SB Nation AL MVP Goes To Jose Bautista
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2011 10:01 AM PST
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The latest SB Nation award is for American League MVP. The winner was Jose Bautista of the Toronto Blue Jays, who like Matt Kemp won the Hank Aaron Award in his league.
Here are the voting results, which show a relatively narrow win for Bautista over Jacoby Ellsbury of the Boston Red Sox:
| Rank | Name | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | 6th | 7th | 8th | 9th | 10th | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Jose Bautista | 10 | 9 | 2 | 2 | 251 | ||||||
| 2 | Jacoby Ellsbury | 7 | 9 | 3 | 3 | 224 | ||||||
| 3 | Miguel Cabrera | 2 | 1 | 6 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 2 | 172 | |||
| 4 | Curtis Granderson | 1 | 2 | 5 | 5 | 2 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 147 | ||
| 5 | Justin Verlander | 3 | 3 | 4 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 142 | ||
| 6 | Dustin Pedroia | 1 | 3 | 4 | 2 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 86 | |||
| 7 | Ian Kinsler | 1 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 74 | ||
| 8 | Adrian Gonzalez | 2 | 2 | 5 | 1 | 5 | 2 | 57 | ||||
| 9 | Evan Longoria | 2 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 51 | |||||
| 10 | Alex Gordon | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 33 | ||||
| 11 | Robinson Cano | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 32 | ||||
| 12 | Alex Avila | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 25 | |||||
| 13 | CC Sabathia | 3 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 24 | ||||||
| 14 | Ben Zobrist | 2 | 3 | 1 | 4 | 23 | ||||||
| 14 | Adrian Beltre | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 23 | |||||
| 16 | Michael Young | 1 | 1 | 1 | 14 | |||||||
| 17 | Mike Napoli | 1 | 1 | 12 | ||||||||
| 18 | Paul Konerko | 2 | 6 | |||||||||
| 19 | Jered Weaver | 1 | 1 | 4 | ||||||||
| 20 | Elvis Andrus | 1 | 3 | |||||||||
| 21 | James Shields | 2 | 2 | |||||||||
| 21 | David Ortiz | 1 | 2 | |||||||||
| 21 | Victor Martinez | 1 | 2 | |||||||||
| 24 | Brett Gardner | 1 | 1 | |||||||||
| 24 | Dan Haren | 1 | 1 | |||||||||
| 24 | Mark Teixeira | 1 | 1 |
Fourteen points were awarded for a first place vote, then nine points for a second place vote, eight points for a third place vote and so on down to one point for a 10th place vote.
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Because that person didn’t think he was in the top 9 in the league
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Rangers had 5 people get votes, 5 Yankees, 4 Red Sox, 4 Tigers, 3 rays, 2 Angels, 1 White Sock, 1 Royal, 1 Blue Jay
5 pitchers
half play in the AL East
Why do they vote up to 10 spots?
At that point you’re note even in the real conversation for MVP and you’re just the 9th best guy who didn’t win it.
Ted Williams wishes he had one more 10th place vote in 1947
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
cause you're not a jersey geek
home uni has piping now down button column and on the sleeves. Ditto the road uni. And that blue alt is new
by Josie Becker on Nov 10, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
the road font is different, the road D used to be huge, remember? Now it’s just all vertically arched
by Josie Becker on Nov 10, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
tiny tweeks, but I actually like these better than last years
by Josie Becker on Nov 10, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
Not worth holding a press conference over.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
I’m still waiting for the Dodger press conference to unveil the “Brand New” Dodger logo that’s the same just with straighter lines
by Josie Becker on Nov 10, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
I think the only complaint
to be had about these is that San Diego should be wearing brown and yellow. But that’s never gonna happen again
by Josie Becker on Nov 10, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
except on throwback days
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Would love to see that though.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 10, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
OohRah
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
May their Fidelis always Semper.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
so, as to Nolander's question
what would it take to get Kendrys? Dynamic player when healthy, but he has not been.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 10:24 AM PST reply actions
Angels would have to send him elsewhere first.
by silverwidow on Nov 10, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
heh
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
really only had that one big year
so he is a bit of a risk
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
maybe
but he was on his way to another one before he got hurt no?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
.800+ OPS three of the five years he’s been in the big leagues, that includes the year he was hurt.
he is 28 though.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
.875 in about 1000 at bats excluding
his rookie year. So yeah I guess so.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
you just gotta hope he gets that back. Not playing for a year, can he still do it?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
basically two years
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
right
DiPoto said they were going to tender him a contract though. Gotta think his trade value is about nil right now.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
right
but he’s a FA. if the Angels non tendered Morales i’m sure those same people would be saying the same about him.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Wait. Joey Bats on 23 ballots, Jacoby on 22. This is Gaslamp levels of assery.
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ehhhhh not so fast
they both had pretty good years. Are you saying Bautista didn’t deserve it?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
No, I’m saying some people left one or the other off of their ballots because they are jackasses.
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ahhh
i gotcha. carry on
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
How many people voted?
And can you choose just to fill as many places as you want, and not all 10 if you don’t want to? E.g., can you just vote up to 5 places, say?
I can’t not even remember if I used 10 slots or not or how I went about figuring out the 10 slots.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Yikes, could be embarrassing tomorrow.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
My
Guess is 24 voters since each place has 24 votes
by bhsportsguy on Nov 10, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
I suppose someone could have turned in a ballot with less than 10 votes, but nobody in this case did.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Right. Even 10th place has 24 votes.
OK, so 1 voter didn’t think Bautista was in the top 10 of the league? And 2 voters think Ellsbury was not in the top 10?
More evidence of “tactical voting” – i.e. dishonest voting, to try to keep an outstanding player from winning because he’s not the guy you want. Like yesterday’s.
I have to say that I don’t think much of SBN writers/voters in general. I like that you (Eric and Phil) voted honestly, yesterday, anyway. And I’m sure you have no stake in the AL voting to warp that either.
OK, so 1 voter didn’t think Bautista was in the top 10 of the league? And 2 voters think Ellsbury was not in the top 10?
Yep.
Phil & I only voted on the NL awards
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
This
Is not new, in 1999, two writers kept Pedro MartInez off their ballots completely. The 1947 AL MVP vote has been examined since DiMaggio won it. Ted Williams was not even given a 10th place vote which could have won him the award (although DiMaggio also wasn’t named on a few ballots plus was given an 8th, 9th, and 10th place vote)
by bhsportsguy on Nov 10, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Didn’t Campy miss out on an MVP because one writer was sick and left him off the ballot?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Doubtful
His highest finish when he didn’t win was 10th
by bhsportsguy on Nov 10, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
I think it was Duke Snider acutally. I think he missed out on winning an MVP because the writer was sick and voted for Campy twice. Something like that.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
here's the story
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Snider#1955_Most_Valuable_Player_balloting_controversy
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Though
Joe Pos has some other things going on today, he covered this story here
http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/03/02/1955-mvp-a-detective-story/
by bhsportsguy on Nov 10, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
right
noted in the wiki link i posted.
Joe Pos solve the case!!
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
bad timing for Joe Pos – he was writing the Joe Pa book right?
Will have to go visit him later
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 10, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, and lecturing in the JoePa class at PSU today.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Really? who would want to read about him now? Instead of a man of our times that we can look upto, he becomes a man of our times who did nothing when something important came his way.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
I think it was Deadspin making the argument that JoePos already (at least in his head) had the whole book outlined and now the thrust of it is completely changed, which is upsetting to the writer. No idea if that argument makes any sense though.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
he becomes a man of our times who did nothing when something important came his way.
Funny you should mention this – I was talking to my nephew just today about duty. I won’t write it here, but next time we are drinking something cold…
Here is Joe Pos only take thus far
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 10, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
I can understand this
I need time. This story, for me at least, needs time. This thing is so vile, so grotesque, that it is human nature to want everyone to pay. Innocent children were hurt, scarred, and as a parent this is something so horrible that I cannot even think of a penalty harsh enough. There is no way to see this thing clearly now, not for me, anyway.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Before I hang anyone, I don’t know what I don’t know.
There is nothing worse to me than child abuse, I can’t even watch a movie where it happens or is even implied. It makes me sick and violent and crazed. I cannot think of an atrocity more disgusting to me.
That said, can I imagine someone telling me something awful, maybe not child rape, but awful, about someone I work with, or a friend, and after a considerable night of misery I turn that friend in to the authorities and trust in that process.
Could I imagine then seeing the authorities clear my friend and somehow being relieved and buying into it. Trusting that they did their job and happy at the outcome….
Well maybe. I don’t know.
Nobody is clean here, but I don’t know that everyone is dirty either
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 10, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
I think it goes to prove that bloggers are just as ignorant as the writers who are allowed to vote. I doubt they had any collusion in mind since the votes are all published. Just because you get to blog about baseball doesn’t mean you are any more intelligent about the game then TJ Simers. Everyone has their own view of what an MVP is.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
If
Each writer for an SBN team blog voted for their own players, that would not be surprising nor disappointing.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 10, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
It would be both for me.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
If someone believes Bats deserves the MVP over Ellsbury, that’s fine. If they believe Cabrera and Granderson or whomever was better than Ellsbury that’s fine too. But saying that 10 people in the league were more deserving than him, or than Bautista is offensive.
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Surprised Miggy got so little support for 1st place.
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Wow, the Penn State story incredibly might be getting a lot uglier
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 10, 2011 10:36 AM PST reply actions
“I normally abhor giving RUMORS credence,” Madden wrote. “But whole Sandusky scandal started out as a RUMOR. It gets deeper and more disgusting all the time. One of state’s top columnists investigating. That adds credence. I am NOT rumor’s original source. [Why does] Sandusky deserve benefit of doubt?”
Because that’s how our legal system works?
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I remember him from WCW
Announcer for one of their shows I think.
by silverwidow on Nov 10, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
And FWIW, he broke the original story back in April, except no one picked it up.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 10, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
i dnt understand what this means sorry,... can anyone tell me in other words...
I hear there’s a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation — and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can — that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors.
what does that mean?
by matthewmafa on Nov 10, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
He was (allegedly, to be clear) taking money to offer up young boys for sex. That is what a pimp does.
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Apparently
Only my education gleaned from shows like Baretta and Vegas taught me what a pimp does before I entered college
by bhsportsguy on Nov 10, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Ok smarty
Do you know how to recognize not-so-obvious hookers in a nicer hotel?
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 10, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
They are the women who arrive and walk straight to the concierge?
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
That
Is too sick and depraved to go into, let’s just say pimp is the term used for the middleman between prostitutes and Johns.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 10, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think I would use “Johns” is trying define “pimp” to someone who doesn’t know what “pimp” means in the first place. :-)
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
i hope they put him in the general population in prison with a big sign on his prison outfit. sick fuck
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
the onions take
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/sports-media-asks-molestation-victims-what-this-me,26609/Sports Media Asks Molestation Victims What This Means For Joe Paterno’s Legacy
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http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/sports-media-asks-molestation-victims-what-this-me,26609/
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Now that is a name
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
but what’s in it?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah it was in Baseball America’s minor league transactions yesterday
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
ha ha
BRef list his number on position as pinch hitter:
Pinch Hitter, Second Baseman and Shortstop
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/z/zawadla01.shtml
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
He played in the bigs? Had no idea.
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Zawadski is Polish for Justin Sellers
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Perfect
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Heh
but
Sellers in AAA: 666 PA, .294 / .385 / .516 (Admittedly playing for the moon)
The Polish Rifle: .600 PA, 232 / .292 / .348 (Portland/Omaha)
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
But weird that at least yesterday Zawadski didn’t show up in the kick-ass minor league FA tracker on Baseball America.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Polish guys were on page 3
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
FedEx needs a translator.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 10, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Kendry Morales might look good in a Ray uniform. The two teams might match up if Kotchman goes elsewhere or even if they don’t since they could still use a DH since Damon is probably gone. Rays might not be able to get Wade Davis or Neiman but they might be able to pull in Cobb and someone else.
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Cobb is a reliever isn’t he?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
No, starter, rookie whose season ended with rib surgery. 54% ground ball rate
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
what would be the equivalent for the Dodgers?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Rivera contract details
Per Dylan H:
In both years, his 400th, 425th, 450th, 475th, 500th, 525th and 550th plate appearances would each earn him $50,000. His 575th and 600th plate appearances would each earn him $75,000.
Dodger FA plans
Also Dylan:
The Dodgers have reached out to more than a dozen free agents and have exchanged offers with several of them, the person said. The team is looking to add a few infielders, a catcher and a starting pitcher this winter.
it’s just assumed with Ned
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
6 of the 7 or so reliever spots should already be filled
Guerra
Jansen
Lindblom
Guerrier
Elbert
Hawksworth
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Tolleson, Ames, Wall, and St. Clair knocking on the door
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
also don’t we expect Kuo to sign a deal with us?
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
if he does then maybe Hawksworth does get traded
Although, I’d love a bullpen that i described with Kuo added to it. I imagine he’ll be somewhere in the middle of his last 2 seasons.
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Hawk for Kendrys :)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Considering that 99.9% of the pitchers in history have been in that range, I’d say it’s a fair bet.
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An AMF is a safe bet to get you teased like hell.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
If there's one thing I really don't care about people teasing me about
it’s drinking AFMs or Mikes Hard Lemonade. I’m certainly not going to drink something I think tastes awful just because people think it’s more cool, lol.
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Good for you
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
AMFs taste good? I can’t possibly imagine that pleasing my palate.
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If they are too strong, not really
But about half the time there is a perfect mix of the alcohol and everything else and it tastes great.
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I seriously don't know
what is AMF? I thought that was the bowling company
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 10, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
bingo
A normal one has about 4 types of alcohol with some other stuff mixed in. Also, it’s blue most times, some places do them red.
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ah, a cocktail!
I thought it was a bottled beverage
the modern long island!
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 10, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
I guess it would be the brother/sister drink to the Long Island
the AMF has a more tangy taste, rather than sweet.
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Must have
Replaced the Long Island Iced Tea
by bhsportsguy on Nov 10, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
not for me, but I won't judge
1/2 oz vodka
1/2 oz rum
1/2 oz tequila
1/2 oz gin
1/2 oz Blue Curacao liqueur
2 oz sweet and sour mix
2 oz 7-Up® soda
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 10, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
come on man
your age group is supposed to be WAY better at this shit than I am
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 10, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
I've searched it a few times before
Never got anything solid
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I typed
AMF beverage and the recipe was the first thing that came up
by bhsportsguy on Nov 10, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
before I posted that recipe
I found identical recipes on two other sites to make sure it was accurate
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 10, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
I
Have a guess that while lvdown’s generation grew up with this technology, the practical side of searches falls behind gaming and social network usage.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 10, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
are you telling me that the training we learned about card catalogs and the dewey decimal system taught us how to better organize our searches?
Who’d have thunk it?
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 10, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
I have found no evidence that the younger generation is any more versed in how to use the tools given them for their jobs then the previous generations even though they grew up “computer literate”.
Our Call Center can diagnose any number of electronic problems with our bikes/scooters, but if the heater they have plugged into the UPS causes it to blow, they have no clue about how to get under their desk and reset the UPS so the magic power comes back.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
tits on a boar
that is what these kids are….
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 10, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
The #1 thing I see that distinguishes people in my profession from one another: critical thinking skills.
I imagine that is true in a lot of careers.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Only Joe, second sources info found on the net before posting. Right Josie?
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
he’ll be somewher between the best reliever in MLb and the worst reliever in MLB?
Dynamite research there MadEye
Not when we trade Hawksworth for DeWitt
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
god
what is the fascination with that guy?
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 10, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
beard
grit, playoffs bases clearing triple. Homegrown.
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2B-3B that bats L.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Shockingly Blake DeWitt is consistent, left handed, can play a good to great 3rd base, and is adequate at second base. He’s the perfect bench player.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dewitbl01.shtml
Simply hard to find an infielder who does not start who has posted an OPS+ of 93, 92, and 95 in the years he’s been given decent at bats.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Ned’s trading for those.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
hmmmmmmmmmm
well I guess they won’t be going strictly with FedEllis
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Ramon Hernandez? He’d cost a first rounder, but now we have an extra pick, so…
by silverwidow on Nov 10, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe we simply swap Barajas for Snyder since the Pirates declined his option.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Where’s the Dodger pick, about 18? Supplementals for Type Bs are around where, high 40s to low 50s?
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
First
Type B pick in 2011 was 43rd overall
by bhsportsguy on Nov 10, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
DiamondBacks
Picked a lefty from college, paid him $875K bonus
by bhsportsguy on Nov 10, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
And Rod won’t the highest Type B pick, I imagine. I’m probably in the right neighborhood.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Actually Rod
Is the 3rd highest Type B. Only A-Ram and Mark Ellis were higher.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 10, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Refresh my memory, was Gould a supplemental pick?
by Michael White on Nov 10, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks. So Miller was the supplemental pick.
by Michael White on Nov 10, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
We
Could rehash the Dodgers supplemental pick history but it is lunch time
by bhsportsguy on Nov 10, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah Miller was our first pick that year, but it was a supplemental pick. I don’t recall why we lost our first rounder.
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Sure, otherwise he’d be in our rotation by now
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Ned was such a sly dog. Who knew signing Rod Barajas last year would net us a draft pick that Logan White could waste.
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so wily
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
What do all expect Roy Oswalt to sign for?
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Rod Barajas and Juan Rivera just got $4MM deals
I DON’T KNOW WHAT’S WHAT ANYMORE!!!!
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
IT
Forget about it Tommy
damn favorite line of one of my all time movies and I cannot even write it out correctly
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 10, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
didn’t wanna mention it….. :)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
3/40 ?
Kuroda made around 40 over the last three years.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
He does seem like a Ned special candidate, eh? Might take 3 years. Proven vet. Is he a “must train in Florida” or “hates West Coast” guy?
His career is long enough that the “similarity scores” might not be utter bullshit. His through age-33 per B-R:
1. Roy Halladay (950)The Candy Man! Not a bad group.
2. John Candelaria (947)
3. Jimmy Key (940)
4. Jim Bunning (932) *
5. Bret Saberhagen (926)
6. Tim Hudson (922)
7. Mike Mussina (922)
8. Kevin Brown (919)
9. John Smoltz (918)
10. David Cone (917)
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
oh its thursday night football tonight
go raiders I guess
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sorry i am late
but did we offer ARb to any of our upcoming free agents?
Barajas, at least.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
so we ddid offer arb to barajas??
and he signed so we are geting a pick?
by matthewmafa on Nov 10, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
its automatic
since he signed before the deadline or something like that
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From what I gather if a FA signs before the deadline to offer arb it is automatically assumed they were offered arb and you get the pick.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 10, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
as Mick famously said
Ti – im -ah – ime, is our on our side
yes it is
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 10, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
It’s not on Mick’s side anymore
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Neither is Keith.
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by David Young on Nov 10, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Since Eric has said that Kuroda has an agreement that the Dodgers
Not to offer arbitration, the only reason for the Dodgers to offer arbitration to their remaining free agents would be as an attempt to keep them.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 10, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
November 23 would be the date for that. But as BH noted, there is nobody left who would net the Dodgers any compensation.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 10, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Sweet, extra pick and we can't sgn Barajas
Come to us, Ramon Hernandez.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 10, 2011 11:48 AM PST reply actions
If Rotation stays:
Clayton, Chad, Lilly, and Kuroda
We are really looking for a placeholder in 2012 until Rubby is ready, or we use Eovaldi who some of us don’t think is ready for prime time.
Of these Free Agents who do offer a deal for keeping in mind that 2013 will surely not have Kuroda but at least two of Rubby, Eovaldi, Webster.
Eric Bedard – solid base but huge incentives for one year
Mark Buehrle – probably not signing for less then three years so I dont’ see a fit
Capuano – might be a perfect fit, fifth spot, 2/8 should swing it.
Zach Duke – definition of a place holder
Andres Gallarrag- mister one hit might be able to handle the fifth spot along with Eveland until Rubby or Eovaldi are ready
Aaron Harang – probably looking for a multi year deal and will probably be more then I’d want to spend
Paul MaHolm – might cost more then Capuano and might be looking for more then two years.
Now if Kuroda walks then maybe Roy Oswalt is the right man for the job.
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If Kuroda walks i want Buehrle.
If he stays, I’d take Bedard or Harang.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 10, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
I'd be happy with a 2 (not likely) or 3 year deal for Oswalt
that would be assuming Kuroda walks.
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Per Elias and MLBTR
Type A
Albert Pujols, Cardinals – 95.200
Prince Fielder, Brewers – 91.200
C.J. Wilson, Rangers – 90.988
David Ortiz, Red Sox – 86.000
Ryan Madson, Phillies – 82.948
Heath Bell, Padres – 81.437
Carlos Beltran, Giants – 80.879 (cannot be offered arbitration)
Jonathan Papelbon, Red Sox – 80.292
Ramon Hernandez, Reds – 78.947
Roy Oswalt, Phillies – 78.350
Michael Cuddyer, Twins – 77.671
Josh Willingham, Athletics – 77.534
Kelly Johnson, Blue Jays – 74.725
Matt Capps, Twins – 73.788
Darren Oliver, Rangers – 72.880
Jose Reyes, Mets – 77.249
Jimmy Rollins, Phillies – 76.720
Francisco Rodriguez, Brewers – 75.671
Octavio Dotel, Cardinals – 70.922
Takashi Saito, Brewers – 69.627
Francisco Cordero, Reds – 68.486
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/10/official-elias-rankings.html
so we give up a first round pick if we sign any of these guys..
Ned pleaase please dnt give up a first round pick for a reliever!!
by matthewmafa on Nov 10, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
I’m almost rooting for the “Sign David Ortiz to play 1B fulltime” clusterfuck because of the entertainment value alone.
more or less
than Loney and Ethier?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
not Beltran, he can’t be offered arb
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 10, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Only if they are offered arb
So I’m guessing a couple of them won’t, but who knows.
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guess for who will not be offered arb
Ortiz, Madson, Bell, Hernandez, Cuddyer, Willingham, Johnson, Capps, Oliver, Rodriguez, Dotel, Saito, Cordero
I think Bell and Cordero will for the closers. You’re probably right about the rest, though I have a feeling Willingham will be offered it.
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Padres can’t afford to take on Bell at $10mil+ anymore than the Reds can afford to pay Francisco Cordero $13mil
He knows he should be in for a good pay day
Bell that is. The Reds really like Cordero from stuff I read earlier in the year, and they were already paying him 8 figures before, I don’t think they’d mind having him back, especially if they decide to put Chapman as a starter again.
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that’s their elias score. I don’t know the exact equations off the top of my head, but clicking the link would offer insight
gives credit to things like saves, holds, ERA, appearances, innings pitched as opposed to the sabremetric stats.
Hell, Barajas is only a Type B because of his HRs.
I don’t think you really even need to get into sabremetrics to tweak the formula to make it work better.
I’ve never dug into it enough to have an insight as to what exactly the formulaic tweaks would be, but intuitively when I see that half of the type As are relievers (many middle relievers) it doesn’t look right.
Then no one wants to sign these guys and therein lies the problem. The fix is probably something simple like removing counting stats or something.
Maybe. Like I said I’ve never really dug into it.
I would think something simple like use OPS and then tier the value of that OPS based on # of AB’s. Then do the same for pitchers based on ERA and # of IP. No need to get too complex because it will even out for everyone based on how they actually performed.
haha
uh you’d think they would get a better photo for vick
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 10, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
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