still be happy with .460 slugging from third base in this third base era.

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by Ivdown on Oct 31, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

funny this got brought up. Mets announced today plans to lower the outfield wall to 8ft, bring it up to 2ft closer to home, add 100 new seats, and paint the wall blue.

/MetsTwitter

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

a lot. This will be the biggest move of the offseason as the Mets just re-aquired Jason Bay and David Wright.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just as many for the Met’s as for the opponents.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 31, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Changing park dimensions are things shitty teams do

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

What year did the Dodgers move home plate forward?


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 31, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd absolutely love to land David Wright

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wrighda03.shtml#2009-2011-sum:batting_standard

The last 3 years his numbers are down from his elite days, but still averaged .284/.364/.463 in an even worse hitting environment (for the most part) than Dodger Stadium with a 124 OPS+. He’s making a lot of money, and his defense has dropped, but great offensive numbers for a 3B is worth his contract, plus I think there is still room for improving his slugging percentage closer to .500 where it used to be.

Trade any minor leaguers for him not named Lee and I’d be thrilled.

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by Ivdown on Oct 31, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Hot Stove Keeps Burning

Matt Maloney who was apparently on the Reds the last three years is now a Twin.

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by regfairfield on Oct 31, 2011 11:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Rangers beat writer Jeff Wilson:

#Rangers have picked up option on Colby Lewis.

by fbihop on Oct 31, 2011 11:10 AM PDT reply actions  

2012 NFL Draft - First Round QBs

Per Draft Insider:

Andrew Luck
Matt Barkley
Robert Griffin
Landry Jones

by silverwidow on Oct 31, 2011 11:10 AM PDT reply actions  

you forgot kevin pince

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

he plays football like a brit, so why not.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Does Tedford still have a job after this season after losing to UCLA?

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

sure, at Witchita State

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Da Wheat Shockers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by keithc13 on Oct 31, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes, because he raised the funds to renovate Memorial Stadium and it’d be cruel to fire him before completion of the project

by Josie Becker on Oct 31, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also cruel: cannon fire every other Saturday morning.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cal is the only Pac 12 school that still has a cannon, this is true

by Josie Becker on Oct 31, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m surprised Cal doesn’t have a standing militia

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not. They’d be too high to use their weapons.

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

it’s not like Berkeley is Humbolt. Now those folk are high

by Josie Becker on Oct 31, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or Chico State. F Chico State.

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pros vs. Cons!

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Oct 31, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chris Haydock, the Dodgers assistant farm director, is leaving to work with MLB, per Dylan Hernandez and Steve Dilbeck.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 31, 2011 11:16 AM PDT reply actions  

They’re all be back in the middle of the season when MLB finally takes over the Dodgers

by Tripon on Oct 31, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

so you’re saying they have a job opening? :)

by G.Scott on Oct 31, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Go chiefs!

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Oct 31, 2011 11:21 AM PDT reply actions  

its them or the chargers

not a difficult choice

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Oct 31, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

i have to do what is best for my team

by delias man on Oct 31, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

3 way tie raiders have no tiebreaker

since they still play SD twice i would rather stay ahead of KC at all costs. they look scary to me.

by delias man on Oct 31, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

ah

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Oct 31, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Always root against

a Hunt Brother

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Oct 31, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Always root against

a Hunt Brother

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Oct 31, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

There need not be any more mentions of Rollins moving to secondbase. He is going to get plenty of offers to play SS, there is no reason he would accept an offer to play second.

by Table on Oct 31, 2011 2:43 PM PDT reply actions  

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