Clayton Kershaw, Matt Kemp Pass Peer Review With Flying Colors
by Eric Stephen on Nov 3, 2011 5:37 PM PDT
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Clayton Kershaw and Matt Kemp will have to wait another few weeks to see how they were ranked by baseball writers, but on Thursday each were honored by their peers. In the MLB Players Choice Awards, voted on by major league players, Kershaw won Most Outstanding National League Pitcher, while Kemp won Most Outstanding National League Player.
Kemp is the first Dodger to win NL Outstanding Player, which has been awarded since 1993. Kershaw is the second Dodger to win NL Outstanding Pitcher, joining Eric Gagne in 2003. Gagne also won the NL Cy Young Award that season, the last Dodgers pitcher to do so.
Kershaw beat out fellow finalists Roy Halladay of the Philadelphia Phillies and Ian Kennedy of the Arizona Diamondbacks. Kemp beat out fellow finalists Ryan Braun of the Milwaukee Brewers and Justin Upton of the Arizona Diamondbacks.
Kemp and Kershaw are the third set of teammates to win the outstanding player and pitcher awards, joining Albert Pujols and Adam Wainwright with the 2009 St. Louis Cardinals, Barry Bonds and Jason Schmidt with the 2004 San Francisco Giants.
In addition, manager Don Mattingly was honored on Thursday with a Lifetime Achievement Award from the MLB Players Association.
Previous Dodgers Players Choice Award Winners
Outstanding Pitcher: Eric Gagne (2003)
Outstanding Rookie: Raul Mondesi (1994), Todd Hollandsworth (1996)
Comeback Player: Nomar Garciaparra (2006)
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NL Players of the Year
Year National League
Player Team
1993 Barry Bonds San Francisco Giants
1994 eff Bagwell Houston Astros
1995 Dante Bichette Colorado Rockies
1996 Ken Caminiti San Diego Padres
1997 Larry Walker Colorado Rockies
1998 Sammy Sosa Chicago Cubs
1999 Chipper Jones Atlanta Braves
2000 Todd Helton Colorado Rockies
2001 Barry Bonds (1) San Francisco Giants
2002 Barry Bonds (2) San Francisco Giants
2003 Albert Pujols (1) St. Louis Cardinals
2004 IBarry Bonds (3) San Francisco Giants
2005 Andruw Jones Atlanta Braves
2006 Ryan Howard Philadelphia Phillies
2007 Prince Fielder Milwaukee Brewers
2008 Albert Pujols (2) St. Louis Cardinals
2009 Albert Pujols (3) St. Louis Cardinals
2010 Carlos Gonzalez Colorado Rockies
into the HOF
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
If the numbers are meant to show how many times someone won the award at that point, you’ve left out Barry Bonds (1) in 1993, with the subsequent appearances leading to Barry Bonds (4) in 2004.
Obviously differentiating between Barry Bonds and Barry Bonds*. ;-)
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NL Pitchers of the Year
1994 Greg Maddux (1) Atlanta Braves
1995 Greg Maddux (2) Atlanta Braves
1996 John Smoltz Atlanta Braves
1997 Pedro Martínez (1) Montreal Expos
1998 Greg Maddux (3) Atlanta Braves
1999 Mike Hampton Houston Astros
2000 Randy Johnson (2) Arizona Diamondbacks
2001 Curt Schilling (1) Arizona Diamondbacks
2002 Curt Schilling (2) Arizona Diamondbacks
2003 Éric Gagné Los Angeles Dodgers
2004 Jason Schmidt San Francisco Giants
2005 Chris Carpenter (1) St. Louis Cardinals
2006 Chris Carpenter (2) St. Louis Cardinals
2007 ake Peavy San Diego Padres
2008 Tim Lincecum San Francisco Giants
2009 Adam Wainwright St. Louis Cardinals
2010 Roy Halladay (2) Philadelphia Phillies
Teammates to win awards in the NL
2004 – Jason Schimdt and Barry Bonds
2009 – Adam Wainwright and Albert Pujols
2011 – Clayton Kershaw and Matt Kemp
Kemp and Kershaw are the third set of teammates to win the outstanding player and pitcher awards, joining Albert Pujols and Adam Wainwright with the 2009 St. Louis Cardinals, Barry Bonds and Jason Schmidt with the 2004 San Francisco Giants.
I read all day
at work, I have to read posts too. :)
Sorry chief.
by bhsportsguy on Nov 3, 2011 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Players who won MVP same year as Players' Choice award - NL
1993 Barry Bonds (3) San Francisco Giants OF
1994 Jeff Bagwell§ Houston Astros 1B
1996 Ken Caminiti§ San Diego Padres 3B
1997 Larry Walker Colorado Rockies OF
1998 Sammy Sosa Chicago Cubs OF
1999 Chipper Jones^ Atlanta Braves 3B
2001 Barry Bonds (4) San Francisco Giants OF
2002 Barry Bonds§ (5) San Francisco Giants OF
2004 Barry Bonds (7) San Francisco Giants OF
2006 Ryan Howard^ Philadelphia Phillies 1B
2008 Albert Pujols^ (2) St. Louis Cardinals 1B
2009 Albert Pujols^§ (3) St. Louis Cardinals 1B
Pitchers that won CY Young Award same year as Player's Choice - NL
1994 Greg Maddux Atlanta Braves
1995 Greg Maddux Atlanta Braves
1996 John Smoltz Atlanta Braves
1997 Pedro Martínez Montreal Expos
2000 Randy Johnson Arizona Diamondbacks
2003 Eric Gagné Los Angeles Dodgers
2005 Chris Carpenter St. Louis Cardinals
2007 Jake Peavy San Diego Padres
2008 Tim Lincecum San Francisco Giants
2010 Roy Halladay Philadelphia Phillies
Sheesh, you’d think we won something with all this hardware. It would be dark funny if they both won all these other awards but both get shut out of the MVP and Cy Young
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
It would be unique
to have both a CYA and MVP winner from a team that never contended let alone won their division or pennant. Of the 18 pairs of teammates who had both the CYA and MVP on the same team in one year, only the 1962 Dodgers (Wills and Drysdale, did not qualify for post-season).
Hey NHL people
When there is a shift change, there might be a second or two when two players are sort of on the ice at the same time, going to/from the bench. Is there a specific rule or penalty if a pick touches one of them while there are essentially too many men on the ice?
I believe so. But, they have to play the puck. I think if it hits their skate it doesn’t count.
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Here you go
If in the course of making a substitution, either the player entering the game or the player retiring from the ice surface plays the puck with his stick, skates or hands or who checks or makes any physical contact with an opposing player while either the player entering the game or the retiring player is actually on the ice, then the infraction of "too many men on the ice" will be called.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26485
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beat out fellow finalists! beat out fellow finalists! beat out fellow finalists!
/Zippy
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Hey BH
When we going to the bar?
I think I will walk there, with the dog, and we can sit outside and drink
even still, wine during one of those sweet summer rains, assuming you’re sitting on a porch, is more delightful than sitting inside.
cold winter nights though, I’m drinking inside.
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nerd
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
got it refurbed a year go, ACER brand, finally got around to getting an HDMI cable this week. works great, then a few days later, WHITE SCREEN.
sounds like something that will have to get serviced
have you tried the old cables /dumb suggestion
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
disconnect the HDMI and try what you were using before.
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I have to have my scotch outdoors when I want a cigar with it.
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smoking=not fun
but that’s just me
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
smoked a cigar, was too drunk to care
smoked a cigarette, disgusting
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
i’d never smoke a cigarette, and have told both girlfriends that i’d rather break up with them than date a smoker. maybe it makes me off, but it’s what i am.
don't blame you
iz no goooooo
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I dated one cigarette smoker. It was sort of cool to light her cigarette, but as one comedian said, french kissing her was like licking an ashtray.
I smoke a few cigars per year, not often at all.
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i figure if you’re a smoker, dating a smoker is no big deal. If you’re a non-smoker, kissing a smoker will make your gag reflex kick in.
depends how often they smoke, tbh.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness
unless her only smokes are
Pole.
/been trying hard to resist a pole smoking joke
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hahahaha
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
reading all the comments
not many here in on acquiring Prado if the Braves are shopping him
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
Fine. She got overtipped, I got a 50% employee discount, the burger (english muffin, wing sauce, blue cheese, grilled onions, pickles, sauteed mushrooms, roasted red peppers, chopped chiles) was delish, and she loved the orange roses for her b-day.
Japanese? I could swing by and pick you up around 11:25 and we could hit O Shun on Main St. Or we could try out Andiamos for Italian. Where’s the best place to get you?
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I’ve not had O Shun, so that’d be great. Any chance you can pick me up at my building? Big tall white one with our company’s name on it.
The last several times I’ve been to counter was 1/3 burger with bleu cheese, lettuce, tomato, mustard, red onions on a pretzel bun. Delish.
Out front being the El Segundo Bl side? Is there a loading zone there?
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Did kinda have to eat it with a knife and fork though.
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good question
but who’s to say he’s not?
Chinese riddle for ya
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
man
that 2008-10, he be good
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
it just takes one adjustment without a re-adjustment for a hitter to go from albert pujols to Jeff Conine
boom
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
works both ways don’t it?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't remember what Kemp and Kershaw's ceilings were as prospects
Was Kemp’s “MVP type player” and Kershaw’s “HOF”? No matter what they were, they must have either reached them, or least be close enough to them to put them in reach.
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I think Kershaw’s ceiling was definitely this.
Kemp was a potential 30-30 guy, but probably in the corner and no walks.
by Chad Moriyama on Nov 3, 2011 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
So the result are pretty fucking good then! Awesome when prospects end up getting near their ceilings.
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wait
until we invite him to ST :)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he figured it out but his back has never cooperated. Or he’s just lazy.
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wouldn’t that be something? :)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
had to post this tweet from Danny Knobler, for silverwidow
Rays seem dead-set against trading Shields. They might listen on Hellickson before they listen on Shields (very unlikely they trade either)
can you imagine?
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THEY MIGHT DO IT
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
considering he’s about to get a big bump in pay, I wouldn’t be shocked. we just don’t have the mike trout to do it
right
but are you not a fan of Hellboy?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
same here
how about that Jeremy Hellickson?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
the little i've seen
he’s pretty damn good. not overpowering, but he can control what he’s got
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
well he's not throwing like Lilly
he’s got some zip, I just don’t think he hits mid 90s with his FB
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
for starters
average 91-92 and i’m happy. locate and you’ll be a stud. have a legit offspeed pitch and you’re an all star. have a legit third pitch (and one of your two off speed pitches is a changeup) I’ll come watch your speech at cooperstown.
man, a good changeup
is there a better pitch?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Trevor Hoffman made millions of dollars throwing 86mph and, with the same arm action, throwing a 74mph changeup at the knees.
No, there is not a better pitch.
my Dad told me as much
and he did not pitch in HS or college unlike you. He just paid attention to baseball all his life.
IIRC, one of the reasons Pedro was so dominant was that “Bugs Bunny” changeup he had.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
that’s why i wish Billz had more control of his changeup
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish Bills had more control of his leg kick, that would give him more control of his everything.
WHY AM I NOT A MLB PITCHING COACH
if i owned the team
i’d hire ya
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
only
a few billion away
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
you’re telling me :)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
word
but other than that, my favorite pitch might be that tailing fastball. the one that starts in the batter’s box and just drifts back into the strike zone. Greg Maddux was awesoke at this
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
great pitch
love watching when it just freezes a guy.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
that said,
i’m pretty sure that’s Hellickson
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
friggin Rays man
only good thing about being terrible for so long, you have the chace to have the farm they do. Helps if you have a good FO
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
True that. Their 2009 draft hasn’t yielded much of anything.
But, would you really want to watch 100 loss teams every year to be able to root for a Hellickson for 6?
nah
but man, i’d love me some Longo
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
went to John Bosco
where my bro went his freshman year
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Hellickson 4th round pick
Moore 8th round pick
Shields 16th round pick
Losing helps, having a elite draft/scouting team is a better plan tho
lol
bowchickabowwow
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
my parents have one, though it's a smaller one
it seems alright
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
they are perfectly acceptable
but certainly not high end.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
They are good for the price, esp the Costco price. I got one in July, happy with it so far.
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Like Jason Schmidt attempts comeback, signs with Dodgers for 1 year $3mil + incentives to $11mil. Said he felt he “owed it to the franchise”.
Now that’s proper trolling.
did he get
stem cells in his shoulder?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
it makes me sad to know that if i were to be put into MLB RIGHT NOW, I’d be what Jason Schmidt would be as a 3 year layoff comeback attempt
you need
some stem cells too.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
they testing for that
in the minors
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
don't wait till black friday
follow the deals in the coming month, best deals you can get without camping out for 12 hours will happen soon. Vizios where on sale several times last year before black friday.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Check sites like slickdeals.net and you can find some real good deals. Just looking real quickly I didn’t see anything currently posted (the 55" 3D they have posted I’m not a big fan of) that is the size you want.
They did have a nice Panasonic 32" on there the other day for a good price ($399 I believe) if anyone is interested. There are cheaper tv’s out there that size but Panasonic is one of the top brands out right now.
Anyways, just keep an eye out and do some research on sites like avsforum to find out information on what tv’s are good and which ones you should stay away from.
2011 Was 100% worth it because it brought us
“Bullshit!” – Vin Scully
http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/201110/vin-scully-announcer-baseball-history
if they did
they were FOOOOOLLLLLLSSS!!!!
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 3, 2011 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Gil Hodges is up for HOF consideration
on the Golden Era ballot.
Good luck Gil.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
Juan Rivera
blarg. New GM plz.
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
I think people should start getting back on his bandwagon mainly due to his arm strength. We need that kind of power with Rubby gone for a long itme.
I’ll take that bet in a heartbeat! I see Sands hitting 10 HR regardless if Withrow sniffs the mound or not.
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
OB12 what’s your thoughts on us keeping Ethier and Loney? If you think they’ll stay whats your HR predictions for the following players….
Sands
Rivera
Ethier
Loney
"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"
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