Will Matt Kemp Join The List Of Non-Playoff MVP Winners?
by Eric Stephen on Nov 22, 2011 6:00 AM PST
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The National League Most Valuable Player award will be awarded at 11 a.m. PST on Tuesday, and Matt Kemp has a tall order against Ryan Braun of the playoff-bound Milwaukee Brewers. Thanks to a late-season push, the 2011 Dodgers don't carry the moniker of "losing team," but it is unclear if their 82-79 record was enough to boost Kemp's candidacy.
Since the divisional era began in 1995 (it was really 1994, but the World Series was canceled that year so let us never speak of this again), there have been 33 MVPs awarded, including Justin Verlander taking home the American League honors on Monday. Of those 33 MVP winners, 27 came from playoff teams, and all but one came from a winning team.
The teams of the 33 MVP winners since 1995 have a cumulative winning percentage of .573, a 93-win pace over a full season. Here is a look at the six MVP winners in the last 16 years to come from a team that watched the playoffs in October.
Larry Walker, 1997 Colorado Rockies (83-79)
For the second straight season, Dodgers catcher Mike Piazza lost his MVP to a divisional foe, but unlike Ken Caminiti in 1996 Walker didn't see the playoffs. Piazza had likely the greatest offensive season ever by a catcher, hitting .362 with 40 home runs but only managed three first place votes as Walker hit .366/.452/.720 on the moon and got 22 first place votes.
The Dodgers were 88-74 in 1997, finishing two games behind the San Francisco Giants. The highest MVP finishers from a playoff team were Jeff Bagwell (third, including three first place votes) and Craig Biggio (fourth) for the 84-78, NL Central-winning Houston Astros.
Barry Bonds, 2001 San Francisco Giants (90-72)
San Francisco was no slouch 10 years ago with 90 wins, finishing two games behind the division-winning Arizona Diamondbacks. But this was an easy choice, as Bonds set major league records with 73 home runs and an .863 slugging percentage, and his then-record 177 walks helped fuel his .515 on-base percentage. Bonds got 30 of 32 first-place votes, with Sammy Sosa and his 64 home runs for the 88-win Chicago Cubs getting the other two first-place votes.
The highest NL MVP finisher on a playoff team in 2001 was Luis Gonzalez, who had the quietest 57-home runs season in history yet had the last laugh with his season-ending bloop single in Game 7 of the World Series.
Alex Rodriguez, 2003 Texas Rangers (71-91)
After falling short despite having a legitimate claim to as many as four MVP awards, A-Rod finally broke through in what would be his final season in Texas. Rodriguez hit .298/.396/.600 with a league-leading 47 home runs in what was the worst of his three years with the Rangers.
The voting in 2003 was as splintered as you will ever see, with 10 different players receiving a first place vote. Rodriguez had the most first-place votes with six of a possible 28, and beat Carlos Delgado of the Toronto Blue Jays. The highest MVP finisher from a playoff team was third-place Jorge Posada of the New York Yankees, who hit .281/.405/.518 with 30 home runs.
Barry Bonds, 2004 San Francisco Giants (91-71)
Bonds and the Giants fell short of the playoffs thanks to the 93-win Dodgers, but it was hard to deny the .362/.609/.812 line from Bonds, which included a record 232 walks. If the on-base percentage and OPS records weren't enough for Bonds, there were also the 120 intentional walks.
Unfortunately for the Dodgers, Bonds overshadowed perhaps the finest season by a position player in Los Angeles Dodgers history. Adrian Beltre hit .334/.388/.629 and led the league with 48 home runs in his final season as a Dodger. Beltre (10.1) and Kemp (10.0) are the only two Los Angeles Dodger position players to eclipse double digits in Baseball-Reference Wins Above Replacement. Beltre got six first-place votes and finished second to Bonds, who got 24 first-place tallies.
Ryan Howard, 2006 Philadelphia Phillies (85-77)
In his first full season, Howard burst onto the scene with the gaudy numbers of 58 home runs and 149 RBI, both leading the National League, while hitting .313/.425/.659. The Phillies finished 12 games behind the New York Mets. Howard got 20 of 32 first-place votes, beating Albert Pujols, who hit .331/.431/.671 with 49 home runs and 137 RBI for the 83-win yet soon-to-be World Series-winning St. Louis Cardinals.
Albert Pujols, 2008 St. Louis Cardinals (86-76)
The shoe was on the other foot this season, as Pujols and his .357/.462/.653 campaign got 18 first-place votes compared to 12 for Howard, who hit .251/.339/.543 for the division-winning Philadelphia Phillies. Howard had the traditional advantage with 48 home runs and 146 RBI, compared to 37 home runs and 116 RBI for Pujols.
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Looking back at these awards from non-playoff teams, in most cases it appears either a track record or a historically notable season was needed to win the MVP. Whether Matt Kemp's 2011 season was seen as special enough to overcome the Dodgers' lack of postseason play, we will find out later today.
Kemp's best shot might be for Prince Fielder to steal some votes from Braun, though by the end of the regular season the narrative seemed to be more tilted toward Kemp vs. Braun in a two-man race for MVP.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 22, 2011 6:11 AM PST reply actions
Psst
Of those 33 MVP winners, 27 came from playoff teams, and all but one came from alosingwinning team.
I think instead of Prince stealing some votes from Braun helping Kemp, Braun nd Fielder are just as likely to be 1-2 on a lot of ballots, pushing kemp to 3rd on a lot of ballots, making his 1st place votes moot if he doest get enough of them
I was just thinking
how disgusted are the commenters going to be with the number of votes Kemp gets at third place or lower.
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quick question
is RLDR on the 60-day DL?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 22, 2011 7:11 AM PST reply actions
ok thanks( to you and BH)
Just wondering in terms of space on the 40 man
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 22, 2011 7:16 AM PST up reply actions
yes, i got that
though I’m sure he’ll be put back on the 60 day DL sometime in ST.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 22, 2011 7:19 AM PST up reply actions
Right
and I believe that removes him from the 60man, in case someone currently not on it makes the ening day rooster
I like the concept of a 15 minute DL
I might start to employ that in every day life
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 7:37 AM PST up reply actions
The impartial side of me would be absolutely fine with Braun winning because he had a phenomenal season.
The Dodger fan in me will be pissed if Kemp loses and will burn this mutha down (along with Pookie)
I'm prepared to be upset
because I think it will come down to the “Dodgers were never in contention.” BS.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 22, 2011 7:17 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think Verlander was AL MVP (I don’t even think he was Tiger’s MVP), but him getting left completely off a ballot because he’s a pitcher is BS. The argument in the article about it was “I don’t think pitcrs should be eligible. He only plays in 20% of his team’s games. If this were the NFL, hed have only played in three games. I don’t think a quarterback could win NFL MVP if he only played in three games”
I say to get back to this point: the vooting could go an direction because therare voters (or groups of voters) who just 100% don’t understand the game there watching.
I think is was the Dutch vooter who casted the most voots for Verlander
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 7:35 AM PST up reply actions
sounds Canadian
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 22, 2011 7:37 AM PST up reply actions
At least their keyboard works :)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 22, 2011 7:39 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
That argument is so weak. A starting pitcher may pitch in 20% of his team games, but a position player is only involved in at most 11% (1/9 at best) of his teams PAs and something less than that defensively (other than catchers) – some % of balls in play less strikeouts, and a lot of those defensive chances are pretty easy. The starter pitcher has a huge impact in each game his in, unlike any football player, every pitch is difficult and any one could make you or break you. Football makes for a shitty analogy too.
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He also bats 1/9 of the time. ;-)
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From the comments
of an SBNation article on the AL MVP:
I don’t buy that logic.
Ellsbury, for example, had 729 PA, got on base 264 times, which means he was "involved" as a baserunner for at least the player hitting behind him 232 times (after subtracting out 232 home runs), had 388 putouts and 6 assists, God only knows how many times he fielded a ball that wasn’t a putout or assist, or made a long run on a ball only to see the RF or LF field it. He’s contributing FAR more often than a guy who started 35 games.
by Dave Pomerantz on Nov 21, 2011 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Whoops, 32 home runs, not 232 home runs
by Dave Pomerantz on Nov 21, 2011 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Verlander, on the other hand, is pitching. 3941 pitches in 2011 alone. Of those, hitters swung at 47.1% of pitches and made contact 77.9% of the time. That comes out to 1446 pitches which resulted in contact. When Verlander was on the field (not accounting for steal attempts and holding the runner), the fielders didn’t do anything of consequence 63% of the time. This also doesn’t account for times where a pitcher covers first, third, home, takes a cutoff throw, or directs traffic on a pop-up.
You don’t accumulate 7-8 wins as a pitcher by "only playing 20% of the games." A pitcher’s contribution to the outcome of a game is disproportionally higher when they are on the field. If they have a good enough season, they warrant consideration.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don’t think that means what you think it means.
by Solidarity on Nov 21, 2011 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I wasn’t really trying to offer an in-depth analysis, just that it isn’t as simple as “dude only appears in 20% of the games.”
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Plays 20% of the games but the starting pitcher has a much bigger effect on the outcome of the game than any one individual player. So I think it evens out somewhat, or at the very least gets it much closer than the 20% number.
The best starting pitchers will influence 1000 PA a year.
The best hitters will influence 700 PA a year and make about 300 defensive plays.
Easy enough.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
WPA
Takes into account context of team wins and performance in a convoluted way. Here is how the CY and MVP races in the NL would shape up if WPA were the deciding factor. Not saying it should be, just presenting more data points. A few relieft pitchers like Clippard, Axford and Venters were actually up there too.
NL CY Race
Kennedy 4.57
Halladay 3.82
Lee 3.57
Kershaw 3.48
NL MVP Race
Fielder 7.52
Votto 6.69
Kemp 6.43
Braun 6.30
Berkman 5.40
Which makes sense since starting pitchers rarely see the highest leverage situations.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
They also get the opportunity to help create low leverage ones, by sucking and allowing a lot of runs or by dominating and allowing little to no runs – assuming the offense cooperates.
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best hitters… and run the bases 200+ times….
pitchers field too, a little – Kershaw has 47 chances last year.
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Kershaw faced 912 batters last year, didn’t miss a start.
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True – though a pitcher’s PAs usually drag down his value.
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Also, true, I just thought I would include that cause it puts him just under 1000 PA’s. Also we are talking about MVP correct? If a pitcher influences that many plate appearances in a season then they should be considered for MVP in theory and it doesn’t seem like Verlander winning the A.L MVP is all that bad.
The problem is not that a pitcher won an MVP, it’s they decided this was the year it would happen. It’s pretty easy to argue that Kershaw deserves it more than Verlander.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
And that the gaps from Verlander to CC (14th) to Weaver (no votes) shouldn’t be so large if Verlander is that deserving.
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700 PA for a hitter happens a lot more than 1000 PAs for a pitcher (167 times in the last 11 years vs. 12 – 169 pitchers got to 913 batters or more) but that’s not a bad approximation.
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Yeah, I mostly just rounded to make the numbers add up. If you really want to get into minutiae batters have slightly more impact but no one wants to hear that.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Do the instructions by the BBWAA to consider the number of games played?
I don’t know if that’s true but I saw it as a comment on another blog.
If so, it gives the writer the cover to say that he’s following the guidelines of the BBWAA rules.
by Michael White on Nov 22, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
The rules of the voting remain the same as they were written on the first ballot in 1931:
1. Actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense.
2. Number of games played.
3. General character, disposition, loyalty and effort.
4. Former winners are eligible.
5. Members of the committee may vote for more than one member of a team.
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Spud Chandler?
(You know old-time MVP voters luvved their BA.)
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Decent trivia question there. I believe Spud is the only Yankee pitcher to win an MVP.
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And that there was an (unwritten?) rule that a guy couldn’t win twice.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
before my time. I remember watching the Blue Jays play MLB Opening Day one year and Esteban Loaiza throwing strike one down the middle, the hitter taking it, and the ball being taken to cooperstown. I remember Shannon Stewart being mentioned in that game, but can’t for the life of me remember why.
Fuckin kids
and their fuckin keyboards
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FWIW
Rob Neyer thinks Kemp will win.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 22, 2011 7:37 AM PST reply actions
it is not worth much, but nice to hear all the same!
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 7:37 AM PST up reply actions
True/False
If Michael Young were a minority, his two trade requests over moving positions would have outshined anything he’s done at the plate and he would never have gotten an MVP vote.
Young is half-Mexican
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 22, 2011 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
Miguel Jovenes scans as a white dude
If he was black it would have been treated differently. How differently? I dunno
by Lex in Brooklyn on Nov 22, 2011 8:10 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
So was Ted Williams. Perception is a factor.
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didnt juan pierre ask for a trade from us?
people didnt really attack him.. I think work ethic and the perception thereof plays as well.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 22, 2011 8:25 AM PST up reply actions
He didn't demand one
As I recall, Colletti said that he and Pierre discussed it in their post-season meeting and agreed that if Ned could trade JP somewhere where he’d have a chance to start, he’d do it.
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posting seems to be slow
stupid SBNation servers.
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Seems like they spent more time working on the “we’re sorry our site is down” graphic than actually making sure the sites are up.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 22, 2011 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
I like this
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 9:11 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Honestly my favorite part
is his SO/BB ratio this year. YEA BOI
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Wait, let me get my magic glass
so I can read that
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I'm sure Eric mentioned this somewhere berfore but,
ESPN just said we would have the worst win percentage of any team to have both a CYA winner and MVP on the same team.
There's only one thing left to do
Win the whole fucking thing.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 22, 2011 9:22 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Sorry if I skimmed through this tread
and don’t know if it’s been said, but
FUCK BARRY BONDS
They call me the thread killer
by Greg Stephen on Nov 22, 2011 9:35 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
It's not a "who should've won statement?"
just an affirmation of my hatred for Bonds
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by Greg Stephen on Nov 22, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
All of you people not caring if Kyle Russell is taken in the rule 5 draft
make me sad :(
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i dont like the idea of losing a promising player
either.
"Next year, we're definitely going to make the playoffs."
-MVP
I don’t think anyone does.
Which is why no one cares about losing Kyle Russell.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I like Russell,
but this made me laugh
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Nov 22, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
There is a slim chance he’d get selected and a near zero chance that he’d stay on a 25 man all year.
by Michael White on Nov 22, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
about a 100% chance that we would not accept him back for 25,000
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 22, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
If we lose him
I hope he becomes better than Victorino. Well, I suppose I hope that anyway, lol.
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I guess the biggest irritant I have with Verlander winning the MVP is that he had Miggy Cabrera on his team who seems to have had a very underrated season, including being dissed by his MVP/CY Young teammate. And the fact the Jose Bautista exists.
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Michael Young wasn’t the most valuable first baseman named Michael on his team and that didn’t stop someone.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
It tried to get added
to the Olympics in 1994 but didn’t make the cut
I hope for fbihop's sake that's what he sees, too
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Trivia Time
Came across this last night while researching Clayton’s first game. Can anyone give me the Los Angeles Dodger who homered in Clayton Kershaw’s debut game? My contention is that NO ONE could possibly know this answer unless they were at the game and saw it and for some reason it stuck in their memory.
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I'm pretty sure I remember where I was during his debut
but hell if I know who homered
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Maza
"It's a five letter word, S-T-R-I-K-E."
Nice
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 22, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
i was at the game
and i remember that somebody unusual hit a home run, but i can’t remember who it was
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 22, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think I consciusly saw Alex’s response above, but I must have. I don’t know how I’d randomly pick that dude.
by Michael White on Nov 22, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
Your recollection is more impressive than Alex’s since you were not at the game.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 22, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
or infidel?
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by Greg Stephen on Nov 22, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
Besides a couple of days ago I saw you hadn't been on for like 15 days
Wanna play some show soon?
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why thank you, kind sir
How are you feeling about Arkansas this weekend?
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wish our tv would work properly though. Still get picture but no sound, and last night while playig Borderlands the tv would seem to skip, then at one point went to snow for a second.
That can be a good thing for certain games, means you are already muted for the annoying announcers!
Of course that would suck if Vin was calling the game
i don’t think I’ve ever watched a sporting event on mute. That’s a lie I used to watch Dodgers/Braves games on TBS with Vin on the radio, but hated the timing difference.
I do it with Fox Saturday and Sunday Night games all the time. I listen to music and mute the game.
by Michael White on Nov 22, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
It’d be perfect if there were a middle ground park sound option, so at least you don’t miss a big play
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Haven’t they had that for Laker games sometimes? One Fox Sports channel had the normal announcers, the other one had just the arena sounds?
yup, that has been done. Won’t be able to do that next year, with the two Time Warner channels being one English and one Spanish
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
BTW
Did you know there was a professional baseball league in England (Derby in particular) back in the 19th Century?
by Michael White on Nov 22, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
and that Derby County played in a stadium called the Base Ball Grounds up through the 1980s : )
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
I actually did know that, but I assumed it was just a misnomer. I didn’t think they actually played baseball there.
by Michael White on Nov 22, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
did you know the first mention of Base Ball in print is in Jane Austen’s Northanger Abbey?
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
I call
Josie fact
it was mentioned in a child’s book of games 50 years before Jane wrote that book
and was written in a Penn town lay 10 years before that book
but nice try
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
I had a Penn Town lay once
It wasn’t all rthat
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fucking law Marty
and recently finished some book called Baseball in the Garden of Eden or something like that
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
not sure what a Penn town lay is
but at least Josie Phacts are now down to incomplete truths, from the out and out made up stuff it started as
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
That child's book
HJ probably refers to, from the OED:
Little Pretty Pocket-bk. (ed. 10) sig. C4v, Base-Ball. The Ball once struck off, Away flies the Boy To the next destin’d Post, And then Home with Joy.
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
baseball is the American past time because we stuck with it and refined the rules, but we did not invent it
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Okay, I’ll just assume you’ve already got all this ground covered.
/slumps shoulders and walks away
by Michael White on Nov 22, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
No, no slumping!
I appreciated the chance to speak on it : )
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
The wikipedia article I read suggested that baseball was a more popular sport in the Derby area for a narrow window. Then soccer took off and baseball died. You buying that?
by Michael White on Nov 22, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
The Baseball Ground was only actually used for baseball for ten years before the turn of the century. So yes, but that was before national organized sports were really a thing in the UK or the US
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
It’s complicated, since a league of English county cricket clubs evolved rather than was created. Counties were playing each other as far back as 1709, records kept since 1720, championships claimed and awarded since at least 1825, and published in newspapers since 1873. The first official league championship with rules was in 1890 or 1891, depending.
In the US, official baseball leagues are older, of course. The NL dates from 1876, with the National Association going back to 1870.
Okay. Fine. I will make everybody a mix tape/playlist.
by Michael White on Nov 22, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
You can choose the songs, but I’d like a cassette please.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 22, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
Delias thinks I listen to lame shit. So me making him a mixtape would be a way for him to laugh at me. But the tape will be a view into my soul.
by Michael White on Nov 22, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
It's my pandora station of choice the last 6 months
Great to sing along to in the car
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Well
lat least you got a kick-ass Christmas list
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Who the hell was
Luis Maza?
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Another random guy that hit .380 in AAA and people fell in love with.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
Another random guy that hit .380 in AAA and people fell in love with.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
Just wait until Brian Busher sets Albequrque on fire this April.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
If anyone was destined
to be a minor leaguer
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Good man.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
There are some hilarious names in that box score, for both teams. My boy Brian Barton started for St. Louis!
Broxton got a blow save as the set up guy, because he inherited a runner at 3rd with one out and gave up a sac fly. He probably deserves it though for allowing pinch-hitter Aaron Miles to do it.
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You are welcome for the set up.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Westchester Comet Brian Barton. He almost made the fourth major leaguer to have the pleasure of playing against me in high school, but he was too young.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Interned where I work, though I do not think I met him.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
last year my grandmother’s closet worked well, but I gotta find a different sweater for this year. Ebay has lots and lots of options.
Are ugly Christmas sweaters
the new fruitcake?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I read that as you going to
Billyum’s grandmother’s closet
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by Greg Stephen on Nov 22, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
Wilson Valdez was kind of like a Luis Maza and Valdez at this moment is the Phillie shortstop.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
speaking of Maza, who has an Abuela who makes kick ass tamales this time of year?
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
My entire family gets together somewhere around Christmas and makes like 12 dozen tamales.
I am exempt because I don’t like red chile and so do not like tamales.
I have a friend
who is half Mexican, half Italian. We call him the worst Mexican in the world
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
that is a shame, lot’s of good food to work with
I have some partial Italian friends who came from families that didn’t cook well…we don’t really consider them real Italians. To us identity is more culture than ancestry, and to us CULTURE IS FOOD
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Thats the best combination you could ever be in this world food wise… if you get to eat authentic mexican food from one side, and then authentic italian food on the other, there is nothing better, NOTHING!
by uschris0304 on Nov 22, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
He's from Chicago
his mom is the Mexican side and she basically turned into an Italian to make his dad happy.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
understandable – that can happen
a shame though, at least they got half the equation right
there are plenty half Irish / half Italian kids on the east who never grew up eating any Irish food. This is a good thing.
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
I have friends, from two different families that are “green beans”. They both had Mexican dads and Irish moms, so with those Latin family names, they did nicely in the college scholarship arena, etc.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
curious that it’s common enough to have a slang term. I know some Mexican neighborhoods used to be Irish, didn’t realize there was that much intermarrying.
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
ha, thats funny, because one of my best friends is basically married to a mexican chick, born in mexico, and she has gone Italian too. Cooks mostly italian food now. I guess if italians and mexicans date, Italian food rules.
by uschris0304 on Nov 22, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
I once dated a girl for awhile with that ethnic background. Smoking figure.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
There's still time
wait.
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
me?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 22, 2011 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
yeah that is pretty fake of you to not like tamales. I had some mexican dudes at my work that didnt like frijoles, what the fuck? But I guess im a fake gringo, because they call me mexican at work, I love all that shit. Tacos de lengua, pozole, chilequiles, birria, menudo, and any kinda chile you got, bring it son.
by uschris0304 on Nov 22, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
you ever get a nice breakfast burrito from the food truck?
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
no, it was a food truck that comes to my work man… those are fine… I just dont need 50 food trucks blocking my shit is all… The local liquor store guy is with me though, told me they are done til summer.
by uschris0304 on Nov 22, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
slippery slope
turning a jihad into a judgement call is bad form
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
yeah, if they dont leave peacefully, Im going to recruit some suicide truck bombers.
by uschris0304 on Nov 22, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Or maybe someone can let me borrow an RPG, Ill take care of it myself.
by uschris0304 on Nov 22, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Now you are on my frequency. I love all of those too. Pozoles are the absolute best.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
I get mine at
Sandra y Lolitas Tamales on Whittier blvd, just east of Atlantic. They are right across the strett from Tacos Baja Ensenada. Takeout only and there tends to be long lines. I love their tamales because they seem to be “juicier” than most.
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
good to know
took a Tamale class that my wife signed up for over the weekend at a place in Silverlake called “Tarasco’s” fucking delicious
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Another good spot for Tamale's
Totally hipster, but they catered a work event I was at a few years back, and were really excellent.
http://mamashottamales.com/index_LosAngeles.html
There is a family in Whittier I know who also does em up nice and a lot…
Man, I’m gonna miss LA
by Lex in Brooklyn on Nov 22, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
I can go a wispy beard if that makes it cheaper to buy them from the Hipster joint
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Hey Marty, while your here
You have got to and try the Oxtail over at Joan and Sisters Belizean restaurant on Western and Adams….they also have this condiment, that is diced onions and habaneros soaked in vinegar…love my Belizenos….
http://www.yelp.com/biz/joan-and-sisters-restaurant-los-angeles
the bad reviews are done by trolls trying to get you to give your business to Tracey’s down the street…Belizean infighting.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Nov 22, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
greasy and huge
I find them delicious….I used to live in a mostly Belizean part of South Central, got em homemade only. Never had em from a restaurant.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Nov 22, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
until recently i worked with belizeans
they bought them out of some lady’s trunk on 12th and alvarado.
An ex of mine who was Salvadorean
had a mom who made really good tamales…had green olives in em
by Lex in Brooklyn on Nov 22, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Colombian Tamales
with the Chicken bone in them are tasty too
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I love the pupusas y nopales. Mmmm.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
seriously, pupusas are the shit…. ive had nopales before but never on a pupusas… I want to try that now.
by uschris0304 on Nov 22, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Pico Union on a Sunday
Evangelical Pupusas
by Lex in Brooklyn on Nov 22, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
damn good pupusas as the Sunday AM Ivar farmers market
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Theres a Church
on Crenshaw that used to do BBQ on Sunday’s that was really good. Not sure if it still happens
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I love Oxtail
got amazing braised oxtail at Jar.
Which is kick ass, incredibly expensive, and I saw Gail Simmons there
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
I thought oxtail is supposed to be peasant food? Another thing usurped by yuppies?
I have childhood memories of my mom making a big pot of oxtail and lentil soup as a meal stretcher.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
They’re coming after neckbones and pig tail next
by Lex in Brooklyn on Nov 22, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
as kids we used to fight over the turkey and chicken necks in my mothers soup
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
You better Belize it!
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
The 19th was Garifuna Settlement Day
A fun day in LA given we have the largest Belizean/Garifuna community in the states…
Get that fish and okra stew with freshly mashed green plantains….you can see em doing it with the staff and mortar thing. The stew has a cocnut milk base… really effin’ good
by Lex in Brooklyn on Nov 22, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
they seem to use coconut milk instead of water in all recipies
i like the red bean and rice dish cooked in coconut milk
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Family ties
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Played for the Giants once.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 22, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
I remember you had a huge mancrush on Hector Luna. I think he played in 2009 rather than 2008 though.
by Michael White on Nov 22, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
Mancrush is strong, I just felt he could do for nothing what teams pay the Miles of the world to do.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 22, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
and just thought it strange that Luna never got another chance while the Miles of the world always find themselves on major league rosters.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 22, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Switch-hitting is sexy.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Whoa, looks like HUGE changes to the draft coming if the sudden explosion of tweets is any indication.
Picking a random tweet:
No more major-league contracts for draft picks
Also, if you sign your pick for over the slot, you lose a draft pick. Fifteen percent over the slot, you lose your 1st round pick the next year.
Also, if you sign your pick for over the slot, you lose a draft pick. Fifteen percent over the slot, you lose your 1st round pick the next year.
Hahaha suck it Pirates!
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Zach Lee would be on LSU with this rule.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
@MSTI: David Wright’s great gazoo helmet is mandatory in 2013.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
sweet – makes bobble heads real life depictions
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
For now:
2.9 million cap on international signing
Cap on total draft spending
Drafted players must sign minor league deals
Paying Clint Barmes 11 million is still cool
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Uh, wow: DKnobler:
Teams with the worst records get the most money to sign international players. Other teams can exceed limits, but lose rights in future yrsDan Barbarisi:
Very interesting addition to CBA: lowest revenue/smallest market teams get extra draft picks at the end of 1st two rounds.
Do they get more money to sign them?
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
And who cares about a third round pick since signability picks don’t exist anymore.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
I think there is going to be a cap on how much they can spend on international players? Not sure, but everyone is freaking out about it.
2.9 million cap on amateur international signings. Looks like that may be more flexible for bad teams.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
Doesn’t if the same rules apply to Japan and Cuba.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
I only like it if they put someone up in a booth
who makes the call, bypassing the gusy on the field. Otherwise its gonna take forever
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I remember Hollywood Joe asking about this last month I believe
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KEMvP shirts
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My favorite weird quirk so far
per Shaikin:
MLB rosters to expand to 26 for “certain regular or split doubleheaders.”
How will they define "certain regular" games?
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Perhaps this means they’re going to start scheduling double-headers?
by Michael White on Nov 22, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Yah, I was just lamely making fun of the wording
That would be my guess, too. A few scheduled DHs would be cool.
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Logistically that seems tough and it would favor the squads whos minor league teams are closeby.
For example, the Dodgers only get rained out on the east coast, but bringing somebody from the PCL to the East Coast after a game goes late is really tough. However, the Pirates would easily be able to grab a guy from their affilate in Scranton.
by Michael White on Nov 22, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Webster will be coming up from Chattanooga though.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
I read that as “regular doubleheaders,” i.e. ones with 30 minutes in between
by Eric Stephen on Nov 22, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
I’m seeing a “social media policy” which can’t be good.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Getting Dee off Twitter is a nice side effect.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
The new CBA makes my head hurt
Seems like there’s a mix of some cool and good stuff, and some really questionable ideas. Also vets selling out the young ’uns. But whatever.
Games will now take 4 hours with extra replay, but I’m sure we’ll be happy about that at least a couple of times a season.
Lastly… I’ve become copacetic about the MVP. Still hoping for Kemp victory but in a pleasant surprise kind of way.
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awman, I just like double triponed. Good morning everyone!
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
that would be an awesome in-stadium meme, but you’d have to go all out opening the game with the title theme and celebrating home runs with yub yub
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
no it wouldn’t
the less Star Wars the better
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
They already play the Mario coin sound at the Jake for runs, I figured for a place like that, not at any real stadium
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
This link is currently the old CBA
http://mlbplayers.mlb.com/pa/pdf/cba_english.pdf
But I would imagine very soon will contain the updated version. A very handy document to have if you are into the minutiae of baseball.
So no more HS pitchers?
Gonna be weird drafting college juniors/seniors from now on…
by Julio Nievas on Nov 22, 2011 10:39 AM PST via mobile reply actions
why do you say that?
i didn’t see that change?
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 22, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
I thought like Julio did. College pitchers would be the big beneficiary of this. Teams won’t bother drafting players they can’t get signed at slot so high school pitchers will just go to college.
by Michael White on Nov 22, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Julio is overstating it
but with a cap on draft spending there will almost certainly be fewer high schoolers drafted, since they won’t be “bought out” of college with an overslot deal.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 22, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
I like this one
from Shaikin:
All-Star Game participation required unless player is injured or excused by commissioner.
That’ll raise the level of competition.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Dear Bud,
Please excuse A-Rod from the All Star game, he has a sore footie
Love,
A-Rod’s Mum
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Dear Bud
Timmy can’t come to the all-star game because he is sad
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
he’s got that 24 hour bipolar that’s been going around
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Funny you should mention because Timmy also has a prescription to treat his glaucoma
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
“Hey Derek, bet I can do more shots than you before the game”
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Dammit Selig, enough with the all-star game already.
by Michael White on Nov 22, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
So glad the owners have saved themselves
from themselves!
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An English boss I once had
pronounced it Man-day_tory
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did he say “schedule” with all that spit in the mouth
the way they say that word makes me want to throw up
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
He did!
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
He also told his boss
to fuck off in an email and cc’d about 100 people. He was gone the next day.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Fuck man, everyone gonna be lookin like Space Balls out there.
by uschris0304 on Nov 22, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
It'll make
the walk-off helmet slam more fun
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the only rationale I can think of is that the player’s association assumes if teams aren’t spending on the draft and IFAs, they’ll put that money into MLB free agents.
The other thing is that it is viewed as a concession by the players even though it does nothing to hurt their current crop, and (presumably) allowed the players to get something from the owners in another part of the CBA.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 22, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Looking at the MLB landscape, I can’t believe the large market teams would be able to pull this off without giving money to the small and mid-market teams as compensation, which then just makes no sense whatsoever.
Pirates owner: “thank god this will cut down on the crazy spending we’ve done on the draft”
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Can’t tweet more than 100 times an hour. Sorry, Dee Gordon RT @BizballMaury MLB Players subject to a policy governing use of Social Media
by Eric Stephen on Nov 22, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Less tobacco
When fans are permitted in ballpark, players, managers and coaches must conceal tobacco products and may not carry tobacco products.
Opportunity is knocking
we should make a coffee bean chew – bitter dip like subtsance that gives an engery type buzz for ballplayers
has a spit component or you can swallow, depending on your preference (easy Bevis)
who is a food chemist here?
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
you’d want to do something to flavor and make them chewier – they gotta last
but shit – I would dip me some coffee while I was playing. That would be AWESOME
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
I think it has to work with being wrapped in bubble gum too.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
You only do that with leaf tobacco,
not dip
They call me the thread killer
by Greg Stephen on Nov 22, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
We need to make both a fine coffee snuff and a coarse shredded bean!
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Just add some nicotine
to that bitch and you got a product
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
right?
I am a fairly successful B 2 B guy my whole career, but this is the consumer idea that would break my nest egg and leave me destitute
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Does the outline of the round snuff can in the back pocket count or not count as “concealed”?
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
in the same way that pixels over a finger conceal a rude gesture : )
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
you don’t know, he could be wanking it under those pixels. It introduces doubt : p
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Anyone that refers to their fine as a “tobacco chewin fund” is okay by me.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Lots of changes for a CBA that seemed to get done pretty easily
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Anyone else afraid
that people like Zach Lee will just play football instead of baseball now?
The best athletes have choices
Wasn’t Kemp recruited for basketball?
The most effect will be with players that want to improve their draft position by playing college ball instead.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Who doesn’t want to play for the Dodgers!?
"Next year, we're definitely going to make the playoffs."
-MVP
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by uschris0304 on Nov 22, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
doesn't make it any better
20 votes first place votes…who knew the biggest stat of all was just making the playoffs…
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not getting your hopes up does make it better, act.
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
FUCK THOSE SIX ASSHOLES.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
someone was right about fielder getting votes ahead of kemp
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Kemp is MVP of our hearts.
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That at least sounds close. Or close-ish.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
it feels so much less close
How many third place votes did Braun get?
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I’m sure the new post tells us.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
I was wrong!
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
It does link it though.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Kemp lost when he should have won, Kershaw dominated what should have been very very close. Let’s call it even.
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NO! I WANT IT ALL!
/VerucaSalt
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Daddy! I wanted the whole golden goose, not just most of it! Come on, you got Etheir a Gold Glove!
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
I feel like BECAUSE Kershaw dominated it wasn't all that close with Kemp
stupid universe
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No kidding…was just thinking the same thing. Dude usually only has one in the can.
by KellyStephen on Nov 22, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
I heard he puts a lot into the can.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
and two in the bush
They call me the thread killer
by Greg Stephen on Nov 22, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
heard this
Call the plumber baby, I think I’m going crash
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
its ok dudes
braun has same numbers.. only he cant play defense or run the bases.. its legit
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 22, 2011 11:02 AM PST reply actions
Hopefully this is motivation
For Kemp to come out in 2012 and top the 2011 season
by Dodgerblue8188 on Nov 22, 2011 11:03 AM PST reply actions
1 HR would have made his season “special” and the MVP more of a sure thing, IMO. Crazy that that could have been the difference.
No.
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