Dodgers Sign Backup Catcher Matt Treanor
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 4:07 PM PST
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PrintThe Los Angeles Dodgers continued their stroll down veteran lane this offseason, signing catcher Matt Treanor to a one-year deal plus a club option for 2013. The contract is a total of $1 million, per Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times, including an $850,000 salary in 2012 and a $950,000 option in 2013 or a $150,000 buyout.
Treanor turns 36 on March 3, which is personally appealing as it assures there is another player on the roster older than I am. He hit .214/.338/.291 in 72 games between Kansas City and Texas this year. He was sold to the Rangers on August 31. Treanor was the only one of the 50 players on the 2011 World Series rosters who didn't play in a game during the Fall Classic (note: this excludes Adron Chambers, who was added for the injured Matt Holliday in Game 7, but did not play).
The signing of a career backup catcher like Treanor (he has started between 50 and 67 games behind the plate in five of the last six years, missing nearly all of 2009 with a torn labrum) would seem to indicate fairly significant playing time for A.J. Ellis behind the plate in 2012, though it would have been interesting to see what the plan would have been had Ryan Doumit said yes to the Dodgers.
Treanor is a native of Garden Grove who graduated from Mater Dei High School, and is married to two-time Olympic gold medalist Misty May-Treanor.
While there is a 27-year old offensively-talented player with a contract extension expected to be finalized sometime soon, so far this offseason the Dodgers have signed three players who will be 33, 35, and 36 years old next season who hit a combined .246/.310/.351 in 2011, and guaranteed that trio somewhere in the neighborhood of $14.1 million.
With Treanor, the Dodgers have 35 players on their 40-man roster.
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updated above.
No obligatory Ned quote in the press release.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
so far this offseason the Dodgers have signed three players who will be 33, 35, and 36 years old next season who hit a combined .246/.310/.351 in 2011, and guaranteed that trio somewhere in the neighborhood of $14.25 million.
Cue Bill Murray?
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Mass hysteria!
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
The man has no dick
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
by mleadman on Nov 15, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
When I was 10 years old, there was no movie in the world I wanted to see more than Ghostbusters. So my parents took me.
That line scandalized me!
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
i just watched that again on Halloween. Still made me laugh.
by KellyStephen on Nov 15, 2011 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
probably my favorite line in the whole thing.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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OK, so she’s a dog
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Ghostbusters was one of those movies that you had incredible expectations for and SOB if they didn’t fucking deliver.
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I hope
Ernie Hudson is still getting royalty checks.
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Saw him a few months ago at Home Depot in West Hills. My wife is always thinking she sees celebrities and whispered to me “Look, it’s Arsenio Hall”.
by BoilerAero on Nov 15, 2011 11:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
apparently the guy who played dickless
was pretty bitter because people on the street would call him dickless all the time. Everyone should listen to the commentary on the dvd, its great
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William Atherton, man
He also is the dickless TV reporter in Die Hard. Also played a good on-the-run criminal in Sugarland Express
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
hahah
i think “confusing” was the word i was looking for.
i never, ever noticed that scene until i watched it again in HS. then i got so embarrassed for all the times i innocently watched that movie as a kid with my parents and grandparents.
its a dream sequence or something
it was supposed to be a lot longer. I believe it slots into the montage of them busting ghosts
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Popeye's
Who do they have such huge frickin lines on Tuesdays? I mean, it’s POPEYES.
(Just an observation, btw. I did not go there today. :) )
Oh well, he's fairly "cheap" as things today go.
And solid and all. Just isn’t gonna help much in the bat department. This does buy more time for FedEx to continue to grow before a call up, though.
Btw, since we expect some roster adds soon for minor leaguers, as discussed earlier we’ll probably also see some veteran cuts soon as well, eh? Would be surprised if Oeltjen is Dodger property much longer, f’rinstance.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I could see Ely, Troncoso and Mitchell or Hoffman being cut also
by eitherethier on Nov 15, 2011 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
The May-Treanors live here in LA in the off-season, yeah? I wonder if the Dodgers got a deal on Treanor — if the Mrs. asked him to take a pay cut to be close to home…..
/making shit up
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That is what I get for making shit up.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
She was probably asking him to move his ass to the west coast for some “alone time” w/the local talent.
by KellyStephen on Nov 15, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
Wiki, so consider the source.
May-Treanor is listed as currently residing in Coral Springs, Florida,24 though she and her husband also own a home in Long Beach, California.
No state income tax helps decide where your residence is. I bet they are in SoCal a lot.
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lots of pro volleyball here. One of the trainers I work with is on the Men’s USNT
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No doubt. Just wanted to note that both the Rangers 2011 media guide and the Dodgers press release noted they live in Coral Gables, though those things rarely say “he and his wife have homes in A City, B Town, and C Ville.” :)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
I would not want to try and pick up women in B Town and C Ville.
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Just like the last catcher Ned signed for about $1M!
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If he's as bad as Navarro
Then thats not true. Many of us will do the opposite and cheer.
Treanor has probably boned up on his “philosophy”.
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thats only if Donnie misuses him as much as he did navaro
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For GScott, from the last thread
From a Bill James Q & A:
I did play baseball, but I wasn’t good.He doesn’t say at what level.
This is a better quote anyway:
Q: Generally, who should have a larger role in evaluating college and minor league players: scouts or stat guys?
A: Ninety-five percent scouts, five percent stats. … Stats can tell you who is good, but they’re almost 100 percent useless when it comes to who will improve.
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The beauty of this is that you could be responding to either of the quotes!
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Phil’s just jealous he never progressed past pony league
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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Babe Ruth, we didn’t use the horse thing in Glendale
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you sure are using the horse thing now
I think it’s dead, actually
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Too fuckin’ small for high school ball. I know this feeling.
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I’m not hating, you gave me a gift that will eventually tire but right now during prospect week, it will be fun to use until it isn’t.
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You should come to spring training with me. I’d love to teach you what I know. I think it’d give you a deeper understanding of what you’re watching without being pissed off that player X’s xFIP went up because the out was a flyball instead of a groundball.
If you go, it’s somewhere in the March 10-18 time frame? I need to start figuring out my plans, assuming the Dodgers new regime will still press pass us.
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I’m planning on leaving the Thursday night before…
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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Last year
We did a leave Thurs AM, come back Monday PM deal, which worked pretty well.
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oh.
I want to be there for like, a week. :)
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I need to save my vacation days for other things, like spending time with my wife, who will not want to spend an entire week in Arizona. Especially if I am using a press pass and she is not.
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sounds good.
I’ll be there at one of the weekends, most likely.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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The Tempe karaoke bars will never be the same.
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If your new employer lets you take time off.
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probably won't
because he’s listening to P!nk. Unironically.
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I’m going to make it a condition of employment.
Got a half job offer today to do marketing for a small printing company. Really liked me, asked me how much I wanted, but won’t be able to hire me until after Thanksgiving.
Isn’t “I can hire you after [future date]” the equivalent of “the check’s in the mail”?
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he’s leaving this week and won’t be back until after thanksgiving. and I was a personal referral so if he dicked with me he’d have to still see that person. Dude seemed very honest.
If When you get the job, I’ll buy you a celebratory beer on 12/9.
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Just don’t be an NBA fool and price yourself out of a job that sounds interesting. Pride is great and all but it doesn’t beat getting experience and a check while better things await.
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I was a MORON and didn’t look up what entry level marketing pays so when he asked how much I wanted, I said “I don’t know what an entry level marketing position pays” and he said “neither do I”. This guy is the President and has been operating as his own marketing department. Finally decided it was time to grow. I asked him for what I make now and he said “sounds fair”.
Oh, I forgot your original degree was marketing because you had been working in HR right?
We had a marketing director who left and our CEO simply replaced her with our Graphic Designer. We have a kid who just graduated from Cal State Northridge in Marketing but he doesn’t want to work in Marketing because he doesn’t think he can learn from her since she does not experience in marketing so he’s doing electrical engineering work.
Have you practical Marketing experience?
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my degree is in management and HR, marketing is out of my range of expertise, but from what he said in the interview I’d be fine.
Small enough company you’ll end up being the HR, Marketing, and Office Manager.
One company I worked for we had a person who was the HR and Office Manager. Eventually, she became the right hand person to the president, and then one day the highest ranking American in a Japanese company.
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I don’t think I want to strap my ass to a battery-powered bicycle where the EE is done by a marketing dweeb!
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Nah, this kid is great, he’s been using solidworks since he was 16. Bright kid, we are lucky to have him, in any other economy he’d be long gone.
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I’ve been using hammers and screwdrivers since I was six. Doesn’t make me a carpenter. ;-)
I’m sure he’s fine.
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She was going to let you know if you could get drunk or not:)
On a serious note, isn’t this next to a Metro stop?
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Seems like it would be close, but public transportation would suck to get all the way to my house.
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What I do is drive to North Hollywood and then take the train. By the time you take the train back home to North Hollywood, you are pretty much sober. Then again I don’t get drunk so my plan may blow chunks.
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Last train to North Hollywood is 12:41am, but there is a bus that leaves hollywood and highland every hour that stops at the North Hollywood redline stop.
I’m sure we’ll all be tired of each other by then, so that might work.
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Of course I’m working that day, so there’s the getting from my office to Hollywood without a car thing…..
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I’m going to call Hollywood Joe’s car service.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking of that, is anyone going to that December 9 event coming from the Pasadena area?
I am trying to get my cousin to come, but he might be working that night.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
He really outkicked his coverage on that one.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
Heck with public transportation, TBLA Sleepover at Eric’s cousin’s place!
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Doesn’t Brandon live in the Pasadena area? Or am I misremembering?
Robot does, but I think he’s a bit busy these days with daddy duties.
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If he’s to busy to buy the moderators a beer then fuck him if he thinks he’s going to playing in West Covina come February:)
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Ha Ha, but do you know anyone else with pitching experience?
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“And the award for Most Creative Use of a Pivot Table goes to…”
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
he plays a mean SS
Give him the Hanley kid gloves
by Lex in Brooklyn on Nov 15, 2011 6:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'd pick him up
but I’m probably not coming
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
If I can get my cousin to go, I won’t need a ride. It is if he is not going that I will need to make arrangements, as I am staying at his place in Pasadena that night.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
I say we start at Big Wangs and end up at your cousins.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
That’s two votes for that!
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by David Young on Nov 15, 2011 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
Nope, I have zero interest in understanding pitching mechanics or swing mechanics. I’m not detail oriented in any way.
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Not detail oriented
How in hell were you ever a programmer?
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The details are for Interns.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Nov 15, 2011 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
Ha Ha, that is why it was business programming and not holy shit the rocket fucking blew the hell up and killed 100 people.
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Holy hell, there’s a huge security leak in the database and Al Queda grabbed a million IDs to thieve!
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It is very possible that when Gary starts explaining the pitching mechanics of why Eovaldi can’t throw a decent change up I would be enchanted and drawn into it , but I think after a few minutes I’d wish he’d shut the fuck up so I could just watch the game and enjoy the simple nature of someone throwing 97 MPH.
I know people wish i’d shut the fuck up when I start talking to them about why Juan Rivera is going to suck next year.
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dude i voted rubby #1 overall last year because he threw 100mph. There is something awe-inspiring about a great fastball.
Or how someone can dominate a game throwing 86:)
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For GScott, that is jealousy-inspiring. ;-)
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You don’t need that last 4 if the accuracy is pin-point. ;-)
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What’s funny is that although I have a math degree, I have no interest in wading through the statistical derivations of people different ideas on analyzing baseball data. Screw that – give me the summary and let’s see if the numbers tell us something or not.
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Yes, and then let the other smart people tell me if the conclusions are right or not
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Humma’s Principle = If you know nothing about anything, wait for smart people to weigh in with opinions and then parrot them back as if they were your own. You will sound smart.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
Humma’s Paradox = His wife and his physician.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
Mr. Spock, set your phasers to pun.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
I mean, I would never do what Xeifrank does – god bless him for doing it – with building his simulator, etc. Fucking busman’s holiday to me.
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I hate numbers
and formula’s
and those goddam letters.
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Especially the goddam Greek letters.
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I think you’d have a good time. At least, I don’t think I made David think “why’d I invite this cocksucker”, and I dropped some mechanics stuff on him at the last game.
I’m polite enough not to say such things aloud. :-P
I’m interested in knowing things to look for. For example, BH and HJ told me the best sections to train the binos for bird watching.
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I’d wanna hear it, but then i’d be sad at how many guys you’d say you don’t like.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 15, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
I did play baseball, but I wasn’t good.He doesn’t say at what level.
FWIW, near as I can tell he either had a completely uneventful College career as a baseball player (Univ of Kansas), or didn’t play at the College level.
Could have been Little League.
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If anyone was wondering if Ned could do a lousier job then he did last winter in building a team for 2012, the answer is …..
so far this offseason the Dodgers have signed three players who will be 33, 35, and 36 years old next season who hit a combined .246/.310/.351 in 2011, and guaranteed that trio somewhere in the neighborhood of $14.1 million.
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Only like $7.35M for this year though! ;-)
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that total slash line is better than uribe?
so an upgrade? or something?
Ill reserve passing judgment until mid april.. For all we know Ned will be gone by then anyway.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 15, 2011 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
once i learned you were a financial analyst, everything you said and all the points you were making made sense. We are who we thought we were.
And we let ourselves off the hook!
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Just the 48% of the players that get off on toeing rubbers.
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Has mike krysgajalvbak win his 800,000 game yet?
by Julio Nievas on Nov 15, 2011 6:32 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Sweet, just made it to the bar to witness it
by Julio Nievas on Nov 15, 2011 6:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Sports Illustrated spoke to Ned Colletti about the dangers of bringing Japanese players over to the United States and how many start to struggle in their third year.
Hiroki Kuroda is the exception.
Research by the Boston quantitative analysts showed that most pitchers from Nippon Pro Ball suffered a sharp decline in performance about three years into their transition to Major League Baseball.
I’m thinking that this is a statistically small sample size, although there is a certain commonality of what they are studying that it might work.
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Including Nomo, since 1995 there have been nine pitchers from NPB that have made 40 starts in the big leagues.
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I did not know this!
uniform number 18, a traditional number for an ace in Japan.
Kuroda’s number!
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AJ Ellis batting 2nd
Will be sweet.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Nov 15, 2011 6:40 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I think the Mark Ellis is more likely to bat 2nd than AJ.
But our best lineup would probably be
1.Gordon
2.Loney
3.Kemp
4.Ethier
5.Sands
6.Ellis
7.Uribe
8.Ellis
by dodgers4life on Nov 15, 2011 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
So far, maybe. But it’s November 15. I don’t think anyone’s 25 man roster would have included Matt Treanor before 5 hours ago. Let’s hold out until February 20th or so before making actual lineups
Why hold out until Feb. 20th? Do you think we will add any significant piece that would change the lineup? I don’t think we will but I hope we do. I think the rest of this offseason will be to sign a starting pitcher(hopefully Kuroda), a bench player like Miles, and get a new owner.
by dodgers4life on Nov 15, 2011 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
any one move, whatever that may be, will change that lineup completely. Even then, during the season, we’ll see 40 different lineups.
So… just talk about In ’N Out Burger and what TV shows Jack Huber should watch from now until February?
There’s also rosterbating until you go blind.
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i think our lineup will/should be this
1B Kemp
2B Kemp
SS Kemp
3B Kemp
LF Kemp
CF Kemp
RF Kemp
C Kemp
P Kershaw
and...
Rotation should be:
Kershaw
Kershaw
Kershaw
Kershaw
Kershaw
Bullpen should be:
Jensen
Jensen
Jensen
Jensen
Jensen
Jensen
Jensen
Won't need much of a bullpen
with a rotation of Kershaws.
That infield defense is going to suck.
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Who is this Uribe guy everybody keeps listing in their lineups?
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
See the lack of middle infielders in baseball, Jose is making a comeback.
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Right! Gonzales was his father’s name, which he used early on but after getting traded from St Louis to SF (part of the Jack Clark) deal, he changed to his mother’s name, Uribe, cracking a joke about there being too many Jose Gonzaleseses. Somebody then cracked that Uribe was the true player to be named later.
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Jose Uribe is actually dead. I’d forgotten that.
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he's gritty enough
To get love. He’ll work ethic his way into the 2 hole
by Lex in Brooklyn on Nov 15, 2011 6:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Honest question
How much better is Jose Reyes than Jimmy Rollins at the same age?
Reyes career through age 28 season: .292 / .341 / .441 / .782, 106 OPS+
Rollins through age 28 season: .277 / .331 / .441 / .772, 98 OPS+
Ten points of OBP, 8 OPS+ difference.
Heck, Furcal through age 28: .286 / .351 / .415 / .766, 97 OPS+
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They overpaid for Rollins; will anyone do the same for Reyes?
by KellyStephen on Nov 15, 2011 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
Rollins signed for 5/40 with a 2011 option in 2006.
Dont think that was an overpay.
I’d be shocked if he doesnt sign with the Giants.
He just seems to be the type that would go there (age 32).
After Lincecum’s deal, they’ll have about a 96mils for 2012.
Thats without Beltran.
They were at 118 in 2011.
So looks like they got around 20 mils to play with.
Isn’t Cain arb or does he already have a deal?
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Good Thing, this would have been a bad year for the Giants to have lots of wiggle room.
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Just to irk me they probably end up with Beltran
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not with Pill outplaying him, and if Beltran does re-sign (I don’t think he will), Huff has to play 1B, no?
Giants have a lot of experience with 8 digit salaries riding pine.
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Difference between Reyes and Rollins is about 0.8 WAR (B-R style) over 162 games.
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Rather put hope in youngsters starting, than already know before the season that the offense is going to suck.
And when you need 7th and 8th starters? Ely? Hope Withrow develops fast? The lack of depth is a little scary there.
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I know we will be bringing in a bunch of NRI types. Don’t rule out another go around with Padilla either. I heard he is pitching somewhere in winter ball.
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Webster/EO both in the rotation would be awesome just for entertainment purposes. I’d have geniune interesting watching them and Kershaw.
I still watch for improvements even if they start out bad.
I never got tired of James McDonald starts
Who could, they ended so quickly
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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I think I’d have fun watching Webster, and know I had fun watching Rubby, but Eovaldi makes me angry.
He’ll probably really piss you off this season
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 15, 2011 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
not much of a fan either, think he ends up in the pen but he will work out if no one has expectations.. 5th starter is fine with me for now
he needs to learn a split finger and a slider. his arm wrap won’t let his arm catch up in time to pronate a changeup effectively or to get around a curveball. give him the stuff he can keep the fastball motion on but change the grip and release point. instead of hard-hard-soft keep him hard-hard-hard.
Course, I said the same thing about Brad Penny and he didn’t start throwing a splitter with any regularity until it was too late.
yeah, looked like he slowed down his arm a bit on breaking pitches, I like that he can bring the heat, not much else tho.
That Kenley Jansen cutter would do him fine
He was cooked prior to his last 5 appearances
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 15, 2011 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
i’m optimistic with Eo…I think he still has time to figure some stuff out. I don’t want him to start the year as 5th starter though.
by eitherethier on Nov 15, 2011 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
Some cast off veteran vagabonds will likely occupy that role until the second week of May
by 68elcamino427 on Nov 15, 2011 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
honestly
I’d be fine with Eveland to start the year. after everyone figures him out, hopefully a prospect is doing well enough to take the job.
by eitherethier on Nov 15, 2011 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
I don't want him going to triple A
and I don’t see a reason to put him back in double A. I am all for a pitcher learning how to pitch in a hitters paradise. For the most part it should teach the importance of hitting your location/pitch selection and stuff like that.. but Eovaldi doesn’t really need to feel the wrath of the new mexico
If Las Vegas was good enough for Billingsley, Albuquerque is good enough for Eovaldi.
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Better to learn in Albuquerque than in the National League then.
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Just saying if Ned had not jumped the gun on Rivera or Ellis wouldn’t most of us love to see either:
Loney
Gordon
Reyes
Uribe
or
Loney
Ellis
Reyes
Uribe
with an outfield of Kemp/Gordon/Andre
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Yes.
I’m going to barf if the Marlins end up paying Jose Reyes 15mils a year, while the Dodgers pay Rivera/Ellis/Treanor almost that.
Rivera/Ellis/Treanor will make less than half that this year. 4+2.5+0.85 = 7.35, but with some incentives in there. Won’t be a lot more than 1/2 of that Reyes 15 mil. Ellis is really front-loaded.
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Right. Ellis probably has a front-loaded wife.
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Looks like a QB throwing a baseball, this can’t end well
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Yeah, that arm action looks a bit janky
It might have just been a staged photo, though.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 15, 2011 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
I almost said the warming up thing
but something about this picture tells me he’s not actually playing catch
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 15, 2011 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
or if Kershaw’s sister tweets the news like Hellickson’s sister did on Monday
by Eric Stephen on Nov 15, 2011 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
Fairly clever of Jerry Buss to get David Stern to play hard ball so the players go the only route that could eventually negate every current contract allowing Buss to sign Blake Griffin to a Laker contract thus fulfilling his destiny.
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for all of the players for whom this would have been their last year
and now will be seen no more
because last season turns out to be their final one
somewhat unexpected
and bittersweet
SEE YA!
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by 68elcamino427 on Nov 15, 2011 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
Only boxers go through money faster then NBA players. Amazing how many crooked business managers there are.
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Good thing both have reduced life expectancies then.
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Yes, and yes it will be interesting to see how he’s handled.
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if he throws more than say, 110, he was both mishandled and I’ll drop him from all my prospect lists.
So, do you want him on the +30 plan?
2012: 110 IP
2013: 140 IP
2014: 170 IP
2015: 200 IP
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 15, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
Dodgers can't afford Kuroda?
Ken Gurnick reports: "He (Colletti) said he’s not even sure he’ll be able to re-sign pitcher Hiroki Kuroda, who earned $12 million this year. "
Let’s hope this is merely posturing for negotiations with Kuroda.
http://mlb.mlblogs.com/2011/11/15/dodgers-sign-ellis-treanor-payroll-to-drop/
Apparently the Dbacks and Angels want him
I wouldn’t completely rule out him signing with another team, so that would be pretty risky.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 15, 2011 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
Damn
There was a thread two months ago where I said y’know it might not be just Dodgers-or-Japan, he could sign with another team, and every single one of you told me I was crazy.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
COMPLETELY NOT THE POINT MEERCAT
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
and it does appear you are not crazy after all. Have to say if Kuroda goes somewhere else then fuck him for not taking the trade on July 31st
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If its anaheim I'll be more ok with it
then if he leaves socal. If he actually goes to the d-backs he is totally dead to me
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Kuroda has been pretty decent at Chase, really surprised if they would be willing to spend 10-12 million dollars on him
by NotJoeTorre on Nov 15, 2011 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Heard they are thinking of non – tendering Saunders,
Maybe saving their money for a better pitcher?
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
What would Saunders command on the market?
he wouldn’t be a bad guy to stick in the back of the rotation would he?
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Looking at his stats
I wouldn’t mind it
by NotJoeTorre on Nov 15, 2011 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
Angels could use him:)
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
They should sign him if hes available.. fuck, that rotation would log so many good innings
by NotJoeTorre on Nov 15, 2011 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
Weaver
Haren
Wilson
Santana
Saunders
I would love that rotation
by NotJoeTorre on Nov 15, 2011 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
how much is he making? Saunders did pretty good for them. I wouldn’t mind picking him up if he comes cheap
by NotJoeTorre on Nov 15, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
No one is cheap these days.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
this is just me
but I would keep him for that price and go bargain shopping
by NotJoeTorre on Nov 15, 2011 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
dropping him for Kuroda doesn’t seem like a big a difference(I’m not considering WAR)
by NotJoeTorre on Nov 15, 2011 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
SPOT
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
WAN
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
I have a feeling “posturing” won’t sit well with Kuroda. But asking him to spread his paycheck out a bit – say $8M now and $4M next year – might.
However, Eric’s is already estimate the current 2012 payroll at $112.5M (see sidebar), so they’re already over.
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Maybe if Ned is under financial constraints he signs Kuroda first and then fucking works from there not fucking backwards
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I'm starting to think Colletti's going to add a cheap but good SP or a bat through trade
Now that Sands is redundant, he has a decent centerpiece to move. Through in a couple of minor league arms and we’d have someone.
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Every time people talk about how the Dodgers don't have the prospects
Someone gets traded for nothing, like the Haren to Angels trade or the Lee to Phillies. But, I was honestly thinking of including Webster anyway, i just wanted to make that point.
Sands, Webster, and Martin would get us something shiny from the right team.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 15, 2011 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
Martin? Might as well have said Xavier Paul and Lindblom.
Teams trade for prospects, not former prospects.
As a reliever he still has a career
A decent MR/SU guy isn’t exactly bad as the third guy when you trade away an average or slightly above player.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 15, 2011 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
every single MiLB starting pitcher prospect could be a MLB middle reliever today and have some sort of success for a year or two. You don’t trade for someone else’s washed up crap.
Anyway
My point is that this is a trade for a cheapish 2.5-3 WAR pitcher under contract for a year or two. You can replace Martin with whoever you want, then.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 15, 2011 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
Webster/Sands?
which is what i said.
Since Colletti’s obviously just gonna let Sands have fun blasting homers in ABQ, might as well take a top prospect and get us something to help us to the playoffs.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 15, 2011 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
You might – might – find a team that still believes in a Sands, Withrow (not that far removed from being a #1), Eovaldi (hey, he’s seen the majors as a starter) package having a little value.
Sands is Trayvon, different pluses and minuses, but flawed with potential. Trayvon netted FedEx and two A-ball arms, or renting Erik Bedard, depending on your perspective.
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2.5 to 3 wins is another Chad Billingsley.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 15, 2011 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
Still an above average player
I admit that i might be hesitant to propose this for a 3.5-4.5 WAR guy because i’ve seen so many horrible low ball trade proposals that i’ve jaded as to prospect value.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 15, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
last three years WAR (B-R) – 1.0, 2.6, 0.9. He was decent/solid in 2010. Bad Chad is a 1 WAR starter.
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That's going off a statistic that goes off ERA
As far as pitching goes, I definitely prefer fangraphs WAR. Hitting is a mixed bag as far as WAR for either site, though.
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doesn't go off of ERA
Goes off of RA and park adjusts. Uses leverage for relievers. So it is not totally trash. :)
No matter how often you explain this it never sticks.
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by regfairfield on Nov 16, 2011 8:13 AM PST up reply actions
A down year Chad
which is what people seem to forget. His upside is still just about a 5 win pitcher, downside in a full season is about 2 WAR. He settles in right around 3.5-4 in a normal year.
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Getting Skaggs for Haren wasn’t exactly nothing. Saunders on the other hand…
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 15, 2011 9:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Tyler Skaggs, albeit young, not exactly “nothing”. And Corbin was a 2nd rounder out of HS in his second year in the minors. Not exactly nothing.
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Right.
If you deal Sands, you need to get a #2-3 type back, and if you can’t get that, there’s no reason to trade him.
WAT?
Someone who you don’t even like, the scouts don’t like, was barely a top 100 prospect is going to bring back a number two or three? Are we talking number shit as in taking a shit and a number three is something I’ve never heard of?
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I'm in agreement with you
Ned resigned Rivera to an awful deal, but I think Sands will start a decent amount of games this year, somewhere between 75-100 depending on injuries. He will be a useful player to the team this year and in the future.
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I like him
FIP right around 4 and xFIP under 4. K/9 8.13 and BB/9 only 2.56. Could be good filler material.
I like him too, only problem being his health and that a 3-4 million deal actually fucks up our budget.. errrr
Better 3-4 on him than on Harang.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 15, 2011 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, they're pretty close, minus K/9 and BB/9 rates
Nevermind.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 15, 2011 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
Those are two pretty important stats.
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Their guards are just awful
Missing wide open shot after wide open shot.
by SeanMillerSavior on Nov 15, 2011 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Not sayin'.
Just sayin’.
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by David Young on Nov 15, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Guess who recommended Ellis
Colletti said the team chose Mark Ellis for defense first, with analysis by new front-office number cruncher Alex Tamin. Ellis leads all active MLB second basemen in “zone rating,” a calculation based on ground-ball chances in a defined zone by position.
Ned, on not signing a new big bat:
We’ll have to figure out other ways to produce runs — the way Juan Rivera produced for us the second half.So the strategy is to get really fucking lucky.
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Gurnick speculates Angels:
Kuroda told the club he would re-sign if he felt there was a good chance of winning it all. He has a low-ball offer to return to Japan, but he also is expected to speak to other clubs, the Angels for example, if he rules out the Dodgers. If Kuroda leaves, pitchers on the Dodgers’ radar include Chris Capuano, Jeff Francis and Aaron Harang.
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Humma went against the grain, said Kuroda might sign elsewhere in MLB
by Eric Stephen on Aug 3, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up actions
or at least that is wasn’t a given that he would sign only with the Dodgers.
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by David Young on Aug 3, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up actions
Indeed
by Eric Stephen on Aug 3, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up actions
Oh, then he’s an idiot.
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by Phil Gurnee on Aug 3, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up actions
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
Humma one – TBLA Editor and Moderators zero
if rumors counted for jack shit:)
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For what it’s worth, I still think that it’s likely that it’s Dodgers or Japan. Just not a given is all.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
stand your ground, you’ll get more points
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My further ground is this: it happens all the time that people say one thing and do another. We don’t like it but it happens and it doesn’t necessarily mean that the person in question is a bad guy. We’re all just trying to do our best.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
Are we Humma, are we? Because I know I’m not trying to do my best so why would I think the rest of the world is? The real story is that most of the human race are slackers living off of other people’s hard work. So some of you are trying to do your best, the rest of us are simply Dex’s.
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I do my best in appropriate bursts. If I tried to do my best at all times, I’d be dead from it. This is why every day pro athletes can be pretty amazing – they have to be at their best a lot.
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I do my best a lot
sometimes I am drunk, but still doing my best
and the other times I am on here
I don’t do my best much here, being here is in fact not my best, unless it is after work hours, then it is my best of fun on the computer when I long for the company of snarky dodger fans
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 16, 2011 2:28 AM PST up reply actions
Or, as I said at the time:
1) People sometimes say things, then change their mind.
2) People say things, then sometimes do different things, for a lot of reasons.
3) People sometimes intend one thing, then, reluctantly, are put in situations where other things force their hand.
4) People sometimes have a lot of complicated reasons why they do something, but boil it down to a simple reason when describing their motives
In other words, everything that Dylan has reported could be correct, and still, Kuroda could end up signing with another MLB team, and it would not mean that anybody lied, was unfaithful, went back on their word, etc. It would just be somebody doing what is best for himself, which is what we all do.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
I need to meet this number cruncher
Alex Tamin at the next blogger night. I don’t believe he is “real”.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
He's been their hired gun in the past
so he’s not exactly new to Ned.
Tamin has spent more than 15 years representing a number of Major League teams – including the Dodgers – in player salary arbitrations and contract negotiations along with a legal practice focused on complex commercial litigation.
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It is one thing not to sign Kuroda because he’s going to Japan, it is one thing not to sign Kuroda because you don’t have the money but it is entirely something else to sign Rivera / Ellis and then say you might not have the money to sign Kuroda.
Because as Gary said in a pinch, if you close your eyes, there ain’t much difference between Sands/Sellers and Rivera / Ellis.
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I think depth is overrated.
If your best players get hurt, you’re probably not going to have a good team anyway.
Thats just the way it is.
Making contingencies to attemtp to win 78 games, instead of bottoming out by having to play minor leaguers doesnt seem very cost effective.
The counterargument goes
But if, say, Jim Loney (not your best player) gets hurt, better to have Juan Rivera filling in than, say, John Lindsey.
But I agree with punching the big tickets first, then filling out the roster. Ned apparently likes to pick low hanging fruit instead.
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Yea, the only problem is that he’s paying millions for these so called scrubs.
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Players you don’t have to pay a ~1 WAR salary to. ;-)
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Ellis
Rivera
Treanor
Uribe
Guerrier
Miles
MacDonald
Navarro
Barajas
Gibbons
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Replacement players, or slightly better, i.e., you shouldn’t have to pay them over $1M/year ?
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define “slightly better than replacement”. :)
I’d cross M.Ellis, J.Rivera, R.Barajas off that list fo sho.
How much WAR would you expect from a replacement player if he played all year?
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Wouldn’t a replacement player have 0.0 WAR (over a full season) by definition?
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
Six position players had zero or negative fWAR this year.
Vladimir Guerrero
Kosuke Fukudome
Juan Pierre
Aubrey Huff
Alex Rios
Raul Ibanez
That is bizarre, you have said many times you hate old ballplayers. Vlad is not only old, he’s broken. I loved the man but he’s toast, and not the barely toast with a gold glimmer, but dark left in to long toast.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
In bWAR
From 0.0 to the depths
Carl Crawford
Seth Smith
Juan Pierre
Delmon Young
Hideki Matsui
Mitch Moreland
Vernon Wells
Raul Ibanez
Ichiro Suzuki
Juan Rivera
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by David Young on Nov 15, 2011 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, but that is likely just noise
a few of those are not replacement level players (true talent wise).
Pull your head away from the spreadsheet and look around, put away the slide ruler, let the algorithm wiggle in discomfort. You know in your heart what a scrub is.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, but that is measuring after the fact. If you tell me that player A, B, C and D are all true talent replacement level players. Chances are the won’t all end up with 0.0 WAR if they play the whole season, due to noise. But I will answer before the fact that on average they should finish at 0.0 WAR with some kind of skewed distribution curve.
[forehead slap] Duh.
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by David Young on Nov 15, 2011 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Someone you would expect to be a true 0.25 – 0.5 WAR player if he played full time?
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by David Young on Nov 15, 2011 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
That’s a good definition. I think Juan Rivera and Mark Ellis are not scrubs if we use that. Sure, they could “turn out” to be scrubs. Heck even Matt Kemp put up a WAR close to that, so anything can happen. But if you set the over/under of 0.5 WAR in 2012 for both M.Ellis and J.Rivera, I’d take the over. gulp.
maybe the scouts see some improvement in his future. But yeah, I think that one fits in to Phil’s 2nd Law of Sucktitude.
i'm going to be very annoyed
if the Dodgers don’t have money to re-sign Kuroda with the amount they’ve spent thus far.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 15, 2011 9:47 PM PST reply actions
This annoyed!
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
Of course
he’s not in a fucking office.
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very
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 15, 2011 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
Best part of the prospect votes is that we get to see new names from our membership.
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Worst part of the prospect vote is that we have to come to terms with our lackluster prospects.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
No one thought we had jack shit last year and………….
1. Rubby was a sensation in the spring, carried it into summer, went out on his shield
2. Gordon not only made it to the majors but was having an impact in his second wind
3. Sands not only made it way a head of schedule but was having an impact in his second wind
4. You might have heard that Kenley Fucking Jansen set the ALL TIME K/9 RECORD
5. Nathan Eovaldi outpitched many more heralded prospects in AA
6. Some dude named Javy was the second best rookie closer in baseball
7. Some dude named Sellers had the best tatoos in baseball
8. Josh Lindblom did some mighty fine work
9. ……………
Eight is enough
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Leave it to Simers...
…to piss on our Kemp Kornflakes.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb/dodgers/la-sp-simers-20111116,0,7767833.column
It’s typical…doesn’t say a damn thing except he doesn’t trust Frank so there must be something else going on here.
by KellyStephen on Nov 15, 2011 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
that’s all he knows
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 15, 2011 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
No shit. I stopped reading Plaschke 6-8 years ago so dropping this douchebag won’t be that much of a problem.
by KellyStephen on Nov 15, 2011 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
I stopped reading Plaschke with the Sasha Cohen debacle. That was it; I just couldn’t do it anymore after that.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Depo for me, but I remember that BS with Cohen. I don’t know why he didn’t like Bruno
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
Heh
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by David Young on Nov 15, 2011 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
You know, I just went and found the Sasha Cohen/Plaschke piece. It is every bit as horrible as I remember it. There are zero comments on it. I have half a mind to make the first one: “Five years later, this is still one of the worst pieces of sports journalism I have ever read.”
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
Not only fuck Simers, but this article is pointless.
Shorter Simers: “I know why you’re happy, but think about who’s giving him the big deal. He’s only ever done stuff that serves himself. We have to assume that is what he’s doing now. What, exactly, he’s doing, I dunno, but I can make some vague, unfounded, and hyperbolic suggestions. Boogy boogy boogy!”
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
Boogy boogy boogy!
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
If Simers were honest, that would be self-description.
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by David Young on Nov 15, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
FLAGGED
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by David Young on Nov 15, 2011 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
Why would you think you should even try?
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by David Young on Nov 15, 2011 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
and they think the football program is a problem
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
Not the first basketball team to die in the Sports Arena.
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by David Young on Nov 15, 2011 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
He would if this was happening in Pauley. Everyone knows UCLA doesn’t travel, just ask bowl committees. ;-)
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by David Young on Nov 15, 2011 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
the baseball program is top 5 nowadays, that might be helping him
by NotJoeTorre on Nov 15, 2011 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
Boosters with big $ don’t give two shits about college baseball.
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by David Young on Nov 15, 2011 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously, what is the point of complying with a completely corrupt and inane system and then submitting teams so poor that they don’t give the school license to bilk its alumni for millions to pad its egregious endowment?
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Nov 15, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
I wish I could be known for egregious endowment.
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by David Young on Nov 15, 2011 10:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
For the most part, the
Program is self sufficient, UCLA athletics represent about 1% of the expenses (almost their entire budget is raised within the athletic department). Thus, if the program is clean and be able not to burden the rest of the school’s budget, the administrarrion really doesn’t care.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 15, 2011 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
Someone gave Joe bad advice. He should have taken the first comment about betting against UCLA
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
I"m sure he’s pissing on someone
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 15, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
I avoided the bet and all college hoops action – none of it other than MTS felt right and I wasn’t going to bet against UCLA.
I saw Styx and Sammy Haggar (w/ Michael Anthony) in a private concert tonight
Styx is fucking old, but Sammy Haggar puts on one hell of show
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 16, 2011 2:34 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t take anything I said tonight seriously, night all
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
it's hard not to grumble sometimes
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 15, 2011 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Tim Brown says Pujols has a nine-year offer from the Marlins, and speculated that it was for $25m per.
those grumblings
you hear are not coming from your stomach, they are coming from Cardinals fans who are likely getting a little sick to their stomach now. Do I hear a 10th year? Going once… Sold! To the man with the funny looking logo.
(must not get annoyed, must not get annoyed)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 15, 2011 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
Submitted for the approval of the TBLA midnight society
I call this catcher…. Mister Misty
/carry on
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
After Ned closed some of these deals, I did shout something like “Kyrie Eleison!”
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by David Young on Nov 15, 2011 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
On the one hand
I think Kershaw will win.
On the other, it now would not surprise me if Halladay won CYA and Kemp won MVP.
work slippers?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 16, 2011 7:35 AM PST up reply actions
must’ve been good wine, but then it’s you, so what else could it be? :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 16, 2011 8:00 AM PST up reply actions
it was a cheap night
Smirnoff and soda at a corporate party with 4000 attendees, Sammy Hagar, an open bar
followed by Chivas at the Blackjack table
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 16, 2011 8:26 AM PST up reply actions
Regardless of how his name is pronounced
Treanor’s nickname is Pie
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Good stuff from Baseball Prospectus about DIPS theory. This seems like a “well duh” sort of thing but it’s a great building block to work from. Basically:
The batter mostly controls the speed of the ball off the bat, but the pitcher’s influence does matter.
The harder a ball is hit the more likely it is to be a hit.
What this should lead to is an xBABIP stat for pitchers which could really help trying to evaluate guys like Jair Jurjenns.
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