2012 TBLA #6 Dodger Prospect Discussion
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 3:06 PM PST
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PrintChris Reed had more than twice the number of votes of his opponents, so I decided to declare him winner and move on to the #6 Prospect. Reed won despite just 7 innings of professional experience, beating out fellow former 1st round pick Chris Withrow, toolsy outfielder Joc Pederson, and 2011 Dodger Minor League Pitcher of the year Shawn Tolleson.
This next vote should be more interesting since there wasn't a clear runner up for prospect #5, and we'll let this one simmer all the way until Wednesday morning. I didn't add anyone this time around, but will add a few names next time.
Here are the candidates for the Dodgers #6 prospect:
Joc Pederson - OF (19.5 years old) - Pederson's name was scattered all over the Pioneer League Leaderboard after a big offensive season that saw him hit .353 with 11 homers, 24 SB's, and a .997 OPS. As I mentioned last year he has 5-tool potential, although none of his 5 tools seem to have a particularly high ceiling. Scouts don't think he'll be able to handle center field in the big leagues, but believe he can play either corner outfield spot.
Chris Withrow - RHP (22.5 years old) - Withrow had a quiet, yet solid campaign in 2011 as he posted a 4.20 ERA in AA to go along with a 3.86 FIP and a 9.1 K/9. He continues to struggle with control, but is armed with a hard fastball, a very good curveball, and a changeup that Baseball America calls fringy. He's still in the rotation for now, although there have been talks that he could move to the bullpen if he can't improve his walk rate.
James Baldwin - OF (20 years old) - Baldwin started the 2011 season on fire, and while he cooled down as the year progressed he still finished with 10 homers, 22 stolen bases, and a .828 OPS. Many people call him the most exciting prospect since Matt Kemp, although Baldwin struggles with strikeouts much more than Kemp did. He should have no trouble handling center field as he moves up through the minors.
Javy Guerra - RHP (26 years old) - While he won't qualify as a rookie next season, he didn't quite reach the 50 IP mark in the big leagues so will still be considered a prospect in this vote. I probably don't need to provide and color here since he spent most of the 2011 season with the Dodgers, so everyone should be very familiar with him by now. Community votes to exclude him since he is no longer a rookie
Alfredo Silverio - OF (24.5 years old) - Signed way back in 2003, Silverio finally figured out how to make good use of the athleticism that scouts have seen in him for years. This past season the outfielder led the Southern League in total bases, and hit .306 with 16 homers and a .883 OPS. He also showed good speed with a minor league high 18 triples, but was caught in 12 of his 23 SB attempts. While he spent most of the 2011 in center field, it remains to be seen if he'll be able to handle that position at the big league level.
Angelo Songco - 1B (23 years old) - Songco had a monster season for the Quakes in 2011, leading the California League in doubles and total bases while hitting .313 with 29 homers and 114 RBI's. He's always had a ton of raw power, and it finally showed this past year. He made the switch from left field to 1st base during the season, but overall doesn't have much defensive value so he's going to have to continue to hit as he moves up through the system.
Jonathan Garcia - OF (20 years old) - Garcia got off to a hot start in 2011 and showed good power throughout the season with 19 homers, but he ended the year in a major slump and hit just .228 for the season. He was one of the youngest players in the Midwest League, however, and has plenty of time to improve and mature. On defense Garcia has a strong arm and should be able to handle right field as he moves up through the system.
Shawn Tolleson - RHP (23.75 years old) - Tolleson flew through the minor leagues in 2011, advancing from LoA to AA and dominating everywhere he went. His combined stats were ridiculous as he had a 1.17 ERA, a 1.01 WHIP, a 1.59 FIP, and a 13.7 K/9 over 69 innings. His cutter is by far his best pitch, which by most accounts is nearly unhittable for lower level minor leaguers. He also mixes in a solid fastball, which apparently hit 97 mph last season on a good night, and a slider.
Angel Sanchez - RHP (22 years old) - Sanchez literally came out of nowhere in 2011 and had a very good season for the Great Lakes Loons. Signed out of the Dominican Republic, he jumped straight to the Midwest League and had a 2.82 ERA, a 3.46 FIP, a 7.6 K/9, and a .198 batting average against. He throws a hard fastball that can reach 97 mph, and he also has a curveball and changeup.
Please use this post as the discussion thread, and cast your actual vote in this Fanpost.
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I think that being a good reliever would be near Withrow’s floor, so he has to be ahead of Tolleson.
I guess he's basically Elbert before the Dodgers decided to convert him
Though Elbert never got his ass kicked in AA.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
but again, Javyuerra is already doing ht, with the potential to become a shutdown late inning guy, not just “well he couldn’t start, and we need a middle reliever SOMEWHERE”.
Javy Guerra is the #6 prospect. Don’t be in a hurry to vote a hitter in just because there hasn’t been one yet.
Ya know
you can fix really easily that for about $10
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Well Pedeson can “potentially” be better
by Julio Nievas on Nov 21, 2011 3:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Was a top 10 HS player in the state of California
according to draft report of 200 players… I’ll try to find it.
by Julio Nievas on Nov 21, 2011 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
i'd say it's somewhat similar to the Kenley Jansen situation from last year
and Jansen ended up #5 in the 2011 TBLA vote. I think most would agree that Jansen is better than Guerra (short and long term), and while I understand these are two different lists I think it makes sense that Guerra will end up lower than Jansen was last year.
I know I haven’t chimed in much for these community votes, but personally I’d go Withrow here just because I think he could be the best of the bunch once he makes it to the show, whether it’s as a starter or a reliever
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Jansen does it with gas. Tolleson does it with movement that may or may not fool major league hitters.
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I like these ratios for Tolleson in AA:
2.2 BB/9in
11.2 K/9in.
For such a high K rate, his control is awesome. I hope we see this guy in spring training.
His walk rate is nice, has been nice. But that is partly because he throws, what, 92-93, not 96+. I like him, he comes up pretty soon for my vote, but I’m still wary. He’s not Jansen.
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Tolleson doesn’t throw soft. In fact, according to DeJon a coupe weeks ago, he’s now mid-90s as well. That’s when I bought in.
I wonder if he meant he sits at that or peaks at that.
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I voted Pederson because I think he has the potential to be more valuable than a reliever, but I’m voting for Guerra next, if he doesn’t win this one.
by eitherethier on Nov 21, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
If we were just voting on potential, then Baldwin is probably the #1 prospect. I think that likelihood of contributing to the majors is a major factor as well.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Not at all. Lee was the TBLA number 1 prospect, and nolij said that just looking at potential, Baldwin is the number 1 prospect.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
hitter/pitcher, tomato/tomato. Can’t compare them, both with the potential to be great, Lee gets ranked higher for being more likely to reach his ceiling
right I know one is a hitter and one is a pitcher, but I was just asking off potential alone, who has the better potential to be a star?
and I asked because I thought nobody has more pure potential to be something special more then Lee, but I really dont know since I dont follow what could be, I follow what is.
it's like asking
who is better…Matt Kemp or Clayton Kershaw!
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Well, Does Lee have a better chance of becoming Kershaw, then Baldwin has of becoming Kemp? or vice versa?
if those are the two options, then i’d say Lee has a better chance of becoming Kershaw for sure
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Zach Lee has, let’s say, a 10% chance of being Chris Carpenter.
James Baldwin has like a 2% chance of being Andrew McCutchen.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Divide both numbers by 10 for a more realistic projection.
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by regfairfield on Nov 21, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
We kind of have to compare them. We aren’t doing separate lists for pitchers and hitters.
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
he asked who has more star potential, Lee or Baldwin. Like Brandon said, it’s like asking if Matt Kemp or Clayton Kershaw is the better player.
It’d be close. His tools are off the charts, but he hasn’t translated them into baseball playing ability yet.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I’m gonna start voting for Baldwin pretty soon. I was more impressed with Pederson last year though. Better contact, plate discipline and more stolen bases.
by eitherethier on Nov 21, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
I bet Landry has fallen so far on the prospect lists that he’ll actually be under-rated given his potential and skills compared to where he’ll be ranked. I wonder if he’ll even make the Baseball America top 30
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
A fleeting thought
Joc Pederson’s upside is Andy Van Slyke.
Scott Van Slyke’s upside may well be Stu Pederson.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
by Nolij on Nov 21, 2011 3:33 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I need to do my own series, of best-named Dodgers prospects.
Joc Pederson would surely get the number one slot.
O'koyea Dickson ftw
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
somebody with Twitter (i don't have it)
needs to ask someone from Baseball America if E Martin is indeed eligible just so we know for sure
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
I have asked around
no one responded which could mean they don’t know or they don’t think a lot about him.
Callis
is probably very busy around this time. He used to answer some of my Q’s but not much anymore.
Dodgers will end up gaining $25,000 if they lose Griff because they will eventually take him back.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
agreed
i just don’t think he can stick in the big leagues yet if somebody takes a risk on him
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
Martin is definitely not eligible. He hasn’t been in the organization four years.
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by regfairfield on Nov 21, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
we've been having this discussion for a little while now
technically he has since he was drafted in 2008 and was signed as a 19 year old. would make him no different than kyle russell who was drafted in 2008 and was signed as a 20 year old
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
craig says that because Martin didn't play in 2008 that might mean he isn't eligible, but i'm not so sure
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
It’s certainly stretching the definition of “four years” if it’s true.
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by regfairfield on Nov 21, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Javy Guerra should not be on the list if he is not a rookie next year. We should not dumb ourselves down because BA refuses to acknowledge the rules of MLB. JMO
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
canuckdodger and all the other early lists i've seen included him
so I thought I would too for comparison purposes
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
If you like comparing major league baseball players to prospects.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
i was definitely rooting for him to hit the 50 IP mark so we didn't have to worry about this
but i’m down for excluding him if everyone feels that way. it doesn’t look like he’ll win this next vote anyways, so unless somebody feels strongly about keeping him in the vote then let’s take him out and let GScott change his vote
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
I'm with Phil on this
If they can’t qualify as a rookie, I don’t see why they should qualify as a prospect.
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Michael Bush
Fuckin rules. So fortunate to have grabbed him on waivers when DMC went down. Hue Jackson likes giving him 30 carries a game.
Was it a best of five or a best of seven?
Hope he’s OK.
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I rec'd this
because I’d like to see a HITNG green
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
by mleadman on Nov 21, 2011 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
fta
Javy Guerra – RHP (26 years old) – While he won’t qualify as a rookie next season, he didn’t quite reach the 50 IP mark in the big leagues so will still be considered a prospect in this vote. I probably don’t need to provide and color here since he spent most of the 2011 season with the Dodgers, so everyone should be very familiar with him by now.
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http://www.truebluela.com/2011/11/21/2576952/2012-tbla-6-dodger-prospect-discussion#83508932
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
i'm about to remove him...this is a community vote
and if the community doesn’t want him in since he’s not a rookie then i’m taking him out
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
MOB RULES THE MOD RULES
Fucking hippie protesters fuck with everything sacred….Film at 11
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
Imagine how this crowd would react to a mass bra-burning protest.
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start with the Manzierres and move on to the Bros….
Occupy TBLA sucks
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
UCLA GRAD WILL FORTE:
“I don’t really associate with USC fans. A certain type of person goes there — they aren’t good people. They’re very entitled, the type of person that will not hold the door for an old woman. They’ll intentionally walk a blind person into traffic. That’s what you’re working with at that school.”
USC GRAD WILL FERRELL RESPONDS:
“It’s funny — ever since USC surpassed UCLA in the U.S. News & World Report rankings, there’s been an edginess among the Bruin faithful. We have always maintained athletic dominance, and now that we have academic superiority, you just feel sorry for people who have anything to do with UCLA.”
yeah right, I hold the door open for old ladies all the time, and anyone else that comes in after me.
A certain type of person goes there
Did you go there?
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
what is so funny
is weeks ago BH and I were talking with some nice young ladies from USC and one of them held the door open for another person and I was SHOCKED
I told her that she could not have gone to USC because she was a nice and good person, the type that opens doors for others…blah, blah, blah
and here it is in print
and she was nice
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
I wrote and deleted comment about making sweet love to old ladies so tasteless that it caused me to laugh at my desk and be a little disgusted with myself all at the same time
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
nah that 8 year run by UCLA in the 90s for football never happened!
Wooden who?
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by nolander on Nov 21, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I really, really wish someone would do away with the US News Rankings. Biggest crock of shit thats out there today.
by UCLADodger32 on Nov 21, 2011 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
Mariners outfielder stabbed to death
Dutch police say Seattle Mariners outfielder Greg Halman has been stabbed to death and his brother has been arrested as a suspect.
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Rotterdam Police spokeswoman Patricia Wessels says police were called to a home in the Dutch port city early Monday morning and found Halman bleeding from a stab wound.
CSI Holland reports that is was the splinters from his brother’s wooden shoes found in Halman’s carpet that led them to the murderer
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
I can’t help but have the spokeswoman’s name remind me of Ensign Chekov.
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I know you don't want too many names on the list
But we are now in the group where there’s a fair amount of debate about the relative merits of the players. Seems like the time has come, if not now then in the next vote, for Lindblom, Federowicz (who did get a taste of the Show already), and maybe Erickson to be on the list.
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I have an irrational desire to see Federated succeed
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
A Dodger fan wanting Dodger prospects to succeed seems pretty rational to me :)
by Michael White on Nov 21, 2011 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
I made what I thought was decent Kafka joke on the last thread only to realize that everyone left that party hours ago
I feel like Dave
Guy named Shaikin should always comment on bobbleheads.
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I heard he wants the Bruins to play at
Palsy Pavillion
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
There are a whopping 10 bobblehead days coming next season. So far Koufax is the only one we know; they are calling the series “Dodger Stadium Greats”
The dates:
April 28, May 15, May 29, June 12, June 28, July 14, July 31, August 7*, August 21, August 30
*Koufax
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
The two yet unnamed “fleece item” giveaway days are April 24 and September 13.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
One Fleece Item
should be a Frank bobblehead
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
by mleadman on Nov 21, 2011 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
guess i know what 10 games i’m buying
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 21, 2011 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
Has to include
Cy Kershaw and MATT KEMvP.
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TWSS
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Man, they can’t all be winners. I don’t vet these things before I post ’em!
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If a guy who can’t crack the Dodger 40 man squad who was in AA last year year makes the Dodgers top 10 list that either means the Dodgers scouts are idiots, we are idiots, or everyone is an idiot.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I have no idea what your signature means
but it gives me the vibe of a trippy 1970’s blacklight poster
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Or he doesn’t need to be protected yet.
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what we don’t know we don’t know and there is a lot that you can’t know
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
and these are humans we are talking about
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
fuckin humans, how do they work?
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 21, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
z
Javy Guerra ranks 21st in season saves for the Dodgers out of 61 Dodgers who have had at least 10 saves. Not bad for a “prospect”.
What Dodger won the Cy Young with “only” 21 saves?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Van Halen didn’t run with the Devil either
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
if Jaime didn't cry
then I am going to feel so ripped off
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
Better than the girls Back in the USSR?
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
He's definitely
bugnut crazy. I never got the supposed greatness of Pet Sounds either
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Who didn’t party with “good time” Charlie back in the day?
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
He was friends
with Doris Day’s kid Terry Melcher (?), who was friends with Manson.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Doris Day
I always
A) confuse her with someone from the isle of Lesbos
B) confuse her with Dinah Shore
C) who I confuse with someone from the isle of Lesbos
I think make mistake A due to Rock Hudson, make mistake B because they both seemed blonde and older when I was a kid and C because Dinah Shore was a LPGA sponsor
I like where these threads go…
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
Doris Day was a notorious maneater. Which makes her pairing with Hudson even funnier.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
really? That is awesome
Who’d she bag?
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
Didn’t one of those husband rip her off for a whole lotta grips?
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Lesbos was actually a Jeopardy question last night.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Nov 21, 2011 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
Per wikipedia, Melcher's entry
In 1968, Beach Boy Dennis Wilson introduced Melcher to ex-con and aspiring musician Charles Manson. Manson and his “family” had been living in Wilson’s house on Sunset Boulevard after Wilson had picked up two girls from the family hitchhiking. Wilson expressed interest in Manson’s music and even recorded two of Manson’s songs with The Beach Boys. For a time, Melcher was interested in recording Manson’s music, as well as making a movie about the “family” & their “hippie commune” existence. Manson met Melcher at 10050 Cielo Drive, the home Melcher shared with his girlfriend, actress Candice Bergen. Manson eventually auditioned for Melcher, but Melcher declined to sign him. There was still talk of a documentary being made about Manson’s music, but Melcher abandoned the project after witnessing his subject become embroiled in a fight with a drunken stuntman at Spahn Ranch.3 Both Wilson and Melcher severed their ties with Manson, a move that angered Manson.5
Not long after severing ties with Manson, Melcher and Bergen moved out of the Cielo Drive home. The house’s owner, Rudi Altobelli, then leased it to film director Roman Polanski and his wife, actress Sharon Tate.
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
heavy shit man
They don’t move….
and there is no Murphy Brown
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
Dan Quayle might be president today
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
The terrorists would have already won long ago.
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I supposed we shouldn’t be surprised you’d be attracted to the ex of Roman Polanski.
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boom
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 21, 2011 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
Charlie
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
And Van Houten
Representing Monrovia!
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
fucking crazy
how does she end up stabbing people to death?
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
My dad went to school with Squeaky Fromme, I think.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I went to school with a couple of the ‘Family’ members; Steve Grogan, and Claudia Smith. Actually saw the whole group at a party in Box Canyon in June or July of 1969. Charlie and all the girls walked through and the crowd parted. We commented that he had most of the girls at the party with him. He looked like he owned the world, and was just surveying his property. Little tiny guy.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
Creepy.
Dude, you are ooooold. ;-)
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Nice eyes
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I like to think that given the chance I would have kicked the shit out of that man
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
BTW, Melcher died a few years back.
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and really, what pet sound is good?
Meowing, barking, chriping, barfing, mooing? they all suck
give me quiet
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 21, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
Sloop John B is a classic amongst classics
by Josie Becker on Nov 21, 2011 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
all I know
is the beatle(s) claim to have been influenced by it in some way.
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Brian Wilson LOVED the U.S. version of Rubber Soul. That was their inspiration because it took Folk Rock to a new dimension.
and then the beach boys liked pet sounds
and then brian wilson went bonkers
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Is the most underrated Beatles album Revolver? Such a great record.
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Nope
Revolver is generally thought of to be one of the best ever albums (per Rolling Stone magazine).
Most underrated Beatles album, IMO, is Help!
Magical Mystery Tour has some amazing stuff on it. not a “real” album though..
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It’s probably foolish to even speak of the concept of “underrated Beatle albums.” Sorry about that.
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But Overrated
Sgt Pepper is overrated IMO
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
For some reason that is considered their transitional moment from pop Beatles to something other than that, yet Revolver is already a departure from the previous records.
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you’re right, except Pepper was the start of concept albums
by Josie Becker on Nov 21, 2011 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
Meh. Not much of a concept in Pepper. One song used as the intro and reprised at the conclusion isn’t a full blown concept.
Symphonies had been doing 40-minute concepts for how long?
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I wouldn’t be the first, esp. when you get to “concept” albums.
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Overrated = White Album, for sure.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
It has some fun, edgy tracks
but I’d agree that it’s a bit haphazard.
My favorite on it is probably Happiness is a Warm Gun.
by silverwidow on Nov 21, 2011 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
The other albums are so beautifully crafted, then they just said, “Here, have some songs.”
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
It is actually a very, very progressive and foreshadowing release, as it is both an original and the outtakes all in one!
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
Another underrated album is Let It Be…Naked. This is the stripped down version of Phil Spector’s release in 1970. Big improvements on several tracks from the original.
by silverwidow on Nov 21, 2011 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
Bah. Let It Be…Naked is half-assed. They had an opportunity to give us something un-Spectorized and maybe throw in some alternate stuff from the (long unseen) movie and they gave a mostly slightly different remix. Could have been better.
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
Despite releasing a lot of product
They really crafted only one album after Pepper, which is Abbey Road. Now it is hard to complain about a period where the single releases were things like Hey Jude/Revolution, All You Need Is Love, The Ballad of John and Yoko, etc., and they put out the Magical Mystery Tour EP (with I Am The Walrus).
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
There’s probably one great album among the two disc of the “white” album, but you’ll probably never get two Beatles fans to agree on which 40 or so minutes that actually is.
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I like the White Album so much because it’s all over the place. I dont think a single album would have done it justice
by eitherethier on Nov 21, 2011 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
My list
1) Rubber Soul
2) Revolver
3) Abbey Road
These are far and away their best three. The most amazing music ever for me.
God Only Knows (the only one on the album where Carl Wilson sings lead); Caroline, No, and Don’t Talk are incredibly pretty songs.
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Nathan's Nation
would be a good club name tho
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Joe Namath disease
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
$15 million seems like a lot for a shot arm.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
will be interesting to see what Broxton gets…
by eitherethier on Nov 21, 2011 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
In a world where Clint Barmes is worth 11 million Nathan at 14 is sane.
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by regfairfield on Nov 21, 2011 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
Barmes close to a 2 WAR player? 7.4 cumulative fWAR over the last four years. That’s a $14 million player over his two-year contract! ;-)
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Both Ogando and Feliz
full time rotation if C.J. leaves. I think they have a deep pen in case Nathan flames. But $14M is a bit steep.
XD SHHEEEEET
Voted Tolleson, but im cool with Pederson.
"Next year, we're definitely going to make the playoffs."
-MVP
My top six were all pitchers
all of whom I hold believe still have a shot at being starters. In order:
Lee
Eovaldi
Reed
Webster
Gould
Withrow
Pederson is just too far away to break into that group for me. Maybe next slot, if he doesn’t win this one.
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I think Webster gets some starts this season
Hes the closest to the majors out of those guys. I assume Eovaldi makes the club out of ST
withrow is closer imho
but webster could pass him pretty easy
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
In fantasy football news,
I need Gostkowski to somehow score 16 tonight for a 5th win in a row.
#nofuckinchance
Hey Keith…are your boys going to be able to take care of bidness Friday?
by KellyStephen on Nov 21, 2011 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
Im not sold on LSU’s offense. Im 100% sold on ours.
Im not sold on our defense. Im 1000000% sold on theirs.
With all of those brilliant analogies aside, We play well against them. Won 3 out of the last 4. Inluding the year they
won it all in Baton Rouge. (McFadden 206 yds rushing; Hillis 170 total yards; Jones 85 yards rushing).
I think we win by 10.
That would be SOOOOO-WEEEEEEET
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since Billicheck is as likely to go for it as kick a 50+ yarder I guess that is a hard sell
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
#nofuckingchance
I have any idea what I’m talking about.
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by fbihop on Nov 21, 2011 6:55 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Great news...Ethan Martin is not eligible for the Rule 5 draft
but not because he didn’t play this season. He actually missed the cutoff by 1 day! i had read is some places that the age is based on the day of the draft and not when the player signed, but wasn’t sure which was correct.
Per Matt Eddy of BA:
Martin is not eligible for Rule 5 selection. MLB uses age as of June 5 preceding the signing of a player’s first pro contract as the cutoff. Martin was born on June 6.
Your instinct is correct. Regardless of Martin’s recent performance, the Dodgers would not leave him vulnerable to the Rule 5.
and by "playing this season"
I meant playing in his first pro season of 2008
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
Griff, Russell, St. Clair
I doubt the Dodgers care if they lose Russell (and they shouldn’t). Unless a young catcher is ready to hold his own defensively in the majors and handle an MLB pitching staff, no MLB team will trust him even as a back-up. In short, I believe the Dodgers think Griff either won’t be taken, or will be returned if he is. With St. Clair, I’m not sure he throws hard enough for him to be desirable to other teams as a major leaguer right now, or for the Dodgers to be too concerned about losing him and never getting him back.
by CanuckDodger on Nov 21, 2011 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
i don't think there could be anyone else
unless somebody knows a secret about Pedro Baez. maybe he is now healthy and throwing gas as a pitcher
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
I Can't Remember The Full List Of Eligible Players
If anybody other than Griff or St. Clair is picked, I am pretty sure I won’t care and would advise than nobody else to so either:)
by CanuckDodger on Nov 21, 2011 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
List
Kyle Russell, Tony Delmonico, Jon Michael Redding, Cole St. Clair, Nick Buss, Jordan Roberts, Austin Gallagher, Andres Santiago, Chris Jacobs, Griff Erickson, Justin Miller, Tim Sexton, Jaime Pedroza, Matt Wallach, Pedro Baez, Geison Aguasviva, Rafael Ynoa, Carlos Frias, Bladimir Franco, Ramon Jean, Jose Dominguez, Daniel Tamares, Charlie Mirabal, Pedro Guerrero, Elian Herrera, Josh Walter, Steve Smith, Joseph Becker, Robert Booth
Santiago May Yet Turn Into Something. Gallagher, Quite Possibly Could Do Something In Future
Of course neither has any chance of getting picked.
by CanuckDodger on Nov 21, 2011 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
Do you think we protected Antonini and Fife, two guys with mediocre stuff, because they can start?
Withrow, Wall, and Castellanos were no brainers.
I Think The Look Of The Dodgers' MLB Starting Rotation Right Now...
…meant that they didn’t think they could risk losing any Double A starters.
by CanuckDodger on Nov 21, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
damn you canuck
why must you hate my dreams of Kyle Russell hitting cleanup for this team in 4 years???
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 21, 2011 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
oooohhhh look at what I found
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=20005809&topic_id=&c_id=mlb&tcid=vpp_copy_20005809&v=3
koufax does look like he’s in pain though
by wukunlin on Nov 21, 2011 7:35 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Man, those of you voting for Tolleson this soon must really think our prospects suck.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
National holiday today in Donora, PA
or at least it should be.
Stan Musial turns 91 today, Ken Griffey Jr. turns 42.
In seven years, Junior will be half the age of The Man.
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by David Young on Nov 21, 2011 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
All you need to know about Kevin Millar and Intentional Talk
They talked about Michael Young’s lone first place vote for AL MVP, and the discussion surrounding it was that Young should have gotten more support.
man down
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 21, 2011 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
I wanna say I won't be upset if Kemp doesn't win MVP tomorrow
but I’d be lying.
I’d get over it quickly, I just imagine all the “The Dodgers didn’t contend all year.” explanations will be annoying.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 21, 2011 9:25 PM PST reply actions
I’m bringing my stabbing knife to work tomorrow, just in case.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
then you’re gonna open the drawer marked, “Emergency Kittens”?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 21, 2011 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
That reminds me
I knew I should have poked some air holes in that drawer!
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
good thing you’re bringing the knife
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 21, 2011 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
at least Brandon McCarthy understands
BMcCarthy32: Just so we’re clear, I will never think someone should win or lose an MVP or other award, based on team success/failure. NEVER.
Clubhouse Confidential
It’s mind boggling that this kind of show is on regular TV. Unbelievably hardcore analysis. Great, great stuff.
free agent arbitration deadline:
Nov. 23, 2011
Last date for former club to offer salary arbitration to ranked XX(B) free agents in order to be eligible for compensation. Deadline is midnight.
Do the Dodgers have any ranked guys they need to do this for?
Kuroda is the only other Type B, but he can’t be offered arb through his contract.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
Eric
Lindblom won’t qualify for a rookie next year, right? you have him at 77 days of service time, and if you exclude September that would give him at least 47 days of service time excluding September. So you agree he won’t be a rookie, right?
That being said, does the community think he should be included in the prospect vote? because if we exclude guerra, i guess we should exclude him as well if he indeed won’t be a “rookie” next year
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 10:52 PM PST reply actions
Yeah, Lindblom is no longer a rookie
49 days of service time prior to September, so he just passed the threshold.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 21, 2011 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
If You Exclude Guerra....
…obviously Lindblom has to be excluded too.
just wanted to confirm that he did use up his rookie status
b/c if he is still a rookie next year then he has to be included. but if not you are right i think he shouldn’t be included
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 21, 2011 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
Clubhouse Confidential is the best baseball show ever
It’s not a high bar, so it clears it by a mile.
Good segment last night on Gil Hodges.
I liked TWIB as a kid, that would take second place.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
In case you haven't noticed, new story
http://www.truebluela.com/2011/11/22/2579694/matt-kemp-mvp-winners-non-playoff-teams
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