Jamey Carroll Drawing Interest From Rockies
by Eric Stephen on Nov 6, 2011 2:05 PM PST
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PrintThe Colorado Rockies and Jamey Carroll have mutual interest in one another according to Troy Renck of the Denver Post, which brings up a myriad of questions for the Los Angeles Dodgers.
Carroll spent two seasons in Colorado, in 2006 and 2007, and hit the game-winning sacrifice fly in game 163 against the San Diego Padres to win the wild card for the Rockies in 2007. Renck identified the going rate for a utility-type middle infielder as two years, $8 million — the contract extension signed by Omar Infante with the Florida Marlins last season — but also notes that the price might be too high for Colorado. But will Carroll get $8 million on the open market? Let's compare Carroll and Infante in their two years before signing a deal:
- Carroll (2010-2011): 279 games, 924 PA, .290/.368/.344, 99 OPS+, 4.6 rWAR, 4.7 fWAR
- Infante (2009-2010): 204 games, 735 PA, .316/.359/.408, 107 OPS+, 4.3 rWAR, 3.8 fWAR
Carroll definitely compares favorably to Infante, but it's important to note that Infante signed for his age 30-31 seasons, while Carroll turns 38 in February. Still, it seems clear Carroll will get a raise from his two-year, $3.85 million contract he signed two years ago.
The next question: will the Dodgers be the ones to give Carroll that raise?
It is still unclear what the Dodgers will do on the free agent market. While first basemen Albert Pujols and Prince Fielder would be nice, those two seem out of the Dodgers' price range. If the Dodgers do spend money on a bat, I would guess they do so on a third baseman (Aramis Ramirez, for instance) or second baseman (like Kelly Johnson, even though he is a Type A), with Juan Uribe shifting to the open position on the infield. But those are just guesses right now.
The only thing I do know is that if the Dodgers bring back Carroll, he won't come cheap.
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I will be sorry to see Jamey go,
but if he finds a good deal more power to him. We (the Dodgers) need to look at who will fill the hole left on the bench and in the club house (Jamey was part of the stop the voilence campagne at the begining of the season).
Speaking of not coming cheap..
But how about forget Carroll, and make a trade for David Wright. Puts Uribe at 2b, and is a big bat at a big hole. Add another 25-30 homeruns to the lineup, and another guy that can steal 20-25 bases. Hopefully since they aquire Wright for prospects, they still have money for Prince. Totally dreaming here, but..
Gordon, Wright, Prince, Kemp, Ethier, Rivera, Uribe, Ellis, pitcher.
That’s a dangerous and balanced lineup.
Balanced?
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
I'd settle for either one
No way we get both.
We've absolutely got the prospects to get him, just not to beat out other team's offers
And at this point I’d have to think it’s at least a 50/50 chance a major free agent will be signed, so if they traded for someone like Wright instead that would be just as good as signing Aram and just a bit more money.
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No, we don’t have the prospects to get him. We have some real good pitching prospects but they want a bat to go along with that. We don’t have the hitting prospect that they want.
How did I forget, you're always right
Thanks for making me remember that.
As GScott has said, there could be a 3 way trade involving a team with a prospect bat that is closer to the majors than anything we’ve got. If not, shockingly teams have been known to change from what they said they have wanted and taken something else. Give them Webster, Eo, Baldwin, and Silverio, maybe they decide to take it. As I was saying earlier, other teams could outdo that, which is the problem we run into moreso than not having a close to MLB ready good hitting prospect.
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Would you prefer my posts always consist of “You’re right!” and then I’ll just not post when I have a differing opinion? I’m sorry that my opinion doesn’t align with yours but that’s not going to stop me from posting it.
No I'd prefer you didn't act so smug about everything
You say no we don’t have the prospects like it’s a fact. You say no we don’t have the money like you’re Ned’s kid who he tells everything to. You can post whatever you want, how about maybe not acting like everything you say is an absolute.
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Maybe don’t read so much into what I say?
What I post on here is my opinion. Unless I am backing something up with actual facts then that is all it is. Do I really need to add “In my opinion” as a clarification to most of my posts here?
It’s quite possible that most people on here are laid back and relaxed with their comments when posting on blogs like this. If you’re reading more into things then possibly you need to look at how you are interpreting what others say.
I think you’re taking this a little overboard.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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Where is Frank getting this money? We don’t have new ownership yet and wont before all these guys are signed.
There has been talk all offseason by the front office about being able to sign a big free agent
Selig says it would be ok to get a big free agent because it would help entice buyers. In all reality McCourt should realize getting a big bat into this lineup through trade or free agency would be in his best interest.
I don’t get why you think there’s absolutely no way this or anything like it could happen.
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I don’t see it happening because the team is in bankruptcy and is obviously hurting for money.
Fans have brought up that signing a big free agent will be good for interest in buying the team but that’s just not true. Sure, some prospective bidders might like this. A lot wont though. A lot of prospective owners will either want to have their own guys signing players to big contracts OR will want to keep payroll low. There is a very good chance that our new owner is going to buy the team to make as much of a profit as he can and owners like Loria have shown that that doesn’t necessarily mean they will spend money. We could get lucky and get a guy like Cuban who will want to just buy a championship. I don’t see it happening though. Most rich people are rich because they are smart with their money and only spend it when they have to.
Gordon, Gwynn, Kemp, Rivera, Loney, Uribe, Ellis, Sellers, Kershaw
Your 2012 opening day lineup.
Kershaw makes everything better.
Gary, always dashing hopes with the truth :-)
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
I think we absolutely have the prospects.
But they will probably want Sands in any deal. I guess thats waking up from my dream..
I would too, but It would hurt to lose Sands and lose Wright the next year. But who knows, maybe new ownership could get Wright to sign an extension. It’s kind of like getting a tattoo.. hurts like hell at first. Then, it looks cool for a while. Then in a few years it looks ugly..
Alderson could be history, as well, even apart from ownership’s financial struggles. Friends of the GM believe he has no intention of a long run in Flushing. The working theory is that Bud Selig informally "loaned" the well-respected Alderson to the Wilpons to help stabilize the franchise. Eventually, the day-to-day operations will be turned over to assistant Paul DePodesta, the former Dodgers GM who learned his trade as Billy Beane’s right-hand man.
Hopefully the Mets can turn things around so that DePo can get another chance.
What is the posibility of Hawksworth starting for us to start the year? I know that he has started for StL in the past and if he can eat innings, this may help (I see him as long relief #7 starter)
As far as Wright goes,
I don’t want to give up the prospects it’d take to get him for one year….I’d rather just take the money, add a few mils, and sign Fielder and keep the prospects too.
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From Sphagetti on the wall Rosenthal
http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/as_will_listen_on_almost_everyone/7869649?new_post=true
Saying there may be a yard sale in Oak, if true I think that we should make a play on Suzuki, for Captian EO and Griff. This work on two levels, It gives the A’s a cost controlled pitcher that they can improve upon and a future catcher(Fringe starter/solid backup type) and it solidifies the backstop for the Dodgers and allows us to have K fed mature on the Moon playing against better talent over a longer period of time.
I’d rather trade for one of their starters. What do you think about Webster and Eovaldi for Gonzalez or Cahill?
Both are mentioned in the article as being available, but I think that we would have to sweeten the pot a great deal more than those two that you have named. I would say that they would want a bat to go with that, and they may ask for the player we got from StL.
Would it be better if Baldwin was added?
We would have a pretty sick rotation for many years with Kershaw, Gonzalez/Cahill, Billingsley,De La Rosa and Lee
Fuck Oakland
Sorry Delias
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Galaxy hosting third conference championship in three years. Winning franchise.
Girlfriend's an ACB member.
Been watching the games too, hoping to see LA win something.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 6, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
No, i'm not at the game
But i’ll watch it online
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 6, 2011 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
Yay! She’s proud of me! Maybe she’ll forget that I don’t attend Cal!
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 6, 2011 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
don't worry
undergrad << graduate institution ;)
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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Chemical Engineering
Probably the Engineering field that a master’s means the absolute least in.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 6, 2011 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
She just meant that if you get a master’s no one gives a crap where you got your BS. That said, if you get an MBA, get it in business. An engineer with actual business sense is like friggin Bigfoot.
There’s a bug that no one will ever see that I’m sure I can track down in a couple weeks, we can’t ship yet!
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but it might cause the Zombie Apocolypse
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 6, 2011 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
i'm fine with getting my BS from UCD.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 6, 2011 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
Yep. Fairly high ranked in ChemE
Tied with UCLA at #22
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 7, 2011 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
Let to the party but re: Carroll, I really liked him as a Dodger, it was a good signing and he was a solid guy.
But if it turns into a bidding war for a 38 year old backup infielder, I hope the Dodgers will say, so long, and thanks for all the fish.
No need to pay him that much. No idea what the Dodgers budget will be but right now assuming it is tight once again (with new ownership kicking in a ton more in the 2012 off season), then they have to save what money they have for pressing needs. It was a good run, Jamey!
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Yup, he gave us more then I expected, but expecting the same level of production from a 38 year old utility man while paying him level of salary seems like something I’d want our competitors to do, not us.
Infante was a utility man who became a starting 2nd baseman before his deal.
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Bobby – we don’t have the prospects the Mets need for David Wright unless you want to trade Rubby or Gordon. Does that work for you? You seem to have a problem lately with folks disagreeing with you to a point where you are becoming a tad annoying.
Damn Chiefs
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To add onto this (just the prospect part as the rest of it is over and done with), I don’t really view Rubby or Dee as prospects. I also don’t think the Dodgers will be trading either of them any time soon. I could see us trading Sands as they seem a bit reluctant to hand him a job but I feel as though the Dodgers have already given Dee the SS job and had Rubby not gotten injured he’d have been in our rotation.
Rubby is a fantastic talent and we’re fortunate he beat the DSL odds and made it to MLB. I hope to God we don’t trade him.
Dee is the second most entertaining Dodger I’ve ever seen and the most entertaining since Manny 2008, for me anyway.
I’d trade either of them for David Wright, and both of them if Wright agreed to a negotiating window and a 4 year extension.
I wouldn’t trade either for one year of Wright. Give me Wright with a contract extension and who I’d include would change greatly. A healthy Rubby wouldn’t be one of the people I’d trade and I doubt they’d take an injured Rubby.
No doubt about the extension part, but I’m firmly in the “prospects are just prospects, until they aren’t” boat.
I’m with you on that. I guess what I meant is I don’t think the Dodgers view them as prospects anymore. This may be more true for Rubby (though maybe not with his injury) than it is for Dee. This could also just be me buying into the Rubby hype based off of a SSS.
Oh I think both of them are (or would have been) penciled in as starters, and I think they’ll both do great. But David Wright is an interesting idea regardless. Putting Dre behind Kemp and Wright hitting behind him would lengthen our lineup a ton. End up with something like Gwynn, Ellis, Kemp, Ethier, Wright, Loney, Uribe, Sellers
If we traded Rubby / Gordon for Wright, then signed Reyes and Beltran, I’d sign up:)
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Do you think the 2011 Mets lineup with our rotation is a playoff team?
Maybe if you took the 2011 Mets lineup and added Kemp and Ethier :)
If you combine sentence A with sentence B then I’d say yes
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Loney
Carroll
Reyes
Wright
Baraja
Andre
Kemp
Beltran
Would have been kind of kick ass would it have not?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I don’t believe Andre deserved a Gold Glove I also never believed he was a terrible right fielder. Not good not bad, just average.
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Slow release on the arm though.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 6, 2011 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
Sands wouldn't be of any use to the Mets (though it's already established you don't think a trade can be done)
because they already have Bay wasting their LF spot away for another few years and Davis at 1B who will be pretty damn good. I still believe outside of our 3 best young rookies/prospects, some kind of deal can be made.
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The updated top 100 prospects for 2012 will include Eovaldi and Webster, as well as Lee
with Eovaldi already having a successful stint as an MLB starter for a while. It’s clear the problem isn’t the pitching, but if enough of it is included a deal can be had. I absolutely think a deal can be made no including Rubby or Gordon, or even Sands for that matter. As I’ve said before, it wouldn’t be the best package that could be had for Wright likely, so other teams could outbid, and I believe that would be the problem, not that there wasn’t enough to begin with.
As for the other thing, i don’t care if I’m disagreed with, i care about the manner in which I am. If someone wants to tell me something is their opinion and then tells me no I’m wrong, something seems a little contradictory about those statements to me.
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A’s having a sale?
Not sure why anyone thinks we’d trade for a veteran catcher when you can just sign one. Especially Suzuki, what is it about him that you proponents for him like?
We could do worse then Scott Sizemore as our 2nd baseman. A’s say Jemile Weeks is untouchable but the guy just two years older who out hit him should be easily available. Tigers gave away a part they could have used.
Someone should give Barton a few more chances.
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I’d be down with Sizemore, Grady or Scott. :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 6, 2011 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
Suzuki
Age: 27
Contract: Signed thru 2013, 3 yrs/$15.65M (11-13) & 14 team option
But, before anyone says “get him out of Oakland and see how his bat plays”
Career Home: .260/.323/.399/.722
Career Away: .257/.312/.377/.690
I remember him being a good defensive catcher, but so is Ellis and he should be able to put up similar OPS numbers (and higher wOBA numbers).
I'd rather trade for one of the A's starting pitchers
Gonzalez or Cahill. Or maybe McCarthy
So, the Tim Tebow era did not come to an end this Sunday
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the second coming
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Nov 6, 2011 6:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
BCS Standings
This weeks BCS Standings are a complete joke. I’m not complaining about Boise State being #5. I don’t expect the BCS to ever let them into the title game so I’m fine with them just making a BCS game.
What I’m talking about is Alabama, Stanford, and Arkansas. Alabama enters the week as the #2 ranked team, loses, and still only drops to #3. Not putting BSU ahead of them is one thing but Stanford is getting screwed over here. There is a very good chance that Bama wont even play in the SEC championship game and still play in the BCS championship game.
Then there is Arkansas. They beat a top 10 team this week and DROPPED from 7th to 8th. I’m confused.
The margin between Stanford and Alabama is razor thin. If the Cardinal beat Oregon this week, they will pass Alabama.
They lost to what is supposed to be the best team in the nation by three points. If LSU really is the best team in the nation then I don’t see a problem with Alabama being in the top four.
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Josie talked about in the last thread that it could be the first time UCLA/USC will be on National TV in a while. But, cable will have to do. FSN has it.
Prime Ticket will televise that game in LA. They’ve had this years game locked up for a while.
And congrats to the Galaxy. West champs.
"It's a five letter word, S-T-R-I-K-E."
that’s what I meant. I can’t imagine a regional network being able to hold a game ESPN wants, it goes against what’s good for the conference, though I’m sure there’ll be hostage negotiation
I would guess ESPN is showing it nationwide
but its blacked out in LA?
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Also that week
You have Penn State at Wisconsin in a game that could decide that Big Ten division, and there are also a pair of games with SEC teams that aren’t LSU-Arkansas (on CBS) in Clemson v. South Carolina and Georgia v. Georgia Tech with the SEC East possibly still to be clinched, and both of those games (as of now) featuring ranked teams.
Nope. It’s FSN’s.
They’ve already started promoting it as well.
"It's a five letter word, S-T-R-I-K-E."
ah, for me at least there’s a big difference between Prime Ticket has the rights and no one else can see it! and FSN has the rights and it will be on the nat’l RSN network if not FX if the game could decide the Pac12 South
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Vinnie #3…who’s # 1 and 2?
I’m guessing Sandy at #2 and Magic #1.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/11/vin-scully.html
I can’t imagine any one Dodgers player being a bigger sports figure in LA than Vin or Tommy. Fernando is the ONLY one who has an argument.
by G.Scott on Nov 6, 2011 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sandy
Koufax was arguably the best player in baseball for 3 or 4 years. The last time he was introduced on Opening Day, he was last (Fernando and Tommy were just ahead of him). He won 3 Cy Young Awards when there was only one award given.
I understand, but then he went recluse. He was an outstanding pitcher, one of the best ever, but Fernando, Vin and Tommy are the personalities that comand the city. Maybe Koufax gets bonus celebrity BECAUSE he went recluse? I don’t know.
I think Sandy has a godlike quality because he is unknown in ways that Tommy isn’t and was great in ways that Fernando wasn’t
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 7, 2011 6:23 AM PST up reply actions
put a pick in for the Survivor pool. You have to choose the winner of tonight’s game since you didn’t pick yesterday
He doesn't HAVE to choose the winner
but it would help
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
:D
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 6, 2011 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
Late to this party but want to take a spin on Wright
I have been advocating, even when with my misspellings that Wright makes sense for the Dodgers. Yes it is 15 million for next year, but he has already said if traded he would void the second year. As underdog said, getting into a bidding war for Carrol makes no sense.
Don’t know the deadline for Kuroda, but I believe we should have an answer before the end of the month. Mets can use some pitching and don’t know late night’s ceiling, but that is the direction I would go.
IMO
I’d rather non tender Loney and sign Fielder if we’re gonna spend $15 mil on an upgrade, and keep the prospects it would take to get him (which would include Eo, who we’ll probably need in our rotation this year)
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 6, 2011 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
what is the point of this research?
What is the point of this research? To tell people that being in a relationship is better than being single? What a waste of money. It’s like research to determine that good teachers are better than bad teachers (i read an article in which that was actually researched!).
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let me help you
for many years data suggested that people in a relationship were healtier as a group than people not in a relationship
while the data showed this trend, no one knew why that was – there were many theories but not much else
This is potentially a reason for the phenomena
I think it is important to research basic assumptions – it is the foundation to really understanding the extent, consequences, and potential cure to problems that face us be they health or otherwise.
and if you didn’t notice, the study was conducted by the journal Sleep – researching the effects of sleep on human health is what they do
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 7, 2011 6:22 AM PST up reply actions
Never heard of this guy
but this is quite the pimp job
Yoenis Cespedes, being compared to Mike Trout, only a Cuban version.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
silverwidow is up on Cuban players right?
you know about this guy?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 7, 2011 7:24 AM PST up reply actions
Ha, yeah I saw that this morning. Swing is loooooooooooooooooooooooooong. And the throw they have him make is LF to home on a line but only from about 180 feet. Arm looked Ethier-ish. Good, not astounding.
right
I was laughing at Goldstein’s article on BP about him and the video. Saying that they hardly showed any video of him playing the OF
Guy does sound intriguing. I wonder who he ends up with. Yankees seem to be high on him, but IIRC they were on Chapman too.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 7, 2011 7:35 AM PST up reply actions
$30mil for a prospect whose age cannot be verified and has only ever played against inferior competition is hard to grade. That’s where scouts are impressive.
agreed
but I remember hearing that Cuban baseball was somewhere around AAA in terms of talent level, maybe just a little better. Of course that was just one piece of media’s opinion.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 7, 2011 8:05 AM PST up reply actions
also
Tim Dierkes of MLBTR says he believes the $30M would be over 6 years.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 7, 2011 8:06 AM PST up reply actions
Right, but it’d be double the highest draft contract ever awarded. It’s why international signings are so risky. You end up paying everyone like they’re first round talent.
yeah
also, can you or anyone confirm this for me? Someone in the comments of the BP article said he felt the guy’s swing looked like Miguel Cabrera circa 2003.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 7, 2011 8:09 AM PST up reply actions
It’s a good swing, but the comparison is both unfair and unrealistic. He’s a lot longer to the ball than Cabrera ever was, but I presume he’s young and has time to fine tune.
word
I feel all comparisions are unfair quite frankly.
Didn’t one coach in the Dodgers system say he’d rather reign in a swing than try to get someone to let loose?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 7, 2011 8:25 AM PST up reply actions
Question of Preference
$140mil MLB budget and $20mil scouting budget (inclusive of scout salaries/expenses and bonuses)
or
$110mil MLB budget and $50mil scouting budget.
I'd want something in the middle.
$125/$35 maybe.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 7, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
So
Would I rather have an extra $30 million in scouting or signings?
Since I bet we’re currrently $110/$20 right now.
I’d rather have it in signings right now since our window with Kemp, Ethier is closing, but in general it’s better in scouting. So in theory, scouting, right now in the context of the 2012 Dodgers, MLB budget.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 7, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
based on what Cuban did with the Mavericks and his coaching staff, I’d expect a Mark Cuban baseball team to spend more money on development then any other team in baseball.
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i was talking about that with someone saturday
the only way I can get behind cuban was if that was the case
Seems it would be easy to hire the best scouts in baseball given how underpaid they are in the baseball world. No one blinks about giving a Juan Rivera four million but spend some money on the scouts/development staff and owners shiver their timbers.
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And the Dodgers would stay in the best hotels and he’d make sure skinnyswag twitpic’d all the cool shit he gets from Cuban as a way to attract free agents.
by Michael White on Nov 7, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
It’s almost too dumb to explain, but I’ll try anyway.
I think he had a twitter contest where people had to guess his favorite cereal.
by Michael White on Nov 7, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
This is going to be way less charming when he hits .260.
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with a .320 or higher OBP, i'm cool with that.
Not that he’d walk that much…but still.
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by Taylor Maricle on Nov 7, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah if it’s Dee Gordon that means a .290 on base and a .300 slug.
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Is it really that risky? These Cuban defectors seem to have a pretty good track record of working out, Alexi Ramirez, Orlando Hernanez, etc. I mean, I’d rather take a risk on a guy that looks to be a tremendous atlete. Ned just doesn’t take these risks.
I wish I could find a list of all the Cuban playes that defected that signed pro contracts, to be able to check.
I know there are more than I am thinking of, but it seems like they at least generally provide some value. I can’t think of a hyped Cuban defector that totally flamed out.
Jury is still out on Morales, but that is because of injuries
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by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 7, 2011 8:23 AM PST up reply actions
Did you ever see him pitch in Palm Springs? Scouts loved him as I recall
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Not all were defectors but they were all born in Cuba, and played after 1960.
Rk Player OPS+ From To Age PA BA OBP SLG OPS Pos
1 Rafael Palmeiro 132 1986 2005 21-40 12046 .288 .371 .515 .885 *3D7/98 La Habana Cuba
2 Jose Canseco 132 1985 2001 20-36 8129 .266 .353 .515 .867 D97/81 La Habana Cuba
3 Tony Oliva 131 1962 1976 23-37 6879 .304 .353 .476 .830 *9D/874 Pinar del Rio Cuba
4 Tony Perez 122 1964 1986 22-44 10861 .279 .341 .463 .804 *35/D4 Camaguey Cuba
5 Kendrys Morales 118 2006 2010 23-27 1240 .284 .336 .502 .838 *3/D9 Fomento Cuba
6 Tony Gonzalez 114 1960 1971 23-34 5793 .286 .350 .413 .764 *879 Central Cunagua Cuba
7 Pancho Herrera 111 1960 1961 26-27 1036 .271 .349 .434 .784 *3/4 Santiago de Cuba Cuba
8 Minnie Minoso 107 1960 1980 34-54 1824 .274 .352 .410 .762 *7/59D La Habana Cuba
9 Yunel Escobar 105 2007 2011 24-28 2703 .289 .366 .401 .766 *6/54D La Habana Cuba
10 Jose Cardenal 103 1963 1980 19-36 7696 .275 .333 .395 .728 897/3546 Matanzas Cuba
11 Alexei Ramirez 96 2008 2011 26-29 2425 .279 .323 .421 .745 *64/8D5 Pinar del Rio Cuba
12 Roman Mejias 94 1960 1964 29-33 1102 .260 .300 .408 .708 *9/87 Abreus Cuba
13 Bert Campaneris 89 1964 1983 22-41 9625 .259 .311 .342 .653 *6/574D83921 Pueblo Nuevo Cuba
14 Tony Taylor 89 1960 1976 24-40 7258 .261 .321 .351 .672 *45/376D Central Alava Cuba
15 Alex Sanchez 88 2001 2005 24-28 1651 .296 .330 .372 .702 *8/97D La Habana Cuba
16 Leo Cardenas 88 1960 1975 21-36 7402 .257 .311 .367 .679 *6/5D4 Matanzas Cuba
17 Eli Marrero 84 1997 2006 23-32 2126 .243 .303 .411 .714 279/38D5 La Habana Cuba
18 Joe Azcue 84 1960 1972 20-32 3095 .252 .304 .344 .648 *2 Cienfuegos Cuba
19 Cookie Rojas 83 1962 1977 23-38 6871 .263 .306 .337 .643 *48/756D9231 La Habana Cuba
20 Zoilo Versalles 83 1960 1971 20-31 5514 .243 .291 .369 .660 *6/54 La Habana Cuba
21 Yuniesky Betancourt 82 2005 2011 23-29 3641 .268 .292 .391 .683 *6/4 Santa Clara Cuba
22 Tito Fuentes 82 1965 1978 21-34 6073 .268 .307 .347 .653 *46/5 La Habana Cuba
23 Nelson Santovenia 81 1987 1993 25-31 972 .233 .281 .364 .645 *2/3 Pinar del Rio Cuba
24 Mike de la Hoz 81 1960 1969 21-30 1193 .251 .290 .365 .655 546/73 La Habana Cuba
25 Brayan Pena 75 2005 2011 23-29 728 .251 .293 .359 .652 *2/D5 La Habana Cuba
26 Jose Tartabull 75 1962 1970 23-31 2020 .261 .303 .320 .622 87/9 Cienfuegos Cuba
27 Marty Martinez 70 1962 1972 20-30 1038 .243 .296 .287 .583 6/542731 La Habana Cuba
28 Chico Fernandez 70 1960 1963 28-31 1746 .239 .297 .337 .634 *6/543 La Habana Cuba
29 Sandy Valdespino 65 1965 1971 26-32 838 .230 .286 .295 .581 *7/9 San Jose de las Lajas Cuba
30 Paul Casanova 64 1965 1974 23-32 2930 .225 .252 .319 .571 *2 Colon Cuba
31 Chico Ruiz 60 1964 1971 25-32 1255 .240 .279 .295 .574 45/63792 Santo Domingo Cuba
32 Rey Ordonez 59 1996 2004 25-33 3407 .246 .289 .310 .600 *6 La Habana Cuba
33 Jose Arcia 52 1968 1970 24-26 662 .215 .260 .278 .538 6/45783 La Habana Cuba
34 Jackie Hernandez 49 1965 1973 24-32 1609 .208 .256 .270 .526 *6/54938 Central Tinguaro Cuba
35 Camilo Pascual 47 1960 1971 26-37 724 .209 .250 .278 .528 *1 La Habana Cuba
36 Livan Hernandez 38 1996 2011 21-36 1108 .222 .231 .296 .528 *1 Villa Clara Cuba
37 Luis Tiant 17 1964 1982 23-41 570 .164 .185 .224 .409 *1 Marianao Cuba
38 Pedro Ramos 13 1960 1970 25-35 418 .136 .166 .257 .423 *1 Pinar del Rio Cuba
39 Diego Segui 7 1962 1977 24-39 422 .151 .183 .201 .383 *1 Holguin Cuba
40 Orlando Pena 1 1960 1975 26-41 265 .143 .191 .174 .365 *1 Victoria de las Tunas Cuba
41 Danys Baez -10 2001 2011 23-33 6 .167 .167 .167 .333 *1 Pinar del Rio Cuba
42 Vladimir Nunez -14 1998 2009 23-34 69 .133 .148 .183 .331 *1 La Habana Cuba
43 Mike Cuellar -15 1964 1977 27-40 715 .115 .128 .171 .299 *1 Las Villas Cuba
44 Jose Contreras -72 2003 2011 31-39 33 .000 .094 .000 .094 *1 Las Martinas Cuba
45 Tony Fossas -100 1988 1999 30-41 1 .000 .000 .000 .000 *1 La Habana Cuba
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Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Breaking Bad in San Bernadino
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-biker-professor-20111106,0,2511131.story
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Contending Teams that need a 3rd baseman:
Rockies – big bloody yes
Giants – No
Diamondbacks – probably No
Cardinals – No
Brewers – Hell Yes
Reds – Kind of
Braves – Yes, could put Chipper in LF for his last year
Phillies – No
Boston – No
Yankee’s – No
Rays – No
Tigers – You betcha
Indians – No
Twins – Yaa
Rangers – No
Angels – Yuppity Yup
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So Twins, Angels, Tigers, Braves, Brewers, Rockies, Dodgers could all use David Wright:
Met’s needs:
Losing Reyes, decent prospect in Tejada may not be looking for a SS
Duda / Davis seem to have 1st base, OF covered.
Bay in RF
Young catcher
Looks like a center fielder, 2nd baseman, 3rd baseman
and lots and lots of pitching.
Now if they are interested in building out a few years then sure Lee, Gould would entice. If they want major league ready now then Eovaldi for sure and Webster.
We however do not have a CF, 2nd baseman, or 3rd baseman.
Not sure I’m enough of a believer in Wright these days to want to commit cost controlled pitching for an expensive 3rd baseman who won’t be around long. His K rate jumped from the mid teens to the mid 20’s over the past three years. Many think the new park is the problem but his road OPS is not much different then his home OPS. A better slug% gives way to a much lower OB%.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Rockies might be an insanely great fit for Wright and they certainly have the players to get a deal done.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Rockies seem to be pretty high on Arenado
So I’d be surprised to see them make a big commitment to Wright, unless they are just considering him for the one year.
I forgot to put up a post about that. I won’t be able to make it but feel free to sign up if there are enough people who want to play.
The key is finding 12 TBLA members who play a legitimate game of softball who are not playing hard ball on that date and who will spend $35 to rep TBLA.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Wish List
Xeifrank
Nate
Robot
Gary
HJ
JRock
UCLA32
Nolij
would be a good core to work from.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Those big league dream fields are worth it. I think we can field a team. I may have to start doing some recruiting.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
We played our opening game of my senior year there.
In the Tiger Stadium one.
(We lost 6-2)
The place is pretty cool.
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Nov 7, 2011 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure I could get a couple guys, and I’m sure Kevin could help us fill in the holes with guys he knows.
If we are going to use Ringers I know the best softball tournament players in the area due to my Palm Spring connection but I’d much rather use real TBLA members, and would hope the other teams do the same. I know Lex is a softball player and member.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
If I wasn't away
I’d be down to play 1B (to get my worthless ass out of the outfield, I get horrible reads)
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Nov 7, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
I could probably play given we made a serious run at putting a team together. I could probably even grab one person from my softball team (solid player, not a ringer) to help fill out a team. The tournament is right in the middle of the rainy season, so a crapshoot on whether or not you have playable weather.
I’ll do my best to clear my schedule and play
by Hollywood Joe on Nov 7, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
Fangraphs on Wright
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mets-david-wright-not-a-golden-goose-pt-1/
and
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mets-listening-who-is-the-wright-fit/
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Exactly why i don't want to give up Sands, Eo, and Webster for him
a rosy projection would have Wright worth about four wins a season for the next two, minus his $30ish million in salary (if he allows the second year option to be picked up despite the trade). Plus, the $5.5 million the compensation picks gives him about $15 million in surplus value. According to Victor Wang, that’s worth a top 51-75 hitter ($14.2 million plus inflation) or anywhere from a top ten pitcher to a top-50 pitcher ($15ish million).
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Nov 7, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
It took two columns to say David Wright hasn’t been an elite player lately and the Mets should trade him.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
Two different perspectives, two different articles about the same premise.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I like how it lists the Brewers as a matchup
Do they even have prospects of any kind whatsoever left?
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Nov 7, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
Something called Willy Peralta, but they’re trading him for James Loney.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
Yes, they have a fine 3rd baseman prospect and a solid pitching prospect in Peralta.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
So
everything in their system for Wright? Sounds like a wonderful idea.
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Nov 7, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
He who has nothing can more easily give up everything.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
The Brewers are still a very good team in 2012, and having Willy Peralta isn’t going to save the future. They’ve got one more shot, they should go for it.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
Probably. They’re losing Wolf too so they can move that money over but Gallardo and Braun are starting to get expensive.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
he isn't elite
but lets give up everything we have for him!
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
He who has nothing can more easily give up everything.
There’s a proverb that goes something like that I’m sure.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
I kinda want to bring back Blake on the cheap and let him fight with Uribe for it.
And by fight with Uribe, i mean, “let Blake play if he can stay healthy through spring training”
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Nov 7, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
If he's healthy, he can still be a slightly above average 3b.
Enough to the point where I’d rather have him and Kelly Johnson + more money left over for other signings than A-ram.
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Nov 7, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
With Uribe on the bench we can rest him 1/3 or 1/4th of the time.
It’s better than just straight playing Uribe, IMO.
Besides, why platoon Loney when we’ve got Fielder?;)
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Nov 7, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
Resting him with Uribe or Fielder v Loney?
The Fielder thing was a joke, so i’m assuming you’re talking about the rest.
Yeah, playing third is a bit harder on the body, but i see more upside that way, personally. We’ve got Rivera/Sands to platoon with Loney already.
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Nov 7, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
Fielder is a different issue entirely.
If you keep Loney (or non-tender him and give Sands the 1B job), Blake would be handy to either be a bench bat vs lefties or the lesser side of a platoon situation.
It's a great idea, but the Rivera signing makes him redundant in that role.
Since Rivera/Sands can’t play 3rd (except in the minds of ridiculously uninformed fans) he has more value there.
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Nov 7, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
I’m seeing Uribe throwing giant haymakers and missing by a foot each time.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
Juan Uribe hits like the Van Damme in Blood Sport after he gets chalk thrown in his eyes.
by G.Scott on Nov 7, 2011 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I wore my Dodger UCLA hat this weekend proudly for the first time since they gave it to me. Not a catcall could be heard.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
College Gameday
is in Palo Alto this weekend. I may have to finally make good on one of my threats to throw a shoe
I got to meet
Jeff Carlisle last night. Of all the national writers I’ve met, he was the least pretentious, and was familiar with SBNation.
You know damn well the BCS by-laws require one SEC team in the title game, no matter what.
by Michael White on Nov 7, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
The most painful thing about that gif is the NBA scores scrolling on the bottom
by Michael White on Nov 7, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
I know that .gif was from last year, but Boise State also beat Georgia in Atlanta, which seems like a better win than any Pac-12 team has.
by Michael White on Nov 7, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
you can’t play one big game at the beginning of the year and ride that through Novemeber. What have you done while your team was banged up, while players were suspended? They played Idaho.
Oregon beating Stanford in Palo Alto would be better than that win, with their only loss to LSU on a “neutral” field.
Eh, I don’t even care about this stuff anymore. You and I are firmly in agree to disagree territory on this one.
Though, as Eric and I discussed, we see Oregon beating Stanford and then losing to USC. Having watched a lot of Stanford and Oregon the past two weeks (Oregon in person!) I’m not all that impressed with either team.
by Michael White on Nov 7, 2011 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
There are other options. I’m now rooting for the Pac-12 everybody loses strategy (if Oregon State sucks, they can all suck for all I care) with UCLA going to the Rose Bowl, Oklahoma beating Oklahoma State (which I think will happen), Arkansas beating LSU, and Boise State winning out. Boise will still not make the national championship game, but it’s still fun seeing all the columns by the aristocrats about why Boise doesn’t deserve it.
by Michael White on Nov 7, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
Possibility of playing Penn State in the Rose Bowl, which could lead to some very inappropriate taunts and/or texts from me.
4 loss UCLA versus 3 loss Iowa in the Rose Bowl would be epic
by Michael White on Nov 7, 2011 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
Complaining about ratings combined with complaining about how 1/2 of the Rose Bowl participants fans don’t need to stay in hotels, eat in restaurants, etc.
by Michael White on Nov 7, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Yup. Iowa and UCLA control their own Rose Bowl destinies
by Michael White on Nov 7, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
It would be 5-loss UCLA, since they are clearly losing to USC. But ASU will drop one more game too so it’s all good.
by Eric Stephen on Nov 7, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
`Be that word our sign of parting, bird or fiend!’ I shrieked upstarting -
`Get thee back into the tempest and the Night’s Plutonian shore!
Leave no black plume as a token of that lie thy soul hath spoken!
Leave my loneliness unbroken! – quit the bust above my door!
Take thy beak from out my heart, and take thy form from off my door!’
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.’
.
And the raven, never flitting, still is sitting, still is sitting
On the pallid bust of Pallas just above my chamber door;
And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon’s that is dreaming,
And the lamp-light o’er him streaming throws his shadow on the floor;
And my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor
Shall be lifted – nevermore!
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
my older brother
memorized half this poem for school when he was in 8th grade.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 7, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
(slow clap)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Nov 7, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Pick a winner in the football game tonight
by Michael White on Nov 7, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
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