Dodgers Officially Bring In One Kennedy, Close To Adding Another
by Eric Stephen on Dec 1, 2011 3:46 PM PST
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The big news on Thursday regarding the Dodgers involved a pair of Kennedys. The club finalized their deal with Adam Kennedy to be their primary backup infielder, mostly at second and third base, for one year and $800,000. Tony Jackson of ESPN Los Angeles reported the details of Kennedy's $150,000 in incentives:
- $25,000 for 325 plate appearances
- $25,000 for 350 plate appearances
- $25,000 for 375 plate appearances
- $25,000 for 400 plate appearances
- $25,000 for 425 plate appearances
- $25,000 for 450 plate appearances
But the other news involved Kevin Kennedy, who will reportedly be hired soon as the host for DodgerTalk on new Dodgers radio home 570 KLAC, per Tom Hoffarth of the Los Angeles Daily News. That news isn't official yet, but what is known is that Josh Suchon and Joe Block will not return to DodgerTalk.
That is a shame.
Suchon was co-host of DodgerTalk for the last four years, including the first three with Ken Levine. Whether it was with Levine or Block, Suchon had a great rapport with his co-host, and had a good sense of humor. No matter the content of the callers, Suchon and Block put on a good show of which I looked forward to listening.
I'm sure both Suchon and Block will land on their feet somewhere. Both are talented with broadcast experience, and would be a great hire in many places. Just last week, Suchon called the USC vs. UNLV college basketball game for ESPN3.
It's not that Kennedy will necessarily be a bad host. He has had several years of broadcast experience as a studio analyst and game analyst, including occasionally being a part of the Dodgers pregame show on Prime Ticket in recent years. Kennedy managed for eight seasons in the Dodgers minor league system from 1984-1991, and managed four years in the big leagues, two years each in Boston and Texas. But you probably already knew that.
Kennedy is known for bringing up his managing past during his broadcasting stints, seemingly as often as Rick Monday doesn't give the score of the game. But he will probably do well as host of DodgerTalk. Kennedy just has high standards to meet, set by Suchon and Block.
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wow padillas head looks HUGE in that pic
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 1, 2011 3:48 PM PST reply actions
As long as there’s no news about the Dodgers joining forces with a particular Kennedy High alum, I’m ok.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Hey what’s wrong with Jon Garland? At least he was better than Garrett Anderson.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Dec 1, 2011 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
ah, a new thread
better hurry before we have over 1000 comments again. :)
Hosting Dodger Talk, while a good job for someone moving up the career ladder, has to be a bit of a demotion for someone like Kevin Kennedy who use to actually manage in the big leagues and do color commentating. Why would he take a job like this? Does he have other responsibilities besides the Dodger Talk gig? Maybe he has his eye on Rick Monday’s job or a job in the booth once Vin finally retires. It will be interesting (for a week or two) to listen to how Kennedy handles the crazy Dodger Talk questions and comments. Let’s hope he has a good sense of humor. :)
The running joke is xeifrank just z'ed through almost all of the previous thread
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Shift-A
I usually just end up wiping out 100% of the new comments if my SBN app that I downloaded the other day sniffs out too many movie, tv, comic book, star wars, fantasy football or food talk. The legend grows.
I came back from lunch and there were 880 more comments.
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 1, 2011 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Because
I couldn’t load 1100 comments on my computer. Well, I could load them but things get so bogged down that I can’t navigate the site and then the focus moves when there is new comment… yada yada shortstop.
I’m always in a good mood when the comment count is below 200. But after it climbs and climbs, watch out man! :)
I am way behind on several TV shows right now, including a whopping seven on HIMYM, and that is the one I am least looking forward to watching.
I am something like 3-4 episodes behind on Parks & Rec, but unless something has changed in those episodes I could not disagree more with Phil. I love that show.
yes, I suspect I’m in the minority. The bottom line is that the show no longer makes me or Verdell laugh so we probably have ended our relationship with it.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Bobby, I’m on your side here. But I think this particular argument should not continue.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I wasn’t arguing it, just telling him at least the first few seasons will be worth watching, even if not until current day.
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When did we start talking about community?
HIYO. Actually after the first few episodes community has been consistently awesome this year imho.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Still makes me laugh, though now I need less Dean just as I needed less Chang after the first two episodes.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
The dean is way better then Cheng was as a mainish character
they should pull back a bit now, but I enjoyed his time in the spotlight
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Also, Dean was the focus of the last episode, but before that he hadn’t had a storyline since episode 3 of this season.
Josie is about to hit you over the head with her Firefly
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
a fastlane reference, no way
To this point I thought me and my cousin were the only ones who ever watched it, lol.
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“I could never get into Freaks and Geeks.”
That’s like carrying an “I have no credibility as a human” card.
I love me some Freaks and Geeks, don’t get me wrong, but it had elements that felt a bit after school special
it’s written well, but it’s definitely “here’s the episode about beer. Here’s the one about pot. Here’s the episode about bullying.”
TOUCHE!
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costmart
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 1, 2011 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
Josie and fbihop are lucky I'm in a generous mood and have not blocked them for this conversation
;)
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OK ;) Forgiven.
But it did lead us to start a funny meme here.
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this is the meme that underdog runs into the ground
nexT!
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
The Wire: Here's an episode about drug dealers;
here’s an episode about police corruption. Yawn, next!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Well that really is fair criticism about that show...
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Freaks and Geeks was just one season?
I never watched the show, saw an episode the other day, lot of young talent there.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Couldn’t sleep last night so I went through a bunch of mid 90s sitcoms.
Unhappilly Ever After was a terrible show, but it probably had the most talented cast of the era.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
Geoff Pierson.
At least from what I saw this was not a high bar.
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I think we all know what he means
by talent:
i've been watching
Larry Saunders Show on Netflix Instant…. now THERES some talent!
And some episodes are just so DARK
I watched this when I was probably too young to watch it
And really liked the Dad, the son, and the daughter (who didn’t love nikki cox?)
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Spaced: Here's another episode about two slackers; here's one about comic books.
BORING!
(just kidding, love that show)
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This is incredibly confusing
Why is Juan Uribe the most searched player on fangraphs.com today?
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Suchon and Block were all right but they defended crappy players too much for me to play along. I still miss Ross Porter and his trivia questions. I won free tickets once for guessing that Satchel Paige was indeed the oldest All-Star ever.
if they are going to see the players every day and request interviews from them, don’t you think they’d try to defend all of the players, unless they went Milton Bradley or something? If we had Plaschke doing Dodger Talk, that might actually be fun for a month or so.
Certainly. I don’t want them to trash anyone and they should definitely defend those who deserve defending when numbskulls call in and demand Ned trades Kershaw for Varitek or something silly like that.
But often times it felt like they were merely playing the Baghdad Bob angle and shooting down legitimate arguments for “X Player should NOT be batting 2nd” because it wasn’t the party line.
by truemontenegro on Dec 1, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t like it myself very much.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Dec 1, 2011 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
This post must be deleted by a moderator. What if ned reads this and gets that idea????
by lnickerson88 on Dec 1, 2011 4:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I’d have a very hard time doing a Dodger Talk type show and being completely honest on the show with my thoughts on the players. No one interacted more with the players then Josh. He has to talk to them everyday getting those sound bites and appearances. Who could really say Juan Uribe is a POS and then ask Juan for a few minutes of his time the next day.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
And even Mark Cuban
ponders the idea why he should let anyone but his paid media folks put out these things now.
Does anyone have a guess as to the amount of clerical people that the Dodgers employ?
Do they ever have job postings for just regular jobs?
They have staff - probably of the type you are thinking, less than 10
not sure, they list jobs from time to time.
They have an IT Department
They have a Accounting Department
They have a Marketing Department
They have a Sales Department
They have a public relations Department
So I’d say they must have to fill regular jobs that have no nothing to do with the Dodgers but with running the Dodgers as a small business.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Yeah
I meant just clerical, they have ticketing department, marketing, PR, all those things, probably around 100 or so foiks.
some would consider AR/AP people clerical though I sure they do not think of themselves as clerical. We have 50 employee’s not sure any one of them would be considered “clerical”, small businesses simply don’t have them anymore. Everyone is an “administrator”:)
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
if only they had a
Baseball Department
They call me the thread killer
by Greg Stephen on Dec 1, 2011 4:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
an accounting department you say?
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
Sitting at the Tilted kilt
Having a beer. First time here. Color me impressed with the “talent” here in Baltimore
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by Greg Stephen on Dec 1, 2011 4:26 PM PST via mobile reply actions
did not know they where national
ponly one i’ve seen was in Bakersfield
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
yep
This one just happens to be near my daughter’s All County Orchestra rehearsal. I’ll be here next Thursday as well for a couple of hours. Its actually cheaper to have a couple of beers here than to drive home and have to pay tolls 4 X instead of 2X
They call me the thread killer
by Greg Stephen on Dec 1, 2011 4:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
So what did you do Dad while I was rehearsing?
Not much, played some pipes.
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The lungs in her
Could sure play some pipes
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by Greg Stephen on Dec 1, 2011 4:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The lungs in here
Could sure play some pipes
They call me the thread killer
by Greg Stephen on Dec 1, 2011 4:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This is where the Catholic girls go when they don’t want to hang up their skirts?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I'm pretty sure there is a religion
Going on here but not sure its catholic
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by Greg Stephen on Dec 1, 2011 4:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Talent in deed
They call me the thread killer
by Greg Stephen on Dec 1, 2011 4:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
they ate bubble gum pies
YUM!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 1, 2011 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Hey that looks like a cool dragon.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Dec 1, 2011 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
well
not anymore :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 1, 2011 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
He looks cool.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Dec 1, 2011 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
Hm?
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Dec 1, 2011 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
I hope not
They call me the thread killer
by Greg Stephen on Dec 1, 2011 4:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Unless you count E
As a Stephen woman Oliver:-)
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by Greg Stephen on Dec 1, 2011 4:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
that should read woman
Stupid phone
They call me the thread killer
by Greg Stephen on Dec 1, 2011 4:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
When I saw the title
I thought the dodgers somehow managed to trade for ian kennedy
the world isn’t completely mad after all
Oh, The Onion, you win again.
Urban Meyer Gets The Destroy-My-Personal-And-Physical-Health-Again Bug
I was bummed about losing Suchon for a moment
but then I realized, living in SB, I won’t get to hear Dodger Talk anyways (i think?).
But damn, Suchon really was the best. His sense of humor, patience, and knowledge was really high and very enjoyable to listen to, regardless of the “JUAN PIERRE IS A BETTER PERSON THAN MANNY”, “DODGER STADIUM NEEDS A TSHIRT CANNON” and “CAN’T RUSSELL MARTIN PITCH?” callers?
I think at night you can pick up that station
though maybe not anymore…
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Save us, Mark Cuban, you are our only hope.
Mark Cuban, the owner of the NBA champion Dallas Mavericks, said Thursday that he plans to participate in the bidding process for the Dodgers.Shaikin is amazing, by the way.
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The process could begin next week, when the investment bank handling the sale of the Dodgers is expected to provide prospective buyers with confidential financial data in a so-called “bid book.” A party that receives a book is not obligated to bid.
.
“[I] will see a book,” Cuban wrote in an email.
Man I’d so much want a copy of that book. You guys have some talents does any of them involve breaking and entering mission impossible style? We must have some felons who pass the time reading us? We need an action plan.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
My guess is that
someone (Maury Allen from Biz of Baseball or maybe Bill Shaiken) will see it eventually.
I am fully
On the Cuban train
They call me the thread killer
by Greg Stephen on Dec 1, 2011 4:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
so like a buyers prospectus?
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
MLB on XM
Listen to him almost every day on xm. He does a great job.
by bigoz71 on Dec 1, 2011 4:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions
@Ken_Rosenthal:
Sources tell me and @jonmorosi: A. Ramirez visited Angels, offer likely coming. #Brewers have also inquired. #MLB
Russ Martin is a free agent, no?
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Dec 1, 2011 5:32 PM PST reply actions
Next year meaning? 2012 or 2013
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Dec 1, 2011 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
2011 is over for me baseball wise
So next season to me is 2013 in my mind
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Really?
Because it’s over to everyone else’s eyes too, you realise. smiles
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Dec 1, 2011 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder how long it will be before people just stop responding to your posts…
by VegasBlues on Dec 1, 2011 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
You forgot 2012, maybe?
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Dec 1, 2011 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
If 2011 is “over to everyone else’s eyes too” then that would mean next year would be 2013, would it not?
True.... but in a year it will still be
2012
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Dec 1, 2011 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
However
I still count “this season” as 2011, where it shall stay in my heart, but I did not know that that was what you were saying. I apologize if I just started a needless argument/discussion. I shall attempt to do so less in the future.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Dec 1, 2011 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
I'm clearly speaking about the offseason
Next offseason is next year. Do I have to spell things out that much?
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Well,
let’s trade Uribe for him. Also, we could stop talking about moving Mitchell to catcher.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Dec 1, 2011 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
or Loney to third
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 1, 2011 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
Whatever
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Dec 1, 2011 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
lol, watching the football game with my Dad
Vince Young throws a pick
My Dad: “HAHAHAHAHA Nice pass Vince! Why couldn’t you do that against USC you asshole.!!”
Me: “Never forget huh Dad?”
My Dad: “NEVER!!!!”
then adds
“Stupid Reggie Bush.”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
he is
a good man
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 1, 2011 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
Served me right
having the over and giving the points to Texas that night as part of a 4 part parlay bet.
Check out Valentine’s face in this. First picture.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Dec 1, 2011 5:44 PM PST reply actions
Kentucky assistant AD Mark Coyle is the new AD at Boise State. Nobody here probably cares (hell, I only care if he can get us the money to expand our football facilities), but seeing as how Petersen was involved in the hiring process I figured I’d mention it (mainly because of the UCLA rumors).
It still comes down to this
Petersen will not make the same money in Boise as he will at UCLA, the numbers being tossed around are pretty historic for a Pac-12 program not named USC (5 years $20M for him; $10M to be split up for assistants).
But as we know, money isn’t everything so he may decide to maintain is life at Boise.
The ball remains in his court.
Yes
this has been big story today on the UCLA sites. I don’t expect an end until after the game on Saturday and let’s face it, the timing is dubious since they had the job opening for some time now.
Congratulations on voting for the truly best prospect.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Dec 1, 2011 6:05 PM PST reply actions
Whoever will turn out to be right in the next few years.
I still believe a lefty can after a bit master third base
by DodgerofTrolleys on Dec 1, 2011 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
Vince Young has all the physical tools
too bad he has a 2 cent head
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
As someone who suffered through watching him throw a ball for as long as I did I’m going to have to disagree with him having all the physical tools. There were times where I loved watching him play. That wasn’t often enough for my liking though. One too many passes at WR’s feet made me want to kill him more often than praise him.
ok accuracy isn't his thing
but he can throw it a long way.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
/Titanshate
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 1, 2011 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
man Blake Griffin is great
something about his staring into the camera on that kia commercial was hilarious
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
agreed
that was funny
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 1, 2011 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
Underdog + others who may be in SB during xmas break
12/23 at Santa Barbara High will be an EPIC whiffleball game! all invited!
Thanks, I saw your FB thinggy! I would like to go but may not be in SB til the next day :(
But if I get in earlier I will let you know!! (If you change the day let me know)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Lynch may be kind of a turd
but man is he fun to watch play football
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer
was first broadcast Dec 6th, 1964. That was a Sunday, and it was broadcast at 5:30.
So I guess the Holiday specials have always started this early. Can’t believe they’d broadcast it during dinner though : )
Let's see what's on TV!
“Put it on ABC! No, NBC! No, CBS!”
“There’s nothing on. Let’s go play outside”
"you go ahead"
“i’m gonna read this book.”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 1, 2011 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
flipbooks
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 1, 2011 8:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
: )
Rudolph was on NBC, as part of the General Electric Fantasy Hour. So I guess corporate sponsorships have ben around for a while too!
guess he was pretty close
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 1, 2011 8:05 PM PST up reply actions
plus a vesting option for a 4th year.
He’ll be great I bet. For 1 or 2 of those years. If closer history is any indication.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Would've been a good comp for Broxton
had he not gone through the troubles he did the past 1+ year(s). What did he end up signing for in KC?
and
that makes another one
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 1, 2011 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
so alternative
they’ll play the opposite of alternative!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 1, 2011 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
and fuck ruiz
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
On HIMYM.. late to the discussion but
It used to be one of the few shows me and E could agree on watching, now were back to nothing but Mad Men (March cannot come soon enough). By the way, I will be doing episode recaps on picktainment.com, my dear friend Phil’s website, so if yall are Mad Maniacs like I am, check out my recaps. I’ll prob be annoying and post them here or on twitter anyways.
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
HIMYM.. got off track
used to be a great show but now epically sucks, aside from NPH. And Ive been very disappointed by the last few “The New Girls”. Ready to quit that show too.
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
Suburgatory which I also had high hopes for, also sucks
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
Who’s gonna get DFA’d first
Kennedy
or the Catcher guy?
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 1, 2011 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
Completely disagree on New Girls
I feel like its been getting stronger.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I remember when I wanted KK to be the manager after Grady was fired
was anyone else on that bandwagon?
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
no, but i think i remember him being anti- pierre, right?
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
Juan was the ultimate as a late inning pinch runner in his time with the Dodgers.
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 1, 2011 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
All I remember of KK was how he always said, “When I was manager,” when he spoke. We got it the first time.
or what Eric said
Kennedy is known for bringing up his managing past during his broadcasting stints, seemingly as often as Rick Monday doesn’t give the score of the game.
Reading is FUNdamental.
Apparently
ABC is honest to goodness going to have a show premiere in January called Work It, about two Drag Queens
I shit you not
it’s a sitcom about two guys who can’t get work, so they Tootsie it up, except these are like linebacker sized guys who look terrible and the whole thing is so insulting it makes me want to hurl cars
by Josie Becker on Dec 1, 2011 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Tom
Hanks was not an attractive woman.
by bhsportsguy on Dec 1, 2011 10:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I Have Seen The Trailer For Work It On YouTube
It looks unfunny to the nth degree, but why is it “offensive” (unless bad comedy is inherently offensive)?
by CanuckDodger on Dec 1, 2011 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
It would be easier to list the groups it isn’t offensive to.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 1, 2011 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
Now It's "Groups" It's Offensive To?
I presumed Josie was thinking it was offensive to women, and I wanted to know why, on what grounds. Perhaps you would like to take a shot at explaining why it is offensive to various groups.
by CanuckDodger on Dec 2, 2011 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
One Group
Like I said, I inferred that Josie thinks the show is offensive to women. Regfairfield said “groups” — two or more. So my question was (is), what other group or groups besides women is Work It supposed to be offensive to (other than “people who like good comedy,” which I don’t consider a group)? And I might as well reiterate here that I am not defending Work It. It looks bad. I just don’t believe “bad” equates to “offensive” and think the distinction is one worth observing.
I imagine transgendered folk wouldn’t be down with it.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Dec 2, 2011 7:34 AM PST up reply actions
Since There Don't Seem To Be Any Transgendered People In The Show...
I am not sure they could be offended by a bad portrayal of a transgendered person. Otherwise it is just the idea of men who are not transgendered wearing women’s clothing that would be offensive — and again, that brings us to the classics of drag comedy like Tootsie or Some Like It Hot. Are those offensive to?
Couldn’t say, I’m not a member of that group. Personally, I’ve never understood why men dressing up as women is supposed to be funny.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Dec 2, 2011 7:48 AM PST up reply actions
Uncle Milty frowns
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 2, 2011 7:51 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I frowned at Uncle Milty when he decided to do a Very Special Episode opposite Steve Sanders.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Dec 2, 2011 7:53 AM PST up reply actions
And by the ‘joke’ being dudes dressed up like women, it could be seen as insenstive to people struggling with real gender issues and trying to live outwardly as they feel inwardly.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Dec 2, 2011 7:52 AM PST up reply actions
Then Like I Said...
It Is not just Work It that is to be deplored. Tootsie, Some Like It Hot, Bosom Buddies, Priscilla, Queen Of The Desert — all have to be considered offensive.
Disagree. It’s possible to do drag without the drag being the only thing that’s supposed to make it funny.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Dec 2, 2011 7:59 AM PST up reply actions
But Work It's Trailer...
makes it look like they are going for other laughs than just “Man in Drag” laughs — for instance, the one guy is trying to keep his wife/girlfriend in the dark about what he is doing.
It's offensive
because it belittles the struggles that transgender people have to deal with simply by being them. Have you seen “Paris is Burning”?
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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of course it does call into question other movies that have employed
the same or a similar storyline. Mrs. Doubtfire, which you did not include, is probably the closest to the storyline of “Work It” – crossdressing to achieve a goal you could otherwise not achieve – but while it is a “comedy” on the face of it, it’s also heartbreaking. Now, I don’t personally find Mrs. Doubtfire offensive but I haven’t seen the movie for a long time.
And what I can remember about Priscilla, Queen of the Desert is it’s actually about members of the LGBTQ community. And has a bitchin’ soundtrack.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness
I Haven't Seen That Movie But Have Heard Of It
…and I have seen transsexuals on different programs talking about their lives. I also saw Vanessa Redgrave play the transsexual tennis player Renee Richards in a great, and very moving, TV movie called Second Serve, many years ago. I just strongly disagree that “Man In Drag” comedy belittles transsexuals.
Man in Drag, on the face of it, doesn’t belittle transgendered individuals. But the way that this comedy going about it IS offensive. The people who choose to cross dress or to get gender reassignment aren’t doing it on a whim and aren’t doing it because it’s all rainbows and roses. It’s fucking hard. Something like “Work It” appears (I say this because we just have the trailer to go off) to reduce this emotional and psychological complexity to something simple and easy.
You should watch Paris is Burning. It’s very good.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness
But the Emotional and Psychological Issues That Come Into Play For the Transsexual Or Cross Dresser
…do not come into play at all in “Man In Drag” comedies where the clothing is just being worn for a practical purpose (to get a job, hide from the mob, live in a women-only apartment building for cheap rent) that has nothing to do with psychology. Is it wrong to suggest that a man could wear women’s clothing for reasons other than psychological ones?
Man in Drag comedies don’t necessarily deal with the psychological effects because they’re supposed to be comedies, right? Of course they’re going to focus on other needs – economical, personal safety, what have you.
But let’s take a closer look at THIS comedy in question. The title of the show is “Work It”. Ok, it has to do with the premise of the show — the guys need jobs. But the phrase “Work It” also carries with it a different connotation, as a phrase commonly attributed to gay men and/or drag queens. The guys are incredibly masculine — seen at a bar, wearing trucker hats — which makes the “switch”, I suppose, more extreme, heightening the “comedy”. For me, and obviously not for you, it’s too close to “haha, look at these All-American guys acting like drag queens.” Gender is performative, but that doesn’t mean I, and others, can’t take issue with the way in which it is performed.
Also, as a woman, I’m not pleased with the way that women were portrayed interacting with the main characters on the show.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
@maddzgoesrawr @arenafitness
Like I said, I inferred that Josie thinks the show is offensive to women. Regfairfield said "groups" — two or more.
I just want to know if you realize how petty this sounds.
I don’t know what the beef is between you and Reg, but since you’re both well-respected here, it’d be great if you could squash it.
I'm Flabbergasted By That Comment
I have nothing against Reg. We sometimes disagree, but I consider him one of the most interesting commenters on this forum. And above I wasn’t taking any kind of shot at him or trying to be snarky. I was legitimately asking for him to clarify his meaning.
I don't think that had anything to do with this situation at all whatsoever
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Yeah, if you’re having trouble finding work, you should definitely try dressing up as a woman. It’s really hard out there for guys in the workplace.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Dec 2, 2011 7:27 AM PST up reply actions
Two Things To Say About That
Your first sentence was the rationale behind the actions of the protagonist in Tootsie, which is routinely mentioned as one of the all-time great American comedy films. And second, the premise of a comedy can be wrong-headed or even dumb but the comedy still manages to be funny. Work It looks like a huge misfire for reasons other than its premise, broadly speaking.
I don’t disagree with any of that. Bad premise + bad comedy = bad
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Dec 2, 2011 7:39 AM PST up reply actions
girl......................................
you better WORK.
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The full ballot, with players in their first year of eligibility in bold:
Jeff Bagwell, Jeromy Burnitz, Vinny Castilla, Juan Gonzalez, Brian Jordan, Barry Larkin, Javy Lopez, Edgar Martinez, Don Mattingly, Fred McGriff, Mark McGwire, Jack Morris, Bill Mueller, Terry Mulholland, Dale Murphy, Phil Nevin, Rafael Palmeiro, Brad Radke, Tim Raines, Tim Salmon, Ruben Sierra, Lee Smith, Alan Trammell, Larry Walker, Bernie Williams, Tony Womack, Eric Young.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 2, 2011 7:40 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
He’ll get voted in as a manager after he gets his 2000th win and 4th WS ring as a Dodger.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Dec 2, 2011 7:40 AM PST up reply actions
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