2012 TBLA #5 Dodger Prospect Discussion
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 8:07 AM PST
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PrintGarrett Gould won the TBLA #4 prospect vote by a healthy margin, and with his victory this means that the community's top four prospects are all young right-handed pitchers. That's great news for the future of the Dodger rotation, but not so good from an offensive standpoint. Getting back to Gould, it will be interesting to see where he plays in 2012. His most likely destination is the California League, and if that is the case then hopefully he'll be able to continue his success in the hitter friendly environment.
I'm adding a bunch of names to the group of eligible candidates this time around, and will continue to do so in the upcoming votes. If you don't see the player you want to vote for in this list, let me know in the comments and I'll include him in the near future. Finally, please note that we will not be holding a vote tomorrow due to the impending NL MVP announcement, so we'll pick back up on Wednesday.
Please hold prospect discussions here, and vote in this fanpost.
Here are the candidates for the Dodgers #5 prospect:
Chris Reed - LHP (21.5 years old) - This year's 1st round pick only threw 7 innings in his professional debut, but as the Stanford closer Reed had a 2.56 ERA in 2011 and struck out a batter per inning. The Dodgers plan to use him as a starter, and he figures to move quickly through the system. The lefty can touch 96 mph and has 3 quality pitches (fastball, power slider, and an above-average changeup)
Joc Pederson - OF (19.5 years old) - Pederson's name was scattered all over the Pioneer League Leaderboard after a big offensive season that saw him hit .353 with 11 homers, 24 SB's, and a .997 OPS. As I mentioned last year he has 5-tool potential, although none of his 5 tools seem to have a particularly high ceiling. Scouts don't think he'll be able to handle center field in the big leagues, but believe he can play either corner outfield spot.
Chris Withrow - RHP (22.5 years old) - Withrow had a quiet, yet solid campaign in 2011 as he posted a 4.20 ERA in AA to go along with a 3.86 FIP and a 9.1 K/9. He continues to struggle with control, but is armed with a hard fastball, a very good curveball, and a changeup that Baseball America calls fringy. He's still in the rotation for now, although there have been talks that he could move to the bullpen if he can't improve his walk rate.
James Baldwin - OF (20 years old) - Baldwin started the 2011 season on fire, and while he cooled down as the year progressed he still finished with 10 homers, 22 stolen bases, and a .828 OPS. Many people call him the most exciting prospect since Matt Kemp, although Baldwin struggles with strikeouts much more than Kemp did. He should have no trouble handling center field as he moves up through the minors.
Javy Guerra - RHP (26 years old) - While he won't qualify as a rookie next season, he didn't quite reach the 50 IP mark in the big leagues so will still be considered a prospect in this vote. I probably don't need to provide and color here since he spent most of the 2011 season with the Dodgers, so everyone should be very familiar with him by now.
Jonathan Garcia - OF (20 years old) - Garcia got off to a hot start in 2011 and showed good power throughout the season with 19 homers, but he ended the year in a major slump and hit just .228 for the season. He was one of the youngest players in the Midwest League, however, and has plenty of time to improve and mature. On defense Garcia has a strong arm and should be able to handle right field as he moves up through the system.
Alfredo Silverio - OF (24.5 years old) - Signed way back in 2003, Silverio finally figured out how to make good use of the athleticism that scouts have seen in him for years. This past season the outfielder led the Southern League in total bases, and hit .306 with 16 homers and a .883 OPS. He also showed good speed with a minor league high 18 triples, but was caught in 12 of his 23 SB attempts. While he spent most of the 2011 in center field, it remains to be seen if he'll be able to handle that position at the big league level.
Shawn Tolleson - RHP (23.75 years old) - Tolleson flew through the minor leagues in 2011, advancing from LoA to AA and dominating everywhere he went. His combined stats were ridiculous as he had a 1.17 ERA, a 1.01 WHIP, a 1.59 FIP, and a 13.7 K/9 over 69 innings. His cutter is by far his best pitch, which by most accounts is nearly unhittable for lower level minor leaguers. He also mixes in a solid fastball, which apparently hit 97 mph last season on a good night, and a slider.
Angel Sanchez - RHP (22 years old) - Sanchez literally came out of nowhere in 2011 and had a very good season for the Great Lakes Loons. Signed out of the Dominican Republic, he jumped straight to the Midwest League and had a 2.82 ERA, a 3.46 FIP, a 7.6 K/9, and a .198 batting average against. He throws a hard fastball that can reach 97 mph, and he also has a curveball and changeup.
Angelo Songco - 1B (23 years old) - Songco had a monster season for the Quakes in 2011, leading the California League in doubles and total bases while hitting .313 with 29 homers and 114 RBI's. He's always had a ton of raw power, and it finally showed this past year. He made the switch from left field to 1st base during the season, but overall doesn't have much defensive value so he's going to have to continue to hit as he moves up through the system.
As always, please use this post as the discussion thread, and cast your actual vote in this Fanpost.
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I like Pederson here
Like some of the other guys we’ve voted in, he’s been blessed by scouts (a pretty good signing bonus) and if I recall correctly he’s got good blood lines.
Otherwise I’d probably vote Withrow because he’s shown spurts (even if it’s been a few years now) where he can put it all together. A former first round pick, I still hope he can because a starting pitcher at the big league level. If/when that’s finally ruled out, all hope is lost of his prospect status (IMO.)
keep jumping off the Withrow train only to find myself running after the train later trying to get back on. This should be the year he s it all together. The timig works from when ty changed his mechanics, the signs are there statistically, but then I see him actually pitch and I don’t see the actual progress. I just kind of shrug and say “we’ll see” with him.
exactly what im thinking as far as this is the year
He is a hard throwing pitcher with an awesome curve ball. If he can get a decent 3rd pitch he will put up some good numbers. His control is an issue, but he’s still young enough to harness it.
2012 will be the year of Chris Withrow!
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Unfortunately, I don’t think Withrow can locate anything.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
He’s a future Pascual Perez!
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Hopefully with one good Padre brawl in him.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
Me, I'm torn between Reed and one of the hitters, just to mix it up a bit.
I like Songco but 5th prospect is probably pushing it. Baldwin or Garcia or Pederson all have high intrigue too. Guerra’s already “done it.” Tough one here…
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I went with Reed
because G.Scott sent me an email promising to pay me $10 to do so. From the looks of it, I wasn’t the only one who got that email. :)
How hard is it to fake your age?
I know the joke has been for years that Albert Pujols is older than he really is, but I always just sort of assumed it was a joke and nothing more than that. Then there is this from Dan Lebatard today in the Miami Herald:
The total dollars are in dispute, depending on whom you believe, but the number of years offered is not. Nine years. That’s insanity, especially since, like a lot of teams, the Marlins believe Pujols to be older than the 31 he claims to be. It doesn’t matter if the offer is $190 million or $225 million, it is still a breathtaking move for this group, which hates long-term contracts and prefers to work the system with young, cheap talent. The Marlins, given their history and reputation, given how they’ve always preferred to do business, are actually the least likely team in the sport to offer a player that age that many years. Keep in mind, the Marlins told popular Dan Uggla they wouldn’t ever give a player older than 30 a contract of more than four years. And now they’re offering nine to Pujols, whose age they don’t even know.
I get it if Pujols came from the Dominican as a teen (or just older), falsified some documents, said he was younger, then moved on. And I know he has lived in the U.S. for quite some time. But hasn’t he left the country at various times since then? Wouldn’t there have been some time at some point in the last decade or so when any sort of age issue would have been cleared up through documentation?
Or is it really as easy to fake your age as Russ in Vegas Vacation, holding up the giant drivers license to take a photo?
Probably the New York Times, given that description.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
Naw
He would have written “D.R.” if that were the case.
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You mentioned Jay Schroeder in the last thread. He will be working on the pre- and postgame coverage of USC/UCLA for Prime Ticket on Saturday night.
I don’t remember who said it but one of the Raiders after their 51-3 loss to Buffalo in the AFC Championship Game said if they could have thrown Schroeder out of the plane on the ride home they would have.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
The only good thing Schroeder ever did was so badly underthrow a ball that Jeff “Stone Hands” Fischer could deflect farther downfield so Freeman McNeil could catch it.
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I find the claims to be bs
He came here early in high school or a bit before I believe and went to a community college. He wasn’t highly sought after, and people didn’t think he had a position because of his size (can anyone be too big for 1b, or does no one want to draft someone who will HAVE to play 1b?).
I think you’re right as well, something like this can’t hide forever, and if he’s been so high profile for a decade or more, it would have come out by now.
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He was a shortstop and some scouts thought he might have to switch to catcher.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
I guess I may be in the minority
but in the next few few rounds I’d definitely like to see Griff on the list of guys to vote for. I have high hopes for him, and he may be one of our 3 best offensive prospects.
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Being one of the Dodgers’ three best offensive prospects is akin to being one of the three best gloves in Edgar Martinez’s baseball bag.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 8:35 AM PST up reply actions
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good question.
i might want to vote for him very soon.
he'll get added soon
as will lindblom
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
How are people feeling about Withrow's future
I’m feeling a big year for him. Majors by July or August, maybe sooner. I think he forces his way into the 5th spot of the rotation, at least for a trial run.
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The Greg Halman news is shocking.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
What sort of privacy is it to refuse to give the name, but reveal that the suspect in custody is the victim’s 22-year-old brother?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Shouldn't Josh Lindblom be on the list now, or pretty darn soon?
Sure, he’s probably never going to be a starter, but he’s already reached the floor that some of these pitchers never will.
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If Tolleson, Lindblom or Guerra is our number 5 prospect, we fucked.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
Why? I would say it is a virtual certainty that one of those three will have one of the five best careers of everyone in the system.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
They are all fungible relievers who can be replaced by trading a guy you’re going to non-tender anyway (Hawk) or by signing as an NRI (McDougal.)
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
Because building a major-league bullpen is easy. Teams with good bullpens always know their bullpen is good at the beginning of spring training and vice versa.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Relievers are simply not that valuable. I’ll rank a guy with the the potential to be a starter or position player over a reliever (with the exception of top end closer projection) every time. Javy Guerra may never have a better year than he had last year and he was a 2 WAR player.
I’’m not saying these guys are useless and I’m not saying they should be cut. But for ranking prospects, I’d prefer the higher ceiling player at a more impact position.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
If a guy has a high probability of being a useful, albeit fungible reliever, that still has value. Javy Guerra and Josh Lindblom have value because you know they will be in the mix of the top 10 relievers that you will use in 2012.
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Tolleson is likely in this group too. I see him getting some use in 2012. The tricky part is getting a GM to realize the value in these arms and pay Guerrier $4M.
It’s amazing how quickly we can become arrogant about a bullpen. At the beginning of even this season, our pen featured Lolances and Troncosos. You simply don’t know what you’re going to get out of most relievers. Paying the closest things to “sure things” is not an unreasonable move at all.
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If Tolleson and Guerra are on the ballot now, Lindblom should be. And I’m not voting any of them #5.
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yeah i didn't want to have more than 10 options so i had to cut it off somewhere
but lindblom will be there soon
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
Shaikin tweet:
Court cancels Tue hearing on if #Dodgers can sell TV rights. Fox asked to delay that issue past 11/30. Looks as if issue will be heard 11/30
I got to meet Withrow and his family…great Guy. I really hope he does it up in 2012. Odessa boy with electric stuff. With that being said I vote Tolleson, Reed Then Withrow as far as our pitching prospects go.
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by VeroJoe on Nov 21, 2011 9:12 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I think people around here desperately want to vote in a hitter
But I don’t see how it can’t be Withrow.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Nov 21, 2011 9:17 AM PST reply actions
The silver lining
is that 2 hitting prospects lost eligibility by hitting and fielding well in the majors in 2011. Too bad it seems like Sands isn’t getting much of a shot for anything in 2012 except back up duty.
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A third one was lost by being traded.
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Good point
even though i’m guessing 95% percent of the people here lost faith in his bat after his MLB call up with Seattle.
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He’s Delwyn Young with a little more pop and a glove that might actually play.
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Potential to be someone as or more valuable than TGJ
and I think that’s his floor.
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His floor is Xavier Paul.
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
In 3054 Minor League PA, XP has 70 HR
In 2791 Minor League PA, TR has 64 HR
That’s pretty similar.
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Even though it was on the moon
Trayvon had a big home run year, Paul never did that, even in AAA. I admit they are similar players, though I still believe Trayvon is a step up.
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Before this year, X’s power numbers were actually better. It is probably just as likely that Tray’s power this year was a moon mirage than that he developed power all of a sudden. Just as relevant to me is the fact that his speed seemed to disappear.
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I see what you're saying
but i don’t care it’s the offseason I’m bored! :)
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Or
our most recent #1 pick, Reed.
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I like the momentum for Withrow
I voted for Pederson, but if it’s close between Withrow and Reed, I would have voted for Withrow over Reed
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
OT….what does everyone think of Matt Barkley? I am a Dolphins fan in dire need of a QB and we just won 3 in a row so A. Luck is out of the question. Would love feedback from my Cali props…and G. Scott had nothing for me :(
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by VeroJoe on Nov 21, 2011 9:27 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Has definitely improved in his time at USC. Will be a good pro IMO; perhaps not reaching the heights of pre-injury Carson Palmer but likely better than the rest of the recent Trojans QB in the NFL (which I realize isn’t saying much; just trying to compare).
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
Leinart still has a chance of redeeming the entire 2007 QB class
if he can’t do it now he never will
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this is a gary kubiak offense
if we aren’t winning or losing by 14 at the half, expect the pass to run ratio to be as close to 1:1 as humanly possible.
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I like him. 2012 is also gonna be a great draft year for teams wanting a QB
Deeper than last year, Luck and then Barkley in that order but some other really good QBs to come after them. Dolphins will get someone that’s for sure.
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Here’s the point where everyone has big question marks. Withrow with his control, Reed barely having pitched pro ball and coming off being a closer in college, Pederson still being in rookie ball…
Guess I’ll go with Withrow and hope he learns to throw strikes.
For me the big ? with Reed is not the lack of pro ball time, but the plan to convert him from college reliever to pro starter. Right now, I have to put weight with #16 overall and the opinions (actual and presumed) of the Dodger scouts.
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I wonder how many different players got first place votes for AL MVP. Gotta figure at least four (Ellsbury, Verlander, Bautista, Granderson in no particular order), plus maybe some others (Cabrera could get some but probably won’t).
Thought I saw a tweet that someone gave a 1st place vote to someone who was 7th on their team in WAR. I don’t know who that player is, but that should be determinable.
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If I had to throw a guess out there....
Michael Young?
He’s 9th on the Rangers in BR’s WAR, 8th on Fangraphs. Excellent guess.
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Verlander will get a couple
Bautista will get 5-7, Granderson about 7-9, Ellsbury will probably get the rest expect for 1 vote for Pedroia. I’d like to see Miggy get some, but I feel like he won’t.
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What a crazy week last week
championships are fun, I tell you what. Even if we are a fringe sport : )
How late were you there last night? Excellent coverage x2 by the way :)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
I couldn’t break records, but it’s fun the couple times a year soccer gets a lot of attention. I was there till eleven, for a game that ended at 8. Not too bad. Things got crazy though, cause like a throng of reporters left the press conference to cover the locker room, and the Galaxy wouldn’t let them in (there were just too many) a lot of the national guys were up in arms : )
by Josie Becker on Nov 21, 2011 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
I meant to ask you this, why not do a home/home aggregate sort of thing for the championship game?
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
If you have to change a double elimination tournament to have one definite final game to sell NCAA baseball to TV, I don’t see how a home/home aggregate gets done either.
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The public has no problem with best of 7 for baseball, hockey and basketball though. The format of CWS is dumb but I didn’t realize it was intentionally dumbed down for the public.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
they used to do three game series for MLS playoffs but still a one game championship. It’s not just American sentimentality, soccer tournaments worldwide usually don’t have aggregate championships. CONCACAF Champions League has one, but there’s something appealing to corporate partners and fans in the single one off championship.
Aggregate would be more fair as a competition, one of championship helps get bills paid and a sixteen year old league needs one more than the other
by Josie Becker on Nov 21, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
see I need your help for anything south of the equator
by Josie Becker on Nov 21, 2011 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
easier to pour money into one event than two, arranging hotels, flights, side events. Better for ratings when its one event so its an easier ad sale.
by Josie Becker on Nov 21, 2011 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
two lower rated soccer games =/= one higher rated soccer game
by Josie Becker on Nov 21, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
then why not make it
3,4,5,….INFINITE PLAYOFFS.
by court168627 on Nov 21, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
all I know is that game 2 of this years World Series and tv folk were panicking about ratings. It wasn’t until the elimination games that the ratings got above worst ever.
The risk there is what figures advertisers were promised. If the event fails to provide those ratings, you could end up giving refunds
by Josie Becker on Nov 21, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
everyone worries too much about these ratings. they are as mythical as a D1 college football champion.
exact both equate $. They may be mythical, but if people believe in them….
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
It used to drive me crazy. I remember hoping for an Orlando vs Houston NBA finals a few years ago just so people would bitch about ratings. It’s not like they are going to cancel the NBA if the ratings are low!
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
MLS is going from a neutral site championship to the best record hosting, and they admit just that is going to diminish some of the big event feel
by Josie Becker on Nov 21, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Seems like a bad move. Following a Super Bowl model doesn’t seem like a bad idea.
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Super Bowl model is great, but it’s not conducive to a great game day atmosphere, and MLS is selling its atmosphere real hard these days.
by Josie Becker on Nov 21, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
I may be the only person that feels this way, but I hate the Super Bowl (unless my team is in it than I’m a nervous wreck.)
I hate the parties. I hate the neutral site corporate feel. I hate the commercials.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
So over the commercials
they aren’t even that good but everyone is more damn interested them then the game! Hey that commercial was great lets rewind and rewatch it! NO YOU FUCKERS I’M WATCHING THE FUCKING GAME GO TO A COMMERCIAL WATCHING PARTY IF YOU WANT TO WATCH STUPID COMMERCIALS .
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I actually like the parties
minus the people who only watch because its what you are supposed to do.
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I tried to leave my wife’s office party in PV to go to your house. I was overruled.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Mrs HJ wisely avoids all Superbowl party invites
She knows I will hate and mock and be an ass to anyone who
A) talks about the game and says something stupid
B) Says that the superbowl is never a good game
C) talks about the game and says something smart, yet against the team I am rooting for
D) shows any interest in the commercials and/or halftime show
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
That’s the thing. We are all sports snobs, so watching the Super Bowl with a bunch of casual fans makes us crazy.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
yes
I enjoy watching sports with someone else if large amounts of silence between us are part of the experience
I don’t like constant chatter
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
You wouldn't like the party I go to
Unless the Bears are in the game, it’s commercial and halftime critiques. Regardless of who’s in the game, I only pay cursory attention
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I wouldn’t be invited back
but I would bring a tasty dish
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
the commercials really aren't even that funny
everyone just has it in their heads that all super bowl commercials are hilarious. they’re still just commercials…
by eitherethier on Nov 21, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
sheep
fucking sheep
I am a wolf
ymmmmmmmm
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
I love watching both the Super Bowl game itself AND the commercials.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
I like the commercials as long as they remain a side dish
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If I am tivoing (as I will) during the game. The the commercials will be sped through to catch up with the game
I don’t like the “Hey, wait, I wanna see that commercial” when I am moving forward through the halftime commercials on 4X to get caught up
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
The Super Bowl is meant to be seen live.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly!!! Who fucking Tivos the super bowl??? I’d rather read about it the next day in the paper than go to somebody’s house is either:
Rewinding at any point, or
Fastforwarding at any point.
What happened to just watching the Super Bowl?
by lnickerson88 on Nov 21, 2011 10:50 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I like to replay plays to understand why something happened at the line of scrimmage
usually the network picks different kinds of replays to show
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
When the Texans make the super bowl
its going to be a hard choice, watch the game all alone at home or go to my normal party with friends? Hm.
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If the Chiefs ever made the Super Bowl, I think I’d have to watch it alone.
My dad is a huge Rams fan and the only time he hasn’t had a Super Bowl party or attended one at someone else’s house in the last 15 years are both times the Rams played.
Definitely alone. Keeps you from stabbing one of your friends who starts trolling you after an interception in a close game.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
I saw two very close friends get in a fistfight over the Super Bowl last year. die hard Steelers fan vs. die hard troller.
by eitherethier on Nov 21, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
If I ever punch someone over sports
I would be very sad with myself
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YES x 1000
it could happen, but it would be my lowest moment
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
me too
although I definitely could have punched someone after Rollins hit that game winning double off Broxton in the 2009 nlcs
by eitherethier on Nov 21, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
I was in Philly, PHILLY
and still I struck no man
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
wow
how was the walk back to your car? I can’t even imagine…
by eitherethier on Nov 21, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
however, that poor kitten….
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
I honestly just don't see the appeal
I’ll watch some of them, but I’m not gonna be skipping parts of the game so I can see every last commercial. I think people make them a bigger deal than they are
by eitherethier on Nov 21, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
I am always aware
that the commercials are not there to entertain me, they are there to make me buy shit
fuck them
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
I really like it when a commercial entertains me, but I can’t remember what fucking product it was for. All that money, yet ineffective.
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
You are not the only person that feels this way.
So this is what it feels like when doves cry.
by court168627 on Nov 21, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
Once upon a time, the CWS was a pure double-elimination tournament, which is how I learned how one worked.
Best of 7 is still based on winning games though, not cumulative runs/goals/points scored.
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Are you thinking of Little League?
CWS goes all the way through double elimination in the regionals, but it becomes best of 3 for the final 2 teams in Omaha.
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I will say, I do like the “regionals” round of the college world series. Though that’s the qualifying for the CWS not the actual event.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
they should do this for the 2 Wild Card teams in baseball
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I don’t think you’re looking for fair with Wild Cards. It’s the “you’re lucky to be here” angle.
by Josie Becker on Nov 21, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
I don't even really know if agg is fair in baseball
but it would be interesting
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Completely changes the strategy of the game if you try aggregate.
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I am happy for you
For a fan, a championship season is pretty ultimate. I’m glad you got to enjoy it.
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Did we win?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Leinert fooled me pretty bad.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
by VeroJoe on Nov 21, 2011 9:40 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Do we really know that he is who he will be?
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
nope
like I said if he can’t succeed now he never will. He has hopefullly been humbled by his experience in AZ, and had time to grow a bit, and been around a great offensive staff with a history of putting QBs in a great position to succeed. And he gets to throw to Andre Johnson. Its now or never.
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he was the O coordinator in denver running a great offense
he turned the Texans offense from shit to great. We have had one of the best offenses in the NFL for the last several years. What else am I supposed to rate him on?
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Winning ofcourse, its all about winning… yeah he is a good offensive mind, but sometimes IMO you make him sound like a God… Only difference is Gods win.
If you are trying to figure out if a coach can make a QB good, isn’t just what he does on offense the only thing that matters?
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
as an O coordinator I think he ranks with the best in the business
as a head coach he is very very flawed, but over the last 6 years he has improved on some things.
a) We arguably had the 2 worst D coordinators in football over a 5 year span. thats on him.
b) He almost never wins challenges. He is bad at it.
c) Time manegment, he is getting better but we still kinda suck at the 2 minute drill sometimes,but much better then before.
Finally hiring a proven D coordinator is what has helped this team get to new heights.
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well, maybe also drafting some legit players on D helped too right?
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
that would be nice.
is it me or does Williams seem to exclusively go after players with “names”?
I’m pretty sure splitting the infinitive does not require a follow-up fix here.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
sorry.
it’s officially shifted to “pet peeve” since i started graded undergraduate papers.
by court168627 on Nov 21, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
One of the most amusing e-mails I ever read was one on grammar rules. Things like:
Be sure to never split infinitives.
and
A preposition is something you shouldn’t end a sentence with.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I was actually just debating the preposition rule with a colleague. I actually don’t have a problem with it.
by court168627 on Nov 21, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
The splitting infinitives rule comes from Latin. Of course a Latin infinitive is one word, so it can’t be split.
I think both rules are equally pedantic. Sometimes splitting an infinitive allows a thought to flow nicely. Not in that case though.
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Hey Brandon, what was the final tally on the #4 vote?
Just curious.
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i forget exactly
but I believe it was something like Gould 27, Reed 13, Pederson 5 and withrow 5. tolleson also got a few votes even though he wasn’t on the ballot
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
Speaking of soccer…
I went to the University of New Mexico’s game against Duke last night in the NCAA tournament second round. Even though UNM was undefeated, they got a 10-seed in the tournament, and this turns out to be the only tournament game they get to host.
Anyway, there were more than 6,000 people there, plus another couple of hundred lining the fence outside to watch the game (there are only stands on one side of the field). And, man, it was LOUD.
UNM ended up tying the game with 15 minutes to go then winning with a minute to go in the first OT. Nothing like sudden death.
My dad, my brother, three of my friends and I stood behind the goal that UNM scored both goals on. Insanity.
my roommates went
I had a shit load of psychology _
by eitherethier on Nov 21, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
If we are going to add another Wild Card
lets make it an agg
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Each team plays 1 home game
and you add up the scores from the 2 game and the team that scored the most overall wins
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add up the scores from the 2 game
Get out
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
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yeah, see thats just wack. If MLS wants to get americans into soccer, they need to format it american style. We prefer best of series, or 1 game winner takes all… that soccer style is wack IMO. But hey, I guess MLS is growing, and Galaxy won so fug it
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Plus in MLS, the way they seed, you can get Eastern teams playing for the Western Conference Championship?? yeah that needs to be fixed too IMO.
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
they’re doing away with that next year. The idea was that a fifth place team in the East who’s ten points behind a sixth place west team didn’t deserve their spot.
by Josie Becker on Nov 21, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
It’s funny, because for the past decade you’ve basically had the same complaints about the NBA. MLS actually takes the step to fix that, and people complain the other way.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
I dont complain about the NBA, it is what it is. Nothing can ever be perfect, and for me, I like ways that allow teams to make playoffs, even if they dont deserve it, because it might be my team making it in that way. Like Dodgers winning West with a crappy record, or Raiders winning the AFC West at 8-8.
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
They fixed that next year.
And MLS is moving towards being more like international soccer than being uniquely American. They tried to “Americanize” it back in the beginning (official clock on the scoreboards, MLS shootout, etc) but since they moved towards being closer to the rules that everyone else in the world plays with it has grown more.
I disagree. I think MLS should stay within a soccer niche as an attractive alternative. No divisions, just one big table like in Europe.
The only difference should be that there’s no relegation in US.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
and no regulation either
the wild wild west of soccer
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
I can only imagine what the sports landscape in America would look like if we had embraced the relegation system 100 years ago like Europe did with soccer.
The reason I don’t like relegation is because it leads to superteams and it weakens rivalries. I enjoy parity.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
No way man, has to be playoffs…. I couldnt even imagine NFL, NBA, MLB etc with no playoffs.
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
That’s the point, you don’t have to imagine those leagues without playoffs.
Why can’t there be a different system for different sports? MLS, table. Mainstream professinal sports, playoffs. College football, bowls.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
There should be playoffs in that too, but money talks. Maybe one day.
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
Who doesnt want one? I’d say alot of people want it. Some dont, some do.
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but thats because of greed, and the money involved in the BCS. Alot of coaches, players, and fans want it. But obviously the people in charge dont, and thats unfortunate
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Where does that money come from? Oh yeah, all the people that go to and watch all the bowl games.
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
It made sense at the time, Big Bowls didn’t want a championship game to take away from their livelihood, but I think they got tired of having their teams selected for them
by Josie Becker on Nov 21, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
I think the proposed new arrangement makes a ton of sense.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
I mean, I dont know, its tough. I do enjoy the playoff like atmosphere every week, where every regular season game is like a playoff game. But I also hate how the BCS has ruined the feel of Bowl games IMO. For example, as an SC fan, getting into the Rose Bowl was awesome. But now, if its not the title game, its almost like a let down to be in it.
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Plus I just feel bad for teams, basically you lose 1 game and you may not get a title shot. You lose 2 games, your pretty much done, and 10-2 is such a great record. But the BCS has made it where your dissapointed in going 11-1, or 10-2 because your so close to a title game, yet so far. Shit sometimes you can be undefeated and not get in. So I dont know, good and bad sides to it IMO. But I still rather have a playoffs.
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
wrong again
almost all colleges and the fans have no delusion of grandeur of winning the BCS Championship. For dozens of them 8 wins and a nice bowl game is realistic and mission accomplished.
I disagree im wrong. I dont see how you can say im wrong since its just an opinion anyways. I cant be the only fan that feels the way I do, so how are we wrong?
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
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by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
Some schools may be happy with that true, but not the big schools, not the ones who feel they have a championship contender. If your team has a really good shot to make the title game, but dont, anything less is a let down. You think Okla St fans are going to feel like they accomplished their mission??
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Well, no. But so? Do you think Texas Rangers fans feel like they accomplished their mission? Is the point to make every fanbase happy?
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
No way Texas fans can be happy. I’d bet everything Texas fans are still are still hurting right now about it, like it was yesterday. They should of won, yet lost, and thats the worst way to go down, that increases the healing time to atleast another month haha
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
they are happy but hurting
I’d rather the pain of a big game loss than not being in the big game
I was at Steelers v Packers, and it hurt, but I loved it too
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
They are not happy, at all. Making the WS twice and losing both leaves lifetime scares. Unless they come back and win it all this year, they are scared for life
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
I’m not scarred for life by the back to back WS losses by the ‘77-’78 Dodgers. Winning in ’81 helped, but that was three years later, not the next year.
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
I think Oklahoma State fans should be happy with a Fiesta Bowl birth because it means they won the Big 12 and beat Oklahoma, which isn’t a certainty at this point.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
mmmm, There will be a level of satisfaction for them if they beat OU, and win Fiesta Bowl, yet still a ton of dissapointment because if they beat OU, and dont get into title game, that one loss cost them a title shot, a game they should have won, but didnt, and thats going to hurt for awhile IMO.
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
and im not sure Okla St is this close to a BCS title, that often, so to finally be so close to it, has to hurt , atleast somewhat.
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Find me an SC fan that feels we accomplished our mission in 2006, 07, and 08…. We lost 2 in 06, 1 in 07, and 2 in 08.. all three years we won Pac 10 and won the Rose Bowl. If any SC fans felt mission accomplished with that, their fuckin crazy. All 3 years would have been great years pre BCS, but all 3 years were disspointing with BCS, because we didnt get in the BCS championship
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
“USC is the best team right now”
Did USC honks trademark that phrase yet?
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
well I dont care about little people schools that can only wish for winning 8 teams… I’m not talking about them
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
USC probably shouldn’t have lost to UCLA, Stanford, and Oregon State then. It’s on them.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Ya, of all the arguments against the BCS, it doesn’t make much sense to complain from a USC standpoint since that team is one of the few that truly controls its own destiny. USC is an elite program that will be seen favorably by voters. The one time they got screwed is the only tme there was a split national championship in the BCS era.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
right, but if their was playoffs, they could still have won a championship, WITH those losses. I just dont think a 10-2 team should have no shot to be champion. But even with playoffs, then you have the problems about how many teams? and even then some with complain, so, it is what it is. Like I said BCS isnt all bad, and BCS is what it is, so nothing anyone can do.
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
2 loss teams do have a shot at a championship. Florida won with 2 losses.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
I completely agree, but the Rose Bowl game will completely die if there is a playoff.
“Those past 100 years were fun, but let’s get us some Kansas State vs. Ohio State in Columbus for a playoff game!”
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Not at all.
On that point, I actually think Kansas State is better than we all thought.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
Having a MLS Cup is sweet. Just having a league where best record is the champion? Shit could be over 2 weeks before season ends, then what?
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Plus what I enjoy about playoffs is if a team suffers a key injury early on, but that player doesnt miss season, that team could still possbly make playoffs, and still have a shot to win it all, instead of being fucked.
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
meh.
i wouldnt any more or less opposed to the stupid one game “playoff” as it is.
Completely changes the strategy of the game. I hate it.
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
get the fuck off my lawn
I hate it so bad makes me wants to ride around on my made in the US bike and smash the side view mirrors of all the European cars in my neighborhood with a baseball bat
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
it’s the only way to have two game series’ and often these aggregate series are built around one weekend so three is just too much
by Josie Becker on Nov 21, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
If you really live in Hollywood
then that’s probably 90% of the cars.
by court168627 on Nov 21, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
be american
buy american
(or Japanese for my wife)
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
I drive a Buick and I think I’m literally the only person in my building that drives an American car (I live in West Hollywood).
by court168627 on Nov 21, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
be American.
buy American.
outsource to India. ;-)
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
How bout a team must win by two in the playoffs?
Think of the DRAMA! :)
/not really
by silverwidow on Nov 21, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Anyone watch the UFC fights on Saturday night?
Holy shit, that was insane. Glad Henderson pulled out the victory, but I was pretty nervous for the last two rounds.
feel like another ref would have stopped the fight after hendo dropped 1000 bombs on shogun..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 21, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
I did not and heard it was great. Do you think the last round should have been 10-8? How dominant should a round be for you to score it 10-8?
The Bellator main event was great on Saturday too, and I actually watched that one.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
If anything is a 10-8 round, that last round is a 10-8 round.
But judges just about NEVER give out 10-8 rounds. Ironically enough, two did earlier in the night in the Bonnar-Kingsbury fight. I could easily have seen that fight be a draw.
Oh, and Bellator put the entire Alvarez-Chandler fight up on YouTube.
Watched it this morning — great fight, but overshadowed by Hendo-Shogun.
You and reg are my big brothers when it comes to MMA. If I have a question, I wait and ask you guys.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
excellent fight
let’s see a rematch
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 21, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Delias man may have been right
I love me some Jonathan Joseph, Nmandi who?
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I figured out why delias man hates nmandi.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Yup, I had no idea he went to Narbonne
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Can't remember seeing this before
The Broncos at Vikings game December 4 has moved from CBS to Fox.
Normally CBS has all the road games of AFC teams (Fox has road games of NFC teams), but this fell under the flex scheduling plan. I thought that plan was only for the national broadcasts (Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, and Monday nights).
what I got when I read that was that Fox lost their only afternoon game due to Flex scheduling, and since they had the doubleheader CBS threw them a bone
by Josie Becker on Nov 21, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Yep that's exactly what happened. It's not really that exciting, but it is strange.
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CBS actually gave up the game because they have too much going on that weekend.
Originally, SNF was to show Colts-Patriots. Well, that game will likely suck, so NBC swapped it out with Lions-Saints.
That gave CBS an extra game, but one they just didn’t have room for. That is the same weekend as the SEC Championship game and the UK/North Carolina basketball game. Apparently they can handle 8 sporting events in a weekend, but not 9.
So instead of CBS showing the Bronocs-Vikings game at 3:05 that day, they gave it to FOX for a noon start. http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/…week13flex.pdf
Switching between the networks has apparently happened only twice, once in 1971 and once in 1972 (due to the World Series).
I think there is a base assumption
that people watch MNF no matter what. As far as I can tell this is actually true.
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by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Off the top of my head - superbowls classified by Not Good, Good, OK
I Green Bay 35, Kansas City 10 Not good
II Green Bay 33, Oakland 14 Not good
III New York Jets 16, Baltimore 7 Good
IV Kansas City 23, Minnesota 7 Not good
V Baltimore 16, Dallas 13 Good
VI Dallas 24, Miami 3 Not good
VII Miami 14, Washington 7 OK
VIII Miami 24, Minnesota 7 Dunno
IX Pittsburgh 16, Minnesota 6 OK
X Pittsburgh 21, Dallas 17 Good
XI Oakland 32, Minnesota 14 Not good
XII Dallas 27, Denver 10 OK
XIII Pittsburgh 35, Dallas 31 Good
XIV Pittsburgh 31, Los Angeles 19 Good
XV Oakland 27, Philadelphia 10 OK
XVI San Francisco 26, Cincinnati 21 Good
XVII Washington 27, Miami 17 OK
XVIII Los Angeles 38, Washington 9 Not good
XIX San Francisco 38, Miami 16 Not good
XX Chicago 46, New England 10 Not good
XXI New York Giants 39, Denver 20 Not good
XXII Washington 42, Denver 10 Not good
XXIII San Francisco 20, Cincinnati 16 Good
XXIV San Francisco 55, Denver 10 Not good
XXV New York Giants 20, Buffalo 19 Good
XXVI Washington 37, Buffalo 24 Not good
XXVII Dallas 52, Buffalo 17 Not good
XXVIII Dallas 30, Buffalo 13 Not good
XXIX San Francisco 49, San Diego 26 Not good
XXX Dallas 27, Pittsburgh 17 OK
XXXI Green Bay 35, New England 21 Not good
XXXII Denver 31, Green Bay 24 Good
XXXIII Denver 34, Atlanta 19 Not good
XXXIV St. Louis 23, Tennessee 16 Good
XXXV Baltimore 34, New York Giants 7 Not good
XXXVI New England 20, St. Louis 17 Good
XXXVII Tampa Bay 48, Oakland 21 Not good
XXXVIII New England 32, Carolina 29 Good
XXXIX New England 24, Philadelphia 21 Good
XL Pittsburgh 21, Seattle 10 Not good
XLI Indianapolis 29, Chicago 17 OK
XLII New York Giants 17, New England 14 Good
XLIII Pittsburgh Steelers 27, Arizona Cardinals 23 Good
XLIV New Orleans Saints 31, Indianapolis Colts 17 OK
XLV Green Bay Packers 31, Pittsburgh Steelers 25 Good
For Super Bowls like XXIX, you need a rating of GOOD LORD THAT WAS AWFUL. That’s the only one I remember turning off the game because it got boring.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I enjoyed watching the Chargers getting beaten to a pulp.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
I was a 49ers fan at that point, because I was a child in the 80s and Jerry Rice was amazing, but I remember watching it at my grandparents house, getting bored, and all of us walking over to Arbys. The point of the story is that Arbys is better than that super bowl : )
by Josie Becker on Nov 21, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
I was bitter for that whole super bowl because the Stan Humpries Chargers upset the Steelers in Pittsburgh in the AFC Championship game – came down to the last play
that was the best of the Greg Lloyd, Carnel Lake, Rod Woodson Steelers….I loved that defense
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Romey used to say Greg Lloyd could go to war with a cue ball and a sock.
by silverwidow on Nov 21, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
That was my first year of college and the Chargers started 6-0 that year and the local news would lead with Chargers stuff. By the end of the season I was tired of everything Chargers
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
What are you judging by?
I know you have no first-hand recollection of Super Bowls I – V or VI or so. IV was fun to watch the Chiefs take it to the Vikes. VII was dead boring to watch. The Redskins offense did nothing and Miami ran the ball all but 7 plays, IIRC.
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
I have watched, at one time or another, either the full or condensed version of every Superbowl
that said, some of them run together…
judging is the game a compelling one to watch, well played, close, or otherwise memorable
and it isn’t just final score
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
Sometime, what seems good or OK when viewed in retrospect isn’t so when viewed live. That Super Bowl VII was deadly dull viewing, outside of the wild Garo Yepremian play, even though Miami’s perfect season (barf) hung in the balance. Billy Kilmer couldn’t throw worth shit and Bob Griese didn’t have to, because Washington couldn’t stop the run enough.
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
I thought Pitt vs Arizona may have been the best football I've ever seen
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BOOOOOOO
Unreal plays in that game….
Harrison interception return
Larry Fitz almost won that Superbowl by himself. If you ever see his first TD again – surprised the Steelers didn’t challenge, I think the ball moves at the end
Big Ben was unreal on that final drive
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
I'm still not sure if Holmes got both feet in for that touchdown
man that was a hot debate for a week or so.
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Well of course you'd feel that way
I still remember a lot of different angles saying different things :P
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I still cannot believe Warner throws an INT on the goal line and it gets taken back
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what was awesome on that play – well two things were awesome
1) Harrison was supposed to be rushing the QB on that play, but freelanced into the throwing lane on his own
2) this is what was really awesome – Go look at a video of that play and the thing that really strikes you is how quickly the entire Steeler defense switches over to a offensive mindset. He catches it and takes a couple of steps and all of a sudden the whole defense is blocking for him. You rarely see that kind of fast switch from a defense
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
don't be that guy!
It was awesome football to watch, if not one of the 3 most infuriating games I’ve ever watched for football.
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muhhahahahahahah
I kicked ass of my “big bye week” this week
Was playing Adrian Peterson
Matt fucking Moore to the mother fucking house baby
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Of course he does, since he's on my fantasy football team :-/
Fortunately that team is now 10-1 so I think I can ride it out.
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Bill Plaschke
was at MLS Cup last night. His article is actually quite positive. I think soccer is growing on him.
I suggest he take up the full time soccer beat.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
That’s too nice a place for him. How about North Korea?
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
dam, you guys get ruthless up in here….
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
David Beckham has a ring in a box.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 21, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
yeah, I think Plaschke just likes winning, and can’t handle losing at all
by Josie Becker on Nov 21, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
I’m thankfully for the “ring in a box” meme. I’m fairly certain I will be using that for the rest of my life.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
I’ll clear your use of my copyright.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 21, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
You guys will enjoy hearing that I got a Bleacher Report "writer" disciplined by B/R
And I did it in a very polite communications with them in case I ever need to grovel and apply for a job there (they are hiring! and based in SF!)
He said some really inappropriate things to a Denver Post writer on Twitter this weekend and I was aghast to find he was a paid writer for B/R, not just some trolly tool on the internet.
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Hah, I know, I didn't expect action.
BUt if you’re a pro writer and you tweet a professional journalist that she’s “a bitch” because she tweeted a link (to an article she didn’t write) about Darrel Revis possibly being overrated (never mind whether that’s an arguable point, it was probably a dumb article), but he posted like 12 tweets in a row that were trolling two writers. Acting like a 10 year old. Anywy, I took a screen capture of his tweets because I knew he’d eventually delete them. If anyone’s curious…
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I'm trying to hold them accountable for their new mission of being a more professional site
with higher quality writers. I’m generally not buying it but wanted to see how serious they were about it. I’m still pleased by the rare moment where a douche on the ’net apologizes for it. :)
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I kind of want to see what would happen this weekend should Arkansas beat LSU and Alabama beat Auburn. Just to see how far LSU falls. Would be likely that Arkansas would still be 3 in the BCS.
So for that reason, for Keith and for chaos this weekend…go Razorbacks, and War Eagle.
Would Arky then play Georgia?
if so I hope they beatLSU and lose to Georgia. ANARCHY IN THE USA
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
If Arkansas beat LSU and Auburn beat Alabama, yes Arkansas would win the SEC West outright and play Georgia.
If Arkansas beat LSU and Alabama beat Auburn, we really don’t know. 3 team tie for SEC West with the tiebreaker being the BCS standings which will probably favor Alabama (like Eric says.) Then, Alabama would play Georgia for the SEC Championship.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
The 8th tiebreaker would be BCS standings, which could still be LSU 1, Alabama 2, Arkansas 3
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Brad Edwards was saying last night on ESPN that Alabama’s best case scenario is to simply have LSU win this week (and beat Auburn obviously). Then they don’t have to bother with the SEC title game and they are still very, very likely headed for New Orleans.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
That said, screw that if I’m an Alabama fan. I want to win the conference too. Play, and win the SEC title game.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Nope.
I know Josie will go apeshit, but I honestly think LSU should play Houston in the NCG.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Went to the Auburn-Samford game, and really, there’s not much “if” about Bama winning, I’m afraid. So Soo-eee pig (and go Hokies too).
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 21, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
if they go undefeated I'm cool with that
if LSU blows them out, oh well, one undefeated left standing.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
ya’ll crazy…. Houston plays nobody, might as well have Piece College in the title game. Shit they barely beat UCLA by 4 at home, enough said.
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
doesn't matter
they would be the only other undefeated. I can live with LSU trashing them if it happens, then we would have one undefeated and a clear champion
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
like usual, I totally disagree…. a 1 loss team, shit even a 2 loss team in a major football conference deserves a title shot more then some undefeated Houston.
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Why the fuck do you want a playoff then?
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
well, yeah true. But IMO thats another reason I’d like playoffs. Houston could be in the playoffs, and then if they prove they belong and win it all that way, then great.
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Im not sure what that has to do with playoffs. Im talking about how it should be in current format because thats what is…. if their was a playoffs, I suppose Houston could be in it ha
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
this argument is well chewed bubble game
all the flavor has been chomped out of both sides
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
You can only beat the teams on your schedule.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Well get a better schedule, or move to a real conference. Teams should be rewarded for going on undefeated in a little ass conference. I dont even see them having played 1 ranked team, all year.
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, both of those are simple fixes. Schedules aren’t set close to a decade in advance and they can just choose to jump to the Big 12. Easy peezy.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
getting a tougher schedule is actually much harder to do then you think
what mike said, and a lot of good team REFUSE to play on the road against other good teams.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Right I understand that…. But could they not move to a better football conferece? eventually? if they really want to play with the big boys? Or do they have a lifetime contract in the C-USA west?? You wanna be a big boy team, play against the big boys, its the only way.
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Isn’t it possible that this team is a once in a generation team for Houston? They may not be consistently good (enough that it warrants an Big 12 invite) but in this season they are perfect. How good or bad as they’ve been the past 30 years is irrelevant.
I look at a team like 2000 Oregon State. OSU sucked for 30 years. Seemingly overnight they got awesome. Luckily for Oregon State their conference didn’t split apart in the 90s like Houston’s did and they got the chance to win a Fiesta Bowl.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Any team that beats the shit out of Notre Dame has a friend in me.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
In the pre BCS rules, would OSU have gone to the Rose Bowl? I could have sworn there was an old rule where in the case of a tie, the team that hadn’t been to the Rose Bowl the most recently got to go. But that could have been the tiebreaker to determine the Big Ten team who went. Or I could be way wrong.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Yes that was a tie breaker, and a shitty one too!
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Thats a mom tie breaker… Son you already got your turn, let your brother go now. Fuck that.
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
OSU should have gone to the Rose Bowl anyway that year because Washington should have gone to the National Championship Game.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Look, I understand they play who they play. But going undefeated with whom they have played this year doesnt impress me as much as Oregon that only lost to #1 LSU, and USC by 3…. etc etc. Sorry if it hurts your feelings, but it should be held against them who they play.
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
As long as they are Division I
or whatever it’s called, then they should be considered. you are basically arguing for a super-division. That may not be a bad idea, but it’s not how it’/s structured today.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Well, I want playoffs, but under the BCS, I agree with Houston not being in the top 2 in the BCS, and agree with them not playing in the BCS title game.
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
I would love to see Houston in the championship. They’d love by about 60, but it would be sort of fun.
by UCLADodger32 on Nov 21, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Andre Ware would get another moment in the sun.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t forget David Klingler.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Nolander says
Who?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Ha, love should obviously be lose. The v and s arent particularly close on the keyboard…probably shouldnt be posting during Crim Pro
by UCLADodger32 on Nov 21, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
I was talking to my friend about this earlier
I thought Arkansas with a win would jump to number 1, but now I’m just stuck in a circle of wtf will happen.
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Arkansas has almost no shot to jump to 1. Their best hope is 2.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
As of now, Boise State has a stronger strength of schedule than Arkansas. Crazy. Alabama at least has the Penn State (and Arkansas) win. LSU scheduled like a boss this year.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Is the only way 1 would happen is with a big blowout?
ie, not happening.
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I think alabama would have to lose and then arkansas would have to also be georgia
but not even sure it could happen then
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
In that case I think it would. If not immediately, after they beat Georgia.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Because the team between them and number 1 (Alabama) is a team that blew out Arkansas. Voters aren’t going to have Arkansas jump Alabama.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
but if they blow out the team that beat the team that blew them out...
college football is dumb
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
You start getting into crazy circular logic.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
That's what is going through my brain right now
Well LSU beat Alabama, but Alabama beat Arkansas, but Arkansas could beat LSU, lol.
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Boxing fans, animal fans and Woody Allen fans will enjoy this
(they showed a clip of this on the PBS Woody doc last night)
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2011/11/21/woody_allen_boxes_a_kangaroo_video.html
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Verlander – 280
Ellsbury – 242
Bautista – 231
Granderson – 215
Cabrera -193
Verlander got 13 first-place votes, Ellsbury 4, Bautista 5, Granderson 3 and Cabrera 2. Michael Young got a first-place vote too but came in 8th overall.
From the BBWAA release:
Verlander, 28, became the first starting pitcher in 25 years to be named MVP and only the second player in the history of BBWAA voting to win all three player awards. He was the AL winner of the Jackie Robinson Rookie of the Year Award in 2006. The only other player to do so was pitcher Don Newcombe, the National League Rookie of the Year in 1949 and the NL MVP and Cy Young Award winner in 1956, all with the Brooklyn Dodgers.
Verlander got left off one ballot entirely. The next four all got named on all 28 ballots
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Rangers’ beat writer Evan Grant of Dallas Morning News voted Young first.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
He should lose his vote…and probably his job. Yikes.
by UCLADodger32 on Nov 21, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not saying he was
But there are usually a few picks towards the end of ballots that are for players like Young. As long as they dont get too many votes it’s ok. In this case, he got too many.
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FTFY
Rangers’ beat writer Evan Grant of Dallas Morning News voted Young first is an idiot.
What shocked me is that Young got so much support while Napoli got nary a point.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Not that he didn't deserve a lot of recognition
But I really thought he would have been 5th or so.
1. Ellsbury
2. Bautista
3. Granderson
4. Miggy
5. Verlander
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Ellsbury’s final numbers shocked me. He made the mistake of getting hot while the Sox faded (and some Sox were getting faded?), which undercut his MVP bid. Verlander was a reasonable choice, just not the best one IMO.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
that’s fine to say that now, but if they announce tomorrow that Matt Kemp is the NL MVP, will the voters there be not smart as well?
Different guys vote for AL and NL.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
How come fans dont get to vote for these award? Shit they trust people to vote for a president but not a MVP?? im kiddin
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
I’m shocked, but then again I’m not. What exactly does that make me?
by UCLADodger32 on Nov 21, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
David Robertson got a 10th place vote. Alex Gordon got three
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Too much football and MVP voting...so here's my preferred lineup for 2012
1- Gordon SS
2- Ellis C
3- Kemp CF
4- Ethier RF
5- Rivera/Sands LF (most likely Rivera:(
6- Jim Loney (hope he grows a fu manchu) 1B
7- Uribe- 3B
8- Ellis 2B
Talk to me
by Lex in Brooklyn on Nov 21, 2011 11:16 AM PST reply actions
You’re silly if you think Mattingly will put the catcher Ellis 2nd and the second baseman Ellis 8th.
works
Put Jim and his bad ass Fu maybe in the two hole
and I love evil great player Jim with facial hair (rather than nice guy but sucks James)
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
I know he’s fast and all, but I don’t love Dee as the leadoff man. No better option though I guess. Like AJ second.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
gotta love AJ’s career AAA OB% of .441 OB%
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
I believe that AJ will obp over 340 and is the best option in the 2 hole. Dee is not ideal, but in front of a good obp good contact guy like AJ is acceptable given the options.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Nov 21, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
After seeing the Verlander vote (I know the voters arent the same), I have a feeling we all are going to be mighty disappointed tomorrow.
Buster Olney
just said the same thing on SC. MVP voters take team performance into account historically
by Josie Becker on Nov 21, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
You think
He’ll win NL MVP too? That would be something.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I know he will. The narrative was that strong.
by UCLADodger32 on Nov 21, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Evan Grant will vote Napoli, to make up for his Young vote
leagues be damned!
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Even if Braun wins
we know in our minds (and hearts) that Kemp was the better player this year. That’s good enough for me.
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
He’s under contract akready, so it doesn’t make him more expensive ( I don’t think, haven’t seen if he has any incentives). I want Kemp to win every award possible so it boosts his HOF credentials. I want to see a number hung in Dodger Stadium i my lifetime, and would love to see a Kershaw/Kemp 2034 class.
If Kemp is as good as he showed this year
this won’t be the last year he’s a frontrunner for the MVP
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
He was 34.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
It’s the only unofficially retired number at the moment. I don’t believe it’s been worn since he retired. They were holding off on #6 and #10 for a while too, then they realized that Garvey and Cey are not going to Cooperstown without tickets.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
For Josie:
How is Kansas City a “neutral location” for the Cal-Georgia BB ball game?
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
Sounds like a tournament.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I'm new to college BB- what does that mean?
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
It means they are playing in a tournament
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
ok- so it just counts as a regular game would tho?
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
haha ok thanks :-)
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
It will be factored into their overall record and RPI (assuming all the games are against D-1 teams)
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
So they say BABIP takes 8 seasons to normalize and that hurt Kershaw?
but UZR is fucking faulty as can be and is used in WAR calculations.. eh
Kershaw has been the same for three years now, safe to assume hes awesome and its hard to square up a ball off him
by NotJoeTorre on Nov 21, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
Kershaw is at 755 strikeouts
How cool would it be to see him break 1,000 by the end of next season
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ok, me too, and the story part of it is still funny, but shit, how many times are they going to talk about guidos, juice heads, and 16 and pregnant? I swear they’ve been making those jokes all 4-5 shows now, we got it already. I hope Mike Judd gets it too.
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
If you’re going to be an adult watching B&B, you shouldn’t think like an adult about B&B.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Im not sure what that has to do with the same jokes being repeated over and over for 5 straight shows, but ok.
by uschris0304 on Nov 21, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
right thats true, maybe im just bitter cuz they keep talkin shit about my favorite show jersey shore haha
Or maybe you’ve revealed the bigger problem here.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Hah, well done.
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im kidding man its not my favorite show… its my 2nd favorite show to Keeping up with the Kardashians haha… Its close, but in the end, Kim is just way too fine.
ha, im kidding I dont have a gun, never have even fired one…. But anyways, IMO all TV shows suck today… so its hard for me not to get drawn into shitty TV shows when all of them suck. Sports still rules all for me though.
I consider the past 10 years
the golden age of TV.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Didn't you hear?
Verlander sewed up both leagues
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
SI_JonHeyman
Mets, dodgers, braves among half dozen teams that have shown interest in ss-2b jack wilson, still a defensive whiz
heard this
Ned likes ball catchers
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ned has been winking at Jack Wilson for years now
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
He only would have cost us the soon to be NL MVP in 2009
for some reason according to someone who is paid to write.
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Dodgers gonna defend the shit of the baseball this season.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
they won’t hit enough
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 21, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
So far, btw
It looks like Reed is running away with this vote. Gscott’s propaganda is working ;)
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My write-in campaign from #4 is paying off. Tolleson is starting to get some love.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
It looked like he was killing it in the voting
Though I believe Reed still has a sizable margin. Tolleson will be one of the next 3 off the board I’m sure.
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I feel like Guerra should get some more love
He was a major league closer for a few months…I barely can view him as a prospect anymore though.
by eitherethier on Nov 21, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
i'm thinking about closing the vote early
since Reed now has more than double the votes of anyone else…17 for reed compared to 8, 7, and 7 for Tolleson, Withrow, and Pederson.
next vote should be interesting so i can start that now and let it go until Wed morning. Anyone opposed to this?
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Kemp and Andre repeat, Kershaw and Ellis pick up Gold Gloves, Dodgers win World Series; twice.
by Josie Becker on Nov 21, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
Over
Kershaw now has a reputation, and Kemp will get one unless he flops like 2010.
Better question would be over/under 2.5
TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion
Not only that, actually
But Ellis has a shot if he’s healthy.
TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion
With Maddux gone
Kershaw is starting his strangle-hold on the GG category.
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who is your backup?
maybe its jsut me but isn’t Cassel kinda meh?
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
It’s the start of the Tyler Palko era!
Cassel is only meh, but the Chiefs’ offensive line is horrible this year, so it is hard to judge just how he has been.
The entire last two games, Cassel has been running for his life on just about every play that was more than a three-step drop.
Word is this Palko guy is the worst #2 QB in the NFL too. Sucks because I got Bowe. But I also got Wallace and Andre Johnson .
Honestly, that’s an impossible statement to even try to investigate.
“Palko vs. Kafka, who ya got?”
Uh, I have no freaking clue who’s better.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
If Kafka were to become an NFL starting QB, it would be a hell of a metamorphosis.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I wanna play
If Kafka was backing up Matt Castle and suddenly became the starter, not only would it be a Metamorphosis but also one hell of a Trial. It would be big news across Amerika, and any failure would result in a Description of a Struggle unlike any other
As a football player, you don’t function as one of eleven players on an offense, but rather one of Eleven Sons as a coach.
In my deepest Contemplation, Football is A Little Fable about A Fratricide
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
y’all are lucky I have work to do…I could have gone all night
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
I know Tolleson is going to get some love at #6, but Javy Guerra has already done at the major league level and for an extended period of time what we hope Shawn Tolleson can do in a couple years and will already be a key member of our bullpen going forward. With a 10 point buck heater Aaron Miles would be proud to hunt, he’s got to be the choice at #6.
I honestly think Guerra shouldn’t be on the list anymore. Everyone’s expecting him to regress and that’s gonna effect his ranking. I agree with you though, Guerra last season is what we hope Tolleson can do one day.
by eitherethier on Nov 21, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think Guerra should be on the list either, because he no longer qualifies as a rookie. But I defer to Brandon.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
it's a tough one because all the other prospect lists are including Guerra
and I expect Baseball America to include him as well since they clearly state they don’t take into account service time and use the 50 IP threshold. so I’m trying to mimic the other lists as closely as possible so we can compare all the lists equally
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
Unless SD has miracle finish, Turner out after season. What did Chargers ever see in this guy? I feel bad for them because they really had a Super Bowl contending team in years past too. Even though Ryan apologized, he was right.
yeah and with a good head coach they’d have been even better. Jerry Rice said he isnt a head coach that can take you over the hump..
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