2012 TBLA #1 Dodger Prospect Discussion
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 15, 2011 7:30 AM PST
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It's that time again for the annual True Blue LA Prospect Voting. This is the community's opportunity to decide on the Dodgers top prospects heading into the 2012 season. Just like last year we'll go 20 prospects deep in our voting, and have the discussion on the main page while holding the voting in a fanpost. For the most part the votes will be held daily, and I’ll set up run-offs if needed when the voting is too close. To qualify as a prospect, a player must have less than 50 IP in the big leagues or less 130 at bats, regardless of service time.
Remember, this vote reflects the views of this community, and not my own. The summary I have written about each player is meant to provide factual information and does not include any bias on my part. However, you can also read more about each of these players in several places, including my season in review series (AAA, AA, HiA, LoA, Pioneer League, Arizona League, and DSL), and my 2011 Dodger Draft in Review.
The players I have selected to include in this first vote is based on common sense as there are only a handful of players who are logical choices to be the Dodgers #1 prospect. That being said, it is possible that the player that you feel is the best Dodgers prospect might not be listed. If that is the case, then that player didn’t have a chance to win anyways, so you are going to have to vote for one of the options I’ve provided. Heading into the later rounds, I’m definitely open for suggestions on who to add.
Without futher ado, here are your options for the the TBLA's #1 Dodger prospect for the upcoming season:
Zach Lee - RHP (20 years old) - The 1st round pick from the 2010 draft who signed for $5.25M, Lee had a solid professional debut with a 3.47 ERA, a 1.22 WHIP, and a 7.5 K/9. Scouts continue to praise his polish, and he has a 4 pitch mix that includes a good sinking fastball, an advanced changeup, a good cutter, and a solid breaking ball
Allen Webster - RHP (21.75 years old) - Webster was dominate in the California League with a 2.33 ERA and 10.3 K/9 through 54 innings, then continued his success in AA before tiring down the stretch. The right hander throws a heavy sinking fastball that can reach 95, and his changeup is described as a potential plus-plus pitch. He also throws an average curveball.
Chris Reed - LHP (21.5 years old) - This year's 1st round pick only threw 7 innings in his professional debut, but as the 2011 Stanford closer Reed had a 2.56 ERA and struck out a batter per inning. The Dodgers plan to use him as a starter, and he figures to move quickly through the system. The lefty can touch 96 mph and has 3 quality pitches (fastball, power slider, and an above-average changeup)
Garrett Gould - RHP (20.25 years old) - Gould had a breakthrough season in 2011 as he ranked 2nd in the Midwest League with his 2.40 ERA. His FIP was also solid at 3.31, and he had a 7.6 K/9. The big righty possesses a low 90's fastball with good sink and an average changeup, but he's best known for his big 12-to-6 curveball that ranked as one of the best of the 2009 draft.
Nate Eovaldi - RHP (21.75 years old) - We got a good look at Eovaldi in a Dodgers uniform this past season, and he performed well in his big league debut with a 3.63 ERA in 34.2 innings. Back in AA, Nate posted a 2.62 ERA, a 3.05 FIP, and a 8.65 K/9. In terms of his stuff, we all saw that Eovaldi's best pitch is his upper 90's fastball, and he also throws a slider and a changeup.
Joc Pederson - OF (19.5 years old) - Pederson's name was scattered all over the Pioneer League Leaderboard after a big offensive season that saw him hit .353 with 11 homers, 24 SB's, and a .997 OPS. As I mentioned last year he has 5-tool potential, although none of his 5 tools seem to have a particularly high ceiling. Scouts don't think he'll be able to handle center field in the big leagues, but believe he can play either corner outfield spot.
Please use this post as the discussion thread, and cast your actual vote in this Fanpost. For those of you who don't remember from last year, having the voting in a separate post makes it easier for me to count up the results.
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by Brandon Lennox on Nov 15, 2011 7:42 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Webster
At this point, I think he’s our best starting prospect. Dominated the Cal League, struggled in AA, but showed some good signs.
by Julio Nievas on Nov 15, 2011 7:44 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Did the Rooney Rule make you put Pederson up there?
by G.Scott on Nov 15, 2011 7:45 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
haha yep
gotta have at least one hitter
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 15, 2011 8:03 AM PST up reply actions
It’s Zach Lee, and it’s not all that close. Reed is going to be my #2 pick. Love his stuff so very much.
Look forward to seeing where you rank SoncgooooooooooOooooooooo!
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ou dn’t ay?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 15, 2011 8:06 AM PST up reply actions
i'm with you
and will submit my vote in the fanpost accordingly
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 15, 2011 7:50 AM PST up reply actions
I call this a "Pepper"
like when it hits, I say “Pepper!”
thus far, no trend started, but I am trying
Do you get 3/2 for that
or 6/5? I notice a lot of casinos changing to 6/5 for blackjacks. That’s a HUGE hit for the players, so I rec never playing at the table.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
6/5 at the MGM only for single deck
still 3/2 out of the 6 deck shoe
Haven’t ventured outside of the conference hotel – back when I played more frequently, I liked double deck with the 3/2 payout
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 15, 2011 8:03 AM PST up reply actions
HJ is an international spy whose front is an Indian outsourcing company. With his nose he can play any ethnic tribe:)
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
the camera was in his cuff link
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 15, 2011 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
so true
I have been mistaken for either a native of the following countries or someone mis-guessed by heritage here in the US
Mexico
Costa Rica
Nicaragua
France
Spain
Italy
Greece
Lebanon
Persian
Arabic
Hawaiian (thought I was mixed)
India
North African
Israeli
Cuban
I think that is it
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 15, 2011 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
Now that you mention in
Once, when I was 10 years old, in Saint George Utah, during the filming of the movie The Car
We stayed in Utah for my entire summer vacation – my Dad was a Set Painter on the movie – I got to be an extra during a scene where the car terrorized a bunch of kids, it was awesome
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 15, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t watch The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, but apparently Kim and Kyle Richards are housewives on that show and were in The Car.
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by David Young on Nov 15, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
pasta
Recipes instead of Arroz con Pollo and Cubana sandwiches tips should have been first clue.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 15, 2011 8:35 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I can do a kick ass Cuban sandy
Arroz con Pollo, not in my rotation
Speaking of sandwiches, I am going to have breakfast at Tom Colicchio’s ’witchcraft this AM
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 15, 2011 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
Grossman
just because he’s hilarious to have on your team. But football wise, probably Moore
by bucknellbruin on Nov 15, 2011 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
Is this real life or fantasy?
cause Skelton gets to throw to Fitz
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Grant with a new article about Matt Kemp
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 15, 2011 8:13 AM PST reply actions
We could have had Bill Hall and Ben Sheets!
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
dodged a bullet there
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 15, 2011 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
Eh, I'm voting for Gould
Better stats than Lee and they’re both quite young. Also has the “bonus baby” pedigree. Not really energized about any of the prospects, so why not.
Gould will be my 2nd pick
I think he was pretty good in 2010, and obviously even better in 2011. Very young and seems very good. I’ve got high hopes for him
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by Ivdown on Nov 15, 2011 8:39 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Major league hitters aren’t scared of Low A ball pitchers. Especially those who can swagger to the beat " I took Lincecum deep".
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Strange, I didn’t notice the two time CY Young award winner doing any time in the minor leagues. Must have missed that.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I don’t hold Trayvon responsible for sucking, you shouldn’t hold Sands responsible for kicking ass when you said he’d suck.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Check it out
http://www.truebluela.com/2011/11/14/2561485/all-true-dodgers-team
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Eovaldi? Really? I uess you did vote for Jansen last year. Love your guys who have MLB floors, even if the ceiling isn’t all that high.
One guy had made it to the show with some success, the rest simply hope to get there with plenty of roadblocks in there way. They are all evolving, and no reason why Eovaldi who has the arm can’t evolve with them.
I think Jansen earned his vote. Better then hitting the surgeon table which is where at least one of these guys is headed and it won’t be Eovaldi.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Man, what the hell is going on. You had Paquiao promoter Arum saying Mayweather wasnt interetsed in fighting Paquiao, and he is scared. But now Mayweather’s promoter is saying they were informed by Arum Paquiao they arent interested in pursuing the fight at this time. What the fuck man, just do it already.
All the talk of Paquaio vs. Marquez 4 after the fight on Saturday, I assumed was Arum trying to get some leverage over Mayweather’s camp. If you look at what happened when Mayweather’s camp called out Paquaio a few weeks ago by naming the date and venue of the fight as though the decision was already made, it pissed off Arum. That said everybody knew Mayweather had all the leverage. He’s the PPV king (simply looking at PPV buys, it’s not even comparable between the two) and Paquaio has to take that fight. So all this BS talk about a 4th fight with Marquez instead of the fight that everybody wants to see strikes me as just a negotiating tactic to get Mayweather’s team to actually negotiate with Paquiao rather than just dictate terms.
by Michael White on Nov 15, 2011 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
Serious question
Has there ever been a fourth fight between two fighters of any note? I remember a slew of trilogies but never a fourth battle
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
None that immediately come to mind
I had the same question. It just sounds weird to have a 4th fight. I get that they were all close (draw, split decision, and now a majority decision) but Marquez hasn’t won any of the first three fights, so I don’t understand the logic of passing on the biggest money fight of Paquaio’s career to fight a guy for the 4th time.
by Michael White on Nov 15, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
because honestly, Marquez won on Saturday
if that wasn’t Pacquiao in the other corner, the scorecards would’ve reflected that. I’d rather Manny fight Mayweather, but Marquez has earned another fight
by bucknellbruin on Nov 15, 2011 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
he lives!
If Mayweather wants to punk Pacquiao further, he’ll fight Marquez on that day and beat the crap out of him.
Again :)
And Floyd’s wasn’t close. No split decision, majority decision, draw. Simple beatdown, unanimous decision.
by Michael White on Nov 15, 2011 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
Eh, did you see the compubox numbers released after the fight? Pacquaio connected on more punches overall and more power punches.
by Michael White on Nov 15, 2011 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
Robinson-LaMotta?
Or were there only three?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Sugar Ray Robinson
Fought Jake LaMotta six times, winning five of those bouts.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 15, 2011 8:45 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
“You never knocked me down, ray…you never knocked me down”
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 15, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
I guess repeats will happen when you fight nearly 200 times in your career
by Michael White on Nov 15, 2011 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
I
Couldn’t think of another pair of fighters
by bhsportsguy on Nov 15, 2011 8:52 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Josie I got some stuff for you to check out
http://news.yahoo.com/tinseltown-tackle-time-lord-dr-series-104003725.html
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
but I think you'll really dig this
in case you have never heard of her:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Mitchell
http://legendsrevealed.com/sports/2011/04/29/baseball-legends-revealed-38/
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
wow consider my day made! Thanks Phil : )
by Josie Becker on Nov 15, 2011 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
Joel Sherman on the new (pending) CBA
in the NY Post:
But draft-pick compensation is almost certain to be eliminated as part of a new labor agreement, which could be completed as early as this week and certainly no later than the end of the month.
However, Mets GM Sandy Alderson told The Post that the team made its decision with Reyes based on assurances from the Commissioners Office that compensation for free agents such as Reyes would remain the same this offseason regardless of what happened with a new labor agreement. An official from the Commissioners Office confirmed that is accurate.
There is a strong possibility that Type-B compensation will be eliminated this offseason, according to two executives briefed on negotiations.
That means likely no supplemental pick for Barajas.
booo-urns
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 15, 2011 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t understand. Type B doesn’t affect the players at all,hy would that changed before type A changes?
Because that’s what type A’s are going to be? You can’t have the same stakes for Type A’s and Type B’s, I guess.
by Michael White on Nov 15, 2011 8:45 AM PST up reply actions
No, you don’t lose anything for signing a Type B.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
Current compensation rules
(if a FA is offered arb and/or signs with new team before the arb-offering date)
Type A
old team: forfeits 1st round pick if 16-30 (excluding picks for unsigned picks from year before), 2nd round pick if 1-15
new team: gets 1st (or 2nd) round pick from old team, plus supplemental pick between 1st and 2nd round
*If a team signs multiple Type A free agents, the signing team gives up picks in subsequent rounds, and FA are ranked by Elias and the higher FA gets the highest pick (when the Yankees signed CC, Tex, and AJB, Angels got NYY 1st round pick in 2009, Milwaukee got NYY 2nd round pick, and Toronto got NYY 3rd round pick)
Type B
old team: nothing
new team: gets supplemental pick between 1st and 2nd round
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
and in case you were wondering...
The way the supplemental picks are ordered is basically by inverse order of record (same as draft order, including tiebreakers) but all the Type A supplementals come before the Type B, and if a team has multiple picks they have to wait until all the other teams at their level pick before they get their second (or third, and so on) pick.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
and there are also Type A supplementals too
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
2011 draft - supplemental round
(the Elias Rankings do come into play when teams have or lose multiple picks)
Type A picks
34 Nationals 69-93 (for losing Adam Dunn)
35 Blue Jays 85-77 (Scott Downs)
36 Red Sox 89-73 (Victor Martinez)
37 Rangers 90-72 (Cliff Lee)
38 Rays 96-66 (Rafael Soriano)
39 Phillies 97-65 (Jayson Werth)
now that everyone with at least one Type A loss has picked, teams with more Type As lost get their second pick
40 Red Sox 89-73 (Adrian Beltre)
41 Rays 96-66 (Carl Crawford)
now that everyone with a second Type A loss has picked, teams with a third Type As lost get their third pick
42 Rays 96-66 (Grant Balfour)
Type B picks
43 D-backs 65-97 (Adam LaRoche)
44 Mets 79-83 (Pedro Feliciano)
45 Rockies 83-79 (Octavio Dotel)
46 Blue Jays 85-77 (John Buck)
47 White Sox 88-74 (JJ Putz)
48 Padres 90-72 (Jon Garland)
49 Giants 92-70 (Juan Uribe)
50 Twins 94-68 (Orlando Hudson)
51 Yankees 95-67 (Javier Vasquez)
52 Rays 96-66 (Brad Hawpe)
53 Blue Jays 85-77 (Kevin Gregg)
54 Padres 90-72 (Yorvit Torrealba)
55 Twins 94-68 (Jesse Crain)
56 Rays 96-66 (Joaquin Benoit)
57 Blue Jays 85-77 (Miguel Olivo)
58 Padres 90-72 (Kevin Correia)
59 Rays 96-66 (Randy Choate)
60 Rays 96-66 (Chad Qualls)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
But this year Type B is for Barajas.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Changing the rules in the middle of the game is BS, I refuse to acknowledge it.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
I got in my car this morning and my local ESPN radio affiliate had a different sound emanating from my speakers. It is now an all-Christmas station.
On November 15.
awesome dude – got to get you in the commerce mood
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 15, 2011 8:45 AM PST up reply actions
I went to a show at The Echo on Saturday, it was a variety show featuring all high desert artists. They talked about the low desert as like civilization while they were out on their artist oasis. They also talked about daily life with bomb testing and helicopters in the background. My impression was high desert = artists + military + drugs + bombs
by Josie Becker on Nov 15, 2011 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
When I woke up this morning
And you were on my mind
I got no troubles, whoa-oh
I got no worries, whoa-oh
I got no wounds to bind
So I went to the Ravine
Just to shout my glee
Yeah, just to shout my glee
I got no troubles, whoa-oh
I got no worries, whoa-oh
Kemp is staying home
When I woke up this morning
You were on my mi-i-i-ind and
You were on my mind
I got no troubles, whoa-oh
I got no worries, whoa-oh
I got no wounds to bind
And I got a feelin’
Down in my sho-oo-oo-oo-oes, said
Way down in my sho-oo-oes
Yeah, I got to ramble, whoa-oh
I got to get some tickets , whoa-oh
I got to dress in my Dodger blues
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 8:55 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
If he goes before my main man Allen Webster I’m calling BS :)
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
No chance Reed is voted higher than Webster. Most people here consider him a reliever, punted pick.
by Michael White on Nov 15, 2011 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
I did when I thought he was a reliever pick
But if he’s a semi-hard throwing starter, i don’t mind the pick.
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And it’ll stick out just as badly as #2 Trayvon Robinson does right now.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
Reed
Has done nothing for me to secure a top prospect vote
by bhsportsguy on Nov 15, 2011 9:08 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Usually being a number one pick (top 16 overall) is more then enough.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by top prospect I’m thinking a top 10 position, not number one overall
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Right now I’m thinking there’s 8 guys definitely above him, the six we’re voting on, Withrow and Baldwin. After that there’s a couple guys in the mix that could knock him to 11 or 12.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
true
But I am thinking as a college reliever making the switch to starter, I need to see some results in Low A first so maybe 6th overall
by bhsportsguy on Nov 15, 2011 9:12 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I almost entirely disregard minor league stats, and stats in general as a measure of future production because there are too many human variables for it to be that objecive. Rather, going by stuff/mechanics for pitchers and approach/mechanics/defensive value for hitters.
and that is good enough to make scouting decisions?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
That sounds pretty ridic considering there is less than a minute’s worth of video on some of these guys. Talk about SSS
I think SSS applies more to outcomes than mechanics
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 15, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
Everyone has bad days.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
bad days are rarely whaget put on youtube. If someone is being highlighted, it’s usually of them hitting a double or home run, stealing a base, striking someone out, etc.
That fucker has a good day every day
He can’t hit, but he makes money
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
There’s a teenager in Chicago who thinks the White Sox should sign that Eric Stults guy.
by Michael White on Nov 15, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
Probably depends on how often they can access/utilize that best stuff, no?
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
which is why I think
you should judge them by their whole body of work, not just a clip on youtube
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
like i said, i understand being disagreed with and hold no grudges for it, but from my experience scouting, it’s all you need.
no lie, I can see in one throw of even playing catch, not even pitching, whether a) that guy is going to have his good stuff that day, b) (usually) if he’s favoring a muscle group, c) where he’s gong to be missing with his pitches.
If you were some grizzled scout who has seen and studied 1,000’s of major league pitchers I’d still doubt this kind of confidence, coming from someone who has seen less then 100 major league pitchers in his lifetime close enough to judge them, I find this one of the most cocky comments I’ve ever read here.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I could put together a sick Geoff Blum highlight reel.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
And a guy with an ugly girlfriend means he lacks confidence
by Michael White on Nov 15, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
even then, SSS only applies to projected outcomes, rather than current ones. current outcomes are never a sample size greater than 1, so we can only take the most recent series of 1’s to try to derive what the next 1 will be. But in sport, so many things change from pitch to pitch, at bat to at bat, game to game, series to series, it’s impossible to determine future 1’s and we have to hope for a best guess.
Songco is just silly in the top 10. You say you disregard stats and yet the only possible reason to have Songco even in a top 20 is because he tore up a hitters league. No scout things jack shit of his ability to hit major league pitching. I don’t get the disconnect. Not saying you are wrong but I find the comment above
I almost entirely disregard minor league stats, and stats in general as a measure of future production because there are too many human variables for it to be that objecive. Rather, going by stuff/mechanics for pitchers and approach/mechanics/defensive value for hitters.
BS as it applies to Songco.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
We’re gonna have to agree to disagree then because mine looks totally different right now:
Webster, Pederson, Baldwin, Lee, Gould, Withrow, Eo, Garcia, Reed, Tolleson
I really don’t like Pederson up there but right now he’s winning. Other than Webster I can move all those guys up and down at any moment so don’t hold me to it :)
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
Even from a stats POV he starts crumbling when you look at him. .403 BABIP is making mediocre strikeout and walk rates look better than they should.
On the other hand he’s the 8th youngest guy in the league, had the fourth best Iso for guys under 21 in the league and the 6th best OPS overall. I’m torn.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
My thing is that if they allowed Garcia who is the same age to play in the Pioneer league, he’d probably have won the triple crown, yet he’s getting punished for being extremely young for his league and struggling while Pederson who also struggled in the same league got demoted and kicked ass.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
It’s a very good point. What puts Pederson in the lead for me right now is that I had a huge concern last year about Garcia’s contact rates, and this year just drove that home more. The potential is huge, but right now I don’t think he could even handle AA.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
Why should a just turned 20 year old be able to handle AA?
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I don’t think he could do it any time soon.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
He’ll be there in 2013, so we will find out. I’d let him and Pederson play together for the Loons in 2012, no real need to move him to the California League next year.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Agreed. I have Garcia at 8 so I still really like him, but right now Pederson’s ahead.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
I kind of agree with you and wouldn’t have them that far apart, but I also like to look at # of years in pro ball and not simply just age. Especially for the really young guys.
Pederson already has better plate discipline too.
I’m not saying Pederson is not the better prospect because of the whole package but I don’t get how Canuck ranks one in the top five and the other at the back end. I fairly certain if Pederson and Garcia had played together for the Loons, Pederson would not have come close to Garcia’s power numbers while Garcia would probably still look light compared to the plate discipline.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Wouldn’t surprise me if it was today. Physical was supposed to be yesterday, so they are probably just finishing things up. It is really just a race to see which one gets announced first, Ellis or Kemp. :)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
I gotta go with Zach Lee
It was tough between Gould and Lee but Gould has already pitched a couple seasons. I’m sure Lee will keep getting better too.
yeah, im not really into the minor league stuff, but I would think the top prospect should always be the guy who has the best chance of being the best major league player.
Cartoon bird is back, organizations problems solved.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
cartoon bird ++++++ white front panel cap!
by Josie Becker on Nov 15, 2011 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
Not a white panel fan, but always liked the cartoon bird
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 15, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
he might have some friends in the Tiki room
by Josie Becker on Nov 15, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
Wow, they brought back the old hats?
Awesome
by Michael White on Nov 15, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
i’m color blind kid
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 15, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Shadow is gone.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
They remind me of the ugly ass nameless uniforms the Dodgers had.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
White is now road
Grey is home
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Yes, blue and orange, no hideous black. Bout time.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 15, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
well the black dropshadow. All blue now, hopefully that means no more black cap
by Josie Becker on Nov 15, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
They should go back to pinstripes at home. And also never wear black.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
How many Uni geeks exsist? I’ll take a ballpark figure.
by uschris0304 on Nov 15, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
The most perfect marriage possible of uniforms, colors, lettering for former Brooklyn and NY Giants fans, c 1962.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 15, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Both, then smile for the camera’s.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
i don’t see drink as an option
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 15, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Watch out for Paseo Del Mar!
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
This really isnt something to drink, or punch this over. I think people forget this team is being sold. 4.75 million or whatever will be nothing to the new owners. So if Ellis performs, great, if he doesnt, DFA and wipe his butt with the 4.75 million. This isnt something that will hurt new ownership so I dont see the big deal in it. Plus I seem to remember people not liking the Carroll deal, and look how that turned out, so whatever. Its insignificant in the big picture of things to come.
by uschris0304 on Nov 15, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
need keeps putting dudes on our team
that I would totally have loved to have 4 years ago – nomar, schmidt, jones, etc etc etc
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 15, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
The best part about this contract is it’s only two million less than Ellis got when he was a good player.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
So true.
If you have been past your prime for four years
it is a good bet you’ve been a Dodger for two.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
however you can keep up your prospect discussion here
and make sure to vote if you haven’t already
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 15, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
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