Matt Kemp Finishes Second In National League MVP Race
by Eric Stephen on Nov 22, 2011 11:03 AM PST
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Matt Kemp of the Los Angeles Dodgers had an outstanding season in 2011, but it wasn't quite enough to win the National League Most Valuable Player award. Ryan Braun of the Milwaukee Brewers was named the 2011 National League MVP, capturing 20 of 32 first-place votes from the Baseball Writers Association of America. Kemp finished second, garnering 10 first-place votes.
| Rank | Name | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | 6th | 7th | 8th | 9th | 10th | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Ryan Braun | 20 | 12 | 388 | ||||||||
| 2 | Matt Kemp | 10 | 16 | 6 | 332 | |||||||
| 3 | Prince Fielder | 1 | 4 | 11 | 9 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 229 | ||
| 4 | Justin Upton | 1 | 8 | 11 | 6 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 214 | ||
| 5 | Albert Pujols | 1 | 6 | 11 | 6 | 4 | 2 | 166 | ||||
| 6 | Joey Votto | 4 | 3 | 2 | 8 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 135 | ||
| 7 | Lance Berkman | 1 | 2 | 6 | 3 | 7 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 118 | ||
| 8 | Troy Tulowitzki | 3 | 4 | 8 | 5 | 4 | 69 | |||||
| 9 | Roy Halladay | 1 | 1 | 1 | 6 | 2 | 3 | 52 | ||||
| 10 | Ryan Howard | 1 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 39 | ||||
| 11 | Jose Reyes | 1 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 3 | 31 | |||||
| 12 | Clayton Kershaw | 1 | 1 | 2 | 5 | 2 | 29 | |||||
| 13 | Shane Victorino | 3 | 3 | 3 | 18 | |||||||
| 14 | Ian Kennedy | 1 | 2 | 1 | 16 | |||||||
| 15 | Cliff Lee | 2 | 1 | 1 | 12 | |||||||
| 16 | Hunter Pence | 1 | 1 | 1 | 10 | |||||||
| 17 | Pablo Sandoval | 1 | 1 | 7 | ||||||||
| 17 | John Axford | 1 | 2 | 7 | ||||||||
| 19 | Michael Morse | 1 | 1 | 5 | ||||||||
| 20 | Carlos Beltran | 1 | 3 | |||||||||
| 21 | Miguel Montero | 1 | 2 | |||||||||
| 21 | Yadier Molina | 2 | 2 | |||||||||
| 23 | Starlin Castro | 1 | 1 | |||||||||
| 23 | Craig Kimbrel | 1 | 1 | |||||||||
| 23 | Carlos Ruiz |
1 | 1 | |||||||||
| 23 | Mike Stanton |
1 | 1 |
Clayton Kershaw got one fifth place vote and was named on 11 of 32 ballots, finishing 12th, notably three spots behind Roy Halladay, who finished well behind Kershaw in the Cy Young balloting (by different voters).
| Dodgers NL MVP Winners | ||
| Player | Year | |
| Jake Daubert | 1913 | |
| Dazzy Vance | 1924 | |
| Dolph Camilli | 1941 | |
| Jackie Robinson | 1949 | |
| Roy Campanella | 1951 | |
| Roy Campanella | 1953 | |
| Roy Campanella | 1955 | |
| Don Newcombe | 1956 | |
| Maury Wills | 1962 | |
| Sandy Koufax | 1963 | |
| Steve Garvey | 1974 | |
| Kirk Gibson | 1988 | |
Kemp had a season for the ages in 2011. He flirted with the first Triple Crown in the National League in 64 years, within .003 of the batting average lead with six games remaining in the season, and came up just one home run shy of becoming the fifth member of the 40/40 club. Kemp tied for 11th fastest to join the 30/30 club, joining Raul Mondesi as the only Dodger members of that club.
Kemp did lead the league in home runs (39), runs batted in (126), runs scored (115), total bases (353), adjusted OPS+ (171), and both versions of Wins Above Replacement (10.0 or 8.7, whichever you prefer).
He also hit three walk-off home runs on the season.
Kemp hit .324/.399/.586, becoming the first Dodgers center fielder to slug .500 since Duke Snider. Kemp was also the first player to finish in the top two in his league in both home runs and stolen bases since Hank Aaron in 1963.
Kemp has already been honored this season with the National League Hank Aaron Award, given annually to the top offensive performer in each league, the Baseball America Major League Player of the Year, and the Players Choice Award for Outstanding Player in the National League. Kemp was named to the Sporting News NL All-Star team, and won both a Silver Slugger and Gold Glove, something he also did in 2009.
For his efforts, Kemp was rewarded with the largest contract in National League history, an eight-year, $160 million pact designed to keep him in Los Angeles through 2019.
I thought I was being optimistic in March when I wrote that Kemp was due for a bounce back in 2011:
No matter the reason, Kemp seems primed for a rebound this season. I can't help but note that even in a down year, Kemp hit 28 home runs. I am fully on board the Kemp comeback train, and I think he surpasses those projections above. I'll guess .286/.349/.509 for Kemp with 35 home runs.
Kemp blew past those projections with ease, but it wasn't quite enough to win the MVP.
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if only matt kemp could play all 9 positions at once and will his team into the playoffs
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 22, 2011 11:04 AM PST reply actions
I am both bummed and not bothered by this
I had low expectations related to the award
I love Matty all the same and he is ours until he is old and frail
I call this a WIN
I'm nonpullsed to be honest
I’m more worried about getting to listen to people complain about this for the next 50 years.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Did you mean nonplused?
Which actually means surprised and confused
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
So you’re plussed?
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Peruse
is a word that doesn’t mean what you think it does
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
yes, but popular usage means to look over casually
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
true story
“peruse at your leisure” sounds cooler than “read it later, we’ve got shit to do”
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
I peruse the main post
than peruse the comments
by TurnItDown on Nov 22, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
more succinct
DGAF
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
you don’t care, but you’re not careless
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
How do you know Eric didn't have 2 drafts :)
by Julio Nievas on Nov 22, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Guess on my part.
He was never a boy scout.
by KellyStephen on Nov 22, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Congrats to Ryan Braun for having better teammates.
Fucking voters still stuck in 1959.
by UCLADodger32 on Nov 22, 2011 11:06 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
ye olde touchstones
face it, if kershaw didnt win 20 or more he wouldnt have won the cy, no playoffs for kemp – no mvp
this is the stupid world we live in
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 22, 2011 11:06 AM PST reply actions
That might be the most depressing part of the vote.
The fact that people that cover the game for a living are so clueless is truly sad.
by UCLADodger32 on Nov 22, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
At least Michael Young didnt get an NL vote from Evan Grant!
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The last time Albert Pujols didn’t receive a first place MVP vote was in 2007, when Jimmy Rollins won. Pujols finished 9th.
Who has a list of the votes
I’d like to see the whole picture
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by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Doesn’t break it down by voter, though. But we’ll find out by mid afternoon who was dumb enough to vote Kemp 3rd.
and let the tarring and feathering begin
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
No third place votes for Braun
My head is going to explode.
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why would he get a 3rd place vote?
if it wasn’t going to be kemp it was obviously braun
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
this is not as sad as the end of China Town
and that was written off with a sentence
I feel the same about this
Forget it Joe, it’s Baseball Writer Town.
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
if my aunt had balls she would have been my uncle
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Physically impossible
She can’t be your aunt AND your uncle. Unless they have some kind of new artificial insemination that can put your own semen into your own eggs. errrr, wait, are you using hyperbole? Nevermind:-(
Ryan Howard finished 10th, with a 4th place vote
according to fWAR, he was the 14th most valuable Phillie
my favorite movie
the horror, the horror
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Must be nice to bat in front of Fielder :/
by Dodgerblue8188 on Nov 22, 2011 11:14 AM PST reply actions
and suck to be behind him in the buffet line
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Who cares, he passes by all the meat dishes.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Just looking at very traditional offensive stats for MVP candidates
I wonder how many times the league leader in HR, RBIs and Runs Scored (not to mention 3rd in BA) didn’t win the MVP?
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by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
I don't know how many times
but just last year, Pujols led in those three categories, was 6th in BA at .312 and finished 2nd with the only first-place vote that didn’t go to Joey Votto. Votto’s OPS was about .012 higher, and I assume helped by playing his home games in the Great American Hitters Park.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Can I get a hell yeaaaah?
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
that's betches to you sir
consult your GF for details
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
we're also better looking
so, whatever.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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Clayton Kershaw got one 5th place vote
must’ve been another guy from San Diego
For a moment I misread your user name as
a songco scout
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
I now like the Braves a little more.
@ajcbraves:
Honestly, how did Kemp not win MVP? The dude was 1 HR and 1 OBP point from being 40-40-.400 guy w/ NL-highs of 115 runs, 126 RBI. C’mon.
One voter left Prince Fielder off his ballot completely, another gave him a 10th place vote. Kemp, Braun and Upton only ones to be named on all 32 ballots.
Fielder was on 32 ballots.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I think Pujols in 5th place
is the highest vote getter without being on all the ballots – left off two.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Whatever...
This just means that Brewers fans should be just fine with having MVP Braun and watching Prince go sign with another team.
So here’s what I don’t get. Kemp was clearly the better player than Braun. I don’t think anyone doubts that he performed at the higher level. But some people argue that Braun’s performance counts more since his team was better, making his performance more “valuable.” Blah blah his team doesn’t make the playoffs without him. I’m more or less ok with that. But five people decided that not only was Braun more valuable than Kemp, but Fielder was too. So if two guys on the same team are that “valuable,” then doesn’t that contradict the notion that playoffiness defines value?
Also, people kept talking about how the Dodgers were bad, but they had a winning record.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
If people said the Dodgers were mediocre, would you feel better?
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
They were average.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
that’s what mediocre means, near the median
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
mediocre adj of moderate or low quality, value, ability, or performance
(Webster’s Dictionary)
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Moderate: average in amount, intensity, quality or degree
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Hahah
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Nov 22, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
“having average or less than average quality”
Mediocre is average-to-below-average. A winning record is above average. You’re arguing semantics incorrectly.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
you have no idea how much fun this debate is for me : )
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
you said average, all I did was point out that average was not a counter to mediocre
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Mediocre is a loaded term. It is average-to-below. Above-average, albeit not by much, is not mediocre.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
the Dodgers did this season what the majority of the teams in Major League Baseball do every year, have absolutely no impact on the final month. That’s not an above-average team.
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
They scored more runs than they gave up. They were a better-than-average team. I believe the Pythag was over .500 before the actual team was. The bad luck from the early season normalized.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
So the Dodgers did average. They got a C. Fuck Cs.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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some people just take the easy narrative
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
People stopped paying attention to the Dodger's record in June
and didn’t realize they actually kicked ass mid-July on.
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It's annoying to me (and some other's, clearly)
that people keep saying the Dodgers were horrible. For a point, they were. They ended up average. Recognition is always nice.
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I'll try to put my MVP voter hat on
Without Braun, the Dodgers don’t make the playoffs.
Without Kemp, the Dodgers still don’t make the playoffs. Assumign making the playoffs is the only thing that matters, Kemp had no value.
/I tried my best
by Michael White on Nov 22, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Gotta say, I’m not really bummed by this and I kind of expected it. It’s not like Kemp was robbed by a completely undeserving player. Braun had a great season with “MVP caliber” numbers
by court168627 on Nov 22, 2011 11:36 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Agreed
I don’t have a real problem with Braun winning the award. I thought Kemp was better and should have won, but it’s certainly not a travesty by any means.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 22, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
I’m down with a cockpunch for the people who voted Kemp third.
I’m not that reasonable :)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 22, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I like “cockpunch” as a verb
I abhor it as a party drink
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry, that was sexist. For any female voters who voted Kemp third, a punch to the nether regions as well.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 22, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
careful, swing too hard and you are up to your elbows in problems
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Fister didn’t get any votes.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
and here I thought cockpunch as a party drink was the funnier comment
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Just visit their houses
and punch their cats.
I will buy them kittens
so you can punch them
I am a reasonable fuck about this too
I wish I had some of that holy anger going on right now – that holy anger is fun!
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Also, Pujols keeps his top ten MVP streak alive, which,, at one point this season, looked unlikely
by court168627 on Nov 22, 2011 11:38 AM PST via mobile reply actions
From the linked BBWAA article
Kemp is keeping pretty good company in the Dodger pantheon (I know Eric had the list from the time the MVP became a league instead of an MLB award):
Other Dodgers runners-up for MVP were Sandy Koufax in 1965 and ’66, Mike Piazza in 1996 and ’97, Pete Reiser in 1941, Dixie Walker in 1946, Duke Snider in 1955, Sal Maglie in 1956, Steve Garvey in 1978 and Adrian Beltre in 2004.
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In 1996, I imagine you’d find out the voting order in the LA Times. Take it into work and slam it onto your desk, maybe discuss your outrage at the coffee station
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 22, 2011 6:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Still more pissed off
about Larry Walker in ’97 then Braun this year.
Interesting other CBA stuff
Per Tony Jackson:
Article XX(B) free agents signing minor league contracts who are not added to the Opening Day roster or unconditionally released 5 days prior to Opening Day shall receive an additional $100,000 retention bonus and the right to opt out on June 1.
No, it means an Eveland type gets an extra $100,000 to stick around in the organization, plus the right to become a FA on June 1 if he isn’t on the major league team.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 22, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
well thats what I mean
he could have just walked away on june 1st
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I like Braun and like some of you am not flabbergasted or blown away by the vote
but still disappointed. Still feel like Matt Kemp was best hitter in National League this year, had monster season in a pitcher’s park and the award should go to best overall player, not best player on playoff team. But again, that said, it’s hard to argue with Braun winning, too.
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Oh I agree. I still think he should've won... Just understand why at least people voted for Braun
while I don’t get some of the other votes today and yesterday. Still, like Matt Kemp’s mom, I’m a bit heartbroken. :(
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Actual Matt Kemp's mom:
Re Shaikin retweet:
From Matt Kemp’s mom: @dodger27mom: Congrats to Ryan Braun. He had a phenomenal year! But beware next year!
You can argue with Braun winning.
You just can’t argue he wasn’t deserving. Braun was deserving, Kemp was more deserving. Sad :(
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Nov 22, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
This was before the season, too.
It’s even funnier now.
"Vick’s 100x the player Warner was.
Desean’s not quite at Holts level.
McCoy’s giving Faulk a run for his money.
Maclin’s better than Bruce.
"Warner never took over games."
Signed, wild_eagle - the most delusional person in the entire universe.
by douchiedude on Nov 22, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
If anyone else was in Kemp’s shoes. I’d be very very happy that Braun (local boy, Member of the Tribe, small market, college educated, all-around good guy) won. But he had to go and beat our guy. Jerk.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Sorry if I missed discussion, but do Dodgers lose Type B comp pick for Barajas now
under new CBA?
Bummer, if so.
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Disappointed however
I take solace in the fact that we actually had the best pitcher and best hitter in the NL this season. Also, pretty happy we have said hitter locked up for years to come. Now if we can only get some other players that know how to hit the damn ball!
i wanna see the numbers if they switch parks
and kemp has fielder hitting behind him and braun has JUAN rivera and loney
and this completely ignores the fact that kemp plays a middle of the diamond position
versus braun who plays the easiest position besides first…
by matthewmafa on Nov 22, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
So is fangraphs gonna flip their shit about this like when Kershaw won?
Because Braun deserved it less than Kershaw did.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 22, 2011 12:03 PM PST reply actions
I don't really care about awards voted on by the baseball writers of America or whatever
they’re mostly wrong so who cares
by Lex in Brooklyn on Nov 22, 2011 12:07 PM PST reply actions
Heh, Bison has the right spirit
TheRealMattKemp Matt Kemp
Big Big S/O 2 my homeboy Mr. MVP Ryan Braun. Where we partying at?
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hahaha ofcourse he does man, he has 160 million reasons to have the right spirit. Im convinced fans care more about this stuff then the players do.
by uschris0304 on Nov 22, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
A coworker of mine (seattle fan)
Thinks there should be an award of the best overall player that eliminates the playoff stigma, and Kemp would have easily won it.
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I think he heard people on XM radio saying MOP award, haha
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Well, Kemp won the Hank Aaron Award AND the Gold Glove, so he’d have to be the best player, right?
/grasping at straws
Matt won that this year,
it is called the Hank Aaron award.
You know before 1969, only one team from each league actually won anything so it was often more who was the best player rather than a player who played on the pennant winning team.
From 1969-1993, you had two winners in each league but that still didn’t guarantee that an MVP would be from one of those two teams.
And from 1995-present, you now have four winners in each league to choose from but you have had MVPs from non-playoff teams a little less than 20% of the time.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 22, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Except Mark Ellis
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 22, 2011 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
Voters that let team record influence their vote
are putting too much interpretation into the word “value”. The “that is” in rule one tells you how to define value.
The rules of the voting remain the same as they were written on the first ballot in 1931:
1. Actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense.
2. Number of games played.
3. General character, disposition, loyalty and effort.
4. Former winners are eligible.
5. Members of the committee may vote for more than one member of a team.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
I think Kemp has a better contract then Braun does right now… So he is probably like you go ahead and take the MVP, and ill take more money.
by uschris0304 on Nov 22, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
You made me go look
He gets a little future bump for this MVP. In his five-year extension signed this spring:
# 16:$19M, 17:$19M, 18:$19M, 19:$18M, 20:$16M, 21:$15M mutual option ($4M buyout)
# price of option may increase to $20M based on MVP, Silver Slugger, Gold Glove awards (if earned, award escalators are deferred without interest)
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
At the end of the
day, MVPs and winning World Series is what people remember.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 22, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
I’m even fuzzy on MVPs. Who won it last year? I dunno. Bill Sayers?
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Mark Davis!
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
He never won an MVP. He was CY.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Ah, whatever.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
He’s no Dick Groat.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Or Zoilo Versalles.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
I mentioned it in these very comments somewhere.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Huh huh, huh huh, you said vato, huh huh, huh huh.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
I’m even fuzzy on MVPs. Who won it last year? I dunno. Bill Sayers?
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Spud Chandler!
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Jim Loney is a more delusional than G.Scott
Congrats to my boy @RyanBraun on the #nlmvp. Told you I’m taking it from you next year. We got to crank up the workouts soon
Jim has a better chance of winning the NL MVP next year than G. does.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Are they changing leagues too?
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
I assumed Loney meant physically taking Braun’s MVP trophy
by Eric Stephen on Nov 22, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I dunno, there’s a market for that.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Prince Fielder in “The Prince of Thighs.”
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
co-starring Chad Billingsley as “His Royal Thighness”
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Were you around when he got called that a lot in the comments? You know, when he was actually good.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Fortunately she lied to me and said “You’re better looking than him, anyway”. So that made me feel better
assuming you sit at your number.
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tweaked my ACL a few weeks back, i’m afraid to squat. last night though, i took a total body conditioning class at Arena Fitness and it went okay.
This morning I lifted my foot from the accelerator pedal to the brake pedal for more reps than usual. I felt cleansed.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
sounds silly
but if I had to choose, I’d rather let Matt get his award over Kershaw, cause its probably unlikely that he’ll have another year like this and I think Halladay had a more compelling argument for Cy.
whatever though, it is what it is.
sounds silly
but if I had to choose, I’d rather let Matt get his award over Kershaw, cause its probably unlikely that he’ll have another year like this and I think Halladay had a more compelling argument for Cy.
whatever though, it is what it is.
I think Halladay over Kershaw is a stronger argument than Braun over Kemp.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Both of them had career years
Kershaw is as unlikely to win another triple crown as Kemp is to lead the league in HR, Runs and RBI in the same year.
It would probably be more likely that Kershaw could come close since he is younger.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 22, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
And it does keep the streak of teammates not winning both of the Cy Young and MVP
in the same season unless they were layoff attendees or on a team that won 100+ regular season games and lost in a playoff series to determine the pennant (1962 Dodgers).
I’m not sure which is a worse narrative. “Why didn’t Kemp win?”
“Because Kershaw did” or “Because Juan Uribe sucked.”
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Kershaw always had the easier path since even being on a winning team
is not as a huge a barrier to overcome for that award.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 22, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Because the writers somehow perceive that clearly the best pitcher could be stuck on a non-contender, but the best player couldn’t be?
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
That’s only been true the last couple years. Felix Hernandez and Zack Greinke were revelations, but prior to that, the CYA had the same stigma.
Cy Young awardees ,
starters at least were more tied into their personal won-loss records. Pedro Martinez, Steve Carlton and others have won the award with non-playoff or even non-winning record teams.
Because the Cy Young Award
is seen to be the best pitcher in the league for that season.
MVP in whatever league has always been this hybrid of a good/great statistical year but also being part of winning team. When there was only one post-season team in each league (up to 1968), that could extend a bit down the standings, from 1969-1993, it extended less but still you could have a great year like (George Foster in 1978, Jim Rice in 1978, Joe Torre in 1971) and still win MVP without much fallout.
This will continue to be a debate as long as they had out this award.
I stand by my claim that some writers read too much into the word “value”.
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I will agree with this
had Kemp won the batting title too, thereby giving him the batting triple crown which has not happened in the NL since Joe Ducky Medwick did it in 1937 and in the majors since Yaz did it with Boston in 1967, some believe that the writers would have had no choice but to recognize that achievement and give Kemp the MVP.
That argument is stupid because 20 points of batting average improvement does not make you more valuable in any sense.
Matt Kemp ties for the batting crown with 13 more points.
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Yes.
Matt Kemp’s case for the MVP dies when it involves the words “park factors” and “positional adjustment”
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
Mike Piazza was just heard saying “Fuck Coors Field”
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Yes Boris, but vat do ve tel Fearless Leader?
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
20 points of average is 40 points of OPS is the difference between Tony Gwynn and Juan Rivera.
20 points of average doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a better player, but it helps.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
a ground ball with eyes
/fucking costner
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
1. Actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense.
One’s “strength of offense and defense” isn’t changed because of how much your teammates did or didn’t suck. And one’s “strength of offense and defense” is defined by that rule at one’s value.
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Right. It’s okay to call this a subjective award and leave it at that. There is no wrong answer.
by Michael White on Nov 22, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
I will be glad when we chew the flavor out of this gum
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Subjectively, they were very close offensively, one played left field, one played center field.
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Matt Kemp didn't get the MVP
because there was another player having a superb year on a team that won its division going away. I am surprised Matt got double digit first place votes. I was kind of expecting a really wide margin.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 22, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Superb, but inferior across the board to Kemp’s.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
across the board? Someone said Braun was better in wOBA, OPS and SLG. Not that I give a shit about those stats, but just sayin.
by uschris0304 on Nov 22, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, Braun had an edge in average and slugging, in a hitter’s park, where Kemp played in a pitcher’s park. Kemp led in GP, HR, RBI, R, SB, H, OBP, which are the stats most writers care most about. Advanced metrics have Kemp higher in most things. Writers by and large use the stats they want. That king about drunks and lampposts goes here.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Statistics are like radiation. They can be used for good or evil. And you don’t want too much on you.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
Statistics are like a box of chocolates. Some are very good and some are frickin’ peanut brittle.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
“There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Statistics are like foreign girls. Guys with nice cars can easily date them.
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
Statistics are like Foreigner songs. They can be Cold as Ice or Hot Blooded. Some people do it so poorly, it Feels like the First Time they’ve ever seen numbers.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Statistics are like carburetors, most people don’t understand what they do
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
that just made me more confused, like zFib
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
And you should stay the hell away from them if you don’t
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
no fewer than 90% of people would read that and say, “YEAH! I hate when eople misuse statistics. Morans!” When in fact they are part of the group that misuses them with great frequency.
But who is in that 90%? Who?
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone who uses stats to determine future performance based on past performance.
The 10% is made of those who use stats to simply tell a story of events past.
that doesn't sound right
some stats tell you what happened(fips) some stats tell you what WILL happen(x-fip). Right?
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can someone chime in with the accuracy of predictive statistics?
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
x-fip has the highest corellation to future blah blah blah
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
They’re fairly good but not perfect.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
I guess if you abstract it away enough sure, but the most likely thing that’s going to happen to someone that’s been mediocre is continued mediocrity.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
It’s very unusal for someone to go 2010 Jose bautista or 2012 Jim Loney, but the most likely thing for someone who has been mediocre is continued mediocrity followed by a sudden fall off a cliff. Predicting where the cliff is though, is the impossibility.
Obviously no one can do that with 100% accuracy, anyone that could wouldn’t be posting here, but there are totally warning signs about it.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
For example that Dan Uggla contract was real dumb.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe he’d be able to produce enough in the beginning to make a really terrible end worth it.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
90% of people
won’t repost this on Facebook
The good news is that Matt Kemp was first or second on all but six ballots, and third on those. There was a time not long ago where he may have done worse because he was on a ever so slightly above mediocre team.
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by David Young on Nov 22, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
I am so excited about Thursday's football
that I just peed my pants a little bit typing the title to this comment
It’s because you don’t have Kobe in shorts to distract you.
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haha, no, but you’re close! Its actually because the Raiders are relevant again!… I know they were decent last year too, but this year feels alot better.
Hollywood Joe always told me I was a fan of teams, not the sport. I thought he was right, until I realized this year how im not only watching Raider games, but non Raider games as well. So I realized, its not that im not a fan of a sport, its just if my team isnt winning, or a contender, then I stop giving a shit.
I’d word it: “The sport is terrible if your team is terrible, but it’s fun if your team is making it fun”
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Those are Gold Glove numbers right there.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Yes. And he’ll win another one if he hits like that next year.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I assume with so many injuries to starting QBs going on, Orton and his agent begged to be released so he can catch on somewhere else and possibly start.
The trade deadline passed ages ago (relatively)
if another team picks him up, they also will save on the rest of his salary this season. It makes sense all around at this point. Classy even, gives him a chance to play somewhere, with some teams desperately needing QB help due to injuries, and gives him chance to make impact for his free agency marketing this off season.
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WOW
what a potential windfall for any number of teams
Orton is not great, but he works well enough in a pinch
I’d love to see him in Chicago or KC
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
yeah he has a few places that could go for him
chicago seems like they are the best fit, but would he want to go back?
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how much is left on his deal? is it small enough that someone would just take it on? or let him clear waivers and try to sign for less?
Or Redskins
I’d kinda laugh at irony if Orton replaces Grossman again. ;0)
Could see Shanny wanting him, their QB play has been putrid this season and Redskins don’t mind spending.
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@Dodgers:
Kemp: “The only thing I’m disappointed about is that at the beginning of the season I promised Mr. Newcombe I’d win the MVP” #Dodgers
awww, that is sweeet
I LOVE “Mr. Newcombe”
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Bob Timmermann sums up my last thoughts on this matter
@bobtimmermann
BBWAA, first you made Matt Kemp’s mom cry, then I cried. Then Maggie laughed. She’s such a trouper.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 22, 2011 1:15 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Someone who laughed at all of his jokes and whose love he didn’t need to coax.
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Simpsons did it
You promised Lisa to help her with her costume. You made her cry. Then I cried. Then Maggie laughed…she’s such a little trooper!
nolander and uschris0304
i am dissapoint
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 22, 2011 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
I laughed so hard at this
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 22, 2011 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
was that chick really Irish or putting on an accent?
by Josie Becker on Nov 22, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
From Connecticut
Was in exactly four movies, Animal House being the first, Caddyshack the last.
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She had a huge
substance abuse problem
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
O YA?
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by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 22, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
not your usual 40 oz?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I think in my life I’ve only ever had a 40 once, and it was a Mickey’s in college. Seeing them in grocery stores now, it’s just SO MUCH beer.
A 40 of Mickey's
is a lot of headache
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I come from the generation that drank lots of 40’s of 8-ball
One night, after two of them, I put on my roommates hockey pads and ran through another house mates door
good times
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
Let me guess, you would all still pick Zimmermann over Braun...
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/7/1/1546668/dodgers-june-in-review-national#41020426
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hahahaha, that is hilarious!
"If your Mr. October, I'm Mr. Spring, Summer and Winter!" - Tommy Lasorda to Reggie Jackson
by Ego Crusher! on Nov 22, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
I love Zimmerman because of his defense but I would build a team around Braun before Zimmerman, fwiw
Its worth a lot, thanks!
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by Ego Crusher! on Nov 22, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
So, you've been holding on to this
for 18 months?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I can find a LF. I can find a LF by 3pm with some nail polish.
Finding a young, healthy, productive 3B? What are there, 2 in MLB?
well not that unhealthy
but he did have some issues last year
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This is a good opinion. Healthy might be pushing it though.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
Zimmerman is no where near as good with the bat
but hes 10 times the defender and plays 3rd, just your personal preference I guess
Zimmerman outhit Braun just one year ago.
Also Ryan Braun’s contract is ugly as all hell.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
Life in the NFL trenches
Brutal
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
football players
are (mostly) underpaid
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Well
this will add to my Thanksgiving drink total, if nothing else. =
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You may not want that
DD duty after all.
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I’m getting you a keyboard
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I’d bring my spare one from home but I was told my security that i would be jeopardizing national security. Such crp.
No more than giving pitching secrets to the Cubans on company time.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
But accidentally typing the launch code because of a broken key isn’t
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
A wired one?
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
Not nearly as scary but could still be a risk potentially. I can see being anal about it.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
i’m not mad at them for not letting me bring mine in. Not letting me order a new one is weird though.
Yeah that’s dumb.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Do they inventory keyboards there? We only inventory the CPUs. If there’s a spare computer somewhere gathering dust, you strip it for the extra display, spare keyboard, etc.
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they do some weird catalogue thing where the CPU and peripherals all go with that setup, so even though we have another keyboard in the cabinet, my keyboard goes with my computer.
Anal. Even my company doesn’t care about peripherals – I have the same security thing though. You don’t plug in anything from outside.
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12/9 is not 11/24 Dave :-)
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I thinking it starts you headed on a course. Aren’t there wedding stresses starting to pile up? ;-)
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Read something that said (something like) 30% of recent college graduates would turn down a job offer if that company blocked social media.
Get job, buy smart phone.
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by regfairfield on Nov 22, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Yep, pretty much
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
She gets free Facebook!
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I never went on facebook or any websites like that at my old job EVER
I would be crucified if I was on the clock
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Thanks Gary! How's it going on your end?
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
granted, they’re REALLY F-ing cool positions. Manager told me today (after she got done yelling at me for taking too long to do something she told someone else to do), that she’s going to try to extend my contract but that her manager already said all contract labor are out at year end.
Typical cycel
one year it’s “We need to get rid of all contractors and take control with our own employees”. Next year it’s “We spend way too much on head count, outsource more”
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
In the two years I've been here, it's been far more reactionary than that
January: Here’s your budget for next year, we know your department got hit hard by the layoffs, but we think you’ll be fine.
March: We’re behind on our deadlines and have a lot of unexpected room in the budget, hire more people.
June: Looks like the budget for next year is going to take a big hit, we might have to lay people off
September: Lay off 1000 people (no joke, has happened more than twice), managers use up all their massive budgets on stupid shit so they can prove to their management that they need the same amount next year.
January: Here’s your budget for next year, we know your department got hit hard by the layoffs, but we think you’ll be fine.
Hey I was unemployed for 7 months
I lived off those checks
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oh good lord
absolutely not. we are not living off of my student loans
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness
and his unemployment!
its only 4 months! Who needs to eat?
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
the cats?
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness
seconded. I hate this economy and I will do ANYTHING i can to help anyone I know find a job
because Ive been in the trenches at it BLOWS.
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
Gary should definitely contact those recruiters I told you about
one of them got me this job, and they tend to get you interviews really quickly.
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I’ll send them another e-mail, maybe i got the address wrong. A lot of the finance openings I’ve heard back from have wanted an in-progress or completed CPA, which I don’t have.
I'll send it to you again via twitter.
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congrats! where'd you find a gig?
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Thanks!
Its a tax staff position in Century City. I start Dec 5th. Mostly HNW individuals as clients.
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high net worth individuals.
/nerd speak
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Nice! Enjoy!
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Thank you!!!!
Tax season just around the corner tho
/life over until Baseball starts
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What's your Specialty?
I don’t know anything about tax, but have a friend who’s a managing director at WTAS and if you find you don’t like it, I can forward a resume
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
thanks!
I don’t really have a specialty since I’m so green. I actually got to second round interviewes at WTAS and then got rejected, but I really liked the company and the atmosphere, so that’s really cool that your friend is there.
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managing director- woah- thats high roller territory.
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
no shit
He was good at baseball too. Fucker
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
damn i hate people who are so good at everything!
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
Like me, he's old now
He told me the other day he pulled a calf muscle getting out of bed
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Silly me, I'm applying for jobs IN social media. ;) Best of both worlds.
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my fiance got an interview at facebook for a strategy/data analytics position!!! but didn't get it
a lot o competition obviously. but he enjoyed just getting to interview there
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Cool. I almost applied for a writer gig but decided against it
have had some interviews at least, quite a few now, but yes still very competitive. Starting to perk up more this month, tho I expect it may take til January to find the best opps.
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(at Facebook I meant)
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Seems like there is SO MUCH more job openings in the bay...
I’m sure something will pop up eventually. Facebook is just insane. EVERYONE wants to work there.
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Im not sure I've figured out the point of Google+
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
Nice. Cliff Corcoran wrote that Kemp should have won the MVP:
Ryan Braun should spend the next few days shopping for gifts for his teammates, because they just delivered him the 2011 National League Most Valuable Player award.
Hey, he called our other guys a "motley crew"!
;)
No it’s very well said and argued.
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Kemp going for 50-50?? Yeah buddy!! He's got that Kobevation!!
“I’m going to go 50-50 next year,” he said. "I’m telling you, y’all created a monster. I’m about to get back in the weight room super tough so I can be as strong as I was last year. … Forty-forty is tough, so 50-50 will be even tougher, but anything can happen. I have to set my limits high so I can try to get to them as much as I can. I’m going to try for 50-50, which has never been done.
“I’m serious. If I don’t [get there], it means I let y’all down and lied to you, and I don’t like being a liar. I know y’all are over there thinking I’m crazy, but hey, I’m trying to take it to another level.”
But
He didn’t get to 40-40 this year
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
if he says “best shape of my life” I am shorting my Kemp stock immediately
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
He called 40-40 this year
and went 39-40. If he’s calling 50-50 and goes 49-50, I’m calling it a win.
2019 Matt kemp is going to find 110-110 to be difficult
by G.Scott on Nov 22, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm more upset about
Carlos Ruiz getting a tenth-place vote than Kemp getting second-place overall.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Caption to that photo:
Who is that dwarf and what is he doing on that stage?
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Nov 22, 2011 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
FUCK YOU RUIZ
FUCK YOU ALL THE WAY FROM SCHENECTADY NEW YORK
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Nov 22, 2011 6:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup. It’s freakin freezing here.
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Nov 22, 2011 7:49 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Cold Turkey – has got me – on the run.
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Tim Kurkjian on the Network
just admitted that Kemp had a better season than Braun, but the extra credit points for taking his team to the playoffs swayed him to Milwaukee’s side of the Force…cuz that makes sense, in some way.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
WIsh he'd read Corcoran's article that was linked above.
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Kirk Gibson
did he have the best numbers when he won it or did he get bumped by the team doing well?
7.3 WAR for Gibby that year
Brett Butler had 7.2, Will Clark 7.1, of the guys who finished with MVP votes. Dunno if anyone was better (non-pitchers) who didn’t get MVP votes, but I’d guess no.
Clark finished 5th that year, Butler 17th
Fell just shy of 1 dWAR which helped some as well, but I would imagine thats the case yea. His .290/.377/.483 line was good for a 148 OPS+ that year. Strawberry finished with a 165 which led baseball, but only 5.9 WAR, due in large part to being a vastly inferior defensive player (per dWAR anyway: 0.9 to -0.3)
If there was a dude who threw nothing but curveballs in the big leagues — litterally every pitch — but it was a great one, how would he do?
Can’t see that working out well.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
What's the reasoning behind him doing poorly?
Is it too predictable? Because the pitch I’m referring to is lights out.
Give a pro hitter whats coming
Even someone clearly inferior to Matt Kemp, like Ryan Braun, could mash that pitcher
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
and the curve ball is the hardest pitch to live off of if you only have one pitch
better to have a one pitch slider or fastball or fastball variation
curve ball needs something setting it up
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
yes and instead of calling fastballs “cheese” we now call them “Cheech”
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
sitting, sitting, sitting – combined with not chasing
curveball is about deception, if you know that is what you are getting you are
A) not going to chase curve balls out of the zone
B) not going to roll over them because your timing is off
Hitters would rake
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
All of the successful one-pitch pitchers throw pitches that do different things on any given pitch. Knuckleballs don’t always knuckle the same way. Mo’s cutter cuts differently on different pitches (sharper break, more down and in, etc.) A curveball should always rotate essentially the same amount each time it is thrown. Now, if a pitcher could throw three different curveballs with different breaks, maybe…
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
a slider, a slurve, and a curve
you’d have to change speeds and even then
yikes
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
exactly
Pitchers are assholes, but if they don’t keep hitters honest by using all of their pitchery bullshit, or by a good fastball, then the advantage swings wildly to the hitter
the movement of the curveball isn’t the problem, it is the movement of the curveball in relation to other possible pitches that is the problem
I think the slider is the toughest single pitch for me as a hitter – I chase more sliders out of the zone than probably everything else combined. That said, a fastball / curve ball pitcher with a good fastball is the toughest pitcher for me to face – I will make outs by being in front of pitches and grounding them to the SS
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
I did not mis-speak
“all of their pitchery bullshit”
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
I think
that hitters essentially want to have fun
and pitchers essentially wants to spoil other peoples fun
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
how is he fooled if that is every single pitch?
That thing is fucking center of the plate
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
yeah that looks like a crushable pitch. You’d just approach it like a knuckleball: if it’s high let it fly, if it’s low let it go.
Keep this up and we will have a new term
Silverwidowed: Getting drawn into a ridiculous conversation when only partial facts are shared / obscured
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
exactly
now if the last pitch was a 96 mph fastball, then you say “Good Chong, fooled him, still caught the center of the plate so he got away with one”
but if only curves have been throw to that point, how are you not pulling the trigger – thing looked like a strike from out of the hand
weird
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
no word on any interest for the butcher and the candlestick maker
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Probably, though we have no idea how Miami’s new stadium will play. But given the weather there, likely to be a hitter’s park, no?
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JK
Left Field Line – 340 feet (104 m)
Left-Center Power Alley – 384 feet (117 m)
“Bermuda Triangle” In Left-Center – 420 feet (128 m)
Center Field – 416 feet (127 m)
Right-Center Power Alley – 392 feet (119 m)
Right Field Line – 335 feet (102 m)
Backstop: – 47 ft (14.3 m)
Holy shit. Pretty big field. Matt Kemp would hate it as a LCF to RCF power guy.
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you need such a good defensive CF in a place like that or you are screwed
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
jeez – 420 in left center
could end up being a park that gives up a ton of doubles with those dimensions
lots of outfield to cover
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
yes
Coors, without the homers, might end up being the comp
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, but I think the ball will carry better than Petco
Petco is big, but no carry, so no offense
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
sure going to be interesting – seeing how it plays
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
Triples too. Short singles. They better hire themselves some fast OFs.
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Middle IFs that go back really well, like a young Furcal, would be great in a place like that.
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I'm not linking it because I don't feel like logging into twitter to find it, but you can find it on twitter if you want
@dodgerscribe That’s why they call it Most VALUABLE Player. If the award was for the BEST player, Kemp likely would have won it.
I rest my case.
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It’s at least a four hour old tweet. If it were fresh, I would have replied with BBWAA’s criteria 1.
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fuck semantics
every time this year is some retarded baseball man musing session on what the word ‘valuable’ means
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 22, 2011 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
If he voted on anything, as Dodger beat guy, I’d think it would be NL.
I can’t imagine ESPN having the LA Times rule of not be allowed to be a voter.
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Filed under: Of course this was reported in the Des Moines Reporter
Man gets drunk, craves late night McDonalds hamburger, finds McDonalds closed, breaks in and fixes himself a snack.
He has been nicknamed, The Hamburglar.
My senior year in high school
A bunch of us spent easter break living in a camper parked on the Huntington Beach parking lot. Two of my friends worked at a McDonalds so early in the morning on the day we left, we went to the McDonalds and stole a few cases of hamburger patties,and buns. We ate quarter pounders all week.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I call BS
There was no McDonald’s yet were you were in HS. ;-)
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He didn't say
if they were cow or brontosaurus meat though.
He did not vote for McCourt as MRO (Most Revered Owner).
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Nov 22, 2011 4:03 PM PST reply actions
The sick part is he made himself a Big N’ Tasty.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Nov 22, 2011 4:04 PM PST reply actions
he must have been a McDonald’s veteran right? Know the way around that frozen partially prepared crap
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 22, 2011 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Ten pages into Matterhorn and I’m sucked right in.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Nov 22, 2011 4:10 PM PST reply actions
Power arms on 40-man
De La Rosa (Peak Velocity: 100)
Eovaldi (Peak Velocity: 100)
Wall (Peak Velocity: 99)
Withrow (Peak Velocity: 98)
I mean, we have a lot of non-roster guys that throw hard, but I’m just looking at who has the best shot at making the club next year.
12/9 Roll call
Who is in (I am trying to get tables reserved for our meet up).
i was thinking
you might want to make another fanpost since yours got burried by all my prospect voting posts
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 22, 2011 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
No, I believe it dropped due to age. It can be rec’d a million times now and it won’t go back up.
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if I get there it will be late
no way I’m slogging through LA to hollywood in traffic
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
So I’ve yet to read ANYTHING about the new CBA that says it is a good thing. Basically, making it so teams that suck will continue to suck and small market teams can’t compete.
What % of baseball scholarships are full? I was under the impression that many are partial.
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As a whole
I like it. I don’t like some things, but others I love.
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Nov 22, 2011 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
This year’s NL MVP vote proves that the award is essentially meaningless. As long as the BBWAA continues to vote the way they do, the Hank Aaron award should be given the same merit as the other major awards. Kemp should have won the MVP, and no one really even noticed that he won the Hank Aaron.
Bottom line: I’m really sick of seeing voters placing emphasis on a team’s performance for an individual award.
Nothing is ever easy.
oh and uh
did we miss JDClosser trolling Dee?
"@jdclosser7: @skinnyswag9 u ain’t that gangsta so quit trying to front like u r"you know I am lol!
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness
Maybe they can look at that Napoli kid in Texas.
by KellyStephen on Nov 22, 2011 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
Woah.
The Honolulu Police Department is investigating an anonymous allegation of point shaving by University of Hawaii football players, school officials announced this afternoon.
Whoops, mistake, they were really just ice shaving.
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How the hell do you point shave in football?
Miss defensive assignments, poor tackling, dropped passes, interceptions, fumbles???? If that’s the case, UCLA has a lot of explaining to do!
by KellyStephen on Nov 22, 2011 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
Teamwork.
BTW…is Julio coming over Saturday night?
by KellyStephen on Nov 22, 2011 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
Greetings everyone
from permanently gray Schenectady, New York.
Just stopping by to say: this is BS, but I’ve seen worse BS in my time, and I’m only in my age-37 season. Braun had a great season. Kemp had a better one but that and $48,000 will buy you a house in Schenectady, New York.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
soooooooooooooo
everybody sober up from the Rageahol?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 22, 2011 7:07 PM PST reply actions
Dodgers always seem to want
some manner of Hairston
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 22, 2011 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
Take on more payroll to make it even more impossible to sign Kuroda?
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Sorry if this has already been posted but
I was looking at the NL MVP voting results and I noticed that the people who finished 1-8 all had the most amount of votes in the exact order they finished. Ie, Kemp who finished 2nd, had the most 2nd place votes. And Fielder who finished 3rd, had the most 3rd place votes, and so on all the way til 8th. I was just wondering if that is usually the case or is this rare?
4+1=awesome
by grizzlyadams on Nov 22, 2011 8:16 PM PST via mobile reply actions
We was robbed!
Suck it, baseball writers.
Love, Jack
by Jack Huber on Nov 22, 2011 8:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions
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