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2012 TBLA #3 Dodger Prospect Discussion

Allen Webster throwing for the Loons back in 2010

Allen Webster captured the #2 prospect spot with a 28 - 20 win over Nate Eovaldi, also beating out Garrett Gould (9 votes) and Chris Reed (4 votes).  I didn't feel the vote was close enough to for a runoff, and I also don't think I can automatically name Eovaldi as the #3 prospect since Gould got a decent amount of support.  So today, we will continue the prospect discussion here, and conduct the voting for prospect #3 in this Fanpost

I'm adding James Baldwin to the list of eligible prospects this time around, and feel free to suggestion who I should include next time.  Also, since we won't be starting new votes on weekends, this vote will run all the way through Sunday evening.

Here are the candidates for the Dodgers #3 prospect:

Chris Reed - LHP (21.5 years old) - This year's 1st round pick only threw 7 innings in his professional debut, but as the Stanford closer Reed had a 2.56 ERA in 2011 and struck out a batter per inning.  The Dodgers plan to use him as a starter, and he figures to move quickly through the system.  The lefty can touch 96 mph and has 3 quality pitches (fastball, power slider, and an above-average changeup)

Garrett Gould - RHP (20.25 years old) - Gould had a breakthrough season in 2011 as he ranked 2nd in the Midwest League with his 2.40 ERA.  His FIP was also solid at 3.31, and he had a 7.6 K/9.  The big righty possesses a low 90's fastball with good sink and an average changeup, but he's best known for his big 12-to-6 curveball that ranked as one of the best of the 2009 draft.

Nate Eovaldi - RHP (21.75 years old) - We got a good look at Eovaldi in a Dodgers uniform this past season, and he performed well in his big league debut with a 3.63 ERA in 34.2 innings.  Back in AA, Nate posted a 2.62 ERA, a 3.05 FIP, and a 8.65 K/9.  In terms of his stuff, we all saw that Eovaldi's best pitch is his upper 90's fastball, and he also throws a slider and a changeup.

Joc Pederson - OF (19.5 years old) - Pederson's name was scattered all over the Pioneer League Leaderboard after a big offensive season that saw him hit .353 with 11 homers, 24 SB's, and a .997 OPS.  As I mentioned last year he has 5-tool potential, although none of his 5 tools seem to have a particularly high ceiling.  Scouts don't think he'll be able to handle center field in the big leagues, but believe he can play either corner outfield spot.

Chris Withrow - RHP (22.5 years old) - Withrow had a quiet, yet solid campaign in 2011 as he posted a 4.20 ERA in AA to go along with a 3.86 FIP and a 9.1 K/9.  He continues to struggle with control, but is armed with a hard fastball, a very good curveball, and a changeup that Baseball America calls fringy.  He's still in the rotation for now, although there have been talks that he could move to the bullpen if he can't improve his walk rate.

James Baldwin - OF (20 years old) - Baldwin started the 2011 season on fire, and while he cooled down as the year progressed he still finished with 10 homers, 22 stolen bases, and a .828 OPS.  Many people call him the most exciting prospect since Matt Kemp, although Baldwin struggles with strikeouts much more than Kemp did.  He should have no trouble handling center field as he moves up through the minors.

Again, please use this post as the discussion thread, and cast your actual vote in this Fanpost

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I think I'll go for Eo this time

also, you should add Tolleson

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 18, 2011 8:15 AM PST reply actions  

I'll add him for the next vote

and i’m open to adding others as well based on other recommendations

by Brandon Lennox on Nov 18, 2011 8:18 AM PST up reply actions  

if Baldwin has been added already

Garcia should be added fairly soon too. They’re kinda in the same boat as low minors, raw high-ceiling hitting prospects.

by EMDarrow on Nov 18, 2011 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

snap

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 18, 2011 8:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I did

Either you had this pre-typed, or you are a fast typing mofo

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 18, 2011 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s the same resume I used to apply to a similar position.

by G.Scott on Nov 18, 2011 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

was talking more about the cover letter

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 18, 2011 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Fuck, I was going to record Prime Ticket today at 11am, but forgot to set my DVR.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 18, 2011 8:24 AM PST reply actions  

With DirecTV, you can do it online

by Michael White on Nov 18, 2011 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Same with Fios

which I just remembered. Doing it now.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 18, 2011 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

What is on at 11am anyways? just curious

by uschris0304 on Nov 18, 2011 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Matt Kemp’s press conference is at 11

by Eric Stephen on Nov 18, 2011 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

oh, I see, thats cool… Probably listed as something else at 11 though right? So I’ll tape that… Will it last half hour, or hour?

by uschris0304 on Nov 18, 2011 8:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Thing I thought

Eric Stephen would never do, one is record a show entitled “the Rick Neuheisal Show” even if he knows that is presser slot.

by bhsportsguy on Nov 18, 2011 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Haha

I would at least try to adjust the time to it would also get the Kiffin show right after :)

by Eric Stephen on Nov 18, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Regarding Kemp’s contract, do you think the details of the contract will come out today, or just the broad strokes (years and total salary?)

by Michael White on Nov 18, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I think they will come out eventually today, though maybe not around the time the deal becomes official.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 18, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Kemp press conference

by G.Scott on Nov 18, 2011 8:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I keep getting a “recording failed” error online. Oh well.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 18, 2011 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

maybe try again in a little bit, things like that happen… You still have 2.5 hours

by uschris0304 on Nov 18, 2011 8:34 AM PST up reply actions  

enjoying the service?

TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion

by Ivdown on Nov 18, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Even with Time Warner Cable you can now record shows online, and from your cell phone… Fios doesnt allow this?

by uschris0304 on Nov 18, 2011 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I just found this out last week, was so happy, finally Time Warner gives me something… Now I just need to get that whole house DVR.

by uschris0304 on Nov 18, 2011 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Can’t you walk home in two minutes (cigarette break)

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 18, 2011 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Just an FYI
Even with the major league struggles Baseball HQ tabbed Trayvon Robinson as the Mariners number four prospect. Which was notable because he came in a head of 21 year old SS Nick Franklin who was their number one pick in 2009.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 18, 2011 8:26 AM PST reply actions  

bonus points for “closest to majors”? I wonder what kind of press Trayvon got in Seattle for being the guy they got for Bedard.

by G.Scott on Nov 18, 2011 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

He also had some highlight reel defensive plays and they love outfield defense up there. Maybe the logic is that even if he sucks with a bat in his hands, he still has value as an outielder

by Michael White on Nov 18, 2011 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I do love me a good diving catch/great throw, but those two awful plays he made are the ones that pop into my head when I think of Trayvon Robinson and defense.

by G.Scott on Nov 18, 2011 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t recall the awful plays you’re referring to, but I didn’t really pay much attention

by Michael White on Nov 18, 2011 8:35 AM PST up reply actions  

They do love Franklin Guittierez

Though Trayvon won’t be close to that good defensively.

TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion

by Ivdown on Nov 18, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

HQ doesn’t care about press strictly roto ceiling and normally a SS like Franklin would outrank an average (at best) hitting corner outfielder who has speed but does not run. I’ve asked them to elaborate.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 18, 2011 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

It was my understanding that other then the highlight reels he was a defensive disaster.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 18, 2011 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh if it’s based on roto, I could see him getting power/speed with positional value points.

by G.Scott on Nov 18, 2011 8:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Speed don’t mean squat if you don’t attempt to steal bases in a roto sense.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 18, 2011 8:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I was only surprised because Franklin was coming off of Mono and according to the scouts had a great AFL.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 18, 2011 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t care what he does in the majors, his value as a prospect was much more than what we got for him

by NotJoeTorre on Nov 18, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Boston thought he was worth the rental of Erik Bedard for two months.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Nov 18, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Both Gould and Reed gave me pause, but the limited success in the bigs won out for me in the end.

by OB12 on Nov 18, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I totally get that. But if Reed beats Gould, I will go ape-shit.

/not really

by Michael White on Nov 18, 2011 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I would like to get on board the Reed wagon, but I’m too afraid he will be turn into a left-handed Ethan Martin.

by BFDC on Nov 18, 2011 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the Reed wagon is mostly me holding the handle on the little red wagon

by G.Scott on Nov 18, 2011 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Your reasons for Reed almost made me select him for this one. He just didn’t pitch enough.

by OB12 on Nov 18, 2011 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Totally understandable. A lot of people didn’t vote for Lee last year for the same reason. I didn’t vote for Lee because I was too busy voting for Rubby.

by G.Scott on Nov 18, 2011 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I think he’ll end up 5th, which seems about right to me. A solid, full season would push him into the number 2 spot next year probably.

by OB12 on Nov 18, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

That was pretty much my thinking too.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 18, 2011 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Even though I voted for Reed, Eovaldi impresses me with his determination. I think he’ll succeed in developing his secondary pitches to the point where he’ll be a pretty good 3/4 starter.

by latenite on Nov 18, 2011 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

It's been an interesting Fall 2011 in sports

NBA lockout
Cards win WS
Jerry Sandusky disturbing saga
Kershaw wins CYA at 23
Syracuse B-ball assistant coach mollestation story
Okie State’s women’s B-Ball coach, assistant dead after plane crash
Tebow 4-1 after tabbed as starter

by Julio Nievas on Nov 18, 2011 9:00 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

The Oklahoma State thing is awful. Can’t believe something like that has happened twice to that school.

by UCLADodger32 on Nov 18, 2011 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Whoopi Goldberg that jazz

by G.Scott on Nov 18, 2011 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

USC finally getting a win in Oregon

by Eric Stephen on Nov 18, 2011 9:11 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

just because

They call me the thread killer

by Greg Stephen on Nov 18, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

A team with a losing record

getting both the CY and MVP

They call me the thread killer

by Greg Stephen on Nov 18, 2011 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

shit pisses me off everytime I think about it.

by uschris0304 on Nov 18, 2011 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

dodgers

Finished 3 games above .500

by bhsportsguy on Nov 18, 2011 9:26 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

how quickly they forget

by Hollywood Joe on Nov 18, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

another case of the heart not consulting the head beforehand

by G.Scott on Nov 18, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

there is wreckage and misery down that road

by Hollywood Joe on Nov 18, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

hope

The Mrs. Is feeling better

by bhsportsguy on Nov 18, 2011 9:31 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

She is, finally, doing better

I am on the edge of being sick but refuse to go quietly into that good night

by Hollywood Joe on Nov 18, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

tomato

tomato

They call me the thread killer

by Greg Stephen on Nov 18, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

still

Not losing. And if they had a losing record, Kemp would not win the MVP. Also, good shot that without Dodgers improved play, Kershaw doesn’t win 21 games,

by bhsportsguy on Nov 18, 2011 9:33 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

and lest we forget

the exhilarating run to .500

the most fun I had with my clothes on in the month of September for sure

by Hollywood Joe on Nov 18, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

i get mad when people think we had a losing record too

by G.Scott on Nov 18, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Most definitely. I posted something just now at the bottom

I’d like to see some feedback about it, as it seems there is a mixed thought process on it.

TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion

by Ivdown on Nov 18, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

McCourt agreeing to sell the Dodgers.

Kemp signing for 8/$160m

by Eric Stephen on Nov 18, 2011 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

49’rs winning in Pitt and being the best Bball team in California

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 18, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Can't wait for UCI to BEAT THE BEACH

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

That wasn’t called for RtP?

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Nov 18, 2011 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Weak. Without context at least, that looks pretty much like the textbook example of it.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Nov 18, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

they need brendan shanahan to make a video explaining why it wasn’t called a penalty

by G.Scott on Nov 18, 2011 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

it probably didn't look as bad at full speed

but the NFL is nothing if not inconsistent about roughing the passer.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

All shoulder. In realtime there’s less than a second between when he released it and when he was hit.

by Michael White on Nov 18, 2011 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

It doesn't help that von followed through and drove him into the ground

but that ones close enough that its not really worth getting up in arms over

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

At full speed, he probably had no idea the ball was released.

I watched a Giant game 5+ years ago where the defensive player (Mathias Kiwanuka) let go of Vince Young on third down instead of finishing the tackle. Young ended up running for a first down and the Titans ended up winning the game. Kiwanuka was blasted for his play.

I know the intentions are good and all, but the margin of error is so small between what’s clean and what’s a penalty. And college is way worse than the NFL.

by Michael White on Nov 18, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm pickin up what you're laying down`

the worst football play I’ve ever seen was in the National championship game last yer where oregon let up because the guy looked down and they didn’t want to draw a penalty, and instead gave up 20+ more yards, thus sealing their fate. Raged so hard at that.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

You see it all the time in college. Running quarterback starts going towards the sidelines, defensive player lets up, running quarterback turns it back on and runs for 10 more yards. Or, runnign quarter back starts going towards sidelines, defensive players tackles him, 15 yard penalty added on after the run.

by Michael White on Nov 18, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

That was Michael Dyer.

Arkansas had the same kind of play in the Sugar Bowl last year and DJ Williams was ruled down y contact.

Both players wrist was the only thing that touched the ground.

by keithc13 on Nov 18, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

There was a play last night where Tebow looked like he was going out of bounds and the Jets let up, only to see him get another 6 yards or so

any player should be considered in bounds, for the purposes of hitting, until 2 feet hit the ground out of bounds

by Hollywood Joe on Nov 18, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Being mean to a guy that is hated by his coach.

by keithc13 on Nov 18, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

About as much as he regrets his “That was the stupidest timeout in the history of the League” comment.

by keithc13 on Nov 18, 2011 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

That man’s ratio of shit talking to success has the be the most lopsided in NFL history.

by Michael White on Nov 18, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

we are

Talking Rex Ryan?

by bhsportsguy on Nov 18, 2011 9:35 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

ah come on

he took them to 2 AFC Championship games, and to the playoffs his first year. Thats more success then most coaches ever have

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

but I hate him

by Hollywood Joe on Nov 18, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I dislike him too

I liked him at first but it never ever stopped and the tide turned.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I do enjoy that the Steelers, quietly and with class, have been kicking the shit out of him in big games since he was at Baltimore

by Hollywood Joe on Nov 18, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought the AFC championship games were before he got there. Okay, he still talks too much shit.

by Michael White on Nov 18, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

He needs a football filter on is mouth for Christmas

by keithc13 on Nov 18, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I would be a bit surprised

no helmet action

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

but it was a quarterback

and no, I don’t think a fine is coming

by Hollywood Joe on Nov 18, 2011 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

HJ

Has a free NFL weekend with the Steelers having a bye

by bhsportsguy on Nov 18, 2011 9:34 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Sounds like all the joy, none of the worry

thinking about doing something ambitious if I am feeling up to it – like roasted boar ragu over fresh pasta

by Hollywood Joe on Nov 18, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I take no joy in seeing a man’s personal safety completely neglected

by Josie Becker on Nov 18, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

It was a clean hit yo

maybe a little late, but otherwise textbook

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

a little?

clean hits don’t happen on defenseless quarterbacks looking elsewherez

by Josie Becker on Nov 18, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Always be polite and tap on their shoulder before lowing the boom

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 18, 2011 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

“Excuse me, Mr QB. Do you mind if I tackle you now?”

by keithc13 on Nov 18, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not trying to be a debbie downer

but the QB had already released the ball, the hit did nothing to help his team other than potentially injuring the quarterback

by Josie Becker on Nov 18, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

putting fear into the other quarterback is part of the game

hurting without injuring should be part of what a defense does

by Hollywood Joe on Nov 18, 2011 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

You think these 260 pound dudes running a 4.6 40 can just stop the tackling motion? There’s no helmet to helmet hit and in realtime its barely after he releases the ball.

by Michael White on Nov 18, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Dylan H
Matt Kemp will earn $10MM in 2012, $20MM in 2013, $21MM/yr from 2014-2015, and $21.5MM/yr from 2016-2019. $2MM signing bonus.
Of Kemp’s $10MM salary in 2012, $2MM will be deferred without interest.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 18, 2011 9:17 AM PST reply actions  

ha, called it. $12mil sucka

by G.Scott on Nov 18, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

He will get $10 million this year

by Eric Stephen on Nov 18, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Had to be a deferral in there somewhere – it wouldn’t be a true big Dodger contract without it.

by latenite on Nov 18, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Manny Ramirez's

8 year deal with Boston deferred 2M per season, he just started getting those payments this year

by bhsportsguy on Nov 18, 2011 9:28 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

8 mil for Kemp this year is a BARGAIN.

by silverwidow on Nov 18, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

$2MM signing bonus would count for this year, right?

by Michael White on Nov 18, 2011 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I for one

am finding the Tebow experiment fascinating

I still think it all ends badly, but admire and enjoy the ride he is on

by Hollywood Joe on Nov 18, 2011 9:29 AM PST reply actions  

I much prefer Cam Newton and am jealous of the guy who has him in my league.

by silverwidow on Nov 18, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Obviously. Tebow will fail. Newton is a pro quarterback.

by Michael White on Nov 18, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Newton is slowing down though. Rookie wall..

by uschris0304 on Nov 18, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

but he can do everything Tebow can on the ground

and is literally years ahead of him when it comes to passing.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I cant wait til someone drills Tebow like Rey Maualuga drilled that UCLA QB a few years ago… Thats all I will mention from that game.

by uschris0304 on Nov 18, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Honestly

Tebow is such a Hoss that he will probably shake it off. Dude is big.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

He is a monster. Once the QB experiment fails, he could play tight end in this league for 10 years.

by Michael White on Nov 18, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

He can do what James Casey has done while healthy this year

play HB, and motion out to TE when the play call for it. Causes havok.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Is that Mike White or Mark Schlereth?

by keithc13 on Nov 18, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I wish more of these running QBs in college swallowed their pride and switched positions in the NFL (I know many do.) I thought Eric Crouch could be a solid running back in the NFL.

by Michael White on Nov 18, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought Matt Jones would be a good NFL receiver too. But he likes cocaine and hates practice.

Shouldve been a SF

by keithc13 on Nov 18, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

He was pretty good

but yeah, cocaine really derailed his career.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

That and having absolutely no desire to get hit or work hard.

His cocaine deal was a 1 time thing according to those who know him around here.

I was just dropping it in for dramatic effect.

When you are 6-6 and 235 and run a 4.3 you should be able to find a roster spot in the NFL

by keithc13 on Nov 18, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I was thinking it was twice

because he screwed up his probation stemming from the cocaine charges.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

He drank a beer at a charity golf tournament.

by keithc13 on Nov 18, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

allegedly

And sheffield took the Cream on accident

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

you give me those tools and I would be a happy man

hell, I’d love to be that big just for negotiating leverage in corporate america, size counts

by Hollywood Joe on Nov 18, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

you mean a direct helmet to helmet hit that was completely illegal? Where Cowan still got up? Cowan was one tough ass mofo.

by UCLADodger32 on Nov 18, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Is that the game UCLA won?

by Michael White on Nov 18, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

yep, UCLA won, but I feel no pain… Infact, looking back now, im fully convinced USC tanked on purpose because they knew they’d get sanctioned and they just wanted Dorrell to have something to feel good about.

by uschris0304 on Nov 18, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

and ………

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 18, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I do not beleive you are convinced of that

by Michael White on Nov 18, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Let him elaborate

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 18, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

haha ofcourse im not man… sanctions didnt happen til like what? 2 years later? Had we had this convo years ago id be in pain… sanctions took away all the pain. Took away the BCS trophy too, but also the pain.

by uschris0304 on Nov 18, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Eric

McNeal Int.

I kidded now Titan CB about dropping a pick 6 earlier in that game, he just shook his head and said yep.

by bhsportsguy on Nov 18, 2011 9:38 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

who cares if it was illegal, shit we hit people so hard they grandma dies.

by uschris0304 on Nov 18, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Or they just get up and win the game, like Cowan did.

And I’m sure the dude who got his helmet smashed into by another guy’s helmet cares.

by UCLADodger32 on Nov 18, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I actually thought SW’s question a few weeks ago was a pretty good conversation starter. Better pro career, Newton or Luck?

Before the season i would have said no brainer for Luck, but now we know Newton can actually play in the NFL while Luck is still a prospect.

by Michael White on Nov 18, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Yup. Newton just intrigues the hell out of me. But, Luck is crazy athletic himself, but more in the Aaron Rodgers mode, where he wont be running for 60 yards a game, but he can extend plays and drives with his feet. Both are dynamos.

by UCLADodger32 on Nov 18, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

The only thing that irritates me is that Denver’s defense is the reason why they are winning, and they just get a little mention. The Broncos had 5 possessions start in Jets territory and ended up with 3 points. They Broncos had 8 3 and outs, but they were still in the game because of their defense. The drive was so Tebow-like, but just like the other games, he doesnt get that chance if not for his defense completely shutting down the opponent.

by UCLADodger32 on Nov 18, 2011 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I gave them all the love last night

all of it. The D scored 7 points and held the jets to 13 even though the offense was barely moving the ball at all. Bravo I say. BRAVO.

Also, if Tebow has 4:50 minutes on the clock instead of 6, I don’t think he can complete that drive.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

If Denver's defense was as bad as it was last year

none of this would be happening. The Broncos would be too far behind in the 4th quarter for Tebow to do anything.

by latenite on Nov 18, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think even Vince Young was this horrible, stats wise

It’s amusing to see them continuing to win. I’d love to see them win about 10.

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by Ivdown on Nov 18, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Tebow is better then vince young

because he isn’t a bitch

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

So Tebow won another game with another drive at the end of the game?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 18, 2011 9:37 AM PST reply actions  

ha ha, that must be driving folks bonkers.

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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 18, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I just want the record straight

I was rooting for him all the way. We’ll see how the 3 option does for the rest of the season, the jets are a really good D

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by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

Im just baiting here….

by keithc13 on Nov 18, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

go away

baitin

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by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

This always gets a rec from me

Not, Sure

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by Ivdown on Nov 18, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

he has an advantage

that offense is so different than any other in the league – defensive personnel and schemes are not built for stopping this offense

and I think it works best in the 4th quarter because it relies on a worn down and tired defense

but I just can’t see it working for long, but works much better than I would have ever guessed, so what in the fuck do I know anyway

by Hollywood Joe on Nov 18, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

hell yeah its drinking me bonkers, I hate when people that shouldnt win, win. Fuck underdogs!

by uschris0304 on Nov 18, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

if you ignore him scoring 3 points in the 55 minutes before

yes he “won” that game

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by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

It was a hell of a fun 5 minutes though

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by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes – did very little in the game until a final 95 yard drive where he both ran and threw well for the winning touchdown.

by latenite on Nov 18, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

he threw

and he was successful, but they where not good throws :-p

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by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess I meant “threw well” in the sense that they were catchable, not in the pinpoint accuracy sense of Brady or Rodgers!

by latenite on Nov 18, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

threw well?

He doesn’t get picked off because his accuracy is Looney Tunes bad

by Hollywood Joe on Nov 18, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

and still ended up with an above average fantasy day. amazing.

by UCLADodger32 on Nov 18, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I had a question I'd like some feedback on

Clearly the Dodgers started out the first four months of the season really bad. The following two months cleared them into an over .500 team. The fact that Dee, Sands, Loney, Rivera, Lilly, Jansen, all did so much better the last 2 or 3 months than the first 3 or 4 should help take away from the idea that the team was really bad, or at least in my mind it does. Matt Kemp and Clayton Kershaw don’t even need to be mentioned as far as success at this point.

So my question is, even finishing over .500, is the assumption that this 2011 Dodger team was just a bad team overall?

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by Ivdown on Nov 18, 2011 9:40 AM PST reply actions  

No

it was not a bad team, it was a flawed team

had some age problems, some injury problems, and some crazily bad bullpen problems early

probably finished where they deserved, but not a bad team at all

by Hollywood Joe on Nov 18, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

That makes a lot of sense

I don’t think of them as a particularly good team, but around average? Most definitely.

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by Ivdown on Nov 18, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

You should get a variety of answers. The 2011 team was average with some high peaks, some low valleys, some great performances all year long, some great performances for two months at a time, some putrid performances for four months at a time, some putrid performances for all six months, some average performances for a full year, some shockingly good performances from players no one expected to be on the roster, some sub par performances from players we expected more from.

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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 18, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

There was definitely a variety of different play throughout the season

Miles being 2009 May Juan Pierre-like in June, and doing nearly nothing after that. Ethier with his 30 game hitting streak early on, them not much after that. The void in LF as Hee came he seop’d he choi’d mentioned was a huge reason why this team wasn’t good for a long time as well. Rivera really helped right that ship.

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by Ivdown on Nov 18, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Tim Tebow in CFB

Did he have a better spiral and accuracy in college? Is it his attempt to make his throwing motion shorter and more NFL friendly thats caused some of his issues?

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by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:44 AM PST reply actions  

He threw a good ball in college. But the long motion and better players made the change in motion necessary.

But to answer your question, yes, he threw the ball well in college.

by keithc13 on Nov 18, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

and his motion is still... longish

thanks

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by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes.

Not as bad though…..In college it took foreva

by keithc13 on Nov 18, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

hell yes, longish

especially on the run….drops his hand like he is picking the ball off the ground before he winds up and flings it in the general direction of the WR

by Hollywood Joe on Nov 18, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

its gonna be a problem eventualloy

if they ever let him throw more. I’m sure he is still working on it though, maybe he can figure it out.

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by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

and his feet – fuck man, I cannot even watch his feet

by Hollywood Joe on Nov 18, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Has anyone been

to the downtown rooftop bar, The Standard? It’s way not my scene, total LA hip, but you are on the roof of an old hotel, so that’s a plus

by Josie Becker on Nov 18, 2011 9:45 AM PST reply actions  

I have been there a few times – I enjoy being elevated and outside when I drink

I didn’t mind it

by Hollywood Joe on Nov 18, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

whats wrong with being in the hip crowd?

by uschris0304 on Nov 18, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Nothing

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 18, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

thank you

this place is filled with attractive and successful people having a good time….it sucks!

by Hollywood Joe on Nov 18, 2011 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

and I’m neither attractive nor successful, thus it’s not my scene. I said nothing other than that.

by Josie Becker on Nov 18, 2011 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

It was kinda cool though, they had all us media types over by the pool area

by Josie Becker on Nov 18, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s where Joe Namath guaranteed Super Bowl III. Not specifically that hotel, but hobnobbing with the media at some hotel before that Super Bowl.

by Eric Stephen on Nov 18, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

always good to keep you away from general population

Seriously, advice that I give many people in their 20’s that no one gave me and it took me a while to figure out. Go places where you feel a bit uncomfortable, make yourself confident enough in yourself to deal with that feeling, and you will find opportunities that don’t exist in the places you are already comfortable

by Hollywood Joe on Nov 18, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

go early if you can

you can take advantage of the scenery and not wait in a line full of assholes

by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 18, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

by definition

any line that I have to wait in, is a line full of assholes

by Hollywood Joe on Nov 18, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I couldn’t be happier about the Kemp extension. Kemp & Piazza are neck and neck as my all time favorite players….the fact Piazza was never signed long term makes me enjoy Kemp’s extension that much more!

"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"

by VeroJoe on Nov 18, 2011 9:52 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I'm curious

I wasn’t around for last years vote when sands came in 1st. You think he did or will meet expectations?

"Next year, we're definitely going to make the playoffs."
-MVP

by funkyjam on Nov 18, 2011 9:58 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Well the end of the year was what we had hoped for

hopefully he can continue that momentum

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by nolander on Nov 18, 2011 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Good answer

"Next year, we're definitely going to make the playoffs."
-MVP

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2012 Dodgers Payroll

Italics denote estimates
Pos No Player 2012 Salary
C 17 Ellis $500,000 team control
1B 7 Loney $6,375,000
2B 14 Ellis $2,500,000
3B 5 Uribe $8,000,000
SS 9 Gordon $485,000 team control
LF 21 Rivera $4,000,000
CF 27 Kemp $10,000,000
RF 16 Ethier $10,950,000

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SP 58 Billingsley $9,000,000
SP 29 Lilly $12,000,000
SP 35 Capuano $3,000,000
SP 44
Harang $3,000,000

CL 54 Guerra $485,000 team control
RHP 74
Jansen $500,000 team control
RHP 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
RHP 60 Coffey $1,000,000
RHP 66 MacDougal $650,000
LHP 57 Elbert $485,000 team control
RHP 36
Hawksworth $500,000 team control

TJ 41 De La Rosa $485,000 team control



Manny $8,087,432 deferred


Andruw $3,375,000 deferred


Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
Furcal $3,000,000 deferred
Kuroda $2,000,000 deferred
Garland $1,500,000 option buyout
Blake $1,250,000 option buyout

Totals
$112,162,432

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Players on 40-man roster used as roster
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Current 40-man roster count: 40
(not including Belisario)

2012 Non-Roster Invitees

No Player Age*
63 Jose Ascanio rhp
27
61 Alberto Castillo lhp
36
56 Matt Chico lhp
29
33 John Grabow lhp
33
59 Angel Guzman rhp
30
47 Wil Ledezma lhp
31
72 Shane Lindsay rhp
27
62 Fernando Nieve rhp 29
73 Scott Rice lhp 30
70 Will Savage rhp
27
71 Ryan Tucker rhp
25
28 Jamey Wright rhp
37

30 Josh Bard c 34
82 Griff Erickson c 24
81 Matt Wallachc 26
67 Jeff Baisley 3b/1b 29
65 Luis Cruz ss/2b 28
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46 Russ Mitchell 3b/1b 27
64 Lance Zawadzki if 27
56 Cory Sullivan of 32

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