Van Slyke and Silverio Added to 40 Man Roster; More to Follow?
Scott Van Slyke and Alfredo Silverio were added to the Dodgers 40 man roster yesterday, which didn't come as a big surprise as both players had huge seasons for the Lookouts in 2011 and were eligible for the upcoming Rule 5 draft on December 8th.
Outside of a solid year in 2009 in the hitter friendly California League, Scott Van Slyke hadn't had much success in his 6 minor league seasons. The 25 year old broke out in a big way in 2011, however, as he captured the Southern League batting title and ranked 2nd in the league in OB%, SLG%, and OPS. He split his time in the field between 1st base and the outfield, and while he isn't known as an elite defender he has a strong arm and is serviceable at either position. Van Slyke obviously has the bloodlines to succeed, and while I don't think he'll really be an everyday big league player he hits lefties well and it looks like he'll at least get a shot in the Show as soon as next year.
Signed way back in 2003, Alfredo Silverio's journey has been even longer than Van Slyke's. He made all the normal minor league stops along the way, and had varying degrees of success at the different levels. Scouts always liked his athleticism and he finally broke out in 2011 with the Lookouts. He still has trouble taking a walk, but he lead the Southern League in Total Bases and had a surprising 18 triples despite failing in 12 of his 23 stolen base attempts. Silverio played all over the Chattanooga outfield last season, and even though his primary position was center field I'm not sure he'd be able to handle the middle of a major league outfield.
With the Dodgers 40 man roster at 33 including Juan Rivera, there isn't much room for other minor leaguers to be added to prior to the roster freeze on November 18th since the team needs to save room for free agent signings. That being said, a few more spots can be created if the Dodgers decide to remove some marginal players from their roster like Trent Oeltjen, Dana Eveland, Ramon Troncoso, or maybe even Russ Mitchell, and therefore I wanted to do a full preview of the players who could potentially get added to the 40 man roster.
Rule 5 Draft Eligibility
I know there was some discussion in the comments recently about the exact eligibility for the timing of when players need to be added to the 40 man roster in order to be protected from the Rule 5 draft, but after some thorough research I believe I've been right in my assumptions all along so below is a summary. Players are eligible for selection in the Rule 5 draft who are not on their major league organization's 40-man roster and:
Were signed at age 19 or older and have been in the organization for three full years, so not counting the year that they were signed. So in reality, players who were signed at age 19 or older and have parts of 4 years with the organization, they are eligible for the Rule 5 draft. For example, if a player is signed in 2008 at 19+ years old, they will have been in the system for 2008 (half), 2009 (full), 2010 (full) and 2011 (full), and they would be eligible in the Dec. 2011 Rule 5 draft.
OR
Were signed at age 18 or younger and have been in the organization for four (full) years, so not counting the year that they were signed. So in reality, players who were signed at 18 years old or younger and have parts of 5 years with the organization, they are eligible for the Rule 5 draft. For example, if a player is signed in 2007 at 18 years old or younger, they will have been in the system for 2007 (half), 2008 (full), 2009 (full), 2010 (full) and 2011 (full), and they would be eligible in the Dec. 2011 Rule 5 draft.
College Players & 19-year old HS players drafted in 2008:
Now let’s look at the different groups of players who are eligible for the 2011 Rule 5 draft. We’ll start with college players drafted in 2008, plus the high school players drafted in 2008 and were 19 years old when they signed. These players are: Ethan Martin, Kyle Russell, Tony Delmonico, Jon Michael Redding, Cole St. Clair, Nick Buss, Jordan Roberts
The most intriguing name on this list has to be Ethan Martin, who was a first round pick just 3 year ago but was 19 years old when he signed so from what I can tell is eligible for this Rule 5 draft. Despite his struggles he still has an electric arm, and his recent transition to a reliever gives other big league teams even more of a reason to take a Rule 5 flyer on him since he can be hidden at the back of a bullpen. The rest of the names on this list don't really seem close to contributing to a big league team, especially since Kyle Russell still has a big time strikeout problem, so I can't imagine the Dodgers would give a roster spot to any of them.
The rest of the eligible players are after the jump...
2007 High School Players Drafted in 2007 (18 yrs old when signed)
Also for the 2011 Rule 5 draft, high school players drafted in 2007 who were 18 years old or younger when signed are eligible for the Rule 5 draft. For the Dodgers, this list includes: Chris Withrow, Austin Gallagher, Andres Santiago, Chris Jacobs
Chris Withrow seems like a certain add to the Dodgers 40 man roster since he also has an electric arm and as a former 1st round pick has been a big investment for the organization. He definitely still needs some seasoning in the minor leagues, but I can't see the Dodgers taking the risk of leaving him exposed in the Rule 5 draft. The other players on this list are much too far away from the big leagues to be considered.
Previously Eligible Drafted Players
Then of course there are the players who were drafted by the Dodgers and have already been eligible for prior Rule 5 drafts, yet have not been selected and are still with the Dodgers. These players are again eligible for the 2011 Rule 5 draft, and this list includes: Josh Wall, Griff Erickson, Justin Miller, Tim Sexton, Jaime Pedroza, Matt Wallach, David Pfeiffer, Jessie Mier
Scott Van Slyke would have also been a member of this list had he not been added to the roster yesterday, and since he's gone the most likely candidate to get added to the 40 man roster is another power arm in Josh Wall. Wall found new life after a move to the bullpen, and rumor has it that his fastball can reach 100 mph. He's currently throwing well in the Arizona Fall League, and is another guy who could be hidden at the back of a big league bullpen if selected in the Rule 5 draft. The only other player on this list worth mentioning is Griff Erickson who has moved up the prospect charts after a great 2011 season. As a catcher he's probably too far away from contributing to a big league team, however, and so I don't think he'll get added to the roster or get taken in the Rule 5.
2007 or prior signed Foreign Players (signed before season ended in 2007)
Next there are the international free agents. Since pretty much all international free agents are signed when they are 18 years old or younger, all international free agents signed in 2007 or prior are eligible for the 2011 Rule 5 draft. These players include: Pedro Baez, Geison Aguasviva, Rafael Ynoa, Carlos Frias, Bladimir Franco, Ramon Jean, Jose Dominguez, Daniel Tamares, Carlie Mirabal, Pedro Guerrero, Elian Herrera, Christian Lara, Alberto Bastardo
Now that Alfredo Silverio is off this list, there aren't really many intriguing names here. A year ago I would have bet that Pedro Baez was a shoo in for a roster spot, but an injury riddled season will most likely give the Dodgers another year of evaluation before risking losing him. Geison Aguasviva is another player who had a good track record before injuries slowed him in 2011, while Carlos Frias has a good arm but struggled mightily last season so has almost no shot of getting taken in the Rule 5 draft.
Non Drafted FA signed in 2008 or Prior
The final group relates to the players who were not drafted, but were signed as non drafted free agents. Since all non-drafted free agents are older than 18 when signed, the non-drafted free agents signed in 2008 are eligible for the Rule 5 draft for the first time. This group is probably not even worth mentioning and doesn't warrant any discussion, but in to be complete in my list here they are: Josh Walter, Steve Smith, Joseph Becker, Robert Booth
So Who Else Will be Added to the 40 Man Roster?
The way I see it shaking out, the Dodgers will designate Trent Oeltjen for assignment, thus leaving open 8 spots on the 40 man roster. I think the organization will want at least 5 openings for free agent signings, so I guess that 3 players, Ethan Martin, Chris Withrow, and Josh Wall will all get added to the 40 man roster in the next few weeks.
What do you think will happen?
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I thought Kyle Russell just missed the cut-off date?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
I didn’t think Withrow or Martin were eligible either.
by Michael White on Nov 3, 2011 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Martin is the one i'm not 100% sure on
but based on all the rules I’ve read he would be eligible. For Withrow, there would be no reason that he’s not eligible since he was drafted in 2007
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 3, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions
If they are eligible, any reason why the Dodgers would take the step of only adding two hitters yesterday, rather than the pitchers (and Martin and Withrow are absolute locks to get added.)
by Michael White on Nov 3, 2011 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Silverio and Van Slyke would both be minor league free agents as of yesterday
had they not been added to the 40 man roster (since they had been in the minors for 6 or more years), so that is why the Dodgers added them sooner rather than waiting closer to the roster setting deadline. Typically players don’t get added until a day or two before, but those two guys were exceptions. Credit Eric for pointing that out yesterday in one of the comments
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 3, 2011 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
i believe chris jackson from the Albuquerque newspaper wrote that
but he was wrong. Russell was drafted in 2008 so he’d be eligible
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 3, 2011 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Hard to imagine Tron Tron and maybe Oeltjen being on the forty-man in March.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 3, 2011 7:29 AM PDT reply actions
4 million+ for Juan Rivera?
Your 2012 starting left fielder…
Honestly, cant wait for ownership to can Colletti.
by Julio Nievas on Nov 3, 2011 7:31 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Rivera's agent
must have tricked Colletti with a fake pic of Juan in a giants uni. Ned couldn’t help himself.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions
$4.5m
I have no problem with Colletti going, but the Juan Rivera signing seems to be getting an undue amount of flack.
I agree. If we bring back TGJ at about $1.5M we will be paying $6.5M for all of Rivera/Sands/TGJ. It is not optimal, but not awful.
Assuming we don’t make a splash in the market (at 1B) and retain Loney, we have some adequate movable parts between the aforementioned players. This bodes well in case of an unexpected injury and being in the NL West adequate seems to cut it most of the time if the pitching is strong enough. I still have hopes of being competitive within the division next year even if we don’t acquire a bat to protect Kemp.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Really depends on what the budget is, does it not. If it stays the same this team hardly has $4 Million to throw at a hitter who as you pointed out in your analysis is not very good. The idea we spent 3.5 more this year for a hitter who is no better then the one we signed last winter seems to be a solid enough reason to send some flack Ned’s way.
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When a prior seasons worth of deals resulted in crap, taking shots at the first stupid deal of the new winter is probably warranted.
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by Phil Gurnee on Nov 3, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
My opinion of Rivera is probably warped, and I’ll be the first to admit it. I think $4M is high without a doubt, but I have higher expectations of him than I did of Thames going into last year despite his success with the Yankees.
I feel like Rivera doesn’t deserve the washed up tag like some other players that people may compare him to. To wrap up a long winded thought, I think he is still capable of earning his value given the right environment and he seems to be happiest in LA.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
JMO – but I think the only reason Ned would give Juan $4 Million is because they have already decided to move Andre Ethier and they expect Juan to be more of a starter then a bench platoon player.
Then again he gave Barajas 3.5 Million so it is possible Ned just likes spending more money then he needs to.
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That’s a possibility, but I also think it is possible that he brings Barajas back at something like $1.5 – 2M, so maybe we recoup some of the overpay.
I hope you’re right on the Barajas salary prediction but I have a hard time believing he’ll get a 40% cut in pay after putting up better numbers than he did prior to signing for the $3.5 at least in Ned’s eyes. If he isn’t a Dodger in 12’ I agree he’ll be paid something around the 1/$2M you predicted.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
shudder at how easily I could picture him saying that…..what are the odds Ned reads TBLA? LOL
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
The odds have to be higher than we would think. If you were Dodgers GM you would probably kill time on the net reading articles of interest…..Dodger articles.
There isn’t a better Dodger related site on the internet IMO…so in my wacked out mind Ned is creating a hit list and we are all on it!
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
I can say with nearly 100% certainty that Ned doesn’t read True Blue LA, but that people in the Dodgers offices do.
:(
wish I could take quite a few of my comments now
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
Anyone with decision making ability is not reading the comments.
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Don’t care about decision making ability, I’m more concerned with hearing shit from my Pops. The tirade I’d get just for discussing some of the stories I’d shared could potentially damage our relationship for life LOL. He’s a major overreactor! I can’t even bring up the Dodgers in passing conversation with him or he flips out. It’s a hot button to say the least.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
is he with the Dodgers organization?
If you could tell me but you’d have to kill me, forget about the question :P
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That sounds more right to me
They probably just read the stories and things like that. There’s so many comments to go through, and so many horrible non-baseball conversations, lol
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Wasn't that Ron Cey
on here the other day asking which QB he should start for his fantasy football team this week?
if that is true, then why haven’t I been given a tryout to be the new clown prince of baseball
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 3, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
For him to be worth that
he has to be a 1.0 or so WAR player (according to the value the last few years or so), which he was close to if not reached that in just his time with the Dodgers this season. Essentially it’s not going to take a ton from him to be worth the contract, which is why i’m cool with it. It’s not like it’s blocking the Dodgers from signing Beltran, I didn’t think we had a shot at him anyway.
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If you put together a 100 win team based on WAR do you have any fucking idea what your payroll would be.
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2008 Angels won 100 games with a $119,216,333 payroll.
2009 Yankees won 103 games with a $201,449,189 payroll.
No team has won 100 games since.
The 2008 Angels totalled 40.9bWAR
The 2009 Yankees totalled 48.7 bWAR
2011 Matt Kemp had 0.8 WAR less than all the 2009 Yankees pitchers combined.
New ownership should revamp the whole organization
by Julio Nievas on Nov 3, 2011 7:33 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Is this a slam against White or Watson?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
watch White go on to his next job and start drafting hitters
LOL :(
by delias man on Nov 3, 2011 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha!
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I assume that new ownership may be in place so late that they have to keep Neddy through 2012, but I can’t imagine much beyond that barring a playoff run. Ned is too identified with Frank, and Frank is going to be kryptonite.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Nov 3, 2011 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I am worried Dejon will end up moving on to new challenges much in the way Ng did. It’s hard to keep hidden treasures like that from eventually being exposed to new opportunities.
Major changes are coming, I have a feeling that it’s going to exhausting waiting for them to happen.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
There is little evidence to suggest White or DeJon are “treasures”. They aren’t awful at their jobs, but it’s difficult to tell just how much impact they had. There is a good chance I hold Adkins > Stanton over White’s head until he moves on.
who wants big power bats from your own backyard?
Not I, not I. Let’s get a soft throwing high school pitcher!
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damn
Just imagine the lineup with Kemp and Stanton hitting 3-4. So much raw power. It would definitely have ended up being one of the better 3-4 combos of the last couple decades.
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You shouldn't even compare
It’s like comparing anyone to a 1-2 of Koufax and Drysdale, it’s not fair to everyone else trying to live up to the great, which is Saenz and Phillips personified
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DeJon Watson only notable innovation since he became the director of farm operations was to create the January boot camp for the prospects to become acquainted to big league life so they were not overwhelmed when they got the call. Other than that he seems to like any other farm director so why the word “treasure”?
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especially
when he mixes up Billy Hatcher with Mickey Hatcher
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, it was a great idea which is why I gave him credit. That said I have no idea why DeJon Watson would be considered anymore GM material then any of the other 30 Farm Managers.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Because I know him and think the world of him and Logan from the baseball conversations I have had with them.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
In defense of White and Watson
Given the limited resources (money) available for the drafts of recent years, I think they’ve done a very job, overall. The Dodgers farm system has been rated consistently in the middle of the pack the last few years, and near the bottom in terms of money spend on signings.
We’ve been at the bottom as far as money invested into the draft which makes the Z. Lee bonus even more perplexing to me. Was it an effort to appease fans or was it a capitalization on an incredible talent falling into our lap that they felt they had to pay whatever it took because they considered him a “can’t miss”.
I guess it remains to be seen, just wondering what other’s thoughts were about the matter.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
It is
But that doesn’t make it essentially slot. His bonus was $5.25 million. How it is paid out is irrelevant.
I can’t imagine “slot” for a guy drafted at the end of the first round is $5MM, no matter how deferred it is. Most get their bonus, then get paid shit until they hit arbitration (like Kershaw)
by Michael White on Nov 3, 2011 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Draft
Position has the most impact on the amount spent. Lack of 1st round pick in 2009 was the reason why that amount was low. And unless you have multiple picks or draft in te top ten, you won’t generally spend more than slot.
Jim Callis analyzed draft spending from 2007-2011 here:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/2011/08/bonus-expenditures-2007-11/
Dodgers were 23rd (higher than I thought!)
Red Sox were 4th
Yankees 11th
i just heard her on ESPN radio last night
so is she doing both jobs?
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 3, 2011 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
From her tweet
Thanks to ESPN for 7 great years. Am beyond thrilled to join @Bankoff and the entire @sbnation @voxmediainc team!
raising the value of the company by adding names, it would seem. You know Stuart Scott and Scott van Pelt are next.
Always made me think of Wheel of Fortune when those guys were on the air together.
Before and After:
Stuart
Scott
van Pelt
This is why I wanted the Dodgers to sign Sean Casey in 2009
Sean
Casey
Blake
Dewitt
by Michael White on Nov 3, 2011 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Tommy B
just saw your note from a couple threads ago. If you see anything at your company, please e-mail me at gary dot allen dot scott @gmail dot com
ok
it’s a Financial Analyst job you’re looking for yes?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Financial Analyst, Business Analyst, HR are my preferred three, but I can do any entry level business job.
ok
i’ll try to get you the info sometime today, might be later though.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Eric
as SB Nation keeps hiring fairly well compensated outside writers to their program, have they done anything to appease the hundreds of bloggers working for tepid stipends? I mean have they assuaged any concerns the heart of SbNation might have regarding future compensation?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I’m guessing this ends the same way fanhouse did. And that doesn’t bode well for guys like us. Eric might end up better off depending on how important they view the SB Local model.
by Michael White on Nov 3, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
so pretty soon we’re all going to be talking about how cool SBN was before they sold out?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I was a big fan of the vintage Fanhouse, but that died a really slow death. They brought in the high price writers (Jay Mariotti and Kevin Blackistone are two names I remember.) Then they completely screwed with the layout of the blog and it was impossible to navigate. Eventually, they just shit-canned 95% of the writers. The writers I really liked over there (Brian Cook and Tom Ziller) made their way to SBNation, though Cook went with the Sporting Blog for a while until that was taken over by SBNation.
by Michael White on Nov 3, 2011 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
BTW, I never felt like Fanhouse sold out, I just thought they miscalculated how much people wanted to read the high profile writers rather than the bloggers. It would have been cheaper to keep utilizing guys like Ziller, Cook and Michael David Smith than pay Jay Mariotti what they did.
But hey, I don’t know what sort of hits they get on a Mariotti piece vs. a Ziller piece, so who am I to say.
by Michael White on Nov 3, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I forgot my smilely, i was just joking around. The “sold out” label is thrown around too much for my tastes.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, guys like us should not be expecting anything, but I’d hope the editors of each these franchises is at least being offered some type of future carrot as they see the company they are working for giving jobs to external people, while they are still fighting the battle of a functional job and a hobby.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I’m not saying it will work out bad for us in that we won’t be compensated (like you said, that’s a non-issue), I’m more worried that all these team blogs disappear and we lose our playground.
by Michael White on Nov 3, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh
Maybe that is why Chad has set up a new shop instead of actually joining us, just waiting for SB Nation to morph into something that is not cool anymore.
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Eric laughs and wishes Phil would stop writing shit that is not TBLA relevant.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
As a reader, I’d be more worried about ESPN buying them out, keeping the blogs, and them being subsequently ruined by troll proliferation.
But, if ESPN buys SBN to use their formatting, it’d be kind of bitchin to have Jon added to the same Dodgers blog staff as Eric and Co. here. Course, there’s a huge difference between DT SOP and TBLA SOP, so the rules would have to be adjusted.
Actually, scratch that. If you get Jon, Eric, Phil, Brandon, Mike, David, and Chad writing for the same bog, we’d have to worry about Don Cheadle showing up as Captain Planet to turn us all into trees.
If I were the Dodgers' new owner
I’d hire Eric in some Communications/Research/Media Relations capacity for sure. Just not as kitten-sitter.
Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.
Eric and Phil
are the 99% of SBN. If anything all these years of writing on TBLA make for a tremendous resume, especially for Eric. Dodger Thoughts helped Jon nail a job writing for ESPN. Of course he had a good resume before DT, but still. I would think someone like Eric could easily get picked up to write for a national sports affiliate.
How many of the 300 plus bloggers on SB Nation over the past five years have turned this resume into a real job?
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I don’t think 300+ would be qualified. Probably more like 30 to 40. Still, I think it would look great on a resume for those like Eric. Plus, not sure how many of those would even want a “real” job out of it. Cameron turned his blog at USSM into a real job. Some would argue that it is more of a hobby-job.
Rule Five
Guys like Saint Claire are always risky bets to get picked. Not that losing loogy’s is a big deal but I’d expect him to get picked if he’s not protected.
Griff is interesting, easy to hide a 3rd catcher for non contender, especially a switch hitting one who has at least played successfully in AA.
Any GM should take a shot at Ethan Martin so I expect he will be protected.
Tron Tron needs to be removed.
So I’d try to find a way to protect the bubble players Claire, Martin and Erickson. Our only functional LH right now is Elbert. You kind to need to keep Claire for the protection.
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Child Dee Gordon, or (as someone on Twitter commented) Another Bad Creation
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Haha!
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Wrong Josh?
We have both a Josh Wall and a Josh Walter? I hope someone doesn’t sign the wrong Josh to a roster spot by mistake.
ha yep we do have both guys
i hope that doesn’t happen either because Walter doesn’t have much value
by Brandon Lennox on Nov 3, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
NPUT
http://www.truebluela.com/2011/11/3/2535568/dodger-sale-and-other-links-for-a-thursday
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