Mark Ellis Deal With Dodgers Now Official
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 10:12 AM PST
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The Dodgers on Tuesday finalized their contract with Mark Ellis, a two-year pact with a club option for the 2014 season, worth a total of $8.75 million.
Obligatory Ned Colletti quote: "Mark brings a veteran presence to our lineup and he knows how to handle the bat. On defense, he’s been one of the most dependable second basemen in baseball over the course of his career.”
Per Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times, here is the payout schedule of the contract:
2012: $2.5 million
2013: $5.25 million
2014: $5.75 million club option ($1 million buyout)
In addition, , per Tony Jackson of ESPN LA, Ellis can earn up to $125,000 in incentives annually based on plate appearances: $25,000 each for 500, 525, 550, 575, and 600 PA.
Here are some trivial facts about Ellis that you may not have known:
- Ellis is one of four Dodgers to have been born in South Dakota, joining a trio of pitchers: RHP Raleigh Aitchison, LHP Lou Koupal, and LHP Terry Forster. Hall of Fame manager Sparky Anderson was also one of the 36 major league players born in South Dakota, and played six years in the Dodgers minor league system before getting traded to Philadelphia.
- He had four doubles and three home runs in his first three games with the Colorado Rockies after being traded by the Oakland A's. Ellis is the first player since 1900 with six extra-base hits in his first three games with a new club after a midseason trade, per Elias.
- Ellis stole 14 bases in 2011, tying his career high.
- Twice in Oakland, in 2005 and 2007, Ellis won the Catfish Hunter Award, "given annually to an A’s player whose play on the field and conduct in the clubhouse best exemplifies the courageous, competitive and inspirational spirit demonstrated by the A’s late Hall of Fame pitcher," the A's equivalent of the Dodgers' Roy Campanella Award.
There are now 34 players on the Dodgers' 40-man roster.
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Shit
I didn’t have Tuesday and Lou Koupal in the pool. I had Thursday
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Second basemen with more PA than Ellis and a worse WAR: Gordon Beckham, Aaron Hill
Lower wRC+ than Ellis that qualified for the batting title: Alex Rios, Casey McGehee
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I feel like ever since the Kemp/Kent debacle, or Milton Bradley’s entire existence, Ned has been trying to hard at least get good people in the clubhouse.
It’s why I half expect Ethier to be gone if the situation calls for it.
On the other hand, he brought in guys like Vicente Padilla who was DFA’d because he was such a pain in the ass in the Ranger dugout and he re-signed Padilla after he was arrested for public intoxication in a Denver bar during a Dodger road trip.
I think this stuff from Ned is just GM-speak. He’s signed malcontents like Padilla and Manny who could help the team win.
by Michael White on Nov 15, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
In fairness, Manny and Padilla were model citizens in the clubhouse with the Dodgers. Out of the clubhouse, they were improperly menstruating and Plaxicating though.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
by Nolij on Nov 15, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Dodgers
Ellis led #MLB 2nd baseman w/ a .995 fielding pct in 2011 & his .991 career fielding pct at 2B is the 2nd-best all-time #Dodgers
Since he actually has range that’s kinda cool.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
so is he a #2 hitter or a 7-8?
dude had a uribe/barajas level obp last year..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 15, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
I’m thinking maybe he bats 2nd because he stole 14 bases last year? So he has decent speed? obviously Dodgers are hoping for a Ellis close to 2010, which would make for a solid #2 hitter. But then again, Loney thrived from the 2 spot, so Donnie may not want to remove him from that. But then our offense is unbalanced if our 3 LHs hit in the top 4 spots. So who knows.
by uschris0304 on Nov 15, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
1. dee
2. loney
3. kemp
4. dre
5. sands/rivera
6. uribe
7. ellis
8. ellis
?
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 15, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Or what about AJ ellis and his OBP hitting 2nd? So Loney can bat 6th? I’d just like to find a way to spread the LHs out a little more if possible.
by uschris0304 on Nov 15, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
but ellis is slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
right, he isnt a # 2 hitter your prefer, but Loney aint fast either, and we really dont have a #2 hitter.
by uschris0304 on Nov 15, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
I’m just saying, if Loney hits 2nd, on days we have a RHP, after Ethier hitting 4th, we’ll have 5 straight RH hitters… thats not good balance but what can ya do I guess.
by uschris0304 on Nov 15, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
I’m not sure if that is a “well that could be good if everything goes right” lineup or “boy we need a lot of guys to roll sevens at the craps table” lineup.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Depends on what you call Kemp repeating last year.
On the bright side the terrible outfield defense is backed by an amazing infield defense, so if Ned actually has a plan and acquires a couple ground ball pitchers that could be a solid lineup.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Depends on what you call Kemp repeating last year.
There’s a Hard Eight joke to be made here, but I’m not gonna make it.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Terrible OF defense?
But we got two Gold Glovers out there man!
/dontreallybelievetheyregoldglovers
Second basemen with more PA than Ellis and a worse WAR: Gordon Beckham, Aaron Hill
Lower wRC+ than Ellis that qualified for the batting title: Alex Rios, Casey McGehee
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
BUT WHICH ELLIS
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
We don’t have anyone with with white hair since Grady little left.
And if you’re nopt talking hair, then you’re saying one Ellis is white and the other isn’t? That’s news to me.
ha what? BFDC said He predicts Ellis will be OD #2 hitter…. Humma says BUT WHICH ELLIS… so I chime in with the one with the hair, I mean the white one… Because they both have hair, and both are white, so that still doesnt explain which Ellis… just bein silly man… Did nobody else get it?
by uschris0304 on Nov 15, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
yeah the haha is my trademark so im told.
by uschris0304 on Nov 15, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Dead money is $22 or so, right?
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
If Ellis 3,750,000
Rivera 4,000,000
and Loney 6,500,00
hit like they did before the all – star break where each of them was basically the worst hitter at their position, this is going to be a terrible team.
If they hit like they did after the All-Star break this will be a good team assuming Matt Kemp has another MVP season.
Hard for me to be optimistic but I’ll give it the ole college try.
Mark Ellis after that great start that Eric alluded to:
.258/.305/.343 while playing for the Rockies in 271 Plate Appearances. Isn’t that kind of hard to do? Who sucks that bad for the Rockies during the good summer months?
Of course I’m sure that was simply a bad run of luck. His
.217 / .253 / .290 in 233 plate appearances with A’s is probably more indicative of his current skill level.
And we are paying him, he’s not paying us.
Yet DeDesus can’t be a major league second baseman. Good Grief
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Other then Gonzaga I do not follow the sport until spring
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
Course with no NBA that will probably change drastically this year
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
which is silly, because everyone knows it’s time to jump on the Cal bandwagon, 7pm on ESPN2 : )
by Josie Becker on Nov 15, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
ugh
if my pee is lighter than an egg yolk bet NC State
If my pee is darker than an egg yolk, drink some water
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 15, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Fertilized egg yolk or unfertilized egg yolk?
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
when you are talking pee color, does it really matter?
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 15, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
If the pee is lighter
you’re doing Vegas wrong
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Thus far my Vegas grade is probably a C+ / B -
Tonight I am going to do A work
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 15, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Dodger Fans:
Option A – Loney, Ellis, Uribe, and Rivera making about 22 Million
or
Option B – Fielder, DeJesus, Mitchell and Sands making about 22 Million
In plain English:
Option A – one average player two shitty players, one who the fuck knows
Option B – one super elite player, two shitty players, one who the fuck knows
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Mine two
My ideal would have been
Loney
Kennedy/Sellers
Gordon
Uribe (have to )
Snyder/Ellis
Beltran
Kemp
Andre
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
2nd baseman suck, thinking of a cheap left handed hitting one who still plays good defense. As bad as he was last year he still out hit Ellis in the AL playing in just as tough a park.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
I think the answer is D, all of the above.
by uschris0304 on Nov 15, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
C: Trade Kemp, Ethier, Uribe, Sands, Kershaw, Billingsley, and everybody else on the major league roster. Lose 155 games. Profit!
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
trade everyone for every other team’s best Lo-A players, repeat for 4 years, win world series from 2015-2021
The Dodgers put the pro in prospects.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Option A – one average player two shitty players, one who the fuck knows
Option B – one super elite player, two shitty players, one who the fuck knows
I disagree with your characterizations.
Option A has one average player, two mostly shitty players, and one WTF
Option B has one super elite player, two replacement players (shitty doesn’t begin to do the job), and one WTF
I might choose B anyway. But shitty as Ellis is, De Jesus is untenable.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
I also pulled the mask off the old Lone Ranger.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
The latter. I also tussled with bad, bad Leroy Brown.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
maybe we get Fielder too, then what…. I believe in miracles!
by uschris0304 on Nov 15, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
trade etheir for... pitching?
move loney to LF Sands to RF.
Profit
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Even if it were somehow possible to undo the Uribe contract, you’re still completely glossing over what is by far the biggest problem with signing Prince, which is the 25M or so you’ll still be paying every year in his mid-30s.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
again, not a problem for our new owners… people need to stop worrying about the money, it aint your money, dont worry about it.
by uschris0304 on Nov 15, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
from a team who cannot bid unless Prince wants to be a DH right now, and for a guy whose physique is nothing like Prince’s.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe Fielder will go that same diet as the other dude we were talking about yesterday.
by uschris0304 on Nov 15, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Why do people worry about what a guy is doing in year 7 or 8 of his contract, shit we could all be dead by then… so lets get this ring now and call it a day!
by uschris0304 on Nov 15, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Jonah Hill
Fielder already tried vegan and that didn’t do much for him
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
that fool is not no dam vegan, dude is lying.
by uschris0304 on Nov 15, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Vegan don’t do shit if you are junkatarian
French fries and donuts are Vegan
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 15, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Six year deal would be just about ideal. Given his weight I don’t think he gets more then that unless he’s talking to an AL team and which AL team has the money?
Texas says no
Angels have two 1st baseman
Yankee’s are out
Red Sox are out
???
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Angels could flip Trumbo or Morales for pitching
neither are as “sure” a thing as fielder
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
They could and maybe they should if they can afford Prince. Ain’t no one taking the Abreu contract off their hands but they could probably trade Hunter. Even so, would the Angels give him eight years? I say no.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't flip hunter
Ideally Hunter Bourjous trout is the outfield this year. Abreau and Wells might just be dead weight. Maybe they could eat abreu’s salary and get some relief help
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Really? Seems like we are trying to pick up shitty offensive players. I know he is just the backup catcher, but still.
All catchers are shitty hitters, so don’t waste money filling that spot
by Michael White on Nov 15, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
I know and I also know that it is still early in the offseason, but this offense really looks like it is going to be awful. I am exceptionally happy with the Kemp signing but overall this team is probably going to be pretty bad.
Nah, no matter what Ned does, 2012 is going to be golden.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
.212/.311/.300 the last two years. As long as this isn’t plan A it’s boring but fine.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
boring but fine
This gets into a thought I had about the $120 million payroll threads.
They are all interesting and make interesting moves in wild attempts to eke every win possible out of the team.
They also all seem unrealistic, in the sense that no GM will make moves like that. GMs tend to remake their teams on the margins, like Colletti is doing right now. Protect the core, such as it is, and try to work with what you’ve got.
You can call that boring, and it probably is, but you only have to look 30 miles or so to the south to see what happens when you do something interesting.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Boring works when you have a team on the verge of contention and just need to eke out a couple wins.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Treanor is the Navarro of 2011. Same money, same job. Probably not playing by August.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
So, he’s coming in with philosophical differences already in place.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
by mleadman on Nov 15, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
No doubt, but I guess what I want to know is… how many teams made an interesting move and lived to see it work?
You may define an “interesting move” as, say, paying for Fielder and then playing replacement-level players at a couple other positions in order to make the budget work.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Not many. As long as people will show up to watch a 81 win team why work to make a better one.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
The Rays have probably been the most interesting team in recent memory and look what it gets them.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Playoffs?
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
And no one cared.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
The whole country of Ray fans cared, not our fault we wouldn’t set foot in that cess pool of a state to cheer them on in person.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
He can’t hit but he can walk has no power.
Hmmm
Who does that sound like?
On the plus side AJ Ellis is going to earn a pension if this can do it, so can he.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Jon Morosi tweeted that the Dodgers and Treanor are closing in on a one-year deal worth about $1 million
Nope
Big league deal to presumably backup Ellis.
by silverwidow on Nov 15, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Meh. It will be about the same unless they make some unexpected moves.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
He might mean the live money payroll, though. That is usually what people refer to. With the dead money, it could be higher, no?
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, roughly $6m difference in dead money.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
For the second winter in a row Ned manages to acquire a player whose best attribute is a girl.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Look at me, I’m as helpless as a kitten up a tree
And I feel like I’m clinging to a cloud
I can’t understand
I get misty just holding your hand……
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Guess what team will be paying Mark Ellis 5.25 million in 2013?
2012: 2.5, 2013: 5.25, 2014: 5.75/1 buyout.
Yay backloading.
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Good Grief
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Frank says, “That is what we in the business call SEP.”
SEP = Somebody Else’s Problem
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Ellis + Uribe + Lilly + Guerrier = ~30 in 2013
Furcal + Manny + Andruw + Kuroda + Rivera = 10 more
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
I’m trying to be positive and you are making it really fucking hard
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
There is a joke to be made
that involves Sandusky and Pujols
it will be a classic groaner
but I am not the man to make it in print
this is the part were suppose to say, its ok, go ahead and say it, I want to know…. then if its truely offensive, he can say we told him to say it. Or just email it to me, and I’ll say it, its all good man.
by uschris0304 on Nov 15, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t have it, I just know its there
I won’t work on it
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 15, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
If the joke depends on a sound-alike of Albert’s last name, best that you don’t work on it.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
something about blah, blah in addition to his football duties, he was also scouting for the baseball team. Was very interested in finding a young…
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 15, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Can't be Pujols. Has to be Pudge
and something about Sandusky only working with catchers
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
The joke has to some how incorporate
Bend over and I’ll give you 20
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Just had lunch with an Astros fan
Make that former Astros fan.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 15, 2011 11:00 AM PST reply actions
I heard Houston is in the market for a Major League team
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 15, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Yep.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 15, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
You converted him/her?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Doesn’t want to stay up late for home games.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 15, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
CJ Wilson
Several teams already showing willingness to go to 5 years on Wilson. In the end, a guaranteed 6th year could be a tiebreaker.
http://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/136199988471541760
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Why not just throw half of the money into a pile and light it on fire now?
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 15, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
oh yeah, I was voted 5th by some chick, dammit.
by uschris0304 on Nov 15, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Your jokes are getting better.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
As near as I can figure
Verlander is German for “a person who comes from a place where the water is polluted with fine clay particles.”
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And a nolander is someone who doesn’t come from that place.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I am a nomad, a wanderer
I have nowhere to lay my head down
There’s no point in putting roots too deep when I’m moving on
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Hey Eric, that comment Dylan H made about payroll this year, is that something he maybe could of heard directly from Ned, or just his opinion? Where do they get this stuff from?
by uschris0304 on Nov 15, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Which is quite different than my misinformed speculation
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
He’s going to be a key member of the trio of 30 home run hitters.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
who are you?
and what did you do with Phil Gurnee?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 15, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
You’re counting Kemp twice because he’ll hit 60?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I’ll believe the Jim Loney acquisition when I hear Ned talk about his postseason exploits.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I’d be stunned if Ethier is not back this season
by Michael White on Nov 15, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Must be a relief to know that know matter how shitty you become, a white boy with a good attitude will always find work for a Million.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
He had a hire OPS than Juan Rivera, his agent sucks.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Wow, higher.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Or the one sucker had already blown his wad?
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
in 255 PA
the year before he had -1 fWar in 359 PAs 2009 -.4 in 206.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Juan rivera
2.8 fWar, .5, .7 all with more then 455 PAs. Yeah, Kotsay is totes better.ಠ_ಠ
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
The statement wasn’t really meant to be examined. When you park adjust and stuff yes Rivera was slightly better (big emphasis on slightly) but Kotsay and Rivera had very comparable years.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
you know someone somewhere read your comment
and said, YEAH FUCK NED COLLETTI THAT IDIOT. Also Kotsay is 35.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
You’re looking at Rivera’s 2009 numbers BTW, he sucked in 2010 too.
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by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
And 2008, and 2007. Really they’re both bad players.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Dodgers going the 65 route
with one major difference.
Gordon = Wills
Loney = Fairly
Hoffman = Lou Johnson
Kemp = Willie Davis
Rivera = Tommy Davis
Ellis = Gilliam
Kershaw = Koufax
Billingsley = Big D
Kuroda = Osteen
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Who was the first foreign born Latin America Baseball Player to win the MVP?
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Clemente?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 15, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
Did you watch the 65 show this weekend?
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, it was good. I was busy doing stuff while watching and didn’t fully pay attention, so I saved it and will watch it again this week.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Man did he suck for the Dodgers…
But his 1965 was pretty cool. I wonder how many people led the league in both runs scored and strikeouts in the same season.
In 1965, he led the AL in PA, AB, runs, doubles, triples, strikeouts, and total bases. Not too many 5’10", 146-pound dudes leading the league in total bases.
And he won a Gold Glove for good measure.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
According to the show he also had an awesome August when Twin players were hurting. His MVP seems like one that is easily made fun of unless you experienced the season.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Maury Wills really had a cock of the walk about him.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Awesome August
32 games….
.353/.401/.603
36 runs
15 doubles
2 triples
5 homers
10 RBI (he batted leadoff every game)
4 steals
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Harmon Killebrew was out the whole month after August 1. LF Bob Allison and CF Jimmie Hall missed a few games too.
Twins went 19-13, raised lead from 6 games to 7.5.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
I remember Vinny telling the story about how Zolio tore up spring training the year we acquired him and everyone was expecting him to have a great bounceback year. Then April came.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
I remember that too but can’t remember where it was from. Maybe a game story mixed in now and then.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
From out of the night, when the full moon is bright…
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
LOL
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 15, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Best Android App's?
I already downloaded
Locator
FxCamera
Movies
ooVoo
Peep
Shazam
Skyscanner
Funny thing, my favorite toy has been the flashlight
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netflix
puzzle attack
mlb at abt
chrome to phone
goggles
amazon
nfl mobile sucks but….
ringdroid
yelp
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mlb at bat
great app or greatest app?
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 15, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
greatest app
I don’t understand why the NFL can’t hire a better mobile/web development team.
by Josie Becker on Nov 15, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure that the app is written by the NFL
or by Verizon.
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Thanks
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
I know that is becoming more of a thing now, but it is still weird to me.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
I love reading Entertainment Weekly, and scanning the mag with my smartphone to view trailers
by Josie Becker on Nov 15, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
wat?
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
so theres these dot things
when you scan them they can contain a link to something and whatnot
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you'll actually start seeing them all over the place now
at restaurants, stores etc
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I know I look like a dumb dumb
having my wife holding the package at weird angles in the middle of the store so I can scan it, but I gotta know!
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Thanks
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
TweetDeck, Yahoo Fantasy Football 11 and if you have DirecTV the DirecTV app. Also if you travel alot, the Southwest App is good.
by Michael White on Nov 15, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
We all need to thank god that we don't live in this alternate universe...
From 2007 (via Grant Brisbee’s cool Kemp article):
“The Milwaukee Brewers are talking to the Los Angeles Dodgers about a deal that would send starter Ben Sheets and outfielder Bill Hall to Los Angeles for outfielders Matt Kemp and Andre Ethier, according to a high-ranking L.A. official.”
Braun/Kemp/Ethier/Fielder
wow
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 15, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Ned on Ellis
"As we looked back on last season … we felt that defense at second base was one of our weaknesses,’’ Colletti said Tuesday. “We decided to try to rectify that with somebody who can play there a majority of the season and also be a little bit of a run producer. We think it is an upgrade from where we were a year ago, and that is what led us to do it.”
So the weak fielding Jamey Carroll is now the starting SS for the Twins?
I can understand Miles getting that comment but Carroll or Sellers and they both saw plenty of time at 2nd?
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
To be fair, Ellis seems to be the best defensively out of all of those names. How much better, and whether the price was worth it, is another question.
by court168627 on Nov 15, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
2b/ss
maybe they want him to be a good influence on dee and help with dps? I dunno..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 15, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
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