Best 19 and 20 Year Old Offensive Seasons Ever by a Los Angeles Dodger
by Phil Gurnee on Oct 5, 2011 11:51 AM PDT
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I'm starting a series looking for the best season by age for our Los Angeles Dodgers. Rules are simple for offensive players the player must have garnered at least 200 plate appearances. The pitcher must have made 10 starts or 30 relief appearances. Using BRef as the focal point for this search because of the ability to do searches and post the data I've found.
Rk Player WAR/pos PA Year Age Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB SO HBP SH SF GDP SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS Pos
1 Adrian Beltre 0.1 214 1998 19 LAD NL 77 195 18 42 9 0 7 22 14 0 37 3 2 0 4 3 1 .215 .278 .369 .648 *5/6
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Player WAR/pos PA Year Age AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Pos Adrian Beltre 3.7 614 1999 20 538 84 148 27 5 15 67 61 105 .275 .352 .428 .780 *5 Bill Russell 1.6 238 1969 20 212 35 48 6 2 5 15 22 45 .226 .301 .344 .645 *98/7 Derrell Griffith 0.3 254 1964 20 238 27 69 16 2 4 23 5 21 .290 .307 .424 .732 59/7 Ron Fairly -1.1 284 1959 20 244 27 58 12 1 4 23 31 29 .238 .324 .344 .668 *98/7
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Not surprisingly the list is small and is led by Adrian Beltre for both 19 and 20 year old seasons.
Tidbits:
Adrian Beltre - When you look at the current franchise you wouldn't think the Dodgers have a storied history of great young Dominican ballplayers but we do. From the pitching side, Martinez brothers (Ramon and Pedro), Pedro Astacio, and Alejandro Pena. From the offensive side Raul Mondesi, and Adrian Beltre. No one came faster then Adrian Beltre who was in the major leagues by age 19. Beltre's age 20 season was the greatest ever in the National League for a Dominican.
Rk Player WAR/pos Year Age Tm Lg PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB BA OBP SLG OPS Pos 1 Adrian Beltre 3.7 1999 20 LAD NL 614 84 148 27 5 15 67 61 105 18 .275 .352 .428 .780 *5 Santo Domingo D.R. 2 Jose Reyes 1.8 2003 20 NYM NL 292 47 84 12 4 5 32 13 36 13 .307 .334 .434 .769 *6 Villa Gonzalez D.R. 3 Cesar Cedeno 1.7 1971 20 HOU NL 649 85 161 40 6 10 81 25 102 20 .264 .293 .398 .690 *897/3 Santo Domingo D.R. 4 Luis Castillo 1.0 1996 20 FLA NL 180 26 43 2 1 1 8 14 46 17 .262 .320 .305 .625 *4 San Pedro de Macoris D.R. 5 Starlin Castro 0.4 2010 20 CHC NL 506 53 139 31 5 3 41 29 71 10 .300 .347 .408 .755 *6 Monte Cristi D.R. 6 Jose Gonzalez 0.2 1985 20 LAD NL 12 6 3 2 0 0 0 1 3 1 .273 .333 .455 .788 /987 Puerto Plata D.R.
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Based on his age 20 season you'd have expected Beltre to have the career he had, you just would not have expected for him to take so long to get it going. He was doing it all at age 20, power, average, plate discipline, and of course the spectacular defense at the hot corner. Easily the greatest age 20 season any offensive Dodgers has had, but it will pale compared to the best 20-year old season any Los Angeles Dodger has ever had. Beltre's 20 year old season ranks as the 7th best in the majors since the Los Angeles Dodgers came into existence.
Editors Note: Adrian was considered to be 20 when he first joined the Dodgers not 19. Age gate would end up knocking a year off his age while putting the Dodgers in front of the commissioner for signing someone before they were 16.
Rk Player WAR/pos Year Age Tm Lg PA R H 2B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Pos 1 Alex Rodriguez 9.4 1996 20 SEA AL 677 141 215 54 36 123 59 104 .358 .414 .631 1.045 *6 2 Vada Pinson 6.3 1959 20 CIN NL 706 131 205 47 20 84 55 98 .316 .371 .509 .880 *8 3 Johnny Bench 4.7 1968 20 CIN NL 607 67 155 40 15 82 31 96 .275 .311 .433 .743 *2 4 Ken Griffey 4.6 1990 20 SEA AL 666 91 179 28 22 80 63 81 .300 .366 .481 .847 *8/D 5 Claudell Washington 4.6 1975 20 OAK AL 635 86 182 24 10 77 32 80 .308 .345 .424 .769 *789 6 Jason Heyward 4.4 2010 20 ATL NL 623 83 144 29 18 72 91 128 .277 .393 .456 .849 *9 7 Roberto Alomar 3.8 1988 20 SDP NL 611 84 145 24 9 41 47 83 .266 .328 .382 .709 *4 8 Adrian Beltre 3.7 1999 20 LAD NL 614 84 148 27 15 67 61 105 .275 .352 .428 .780 *5 9 Andruw Jones 3.2 1997 20 ATL NL 467 60 92 18 18 70 56 107 .231 .329 .416 .745 *98/7 10 Butch Wynegar 3.2 1976 20 MIN AL 622 58 139 21 10 69 79 63 .260 .356 .363 .719 *2D 11 Mike Stanton 2.8 2010 20 FLA NL 396 45 93 21 22 59 34 123 .259 .326 .507 .833 *9 12 Joe Torre 2.7 1961 20 MLN NL 441 40 113 21 10 42 28 60 .278 .330 .424 .754 *2 13 Orlando Cepeda 2.5 1958 20 SFG NL 644 88 188 38 25 96 29 84 .312 .342 .512 .854 *3 14 Elvis Andrus 2.4 2009 20 TEX AL 541 72 128 17 6 40 40 77 .267 .329 .373 .702 *6 15 Tony Conigliaro 2.4 1965 20 BOS AL 586 82 140 21 32 82 51 116 .269 .338 .512 .850 *9/8
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Bill Russell was drafted in the 9th round, in 1966 at the tender age of 17 and was in the major leagues three short years later. The fleet footed Russell was strictly an outfielder in 1969 doing most of his work in right field though he was better suited for center field. He did get into 16 games in CF but with Willie Davis patrolling that spot, there was not much time for Russell. Interesting thing about Bill's 20 year old season, and I can remember this as clear as can be: He hit five home runs in only 212 at bats. I thought he was going to be the Dodger version of Bobby Murcer but Russell would play another 17 years and only manage to match or best the meager five home runs total twice. He also walked 22 times in 238 plate appearances for a walk rate of 9.2%. So while the batting average of .226 was disheartening, he still had a plus .300 OB% and those five home runs. He would end his career with a walk rate of 5.3%. So the home run power, the plate discipline in 1969 were simply mirages and what looked like the beginning of a storied career was simply the beginning of a long career of mediocrity.
Derrell Griffith was brought upto the team in June of 1964 and banged out seven multiple hit games out his first 16 and was hitting a robust .346 on July 2nd.. He also had an OB% of .346. That can't end well and it didn't. He did manage to end the year with a .290 batting average in 254 plate appearances but those five walks might have been the chink in his armor. He played just about every game in Sept/Oct, but in the outfield, not as the 3rd baseman he came up as. In 1965 he didn't make the team, played sparingly in the middle of the summer and in Sept call up time. By 1967 his career was over with only 315 plate appearances and 254 came in his 20-year old season.
Ron Fairly came up at the age of 20 in 1959 16 games into the season to play some outfield. He stuck around all year and showed some of the skills he'd own the rest of his long and storied career. Fairly is one of few players to have a walk rate > 11% and a K rate below 13.5%. He would end up being sent back down in 1960 but I bet we see him again on this list at age 22.
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But when Adrian Beltre was 19, he wasn’t 19, or so we thought.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I know you mentioned the age kerfluffle. This comment is directed more to the excitement. When he came up, we were told that he was (I believe) 21, which meant while he was pretty solid at 20, our enthusiasm was tempered by thinking that he was a year older than he actually was. Some of the phenom-building is retroactive.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Some of the phenom-building is retroactive.
True to a point, I don’t recall being any less excited thinking he was 20 and 21insead of 19 and 20.
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He was definitely impressive as a young player, and made even more impressive when he lost that year. So instead of thinking we were seeing what amounted to a superlative season by a 20-year-old, we thought we were seeing a very good season by a 21-year-old.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Phil, love the series idea and the writeup. This particular paragraph is a bit confusing though. At the time we all thought he was 20 but you write that
When I finally saw him I remember my first thought being that he was the biggest 19 year I’d seen, huge butt and thighsas if you knew then he was 19. Then when you get to
So when age gate came I always suspected he was older then his birth certificate, yet the Dodgers suffered a penalty because he turned out to be exactly his age.I got more confused at first. Isn’t the history:
- We all thought he was a 20-year old rookie
- Age-gate: a bunch of Dominicans turned out to be older than they had said
- Beltre turned out to be younger, by one-year, thus his first year was really his age-19 season.
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But the first part of your paragraph doesn’t read that way. Perhaps you want to consider a modification?
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Beltre turned out to be younger, by one-year, thus his first year was really his age-19 season.
Why did that happen?
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he was really 15 when the Dodgers signed him, not sixteen as he told them.
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but in baseball they usually lie
to make themselves seem younger
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beltre was so good he did it backwards
by delias man on Oct 5, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
TWSS
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by David Young on Oct 5, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So he could sign. He was too young to take the money otherwise.
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We lost a number one pick because of it.
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The commisioner is always treating the Dodgers differently.
by Michael White on Oct 5, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
At the time of the hearing there were legitimate fears that the commissioner would make him a free agent.
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Fairly certain Boras was arguing for the scenario since his client had signed the document before he was of age he should not be tied to the team who illegally signed him. Or I could be as confused as I was about the fact I thought Beltre was 19 not 20.
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Setting aside the obvious monetary reasons that Boras would make that argument, he does have a good point.
by Michael White on Oct 5, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
If Beltre lied to the team and if the team had no reason to think he was lying, why should the team be penalized for Adrian’s fraud?
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I would not be surprised in the slightest.
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I’m guessing that is why we only lost a 1st round pick and not the player. Still a stiff penalty but they way were drafting back then hardly a big deal.
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well maybe it is but it seems like
an odd source for it.
^ Dayn Perry, “Do Players Perform Better in Contract Years?”, Baseball Between the Numbers: Why Everything You Know About the Game is Wrong, (New York, NY, Basic Books and Baseball Prospectus, 2005), p. 200-01.
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The Dodgers had number one picks every year so I’m going with that.
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They did technically lose him. He was declared a free agent, but were given negotiating rights, and he re-signed.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I’m asking because on this I’m going by memory and I could a whole lot of wrong.
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Which is why I did not go into any detail in the story about his age gate story.
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Because the story is about Beltre having the best 20 year old season, not the complete history of Beltre.
That would make for an interesting story given what he’s doing these day. 15 home runs in 20 games. Unbelievable. Reg would say it is Fluke II
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I guess I should have seen Beltre being mediocre for five years then coming back.
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Loney says yes:)
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by Phil Gurnee on Oct 5, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hm. Apparently Boras’ motion was denied, they just had to pay him damages. I misremembered.
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/12/22/sports/baseball-dodgers-get-to-keep-beltre-but-are-penalized.html
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as did I
So in summary:
1. Lost rights to sign Dominicans for one year
2. Did not lose any draft picks
3. Was not granted free agency
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Dodgers kept his rights per Selig, but the players association appealed on behalf of Beltre. Selig wanted the Dodgers and Boras to work out a deal before ruling on that.
Dodgers initially renewed Beltre at $330,000 for 2000 (he made $220,000 the year before), but ultimately on March 23 signed a three-year, $5.05 million deal.
Isn’t it up to the team to prove a players age? Even more so when dealing with a minor who quite possibly wasn’t even legally old enough to agree to any such deal.
I never have looked into the exact details of this case or his contract so I honestly don’t know. I just know that here in the US there have been many contracts voided when it turns out they were signed by someone who wasn’t old enough to be legally bound by the contract (not talking sports contracts here).
Phillies Lineup
Rollins SS
Utley 2B
Pence RF
Howard 1B
Victorino CF
Ibanez LF
Polanco 3B
Ruiz C
Oswalt P
TLR
put up two lineups. One with Holliday. One without. BP will determine if he can play.
If Holliday plays he’ll bat fifth behind Berkman, Schumaker will be at second base.
If he doesn’t play Schumaker will be in left field, Theriot will be at second.
Quite a photo of Mick on the ad for Jane Leavy's book "The Last Boy"
Looks like a 20 year old Bill Russell
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He almost looks more like the dude from A Serious Man
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Oh dear...
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McCourt just got pwned by MLB attorney
updates here
http://twitter.com/BillShaikin
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Ultimately
this becomes an issue of whether or not the commissioner has the power or can the Court step in and use available Federal Bankruptcy laws to overrule MLB.
can you post them?
can’t access twitter here
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say that...? Looks like a loss for McCourt today, no?
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No. See below.
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But yes, we'll know more officially when Gross rules in a day or so
and on Oct 12.
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BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
Hearing over. Another loss for McCourt.
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“.. and perhaps not even relevant to the issue of bad faith.”
37 minutes ago
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Gross: “To open this up at this point to all of baseball, to the other 29 teams, would be more burdensome than is appropriate …”
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Gross says he might allow additional discovery based on what he hears at key hearing — based on evidence, he says, not allegations
38 minutes ago
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Gross: “What I am likely to do is say, I am not going to permit the discovery” and limit testimony to MLB v Dodgers issue
39 minutes ago
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Gross: “I am likely not to expand or extend the discovery beyond what was in the order.”
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Ditto these earlier tweets
(I’m skipping the ones about either side’s attorney’s at this point since what Judge says/rules obviously more important)
Read from bottom up
BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
Gross sees “potential bad faith” between McCourt and Selig as an issue, but not involving other teams. MLB denies any bad faith.
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Gross: “It’s the course of conduct between the parties to the litigation.”
55 minutes ago
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Gross cites power of commissioner dating to Black Sox: “They wanted to put in a man to rule MLB like a dictator.”
56 minutes ago
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Gross: " By opening the discovery to the extent you’re talking about, it would be almost impossible for me to adjuicate."
56 minutes ago
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Judge Gross: “The power of the commissioner is akin to but far greater than the business judgment rule.”
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1 has nothing to do with the other
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bought it yesterday and surprise surprise! it is repeatedly kicking me in my balls
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This is why we spell it Gurnee and not Gurney
1. gurney
1. Someone addicted to the gym or someone extremely vain and obsessed with physical appearance
2. Someone resembling a baboon
3. Someone with extremely bad comebacks and stories
4. Someone with a very hot mum/pushy/bossy/dominating
5. Someone who gets wound up very easy and often resorts to violence to solve or settle arguments, in paricular picking on those smaller or with less muscles
6. Someone who can bench 110 at 1 rep
7. Someone who at school does absolutly no work but still manages to get average grades
8. Someone who is attracted by ex-nottingham forest and england international footballers
9. Someone who runs with their arms sticking out at the side
Gurney should in no circumstance be used in a positive way it should be used to describe negative things or to be used in conjunction with a profanity.
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Nine made me chuckle for some reason.
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Because it is funny and so easy to picture
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I searched on this because of the bitter beer photo. I could have sworn “pulling a gurney” was making a face as contorted as you could but alas all I could find was this nugget.
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Scioscia14's
first post on the AZ Fall League is up.
was able to talk to Songco. He will not be playing in the AFL, but will be playing in the Co-op League.
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Hippy.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I was vegetarian the whole time I lived in that co-op, was even vegan for a year. Had dreads. Cheese pizza was my undoing
Fat Slice FTMFW!
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Fat Slice for MF sure, but also the Bears Lair bought a pizza oven and that became me every Cal road game.
Can't wait when we get to other end of the spectrum
Codgers? Dodgers!
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Gross lists who he will hear at key hearing: MLB, #Dodgers, creditors committee, Fox Sports, Jamie McCourt, season ticket holders.
Why season ticket holders? They are nobodies!!
He’s a publicity hound now. The season ticket holders are not creditors; they are not owed any money.
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Maybe because of the lawsuit the season ticket holders have placed against McCourt?
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They sued to be a part of the hearing. The judge could have ruled they have no standing.
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Must think the case has merit and could become a creditor? Hey if Frank can borrow money based on his lawsuit against his own lawyers, hearing from wealthy season ticket holders who have combined forces to sue Frank might be something he’d want to hear. These aren’t the Loge people, these are the heavy hitters of the season ticket world are they not?
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They could simply be publicity seekers. I have no idea who they are.
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i remember in August 2005 i complained that they sucked and i wanted the rest of my money back for the remaining games. They told me tough shit, we didn’t force you to buy them. I would say the same thing to these people.
I am curious though if these are indeed the high rollers, what they may have been promised that they feel the Dodgers did not live upto.
If these are Jon Lovitz seats we are talking 100,000 seats:
According to a story from the Huffington Post (thanks Ian),the Dodgers are suing Lovitz and 100 others for allegedly failing to pay nearly $100,000 in season ticket holdings. The Delaware-based Dodger Tickets LLC filed the breach-of-contract lawsuit Monday in Los Angeles. (Here’s a video of Jon Lovitz playing former Dodger coach Tommy Lasorda in a 1990 SNL sketch.) The lawsuit claims Lovitz and the 100 other ticket holders entered into a written agreement in March of 2008 to buy three Dugout Club seats (VIP section) for all home games at Dodger Stadium in 2008, 2009 and 2010, which apparently they have not paid
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what could they not live up to?
Here is parking, free food and these bad ass seats. now pay us what is owed. seems pretty simple.
A) Who the hell signs a three-year contract for season tickets?
B) If they don’t pay, they don’t get their tickets.
How is this a thing?
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A. I would guess for the same reason anyone does a contract. You get the same price for all three years.
B. Dodgers probably couldn’t find anyone else to pay them money for the tickets so they would get the money from the people who promised them the money in the first place instead of trying to re-sell the tickets.
I am just wondering who makes up the Children of Frank Sinatra group and I’m simply guessing they are a group of very high rollers being that Frank’s kids are probably not fraternizing with the Craigs of the world in the reserved section. Which would mean they probably have some decent lawyers and why they are getting their foot in the door of the proceeding. All guesses on my part.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
The lame joke we will hear repeatedly
If the hearing runs from 9 to 4, 33% of the season ticket holders will be there from 11 – 2, the rest will no-show.
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You should tweet that so Underdog can rant at you
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Hah! I've got more important things to rant about these days ;-)
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and
performed best of all of the 4 big ones.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
WIthout looking I’m going to ponder if Beltre had a higher WAR then Werth, Crawford, and Dunn combined?
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Dunn's -2.9 WAR drags them all down to -0.2
Beltre was 5.7
this is Fangraphs WAR BTW
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking negative war would come into play
and it would be a fairly easy victory. Didn’t expect it to be that drastic though
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Would be an interesting story.
Taking the four highest FA contracts per year and seeing how they did WAR rise and how many times one player was better then any of the other three combined.
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But you probably do have a nice paragraph for our FA articles for this offseason, along the lines of “last season we profiled the four biggest FA, but no one would have predicted that Adrian Beltre would outperform, by far measured by WAR, the other three combined.”
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How about I just feed you ideas and data and you write the paragraphs?
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Cliff Lee money had to get spent somewhere to keep the fans from revolting. (Yes, but now they’re rebelling.)
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
it was also to keep him away from the angels
GODDAMMIT ANGELS WTF
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He had a sick year with Boston
I’m glad he was able to duplicate it with Texas (or somewhat close anyway).
If we were in the playoffs
we might have had a game called for rain. Amazing for Oct 5th. Is MammothDodgers already skiiing?
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You have all been saved
of having to ignore my post about how my Home Team Dodger Scoresheet team winning the Championship.
Because we didn’t. Even though I unloaded Josh Johnson, Dee Gordon, Nathan Eovaldi, Jerry Sands for Miggy Cabrera in a deadline deal it was not enough to overcome Chad Billingsley fucking up the playoffs. Kemp hitting 40 home runs was not enough. Kershaw was not enough. Fuck you Chad
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Is this similar to Baseball Mogul?
Damn I need to find somewhere to get that game, I want to go back to 2005 and see if I can turn it around before the downfall. Too bad it means no Kershaw in 06 :(
This book I'm reading
claims a team winning two-thirds of its games would get bookies odds of 1-2. Is this true?
Possibly?
Too many unknown factors in an open statement like that for it to stand true all the time.
the sentence is
“On the face of it, winning two-thirds of the time – meaning bookies’ odds if 1-2 on – is not too shabby in a two horse race”
I'm glad he responded
to the guy who asked if he liked turtles. The suspense was killing me.
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that was random tweet of the night, made me laugh out loud
skinnyswag9 Dee Gordon
"@horsesandfish: @skinnyswag9 hey man huge fan….do u like turtles???? #bleedblue"like the animal?
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No, the guys who sang “Elenore”.
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But I am guessing two 20something tweeters are not that familiar with the music group..
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They went to high school with my dad.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Before they were Flo and Eddie. Who would have thunk that the “Happy Together” guys would end up members of the Mother of Invention?
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Biggest shock to me doing this story was remembering Bill Russell hit five home runs in his debut season.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I did not know that. Cool fact.
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Dylan kids because he loves
dylanohernandez Dylan Hernandez
Says the guy who had as many bylines during the season as Velez had hits. RT @jorgearangure: for updates on Dylan’s couch follow Dylan
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LOL
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Does anyone here use the “narrow” view option on this site? Is that even an option anymore (I never see it)?
If there is anyone in narrow view, can you let me know if all the columns on the payroll worksheet show up? It goes to 2014 now.
Not me
In the upper right of the main page, in the TBLA widget (I think it’s a widget):
View Contrib Dashboard Narrow Wide
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Go figure. I never realized there was a wide view option. I’ve always used narrow on all the sites I go to on SBNation.
Changing it to wide is going to take time to get used to.
For those who have been hating on McCarver
I kind of doubt that a manager two weeks removed from competing against the Yankee’s can be very honest in his assessment of what is going on.
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oh jesus christ
“if the red sox arent in the playoffs we need to manufacture some way to talk about them as much as we possibly can”
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 5, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Zooey power
I underestimated her drawing power. Not a fan of the show but people are watching.
people want to have sex with her
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 5, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
One of the guy roommates
seems like a good character, the other one seems kind of week but has been good for some laughs and the other one hasn’t really done anything of note.
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I liked the pilot
the 2nd episode was eh with some good moments, haven’t seen the 3rd one yet.
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She's adorable
Haven’t watched the show though.
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I could be like my friend who has the game on his phone for the playoffs who sits next to me
but I’m not and I didn’t realize that’s what he was talking about.
He was unaware of time differences?
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I mean I took Nolander’s comment to mean “how are all you people watching this game and not working.”
Strange comment for a daytime regular on TBLA
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Commenting at your desk using your work computer is like a billion times more passive an activity than being able to watch the game during the day.
One of the things I miss about working at Time Warner Cable was all the tvs all over the office
Muted of course, but with sports it wouldn’t matter. I watched a ton of Dodger games the nights I worked in the summer, lol.
When I was in high school I interned at Time Warner for one summer, and for a few weeks of that my “workstation” was in the breakroom in the back. I was doing some mundane data entry or something and basically watched MTV the entire time.
Good times.
I watched Music Television when they showed music videos.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are older then I thought
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No one thinks the meercat is younger than he is.
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Bruce Springsteen, Madonna
Way before Nirvana
There was U2 and Blondie
And music still on MTV
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1985 is by Bowling for Soup (who also do the Phineas and Ferb theme song).
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
by Nolij on Oct 5, 2011 11:37 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Really
when commenting I’m typing like this
when watching the game at work I’d doing this
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That's what happens
To people who wear colored contacts.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Oct 5, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Sigh back
He’s talking to us members is he not, didn’t every one pay 3.99 to watch the Division Series?
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Yes, but we trust Phil’s opinion.
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I blame Craig, he said we’d get the TBS feed and I figured he knew more then you since he always does.
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Some Limey’s kidnapped the real Craig and we are left with this fake who takes cracks at Don Stockton and gives us bad advice. We should put together a search party.
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Screw Dal Stockton and the horse he rode in on.
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Saw this tweet from Nate Stuhlbarg at CSN Bay Area
So, @ShaneVictorino, meet #RonnieBrown…
I still haven’t seen the play, but that sounds hilarious.
would love to see this .gif in super slow mo, can .gif’s be done in slo mo?
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there used to be a website that would break it down frame by frame
but it appears to be gone
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Rollins has 9 hits in 14 at-bats, including four doubles, plus one walk. He has scored six runs in the series.
Paging Mr. Sabean. Paging Mr. Brian Sabean.
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James Loney Circa Pre Aug 2011
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Jim Loney Circa Post Aug 2011
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That dude really seems to have a thing for his boobs.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Oct 5, 2011 3:50 PM PDT reply actions
Don’t get me wrong, the sushi was good (and I mean, you can’t get better sushi than high desert sushi!). But that final order should not have been placed.
I’ve come to really like sushi over the last 9 or so months, but I think I’ve developed the rule of No Ocean=No Sushi
Next lunch
O Shun (I don’t know if they intended the pun or not) on Main Street.
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How close to the ocean do you have to be? Eric’s probably less than 100 miles from the ocean.
by Michael White on Oct 5, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Silly question I’m sure but does anyone eat fresh water Sushi?
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Brewers Lineup
Hart RF
Hairston 3B
Braun LF
Fielder 1B
Weeks 2B
Betancourt SS
Gomez CF
Kottaras C
Wolf P
D'Backs Lineup
Bloomquist SS
Hill 2B
Upton RF
Montero C
Goldschmidt 1B
Roberts 3B
Young CF
Parra LF
Saunders P
6:37 pm on TBS
Can a solid lineup 2 – 8 beat a beastly 3 / 4?
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I keep waiting to hear
Tommy Heinson chime in about how great Larry Bird is playing.
#DickStocktonshouldhavestoppedbroadcastinginthe80s
Stockton is one of those guys who when you hear their age you think he is older. He is 69, but seems much older.
He was 33 when he called Carlton Fisk’s home run.
BH
were you just critical of Dave Stockton?
Did London food sour you?
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You should be following @awfulannouncing. They’re highlighting all of Stockton’s miscues. Like:
RT @bch8109: @awfulannouncing Stockton referred to Pence and Oswalt as “former” teammates.
you can be “former” and “current” teammates if it was with different teams can’t you?
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I hope they changed the bumper to the next commercial break
to “The Stripper”.
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From the boxscore looks like EJax has settled down.
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More like 2nd starter
which would be cool beans
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CJ or EJ getting the bigger deal this winter?
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I was going to say Wilson will get a contract double in value to Jackson, but that is slight hyperbole. I do think Wilson easily though gets a bigger deal.
In the last few weeks I switched to new Gameday for the first time all year (I liked going back to particular AB in old Gameday), but the only thing I don’t like about new vs. old is that ads on new Gameday prevent you from doing anything like looking at the boxscore; in old Gameday, the ad would run but you could still look at the box score on the side.
you don't like being able
to go back to previous at bats?
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Been snowing all day
Is it really only Oct 5th, 6 inches or so in town and more up high. Check out this picture from Tuolumne Meadows today.
12 to 18 inches according to Yosemite Wilderness Rangers. Man was the “Summer” short this year, here is hoping we get a long warm “Indian Summer”
Vicious rumor around town is the fabled 1000 inch winter
only 167% of the largest ever recorded in Mammoth. I put little wieght in anyones non science based guess., but I have a hope for something near normal about 450 inches on the mountain.
by MammothDodger on Oct 5, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Caught a dusting in the hills above Carson City
Beautiful shot. Not even ready for Winter, though.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Oct 5, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I really want to see the remake that is coming out this year
I doubt it’s any good, but it looks somewhat scary.
I predict you will love it
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i knew you'd say that /Judge Dred
I highly doubt it. I probly love so many movies because i only go to watch movies that i want to see, I rarely see movies that look like I won’t like them.
There are some movies that I’ve been dragged to, for instance, that I can’t stand.
Also, I’m not a puppy!
I highly doubt it. I probly love so many movies because i only go to watch movies that i want to see, I rarely see movies that look like I won’t like them.
I hate to break it to you but thats what most people do. Some movies fail to live up to the hype for people.
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People voluntarily go to watch movies like Date Movie, Shark Night (which is ironically awesome if you don’t care if it’s a good movie), any Tyler Perry movie. I counter with the fact that people see shitty movies all the time expecting something good, and there’s no reason to expect that with a lot of movies. I am more selective with the type of movies I watch that I’m sure I will enjoy. It’s been a long time since I’ve been disappointed with a movie I’ve gone to see*
*Spiderman 3, how you broke my heart.
I don't think you are understanding the concept
that just because you think a movie looks bad that other people think the same thing.
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Bobby – misunderstanding concepts since the day IIIvdown told him the key to life was getting tail and the next day Bobby was wearing one
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by meercatjohn on Oct 5, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think you're understanding me
I don’t see movies I know I won’t like.
The last time I did, that I wasn’t dragged to, was 4 years ago.
My point isn’t that what I think is bad is what other people think is bad, my point is people go see movies they think will be good but pretty much offered not much even before they went to see it.
NO NO NO
the majority go out of their way to watch movies they don’t expect to like.
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i would say
a lot of people see “whatever is playing” within reason. i was always the weirdo who would not go out with a bunch of friends in middle school to see random movies, unless i really wanted to see the movie. most people just liked being around people and seeing movies is an excuse for that. for a lot of people.
middle schoolers /= most people
When I want to be around people, sitting in a dark room not talking to them for two hours is not my first choice. No one ever suggested TBLA movie night, did they?
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TBLAers /= most people hehe
I think it applies to HS age and even college and dating age. How many couples see movies both of them want to see?
I dunno
Successful couples learn to compromise; couples that don’t tend to cease being couples. I guess.
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Mine is 90% raised. We are a long term couple because we like the same things. Dating folk don’t have that gig yet.
I find it cool that I can watch an enjoy an Irish movie like Ned Devine that Verdell suggested while she can enjoy Ironman.
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Ditto that, with the same example.
That said, Sue will occasionally attend a movie by herself when I am busy with other things, and that’s when she picks one I don’t have any interest in.
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Movie Night at a house is whole different kettle of fish.
1. Outdoor Screen
2. Theatre Popcorn Machine
3. Pause / Rewind to hear the joke again because Josie was making some point about how British humor is advanced over American humor
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i would love to
have a TBLA movie night series.
different members pick double features.
My picks would be Sukiyaki Django Western and American Movie
mannn
sukiyaki is BAD ASS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-TGaGa3QAc
and American Movie is a super legit, hilarious, documentary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7N2Jz1en4w
I loved Sukiyaki Western Django!!
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess it is an age thing. Other then seeing kid movies with Verdell’s class we have not seen a movie with other people in our 20 years of marriage.
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We have done the dinner and a movie thing with another couple two or three times. You do have the opportunity to discuss the movie immediately after amongst the four of you, but other than that….
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Im sure people hate me for it
But when I see movies with friends I will make jokes about stuff happening in them during the movie. It only works if there is someone next to you, but you can still do that. I’m not loud or obnoxious about it, but still able to joke around and have a good time during the movie.
That is because you have friends
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I had people over this weekend
For dinner and to watch Sweet Smell of Success.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Different to watch at home vs. in theater.
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probably should add the disclaimer that that is not my picture
I stole it from Yosemite NP facebook page
by MammothDodger on Oct 5, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Eric sighs
Calls the SBN lawyers once again
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awesome
not lambert dome I assume. My dad is up fishing near Tom’s Place right now, 10K ft elevation. Hope he likes snow fishing. :) I am surprised Tioga pass was open for someone to be hiking in the snow there. Cool pic though.
Tioga is closed
that pic was taken by park rangers.
if your dad is at 10k hope he has a warm dry place to be.
by MammothDodger on Oct 5, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Phillies
Cardinals
Joe West
Angel Hernandez
This series is chock full of assholes.
by Eric Stephen on Oct 5, 2011 4:25 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
For every game
Each stadium is a bowl of dicks.
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Victorino?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
by mleadman on Oct 5, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
“Russ, get me my hammer….I’m going to catch [that squirrel] in my coat, and smack it with a hammer.”
-Clark W. Griswold
that made me LOL almost as much as the squirrel himself did.
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this is the best one
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Squirrels are literally the stupidest animals I’ve ever had to interact with.
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with all the peanuts
eaten, and dropped, at a stadium you’d think it would be lousy with squirrels
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
on the other hand
they’re terrified of people.
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Oct 5, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
The Wall Street Journal is saying that Apple has confirmed it.
by Michael White on Oct 5, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn, some people really impact the world and he was one. Cancer is such the equalizer
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Indeed, and indeed.
His legacy is pretty amazing. Very sad.
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Its amazing he lasted as long as he did after the diagnosis. Pancreatic is usually a quick death sentence
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I’m surprised he lasted as long as he did after the Lisa.
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Yeah
basically he was able to get away with fucking one sheep
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Wow, Freese is on fire!
2 run blast!
No squirrel or Victorino could catch that!
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I have bought
2 Mac computers, Ipod, Ipad, Nano and probably an I-Phone, Steve Jobs certainly along with Bill Gates and a few others changed technology in my lifetime to something that was as far removed as you can get from the individual to something that most people now cannot envision being without.
Had a nice run after the Lisa.
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Now THAT was a computer
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Heh – I hadn’t got down here yet.
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My sister
is deputy design editor at the Times and was working on the obit layout a couple weeks ago so I was expecting Jobs to go soon
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Anyone else?
Newcombe?
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She would have no idea who Newcombe was and they wont devote 2+ pages to him
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
and she's probably bitching this very minute
as this will be an all nighter for her
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I hate the Phillies enough where they have made me root hard for the Cardinals. 'nuff said.
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But then
After the phillies are gone…i’m equally opposed to the remaining NL teams winning the WS. Except maybe the Diamondbacks, for the glory of the NL West. I was planning on rooting for them until Parra’s bitch ass.
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by Taylor Maricle on Oct 5, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
This isn’t college football. We don’t get satisfaction from an NL West team winning the Series.
For example, see SFG winning last year.
by Michael White on Oct 5, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but that's the Giants.
the other 3 teams i don’t mind winning, since everyone always talks shit about the NL West.
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by Taylor Maricle on Oct 5, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck the Padres, DBacks and Rockies too. I wish them all misery.
by Michael White on Oct 5, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel bad for the Padres
Can’t bring myself to hate them.
The Rockies annoy me because ever since 2007 everyone seems to overrate them at the beginning of every season because “Don’t count out the Rockies!”, but i have nothing against the team itself.
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by Taylor Maricle on Oct 5, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
You didn’t get to meet Michael at the softball game but contrary to one’s perception he is not tied into a thousand knots with hatred, it just seems that way.
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The Padres are usually bad and usually beat us, to hell with them.
Rockies are managed by Jim Tracy
Got nothin against the D’Backs.
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Philly fans are worse in my mind
Boston/NY fans at least seem to be primarily sports fans. Philly fans are primarily douchebags
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by Taylor Maricle on Oct 5, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Not saying all of them are
Just that a statistically significant percentage of them are more douchey than normal.
From my experience, maybe i’ve just met the worst of them and the rest are awesome, but that’s what i know from them.
Also, Victorino.
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by Taylor Maricle on Oct 5, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Chuckling
I love teenagers with these pronouncements that include “from/in my experience”
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Don't care/phuck the phillies.
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by Taylor Maricle on Oct 5, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Come on, what kind of person who isn’t from Philly would root for a team with a rotation of Hallady / Lee / Hamels/ Oswalt
something about an underdog that really inspires the unexceptional.
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this is all I hear, every time someone says anything anti-Philly
Boo! Your team is good at baseball, good enough to beat the Dodgers twice and win one World Series. And you’re still a very good baseball team! Boo!
Also your player got upset our pitcher tried to behead him.
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Being irrational is part of being a fan
We aren’t broadcasters, trying (well for some) to show no bias.
that doesn’t account for pitching.
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They still got Carpenter/Garcia,and if Wairnright had been healthy this year the Cardinals would be right there with the Phillies.
I think the only true underdog team in the playoffs is the Dbax.
All the other teams are loaded.
Still need two other SP. Also Hamels and Lee help neutralize Berkman who hit .242 / .333 / .411 / .744 against LHP. Not terrible, but not to be feared.
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If the Cards win the NLDS
The Phillies will not make the playoffs next year.
2008: Win WS
2009: Get to WS
2010: Get to NLCS
2011: Get to NLDS
2012: No playoffs.
Science.
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Phillies still have to be feeling good knowing they have Halliday lined up for Friday.
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my hatred for the Phillies comes from
them knocking us out in the NLCS twice and then letting the Giants roll over them.
by dodgerpreacher on Oct 5, 2011 5:27 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I can’t bring myself to ultimately root for Texas because they lost to the fucking Giants last year.
Same.
I’m pulling for Detriot in the AL and the D-backs in the NL.
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by Taylor Maricle on Oct 5, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
meh, can’t root for any team that has a “Beat L.A.” chant. Brewers and Cardinals NLCS please.
by dodgerpreacher on Oct 5, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Even though i want the Dodgers to sign him
I’ve never forgiven Fielder for that BS where he tried to storm the Dodger clubhouse.
I can’t bring myself to root for the Brewers either.
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by Taylor Maricle on Oct 5, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Dbax are the easiest team to root for.
Cards/Phils/Yanks/Rangers/Tigers have all been to the World Series in the last 5 years.
And who cares about Milwaukee..
The best part of this country
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I’m always upfront. I hate the Phillies. It’s irrational and I don’t care.
Fuck them.
by Alex41592 on Oct 5, 2011 5:28 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
I’m pulling for the Rays
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Victorino and Parra – two of my favorite players.
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Dbax are set for a run of greatness…Parra, Upton, Goldschmidt, Montero, Hudson, Kennedy are really good players all relatively cheap and signed for a while.
That's what we all thought with Chris Young, Drew, Haren, Webb, Tracy, Montero, etc...
I think they will be a lot like the Padres and fluctuate with their record every year.
They rely on Kevin Towers’ ability to find role players.
by dodgerpreacher on Oct 5, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Considering he “found” Geoff Blum, Wilie Bloomquist, Sean Burroughs and some other lousy players I can’t remember this year
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I"m impressed with a GM who traded his 3rd best 1st baseman for a needed relief pitcher, installed a AA stud at 1st baseman, then signed off waiver a 1st baseman who was better then the guy he traded for relief help.
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dbax did get some nice surprises..
Collmenter and Ryan Roberts.
But i think their youngsters that people thought would be good are good and will continually be good.
Baseball teaches us
that there are no guarantees about that. Injuries and just plain plateauing tends to even things out.
I’m with you. In 2007 they had good pitching but not young. They have two young excellent starters. They’ll be around for a while.
Good chance Parker and Bauer will be better then either Kennedy or Hudson. They certainly have better pedigree’s then them. And they will be pitching in 2012.
I’ve said before I like their future better then anyone else’s in the division. Anything can happen though, like Justin Upton breaking a leg but we all know we have yet to see the best of him. And the best of him is going to be scary.
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That could be true
but unless they can shore their finances and figure out how to draw more fans, they too will reach some barriers.
2012 looks pretty good for them. Anyone important is locked up and they lose some bad contracts.
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I’m sure Collmenter will.
But they’ll have Parker, Skaggs, Bauer to choose from to replace him from.
Perhaps, but none will compare to the almighty Withrow!
HAIL WITHROW!
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by Taylor Maricle on Oct 5, 2011 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
It's nice to have great prospects
But like Taylor just pointed out, a team’s top prospect could need more time in the minors (skaggs or bauer) or not do what was expected of them.
No, i'm just kidding around saying withrow will be better than all of them.
Stop attributing intelligent subtexts to my idiotic statements.
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by Taylor Maricle on Oct 5, 2011 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I know that, haha
I’m just using him as an example of someone looking awesome and not doing much for 2 years. :(
That should happen, this was probably his career season but I fear he will still be better then our Chad.
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Fuck that, choose drunkenness.
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Good young pitchers in AZ (Kennedy, Hudson) and more in the pipeline. They have a chance.
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and Theriot will then walk salty.
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Just inched a little closer to CJ Wilson tonight.
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One of the few times I'd agree with Joey Joe
If you can get him for maybe 3 or 4 years at a reasonable price I don’t see why not. If he goes above say 10-12 million you don’t do it.
You'd pay over 12 million a year and likely 5 years (thinking now I can't see him going less than 5)
for Edwin Jackson, a guy who has been good, but never great?
Edwin Jackson has had an ERA+ over 100 twice in his career. He’s just not that good of a pitcher.
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EJ's a guy that should be better than he is
With his velocity and assortment of pitches, his k rate should be alot higher.
Maybe he’s a guy that you chance developing into an ace, even though it hasnt happened yet.
It is 2 of the last 3 seasons though. And a 95 in between.
FIP/xFIP for the last 3 seasons:
4.28 / 4.32 - ’09
3.86 / 3.71 – ’10
3.55 / 3.73 – ’11
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Right, mistook his total FIP for this years looks better than I thought.
Still, paying a mediocre player like he’s a star player is what leads to the truly terrible contracts and there’s a reason he’s on his fifth team in three years.
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Honestly signing him to a five year deal gives me Darren Dreifort flashbacks.
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I get that. Still, he’s going into his age-28 season. But I can’t see many GMs handing a deal longer than 3-4 years for a middle of the rotation guy.
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I would hope not and that people use Jorge De La Rosa as a starting point, but the Yankees and Red Sox are flush with cash and need pitching, plus a lot of teams are on the verge of competing and have money to spend.
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also more that i think about it..
I dont think Kershaw will let himself have a FA year bought out. He’s a starting pitcher with alot of innings already on his belt…if he’s thinking of getting paid..he’s going to want to get to his free agency ASAP bc in his free agent year is when he’ll get the huge 8/200 deal or whatever..
If he lets a year be bought out, thats another year he has to stay healthy before getting to free agency.
Against the risk of damaging the arm while still taking year-to-year, arb-fueled raises. There’s always two sides to that decision.
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Get this kid to give Mike MacDougal lessons
per SB Nation Arizona, in Phoenix covering NLDS Game 4:
Blind kid threw a strike! #FirstPitch Are you watching this Curt Schilling?
Roberts does to the Brewers
what he did to the Dodgers
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Brewers have a chance
not like Saunders is a world beater
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I definitely said (in Nelson Muntz voice) "HAH. HAH. Parra." on that one.
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Slam?
Why not a fucking 3-run homer?
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Could swore I typed a bunch of question marks at the end of that????/
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Weird. I typed a lot more than that.
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very early
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
yup
so who’s the long man?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
owings or parker
Wolf’s probably done too.
He threw 81 pitches in 3 innings and he’s due up in the 4th.
Owings
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, not the greatest job by old friend Randy Wolf tonight.
Not over yet though.
But if this score holds, 3 out of 4 Division Series will go to the maximum 5th game? That would be something.
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i would like to see a Brewer/Cardinal NLCS
if only for teh drama
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
only gets one out, leaves with the bases loaded
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Still can’t fucking believe it’s not butter
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
desert air
done him good
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
{comment redacted to not rankle Phil}
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DBacks have gotten the big hits
that eluded the Brewers tonight
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Yankees will probably be favored
by too much in Game #5 tomorrow (Fister vs Nova). 60.2% chance of winning per Vegas.
Whichever Dodger scout recommended taking Goldschmidt is sitting back watching this game sayin….“yep, knew it all along…should have signed him”
they drafted him pretty late didn't they?
they probably didn’t offer much money.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
how would we tell? :)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
i'd say so
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
hall of fame
His english has also gotten alot better since he was in LA.
I heard him interviewed yesterday.
he could potentially
get 3000 hits and 500 HR. If he doesn’t reach those milestones, he’ll at least be close.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
wow
he had less than 500 ABs this year, but still hit 32 HR. I wonder if he could hit 50 in TEX if he says healthy?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
stays*
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Jered Weaver is at TGIfridays in Simi Valley right now
I was supposed to be there too but Im feeling sick tonight. A friend called me and told me then got a picture of him.
Brewers can still take it in game 5 at home
but have to be a little worried about their pitching in these two games. Even if AZ can score in droves in that home park… I mean even if they make WS, could be a little worrisome.
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Braun and Fielder
have really been held in check in AZ
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 10:00 PM PDT reply actions
George Harrison (in an old interview, shown in his documentary) said taking LSD gave him “a concentrated version of the best feeling I have ever had in my life.”
Been watching that, it's good so far
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d-backs win
earlier today, I told one of my buddies that the Cards and Brewers would both win.
only half right
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 10:04 PM PDT reply actions
Gallardo been great his last 4 games
28.1 ip
45ks
4 bbs
I’d say Brewers have a big advantage going back home with him on the mound.
agreed
but Kennedy is no slouch
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I took the under yesterday on az/mil and got a split. Debated the over today but didn’t do it and I regret it.
Hopin the tigers make it happen.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Oct 5, 2011 10:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
according to MLBN
the last time in postseason history a team had a grand slam in consecutive games was the 1977 Dodgers.
Ron Cey in game 1 of the NLCS
Dusty Baker in game 2 of the NLCS
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by Tommy Blackjack on Oct 5, 2011 10:07 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
hahaha. Just saw Verlander on SC, talking about him not being available
“I think I should just go down to the bullpen. I’ve asked before and he won’t let me. He gets mad at me. Maybe if I just go and start warming up he’d fell differently.”
/Bulldog approves!!
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