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2011 Dominican Dodgers Minor League Season in Review

Rubby De La Rosa is the most recent graduate from the Dominican Dodgers to play in Los Angeles.  Ramon Troncoso is another memeber of this club

Starting with the Dominican Dodgers, I will be recapping the season for each of the Dodgers minor league affiliates.  The DSL team is always difficult to follow because there are so many players on the roster, and there isn't much to go off of besides stats, a player's age, and their physical specs.  In addition, I would guess that at least 98% of the players never make it up the big leagues, and probably only about 15% even make it to a US based league.  That being said, I still enjoy following the players on the Dominican Dodgers because you never know when you are looking at the next Rubby De La Rosa.  A few players stood out on this year's team, and we'll talk about them at length below.

Record: 40 - 29

Season Result: Tied for 2nd place in their division, 5.5 games out of 1st place

Season Recap: The Dodgers started off their season slow, losing 9 of their first 11 games, but then really turned things around over the final 2 months of the season.  The team put together a 6 game winning streak in July, and then only lost 5 games in the entire month of August.  Their late run was not strong enough to propel the Dodgers to the playoffs as they finished tied for 2nd place.  Weather also played a major role in the Dodgers season as 13 games were postponed or canceled due to rain. 

Statistically, the Dodgers were like most teams in the DSL in that they had great pitching numbers, yet had trouble at the dish.  That being said, the Dodgers were pretty well rounded compared to the other teams in the league as their team batting average of .248 ranked 7th in the league (out of 33 teams) and their team ERA of 3.09 ranked 6th.  The team WHIP of 1.24 was even better as it ranked 5th, but their strikeout numbers weren't as impressive as their 483 K's was good for just 17th in the league.  Getting back to the offense, the Dodgers has just 15 homers (ranked 18th), and their OPS wasn't as impressive as their team average since their 662 OPS also ranks 18th in the DSL.

League Leaders:

Dominican Summer League Hitters
Category Player Rank Amount
None
Dominican Summer League Pitchers
Category Player Rank Amount
ERA Jackson Mateo 9th 1.62
Games Started Jackson Mateo tied 1st 15
Hit Batters Jackson Mateo tied 5th 11
WHIP Jackson Mateo tied 10th 0.93
WHIP Victor Araujo tied 10th 0.93

 

Offensive MVP: Greg Pena led the Dominican Dodgers in almost every significant offensive category, and therefore was the obvious choice for offensive MVP award.  His 31 RBI’s were tops on the team, and he ranked 1st in average (.303), OB% (.389), SLG (.441), and OPS (.830) among players with at least 75 at bats.  He also showed off his speed with 23 stolen bases and 5 triples while demonstrating a good eye at the plate.  The 19 year old switch hitter proved to be a valuable defensive player as well as he played all 3 outfield positions and made just 2 errors all year while recording a team-high 4 outfield assists.

Best Offensive Prospect: Stat wise Arce Rodriguez’s season was just a tick below Greg Pena, but on paper A-Rod appears to be the better prospect mostly because of his age as he is a full year younger than the offensive MVP.  2011 was Arce's second season in the DSL, and he showed significant improved over last year while playing the entire season as an 18 year old.  He led the team in home runs with 4, and his .288 average was second behind only Pena.  He appears to be limited defensively as he was used mostly in left field and 1st base, but hopefully he'll hit enough as he moves up the ladder to justify his positions.  Given his success in 2011 and the fact that he's already spent 2 seasons in the DSL, Rodriguez will probably be promoted to the Arizona Rookie League next year as 19 year old.

Pitching MVP: Jackson Mateo earned the Pitching MVP award by started a team high 15 games and posting fabulous stats.  His 1.62 ERA ranked 2nd out of all Dodger minor leaguers in 2011, and his 0.93 WHIP was the best in the entire system.  He also was among the DSL League Leaders in those two categories.  The only thing Jackson didn't do well in 2011 was strike out batters (6.49 K/9), but that didn't seem to matter as he found other means to get the outs he needed throughout the season.  2011 was actually Mateo's second great season in the DSL (he had a 1.23 ERA in 22 innings in 2010), so I'm pretty sure the 19 year old will be playing in the Arizona Rookie League in 2012.

Best Pitching Prospect: It's quite difficult to determine the best pitching prospect on this team without scouting reports, but I need to pick someone so I'm going with 17 year old Miguel Sulbaran.  Miguel isn't going to intimidate you with his size (5'10", 165 lbs), but this lefty put up outstanding stats despite being one of the youngest players in the league.  He finished the season with a 2.81 ERA in 57.2 innings, and his WHIP was just 0.95.  He also had a solid strike out rate of 8.18 K/9, and opposing batters hit just .179 against him.  The highlight of his season was on August 3rd when he threw 6 no-hit innings and had 8 punchouts.


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Other Notable Players and Prospects:  Before I get into the position by position break down, I wanted to highlight a few more players on the team who either had a great season and/or could have the potential to one day turn into a legitimate Dodger prospect.  This way, the more notable players don't get lost in all the detail below.

Jonathan Martinez - RHP - At 17 years and 3 months old Martinez is currently the youngest player in the Dodgers minor league system, yet he put up great numbers for the Dominican Dodgers and was almost my pick for the team's best pitching prospect.  In 32.1 frames J-Mart had a 1.67 ERA, a 0.96 WHIP, a 2.98 FIP, and struck out almost a batter per inning.  He's 6'1" and 170 lbs and will be one of the key players to watch in the DSL next season.

Victor Araujo - RHP - Araujo might not be much of his prospect because of his age (almost 22), but he put together an outstanding season for the Dodgers with 60 IP and a 1.80 ERA.  He also had a 0.93 WHIP, led the team with a 2.87 FIP, and was one of the few players on the roster to strike out more than a batter per inning (9.15 K/9). 

Jose Agusto Diaz - RHP - I didn't even notice Diaz's solid season until it was over, but it's worth noting here as he had a ERA of just 0.67 over 27 innings.  He's another guy who is a little old for the league at 20 and a half, but even still he had a great year.

Josmar Cordero - C/1B - Cordero didn't have eye popping stats, but had a decent season considering the league he was playing in.  He played the entire season as a 19 year old, and his .779 OPS ranked 3rd on the team for qualifying players.  He also had 2 homers and struck out in just 12.8% of his plate appearances.

Faustino Oguisten - 2B/SS - The 20 year old Oguisten only played half the year with the Dominican Dodgers because he was promoted mid-season to the Arizona Rookie League.  While in the DSL, Faustino had a .333 average in 25 games, 9 SB's, and a solid .822 OPS.  He also walked as much as he struck out.

Position by Position Breakdown (player's age in parenthesis):

Catcher: After being the team's main 1st baseman in 2010, Webster Rivas (21) spent most of his time behind the plate in 2011 and had a decent season with a .751 OPS and a pair of homers.  He also walked almost as much as he struck out, and threw out 49% of would be base-stealers.  Josemar Corder (20) spent a good amount of time as the backstop and was discussed above, while Jonathan Linares (18) is being mentioned despite playing just 7 games because of his age and the fact that he had a .300 average and 4 extra base hits in his limited playing time. 

1st Base: Five different guys played at least 10 games at 1st base, but 3 of them have already been mentioned above (Josmar Cordero (20), Arce Rodriguez (18), and Webster Rivas (21)).  The other two are Henry Heredia (20) and Jeffry Rojas (19), but both had terrible seasons at the plate in their professional debuts and are not worth discussing.

2nd Base: The switch hitting Vladimir Martinez (19) was the primary 2nd baseman for the Dodgers, and despite hitting just .222 he had a somewhat memorable season because he walked and struck out in 11.7% of his plate appearances.  Melvin Santana (20) was the team's other 2nd baseman and struggled defensively with a .906 fielding %, but led the team with 11 doubles despite a .245 batting average.  He also ranked 2nd on the team with 10 stolen bases. 

Shortstop: Leo Rodriguez (19) manned shortstop for most the season and had very similar stats as 2010 despite being a year older and wiser.  The only good news is that he is another player who walked almost as much as he struck out.  The aforementioned Faustino Oguisten (20) also played some shortstop before his promotion. 

3rd Base: 2011 was Jorky Infante's (20) 3rd season in the DSL, but he still struggled at the plate as the team's main 3rd baseman.  Jorky hit just .210 with a .567 OPS which just isn't going to get it done.  Jeffry Rojas (19), who also played some 1st base, was the secondary 3rd baseman and as mentioned above had a mediocre season at the plate with a .235 average and a .574 OPS.

Outfield: The outfield was the Dodgers' strong point from an offensive perspective as both the offensive MVP and the best offensive prospect were outfielders.  Greg Pena (19) played mostly right field, but also spent a significant amount of time in both center and left to prove his versatility.  As mentioned above he led the team in almost all offensive categories, while making just 2 errors and recording 4 outfield assists.  Arce Rodriguez (18) was the main left fielder for the Dodgers, and Abinaer Soriano (20) played almost exclusively in center.  Soriano did a decent job on defense, but he hit just .216 and had a .600 OPS while striking out in 28.2% of his plate appearances. 

Starting Pitching: Starters Victor Araujo (21), Jackson Mateo (19), and Miguel Sulbaran (17) were the main contributors to the Dodgers rotation, and each of these players were mentioned above.  Giordanny Chavez (20) was another Dodger starter, but he regressed significantly in his 3rd DSL season.  After posting a 1.85 ERA in 2010, Chavez doubled his earned run average in 2011 and also had a very poor strike out rate as his K/9 was just 5.53.  Abdiel Velasquez (18) also increased his ERA significantly from 2010, but he is still so young that I think he should still be considered a decent Dodger prospect.  The 6'3" Velasquez had a 4.05 ERA in 2011, but he has a solid pitching frame and will hopefully improve in 2012.  Samuel Taveras (22) rounds out the Dodgers rotation, and while he had unbelievable stats in 2011 and has a great pitching frame at 6'5", he was mostly ignored because of his age.  His 2.02 ERA and 0.88 WHIP were great, but his K rate was terrible (5.33 K/9) and again he is much to old to ever have an impact in the Dodgers minor league system. 

Relief Pitching: 10 different different pitchers had saves for the Dodgers in 2010, so as you can imagine the Dodger relief core was pretty wide spread.  Jonathan Martinez (17) was the best bullpen arm for the Dodgers and he had a 1.16 ERA as a reliever with a .160 batting average against.  Aris Angeles (22) is quite a bit older but was also very good with a 2.73 ERA in 29.2 innings, while 17 year old Edinson Bock posted a 3.68 ERA and a 11.0 K/9 despite throwing just 7.1 frames.  Converted outfielder Ricardo De La Rosa (20) is not related to Rubby, but he did have a solid year in his first season as a pitcher.  The 6'3" Moises Tamarez (19) appeared in just 8 games in 2011 and threw just 18 frames, but I have a feeling he'll be in Arizona in 2012 as he's spent 3 seasons in the DSL and has a 2.00 ERA in 2011.

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thanks for doing these Brandon

I imagine the DSL Dodgers must be the hardest to get info on.

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 7:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Minorleaguecentral.com, bro :)

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by regfairfield on Oct 5, 2011 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

UNTIL NOW!!!!

:)

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Man, your site is even more awesome

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah there are basically no scouting reports

espeically since the Dodgers don’t sign any high profile international players

by Brandon Lennox on Oct 5, 2011 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

For point of reference

2011 DSL:

Average age of batters: 18.5
Average OPS: .661

Average age of pitchers: 19.0
Average ERA: 3.59

by Sean P. on Oct 5, 2011 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

thanks for this as i'd never calculated the averages

but overall i wouldn’t say a 19 year old pitcher in the DSL is old…especially since most of the players who are 19 now were really 18 for at least part of last season. you don’t really want many 18 year olds in your US based rookie leagues unless they are big time prospects, so most of these players in the DSL don’t really even have the option of getting promoted until they are 19/20 years old

by Brandon Lennox on Oct 5, 2011 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Arce should work on a nickname if he comes to Arizona next year.

by Gen3blue on Oct 5, 2011 8:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Some old gringo coach will call him Archie and it will stick.

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by Nolij on Oct 5, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

does anybody know how much it costs to get a bathtub re-glazed?

by delias man on Oct 5, 2011 8:28 AM PDT reply actions  

ours was reglazed for a few hundred bucks and it took a couple weeks of them coming back and patching up the spots to get it right. I want to say $600?

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

just called a guy in lomita and quote was $230.

by delias man on Oct 5, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

i’ll ask exactly how much it cost my parents

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

nah, quick IM, mom works for the same company.

She said $350.

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

You get what you pay for

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

In case anyone missed it yesterday, I wrote a Fanpost on the Small Sample Size Dodgers of 2011.

by fbihop on Oct 5, 2011 8:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Weird

work computer blocks Yahoo Fantasy Football but not Yahoo Fantasy Hockey.

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 8:48 AM PDT reply actions  

damn Canadian firewalls

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

since Tommy took my comment, I had to edit to this

….because they never suspected anyone would actually play fantasy hockey?

by Hollywood Joe on Oct 5, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

In my world, all hockey is fantasy hockey.

by kinbote on Oct 5, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fantasy Hockey costs companys tens of dollars a year in lost productivity.

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by regfairfield on Oct 5, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

FTFY

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by fbihop on Oct 5, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

all replies have been a hoot

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jackson Mateo

is a great baseball name. Thanks for doing this, Brandon. Where do you think he’ll be ranked next time you rank our prospects?

by kinbote on Oct 5, 2011 8:51 AM PDT reply actions  

I had him 75 last year

with 2 good DSL seasons under his belt i’ll move him up a bit, but not a ton. he’ll probably be in the 60 – 70 range

by Brandon Lennox on Oct 5, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Baseball America's top-20 Southern League prospects
1. Matt Moore, lhp, Montgomery Biscuits (Rays)
2. Tyler Skaggs, lhp, Mobile Baybears (Diamondbacks
3. Paul Goldschmidt, 1b, Mobile Baybears (Diamondbacks)
4. Brett Jackson, of, Tennessee Smokies (Cubs)
5. Jarrod Parker, rhp, Mobile Baybears (Diamondbacks)
6. Arodys Vizcaino, rhp, Mississippi Braves
7. Randall Delgado, rhp, Mississippi Braves
8. Wily Peralta, rhp, Huntsville Stars (Brewers)
9. Yasmani Grandal, c, Carolina Mudcats (Reds)
10. Allen Webster, rhp, Chattanooga Lookouts (Dodgers)
11. Chris Archer, rhp, Montgomery Biscuits (Rays)
12. Alfredo Silverio, of, Chattanooga Lookouts (Dodgers)
13. Nathan Eovaldi, rhp, Chattanooga Lookouts (Dodgers)
14. A.J. Pollock, of, Mobile Baybears (Diamondbacks)
15. Vinnie Catricala, of/3b, Jackson Generals (Mariners)
16. Patrick Corbin, lhp, Mobile Baybears (Diamondbacks)
17. Tyler Pastornicky, ss, Mississippi Braves
18. Chris Withrow, rhp, Chattanooga Lookouts (Dodgers)
19. Brett Oberholtzer, lhp, Mississippi Braves
20. Shawn Tolleson, rhp, Chattanooga Lookouts (Dodgers)
Link

by fbihop on Oct 5, 2011 8:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh, and this:

Pitchers grabbed 13 of the spots on this Top 20, and that number would have been higher had Bauer, Chattanooga’s Rubby de la Rosa, Jackson’s James Paxton and Birmingham’s Addison Reed logged enough work to qualify.

by fbihop on Oct 5, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

5 of the top 20 ain’t bad, only oe in the top 10 though.

I still think Chris Withrow will be the most successful out of all the Dodgers on that list.

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought you changed your mind on him after seeing him actually pitch?

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

i don’t remember, but I remember seeing him pitch on milb.tv and thinking his stuff looked great and his mechanics looked clean, just needs to attack the strike zone better.

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe this will help jog the memory banks
so having finally watched Withrow from the other day
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the timing of the different steps in his mechanics is off. everything looks ok (though I don’t like that he leads with his left heel instead of accelerating down into his toes which would allow for a softer landing and less strain on the body over time). Stuff looks okay (fastball was kinda straight, which I have to assume is what gets him in trouble). I’m gonna get some ‘how can you tell after seeing only a few pitches’ grief, but I’m rescinding my Chris Withrow is gonna go off next year bandwagon. I’m gonna have to take a look at him next year to see what’s up, but as of right now, I don’t trust him to get better than he is now without some more mechanical improvements and a fastball that isn’t so hittable.
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by G.Scott on Aug 25, 2011 7:10 PM PDT up actions
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specifically, his legs are behind, and they need to go before the upper body otherwise the release point stays inconsistent
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by G.Scott on Aug 25, 2011 7:12 PM PDT up actions

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

ahh, yes. thanks for that.

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

ok yeah, i remember now. Spring Training is going to be interesting.

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

That list is loaded with great young arms. Looks like the best young arms were pitching in the Southern League this year.

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Always shocking these lists:
1. Tolleson even made the list as a relief pitcher
2. Silverio made it and Van Slyke did not. Makes me think they think Silverio can really play CF

Webster made two lists, bit unusual, especially when you think of his performance in AA.

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

You’d think Silverio not knowing what the strike zone is would count against him.

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by regfairfield on Oct 5, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

You’d think.

I’m shocked Griff did not make the Cal League, but even more shocked Silverio made this list. With that plate discipline I’ve never really thought of him as a legitimate prospect but here he is listed as the fifth best position prospect in the Southern League.

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

What was the playtime cutoff for the list?

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by regfairfield on Oct 5, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t know but I saw others on the Cal league who were promoted before Griff so it was not a play time issue. Webster was promoted before Griff wasn’t he?

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I saw your comments in the Cal League fan post but no mention of Griff. Do you think I am over valuing him based on this performance this year and not putting enough weight on his MWL performance?

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just Going By Stats I Was Impressed With Griff...

But there is no “buzz” about him at all, and when Colletti was talking about why he traded for Fed-Ex, his remarks about the catchers in the system made it sound like the Dodgers had nothing between Ellis and the low minors (Griff was already in Double A at the time, just like Fed-Ex). So if the Dodgers don’t believe in Griff, I don’t know what to think about him. I will have to decide before I do my Top 30 this year.

by CanuckDodger on Oct 5, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

There’s some strange commissions then. Vincent Catricala in the Mariners organization is a 22 year old with similar numbers to Goldschmidt and he didn’t even make the list.

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by regfairfield on Oct 5, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Where was Catricala drafted?

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

10th round, wasn’t much last year, had a huge start A ball then kept raking at AA.

It’s probably, but where comparing him to Alfredo Silverio and Scott Van Slyke.

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by regfairfield on Oct 5, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I somehow missed that he’s actually on there, but below Silverio.

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by regfairfield on Oct 5, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess if Silverio is a real center fielder that changes everything. Oh, and the fact left fielders now suck, that also changes things.

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers 5
Diamondbacks 4
Braves 4

kind of dominate the list

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

only 10 MLB teams have Southern League affiliates, but it still seems very top heavy

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Numbers 1 and 3 have made a nice impact on the MLB playoffs so far.

My first reaction when Goldschmidt hit the ball in the fifth inning last night was “that’s a deep flyout”…until I immediately saw Marcum just chuck his glove in the air in frustration.

A pair of reasonably close games (4-1 and 3-1) really turned into blowouts in a hurry at roughly the same time. That top of the eighth inning for the Yankees seemed to never end.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I spent all day yesterday in a sports bar (from the 6th inning of the first game until the final out of the last game) and it was pretty good until the Tigers stopped being able to get anyone out and the Dbacks just opened it up.

Like you said, both at almost the exact same time.

by fbihop on Oct 5, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was at a bar as well, just so I could watch both. After two one-run games during the day, we got the short end of the stick on the night games :)

Game 5 of the Yankees/Tigers should be fun though.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

The whole sequence with Marcum and LeCroy ending up with a grandslam and Marcum throwing his glove in the air was one of the strangest I’ve ever witnessed. I didn’t listen to the post game interview but I wondered if he threw what he wanted or what LeCroy wanted, or if the delay from his last pitch to that pitch was enough to throw a hanger.

Either way, huge ab by the rook. Diamondbacks will win again, this game is going back home.

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m rooting for a pair of ex-Dodgers wins today.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, that endless top of the eighth inning nearly completely overshadowed the great catch by Curtis Granderson to end the bottom of the seventh (he also had that one in the first inning which might have saved A.J. Burnett from himself).

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

That catch was crazy. Otherwise three runs would have scored.

by fbihop on Oct 5, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bad read, incredible catch to make up for it. I thought we’d have a shot at an inside the parker for a second.

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

On the second one or the first one? I only saw a replay of the first inning one so I didn’t see his route

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

First one, he stepped in first then was oh fuck and made that leaping catch. Didn’t see the second one, I changed the game to Arizona by then.

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ahh thanks

MLB.com has a video up with both catches and wow, Granderson almost fucked that first one up. Also, turns out the second catch was in the sixth inning, not the seventh. My memory is fading fast.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Granderson making that catch in the first changed the entire game.

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Dodgers are 1/4 of this list

Very cool to see, especially one being a reliever.

by Ivdown on Oct 5, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

A pessimist might say four are relievers

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ouch

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

An

Optimist would say we could trade our failed prospect starters turned dominant relievers for others teams better starting prospects as long as Mr. Daniels remains in baseball.

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Haha

I was just messing around anyway. I am excited to see if Withrow can make the leap this year and if Webster can continue his path. Eovaldi can keep doing what he’s doing, too, until it is clear that he can’t.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

this being baseball they might all become relievers, and Tolleson turned into a starter:)

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

and Silverio an ace reliever :)

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've still got some hope for Withrow

He’s got a great skill set, just wild. If he could be the right handed version of Jonathan Sanchez I’d be pretty happy (please tell me he actually is a lefty, lol)

by Ivdown on Oct 5, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

we’ll see

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

The only constant in baseball is the Yankees win.

Towers will figure out a way to screw up that team soon enough.

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by regfairfield on Oct 5, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I miss the 80’s / early 90’s Yankees =(

by VegasBlues on Oct 5, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think any NL team other than the Phillies can be described as dominant

and even their’s might end soon, with most of their roster being older players.

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or it's 2007 all over again

and could firesell again by late 2013 with any luck

by Ivdown on Oct 5, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brandon

Last seven years who has come out of the DSL for the Dodgers to advance to AA and be successful?
Silverio?
Rubby?
Troncoso?

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 9:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

When will you unleash the 2011 Canuck Top 30?

by silverwidow on Oct 5, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I Usually Do It Befoore This Late In The Year...

..but people’s minds are pretty focused on the playoffs, so I was thinking maybe I should wait a bit. What do you think? Do people want to see it sooner rather than later?

by CanuckDodger on Oct 5, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whatever works for you.

by silverwidow on Oct 5, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

We need things to do in the offseason

But I’m sure we are all eager for stuff to talk about now anyway.

by Ivdown on Oct 5, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE

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by Nolij on Oct 5, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

i think these 3 just about cover it

I thought Kenley for a second but he never played in the DSL…went straight to the GCL as a 17 year old

by Brandon Lennox on Oct 5, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Silverio did come from DSL?

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

“Eovaldi was way better than Webster in AA and had some good starts at the MLB level, yet Webster is ranked higher than Eovaldi?”

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is easy, scouts have always like Webster more the Eovaldi because of his control of multiple pitches while still bringing a 95 MPH fastball.

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, but I’m curious what they say.

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

95??

Wow. That sounds exciting.

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

“With an easy delivery, Webster pitches off a fastball that ranges from 90-95 mph. It’s a power sinker that he uses to get ahead in the count or induce groundballs, though he’s still refining his fastball command.”

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eovaldi throws the ball very hard and not much else. Allen Webster might not actually be any good. It’s a toss up.

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by regfairfield on Oct 5, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just got a solicitation email from a dude with the last name of Offsay. Seems like piglatin to me.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2011 9:32 AM PDT reply actions  

It’s Soberoff asking if you want the Dodgers PR job

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

If the Colts owner got knighted, he’d be Sir Irsay.

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by Nolij on Oct 5, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wonder years (1988–1993)

mind kind of semi sorta blown. Thought that show was a LOT older

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by nolander on Oct 5, 2011 9:37 AM PDT reply actions  

When did you watch it? Was it on Nick at Nite or some other channel as reruns?

I only ask because I remember watching it while it was on, which is why I remember the years, at least roughly. Just wondering where it was televised afterward.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was 2-5 when it was on

and really don’t even remember on what channel the few episodes I watched where. I guess they just did such a good job of nailing the time period( 1968 to 1973) I assumed it was actually made back then.

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by nolander on Oct 5, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is funny

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think a lot of people my age are in the same boat

just asked my coworker and he thought it was probably on in the 70s

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by nolander on Oct 5, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I knew it wasn't

because Fred Savage kept appearing in more modern(at the time) media.

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

two x's

one black, one red.

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s a poster from The Wizard — the Nintendo movie.

by silverwidow on Oct 5, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

a true classic

love that movie

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Does anyone remember his show on NBC I think where he worked in an office back in the 90s?

I don’t remember much about the show, except the fact that I enjoyed it at the time and it was pretty funny.

by Ivdown on Oct 5, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I remember the show existed, I remember watching it, I don’t remember one second of it. That can’t be a good sign.

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by regfairfield on Oct 5, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

nope

but he’s the voice of Oswalt (the eponymous octopus), which is a cool Zen-like cartoon with good music on Nick Jr.

by kinbote on Oct 5, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fred at age 13

was the most foul-mouthed and funniest young kid I had ever met. Became a great guy as an older teenager and young adult.

by The Dude Abides on Oct 5, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Starred in the greatest movie ever made as well.

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by Nolij on Oct 5, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

INCONCEIVABLE

“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

by The Dude Abides on Oct 5, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Directed 9 episodes of Party Down, directs some episodes of Its Always Sunny in addition to doing a bunch of Disney shows.

by fbihop on Oct 5, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

its an odd juxtapisition

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by nolander on Oct 5, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

The best weird juxtaposition is Ben Garant and Tom Lennon. They were creators of Reno 911! and part of The State… but also wrote Night At The Museum, Herbie Fully Loaded, The Pacifier and a lot of other shitty movies.

They basically say, “Yeah, we make crappy mass-marketed comedies because we get paid lots of money to do it.”

by fbihop on Oct 5, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right, not like Fred and Minny are in their 50’s.

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

In some ways the show was timeless

since the stuff that kids go through is pretty much the same. However, bringing in Vietnam (Winnie’s brother death), Women’s rights, and other issues of the day both made it different and also probably more difficult to sell in reruns and such.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

they also had issues regarding

The syndication broadcast rights for the music used on the show.


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by David Young on Oct 5, 2011 10:37 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I figured it was earlier in the 80’s but never put much thought into it. I know I saw it air live so had I thought about it I would have (or at least should have) come up with a time frame around what it actually is.

by VegasBlues on Oct 5, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

it’s on Netflix now too

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome show. A true classic.

by silverwidow on Oct 5, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Steven Douglas was the way to go.

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good gig if you can get it
Fred MacMurray was the only actor to appear in every episode of the series. Reportedly, MacMurray’s contract stipulated that he work only 65 days per year. His scenes for each season were produced in two blocks of filming. He would report to the Desilu-Gower lot in late May and work 35 days (five days per week, weekends off), then take off for 10 weeks. He would then return to complete his remaining 30 days of shooting and was finished altogether around Thanksgiving. MacMurray’s ten-week hiatus in the middle of each season’s production schedule freed up the actor to follow other pursuits, while the filming of scenes with the other cast members continued. In short, all episodes were filmed out of sequence. Evidence of this is very apparent in several episodes, where plotlines had MacMurray’s character on a business trip (e.g. “Small Adventure”) or spending much of his time at the office (e.g. “Soap Box Derby”). This allowed him to seemingly take part in the entire episode with limited or no interaction with the other regulars during filming.

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ha, I knew you’d chime in with that after the Jon Jay from yesteryear

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Figured you for Martin Crane

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

frasiers dad

who even watched that show?

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by nolander on Oct 5, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Frasier?

my Dad

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Frasier was hit or miss but when it hit it hard.

The Wily Mo Pena of 90s sitcoms.

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by regfairfield on Oct 5, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which character in Frasier reminds you of Phil?

by Xeifrank on Oct 5, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bob ‘Bulldog’ Briscoe

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep. First time I saw/heard Phil, that comparison immediately came to mind.

by Xeifrank on Oct 5, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

ha

we do look alike

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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 5, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jose Reyes, prize free agent target this offseason for many teams, bares all for ESPN The Mag? (Possibly NSFW)

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2011 9:40 AM PDT reply actions  

He tweaked his hamstring taking that picture.

by fbihop on Oct 5, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought the Yankee’s were playing every game until the series was done after that rainout?

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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 9:56 AM PDT reply actions  

That would have happened if Saturday was rained out.

Today was always a scheduled travel day.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

so

there is a hearing in Delaware today right?

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 10:01 AM PDT reply actions  

12th what? No, the hearing originally scheduled for the 12th has been postponed, but definitively, to a hearing Oct. 31 through Nov. 5. The judge would not postpone it until December as McCourt wanted, in order to try to resolve things before the off-season.

Today’s hearing is to let McCourt present reasons why the judge should change his mind and force MLB to come up with confidential details of all 29 teams. The judge will not change his mind, and that will be that. McCourt may eventually appeal, but I have it on reasonable authority (Shaikin) that court actions are not usually stayed pending appeals.

So we will move on to the main hearing Oct. 31, when the judge has said that he will rule McCourt vs. MLB.

by berkowit28 on Oct 5, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oct. 31 through Nov. 4. Five days.

by berkowit28 on Oct 5, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

what time

is today’s hearing?

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

11:30 am PDT. Shaikin will be tweeting. I will be busy in a work meeting.

by berkowit28 on Oct 5, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

thanks

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

right

where McCourt tries to get the judge to reconsider allowing them access to the MLB financial documents, yes?

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why aren’t people showing up?!?


Sternberg’s criticism comes after the Rays reached the postseason despite an epic offseason purge that chopped the team’s 2010 payroll of $71.9 million to $ 41.9 on Opening Day this season, the second-lowest in baseball.

Oh.

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by regfairfield on Oct 5, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

time to sign a bunch of big extensions!

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by nolander on Oct 5, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dan Johnson is ready.

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by Nolij on Oct 5, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

It would help!

When your big move in the offseason you let your franchise player go is trading Matt Garza for Hak-Ju Lee why the hell should anyone care?

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by regfairfield on Oct 5, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

First, mix your metaphors
“You can look at us and potentially Oakland as the only teams in that respect,” Sternberg said, referring to the only team who drew fewer fans than Tampa this season, the Oakland A’s. “And Oakland by hook and crook will have a situation clearer well before we will, and we will be the last man standing. Or in this case, lying down.”

by Josie Becker on Oct 5, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

When asked for his favorite part of “Moneyball,” Sternberg replied, “That part where they didn’t sign that guy.”

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by Nolij on Oct 5, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

translated

Oakland, by any means necessary, will have a clearer situation well before we will, and we will be the victor. Er, the one lying down by ourselves.

by Josie Becker on Oct 5, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

They can’t compete. They have a shit stadium that nobody can get to (not easily anyway) and they play in a division with the Yankees and Red Sox. They’ll keep losing guys like Upton and Price (like Crawford) and won’t suck enough to draft new ones. They’ll eventually be back to living outside the playoffs and if the team can’t draw now, I don’t see how they’ll draw then.

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

pretty much

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by nolander on Oct 5, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

But the Casino Morongo Marlins ceded their titular right to the whole state.

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by Nolij on Oct 5, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

take two

what’s the penal angle on the titular issue?

by kinbote on Oct 5, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I swear, it’s only been a month since I read “the Extra 2%”, but I’ve already forgotten a lot of the details. I could have sworn they were locked into the Trop for another 2 decades.

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

read it again

i hear you have a lot of free time on your hands

by delias man on Oct 5, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is it any wonder he’s not the president?

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Oct 5, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have hobbies. Having no live TV to watch might be the best thing for me lifestyle wise.

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would respond, but I think you’re mocking me.

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also....

And go where? Short of dropping the team in Brooklyn to try and steal Yankees/Mets fans, i don’t see the market which is terribly desirable that’s not already being used.

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I forget: Is Portland, OR right out?

by kinbote on Oct 5, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

People keep saying it

but if MLS moves to november as all the scuttlebut says it will, then it opens back up.

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by nolander on Oct 5, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

where are you hearing this?

by delias man on Oct 5, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

don't rememeber where

but its come up a few times.

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by nolander on Oct 5, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

never happen

as long as gulati is the president

by delias man on Oct 5, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Couldn’t even support a AAA team.

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by regfairfield on Oct 5, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

is that even a fair comparison though?

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by nolander on Oct 5, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

they sure are supporting the heck out of their MLS team

by Josie Becker on Oct 5, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

You draw 18,000 a game for baseball and you are the Rays.

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by regfairfield on Oct 5, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

you make a compelling argument

:)

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by nolander on Oct 5, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would love that. But living in Portland back when there was a very outside shot at getting the Expos, nobody really wanted it. There was actually local opposition to it. They’ve gone all in with soccer and completely converted the former AAA stadium to a soccer stadium, so no, I don’t see it happening.

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

they might not really compete in the future though

if mls moves its season

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by nolander on Oct 5, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

MLS is floating that idea, but we’re still talking five years away. It had more momentum when the US was competing for the World Cup bid

by Josie Becker on Oct 5, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

pansies

just do it now!

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by nolander on Oct 5, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dear Mr President

There are too many baseball teams these days, please eliminate three. I am not a crackpot.

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by regfairfield on Oct 5, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

or add 2

one of those

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by nolander on Oct 5, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Easy

Eliminate the Rays, A’s, Royals, and we’ll all have tea.

by Josie Becker on Oct 5, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eliminate someone else

and move the A’s to their territory

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by nolander on Oct 5, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

The A's have history in Oakland

and they did outdraw the Giants until Pac Bell Park was built. If Oakland got a new park and beefed up its roster, it could compete well in the Bay Area.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

MLB and the Giants

are standing in their way

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by nolander on Oct 5, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

They could build the new stadium in Oakland or anywhere in A’s territory and neither entity could say a thing really

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

They should just build the new stadium next to Oracle Arena and O.co and build a giant multi-purpose parking structure to be used by the A’s, Raiders and Warriors.

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

no room

that area there is much smaller than you think.

by delias man on Oct 5, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Except Oakland won't pay for it

and/or won’t let them

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by nolander on Oct 5, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lewis Wolff is worth $1.2 billion and is 75 years old. He could build a 40,000 seat stadium for $450mil and double the value of his franchise.

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why do that when you can refuse to invest in your product, blame the customer for not buying your product while still making a shitload of money.

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by regfairfield on Oct 5, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Forbes:

says the A’s last year made a $23.2MM profit, with only the Tigers (-$19MM) and Red Sox (-$1.1MM) operating at a loss. The Yankees income of $427MM was about a third higher than the Red Sox ($272MM) and Dodgers ($246MM)

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

In fact

it says the Dodgers turned the third highest profit in baseball last year.

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

“Nuh uh.”

—Stupid Frank

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by Nolij on Oct 5, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

what in the fuck?

I thought the Dodgers were operating at a loss last year. The payroll is shrinking with making 250 million last year? I hate Frank and Jaime.

by Ivdown on Oct 5, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can’t lose money in the NFL

You have to be really terrible with your money (Detroit) to lose money in the MLB.

Never believe any baseball owner that cries poverty.

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by regfairfield on Oct 5, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Somehow we’re supposed to believe that basketball owners lose money hand over fist though?

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by Nolij on Oct 5, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

From what I’ve seen the NBA actually does have issues in small markets but it’s no where near the problem it’s made out to be.

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by regfairfield on Oct 5, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some small markets do way better than large markets though (San Antonio, for instance). The losses that they claim seem completely imaginary, in the McCourtest sense.

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by Nolij on Oct 5, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Clippers have sucked and the Spurs have been excellent. Want to guess which club makes more money?

In the NBA, it makes more sense to suck in a large market than win in a small market.

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well

that depends, if you take in account the debt that new owners are paying off, then some probably are losing money.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Detroit doesn't even give a shit

For now, he’s fine operating the Tigers as a loss leader so he can sell more pizzas.

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

All

non-Forbes related analysts don’t actually trust those numbers.

All I know is based on the documents that I have seen from the bankruptcy case, they are not making money.

Now, is some of that due to paying down debt, I don’t know.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess buying seven houses when you have negative income was a really bad idea.

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by regfairfield on Oct 5, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

The interesting thing to find out

is did MLB approve whatever financial plan the Dodgers told them back in 2009/2010. Look, they could have asked to see the books at any time so I don’t really care that they claim surprise at the McCourt’s spending now.

If they agreed to the plan and now say no, I think McCourt has a fair issue to pursue, if he gets that chance, I don’t know.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is against

sports ownership rules to build their own stadium, I seem to recall MLB not too happy when the Giants built their park primarily with private money.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have no idea

why being 75 years old means anything to that statement. He could also donate 1000 scholarships to schools across country and probably do more good.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Building a stadium would give people jobs

and inject money into the economy. Its not that cut and dry.

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by nolander on Oct 5, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

but he isn’t complaining about schools not being able to get students to enroll. He owns a product, has a clear solution, the means to that solution, and doesn’t want to do it.

Him being 75 applies to the “What the hell is he waiting for” principle.

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well

we don’t know that since Wolff claims that Selig has been sitting on their proposal for several years.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

They’re frat buddies, I can’t imagine Bud not doing what he can for Lew

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why would Wolfe want

to build his own stadium with his own money when San Jose is lining up to pay the bill?

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by nolander on Oct 5, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually

the proposal is for a privately financed stadium though I am sure the land and other fees will be greatly reduced.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not the Royals, no way

Pirates if anything. They will never have a winning season again apparently.

by Ivdown on Oct 5, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think that would make the Giants a large market team, so I’m against.

i’d be okay with the Rays contracting, and probably wouldn’t miss the Royals after a couple seasons, but the A’s just need a new stadium and they’d be fine.

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

biggest problem is there are only something like 5 stadiums that are older than 20 years old, and they’re home to the A’s, Royals, Dodgers, Cubs and Red Sox, and the Angels Stadium was built in like 1966 but it has been remodeled pretty recently.

by G.Scott on Oct 5, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Put a third team in New York or LA (area). The Alhambra Baozi

by Xeifrank on Oct 5, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't you hear?

The Angels and Dodgers already have the lowest ratings in baseball.

by Michael White on Oct 5, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if the greater LA area could draw 30K per game to a third team/stadium?

by Xeifrank on Oct 5, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exhibit A: Mark Hendrickson keeps getting contracts.

by kinbote on Oct 5, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

You know

when there were 16 teams, teams didn’t draw well.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2011 10:44 AM PDT reply actions  

No

that was after the first expansion. !6 teams ended after the 1960 season.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

and every city had two teams for some reason. Philly had two, St. Louie had two, NY had three, Chicago had two, Boston had two…so at least eleven of the 16 had direct competition in their same city until teams started moving west and baseball expanded.

by Josie Becker on Oct 5, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Our country’s population has gone way up since then. You have to assume tthat some of these people crossing the border are baseball fans :P

by lnickerson88 on Oct 5, 2011 2:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Couple of updates

I added service time to the payroll worksheet, and extended it to 2014 (will add assumptions for 2014 once the roster takes shape). Right now there are placeholders on the 25-man roster, and I will update as the team makes moves.

Dodgers are at ~$103.5 million for 2012 with arb assumptions (all but Kuo are back) and the roster filled with a bunch of near-minimum guys. I haven’t really looked into Kemp yet (will later this offseason), but it really wouldn’t surprise me if he surpasses the $13 million I have for him next year.

I also forgot that Ronald Belisario has one year, 151 days of service time, and not one year, 133 days. There was a dispute regarding his first trip to the restricted list in 2010 that resulted in a grievance and eventual settlement which added 18 days to his service time. The roster breakdown from the other day has been updated.

by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2011 11:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Dodgers - Giants from 2001 on ESPN Classic

Watching this 11-10 win of ours back then (believe we eliminate the Giants in this game) and I don’t even remember a couple of these guys being on the team.

I did turn 21 that year and was renting a house with friends (so lots of drinking). That probably has something to do with my memory.

by VegasBlues on Oct 5, 2011 11:32 AM PDT reply actions  

I

was there, the game went on for over 5 hours. All mass-transit was closed, there were no cabs, so we walked several miles back to the hotel that night.

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Remember, remember the best .gifs of September

http://www.sbnation.com/2011/10/5/2466123/the-best-gifs-of-september-part-i-of-iv

including, yes, of course, that huggy one.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Oct 5, 2011 11:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Look who is at UCSB

Diamond Leung
RT @ThrowbackAttack #lakers Kobe Bryant just walked into classroom at #UCSB. About to speak yfrog.com/obyllj

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nolander alert
Diamond Leung
Kobe Bryant, of course, is a UC Irvine fan. youtube.com/watch?v=7vqBGh…

by bhsportsguy on Oct 5, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah its sorta random

until you realize he lives in the OC.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Oct 5, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gender relations.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Oct 6, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Upper

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Oct 6, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Updates on McCourt vs MLB
EricFisherSBJ Eric Fisher
Gross says he will hear #Dodgers attorney disqualification dispute now on Oct. 12, not Oct. 31 as previously scheduled.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Oct 5, 2011 11:42 AM PDT reply actions  

and what's Shaikin
BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
Judge Gross: “I didn’t think very highly of the (MLB) disqualification motion, to be blunt.”

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Oct 5, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

like kids sniping at each other

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

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Pos No Player 2012 Salary
C 17 Ellis $490,000
1B 7 Loney $6,375,000
2B 37 Herrera $375,082
3B 6 Hairston $2,250,000
SS 9 Gordon $485,000
LF 23 Abreu $401,311
CF 10 Gwynn $850,000
RF 16 Ethier $10,950,000

OF/1B 33 Van Slyke $388,197
2B/3B 3 Kennedy $800,000
OF/1B 30 Sands $375,175
IF 13 DeJesus $448,992
C 18 Treanor $850,000

SP 22 Kershaw $6,000,000
SP 58 Billingsley $9,000,000
SP 29 Lilly $12,000,000
SP 44
Harang $3,000,000
SP 35 Capuano $3,000,000

CL 74
Jansen $491,000
RHP 52 Lindblom $483,000
RHP 51 Belisario $414,426
RHP 54 Guerra $488,000
RHP 28
Wright $900,000
LHP 57 Elbert $488,500
RHP 60 Coffey $1,000,000

DL 27 Kemp $10,000,000
DL 21 Rivera $4,000,000
DL 12 Sellers $481,000
DL 5 Uribe $8,000,000
DL 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
DL 14 Ellis $2,500,000
60DL 36 Hawksworth $495,000
60DL 41 De La Rosa $485,000

AA 50 Eovaldi $7,885
AAA 56 Antonini $7,869



Manny $8,087,432 deferred


Andruw $3,375,000 deferred


Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
Furcal $3,000,000 deferred
Kuroda $2,000,000 deferred
Garland $1,500,000 option buyout
Blake $1,250,000 option buyout
DFA 66 MacDougal $650,000

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$115,942,869

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