Dodgers Reportedly Close To Two-Year Deal With Mark Ellis
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 12:51 PM PST
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This is quite a busy Monday for the Dodgers. First came news of the pending Matt Kemp contract extension, and now the Dodgers have apparently decided to commit to two years for second baseman Mark Ellis, per Buster Olney of ESPN. Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports reported the total contract at $8.75 million.
The strength of Ellis is his glove. He rates well by both UZR (+8.2 runs per 150 games in his career) and dWAR (even after a decline, 2.6 defensive wins above replacement in the last three years).
The problems with Ellis are health and age, which have eroded his performance. He has battled hamstring injuries the last two years and was sidelined two months with a calf injury in 2009. He has averaged just 120 games per year in the last four seasons and has hit just .258/.318/.374 during that span.
In 132 games in 2011, Ellis hit .248/.288/.346 splitting time with between Oakland and Colorado, not exactly the launch season that would warrant a multi-year contract. It's even more puzzling when Ellis could get more than Jamey Carroll, who has a $7 million, two-year deal in Minnesota.
Maybe the Dodgers are hoping Ellis in his ages 35-36 seasons reverts to 2010, when he hit .291/.358/.391. It seems like quite a gamble though.
If anything, the starting infield appears set now, with James Loney at first base, Ellis at second, Dee Gordon at shortstop, and Juan Uribe at third base. While they have the potential to be a tremendous defensive infield, it doesn't exactly inspire confidence offensively. Grant Brisbee of McCovey Chronicles took time out from not voting in the SB Nation awards to tweet this:
I think an Uribe/Gordon/Ellis/Loney infield is going to hit just fine. But I'm also a Giants fan, and my perspective is alllll screwed up.
Sometimes the truth hurts.
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seriously Ned?
what the fuck. gah. grr. ahh. fuck. shit ball.
by stevesaxaphone on Nov 14, 2011 12:53 PM PST reply actions
Greatest thing ever
Shaikin:
Scoreboard on youth field where #Dodgers expected to announce Kemp contract: Home 27, Visitor 0.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 12:56 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Said in the voice of Mr. Potter
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D-Fence
According to this years Fans Scouting Report, Mark Ellis rated a 69 which is very high and the highest defensively rated players who played on the A’s last year. For comparison sake, the highest rated (FSR) Dodgers last year were Tony Gwynn in the outfield at 75 and Rafael Furcal at SS with a score of 70. Carroll was rated as a 52 which is average.
Yeah, but I’m not voting for the best defensive players on other teams. Fans have biasd eyes when watching their own team. How often do we bitch about great or awful here when in reality “solid” works. There is no bell curve in fandom. Very difficult to be objective.
My take on Ellis
Meh. Probably an overpay. Maybe our new training staff will revitalize him.
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Just accounting for state income tax alone, I’m guessing LA has to offer players 10-15% more to be cash equivalent deals.
Ellis is a health/could be done risk. Carroll is an age risk. Those that warned about Casey Blake’s advancing age, such as the meercat, turned out to be right. I wouldn’t be surprised if Jamey Carroll starts breaking down in 2012, after playing the 2nd and 3rd most active seasons of his career here in LA the last two years.
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IIRC this is why the Marlins were able to sign Carlos Delgado for a similar deal as evrone else, because he’d get to keep more of it sine Florida doesn’t have a state income tax.
Texas doesn’t have one either.
Players do pay state income tax based on where their teams games are played, so having half your games in one of those two states is nice from that respect. If Houston moves to the AL West, as has been rumored, even better to be a a Texas/Houston player. 81 homes games + 9 more in the other town.
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Also, Florida and Texas has other taxes to make up for the non-income tax. But that’s doesn’t get mentioned too often.
Most states like this rely on sales tax and property tax for revenue. Nevada has gambling revenue.
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is that how that works? if your job is 2/5 in one sate and 3/5 in the other, 40% of your income tax is taxed at one rate and the other 60% is taxed at a different rate?
Link -
This concept is nicknamed "the jock tax," where states and cities tax non-resident athletes who earn income in their territories. This tax applies to everyone working in multiple states — but because athletes’ salaries are widely known, and team schedules are common knowledge, it’s easy for taxing authorities to apply the tax to athletes.
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Right. 81 home games, plus 36 road games all in CA. That’s a lot of tax.
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MATH FAIL
81 home + 18 road games in CA. And for SF and LA, three more interleague game with the “natural rival”.
And Oakland too!
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And how many of those 36 are played in SF/SD?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Right – that was my original error. LA, for example, plays 9 road games in each NL West city.
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Mark Ellis!
When I went to a couple A’s games while at Berkeley, he was my second favorite after the always injured Eric Chavez : )
you caught me, but they’re both also good at baseball!
by Josie Becker on Nov 14, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
we should sign Chavez, I know he wants to grow a beard again
by NotJoeTorre on Nov 14, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Let me make sure I have it all straight
Jamey Carroll was the Dodgers’ default Second Baseman last year. Let him walk this offseason, Dodgers sign Mark Ellis. Then, panic? How is the next step panic?
by Josie Becker on Nov 14, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
because it wasn’t Kelly Johnson?
I’m confused.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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Basically, I’d rather have Carroll but it isn’t like we signed Ellis instead of Robinson Cano or something.
by fbihop on Nov 14, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Matt Kemp signs 162 million dollar contract, Mark Ellis signs 6.75M. Works for me.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
by Nolij on Nov 14, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
this
The celebration for the Kemp signing (if true, of course) far outweighs the grumbling for the Ellis signing (again, if true). It’s not too often you praise a guy for selflessness after signing a $160 million contract, but considering the conventional wisdom was it was going to take $200 million to keep him, I’d say he deserves a standing ovation. And if you don’t think so, consider that Jayson Werth is going to be making the roughly the same amount of money OUTSIDE of the LA/NY/Chicago/Boston markets!
I dont really care what he gets paid.
I dont want Mark Ellis on the team.
He cant hit.
This team needs hitters
Fortunately, the FA market is teeming with low-cost good hitters. It’s just that stupid Ned can’t recognize them?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
We dont need low cost good hitters.
We need Ned to stop spending money on multiple medium cost bad hitters, so he can afford a good hitter.
Ned spent $160MM on a good hitter all of 5 hours ago.
by Michael White on Nov 14, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Sure, but what have you done for me lately?
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We already had that good hitter.
And his 2012 salary was already on the books anyway.
I’m talking Rivera, Uribe, Ellis…those types preventing you from adding new pieces.
We all agree the team needs more hitters. But who are the superior hitting 2nd base
guys on the free agent market?
Not a fan of this move but not freaking out about it yet. Of course we’d all sleep easier about it if Prince Fielder was signed sometime after.
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I would have too
Though doesn’t Uribe project somewhat better at 3rd than at 2nd defensively…?
And of course, signing A Ram would presumably preclude signing Fielder. ;)
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I think he’s just advocating against the signing of mediocre talent that weighs us down in the future when young cost-controlled guys can provide 75% of the value for 10% of the price.
Then your budget isn’t constrained when you want to add real talent.
True but can we all agree that not having any halfway decent 2nd base prospects
right now (sorry, IDJ) really makes things harder for the Dodgers. They have Dee at SS but no one nearly ready or capable of competing to be full time 2nd base within the organization. So this could be a failure of drafting as much as anything.
Still I wish Ned was more creative, signing FAs is lazier than finding trade possibilities. Can sometimes find young players to fill needs, coming via trade with other orgs.
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I’m fine with Ellis. Its kind of a “whatever” signing for me, but that said, I seriously think DeJesus or even Sellers could probably put up 75% of the value we will get from Ellis.
Trades would also be a possibility.
I liked Sellers as a fielder
but I’m convinced that he is likely no higher ceiling than backup. Just don’t think his bat will play enough… even compared to Ellis.
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Not sure I care how cost efficient the team was if they lose 95+ games. Point taken that spending money for mediocrity is painful.
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Uribe was already signed. Ned can’t unring that bell. Let’s say he has ~12M to sign another catcher, 2B (or 3B) and OF/1B starter/insurance. He could have spent 10M (and a pick) on Kelly Johnson and then had 1.5M for a backup catcher and hoped that Jamie Hoffmann wouldn’t totally embarrass himself this time. Or he could have done what he did. Neither scenario results in lost of WAR. I’d say we’d be looking at about 3 WAR either way.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Carroll has managed to stay healthy and available for duty on the field consistently the last two years
while Ellis has not
Ellis will be stronger physically after age 35?
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 14, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Jamey Carroll is 37. Do you want to pay 39 year old Jamey Carroll?
by Josie Becker on Nov 14, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
he’s at least a million dollars younger : )
by Josie Becker on Nov 14, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Carroll is going to be the everyday SS for Minnesota, which I think is crazy. I’m calling it now, he has a 60 day DL stint
by Michael White on Nov 14, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
in two years we will know how this worked out. I just don’t find myself saying two years from now, just think how much better this team would’ve been had we signed Jamey Carroll instead of Mark Ellis to play second base.
by Xeifrank on Nov 14, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
if that happens
then Carroll has found the fountain of youth
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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Reyes was never signing with us to begin with.
by VegasBlues on Nov 14, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
We were never going to outbid South Beach.
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Reyes hasnt even signed with the Marlins yet.
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/bitterbill/2011/11/jose-reyes-to-marlins-not-yet
He doesn’t have to sign for the bid to already be more than LA was going to do.
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These arent fantasies.
Its not etched in stone that because the team has Dee Gordon, that another player couldnt be brought in as a huge upgrade and Gordon moved to 2nd base. Or vice versa. Stuff like that happens all the time.
Moving Dee to 2B seems like a bad idea for someone who is just starting to get the hang of his current position.
I don’t disagree there. That is a terrible offensive infield. We are basically counting on Jim Loney and Uribe to be the best Uribe he has ever been for that to work.
Someone whose shoulder will allow him to throw harder than Jason Schmidt.
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Billingsley and Kuroda kind of are, right?
Assuming we keep Kuroda.
Maybe Webster’s sinker will benefit.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 14, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
I just hope Billingsley stops being a line-drive pitcher.
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his fastball has sink on it, whether or not it's a sinker.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 14, 2011 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
that should be real easy with the whole bankrupt thing
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All my OC friends bitching on every social medium about how Mark Trumbo got robbed. Some of them complaining that pitchers shouldn’t win because they only play 1/5 of the games.
he is certainly MLB quality
right now he is just below average, but
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Bodhi's reaction to the Ellis signing
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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Ellis gives him the Krazies?
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There’s at least one universe in which Kemp turns into an average right fielder on defense while striking out in a quarter of his at-bats and blaming his aging wheels for lower BABIPs and disappointing batting averages. If the gains he made in power (.262 isolated slugging last year, .201 ISO career) and walk rate (10.7% last year, 7.9% career) were more noise than signal, this deal could turn into a pumpkin quickly.
.
Of course, there’s another universe in which all of those gains were real. In that universe, Kemp continues to return more than $20 million in yearly value as a decent center fielder and a plus right fielder when he moves over. If you treat his 8.7 WAR this past season as a true-talent peak, he would be worth more than his contract even with a half-win drop every year for the next eight years.
Taken off of BBTF
15. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: November 14, 2011 at 03:54 PM (#3993390)
Dumber-than-Marcel projection for Kemp:
+27 Bat +3 Run +20 Rep +2 Pos -2 Def = +50 Runs, $25M
Project -0.5 WAR decline per season and 5% salary inflation gives Matt Kemp a projected value of about $150M over eight seasons. This doesn’t seem like a crazy contract on its face.
Where is that Chad dude. Didnt he have a chart that basically said Rivera’s value is at 4 million? I want to see the chart for Ellis now please! But im cool with the signing. Take the D, hope for better offense then last year, and if doesnt work out, the new owners can sweep under the rug.
Both are about 1 WAR players, which is worth somewhere around $5 million.
The problem is that last year, Rivera was so awful in Toronto he was a -0.5 rWAR (baseball-reference), but 0.7 fWAR (fangraphs), player overall.
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RE: Ellis
I like the signing. His defense is still very good. Not like 5 years ago, but averaging around 6 UZR the last 3 years. His bat isn’t good, but there should be no real expectation of getting a good hitting 2B at this point, and I for one don’t think Kelly Johnson will hit like last year in the near future.
As far as why not just resign Jamey, I think he will decline pretty soon and faster than Ellis, while Ellis will provide a good or better glove at 2B, where Jamey just came off a negative UZR year (though playing 2B and SS, admittedly).
I say we continue with the Kemp good news and see the Ellis signing as someone who would hit better than Sellers/Dejesus and possibly Aaron Hill, and will field better than all of them as well as Jamey.
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The other moves will be
Signing Kuroda
Tendering Loney and Ethier
signing a catcher
possibly signing another reliever
signing a bunch of NRI pitchers
ownership uncertainty might be playing into that. next year will most likely (hopefully?) be a different story, no?
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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I mean
if you got a lucrative job offer from a new company but the leadership upstairs was a shitshow, would you think twice about taking the new job?
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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That is why I would dump Ethier and sign Fielder now. Get elite talent while you can. Ethier is not elite and likely will not be here after next season regardless.
My thing is, I think Jim Loney could be (and will be) a solid ofensive 1B. If you can have good Jim Loney and healthy Ethier for the same price as Fielder, that’s a decision you have to make.
If oney signs for $6m and Ethier signs for $12m, you’ve still got like 5mito play with before you get to Fielder’s salary.
2012 numbers I wouldn’t be shocked by:
Ethier: OPS+ 130 is his norm, so that.
Loney: I think he alsoould get to OPS+ 130, with something like .290/.350/.500 not out of the question
with something like .290/.350/.500 not out of the question
C’mon man
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll buy you a case of beer, if Loney slugs .500 or more in 2012 while qualifying for the batting title.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Hell, I don’t know any of you but I’ll sponsor a keg if loney slugs .500 or more in 2012 while qualifying for the batting title
honest question
if James Loney goes .290/.350/.450 over a whole season and gets a new 3/24 deal, are you pleased with his season, and are you pleased with the extension?
Pleased with the season, not with the extension
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
I hope they do away with that system
If James Loney puts up .800 OPS season and a interested team has to give their first round pick, I don’t think they would sign him.
I sure wouldn’t
No to an extension.
If he puts that up, i’d be happy he went on in his last Dodger season on a high note and left it at that
Well but wait, you bash the shit out of Loney but .290/.350/.450 is his career average, but you’d be okay with that? I don’t understand.
You mean the same team that went on a tear to finish the season?
Sands and Gordon are another year better(I hope). We’ll see
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I mean I'm not expecting the team to win 100 games or anything
but Gordon and Sands have a real shot at being upgrades for us. If Kuroda leaves though its time for the panic button.
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what? They put you on the cover of SI and you quit?
by Josie Becker on Nov 14, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Ever since SI went to regional covers that honor has been soooo cheapened
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
He was the face of the region!
If he was just gonna quit, they coulda put Jorge on there. Jorge!
by Josie Becker on Nov 14, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not very happy with the state of UCLA basketball. i know about Shabazz, Parker, blah blah blah, but Howland is losing me.
by UCLADodger32 on Nov 14, 2011 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
wonder if the guys that went out for nba draft last year
are having 2nd thoughts?
Assuming none of them have gotten paid anything, so they could have just stayed in college for this season.
as soon as you declare for the NBA draft, you’re no longer an amateur. baseball really does have the best system. NBA draft shouldn’t make you a professional, and the draft should then be 10 rounds deep.
Bah on longer drafts
esp for basketball. After the two rounds they have, the names are meaningless anyway.
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but every college player were eligible, there’d be more players, then they could decide to enter the NBA or stay in school to improve their draft stock.
The top underclassmen come out anyway. Why would being a late round pick entice a player to come out any more than being an undrafted FA now would?
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Yes Ma’am. What a freaking awful performance. Almost made me physically ill.
Thankfully, the Kemp extension is my medicine, and I’ll gladly take it.
by UCLADodger32 on Nov 14, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
He's a head case
He was very demonstrative on the court with his dismay at the guards for not working the ball to him inside. He has game, but he’s the de facto leader of the team. If he did quit, I don’t know what options he has. He could play D-2 ball without sitting out bnex
Funny, for awhile I honestly always pictured Mark Ellis as a Dodger at some point.
Now that it’s finally happened, I feel empty inside.
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significant foot injury
will probably miss more then just the bye
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the good news is we have the best running game on the planet
and are getting AJ back for the jags, so even leinert should be able to win that one
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oh shit is Shaub hurt? I didnt even know. fuck man, not Andre Johnson is worthless even if he does return.
*shrug*
I don’t know leinarts tendency well enough, but the last 3 or 4 weeks we have already been running a ton anyways, so not much will change.
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Leinert having had a year and a half to learn under Kubes
makes me feel better about this. Maybe he can blow it up for a few weeks and we can trade him for a first rounder :)
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well, true, and I would expect them to continue to run often, but Texans WRs are all sucky after AJ…. but the run game with AJ is going to be sick, WITH Shaub however.
Plus Texans havent really been playing anyone, that stays true vs Jax, but after that it gets tougher, they’ll need to throw sometimes, and me and AJ will be benifiting when they do.
If the D keeps dominating
we will keep running i think. I don’t know what to think of our D, its beein shockingly consistent. 7 wins is 7 wins homey.
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If we had AJ
we take the Raider game, no doubt in my mind!
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Getting AJ back will help offset the loss of Schuab
as far as the run game is concerned, they’ll have to cheat a safety to AJ so that’ll open up running room. Our recievers are far better then they seem to get credit for, they have performed very well since the Raiders game. The thing is we use our TEs basically as our 2nd WR which supresses everyone elses numbers.
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Fuck so Schuab might be out for rest of season now? fuck I wanted all this time for AJ to get back, now this… I should of traded him while I could.
a good example
would be sitting in a bar watching us destroying the Browns, while some pipsquik in the booth next to me is whining about Foster not getting enough TDs or some other stupid shit. Stfu and enjoy the show.
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its not you specifically
its the whole culture its spawned.
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I know, I never get fans of a given team who say
“Man I have mixed feelings, I want (my team) to win but my FFB running back is going against them.” WHO CARES. Or at least, the FFB result is a very minor consolation prize way down on list of priorities.
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Gonna be Brady/Bledsoe all over again, only without a bullshit call in the playoffs.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
It’s supposed to be Team Cabrera!
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 14, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
C AJ Ellis
1B ?
2B Mark Ellis
SS William Ellis “Bill” Russell
3B ?
LF Jason Ellison
CF Ellis Valentine
RF Ellis Burks
SP Dock Ellis
RP “Dodgers legend” Robert Ellis
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
PR campaign written by Bret Easton Ellis?
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bleh
Probably two years to late on Ellis, used to like him, but he’s probably done. Looks like a waste of money given his health history. Going to see alot of Sellers or DeJesus in 2012.
Hope he’s still as good defensively as advertised, that would be something, not much, but something.
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Okay
Inside info or are you reading more into the non Sept callup? He’s not playing winter ball either.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
So why not?
Seems like DeJesus got his plate discipline back on track last year and plays good D at 2B. Why wouldn’t he get a shot if someone goes down?
because the Dodgers clearly don't like his attitude and aren't as high on him as some fans are?
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Or I don't know about "clearly" but it seems rather obvious, and has basically been implied
by “insiders” iirc.
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Details, details.
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No one is high on him, but when you see the list of free agent second baseman, I just have a hard time not believing DeJesus could match Clint Barmes.
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Well some people used to be high on him
(including silly me). And I agree, but I think Barmes sucks. I don’t think Ellis sucks, and will be better than IDJ or Sellers overall. But that isn’t saying much imho. Pickings are slim.
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Slim pickings?
Yahoooooooooooooooooooooo!
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by David Young on Nov 14, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm gonna get them doors open if it harelips ever'body on Bear Creek!
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by underdog on Nov 14, 2011 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
was just looking at his stats
he had quite a year in 2008 before he got hurt and missed a year. what might have been…
by eitherethier on Nov 14, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
I think he collected and did some penance as an asst. GM
or hitting instructor/team representative/ribbon cutter/Jamie personal asst.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
He got hurt, still got paid, then became a scout and special assistant.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Kemp/Ellis/POS Catcher/POS Pitcher conference
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I’d rather take some of Ellis money and give it to Doumit to make sure he signs.
At least he can hit.
• There will be slot recommendations for the first 10 rounds. No team is required to honor the individual recommendations, but there will be a cumulative number — a bonus ceiling — based on those recommendations assigned to each team for the first 10 rounds.
• If a team goes over its cumulative slot recommendation, there will be a tax for the first time, and the second time they will lose a high draft pick, perhaps in the first or second round.
• In return, the players would get this concession from the owners — there will be no first-round pick draft compensation. In recent years, teams have become increasingly reluctant to sign free agents tied to first-round draft picks, which has impacted the market for those players. There will continue to be draft pick compensation, but in some other form — either in later rounds or in supplemental rounds.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7233005/mlb-labor-talks-sides-close-oking-draft-tweaks-sources-say
re bullet #2
by first and second time do they mean per draft or in general?
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 14, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
wtf? why is everyone reporting it then?
by eitherethier on Nov 14, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
No deal like this is official until he has a physical. Nobody is reporting anything is done, and if they are they all say “pending a physical.”
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
I wish G weren't on TBLA
then I could say, “I would be willing to sacrifice the rest of my day making sure that Kemp’s physical gets expedited.”
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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I wish G weren’t on TBLA
Sometimes I wish that too. :)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
awww it's a joke
my email went off and I was like OMG!!!! and then it wasn’t from you about T. :(
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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You’re going to be very disappointed with how sleeping on the futon feels.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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within range of kitten attacks
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 14, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
Excuse me, but who flipped out last night when the kitten was expressing his affection?
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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I don’t think they do know that.
Because they are dumb. Dumb cats.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
small sacrifices must be made for the greater good
by Josie Becker on Nov 14, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
we need to try and get kemp to go do some
science study work in Indiana
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with Houston moving to the NL West?
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Don't they have to re-join the ML first?
{ducks}
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Eithier...
With the Kemp extension, does anyone see implications for Eithier? Is an extension for him less likely? A one year arbitration contract, or a trade – are either of those scenarios more likely now?
perspective
The most I could’ve realistically hoped for out of this offseason was Frank to GTFO and a Matt Kemp extension at this price. We seem to be on the verge of re-signing a great Dodger, a homegrown product — someone who I hope will finally wrest the Dodger career HR title away from fuckin’ Eric Karros.
After the McCourt drama, bankruptcy, and the departures of players like Piazza and Beltre in previous years…well, overpays to Mark Ellis and Juan Rivera are not enough to make me raise a pitchfork. The important moves are underway, the rest is just window dressing.
I still want Ned to go, though. Eventually, he will. New blood, new vision please.
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by Pure Azure on Nov 14, 2011 2:38 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Per ESPN
According to a source with knowledge of the situation, Kemp was scheduled for a physical Monday at 10 a.m. PT before the deal, which has no incentives or option years, could be made official.
So could conceivably be announced later today.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
so something like:
$3.75m
$4.5m
$5m option ($500k buyout)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Then there's this, from Shaikin
McCourt says #Dodgers can pursue any free agent they wish. MLB confirms no formal or informal restriction preventing Dodgers from doing so.
Pony! Pony! Pony!
Ned gets carte blanche and goes and signs Ellis?
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Hee hee. Maybe someone should give *Ned* those cat calming chews instead.
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Sounds to me
like there’ll be a new Fielder on the diamond in 2012 for the Dodgers. :-)
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The plain truth
McCourt will approve a big free agent signing if (and only if) he perceives that signing to be to his financial benefit in selling the team. Any other reason would be totally out of character for him.
… and not financially prudent to the creditors, who are still the major party in the bankruptcy.
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You think there is any scenario where the creditors are taking less than 100% of what they’re owed? If they take a haircut of even a penny McCourt as the equity party walks away with nothing. No chance.
by Michael White on Nov 14, 2011 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
I kinda lost my train of thought in that reply.
More important is that Frank is doing whatever he thinks will generate the highest sales price (and/or TV rights price). Which is what I would fully expect him to do, bankruptcy, divorce, sale, or not.
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Congratulations on the Kemp signing, everybody! : )
I’m really happy for you!
FanGraphs should consider a venue for a Gallery Night... they could even serve a cake with a Win Expectancy Chart of the 7/7/11 Brewers' game etched in the frosting, and 7-up. Oh, yeah - and t-shirts that say "SABR-Friday." I'm totally there.
by Jess'HittheBall on Nov 14, 2011 2:53 PM PST reply actions
Thanks! He is good at doing what your handle says. ;)
What, no love for the Mark Ellis signing? ;)
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it finally had a great run of episodes(didn't really like the moving one much though)
balls
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looks like Whit might be moving to Wednesday
by Josie Becker on Nov 14, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
I thought that show was a hit or something?
/doesn’tpayattentiontomosttv
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/Arrested Development
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Maybe these Bluths just aren’t worth saving
by Josie Becker on Nov 14, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
Just two words for ya:
Mrs. Featherbottom
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
no I think it’s Showtime. You gotta put on a show, get folk interested.
by Josie Becker on Nov 14, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
always thought that show sucked
or at least was incredibly overrated by critics & fans
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it took me a few episodes to really get into
after those few it was golden
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I watched 2 or 3
Just thought it tried too hard, I might try it again.
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It's on Netflix, you could mow through half the first season in one night
if you’re bored enough to. I say that as someone that clearly isn’t a fan right now, because, as a fan, I’d gladly watch 8 episodes of Arrested Development tonight :)
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The first few episodes of the 1st season were kinda ehh.
It didn’t get funny until the 3rd or 4th ep.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 14, 2011 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
It's really over-the-top ridiculous
Not everyone’s cup of tea, for sure…I thought it was hilarious, but it took a while for my girl to get into it as well.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Shows canceled too soon
Arrested Development
Family Guy (the first time)
Futurama
Heroes (fine, cancel it, season 4 sucked. We need a resolution and we were promised one, damnit!)
Fast Lane
Lucky
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Gary made me watch the pilot episode of Mash. It was notable in how amazingly misogynistic it was.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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It is set 1950 – 1953! Mad Men is amazingly misogynistic too!
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I think I've seen
maybe 5 episodes of MASH
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Marty is old enough to have seen the movie when it premiered and hate that the show isn’t the movie.
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I assumed it was because Marty experienced the events live and didn’t want to relive them.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
Shows canceled to late
Family Guy, the second time
Heroes
The Simpsons
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I know I know
Season 4 of Heroes was awful! and there were some miss-steps in season 3, but the first 3 seasons overall were still really good to me. The damn writers strike was the eventual downfall of the show. Bastards.
You’re right about the Simpsons and Family Guy the second time though.
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in the 2nd and 3rd season there where
really only a handful of worthwile episodes imho. Couldn’t even finish the 3rd season.
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They would have been smart to build up the anti-ability people more
and have Sylar join the fight against them. I think that would have been epic TV.
Season 2 was my favorite, but the plot with the kids from Louisianna and the girl who cried people to death sucked. Adam Monroe and Takao Kensei were badass. Peter was too in season 2.
oh well…
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Season 1 was brilliant. Some of the best tv that has ever been made. Seasons 2 and 3 were acceptable enough to keep me waiting for it to get good again. Season 4 languished on my DVR for many months before it got auto-deleted and I wasn’t even sad about it. I don’t know how it ends and I don’t particularly care that there wasn’t any real closure.
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Adult Swim is awesome
especially when faded…
by eitherethier on Nov 14, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
ha!
I saw you guys arguing about it the other day. i’m just trolling.
by eitherethier on Nov 14, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
Family Guy is like Robot Chicken
A funny skit followed by a terrible one..
robot chicken does it on purpose tho
Friends
All downhill after Chandler and Monica hooked up. And Joey and Rachel hooking up? Stupid.
by Michael White on Nov 14, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
the last season was pretty meh
at least the finale nailed it
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Buffy and Angel got good runs. Dollhouse was a never was
by Josie Becker on Nov 14, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
I’m no hater as I was hooked on Buffy since the pilot episode (great TV night for a freshman in high school) but I always thought Angel sucked.
by Michael White on Nov 14, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
What about "Twin Peaks"?
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by David Young on Nov 14, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Does anyone but me remember the show Lucky?
John Corbett was the main character and was awesome.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0312271/
Another show I enjoyed was Tilt with Michael Madsen.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0428174/
FX had some good shows.
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Buffalo Bill
/I’m old
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
He’s great in everything. I’ve modeled my whole life after him:)
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True story. All the lotions in Phil’s house are placed properly in their baskets.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I just want a fourth season
is that too much to ask for!?!
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There will be some episodes in 2013 before the movie!
So far away :(
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oh I meant for community
I was ok with AD ending after 3, hopefully they don’t mess up the movie and stuff. AD at least wrapped stuff upish.
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Oh I didn't see what you had actually posted under
It just fit right with AD, lol. It’s probably a good thing AD was canceled when it was, so it didn’t get stale, but it’s nice that they still want to do a movie.
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Probably shouldn’t have sucked this year
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
I CAN BREATH AGAIN.
@brianstelter:
“Community” is definitely NOT cancelled, NYT’s Bill Carter says, two cubicles over. NBC says it’ll be off the air for only a brief time.
Maybe they need to find a place to hide the bodies of Chevy Chase and Ken Jeong.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
to be fair
that’s what they said about like every cancelled series ever
by Josie Becker on Nov 14, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
Holy wow
AdamSchefter
Filed to ESPN: Texans quarterback Matt Schaub is out for the season with a lis franc injury. Matt Leinart from here on in.
usually 6 weeksish recovery
which would put him on the timeline to be back for the playoffs
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where did you pull 6 weeks
Its normally an 8-10 month recovery if he has surgery
by SeanMillerSavior on Nov 14, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
yeah Nolander, this is what im talking about when I said he could be out for season. If its a fracture, they say no question he is done for season, if its a sprain, he could come back, either way its not good.
I don’t think the Titans will make the playoffs. It’s possible with this injury though. Matt Leinart is your starting QB now. Maybe you don’t remember how horrible he is and you don’t realize that your running game is going to suffer with 8 guys in the box against it.
AJ is great. Him coming back will help some but someone will still have to get the ball to him. I wouldn’t count on it.
if teams are dumb enough to put 8 in the box
with AJ on the field I’ll laugh all the way to the bank.
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I'm a fan of Kubes, too (for historical reasons)
but have my doubts. Still, maybe having had more time to develop, sit and watch with a better coaching staff will make Leinart decent after all.
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its aight
we have 3rd ranked running game and the 1st ranked defense. We got this.
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yeah if he can just game manage and not make mistakes
it may be fine. I am definitely learning that running well and playing good D could actually get you some wins ;) but having an above average passing game is a major help.
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Oh, so how Johnny Carson pronounced it.
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Jack del Rio rejoices, Arian Foster weeps.
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its going to suck to go one and out in the playoffs
oh well, we’ll e better next year with a healthy williams
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Crazy, so Palmer and Leinart back to being starting QBs in the NFL with Sanchez… Hey, whatever happened to John David Booty??
someone say booty?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znUS2KqPYCw
sfw.. or maybe not.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 14, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
That's gotta be the majority of same college QBs as starters in the NFL at one time this season
right?
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I'll take a stab
I think he meant no college has more current starting QBs than USC.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
Most QBs from that alma mater:
USC: 3
Florida: 3 Cam Newton (hey, he went there), Tim Tebow, Rex Grossman
by Michael White on Nov 14, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
so having 3 shitty QBs in the NFL is something to applaud?
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sanchez sucks
cassel sucks
leinert sucks(please don’t suck leinert
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I found 3 from Purdue
Brees
Painter
Kyle Orton
by Michael White on Nov 14, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
3 starting at any time. Painter was starting by week 3
by Michael White on Nov 14, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
haha I know. I thought it was current starting QBs but Michael White changed it to QBs starting at any point this season, so count him.
I didn’t change it. The question was QBs starting at the same time.
by Michael White on Nov 14, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
I'll be more optomistic soon
Its just been a frustrating season injury wise. We finally put together a really good team, then lose AJ for 6 games, Williams for the season, then Manning, and assorted other guys.
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Kubes says
At this point, we got all kinds of reports. Schefter reported Matt is out for the season.
Thats not our opinion as of right now. We’re in the process of him seeing some doctors in the next few weeks. He will miss some time. Hopefully we can get him back and we’ll keep our fingers crossed. He’ll be in a boot for a week.
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The hell
is a Lis Franc? Sounds like currency
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Sounds like a powdered wig malfunction to me.
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I hate Jonah Hill, but I laughed at the girl singing “hood rat, hood rat” in the car
by Michael White on Nov 14, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
It’s weird seeing that commercial of fat Jonah Hill followed by skinny Jonah Hill in the Call of Duty commercial.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
pretty skinny
but his head seems too big for his body now
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paid someone to cook all his meals
and yell at him to exercise?
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Gave up booze
but kept up the cocaine?
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Ken Rosenthal, with a plan we would all approve
link:
Kemp is 27. Fielder is 27. Kemp bats right, Fielder left. Put them together in the same lineup and what? The Dodgers are going to be worth less?
I seriously doubt even the stingiest bankruptcy-court judge would disagree.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 3:29 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
we'd be like the brewers this year
uribe can be our yuni betancourt
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 14, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
Rosenthal sounds high on goofballs but I like his inspiring words here.
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PONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 14, 2011 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
Has the "hurt-feelings report" been talked about here?
Its pretty unbelievable and hilarious
Lynch will be given the chance to regain the community’s trust as a school counselor
“Mr. Lynch, I think I want to go to college and study Music.”
“Here’s some Midol, you whiny queer girly-man.”
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These forms are on sale in the
Arclight gift shop.
Thinking outside the box here,
I’m hoping that we make a run at Hanley once the Marlins sign Reyes. Ethier/Loney?
Loney is not a selling point. Ethier/Gordon/2 of the top 5 pitchers might keep you from getting hung up on.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I’d be more interested in making a run at Gaby if they sign Pujols.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Because he’s an All-Star!
More because I’m tired of Loney and Gaby can be at least as good but be a different person.
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bill james 2012 projections on fangraphs
Loney – 283/345/419….331 wOBA
Sanchez – 276/360/452…353 wOBA
Not park adjusted. Might be around equal if it was.
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I doubt it.
Florida has to be a tougher park to hit in than Dodger Stadium.
If anything, it’d help Sanchez.
B-R park factors show Florida as a slight hitters park.
multi-year: Batting – 101, Pitching – 102
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Bigger park means bigger gaps? Weather is usually warm – no cold days to depress things. Odd angles promotes extra bases?
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Warm weather + humid
Water vapor is less dense than air.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 14, 2011 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
He was never supposed to be very good, surprised everyone in 2010, started out strong in 2011, but kind of struggled mainly in the 2nd half mainly due to a dreadful August. Already 28, not exactly a youngster.
I understand your dislike of Loney, but Sanchez is hardly an upgrade.
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how is he not?
Sanchez has had 2 straight 600+ AB years in Florida.
He’s outproduced Loney each of those seasons.
Not sure how you can say he’s not a clearly better player than Loney.
There’s 1,000+ ABs to prove it.
Career OPS+
One is 110, one is 111. One was 113 last year, the other 110. Doesn’t matter which is which. Not much of a difference.
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if you have similar players...then salaries are huge
Sanchez isnt even arbitration eligible. He only made 431,000 last year.
Loney’s looking at 6mils.
Yes, but you ragged on Loney the whole time he was a cheap player, and he’s basically the same player as Sanchez who you now welcome with open arms. Your past history does not add up.
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The original argument was without money in it.
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By whatever marginal value you want to apply, Gaby Sanchez has proven the last 2 years that he’s better than Loney.
Not only that, you can look at the career trajectory of each player and reason who’ll be better in the future – and Bill James probably wont be the only guy thinking Sanchez is a better bet.
After a similar number of career PAs (Loney’s first three seasons), JL was hitting .303 / .353 / .480 / .833, 116 OPS+. He was younger than Sanchez is now, so projections were probably still decent for Loney. I dunno, I’m just not all that gung-ho that Sanchez continues at his current Loney-esque level.
“Last two years” allows Loney career-worst shithole 2010 to be in there – Sanchez only has the two years, so he may simply just not have sucked yet.
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He was younger than Sanchez is now
Loney is still younger than Sanchez is now.
(Hat tip to Nolij on that one; after his comment I checked their ages)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
James Loney, better than Barry Bonds
by Michael White on Nov 14, 2011 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No. 3B.
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I don't get complaining about Mark Ellis
Remaining MLB free agent second basemen per MLBTradeRumors.com
Clint Barmes (33) – Type B
Andres Blanco (28)
Orlando Cabrera (37)
Alex Cora (36)
Craig Counsell (41)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (36)
Bill Hall (32)
Kelly Johnson (30) – Type A
Adam Kennedy (36)
Felipe Lopez (32)
Jose Lopez (28)
Aaron Miles (35)
Nick Punto (34)
Drew Sutton (29)
Other than Kelly Johnson none of these players would be better signings than Ellis, both in terms of cost and production. What were the Dodger’s supposed to do instead?
No
From that list I’d rather have Adam Kennedy for one year.
Basically they all suck except Kelly and his defense blows.
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Kennedy? you got to be kidding. He hits about as well as Ellis, and doesn’t play as good d. I think he’s older as well.
I mean over the last two seasons he has less than 1 total WAR. I don’t know what you are thinking here.
I like left hand hitting 2nd baseman, I’d simply platoon him with Sellers. Last thing I want is Ellis on the books for 2012 when I was hoping for this team to make a run for it. They are all bad options. We just picked the one who gets hurt the most, and when you get older and you get hurt, things like defense start to take a hit.
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Nope, but without the Rockie bump just how bad would his numbers have been in 2011? He had three months in a row with an OPS below .580.
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Agreed
With a little health, I’m pretty excited about an infield of Loney, Ellis, Gordon, Uribe from a defensive standpoint.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
How many times will we get to see that lineup?
10%
25%
44%
67%
83%
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More than the 2 games we had of the planned 2011 infield :)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
No
I like the Ellis signing. He plays good defense and has a solid bat. I don’t think many people liked the Carroll signing initially but he played better than we had expected and I believe Ellis will do the same.
by dodgers4life on Nov 14, 2011 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
My guess
Gordon
Loney
Kemp
Ethier
Rivera
Doumit
Uribe
Ellis
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
those few times Miles hit third for us
I felt like crying
by eitherethier on Nov 14, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
I'm on the "Ellis is good every other year plan"
which means I’m cool with 2012, and then will reserve my ire and kvetching for 2013!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Except he was good, as a hitter, in 2010, then before that 2007.
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Because Dodger fans, probably fans off all sports like to complain. Not sure about the rest of world but complaining is a popular thing to do in America…. Dude, im not sure about here, but Dodger fans are questioning the length of Kemps deal. Thats all you need to know.
People complained about if we’d resign Kemp, not they complain because they think its too many years….. by the way, who in here said we wouldnt get Kemp locked up this offseason??? Come on, be honest haha
It’s not complaining without reason though. Ellis is as understated of a player as they come. Being with the As doesn’t help the exposure factor either. He wasn’t hurt for the great majority of his career, and yet he is now a health risk. Go figure. Sure, his hitting declined, but he was a solid option at 2nd for a long time.
Mark Ellis - games played
2003 – 154
2004 – 0
2005 – 122
2006 – 124
2007 – 150
2008 – 117
2009 – 105
2010 – 124
2011 – 132
That seems like a fair amount of missed games to me.
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I think the Dodgers are comfortable with that, they talked up Sellers as a potential starter, no reason he couldn’t backup and get 30-60 starts
Not even one game? If that is so why bother playing him so much in Aug/Sept?
I mean with Ellis in the fold you are now saying they will sign a utility man for the bench instead of letting Sellers be that guy.
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They may do it, but Ned won’t be “comfy” doing it.
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I liked what I saw of him on defense, but I dunno if that bat plays.
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You don’t have to be very good with the bat to be the backup for Mark Ellis’s bat. The Dodgers are more than capable of being comfortable with a no bat middle infielder on their bench. Think Juan Castro.
Sellers lacks Castro's veteran gooey goodness
The only times recently that the Dodgers carried a young middle infield glove on the bench was out of desperation/injury (Hu, DeJesus). If nothing else, they’ll be looking for a little more depth, and that will put the guy with options (Sellers) in AAA.
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by David Young on Nov 14, 2011 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
Problem was the the last 10 words. We aren’t getting him when he was a solid option but a carcass of what once was.
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Maybe, check out what he did last year before showing some life in Colorado.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statsplits.aspx?playerid=1443&position=2B&season=2011
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
We’re all hoping that. The expectations vary wildly though.
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Put Dee at 2b and sign Jose Reyes.
Or put Uribe at 2b and sign A-Ram.
Or put Uribe at 2b and trade for David Wright.
Running with the A's theme here,
Suzuki could be a get. Sure he’s logged in way too many innings and he’s tapered off with his offense, but much better than any other reasonable option.
Outfield is clearly a need for them,
mulligan on Ethier for Billy!
I imagine they’d ask a lot for him. They don’t really have a reason not to, and I wouldn’t give up much to get him.
by eitherethier on Nov 14, 2011 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
he is wearing the all-star jersey
sweet
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 14, 2011 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
A week or two ago in Delaware? ;-)
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On the positive side we now know who our 2nd base and Center fielder are going to be in 2013
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and third baseman, and three of our starting pitchers, and likely one to three relievers (if not more)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 14, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
WORST DEFENSE EVER
RyanStegman Ryan Stegman
Ohhhh. Sandusky was just horsing around in the shower with those kids, he says. Guess penn state can get back to normal.
4 minutes ago
you know how it is
your wrestling with your friends when all of a sudden you accidentally sodomize them over and over again
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
it wasn’t my intention at all, it was a terrible accident caused by the baby oil I rubbed all over his small hairless body, I swear
/I think I just vomited in mouth writing that. I am claiming lack of sleep and too much schmooze & booze as the cause
damn
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 14, 2011 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Vegas Baby
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Figgins +$5mm for Uribe.
Think the M’s would do this?
I would much rather have uribe, and that’s saying a lot. Horrible trade. Figgins cannot play baseball.
by lnickerson88 on Nov 14, 2011 5:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Everyone expected Figgins to bounce back in 2011 after this dreadful 2010, just as Dodger fans are expecting Uribe to bound back after his dreadful 2011.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I am not going to read through all these comments, I know what they all say anyways
Get your panties out of a bunch, this is a non-issue
We just nailed our favorite player for a 160M contract – wait 24 hours before you start bitching about how smart you are and how dumb our GM is
and no, I don’t think I would have done it, but I can see why it is done
and btw – if you want to root for HJ, you root for Packers to the Over. Remember kiddies, Packers -13 to over 49.5
thank you and good night
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 14, 2011 5:02 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I need a QB for next week
going all in to pick up Leinart
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 14, 2011 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
Checkin in
Hey folks,,
been a while…just checking in to say Fuck yea! to Kemp!
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 14, 2011 5:03 PM PST reply actions
Saw that movie (Team America) in Vegas!
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Nov 14, 2011 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
We gotta have a game before then! I told a couple of my Dodger friends about it and they would like to play in a TBLA softball game (like you guys had back in August) too
I’m just trying to give Phil a hard time cause he thinks I suck dick at hitting balls : P
I’m making that team goddammit!
by Josie Becker on Nov 14, 2011 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
Not to put down your skills at all, I’m sure you are legit, but as long as you are one of the two best women you are golden, right?
Hitting balls is not what I’m worried about
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
This will not be my decision. If the team says okay, then okay. I’m not even sure what my role is going to be other then hoisting the fucking trophy:)
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Honest Phil I just got my feelings hurt a bit when you said you’d need someone else. Was I really that bad?
by Josie Becker on Nov 14, 2011 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
I think with some Xeifrank inspired softball lessons you’d be fine. Your shoulders alone should hit .300 with proper technique.
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it’s all in the timing, I’ll get it down : )
by Josie Becker on Nov 14, 2011 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
Hope the bags under your eyes aren’t too big.
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His retirement was announced a long time ago. Like a year ago.
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Frank McCourt said Tuesday he was “very, very sorry” to Dodgers fans for the ownership struggle of the last two years. In his first public comments in the two weeks since he agreed to sell the team — ending a divorce court battle with his ex-wife and a Bankruptcy Court battle with Commissioner Bud Selig — he said he was comfortable with his surrender.
“It got to a point where it became very, very clear to me that it was the right decision,” said McCourt (above). “I’m at peace with the decision. It wasn’t my first choice.”
Tomorrow's future is much brighter today, then at any time in the last 24 months.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Just giving you a hard time. No hard feelings. Really.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 16, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
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