Jonathan Broxton Moves On To Kansas City
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 11:16 AM PST
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PrintJonathan Broxton is no longer a Dodger. The former Dodgers closer has signed a one-year deal with the Kansas City Royals to be a setup man to closer Joakim Soria, the club announced today. The contract is worth $4 million guaranteed, plus a potential $1 million in performance bonuses, according to Rustin Dodd of the Kansas City Star.
Broxton had an injury-plagued end to his Dodgers career, limited to just 14 games in 2011. He missed the final five months of the season with an elbow injury that eventually required surgery.
It's a shame that Broxton will be most remembered as a Dodger for giving up game-winning hits to the Philadelphia Phillies in back-to-back Games 4 in the NLCS in 2008 and 2009, but those are the breaks for closers. Broxton is one of the best relief pitchers the Dodgers have ever had.
Broxton has the highest strikeout rate of any Dodger with at least 200 innings, at 11.55 strikeouts per nine innings, and got to 500 strikeouts faster than any pitcher in franchise history, at 388 innings. Sure Kenley Jansen is on pace to shatter these records, but we can only be so lucky that he will be healthy and effective enough to do so. Welcome to the volatile world of relief pitching, where bullpen plans can seem week-to-week at times rather than year-to-year.
Even after the back-to-back playoff failures, Broxton came back strong to 2010. He had an 0.83 ERA and 48 strikeouts against just five walks in 33 innings before the fateful June 27 outing against the New York Yankees. It was the fourth game in five days for Broxton, none of which were in a save situation, and he was left out on the mound to throw 48 pitches. He allowed four runs that day in a game the Dodgers would eventually lose, and it was all downhill for Broxton after that.
- Broxton's career, prior to June 27, 2010: 341 games, 2.73 ERA, 3.37 BB/9, 12.05 K/9, .209/.285/.300 opponents' line
- Broxton, from June 27, 2010 to present: 45 games, 7.02 ERA, 6.80 BB/9, 7.44 K/9, .312/.422/.471 opponents' line
Best of luck to Broxton in Kansas City. Hopefully he is healthy and can rebuild his value. He will be missed in Los Angeles.
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In other news, happy birthday to the wonderful and incomparable Vin Scully.
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on the Dodger schedule this year?
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A lot of Dodger fans probably won't miss him, but most of us here will.
Far more good than bad with Brox ’til he was (arguably) overworked and then also got hurt. Couple of prominent blown saves but overall, it was a good run.
Buena Suerte, Brox.
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One of my worst fan experiences
Was being at the Stairs homerun playoff game. Never have I been so up and then so down so quickly.
ha
I didn’t even stand up. Not like I could of seen anything anyways but still.
by NotJoeTorre on Nov 29, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
I was there – still stings
in my mind, Kershaw was getting squeezed at that game, set us on the path of destruction
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
and Cory Wade somehow escaped any scrutiny.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Which pisses me off because Broxton didn't have a lead
Yet every dumbass dodger fan that hates Broxton acts like he blew the game.
Wade did. FTS.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 29, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
I was there too. That HR killed me. Fucking Victorino. Fucking Wade.
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I remember that
It was ridiculous how much he was getting squeezed, and then everything just started going in the dirt.
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Better or worse than Aaron Miles?
Defensively he’s better, right?
Better or worse than Justin Sellers would be next year?
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over the last 3 years he has infinity more war then miles(shut it nolij)
but miles was a better hitter last year, but kennedy is a better defender
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I know it would likely be a "veteran presense" move
But can’t we just use Sellers instead?
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Kennedy can’t play SS right? that should settle it
by NotJoeTorre on Nov 29, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Kennedy has played two innings of SS in his MLB career, and that was in 2007.
But that’s not really a consideration for this spot anyway; I think they are just looking for an infielder who hits left-handed for the bench. They have Gordon at SS, and both Uribe and Ellis can slide over if needed.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
and if it’s a long-term thing at SS, they can always call up Sellers at that point.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Someone will get hurt and then we’ll have Kennedy and Sellers
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
Mark Ellis will get you ready for that.
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
At the very least I'm looking forward to his defense
Damn, I must be in the 1% who doesn’t hate the Ellis signing.
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You can put me in that 1%, mostly because I don’t think it matters. No matter who is on the Dodgers next year, the only way they are gonna make the playoffs is if they get real, real lucky. It’s so unlikely that I’m just hoping for entertaining ballgames played by players I can root for. Ellis qualifies.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t hate it either. The haters are louder, but not necessarily more in number.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I’m tired of the “haters” word being used around here to define those of us who put forth perfectly valid analysis of why we don’t “like” the deal.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 29, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds like something a hater would say.
by fbihop on Nov 29, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
That's fair
Just because you don’t like something doesn’t mean you hate it, I just think the Ellis signing has been pretty badly panned in here from what I’ve seen.
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Some of us have made the point that Mark Ellis until he was traded was the worst offensive 2nd baseman in baseball in 2011. It probably means nothing since he is at that age where second baseman turn around their careers all the time. Especially injury prone second baseman. We should all be expecting 500 – 600 plate appearances, of .700 OPS, along with outstanding defense even though that combination for Mark Ellis last happened in 2007 when he was 30 years old.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 29, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
That's fine. I believe that his offense will be better than last year
and his defense will be the key to his value anyway, which is why I’m fine with it.
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Nolander will tell you how much better Kennedy has been in his career ;)
But he’s about the same worth(less value) as Miles for 2012.
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Other than a really terrible slide in 2007 he’s been steadily going downhill for the last six years. Staying on that path will make him worth an Aaron Miles in 2012.
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
So long Big Guy
I wish JB nothing but the best in KC.
I will never get over Joe Torre’s abuse of him in that Damn Yankee game. In my opinion that was the most abusive use of a pitcher I have ever witnessed.
by MammothDodger on Nov 29, 2011 11:26 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
that series crushed me
just egregious managing all the way through in a series that was pimped by the team all friggin year long..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 29, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
I was at that game
Just crushing
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2011 11:31 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Just an awful game to follow, even without being able to watch
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At first I thought you said that he was the most abused pitcher, which of course isn’t true, as Chuck Finley could attest to that.
by ishXdavid on Nov 29, 2011 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Here we go again.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
by Nolij on Nov 29, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I wonder if there was a Dodger player in the last five years, outside of Juan Pierre, that so marked a dividing line among fans. There were those that felt he never had the “closer mentality,” coming out in force every time he blew a save, and there were those who could point to the record he accumulated and call him one of the best the Dodgers ever had.
As for my feelings on the matter… I always expected that Broxton would leave the Dodgers this year. Even if he hadn’t fallen off the cliff (or whatever), he’d have walked this year. So there is nothing for me to get over — on top of the fact that I’ve had a year without him to get used to the idea of not seeing him pitch.
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Maybe JD Drew
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By divisive, I’m assuming you mean a bunch of people say “he’s good” and another bunch say “he sucks.” I’d say in the last decade, those two would rank at the top, with Loney third.
Other divisive guys: Billingsley, Karros, Izturis.
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so we all can agree
No one liked Andruw Jones? Fuck you Andruw Jones
by NotJoeTorre on Nov 29, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Even Phil and I, who were probably the last people to get off the “Andruw Jones can turn this around” train, have gotta feel like Andruw Jones (a) sucked but (b) became water under the bridge when the Dodgers got Manny, yet © the Dodgers are still paying for that mistake, which (d) sucks.
Just the name Andruw Jones is eleven letters of sadness for me.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
You're absolutely right
Getting Manny made most of us forget about Jones. I wonder, though, if it would have been worth it never to have gotten Manny, never having made the NLCS that year, never having Broxton blow his confidence to Stairs, having more money to spend in free agency instead of signing Manny…
hmmm
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You have said some silly stuff, but that last paragraph is the silliest. You don’t wish away magic, you embrace it.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 29, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
I dunno. I don’t necessarily agree with Bobby, but he is not the first to suggest that a team can be a victim of its own success. Getting Manny in 2008 — magic! — was a domino falling in a chain that led to where we are today.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
So instead of two years of NLCS we would have had four. Yippe Ki Ya Mother Fucker
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 29, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
We’d be sitting on a beach earning 20%.
I think you are too readily dismissing Bobby’s point. I’m not sure I agree with it, but it is certainly an arguable point that the reason the Dodgers will field a mediocre team in 2011/12 is due to poor financial management in 2007/2008/2009/2010, and Manny is a big part of that.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Financial mismanagement is not some unique situation that applied to only Manny. You can still have 2008 and NOT sign Manny. Period.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 29, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Since that didn't happen I think you'd have to dismiss Manny completely
There’s no way Manny does what he does in 2008 and he doesn’t come back. It was just too important (which again, a good point to needing Manny to come originally)
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Again, complete bullshit. He did not sign until very late in the game. He very easily could not have signed with us.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 29, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
He was never close to signing with anyone but us
You can disagree and that’s fine, but there was never any real threat of Manny going anywhere but LA.
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Could have, but DIDN’T. Signed with the Dodgers, and was tremendously overpaid, too.
Why did that happen if the Dodgers were in a position to let Manny sign elsewhere, why did that happen that way? The answer is that the Dodgers weren’t in a position to let Manny sign elsewhere.
As I remember it, there was an enormous fan demand to get a deal with Manny done. There was a lot of anxiety over the delay in getting a deal done. There was pessimism about the Dodgers’ chances in 2009 if a deal didn’t get done. I think Bobby’s right; once he became a Dodger in 2008, and did what he did, it was a foregone conclusion that he’d be a Dodger in 2009.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Where Bobby and I part ways is that I’ll take what actually happened — back-to-back NLCS trips — over the possibility of maybe being better off today (or maybe not).
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
Without Manny, it's probably true that there were not 2, and possibly even 1 NLCS appearance
I just can’t help but think what this team might look like (maybe some how we had traded for Cliff Lee in 2009 or 2010 or had some other big name player instead of Manny) if we never had traded for Manny.
It’s hard tradeoff, not having the best year I’ve ever watched of the Dodgers to that point, but for the sake of the present, maybe it would have been worth it.
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I’m not sure what you’re arguing we could have had. So we don’t sign Manny to that deal. In 2012, that means 8M comes off the payroll. Instead of Mark Ellis, the Dodgers sign Jimmy Rollins. Now we’re a 87 win team instead of an 85 win team?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
We don’t waste 50 million on Manny, since we don’t have Manny maybe we keep Jones and stash him on the bench and don’t defer his contract and pay him off by the end of 2009, and this all gives us more freedom to pursue other top free agents or trades for top players.
I’m not saying it makes the biggest deal in the world, but maybe things go different and we get the ace we needed back in 2009 to take us to the top, or even get one for 2010 which, depending on who, could have given the Dodgers the best staff in the NL or even MLB.
Clearly much more goes into these types of things and it’s all what if, but if Manny doesn’t get 50 million that money goes somewhere else back then, not really just adding money for free agents now.
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It's rare I get anyone to half agree with me so strongly
Thanks Humma, lol.
I remember rumors about the Giants, Angels, and possibly Yankees, but none of that was ever as strong as Manny back to the Dodgers, not even close.
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2009 Dunn was just as good as Manny (way worse if you believe B-Ref because it has 2009 Adam Dunn as one of the worst fielding seasons ever) and he wouldn’t have saved the 2010 team.
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
In my scenerio Dunn plays 1B
and never comes near those absolutely horrid fielding numbers. That’s obviously a huge help right away as far as value.
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But even offensively he wasn’t much better than Manny.
Really all avoiding signing Manny gets us is eight million more to play with in 2011 and 2012. Given what we’ve chosen to spend eight million on in the past that wouldn’t do much.
Unless you look at something like Delino for Pedro one move in a vacuum isn’t going to completely change a team.
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
We’re focusing on that one move, but I think a larger reading is more complicated.
Between 2007 and 2010, the Dodgers engineered a live-for-today strategy that resulted in a lot of deferred money — what is it for ‘12, $22 million or something? That strategy almost worked, as it got ’em back-to-back NLCS trips, but lately has been a disaster for the team. For fuck’s sake, this year’s team had the CY winner and the runner-up for MVP (and he’d have won if his teammates had been better), and the Dodgers could only afford to build a mediocre team around those two, because of the deferred money. That sucks, and it’s gonna happen again in ’12.
I don’t know that it’s so easy to throw away the success they had… just saying that when you live for today, you die tomorrow. I think that is Bobby’s point, and it’s a worthy one.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
The Marlins have two World Championships. I’d take those.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I agree with that. Besides, even if the Dodgers have that $22 million back this year, it’s no guarantee that they’d be fielding a more competitive team. NLCS trips are very rare and we got two of ’em.
My ONLY point is that I’m surprised to see people dismissing Bobby so easily. I can see the argument for Buyer’s Remorse for 2007-10 very easily.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
2008 and 2009 were the most succesful teams of my lifetime (I don't count 88)
So I strongly disagree with Bobby
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
I completely understand
That would be an awful thing to take away from us.
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Sure, but it’s a necessary evil if you only draft one starting player since 2004. If you draft poorly, you need to outspend to add real talent, and when you don’t have money to do that, you need to defer.
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Sure. Plus, like I say, it’s hard to argue with the strategy when it almost worked.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
I'm telling you
It would be hard to just take away those NLCS visits, hell, I wouldn’t even hate the Phillies close to as much as I do right now, lol.
I just wish I had a What If machine right now
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Dunn also played the whole year (or close to it)
Of course then Juan Pierre was amazing for one month of the suspension, so it’s hard to say.
I realize why people are going more for the implications of money for today, but it would have meant 8 mill more this and last year each, and I think the money would have gone to another star player anyway, such as a big time starting pitcher, like signing CC or trading for Lee.
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Phil have talked about this before
If Scott Elbert had remained healthy and progressed like many thought he would in 2007, he could have showcased a trade for Sabathia in 2008. If not then, maybe in 2009 for Cliff Lee. But that was not the case.
No matter how much you are correct in thinking the Dodgers do not get value for when they do trade prospects, they have certainly not traded a prospect that was perceived by outside media as a top prospect since perhaps Joel Guzman’s rep was beginning to slide in 2006. (As Phil could bring up, Carlos Santana did not start to get a lot press until after he was dealt for Casey Blake).
by bhsportsguy on Nov 29, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
I'm pretty happy about the last part to be honest
It means Kemp or Kershaw would have been traded most likely.
As for Elbert, if he had stayed healthy back then, he may have been much closer to the majors and on track with Billingsley, and could have actually helped with playoff push in 2008 and 2009 himself. That injury was huge.
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Kemp’s highest prospect rating was #96 in 2006. He didn’t have much value until he showed success in the bigs.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
True, but he jumped big so by the time of winter of 2006 he had tremendous value.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 29, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
He spent half of the season in MLB in ‘06, which is why he wasn’t a prospect anymore. No doubt he was valuable at that time. Hell, he could have netted us Billy Hall!
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Yeah he was in all the trade talks for Miggy, Bedard, and Santana
While he was never rated all that highly in the prospect lists, I think phil is right his value after those lists came out was much, much higher.
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BECAUSE HE PLAYED WELL IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I never said anything different...
Good thing you’ve got your caps lock, though.
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I would much rather have gotten CC over Manny.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 29, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
I definitely feel that way now
Back then I felt we needed the offense.
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Don't get me wrong
I loved the Mannywood saga until mid 2009, but how different would things be if we never got Manny. What if in the 2008 winter we went hard after Teixeira or even Adam Dunn for 1B? Teixeira’s deal would look bad now, but Dunn was still great until 2011, and would have been a bigger help than Manny overall, though Pierre never would have captured the imagination of everyone in May.
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Well we never make the playoffs in 2008, good chance we miss in 2009 and the money would have gone to something stupid like continuing to employ Juan Pierre.
Other than that
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
I disagree about 2009
The team was good enough to make the playoffs without Manny. It would have definitely changed 2008, though.
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Wouldn’t be the first time you were completely wrong.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 29, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
No it wouldn't
But acting like a bit a jerk about it right now doesn’t make you right about it. At least i’m arguing my case, right now you’re just kinda saying I’m wrong. Clearly there’s no way to tell what would have happened if my scenerio of Manny not coming to LA actually did happen, but it doesn’t mean it would all be bad.
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Ned is a shitty GM, the best move he ever made and the only reason he is still a GM is because Manny fell in his lap in 2008. If you take that away, and you give Ned free reign with the 20,000,000 he used on Manny in 2009/2010 there is a good bet that instead of one super star player, he purchases a quartet of Mark Ellis, Juan Rivera, Bruce Chen, and Dick Wazoo for that 20,000,000 and not only do we suck in 2009 but the contracts he handed out will haunt this team in 2010 and 2011 just as Manny’s does right now. JMO
If you want to re-write history and expect Ned to become a great GM over night and make all the right moves feel free, but in my mind you are just living in a fairy tale world that does not exist.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 29, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Dont worry IVdown
Dick Wazoo is a fucking beast
by NotJoeTorre on Nov 29, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
You are not wrong about Colletti being a bad GM
Lets say instead of the 50 mill for 2 years (more like 5) spent on Manny. You’re absolutely right, instead of Manny Ned could have signed:
Pat Burrell (8 Mill)
Ben Sheets (11 mill) or Oliver Perez (3 years 35 mill)
and then a couple of other lower guys
That certainly would have been a pile of shit
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It could be worse
He could have traded Matt Kemp for Vernon Wells.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Didn’t Pat the Bat suck balls?
and those other 2.. not good examples. I’ll take 20 ABs of Manny over that pile of poo
That's my point
We could have signed sheets who didn’t do anything, Burrell who was just awful, Perez who provided negative value, etc…
So where I think it could have been just as good or better without the Manny signing, it also could have been a lot worse.
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Again
I believe folks discount the fact that suspended Manny was still one of the better offensive players in the NL that season.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 29, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Dunn had 668 PA with a big lower OPS
Manny had 430 PA, not at bats. Would that not have made a difference, especially when Pierre became Pierre again?
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don’t let the facts get in the way of a Plaschke rant
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No doubt, he was a monster pre suspension
and still great post. But he had about 200 less PA than most others who played a full season that year.
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I was just going to say Loney. Regardless of where one comes down on the good/sucks teeter-totter on Loney, I gotta think it’s kind of amazing that he is still the Dodgers’ every day first baseman. Players don’t usually get to keep their job this long with that kind of performance.
I have to think that it is a testament to the Dodgers’ faith in him, that he can be more than he has shown. The thing is, I’m not sure if that faith will pay off for the Dodgers, no matter what Loney does this year. If he hits, he will get a big payday, despite a long history of not so goodness, whether the Dodgers or somebody else pays him. If he doesn’t hit, the Dodgers replace him with somebody who does hit.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
He was affordable
And he was a run producer (Dodger words not mine).
Also, he rarely got hurt, never complained and the Dodgers basically never had the money nor inclination to replace him.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 29, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Oh, I think that’s right, of course. But it only goes so far. After 2009, I felt that 2010 was a put-up-or-shut-up year for Loney. Even after a 95 win season, they had to be looking at 1B and wondering if Loney was the guy. Then the team had a mediocre year and Loney didn’t hit and 1B seemed to me like a good place for an upgrade. That he kept his job in 2011 and may yet keep his job again in 2012 makes him a rare bird, indeed; I think a lot of teams would have looked elsewhere a year ago.
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
I think most fans like Loney, it is the blogging world that does not which is a small world in the fan base. JMO
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 29, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
small sample size
my dad loved when the dodgers signed Luis Gonzalez and I was completely irate because he was useless and blocking our boys
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 29, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Looking back
His numbers would be nice from Sands this year. Too bad back then that line wasn’t that great for the league average.
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James Loney
gets brought up a lot on places like this, can’t say you hear about it much on the talk shows and he gets treated pretty well at the Stadium.
Frankly, Juan Pierre gets a lot more love than people may want to admit.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 29, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah. The average fan who loves Pierre and thinks JB has no marbles also loves James Loney. Frankly, I don’t particularly dislike the guy and I bristle every time he is mentioned as a bottom-5 1B.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I will always think of him as a shut down closer, even though at the start of his closing career he wasn't nails
and at the end he was awful.
I loved having Big Jon, I will miss the pre summer 2010 model.
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where were you when Joe Torre used Broxton in a non save situation?
Did it make you feel like crying? Or did you think it was kinda lame?
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Are you talking about the Yankee game?
If so, I was at Universal Studios that day, and on the way home I stopped to get gas and saw the score, and was very angry more than anything else, lol.
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He certainly
got shutdown last year
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Billingsley
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 29, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
had
no doubt in my mind the KC franchise is turning around.
Hosmer
Butler
Gordon
Moustakas
Escobar
Frenchy
with Myers coming, rookies at 2nd, CF, Catcher
Lots of young quality pitching
This signing allows Crow to move back to rotation to help out Sanchez, Duffy, Paulino, Chen.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 29, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
They might look into moving Soria
They won’t content this year and could use another MOR starter. Their pitching crop has taken some lumps
by NotJoeTorre on Nov 29, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
They should package Soria with 2 top tier prospects and go get a Ace starter
That division is plenty shitty enough for a miracle run I guess
by NotJoeTorre on Nov 29, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Joe Torre
and Rick Honeycut might share in the failure of Broxton but his inability to express the fact he was fatigued then and hurt later certainly played a role.
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EISENHOWER
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Taft: the Jonathan Broxton of presidents?
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
WH Harrison- the RDLR of presidents?
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Nov 29, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
John Jay – the Jon Jay of Founding Fathers?
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by Humma Kavula on Nov 29, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Richie Petibone needs to get a lick in here somehow.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 29, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Those guys take sports more seriously than uschris.
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conflicted
this is both awesome and awful
I hope that I have the spunk to kick someone’s ass when I am 70+
I also would be very embarrassed if I did it
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Bullshit, you’d be strutting around like a peacock as you try to find your teeth with the glasses still on your head because you forgot where you put them,
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 29, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
This is for the 50+ crowd,
Was Joe Kapp the early version of Tim Tebow, poor arm but proven winner?
Phil, Mike
Chris Paul in a sign and trade to the Clippers? Or Dwight Howard?
Now that Blake Griffin plays for L.A.’s other team, the Clippers have become a hot destination franchise. Stacked with young talent, they could offer any combination of Eric Gordon, Mo Williams, DeAndre Jordan, Chris Kaman and Al-Farouq Aminu.
But while the Clippers like Paul, sources say they like Dwight Howard even more. The Clippers have made it clear to executives throughout the league that they will do whatever it takes — outside of trading Griffin — to get Howard, who will become a free agent at the same time as Paul, either this season or next summer. So they will not move the players they’ll try to use to get Howard to New Orleans for Paul.
cant see how dwight and blake could co-exist
crashing the boards for rebounds.. theyd kill each other.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 29, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
Which one of them has the outside shot that Duncan had? (Same with Olajuwon who is mentioned in the reply)
I agree that I don’t see how Howard and Blake would work. Their games just don’t compliment each others.
Blake hangs out at the elbow all day anyway, he’s not a back to the basket type guy. He doesn’t have Duncan’s jump shot, but its WAY better than I thought it would be coming out of college. That’s like saying Deandre Jordan and Blake Griffin wouldn’t work out because neither of them have range but the Clippers were much better with Jordan at the 5 than Kaman. And Howard is basically Jordan but 50 times better.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
If they can’t keep Gordon I don’t see the point.
Howard/Griffin and nothing
Paul/Griffin and nothing
I’d prefer Paul
Jordan
Griffin
???
Gordon
Paul
That would be a fun team to watch.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 29, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
It is going to be difficult to sign a premier free agent
now that the sign and trade option is still available.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 29, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Two Things
This is Clipper Steve take on the Paul possibility (SB Nation Clipper Editor)
Do you haver to give up talent to get talent?
Remember the situation NO is in. If CP3 makes it to free agency, they lose him for nothing (which even that means salary cap relief, right). So Kaman and the Minny pick gives them a great pick in a great draft more than they get if Paul becomes an FA. Given the new rules post Melo, if Paul can veto any trade simply by refusing to sign an extension, the question becomes can NOH do better? Obviously, the Clippers would be only to happy to toss in a Bledsoe or an Aminu if it would get the deal done. And maybe they’d go all the way to Gordon… but I think NO would blink first and you could get him without including EJ. Who else is going to be on Paul’s approved destination? We know that New York is there, but they have squat to offer.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 29, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
2nd thing
This amnesty deal is awesome this time around:
But the most significant changes are on the back end. In an attempt to mitigate the “rich-get-richer” problem, the NBA is instituting a phased waiver system for the amnestied players of 2011. Teams under the salary cap will be given first crack at any amnestied players – they can submit a ‘bid’ in the form of a contract offer, and the player must sign with the highest bidder. If and only if the amnestied players clear waivers without an offer from a team under the cap will they become unrestricted free agents, available to sign with any team including those over the cap.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 29, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
could you theoretically bid $1
and sign yourself gilbert arenas
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 29, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
If no one else bid at all? I guess so. Arenas still gets all of his contract and a dollar:)
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 29, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
thats crazy
the player gets MORE money? Shouldn’t the money the recieving team pays just go the the team that waived the player, and the player just gets the full value of his contract?
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An amnestied player gets full value of the contract and no more
The amount paid by the new team is subtracted from the waiving team’s obligation.
by Capt. Factorial on Nov 29, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
I've been throwing around an idea where you game the system
By offering an amnesty’d player (for example Brandon Roy) the full amount of available cap space in year 1 (which wins you the bid) and then team options for $1MM for the remaining three years of the deal.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
I feel like Reg at the Clipper blog
Pointing out that you can’t give NOH a basket of shit (and a draft pick) in exchange for the best PG in basketball, you’d have to give up Gordon (and I would easily.)
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Steve seemed to disagree and I’d say he might know what he’s talking about.
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What’s his comp? He brings up the Carmelo situation but Denver ended up getting a shit ton for Carmelo (a lot more than the Clippers offer sans Gordon which is basically cap space and pick.) The Lakers would offer Gasol and change which is better than Gordon and certainly better than the expected value of mystery draft pick which could be anywhere from 1 to 8. And the capspace thing is overblown because of the amnesty provision. They can just amnesty Ariza and trade Okafor (who is nowhere near as bad of a contract as people think) and voila, that’s a full reboot.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
And I follow basketball too, so I’m not going to simply defer to the widsom of Clipper Steve if I have a difference of opinion.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
I did not click on the story and maybe they mention it but the Clippers best chip is none of our current players but the unprotected Minny pick in 2012 in what appears to be an extremely deep draft.
Chips:
Kaman – large expiring contract
Minny Unprotected Draft Pick in a deep 2012 draft
Bledsoe 2010 Number One Pick
Al-Farouq Aminu 2010 Number One Pick
If you can keep Gordon and Gordan while adding Paul, I think you have the makings of one of the most exciting rosters in the NBA.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 29, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
I have no
idea who this person is or what he did. But RIP to him.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 29, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
He feigned offense at the Charlie Sheen roast and didn’t tell any jokes. Also, he was a comedian.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
ugh
a stroke after “diabetes” battle. RIP Patrice
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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Cause it was really a withdrawal battle?
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retrospectively
no idea, I meant “diabetes battle”, because the article I read made it seem like he was successful battling diabetes
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This whole thread
is like Groundhog Day
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Gut call
We will make a major trade for a SP next week. I think Ned would’ve signed L.A.I.M. by now if not for waiting on something else.
L.A.I.M?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2011 1:10 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Puff Offspring
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Puffson
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2011 1:31 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
When I looked at the BA award to Jacksonville team in 2005
It was Guzman, Broxton, Billingsley, Martin and LaRoche.
I blame Google
http://www.truebluela.com/2009/1/19/727928/dodgers-in-the-bush-years
While the major league team struggled, the future shone bright in Jacksonville, the Dodgers’ AA affiliate. Led by the awesomely-named “Jacksonville Five” (top prospects Chad Billingsley, Andy LaRoche, Joel Guzman, Russell Martin, and Jonathan Broxton), Jacksonville made the Southern League playoffs. Billingsley (7 innings) and Broxton (2 innings) combined for a no-hitter in the opening game of the playoffs, and the club never looked back, winning the league championship.
Phil must have written that and I’m sure it was corrected in the comments. By the time the season ended it was like the Jacksonville Seven with Abreu and LaRoche joining the five SilverWidow mentioned.
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I assumed we had comments since Eric was on board then. I remember it being one of first dual posts where we took turns doing the Bush years, and once Eric came on board you fuckers all started commenting.
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Is that when the commentariat blew up?
I remember when I first started reading TBLA, only the game threads had life. Now, I get into the office and there are already 100+ comments.
well if we need someone to come in for Yates
and turn the ball over 4 times in the playoffs we are covered
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We don't throw a lot of deep balls anyways
but he has the arm strength.
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what if we had traded for jason bay
instead of for Manny
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if we go by fangraphs
the difference between manny and Jason Bay was 2 wins at the end of 2008, the difference between us and Arizona at the end was… 2 games.
We still win the division in 2009 with Bay. Then we don’t sign Manny to his fatty contract.
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Don't we sign Bay to his abysmal contract then?
Or do we let him walk
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Good chance we let him go anyways
less pressure to resign him and other teams would have been in the bidding still, unlike with Manny.
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He wouldn’t be in Citi Field though
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2011 1:53 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
He OPSed .897 with Boston
Not manny in 08 with us, but I would have been thrilled with it.
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Engineering Internship
David , Reg, and anyone else who works in the Aerospace Industry:
My nephew is an Engineering Junior at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo in the Space Program, and is looking for an internship this summer. He comes from a very very very small town so he does not have many contacts. He is the best of the best:
1. Huge Dodger fan even though he was raised in Giant Country (Independent Thinker)
2. Class Valedictorian
3. Played Football, Tennis, and Soccer in High School
4. Hard Worker
5. Incredibly nice person
6. Smart
7. Comes from a humble family who has taught him well.
8. Manners
9. Even if I was not his Uncle I would consider him one of the best kids this country has to offer
10. Huge Dodger Fan
Basically he’s everything that I’m not. Anyone who would give this kid an internship would be doing their company a favor.
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Space?
He had to declare Air or Space and choose Space. Something like anything that works above 40,000 feet is space everything else is air?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
was more thinking mechanical, electrical, civil, aerospace specific. If he does space that gets a little more specific, so that’s both good and bad. I think space launches are going to be on a major downturn until the economy reboots.
Aerospace/Space
he’s 20, he can’t really be concerned with what is happening in the now but what he wants to do in the future.
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Space is dead
He should go into Sales
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I’m riding the space industry to my retirement.
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- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
For the summer Internship he would move. He actually lives in Ferndale 650 miles away.
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he should try and get something
at Vandenburg
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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Well its good he knows already that he will have to move a good distance
I would say at least 80 percent of the people in the industry are contracted and are relocated
Phil
Have him do the on-line app for Boeing at boeing.com. Have him e-mail me some info – name, particulars on his major, contact info – and I’ll put in a word with the system engineering bosses around here.
Will he live with you during the summer he’s here?
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- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I have an uncle who worked for Lockheed for 30 years or so. He just retired a couple years ago but I can see if he can give any tips on how to get his name in front of some decision makers.
Thanks to everyone
for providing links and other useful information.
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There’s an application at aero.org that he can fill out. I’ll do what I can to get people to look at it but as a warning there’s almost method of getting an internship here other than nepotism.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Current NFL playoff matchups
BYES:
1) Packers
2) 49ers
6) Falcons @ 3) Saints
5) Bears @ 4) Cowboys
BYES:
1) Texans
2) Patriots
6) Bengals @ 3) Ravens
5) Steelers @ 4) Raiders
something something something Yards Per Attempt Gained – Yards Per Attempt Allowed matches up more with .500 teams historically than elite teams something something something
they play amazing special teams and defense
and decent offense. You don’t go 9-2 on luck.
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Might go to Oakland to see Steelers versus raiders
too bad the Ravens are going to shit the bed and the Stillers will win out and get the 1 seed
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
My favorite part
Length and terms of the deal weren’t immediately available.
I have a suggestion: one year, and cheap.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
On a starting pitcher
Jackson says the Dodgers are still hopeful about Kuroda, but…
If Kuroda isn’t re-signed, the two free-agent starters in whom the Dodgers have the most interest are right-hander Aaron Harang and lefty Chris Capuano.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
He should do it before the winter meetings.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I’m sure his intentions are to get paid eight figures with the Dodgers, so I think both sides need to work a little to get this done.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
Today was one of my favorite Tbla comment discussion boards to read thru…especially the Manny arguments. Great stuff guys!
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
by VeroJoe on Nov 29, 2011 2:03 PM PST via mobile reply actions
If I can help entertain the masses then I have done my job :)
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What do you mean you people
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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by Maddz on Nov 29, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Geeks, Nerds, Basement Blogger Dwellers is my best guess.
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I AM BATMAN
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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doesn’t work as well, since Spiderman doesn’t wear a cape
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
Look at his pad, dude has to be married. I guess what does it matter what you wear at that point, fug it.
I bet that guy is about twenty minutes away from a lecture for leaving a bowl of popcorn on the couch for too long
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
You saying his other half drive an Acura?
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We could spend a weekend cleaning our house and it would still look like cats and dogs owned the place.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
one the pets realize you can’t monitor the furniture 24/7, it’s game over
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
That dude is a dumb bitch.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Nov 29, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Props to the dude for having a very similar pose in both pictures. (or to the dude who photoshopped the different Snuggies onto the same pose)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
WW should have black hair, but I can make an exception
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
If both husband and wife sit on the same side of the couch when alone, they should probably rotate the cushions often.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
I've spent an insane amount of time over the last 2 weeks being batman
and I don’t want it to end
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I’m somewhat disappoint with that game so far
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I gave G Arkham Asylum, we’ll see what he thinks.
Of course, I also bought him a WoW script and Diablo 3. You’d think I didn’t want a boyfriend!
…
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness
skyrim
Ive been playing this like it was my fucking job, and theres no end in sight
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 29, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
DRAAAYYYYGONS
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness
stabbing cave bears in the throat like a boss
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 29, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
I am glad I don't have it
I’m barely surviving as it is. I should be doing work. Here I am :(
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@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness
That is on my list for the new year
My friend at work is obsessed with it.
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I'm debating between Halo Wars and Brutal Legends
for this weekend. I feel ya brotha
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brutal legend
never heard much good about this game, but I assume it can be had for $2 used so you’ll get your money’s worth at least…
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 29, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
At least
He’ll never leave the couch
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Get him a snuggie.
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I got long term plans
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@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness
it makes me feel better when I go
“hey, I need to write this paper. you cool?”
/furiousbuttonmashing GOTTA STRIKE OUT BOBBY DOWN WITH DAY LILLY
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@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness
Gary we should play tonight!
I was thinking of not a hitting juggernaut team like the last two (texas and St Louis, lol), maybe the Orioles or Braves.
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I have plans tonight. Friend is in town from New Zealand so we’re all going to Hennessey’s for Two Timin’ Tuesday.
Couldn’t you just tell him you had to blow dry your hair?
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It was a 0-0 game through 8 innings with day freaking lilly pitching
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oh I know.
trust me, I know.
/wrists
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness
You can't say you don't leave hearing about people playing video games :)
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when it’s the minute details about your The Show game, yes, absolutely I can
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I'm still amazed at how fluid the combat/combat animation is
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No
my first foray into super heroes
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
shoulda played the first one first
tighter narrative and progression, but Arkham City just has so much being batman to do!
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I never played that
And now i feel like I can’t go back.
Speaking of fighting in this thread, have you played AC Revelations? I really liked what was in it, but the game was literally half the length of Brotherhood at only 9 sequences :(
Luckily I got it for half price.
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If they actually cut out the fluff I'm more interested in it
I’m in no rush to play the exact same game again though.
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absolutely
but then I played Brotherhood which was the same with some very minor upgrades and a worse story and now Revaltions is the same deal. I’m in no rush.
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different debate
me and 4down agree that asscreed 2 is a very good game.
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for multiplatform releases the purchase priority is
pc > xbox > ps3 > wii
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There are so few games I'd be willing to play on PC
before any other platform.
I’m assuming you’ve got the show 11?
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AC 2 was better, no doubt
Brotherhood still had a lot of really good stuff in it, IMO.
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it did
but coming a year later and now rev a year after that…
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I agree they should have just put revelations IN AC3 and spent 2 year on it
But I’m always excited for one coming out every year cause I’m a gaming sheep.
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I wont get any other AC titles for a while
BF3 and killing people with the MAV has consumed my video game playing time
What do you consider fluff? There’s more assassin training stuff, but it’s almost purely side stuff, still really fun to me though. It’s the same type of fighting stuff, with some sweet new kills, though. They actually finish off Altair’s story which is cool, and then answer some questions about desmond and set up AC 3, as far as the current day.
I’d give it an 8 to 8.5 due to the content still being awesome and the story line still kicking ass, but the length makes it not a 9.
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I just don't think the main story needs to be 20 hours long
theres inevitably “fluff” in there, not bad content, just stuff that could be stripped out of the main quest line and never be noticed. Just make the non story critical missions side quests and allow me to complete the main quest in 10 hours if I want.
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One thing I'm bummed about
is that there have been like 3 or maybe 4 missions where you get to use the apple to fight with. That would be sick to get to use it whenever you want.
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Superhero’s never have sex, so who would want to be one? Is there one super hero out there that has sex? Then when the hero finally gets the woman they want, they’re like nah, I cant, with this job comes responsibility… whatever
I think Superman shot his superwad at Lois once or twice
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
And like a smart girl
She jumped out of the way
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Bruce Wayne got all types of strange
wha you talking about?
by NotJoeTorre on Nov 29, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No way Spiderman kept Mary Jane and that first blonde girlfriend around without a little in and out
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
But In N Out doesn’t have locations in Goth….Ohhhhhh.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
Iron Man had more booty then all of this board combined provided we remove HJ, Maddz, and Gary.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
let's just say
I’ve found Miss New Booty
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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Only one way to find out
Maddz, G, H.Joe: you are all banned
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Any Garth Ennis superhero has sex.
Kinky, kinky sex.
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Wasn't it freaking awesome!?
I wish any of the DNC was for story lines, rather than challenge maps :(
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probably correct
but, whatevs, the game is already packed with stuff.
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How does the Democratic National Committee fit into this?
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I’d like a Superman one
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2011 2:10 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Don’t need a Snuggie when you’re sitting on a beach earning 20%
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
“Hello, I’m Alan Rickman. Can you please bring a towel to beach chair number five, it is quite hot against my skin. I’m Alan Rickman”
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
I own this
So does the Mrs….we have not gone plushy.
We were going to wear them with boxing gloves and black eyes for Halloween
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
better not run into HJ on halloween
We were going to wear them with boxing gloves
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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if I have to be a six foot marsupial, I am going to be a six foot marsupial who will beat your ass
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
all I got is the truth Phil, the sad beautiful truth....
the things you do for love
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
I think it’s totes awesome. Super cool!
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
um thx
I wouldn’t be caught dead, if not for love
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
LOL dick ;)
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
by VeroJoe on Nov 29, 2011 2:07 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I do miss commenting on here…just saying that to maddz on Facebook this morning. I still read ur guys comments though and skip over Eric’s ;)
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
by VeroJoe on Nov 29, 2011 2:13 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Are you facebook friends with any of Ken Caminiti's relatives?
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
If the Kennedy deal happens
Here are the 2011 OBPs of the free agents signed by the Dodgers this offseason:
.338
.319
.288
.277
just a ploy so that when he uses Sellers he will look good.
I think we will enjoy Adam Kennedy in small doses, even though the combined price of Ellis/Kennedy/Uribe smacks of egregious general managershipness and makes one wonder why there would be any enthusiasm for a 2012 season.
Oh wait
Jim, Matt, Andre, Clayton, and Chad
Whew, I was about to dive under a rock.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Outs are cool – makes the game go fast
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
Get ready for some 1:56 games at The Ravine in 2012!
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Happy Birthday Vin!
Thank you for providing the soundtrack to the love affair I have with the game of baseball!
Low Obp % seems to go along withlast off seasons trend…or maybe its just a a Ned thing
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by VeroJoe on Nov 29, 2011 2:33 PM PST via mobile reply actions
its the new market inefficiency
if you want to put together an 80 win team
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 29, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
McCourt: I am sold!
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
by VeroJoe on Nov 29, 2011 2:38 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Dick Wazoo?
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
by VeroJoe on Nov 29, 2011 2:39 PM PST via mobile reply actions
The mobile version of the site has a “reply” button too
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Way I’ve seen it done:
Presents get put on table. First person takes present and opens it. Second person takes present and can opt to either take the opened present or pick a present. This goes on until everyone has done the deed. The person with the last pick either gets anyone else’s present they want or take the last one standing.
This will guarantee that Josie will cry when no one tries to take her present from Eric. Eric will be pissed he ended up with a candle.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
there needs to be a limit on how many times a specific gift is stolen
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I think the biggest issue
will be that Ivdown may not show up since apparently he is at the age when you still go out with people for your birthday.
He’s coming and bringing his “friend”. If we do this right, we can either ruin Bobby’s life or enhance it.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
just as long as nobody else starts making out with her everything will be ok
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Proven method
Make her drive. After you arrive, have a drink, give it 30 minutes.
“I left something in your car”
If she says, “Oh,let’s go look for it”, you’re in.
If she says, “No you didn’t, you grabbed everything” or “Oh, here’s the keys”, you’re either sunk or she’s oblivious.
this sounds as dumb as locking your car doors
and then letting her in and hoping she unlocks your side from inside
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
this sounds dumb, but isn't -
Just close the physical space between you and her
When you are next to her just be a little closer than normal, when you talk lean in just a bit – not so weird that your noses are touching, but just enough to be closer than you would ever talk to someone else
find reasons to lean in and whisper something to her – maybe an innocent comment explaining an inside joke that gets told – and then stay there, close, for a beat or two
if she doesn’t move away, or even better moves closer, you are golden. If she moves away, you are friends
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
This is going to end up being amazingly creepy.
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
especially when you notice 4 Iron talking to you a little closer than normal
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I’d be more worried that once she meets his online friends, she realizes she is all he has and that burden is to tough to bear, so in a panic she bolts into the street like a mad deer only to get flattened by Humma who forgot his high seat and did not see her.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 29, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
You're not kidding
I think i’ve just gotta show that I can be bold and make a move.
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take comfort
that if you crash and burn, it is something that everyone has done before
being human is the best
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
I regret not being bold and making that move.
But it was for the best, she ended up with a much better man then me. Though I know now that she would have said yes if I’d been so bold.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
That dude sucks, Verdell made out in the exhange and that lovely girl whoever she was lost
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
I literally had it spelled out for me that if I asked the girl would say yes
but I was still too chicken to say anything. Things worked out eventually sorta.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
just put on the batman suit and let it come naturally
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Yup. At worst you won’t have to waste time hanging out with a women who’s interest isn’t mutual.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
in sales parlance
We call this “getting to no”
I ride my team hard that the faster you get to “no” on an account the less time you waste
Play for the yes, but be happy with a no – a no is freedom, a no opens up other opportunities, a no is the first step to the next yes
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
a no is the first step to the next yes
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
try the car move
that’s bold. hopefully your date is a bit more aware than G.
“No, I remember EXACTLY what’s in the backseat of my car.”
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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I am a big proponent of the Police advice
Don’t stand so close to me or in this case, please stand closer to me
easier to execute, less gamey, and creates incredible sexual tension if she is into it
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Me too
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
by VeroJoe on Nov 29, 2011 3:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
So wait,
he is bringing his friend and then on the way back to Simi Valley, they are going to drive to Carson?
Yes he did, because of anyone on this blog, Bobby is the nicest person under 30.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I need to join a motorcycle gang to get rid of that stigma ;)
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Like this guy
http://banning-beaumont.patch.com/articles/cal-state-professor-accused-of-leading-motorcycle-gang
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I never knew Banning/Beaumont had their own website for news.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
if I come out I could probably give her a ride home
maybe
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I had no idea Bob volunteered again, what an amazing guy
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
I will have to bring two gifts,
Your Shirt and a gift for the exchange.
that’s two things to keep me entertained in the backseat of IVDown’s car : p
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
rereading this can be taken in at least 2 ways
lets see how this plays out
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I’m guessing the way I read it was the second way you read it :)
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
If Bobby goes from two Friends to Three – Way he gets 1,000,000 TBLA points.
Then again with his luck it would just be a two way with Josie and his friend:)
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Yes, we know you have pulled off the two friends into a three way. On a surfboard, in Costa Rica, with Sisters, while sharks nipped at your heels in the ocean, and the father was chasing you from the beach.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I was editing myself from making a rude comment about my fellow TBLA ’ers
You wanna here one of those stories, buy me a beer and I will make you laugh.
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
I forgot about that
But I will be going out to anaheim later on in the night, though the backseat of my car is notoriously awfully small.
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I can make myself into a tiny person, lie down, watch a movie on my phone : )
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
That stops?
when does that stop? Sounds lame not to celebrate your bday with bros
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
when everything else is more important and you are over being celebrated
My birthday is way more important to my wife than it is to me, so when I am home, I usually make it a her + me thing
But I spend most of mine traveling and thus most alone
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
I don't even need to celebrate myself
I just like having an excuse to get together with my bros
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I think when you hit the age where staying up past 10 is hard.
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
It stops
at that point when your pals in your 20s get married, move away or just move on. It is pretty hard to schedule time with people I have known for 20+ years because they all have their own things to do. You might be fortunate to get a new crew to do things with but that crowd will be smaller.
It starts ending in your late 20s and really ends after 30.
I’ve been told (just now, by me) that 35 is the new 21
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting – what age do you think you were, all things considered, at your peak?
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
Okay - 46
I can say I was much much much stronger at age 30 because I lifted weights two hours a day in between marriages, but at age 46 I had the greatest softball season of my life. Then I retired.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
wow
Age 28 physically
Age 30 as a package, physical plus professional
Age 38 as a human, physical plus professional plus emotional
now wisdom stick moves slowly up, intelligence has stalled, and the body is rolling down the hill
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
I'm there!
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I found out last night that one of the people I would have been doing something with
is off on the 9th so i will be taking her to the restaurant.
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too many pronouns
is this the bird or not?
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
Voting
24 year old Catcher – 17
20 year old Rookie League Outfielder – 15
Math could be wrong.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
your math is right
and somebody else just voted for FedEx so he holds a 18 – 15 lead
I might as well keep it open the rest of today and then just start fresh tomorrow at #11 since I think it makes sense to put the loser of the run-off vote at #10
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 29, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Just letting you know I have no plans for voting for Baldwin for number 10. I can’t speak for the other 18 FedEx Voters.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I would not have voted for either for 9 or 10, but I can see Baldwin winning easily and at this point its just a jumbled mass of C+ guys.
Baldwin was winning the original #9 vote as follows
Baldwin – 11
FedEx – 10
Garcia – 5
Songco – 5
Sanchez – 5
Van Slyke – 3
Castle – 1
Of the 10 people that voted Fedex, I think those votes would all just get split up between the other few candidates so I would think Baldwin would win the #10 vote pretty easily
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 29, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
If there’s a situation where it makes sense to sit a useful player so the prospect can get playing time you’re doing it wrong.
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
I could only think of an example in another sport too
And while he wasn’t in his prime, there were stories of Sam Cassell telling Dunleavy that he should leave Shaun Livingston in the game in the 4th quarter on those nights when Shaun was really in the zone. That’s pretty much textbook of the old veteran grooming the up and coming star.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2011 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
Of course Cassell was also secretly replacing Stevenson’s cereal milk with a dairy substitute that didn’t give his growing body the calcium it needed. It was only a matter of time before he got hurt.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
You could argue the productive part
but Raffy Furcal knew that the Dodgers wanted to play Dee in the last two months of the season and he ended up with a ring.
Right
If Furcal was not traded, that transition would not have been smooth.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
So there will be a 24 year old middle relief prospect and a 24 year old (likely) backup catcher in the top 10
Is this:
A) An indictment of the Dodgers system
B) An indictment of TBLA voters
C) All of the above?
Well considering how easily people were swayed by Gary seeing a video of Chris Reed warming up :)
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t most number one picks automatically pop into the top 10 of just about every single organization?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Sure. Most number one picks aren’t college relievers though.
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
We did graduate a shit load of players so probably A. I think Tolleson was a reach for the voters but I’ll be surprised if Fed Ex is not in the top 10 from BA or HQ.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I won’t be surprised if either of them aren’t in anyone’s top 10. Tolleson is self explanatory and FedEx hasn’t been in anyone’s top 20 in the past, and I don’t think he did enough last year to move up that high unless they really think all of our young guys have no chance.
Karl Ravetch says Gene Lamont is no longer a candidate for the Red Sox managerial job, and that the hiring of Bobby V in Beantown appears “imminent.”
That’s good, since I like Valentine more on Baseball Tonight than on Sunday Night Baseball. Stick with Shulman and Hershiser, and ESPN will be golden.
Now that we have signed Kennedy I don’t see what else this team could possibly need. Having sewn up the three biggest free agents of the winter of 2011 Ned has managed to fill the void at 2nd, LF, and 2nd again.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Kurodas replacement?
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
by VeroJoe on Nov 29, 2011 3:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
meercat
Was eaten by a snark shark. :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2011 3:29 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Thanks to Twitter, I now know USC wide receiver Robert Woods is deathly allergic to shrimp.
Ah shit, there are enough UCLA fans on this site to make me wish I hadn’t said anything :)
then he should stop sucking little dicks
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Transfering to Penn State?
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oh god, do I love Troy.
I love him.
Love him.
LOVE HIM.
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
I love him so much that I wanted him to stay out of the game on Sunday night when his bell was rung
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Palomolecules
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 29, 2011 3:30 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Knocking on wood of course I hope the same, but I am a little leery of his size not being conducive to the NFL.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
Woods: 6’1", 180
Lee: 6’0", 190
Woods runs awesome routes, both are fast but Lee is faster, and got much better at running routes as the season wore on.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
George Farmer is faster than everyone, and he is 6’1", 205. Will be interesting to see how they use him next year.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
I suppose it could be spun either way, but I think it helps recruiting when you can point to X number of NFL players, and successful ones at that.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
ah
long term thinker. Long Beach State BB fans never have to wonder how they will do in the NBA
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Of course you can say, look at what an NFL bust Reggie Bush is, and look what we did with him at USC. We can do the same for your marginally talented son too!
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
And leave Taylor Mays out of the conversation
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Taylor Mays is going to have a long career in the NFL
even if it is only as a special teams stud and backup
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I was going to say Terrell Thomas but he's on IR so whatevs
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Very few linebackers
even good ones like those are game changers. Your safeties and wide receivers can do that.
I don’t think you scheme against Matthews or Cushing.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 29, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
When they provide the pass rush of Clay Mathews?
I think you are underestimating how much of an impact those two players have.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Swole dude with long blond hair that hits stuff with a big hammer it’s the part he was born to play.
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
Clay Matthews might be the guy who turned the superbowl last year
I believe in my bruised black and gold heart that is Mendy doesn’t fumble there the Steelers go on to win
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
Scotty Pods signed a minor league deal with the Phillies including an invitation to spring training, per Rosenthal.
Man, remember when the Dodgers were only a Podsednik “yes” away from paying him $2 million for 2011?
We were oh so excited when we got Gibbons and Thames instead.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
frying pan and fire – both cook your ass
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
Is it sad that he came off as a better actor
then the “professionals”?
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
The big thing about the Friendzone
and if you are in it.
I think that if somehow move passed that, you should be able to look for signs early on that perhaps there was an indication that she wanted to change status. Was she overly sensitive when perhaps she was fishing for a compliment and you didn’t come through. Did she want to date like things like going out with you or did she prefer hanging out at malls, or at home. Did she invite to special gatherings and make an effort to spend time with you (and vice versa).
I can almost guarantee that if you have been doing things together for 4 months or so, these occasions would have arisen. So think back and see if any of this rings true.
maybe she asked you why you didn't ask her to the winter formal...
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I look to tv to help me in situations like this
JD and Elliot, Ted and Robin, Ross and Rachel, etc… These men and their willingness to look like idiots give me hope!
I need to steal a blue horn
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Ted and Robin don’t end up together. Barney and Robin might though.
And in Felicity it turned out she was just dreaming, so that doesn’t really help you.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
I literally just caught up to the latest episode today
I know Ted and Robin don’t end up together, but they were so good with each other they should have. I think Ted did a dynamite job while with her, lol.
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TV is not real life.
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
I’m just trying to help here because there’s lots of people that think relationships work just like TV!
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
Can you stop time? If not, you aren’t Zach Morris.
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for being here
Because I’m really just so delusional I believe that television has mended together with real life and I think I’m actually the 6th Friend, the 6th person who hangs out in How I Met Your Mother, and one of the new interns on Scrubs!
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If I remember correctly, his DNA actually changed as well.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2011 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
It looks like I stopped watching Family Matters at the right time.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
As a kid, I hadn’t heard the phrase “jump the shark”, but i knew the show had gotten completely absurd.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2011 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
I mean I knew it was absurd
but I was young enough that I still watched it up until the last couple seasons.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Other than some weird Tyler Perry cooked-up thing, could Family Matters get made today?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Are there any really terrible family comedies left on TV?
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Isn’t Jim Belushi still on TV? That Tim Allen show, grasping for others…
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
Friday night went from TGIF to shows nerds like.
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
Wouldn’t “Up all night” qualify? Also the new show “I hate my teenage daughter”
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
I haven’t seen any of these so I can’t compare but man watching an episode of Family Matters these days is painful.
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
Early Family Matters could
It would just be on Saturday mornings when shows like Hang Time and Saved By the Bell the New class are on.
It’s a kid show and the early show was a pretty textbook sitcom.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Jon posted a video
of a pilot featuring Maura Tierney in an interracial relationship that was done just before NewsRadio. I have no memory of that show.
She always seemed like someone who would be nice to date
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
She's a sneaky kisser on TV
She’s tend to not quite pounce (it is a sitcom) but all of sudden she’s kissing the guy.
4 great cast members
plus Andy Dick, the Fear Factor guy and the bar owner in Treme
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I refuse to let
Joe Rogan be called great.
Are you referring to Dave Foley, Maura Tierney, Phil Hartman and Stephen Root?
That's why
I included him in the second list
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
whats crazy is Urkle doesn't even appear till the 12th episode
and was supposed to be in only one episode, but was so popular he literally saved the show from cancellation.
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Honest question, would more people in their 20s recognize Urkel than Jesus?
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, Jesus might take it a bit far, but is he the most recognizable pop culture icon for someone who grew up in the early 90s?
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll buy that.
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
A few others like Screech or Zach Morris would be close.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
I feel like you’d have to actually watch Saved By The Bell to know who they were. Everyone has awareness of Urkel.
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by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
Thinking back to merchandising
Urkel was everywhere. Backpacks, folders, tee shirts. Everywhere.
Other than Jordan, the guy probably sold more crap with his likeness on it than anybody.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
Olsen Twins.
Fucking billionaires. Literally.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
they are billionaires
or they are having sex with billionaires?
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
their younger sister is more attractive
then both of them combined.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
She looks better than the fictitious third Olsen Twin as reported by Onion News a few years back I take it?
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
Do they?
He wasn’t that famous, was he?
I mean Bart Simpson has that kind of iconic status, but does Urkel?
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
he was all up in everything. Bart would be more recognizable I think though.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Also a good choice.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Nov 29, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
Only because Bart had the benefit of not aging
That being said, Bart was his most popular early in the show before the writing got much better and Homer became the de facto main character.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
He was on cable
Urkel was on TGIF, so that’s a big difference there.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2011 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
Photo lineup of Bill Clinton in his prime and Urkel in his prime
and Urkel wins easily.
by Michael White on Nov 29, 2011 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
You are assuming Jesus looked like his portraits
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
you mean he wasn’t a white dude with blue eyes, flawless skin and long flowing hair?
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
like the white dude with the beard or my hispanic neighbor?
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Hey
that actor is like the Jack Nicholson at UCLA basketball games. Had two courtside seats at Pauley and he is there all the time.
Jaleel White
it was weird when I found out he was actually a decent looking dude
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I found that out as soon as the Urkel/Stephan episodes started
by Josie Becker on Nov 29, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
I think I found out a bit before that
it was like… wat
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
and then he cloned himself
and stephan became a completely separate character!
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Revis
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Per @ProFootbalFocus, Stevie Johnson has 11 of the 24 catches that Darrelle Revis has allowed all season. # NYJ
Phil. Homie.
Since your e-mail link below goes to the truebla@something.com account, check your facebook messages. Sent you something about your nephew.
Thanks, but you can use the truebla one, it gets forwarded to my real email.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Gotcha
Should I resend the message to your e-mail? I think I might still have your e-mail logged from last year’s $100mil payroll contest.
I am fairly sure when someone is called the blank number of the something, it is usually more important than this
GordonEdes Gordon Edes
Bobby Valentine will become 45th manager of the Red Sox, according to sources. He is expected here midafternoon Wednesday.
Though I could be wrong.
Hopefully his sources
is the encyclopedia. It’s not exactly a club secret is it?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
A brief story on 34 UCLA students showing up to watch last night’s basketball game on SB Nation LA picked up quite a Twitter following this morning. It was retweeted one of the dudes on the Dan Patrick Show.
Eric are you deep with USC? I want to buy my brother that Kiffin beanie he wore vs Oregon, but cant find it anywhere…. I heard other people have been going crazy over this beanie as well. Kiffin donated the one he wore to the Dan Patrick show. There is even a twitter account Lane Kiffins Beanie I guess, and a Lane Kiffins visor too. I hope Nike releases this beanie soon!
I have no connections for such a thing.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 29, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
Oh well. Guess I’ll just have to get my bro an itunes card or something. I want my shopping done by next weekend.
why not?
He’s already proven that he’s for sale
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
Oh
I looked up the pic of Kiffin’s hat and I see his was white with red striping. So nope, they don’t sell it and I am guessing Nike delivered those to USC that day.
How does he have a beanie you cant even buy? Nike makes these schools special exclusive gear to wear?
I wanted the US winter Olympic team beanie a few years back
notta
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
http://www.truebluela.com/2011/2/15/1996143/another-prospect-list
Phil, looking back, would you make any changes?
Oh sure, lots of fail on that list but I’m pleased I got the number one guys right:)
I didn’t believe in Eovaldi as much I should have
I believe in Elbert even though many thought I was a hater
Hmm lets take a look at the promoted guys:
Rubby – No 1pitcher
Sands – No 1 hitter
Gordon – No 3 hitter
Trayvon – No 2 Hitter – In retro I believe in him more then Gordon and that is probably a fail
Jansen – No 4 pitcher
Elbert – No 5 pitcher – seems solid for a setup guy
Eovaldi – No 9 Pitcher – Fail
Lindblom – No 10 pitcher – I think that is right for a setup guy
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
the word "slim"
should not be associated with such a product
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
and I would eat the shit out of a bag of those right now
like crumbs in my lap and shit
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
Those are REALLY good
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
The freeway offramps
are littered with Best HS Players in the Country
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
so you’re the freeway ballplayer killer!
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 29, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
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