Dodgers 2012 Minor League Countdown: 180 - 171
by Brandon Lennox on Dec 21, 2011 8:00 AM PST
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PrintHere is the next part of my Dodger prospect countdown. For my original post of this series, which contains who is eligible for the list, click here. This current group doesn't really feature anyone too exciting, although there are a few wildcards from the DSL who could turn into something down the road.
180. Samuel Taveras, RHP (49 IP in DSL in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 2/17/11
6’5", 175 lbs, 22.5 years old
5-1, 2.02 ERA, 0.88 WHIP, 3.51 FIP, 5.33 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Samuel Taveras is another Dominican player to sign later in life, and he made his professional debut with the Dominican Dodgers in 2011. While he had unbelievable stats in 2011 and has a great pitching frame at 6'5", he was mostly ignored because of his age. His 2.02 ERA and 0.88 WHIP were great, as was his .175 batting average against, but his K rate was surprisingly low (5.33 K/9) which makes he think he’d get exposed if he played against more advanced competition. The Dodgers have a decision to make on Taveras heading into 2012 as he is too old for another season in the DSL, so they have to determine if he is worth sending to the Arizona Rookie League.
179. Brant Stickel, LHP (6.2 IP in LoA, 5.1 IP in Pioneer Rookie Lg, 17.1 IP in Arz Rookie Lg in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 10/6/10
6’4", 210 lbs, 25 years old
0-4, 5.22 ERA, 1.50 WHIP, 4.39 FIP, 7.36 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Brant Stickel is a Canada native who played his college ball at the University of Calgary. After college, the lefty was signed by the Calgary Vipers of the Golden Baseball League where he finished the 2010 season. His contract was then sold to the Dodgers in October of 2010 after he hit 92 mph during a tryout in Arizona. In 2011, Brant had a unique season in that he started off the year in Great Lakes, then was demoted twice and finished out the year in the Arizona Rookie League. Stickel was terrible in the short time he played with the Loons and the Raptors, but was dominate with the Arizona Dodgers as he allowed just 7 hits in 17.1 innings against the younger competition. Overall, Stickel has good size and the fastball to succeed, but given his age he is going to have to make a great impression this spring and then perform well in a full season league to have any kind of a future with the organization.
Follow the jump for #'s 178 - 171
178. Gianison Rosa, C/OF (31 games in Arz Rookie Lg in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers in March 2011 as a minor league free agent
6’0", 205 lbs, 22.25 years old, bats left handed
.221 average, .771 OPS, 1 HR, 11 RBI’s, 1 SB
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Gianison Rosa was originally drafted by the Washington Nationals in the 26th round of the 2009 draft, but he only played two games for the organization before getting released. From there he went on to play some independent ball, and then was signed by the Dodgers as a minor league free agent in March of 2011. Rosa spent the 2011 season in the Arizona Rookie League, and even though he is listed as a catcher he spent all his time as an outfielder with the Dodgers. From an offensive standpoint he had a disappointing year for a 21 year old, hitting just .221 while getting limited playing time. The only positive thing about his season was the he walked in an incredible 21.2% of his plate appearances, although that was tarnished by the fact that he also struck out in 29.3% of the time. Overall I think Rosa may stick around for another year, but he’ll probably just play with the Raptors as a bench player and provide some organizational depth.
177. Melvin Santana, SS/2B (56 games in DSL in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 5/7/10
5’10", 160 lbs, 20.5 years old, bats right handed
.245 average, .688 OPS, 0 HR’s, 17 RBI’s, 10 SB’s
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Santana signed out of the Dominican in 2010, but didn’t make his professional debut until 2011 in the DSL. Listed as a shortstop, Melvin played the majority of the season at 2nd base and also frequented the DH position in the lineup. His defense wasn’t very good, as he posted a .910 fielding %, but he seems to have good speed (successful in 10 of 13 SB attempts) so I’m guessing his range is pretty good. At the plate, Santana didn’t homer all year, but he showed gap power by leading the club with 17 doubles and posting a respectable OB% of .344. He also demonstrated a good eye by walking almost as much as he struck out. I do expect Santana to play another year in the DSL, and if he shows continued growth I could see him making his US debut in 2013.
176. Kevin Thompson, 2B/SS (4 games in HiA, 11 games in Pioneer Rk Lg, 6 games in Arz RkLg in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2011, 48th round
6’3", 185 lbs, 23.5 years old, bats right handed
.263 average, .598 OPS, 0 HR’s, 7 RBI’s, 2 SB’s
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Thompson is originally from La Canada, but he played his college ball in New Mexico and was mediocre at best. With the Eastern New Mexico Greyhounds, Thompson had 2 career homers, 4 career SB's, and a career batting fielding percentage of just .901. The good news is that he had a college career batting average above .300, and can play all over the infield. After signing with the Dodgers Thompson was initially dispatched to the Arizona Rookie League, but ended up playing at 3 levels in 2011. Given his age and versatility, Kevin should be a good organizational player but I don’t think he’ll ever be more than that.
175. Ronny Lugo, RF (26 games in Arz Rookie Lg in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 1/30/09
6’2", 170 lbs, 22 years old, bats right handed
.230 average, .586 OPS, 0 HR’s, 11 RBI’s, 6 SB’s
Pre 2011 Rank: 190, Pre 2010 Rank: 157; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Ronny Lugo was signed out of Venezuela prior to the 2009 season, and hit a combined .240 over two seasons in the DSL. In last year’s rankings, I predicted that his baseball career was probably done, but instead the Dodgers decided to bring Lugo to the US as he spent 2011 with the Arizona Dodgers. The move was extremely surprising, and Ronny did nothing to justify the promotion as he hit just .230 with the Dodgers and posted a dismal .586 OPS. Even still the Dodgers stuck with him as their starting right fielder for the majority of the season, and I’ll bet that he returns to the Arizona Rookie League again in 2012.
174. Adam Dedeaux, LHP (15.1 IP AAA, 12 IP in Pioneer Rookie Lg, 0.1 IP in Arz Rookie Lg in 2011)
Signed 7/1/10 as Non Drafted Free Agent
6’0", 200 lbs, 25.75 years old
0-0, 11.06 ERA, 2.49 WHIP, 8.22 FIP, 6.18 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: 177, Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
The Dodgers signed Adam Dedeaux as a non drafted free agent out of the University of Southern California. Given that Dedeaux was used sparingly at USC and had a college career ERA above 6, it is possible that Dodgers signed Adam as a favor to his grandfather. You see, Dedeaux's grandfather and long-time USC baseball coach Rod Dedeaux was great friends with Tommy Lasorda before Rod passed away in 2006, so you can see the connection. Whether or not he was signed as a favor doesn’t change the fact that Adam was quite old to be starting his professional career. After throwing 10.2 innings in the Arizona Rookie League in his 2010 professional debut, Dedeaux played an interesting role for the Dodgers in 2011. After a stint in extended spring training, Adam made the biggest jump possible by starting his 2011 season all the way up in AAA. As you may have guessed, Dedeaux got crushed during his time with the Isotopes, then performed even worse when he was sent back down to the Pioneer League later in the season. I’m not sure if the Dodgers will keep him around in 2012, but if they do he’ll probably just continue to be the organization’s sacrificial lamb when a team needs a spot starter.
173. Jose Agusto Diaz, RHP (27 IP in DSL in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 2/8/11
5’11", 185 lbs, 21 years old
2-0, 0.67 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, 3.05 FIP, 7.67 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Jose Agusto Diaz quietly had a very good professional debut in 2011, allowing just 2 earned runs in 27 DSL innings which resulted in a microscopic ERA. He served as the team’s part time closer, saving 2 games and finishing 8 more. He’s not a big guy and his strikeout numbers weren’t very impressive, but anytime a player has an ERA under 1 then he’s doing something right. Since Diaz will be 21 years old when the 2012 season starts, the Dodgers may want to challenge him with a promotion to a US based rookie league even though he has just 27 professional innings under his belt. Then again, he could just as easily spend another year in the DSL.
172. Victor Araujo, RHP (60 IP DSL in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 11/26/09
5’11", 171 lbs, 22.25 years old
3-4, 1.80 ERA, 0.93 WHIP, 2.87 FIP, 9.15 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: 188, Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
Victor Araujo signed later than most Dominican players, inking his deal with the Dodgers just after his 20th birthday, and then only pitched 14 innings in relief during his 2010 professional debut. In 2011 the Dodgers transitioned Araujo to the rotation, and he responded with an outstanding season in the DSL. He posted a 1.80 ERA, ranked among the top 10 in the league with a 0.93 WHIP, led the Dominican Dodgers with a 2.87 FIP, and was one of the few players on the roster to strike out more than a batter per inning (9.15 K/9). He also won a Dodgers Pride Award in the month of August. Even still, questions remain about Victor as his size are less than ideal for a pitcher, and he was one of the players in the DSL last season. The Dodgers must move him to the Arizona Rookie League in 2012 if they want him to have a chance at having an impact with the organization.
171. Luis Silverio, LHP (23 IP in DSL in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 6/9/10
6’3", 190 lbs, 20.75 years old
1-2, 7.04 ERA, 2.30 WHIP, 4.68 FIP, 9.39 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A
The left handed Silverio made his professional debut in 2011, and although his stats were less than impressive I think he could have a future as a Dodger prospect. Silverio struck out more than a batter per inning, and while his ERA was 7.04 he had a much more respectable FIP of 4.68. In addition, Silverio has a solid 6’3" frame and only allowed just 1 home run all year. The Dodgers will definitely leave Silverio in the DSL for another season, but a strong sophomore year could lead to a promotion to the Arizona Rookie League in 2013.
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Sean Marshall is awesome and anyone who calls him a nobody don’t know shit.
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We got any Melvin’s out here before I make fun of the name?
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Andy LaRoche, Cleveland Indian.
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Ah, right, minor league deal, didn't see that. Invite to spring training.
He could always be a back up 1B!
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Utility man!
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
If the Indians sign Manny to DH/farewell tour, Andy can remind him, “You know, you were traded for me.”
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
And then Rickey Henderson can chime in with “I used to play with a guy who wore a helmet in the field…”
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
That story probably falls under Stephen’s Corollary to Humma’s Second Law, but goddam, I love that story.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
So the area around 200 is sometimes the Favor Zone, eh?
Jarrin, Dedeaux, etc
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Brandon – anyone ever started out 150 or above and become a top 20 prospect?
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None have made it up to my top 20
Probably the closest I could find was Luis Vasquez, who I had #174 in 2010, then moved him up to #47 last year. But after a terrible season in 2011 he’ll be much lower on my list this year.
One guy who could surprise is Delvis Morales, who I had ranked #175, 196, and 176 over the past few years, but then got promoted to the Arizona Rookie League in 2011 and then was mentioned as just missing Baseball America’s top 20 list for the league. He also drew some comparisons to Dee Gordon. He won’t be in my top 20 this year, but will be much lower than I’ve had him in the past
by Brandon Lennox on Dec 21, 2011 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
So Frank McCourt might not be the saddest owner in the league.
For 20 million dollars you can own a “no say in anything” share of the Mets. What does your 20 million get you?
A luxury box
Access to Mr. Met
A parking spot
A business card that says “owner”
Some kind of owners fantasy camp thing
A trip with the team (Mets choose the trip (they will choose when they go play the Yankees)
A weekend stay at Spring Training
An offseason luncheon with Mets to be determined later
And discounts on merchandise.
“Yeah I own the Mets, says right hear on my card. Want a hat? I get them at 25% off”
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That is stupid and embarrassing.
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 21, 2011 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
access to Mr. Met? I’ve always wanted to ask him if all his balls are that big
by Josie Becker on Dec 21, 2011 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
I know you can hire Mr. Red for like 75 bucks an hour. Only reason I would move to Cincinatti is so that I could send Mr. Red as a birthday present.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
It’s a crying shame we never got Mr. Dodger.
by Josie Becker on Dec 21, 2011 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
We did, aka Mr. Lasorda.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 21, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
he needs to wear a baseball on his head
by Josie Becker on Dec 21, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
I’m fully convinced that someday the Dodgers will have a mascot with a Tommy Lasorda head.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 21, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
hopefully
He won’t be racing anything
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2011 9:36 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
A plate of linguini.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 21, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
Doesn’t Tommy hate mascots? Had a few run ins over the years as a manager
by BoilerAero on Dec 21, 2011 12:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Dominican strategy
I get the sense that the Dodgers scouting strategy in the Dominican Republic is to search for older players no other organization would be interested in, hoping to find a diamond in the very rough.
Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
They should just start cold calling people.
“Hey, are you left handed? Wanna pitch for the Dodgers?”
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
The Dodgers have 4 of the top 20 worst pitching contracts in history
http://highheatstats.blogspot.com/2011/12/worst-pitcher-contracts-in-history.html
1. Jason Schmidt
5. Darren Dreifort
15. Kevin Brown
20. Andy Ashby
Defining worst pitching contract as dollars per inning is dumb, but I am kinda surprised Schmidt beat out Mike Hampton and Denny Neagle by that much.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t miss the point: Schmidt was a terrible, terrible contract.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
It’s more the Kevin Brown thing that gets me.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Any list that lists Kevin Brown as a horrible contract is a bad list.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
True or False: Kevin Brown is the most underrated pitcher of the last 30 years.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe Mike Mussina, but other than that, true.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
One of the 3 most underrated for sure
he was damn good with the Dodgers.
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He was awful the last two years of that contract for the Yankees, and I am assuming those years are included.
Originally researched by Neil Paine and myself in June 2011, here are the worst contracts we found at that time, going by dollar per inning pitched:
It’s a dumb metric.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
It’s a perfectly fair thing to include, but not including the quality of those innings is inherently dumb.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Isn’t this what dollar converted WAR is, essentially? You’re paying pitchers to pitch, so they better pitch a lot and good while doing it.
If only everything could be evaluated in a vacuum, life would be so easy.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
I wouldn’t want everything to exist in a vacuum. Then, whenever I wanted anything, I’d have to open up the vacuum. Whenever I do that dust gets everywhere.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
It doesn’t care about how good those innings are so by this definition John Lackey is a better signing than Kevin Brown.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
And dollar converted WAR is dumb, don’t use it.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
What about StanGoltz? They were both shitty, no matter what the size of the contract.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
schmidt is admittedly horrible but it was short.. that mike hampton contract was for a goddamn decade.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 21, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
But Hampton was able to pitch though most of it. Schmidt was broken from day one and the Dodgers knew about it.
maybe sabes
didnt let ned into all the meetings
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 21, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
maybe ned wasnt invited to those meetings either.
if you were having a meeting, would you invite ned?
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 21, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Ned knew, McCourt knew. Everyone signed off.
IMO that’s the worst deal Ned has ever done.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
Give him time
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
True
But that was “fire on the spot” bad, knowing what they knew.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The trouble is, McCourt already had a reputation for firing people on the spot. When it was revealed that they knew what they knew, McCourt was already trying to establish stability in the organization.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
remember
he said hiring ned was the best decision he ever made.
fuckin jerk.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 21, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
In perspective they had just won a playoff spot after a last place finish in 2005.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
Was that before or after two men were waved around third base to be called out at home on the same play?
Not that I blame Colletti for that, though maybe I should.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think those are comparable. Garland’s MRI showed wear and tear but not an existing injury like Schmidt had at the time of the signing.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
Schmidt's was completely awful, but only 3 years
I would say Zito’s is worse, even though he’s been completely healthy for his.
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Molino, Florida
Stopped for gas yesterday in Don Sutton’s home town. As far as I can tell, Molino boats the gas station, several churches, the Don Sutton Baseball Fields, and pasture. You could get a good chicken biscuit at the gas station. No one had his curls.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 21, 2011 9:37 AM PST reply actions
Can you get gravy on the biscuit?
For some reason I really want a biscuit and gravy this morning.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
You could get a good chicken biscuit at the gas station.
Sometimes the south wins.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
One of my regrets from my last vacation was not buying fried chicken for lunch at the gas station in Louisiana.
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2015 Rays rotation (BA)
No. 1 Starter Matt Moore
No. 2 Starter David Price
No. 3 Starter James Shields
No. 4 Starter Jeremy Hellickson
No. 5 Starter Jeff Niemann
Unbelievably sick.
shouldn't that read...
No. 1 Starter Matt Moore
No. 1 Starter David Price
No. 1 Starter James Shields
No. 1 Starter Jeremy Hellickson
No. 1 Starter Jeff Niemann
Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
Rays are cheatin’. Everybody knows a deck only has four aces.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Jeff Neimann is the rules of draw and stud poker card.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Not that it matters too much since that should be Wade Davis and not Neimann.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
LOL
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2011 10:23 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Depending on the size of the company I suppose, I would imagine there aren’t many things worse from a nightmare to deal with standpoint than someone sending an email to the HR department regarding their paycheck, only:
a) including their pay rate in the email
b) sending the list to EVERYONE in the company instead of just HR
Good times.
One of mu favorite Far Side Cartoons was the one with HR person posting everyone’s salary on their office doors after she did not get a raise.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
Depending on the size of the company I suppose, I would imagine there aren’t many things worse from a nightmare to deal with standpoint than someonesending an email to the HR department regarding their paycheck, only:stopping up all of the toilets in every bathroom across several floors of a building.
FTFY
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
when I worked on the LAX Development project (you’re welcome for all the chaos at Tom Bradley, btw) I was filing some old papers and found the payroll sheet with everyone’s salary. Airport development is a good racket if you can get in it
by Josie Becker on Dec 21, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
My university’s American Association of University Professors chapter helpfully puts everybody’s salary on a university website every year, available to anyone with a university user ID, so my colleagues constantly complain about how much they get compared to people hired after them.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 21, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
They’re probably going to put the name and salary of every state employee on a database sometime in the next few months or years here in New Mexico. From public school teacher all the way up to members of the governor’s cabinet. Actually, they already have a lot of the state employees’ salary info up online.
At a job long ago
There was going to be a round of layoffs and an HR person leaked the list to all the people who were going to be laid off. That made for an interesting day.
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
too bad we have spent so much on old timers
Roy Oswalt is willing to settle for a 1 year deal
by Dodgerblue8188 on Dec 21, 2011 10:13 AM PST reply actions
1. Oswalt is no spring chicken
2. His one-year deal will still be for a few million more than what Colletti wouldn’t or couldn’t spend on Kuroda
3. Colletti was hellbent on adding two major-league starters
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Reggie Evans signs with Clippers, funny because he was infamous for doing the Kaman Ball Check during the playoffs. For those of you who don’t know Clipper trivia, Evans was guarding Kaman, reached between his legs and grabbed his real balls. Kaman didn’t know if he should punch him or hug him.
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haha, that caused quite the stir up over at clipsnation, solid player though for what the clips need
Exactly what that team needs. They don’t need any offense from the backup center/power forward, they could use an enforcer.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
I remember him
Skinny-ass dude…what was he, 7’3"? Terrible acne and horrible cornrows…he sent some shots back, though.
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Bo Outlaw had the name
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
i want to know what your work does for holiday parties to see if you are as cheap as my company.
GO…..
We are having pizza in the conference room at lunchtime today.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
Of course, there was a huge company wide party on a soundstage earlier this month. But my first response is funnier (and true).
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Your response is making me want to forego the free pizza and hit up Dairy Queen.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
There was one in Hesperia, but it closed down recently.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Google Maps tells me there’s one in the Fox Hills mall. Is that inaccurate?
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
it’s by the second level entrance to the Target, before you get to the upscale but still fast food food court.
If you’ve ever seen the Westfield mall in San Francisco, you can see what an upscale but fast casual food court looks like : )
by Josie Becker on Dec 21, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
The only mall i ever go to there is the one at the San Bruno bart station because i like to eat BJ’s while killing time between raider game and my 730 flight home from SFO
can’t say I ever got off BART at San Bruno
by Josie Becker on Dec 21, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
That’s a funny typo for “get”.
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by David Young on Dec 21, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
took me a second read, but it was worth it
by Josie Becker on Dec 21, 2011 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
The Fox Hills mall is nice
I went to the foodcourt over there for lunch a bunch of times when I was training in Culver City for TWC. Sbarro is awesome.
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I like Sbarro, but I encountered perhaps my worst case of food poisoning from there.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
is it your favorite New York pizza place?
by Josie Becker on Dec 21, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
The one time I was in New York I didn’t get a chance to get any pizza.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
As far as NY style pizza out in the LA area, I’d have to say the best pizza I had was Abbott pizza in the Abbott Kinney area of Venice.
This was a decade ago. Now my family just makes their own with fresh ingredients and it is the bomb.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 21, 2011 12:28 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Burbank used to have one.
True story, when we were house hunting 19 years ago, there was a Dairy Queen within walking distance of the house we decided to buy. I kid you not, the idea of walking to Dairy Queen was part of the lets buy this house discussion. On our first night, we walked to the Dairy Queen and enjoyed it as we expected to.
One week later they tore it down.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
My boss invited people to his house two weekends ago but I couldn’t make it.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Nothing. Just answering your question.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Fairly normal house. The 2010 party, also at his house, was catered by Olive Garden.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
In the loosest sense of the word. You can buy large trays of food from them, but you have to pick it up yourself.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
My g/f did that for my birthday a few years ago
Got two big platters of five-cheese ziti and lasagna with salad, minestrone and a ton of breadsticks…I didn’t ask her how much it cost, but I’m sure it wasn’t cheap.
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Does he drive an Acura?
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
We had a lunch that we had to pay 38 dollars for. And we had to bring a gift.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Yes. Plus that’s 38 bucks at a decent restaurant without booze or anything.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Launch assurance. Basically write software that monitors rocket launches.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Yep.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
We work with them.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks!
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
I was thinking “that sounds like our party”. I also work in rocket industry but our party was $15 and we had to fit it in to lunch hour and do all the clean up and set up on our own time.
by BoilerAero on Dec 21, 2011 8:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
And when we last had a holiday lunch, we had it was only partially hosted, so we did have to pay like $10 (not $38). I think Emily Post / Miss Manners would be horrified – if the company wants to host a party, make it fit the budget and pay for the whole damn thing. Of course, it appears they have taken my advice by simply not having one.
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we had a party at the w in santa monica
we rich.
I didnt go.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 21, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
we also laid some people off and forced others to move to west virginia so we could get their salaries and benefits off the books to make them look better to potential lateral partners. #coldblooded
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 21, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
did you/do you work for o’melveny and meyers? do i remember that correctly?
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
yes
but dont tell anyone
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 21, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
I still remember the link you posted to the Enron fashion story. That was funny stuff.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
god that was a horrible experience
but kind of fun like how joining a cult is fun.. then again I have alot of money in my savings account because of it..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 21, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Two jobs ago, our holiday parties were classic, and fun. Rented out a ballroom at a resort in San Diego (from Rancho Valencia to Torrey Pines). Full bar all night for everyone at the company including spouse/significant other, and the tab for those were usually $15-20k.
A couple of times I got my boss to pay for a night for me to stay at one of the casitas at the resort.
At I think my second holiday party at that company, I drank way too much and serenaded my date to “I’ll Make Love to You” by Boyz II Men on the dance floor as it played. Strangely enough, we never hit it off as a couple.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Classic
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
A couple of times I got my boss to pay for a night for me to stay at one of the casitas at the resort.
I don’t even want to know what you did for the boss in return.
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Don’t you want to share the rest of that story???
by KellyStephen on Dec 21, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
Let’s get back to this one.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Dec 22, 2011 7:59 AM PST up reply actions
grab an empty room in the building
then have a potluck and white elephant. Its fun, but I guess qualifies as cheap
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we are a small company though
about 30 people on site who actually participated
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StoneFire Grill catered inside the building. Raffle of three scooters, and about 8 – 10 Costco Gift Packages
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Woodlake Elementary had a Dinner at BJ’s. They had to pay $25 each,did not include drinks.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
We had a party
at the Montage Hotel in Beverly Hills. tons ofood and hosted bar.
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I hope someone made a video that blended the highlights smoothly from one to the other….
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My last job we’d hold a small party every year at our office. We’d deep fry a few turkeys, smoke some brisket, one guy always brought a venison and beef green chili that was probably the best chili I’ve ever had. Other people would bring a bunch of other stuff to eat (potluck style). My work would pay for all the food except for stuff like the venison or elk meat as a couple of the guys who worked there would go out hunting and get that meat.
It wasn’t anything special or anything but the food was great and we always had a real good time. I guess that’s all that really matters.
i am afraid that everyone but me has a dirty kitchen and I will get sick. When you work around people 8-10 hours a day and see their habits you can only imagine it is worse at their home.
Before I go out to eat somewhere I have to basically turn my brain off and not think about things like that or I’d never be able to eat anything I didn’t make myself.
Don’t stop there. How do you know where your food comes from? Don’t trust anything you didn’t raise and slaughter yourself with a weapon you made yourself!
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
+100001
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
for the entire month of December when i used to work at target
during college, the HR ladies would requisition bread from the sales floor, both white and wheat (target brand [market pantry]) along with peanut butter and jelly (name brand) and put it in the break room, we never ran out and I always appreciated it, saved me lots of money and resulted in fewer 89 cent burritos from Taco Bell having to enter my body.
Eric
what is the SBNationLA party going to be like?
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a skype chat with me passed out on the floor, next to a bottle of rubbing alcohol
by Josie Becker on Dec 21, 2011 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
At medical offices
it’s not unusual for a pharmaceutical sales rep to host the holiday party for the medical office. I’ve attended these. Always seemed a little strange. (Admittedly, the offices “hosts” handed out cash bonuses to the staff separately.)
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Why does John Elway advertise his Manhattan Beach Toyota dealership as John Elway’s Manhattan Beach Toyota? Is there anybody in LA who is like, oh, John Elway owns this dealership, I think I’ll buy my car there? I would assume that most people in LA are like, Fuck that guy, I’m going to Torrance.
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I hate John Elway more than anybody on earth and i bought my current tacoma there. I wanted a specific package option, they had it, and I have to say they have the best customer service and service department I have ever experienced. Also, fuck Torrance.
always wondered
Who was at the top of your hate list.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2011 10:54 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
What about the guy who shot your Tacoma?
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Well, maybe dead.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
I’d rather buy from Ken Caminiti Acura.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Carlos Ruiz Chevrolet
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by Pure Azure on Dec 21, 2011 1:12 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Ned Colletti’s Very Pre-Owned Vehicles.
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Valencia Mercedes-Benz
- part owner, Kevin Malone
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No money down on a two year lease.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Dec 22, 2011 8:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Bill Buckner owned a dealership here in the small town I live in now. Apparently not enough people went there because of his name seeing as it closed down a couple years ago. He did get a lot of local support when it was open for some reason though.
There should be a giant
Paul-Bunyan like Bill Buckner where you can drive your new car out through his legs
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I hope #180 doesn't make it
otherwise Bob Timmermann and I will be constantly asking ourselves, “wait, is it Taveras or Tavares?”
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As well as
these guys, I imagine.
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From Rangers PR guy
Clayton Kershaw and Frank Howard to be honored at Rangers Dr Pepper Award Show on January 12 at Arlington Convention Center
3 for 3 if you ask me; 2 for 3 to Tommy Blackjack.
You wish you were partly metal, and partly real
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2011 11:41 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
ChargersPRguy: The ’12 Pro Bowl squads will be announced Tues, Dec 27, at 4pm PT on @NFLNetwork.
Whatever happened to just sending out a press release and putting it in the paper. Tired of wasting an hour of my life as former football and baseball players read lists.
Take me away…awhoawhoawhoawhoa..
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by Pure Azure on Dec 21, 2011 1:19 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Sounds like Marge Simpson
looking across the street at a parade and saying that sounds fun, I can’t wait to read about it in tomorrow’s paper.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 21, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
It’s painfully obvious I’m a Lisa Simpson, and everyone knows Lisa will eventually turn into Marge
by Josie Becker on Dec 21, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
“Marge: Oh, look! There’s the store where I buy my yarn! …but you don’t want to buy your buttons there.”
“Homer: [to Bart] Phew. Well, I dodged a bullet.”
“Marge: Now, there’s the place you want to buy your buttons. And that’s where the bookmobile lady used to live!”
“Looks like something exciting’s happening. Well, we’ll have to read about it in tomorrow’s paper.”
by Josie Becker on Dec 21, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
"These pencil holders are too flashy.
You should get one of these Puplii ones."
“No mom, everybody hates the Puplii kids, even I do; I just hate them so much!”
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I have a friend
who always points out things like that. That’s my dentist! That’s my podiatrist!
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Anybody know if a torn lunotriquetral ligament is anything to worry about
mcten Dave McMenamin
Kobe Bryant has a torn lunotriquetral ligament in his R wrist, the Lakers announced. He will not play tonight vs. Clippers & is day-to-day
A Laker team w/o Kobe and Bynum would be a little scary, probably not what ABC wants to open the year with
It’s one of the ligaments of wrist. Uncommon to rupture. Would affect the articulation. Not sure how would affect him.
I would hate to see an un articulate Kobe, that is when of his strong suits.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
I’m kind of ready to start a rebuild with the Lakers anyway. I want a young, exciting team. The triangle bored me to tears, good thing we were winning with it.
/whinylakerfan
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by Pure Azure on Dec 21, 2011 1:32 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
For Josie
Everything you ever wanted to know and more about the condition of Chris Paul’s Knee
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Is Paul’s knee injury similar to Brandon Roy’s? Yes and no. Brandon Roy’s knees have been operated on six times, the first time in high school and all four of his menisci have been completely removed. Paul is missing one meniscus in his right knee.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 21, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
I knew he had knee issues, and knee issues have killed great careers
by Josie Becker on Dec 21, 2011 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, just thought it was interesting that when he was a Laker for a brief moment it was the greatest thing since sliced bread, then when he became a Clipper all I heard was knee horror stories.
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the local media is a petty bunch. On the 6pm KABC News last night, the sports anchor introduced the Ohio St. sanction story saying “Incase you needed more evidence that the NCAA just wanted to stick it to USC…”
by Josie Becker on Dec 21, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
No posts in over 20 minutes
What am I supposed to do at work, WORK?!?
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busy playing iootp on my iphone
this game is awesome if youre a gm nerd type and have time to burn.. rosters are accurate enough for a game like this.. I just signed kemp as an fa and fleeced ned for kershaw (im playing as seattle because I like a challenge).
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 21, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
I've been trying to find (at a relaxed pace of course) a game where you can be a GM
Off to the Itunes store!
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you can do in game strategy as well but I dont do it because I dont have enough time
its kind of a fickle beast tho.. sometimes I have no idea whats going on or why certain guy’s performance goes into the toilet.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 21, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Seems pretty accurate.
Though for whatever reason in my version John Raynor has become a stud outfielder for the Dodgers.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
the aforementioned kershaw trade was not good
he went from 4stars to 2 in about 2 months. sporting a 4.4 era. my king felix has 4.5 stars and a 5.2 era. =\
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 21, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
i keep trying old seasons
63 i had great pitching, but willie davis would not hit, and tommy davis went down for 5 months to injury! i was fucked
Don't know if you can get it in the itunes store
and i know it’s not available for phones or tablets, but I recommend Baseball Mogul. I’ve never played iootp but from all reviews I’ve heard BM is way better. The only problem with it is that it’s TOO addictive. I get into it hardcore for maybe a week at a time about 2-3 times a year and have to force myself to uninstall it because it wastes too much of my time.
I’ve thought about asking around here and trying to get a TBLA league started. I’ve never actually played in an online league though, so I have no idea what you need to do to set it up.
Oh i've done it
There’s a few different ways, but i guess a standard one you would:
Get however many managers you want, each person picks a team. You can get a create a forum type deal so you can have a page for each team, a page for trading blocks, free agents, trade offers, etc… Once everyone is ready you can start the season (everyone makes sure their lineups are set and all) and the commish sims either a week or however long, 2 weeks might work well. You could do that every day or every couple of days or a few days.
One league i did you could write reports about your team to get points to raise a players attributes a few points, things like that, but it complicates things.
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cool.
if others are interested, i would commish that.
I like OOTP since it’s the only one of these types of games where the other GMs aren’t complete dumb butts who basically add up the WARs to evaluate trades.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
$100M to burn
assuming all four are free agents as of today. Which one do you pick. (Kershaw, Felix Hernandez, Strasburgh, Darvish).
The clarification in the comments there are important. You will pay them $100M for the next four years. Without that clarification, I was going to say Kershaw because you already know he’s good and because of service time that $100M will cover more years than it would for King Felix.
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Knowing that it would be the same contract status
Would it still be Kershaw then?
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Yes. The only debate for me is the order of the middle two, with Darvish last.
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Would you rather pay Kershaw 100 million over the next 5 years or Matt Moore for 50 million over 6?
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by Pure Azure on Dec 21, 2011 2:25 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Apples, oranges
Kershaw’s next five years are three arb-eligible and two potential FA.
Moore’s next six are three completely club-dictated (much closer to the min than anything else), three arb-eligible. If you could have paid $3M total for the first three years (generous), you are essentially committing $47M for those last three years. Was he going to make 12/15/20 in arb?
Kershaw might make 8/12/20/22/25 (87 total) over the next five.
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The $100 million thing is confusing. It should just say, “Which pitcher do you think will perform the best over the next four years?”
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think so
The “If they are free agents” part wipes out any team control beyond the 4 years 100 million contract.
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No part of “who will be better over the next four years” care about what happens after that.
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I’m not thinking about the MLB free agent process. They are both free agents, disregard service time.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 21, 2011 2:58 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Hard to do this
But Matt Moore is so kick ass I might take him, just because it leaves more room for signing another big hitter or something. But Kershaw will be the better one over that time (the entire time, imo).
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I don’t think you take service time into consideration. Just which one for four years at $100M all else being the same.
because one of the player projection systems (Oliver) has Darvish being as good as Kershaw and better than Verlander.
I hope
“Oliver” is pronounced like this person said it:
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Long before Green Acres
for some reason, Eva Gabor once graced the cover of Life Magazine.
(You can click the pic to enlarge in a new tab/window)
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Shouldn’t this be an indictment on using a small sample size of players to compute an MLE rather than an endorsement of Darvish?
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
Have to imagine anything that’s based on pure math is. There’s not too many Japanese starters that converted to the bigs and a decent percentage of them actually got better in America.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
That is what I thought I said.
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Kershaw
Felix
Strasberg
Darvish
I have more faith in Felix’s arm not exploding that Strasberg’s.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Why is Darvish on this list?
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Because it is about to cost Texas around $100M to have him for four or five years, it looks like. I guess.
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How is that relevant? Not like any of the other three are going to cost 100 Million over the next four years.
If Xeifrank wants to know who we think will be the best pitcher over the next four years, I’d expect to be able to pick someone who has actually pitched in the major leagues.
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Xeifrank’s link is to a TangoTiger poll which is sort of joint with an identical JoePos poll. Your guess is as good as mine what their ultimate angle is.
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Oliver projection system gave Darvish a better projection than some of those players on that list. Tango is doing an experiment to find out where the vast majority of fans think Darvish fits in in terms of talent with some of the top MLB pitchers. This was the first step. Tango will continue doing this until Darvish matches up better with a group of four. It is interesting…
Kershaw
Felix
Straw
Yu
When spending 100 million good idea to spend it on a sure thing
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Yu would be more of a sure thing than Strasburg though. But I might buy that same lottery ticket.
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Given the history of Japanese stud pitchers pitching prospects in MLB I dont think Id call any of them a "sure thing".
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2011 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
Idiotic YouTube Commenter of the Year Award (via Nerdist/Chris Hardwick)
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On The HOBBIT trailer page.
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am i missing something or is it impossible to click links? in the new sbnation app?
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I’ve tried, not possible.
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that is the trolliest comment of all trolly comments
by Josie Becker on Dec 21, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
If purposeful trolling, it's still kinda funny.
But I’ve seen people that genuinely stupid posting sincerely on YouTube…
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Trivia: Who holds the record for most MLB IP for a player born in Asia?
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This is gonna be some guy who was born on an army base in Japan, right?
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
I was hoping, but according to B-R, no.
I did find that a guy named Jeff Bronkey was the only MLBer born in Afghanistan though.
Born: September 18, 1965 in Kabul, Afghanistan
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They are #1 and #2.
Chan Ho leads Nomo 1993 to 1976.
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Maybe Bronkey’s parents were CIA.
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Jeff Bronkey’s mother fell in love with an Afghani student she went to Columbia with and moved back there with him after they got married. She moved back to the U.S. due to a typhoid outbreak. At least that’s what one newspaper account said about him.
Another one stated this father was stationed in the miltary there. But I don’t think the U.S. had a military presence in Afghanistan in 1965. I would think that the USSR wouldn’t have liked that too much.
According to the obit for Jeff Bronkey's mom
The first story is the true one.
Cool. The back story that is, not the fact that his mom has passed on.
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Nomo was Asian?
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by Pure Azure on Dec 21, 2011 3:10 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
oh no.
Cards sign Eugenio Velez to a minor league deal. They are now expected to repeat in 2012.
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“I’m not satisfied with one ring,” Velez said. “I look forward to earning another and helping St. Louis to defend its title.”
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
Shaikin at the LAT
excerpted the bid book. Here’s the bit some of you will love:
The bid book also reminds prospective owners of an annual $14-million payment the Dodgers must provide as rent at Dodger Stadium to another McCourt entity not included in the sale and says that figure is scheduled to increase as soon as 2015.I hope to god that every entity that has the resource to commit to an approximate $1B sale figure would demand a deal that includes the stadium, the parking lots, the surrounding land, etc., leaving Frank nothing but cash.
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It is clearly Frank’s world. My gosh.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
We just rent it
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
The Dodgers are actually just one guy sitting at a desk. Everything else is separate entities. Swerve.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
From the it could be worse file
@jonbernhardt Ahahah Baseball America ranks Ryan Flaherty as the #Orioles 7th best prospect. He was their selection in this year’s Rule V draft.
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That is a name that demands to have Vin Scully announce it.
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The Peter Angelos era cannot end soon enough.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 21, 2011 3:29 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
It must suck to be a hardcore O’s fan.
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They do have one of the most exciting young prospects in baseball, so they do have that to look forward to.
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They have Dylan Bundy as well as Manny Machado who are both really awesome
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I imagine the thrill is gone after Matt Weiters, who’s good in a boring way.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
I was talking about Machado
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Right, but seeing one super prospect not live up to expectations has to kill the buzz a little.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Part of the Oriole problem is the same as ours. Many of their top prospects simply pitched to many innings last year leaving them ineligible for the prospect lists. They have lots of good arms, hopefully they don’t all turn into Tillman.
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Or Matsuz, or Britton, or Arrieta, or
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Man wtf happened to Matsuz, that guy was so great
Then couldn’t stop allowing home runs.
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Pitching is hard
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We may have reached the point where
Ned Colletti is the right GM to have.
To put this in terms that Billy Beane can understand: We’ve reached a point where trading away prospects is the new market inefficiency.
Hat tip to Jon at Dodger Thoughts for the Grantland link.
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Yep.
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
I think Matt Moore should start more then a few games before he’s given the crown of next great young pitcher. Besides being two of the best pitchers in baseball over the last three years the other important thing Felix and Kershaw have done, is gotten through the injury nexus unscathed.
When Matt Moore can strike out 200 hitters in a season and not end up on a table, maybe, maybe he can join this conversation.
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It would be an absolute shame to see him turn into the next Prior
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Agreed
I just wanted to see who would value a guy with great stuff and a handful of starts over a young pitcher on an historical trajectory.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 21, 2011 3:39 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Every once and awhile, the idea of McCourt developing Dodger Stadium land to include condos comes up
And I always forget exactly what the impediments to that are, given that it has never happened in half a century. Bob Timmermann, in the DT comments, reminds me:
Presently, Dodger Stadium’s deed prohibits the building of homes on the property. The City of L.A. would have to rezone the area. And there would have to be an EIR.
It’s not likely that the L.A. City Council will roll over for McCourt like they have for AEG.
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Unfortunately
The Dodgers are on a Low Budget.
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When the City of L.A. got the land back from the Housing Authority, they had to promise use the property for a “public purpose.” That purpose could be just about anything EXCEPT housing.
I will not hold out hope that any court in the land would rule that Frank McCourt owning the land and leasing it back to a Dodgers entity that he does not also own means the property is not longer in use for a “public purpose”.
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that last “not” is supposed to be “no”.
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I don’t know how much wild speculation you want to indulge in, but…
1) Could the LA City Council decide that, say, retail space served a “public purpose?”
2) We have just seen MLB roll over and grant concessions to McCourt just to be rid of McCourt. Is it possible that McCourt could play the same game with the LA City Council, forging a battle that lasts years, culminating in an OK to develop the land for condos as long as McCourt sells the land (i.e. he is not the one to develop the land)?
Those are both somewhat crazy, I know… but….
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
"somewhat crazy" is old hat, Humma
bat shit insane is where it’s at now!!
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one man’s somewhat crazy is another’s guano loco.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 21, 2011 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Unintentionally inappropriate domain names (warning – link is one of those show you the list one at a time while you give me page clicks and I try pop-ups setups, and a couple of their choices are clearly intentional [you know the store Master Bait & Tackle knew what they were doing] ):
(capitalization may be mine, to show intended meaning)
- whoRepresents.com
- dollarsExchange.com
- teachersTalk.com
- nyCanal.com
- goTahoe.com
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americanscrapmetal.com
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by regfairfield on Dec 21, 2011 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
Reminds me of inappropriate logos
Especially these two:
http://www.theginblog.com/2007/09/9-hilarious-and-sexually-inappropriate-company-logos/
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
HaHaHa
Similar page with a few different entries, including this one:
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guess he’s not getting traded
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2011 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
Ebanks
I dub thee lil’ Ariza
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my bro
calls him Aribanks
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+1
To your bro
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Not Ebiza?
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by Pure Azure on Dec 21, 2011 8:44 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Would anybody have preferred Jason Marquis to either of Capang? I’d think a groundball pitcher would be a better fit for a team assembling a good infield defense.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 21, 2011 8:49 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
are there
differing levels of Meh?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2011 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t know why this showed up here.
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How big are the “>” ?
Marquis just signed with the Twins for 1/3. I could see preferring, let’s say Capuano, and Marquis for significantly less financial commitment / more 2012 flexibility than signing Capang for the contracts they got.
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by David Young on Dec 22, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Yes. Someone else’s coinage here, but I don’t remember who. Tipping my hat in that general direction.
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by David Young on Dec 22, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
In that case, a McRib slid off the top of my hat toward you.
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Yes. Very much yes.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Esp at 1 yr/$3M, eh?
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by David Young on Dec 22, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
I’d much rather give Harang’s salary to Marquis, 1/3 is just icing on the cake.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
He's gonna become
Matt Kemp’s Lakers buddy?
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Mcbob pulling a Sasha by coming in and racking up 2 quick fouls and little else
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Sports Business trivial fact of the night!
NBA broadcasts have six television timeouts per half, at the first dead ball after the 6 minute and 3 minute marks, at the quarter break, and at the 9 minute mark in the 2nd and 4th quarters.
For comparison, there are four television timeouts in a college basketball broadcast, every four minutes in the 20 minute half.
someone needs to become offended for the post count to really climb. Or have a bitchin restaurant rec
by Josie Becker on Dec 21, 2011 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
wait until Fielder signs
then our anger shall truly flow like the mighty Amazon
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2011 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
Clipper crowd for their “home game” is probably 20% of the Staples capacity crowd. It’s still a Laker town
The game was a sell out. If you mean that over 20% of the fans were Laker fans you’d be correct. That always happens because many Laker fans can’t afford to buy a home game Laker ticket so they buy the Laker/Clipper ticket. It made for a very exciting game, no doubt the Laker fans were much more vocal last night for the preseason game. It will be interesting how that works for the real Clipper home games against the Lakers. I have a theory that many of the season tickets the Clippers just sold were to Laker fans who want to watch an exciting NBA team but will still root for the Lakers. We had a number of split couples at the game last night. That was unusual. I can remember being at a game and the sideline reporter trying to find these split couples so he could do a story and was basically coming up empty. Last night he’d have had a story. It was great, all around Laker and Clipper fans were giving each other shit but in a very very fun way.
As far as this being a Laker town I don’t think anyone has questioned that. If I was a Laker fan instead of worrying about who owns the town I’d be more worried about starting the season with:
1. The previous best player in basketball starting this season with more minutes on his 33 year old knee’s then any 33 year old in history. And suffering an injury the first time he hits the floor in a game.
2. A Young talented center who has been injury prone his whole career, came into the season in the best shape of his career but was clearly winded in the fourth qtr last night in a game where he did not play the amount of minutes he’s going to need to play given they have nobody to back him up.
3. An older talented Spaniard who was once the best at what he did but does not seem to be that guy anymore.
Those three all have to play at their highest level to keep the Lakers playing at the level Laker fans expect them to play. That is what I’d be worried about.
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Agreed. I sense some Laker fans are getting insecure now that the Lakers are on the decline and the Clippers are on the rise.
I became a Laker fan the only other time the Clippers were better and more fun, after Magic retired and Larry Brown was leading the Clips into the playoffs. So it’s not a new feeling to me but it will be interesting to see how others take it.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 22, 2011 9:51 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I agree with what Phil said
In that my concern is with how the Lakers are doing. The Clippers don’t enter into the equation unless tonight’s game is Lakers v. Clippers
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 22, 2011 9:54 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
it goes beyond fans. After the game yesterday, which the Clippers won mind you, the KCBS news segment interview order went Mike Brown, Paul Gasol, Blake Griffin. And the question Griffin was answering was “what did you think of the Lakers”
by Josie Becker on Dec 22, 2011 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
Isn’t that the Lakers station? The first question on Prime Ticket (the Clippers station) was Chris Paul being asked about the Clippers.
by Michael White on Dec 22, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
CBS, channel 2…..not KCAL, though CBS owns KCAL
by Josie Becker on Dec 22, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
I’d really like it if KCAL hit the delay button MORE during this game. For fuck’s sake, they have an itchy trigger finger.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 21, 2011 9:13 PM PST via Android app reply actions
I’m not scared or worried about it. You have to reload/rebuild, I’d welcome wholesale changes if they were prepared to do it properly. It was a great run.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 21, 2011 9:19 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
don't know how much you can really judge it on two presason games
after 6 practices. Also, giving minutes to guys who won’t be on the team.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2011 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not basing it on preseason games. I thought if they couldn’t get Paul they’d be stuck as a franchise as teams pass them by.
I think it’s something we must confront pretty soon, unless being a 4/5/6 seed is OK for the foreseeable future. I’d rather avoid that fate.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 21, 2011 10:02 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
ORL needs to lower their asking price
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2011 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
It's way too early to judge, I agree. 2 exhibition games with a new coach and scheme, hardly any training camp
and quite a few new players. Anyone who makes grand assumptions about this team’s season based on the now is rushing to judgement. Also, Lakers are hanging in there even without Kobe.
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Also, Blake Griffin is one of the best players, best dunkers, and apparently best floppers.
That was one Drogba would admire! hah.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2011 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
Neither would I
Or even a top 3 seed
New coach who I’m not crazy about, nor Kobe apparently
Kobe miffed
Kobe hurt on his shooting hand and a year older
Derek Fisher at PG. DEREK FISHER
Bynum out for 5 games in a short season
Trade Odom for nothing. TO DALLAS
Caracter out for a few weeks
The only young guy that excites me is Ebiza™ (my new nickname)
Luke Walton is still a Laker
I’m being objective here, I’d be shocked if we got any higher than a 4 seed
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by Pure Azure on Dec 22, 2011 3:50 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
The Western Conference seems down this year. Wouldn’t be surprised if someone like OKC ran away with the best record in the WC. Too bad Phil didn’t bet me on the Clippers seeding. Looks very doable.
Who did the defending champions lose? That little point guard? Of course Dirk is no spring chicken.
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by David Young on Dec 22, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
did you know that in the commonwealth, a spring chicken is called a poussin?
by Josie Becker on Dec 22, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
No
That looks vaguely French.
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by David Young on Dec 22, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Poussin
was French! He painted this, for instance:
Did you know that a similar word is spatchcock? (I didn’t.)
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by David Young on Dec 22, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Spatchcock is a nice Irish word. There’s also Spitchcock, which is fried eel
by Josie Becker on Dec 22, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Their center, Compton’s own Tyson Chandler. He signed with the Knicks. Also Caron Butler.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 22, 2011 12:00 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
3 Negatives, one plus
Heat are salivating. As always injuries will be key for all teams involved in the chase.
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Delonte West should help them but apparently they wanted to free up room to go after Dwight Howard this summer.
I guess they’d rather do that than load up on multiyear deals. They also picked up Vince Carter.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 22, 2011 1:57 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Neither fill the void of Chandler or little bat shit crazy irritating but highly productive back up point guard guy.
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bat shit crazy
That’s guano loco to you!
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 22, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Lakers will always be overrated in Vegas because they have such a huge following that will bet on them no matter the odds. Same with the Packers or Steelers in football or Yankees and Red Sox in baseball.
Maybe they are overrated because they have won two of the last three championships. Not because they have a huge fan base. Just thinking out loud here.
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That feeds into it, but teams that are insanely popular always get overrated in the Vegas betting lines (which is all I’m talking about).
as Jimmy the Greek said, betting lines aren’t about predicting outcomes, but about making sure the betting money is spread out evenly.
by Josie Becker on Dec 22, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, betting on any of those teams is normally a bad idea*
*3 of the last 6 superbowl winners and 6 world series winners since 96 with 3 more World Series appearances and 1 more superbowl appearance.
:)
There’s been good reason to bet on these teams, and I’d bet on the Lakers to be one of the best in the West again this year too.
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Karaoke update: Sang Its The End of the World by REM. Badly. Waiting to sing Loser by Beck.
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good luck
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 21, 2011 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
How in the hell does anyone sing The End Of The World
No one knows more than half the lyrics! :)
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Surprised
would have expected Kobe to be first on this list, minutes played through age 33
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Rk Player From To MP FG FGA TRB AST STL BLK PTS FG% 3P% FT%
1 Kevin Garnett 1996 2010 41695 8904 17916 12188 4719 1513 1790 22267 .497 .283 .785
2 Kobe Bryant 1997 2011 40145 9712 21370 5829 5154 1653 576 27868 .454 .339 .837
3 Oscar Robertson* 1961 1972 38672 8724 17865 7165 8890 24692 .488 .837
4 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 1970 1981 37890 10815 19440 13167 4083 716 2103 26270 .556 .000 .715
5 Elvin Hayes* 1969 1979 37558 8530 18920 12971 1798 606 1198 21249 .451 .671
6 Bill Russell* 1957 1968 37435 5408 12285 20136 3726 13760 .440 .563
7 Wilt Chamberlain* 1960 1970 37218 11091 20921 19333 3597 27426 .530 .513
8 Moses Malone* 1977 1989 37042 8070 16312 13671 1458 924 1483 23340 .495 .057 .765
9 Karl Malone* 1986 1997 36799 9510 18032 10542 3183 1417 804 25592 .527 .268 .724
10 Allen Iverson 1997 2009 36719 8331 19590 3315 5511 1964 162 23983 .425 .313 .780
11 Walt Bellamy* 1962 1973 36486 7523 14537 13496 2355 19924 .518 .633
12 Dirk Nowitzki 1999 2011 36236 7958 16713 8315 2655 884 983 22792 .476 .381 .877
13 Buck Williams 1982 1994 36136 5653 10198 11364 1452 916 931 14849 .554 .083 .663
14 Paul Pierce 1999 2011 35710 7012 15648 5847 3661 1429 612 21410 .448 .369 .805
15 Tim Duncan 1998 2010 35577 7937 15621 11335 3093 734 2235 20641 .508 .187 .687
16 Isiah Thomas* 1982 1994 35516 7194 15904 3478 9061 1861 249 18822 .452 .290 .759
17 Jason Kidd 1995 2007 35363 4907 12197 6308 8691 1902 286 13723 .402 .333 .779
18 Ray Allen 1997 2009 35099 6865 15317 4181 3545 1140 172 19661 .448 .398 .893
19 John Havlicek* 1963 1974 35031 8241 18898 6495 4676 95 32 20816 .436 .808
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Anyone else shocked that Dirk has been in the league since 1999?
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NBA has a weird rule that you have to be alive to play. MWP is testing that rule this year. :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
if i was the announcers I would refuse to call him MWP.
that was so annoying and i only watched 5 minutes last night.
I wanted to cut together all the times World Peace was yelled on air last night for all my hippie friends.
by Josie Becker on Dec 22, 2011 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
The NBA already had World B. Free. Artest needs a better shtick.
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I'd like to think that was his intention for changing it
So I don’t think it’s annoying, I admire him for doing it.
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Can’t test negative for pulse.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Dec 22, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
I’m shocked that Bill Russell’s FG% is only 44%! And that Kareem’s (55.6%!) is higher than Wilt’s (53%). I mean, Wilt was throwing up a lot of 15ish footers like Kareem was with the skyhook.
I knew Moses Malone’s was under 50% because he was padding his rebounding totals. ;-)
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I assumed Wilt’s was higher as well. He holds the single-season record – something like 72.7% – when he was just shooting layups for the Lakers.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
The widened the key because of Wilt. I believe Russell had a few years with a skinnier lane.
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by David Young on Dec 22, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
… Wilt wasn’t throwing ….
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by David Young on Dec 22, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Beltran to the Rays would be most awesome. Indians, Blue Jays don’t make much sense. Cardinals make the most sense to me.
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Approved
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 22, 2011 8:33 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
On a 2 year, 1m/24m contract
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Indians make sense, the division is so winnable and is blocking Michael Brantley worth worrying about? Also Sizemore will be dead by May anyway.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
was there any further news on CoCo? Not that I’m wanting it to happen, just wondering if we can expect any improvements to the offense.
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Per MLBTR this was their most recent post on him.
TUESDAY, 3:49pm: Agent Steve Comte told Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports that Crisp wants to play for a winner and find a home for a few years. The Cubs and Cardinals are among the teams involved, Rosenthal tweets. MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes first mentioned the Cubs’ interest last week.
Jason Marquis would have been a nice pick up for a team that has a good infield defense and needs a back of the rotation starter. Instead he’s going to a team that plays a 38 year old second baseman at short.
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Yup.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
Hoo haa
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Got an early Christmas gift of an Al Pacino box set?
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
he’s got us all in check
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 22, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
Is everyone already on vacation?
This place is a ghost town
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my office is a joke too
but theyre going to let us out at 2:00 so why use a whole vacation day when I get a half day for free?
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 22, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
E doesn't have any windows in his bedroom
They call me the thread killer
by Greg Stephen on Dec 22, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
I wish it was a “his windows are painted black” joke.
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by David Young on Dec 22, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
We’re all just waiting until 1pm, when Matt Barkley announces his return to USC
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
FTFY
We’re all just waiting until 1pm, when Matt Barkley announceshis return to USChe’s a satanist
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by David Young on Dec 22, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
If he returns to USC, it might be time to embrace the Dark Lord.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
iootp
Maybe if I get crazy bored I will liveblog my iootp game Im playing on my phone instead of doing work today. I started a new season with the pirates last night. They blow. Seattle also just lost King Felix for good because of a blown labrum. RIP.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 22, 2011 9:52 AM PST reply actions
I guess it behooves Dodger fans to watch “For Love of the Game”? I never watched it, does Vin get a lot of time in the movie?
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And he is excellent
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so many ways to tease you, none of them appropriate
by Josie Becker on Dec 22, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Matt Kemp is giving back today
If you ever wanted to see him in a hairnet….
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Will Leitch on how Twitter caused Darren Rovell to lose his mind. And other stuff about how Twitter will cause the End of Days. Or something like that.
Not a bad read.
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by David Young on Dec 22, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Hell yeah baby, who were the ones saying no way he comes back?? I’d hate to name names, BHS, but I knew he’d come back!!!!!
Never under estimate what it means to be a USC legend, Barkley sure didnt… Thats why I love Matt Barkley!!!
He was only at USC for two years. That’s probably what really happened to him.
by KellyStephen on Dec 22, 2011 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
just reading this
Sounds like he’s back. On the radio today there was talk they could be preseason #1 if he returned.
Yep, he’s coming back. Not sure what LSU and Alabama are bringing back, but Stanford is losing Luck and if I remember right OSU is losing some key players. They’ll be top 5 to start out for sure. And then they’ll have to play it out and make their statement on the field. I’m looking forward to it. First game against Hawaii (and old friend Norm Chow) is September 1. Only 254 days away.
by KellyStephen on Dec 22, 2011 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Oh he’s back. Sounds like preseason top four. Oregon could be there too.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2011 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
positive spin: USC’s sanctions and no Rose Bowl kept Barkley an extra year, and a highly probable national championship run
by Josie Becker on Dec 22, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
most def
but it stands that Alabama took a few years to get back after their sanctions, while USC is coming out of them with momentum
by Josie Becker on Dec 22, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
SC still has to deal with the loss of scholarships for awhile.
Hence more JC players coming in than in the past …
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 22, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
JC players is how Cal made their mark seven years ago, it’s just less sustainable
by Josie Becker on Dec 22, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
What mark was that, with a crayon?
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I said seven, not five, and unsustainable : )
by Josie Becker on Dec 22, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Isn’t there a little delay in the effect of the scholarship restrictions? You miss those incoming freshman a year or two later when you expected them to be big contributors as sophs/juniors?
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The only part I doubt is:
highly probable national championship run
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Luck-gone, James-gone, three teams with new coaches, OSU down, Cal down, Arizona down. Who’s gonna stop them?
by Josie Becker on Dec 22, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
USC will have to beat a top 10 Oregon team likely twice. Hopefully both games will be in LA
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
What does winning the Pac 12 have to do with becoming a National Champion? Every year we have a Pac 12 Champion, how times have they been National Champions?
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You mean besides the 11 times USC has done it?
by KellyStephen on Dec 22, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
if they go undefeated, especially now that the Pac has a title game, they’re a shoo in, no? Is there an dangerous OOC opponent I’m not aware of?
by Josie Becker on Dec 22, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, USC is a shoo in to go undefeated. Happens all the time.
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That’s a definite long shot. It’s all about being in the mix.
Besides, I thought it was the Clippers who are going to go undefeated this year.
by KellyStephen on Dec 22, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
Lakers will go defeated
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Clippers are about to start a probable run to the World Championship provided Barkley comes back.
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Charles Barkely
would be cherry picking worse than Wilt did at the end
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
But I’d pay to see it.
At his, um, size these days there’s no way the alley oop will work for him.
by KellyStephen on Dec 22, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
In the sense that no one team can be probable to win a national championship, sure. But USC next year is set up about as well as any team could be.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
I think her point was that the run is highly probable, not the championship, but I could be wrong.
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so by that logic every team in the SEC will be making a highly probable national championship run?
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Keith will get you for that.
Alabama, LSU, Georgia will be in the mix; throw South Carolina in there as well.
by KellyStephen on Dec 22, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
how many SEC teams have an actual shot to win the conference? Maybe three?
by Josie Becker on Dec 22, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Gio Gonzalez
Going to the Nats
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 22, 2011 1:17 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Now that the A’s have three good young pitchers they’ll be unstoppable.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 22, 2011 1:26 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
millone tops out at 86
peeacocks a beast tho might be a reliever tho longterm
They gave up Cole.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
LOL at u
i mean they got GIO without giving up any of their top 3… but yes Very LOL
Who is top-3 to you? Harper, Rendon and then ?
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i mean they got GIO without giving up any of their top 3
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Somewhere in between that, Reg pointed out that Matthew was incorrect about Cole not being in the trade.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Right. I still take it that Matthew isn’t backing off that Nats didn’t yield one of their top-3.
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Either way, nice haul for a team who has gone into rebuilding in a way that is seldom seen and rarely successful.
On that note who was the last team to trade good young major league players as they rebuilt to the prospect level and succeeded in becoming a postseason team within 3-5 years?
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2003 was six years after 1997. He said 3-5 years.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 22, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
That’s what I get for answering a patented Phil rhetorical question with 87 different criteria that are impossible to meet. :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
Six if valid, but did the Marlins build it that way? I can’t recall how they built the 2003 Championship team, but was it with prospects from other teams?
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Beckett, Penny, Miggy, Conine were all Marlins from the start
But honestly I don’t remember a lot of the other guys on that team. Maybe Pavano too.
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From the what I remember the last time we asked this
Brad Penny for Matt Mantei
Derek Lee for Kevin Brown
Beckett was obtained by being very bad, a side effect of selling everything
Ugeth Urbina was obtained with one of their draft picks they got for being very bad
Even then, this wasn’t trading first year arb players for prospects.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
I had no idea Penny wasn't their drafted prospect
And wasn’t Urbina trade for in the summer of 2003? I thought he was a rental.
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Yeah but they wouldn’t have had Adrian Gonzalez to trade for him if they weren’t so bad.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Parker, Cole, and Peacock with Norris at catcher
I would say those are the 4 highlighted players in the 2 trades, and that’s a hell of a job for Cahill and Gonzalez in my opinion. Damn.
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I am of the belief that there is no such thing as an untradeable player; that everyone, no matter who, has a price.
But if there were such a thing as an untradeable player, Bryce Harper would be one of the select few who would qualify. And he especially wouldn’t be traded for Gio Gonzalez.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Harper for Strasburg, straight up!
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 22, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Harper for Matt Moore. That is in an interesting question though, the most untradable player. Presumably it would be Evan Longoria if you go by fangraphs’ “top trade value” list
true that.
god, it’s gonna be weird to see A Rod in 2017.
not that it will matter.
the yankees payroll will be $400 mil by then. dang, his contract gives him extra dough for reaching Mays, Ruth, Aaron, and Bonds on the all time HR list.
Assuming he's healthy
he could reach Mays next year – 31 away.
That’s a windmill slam “no takebacks” trade for the Rays.
Evan Longoria is still the most valuable player in the majors after that it’s debatable. Upton and Pedroia are good choices.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Except Upton is only going to get better while Pedroia will head in the opposite direction.
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Pedroia is incredibly cheap though. Mike Stanton also a possibility, buddy of mine said Tulo.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
If every player went to free agency
and there was a franchise draft, I’d take Mike Stanton before anyone.
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I should have said the contract thing originally.
but if I had a list, off the top of my head:
1. Stanton
2. Longoria
3. Upton
Beyond that it would take some thought
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Top 10 yeah
But he’d be behind at least a few more than the ones I mentioned as well.
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Tulo?
Honestly, I’d say CarGo over Tulo, and I don’t even think CarGo is that great. 6/120 isn’t exactly team friendly for a player that might have injury problems. CarGo’s 7/80, on the other hand, is pretty damn great.
Have to consider that Tulo’s worst healthy year is better than CarGo’s best. At least rWAR wise.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
Especially when it’s nine more years, for a guaranteed $152.25 million
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2011 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
Sure, but you’re getting quality in return. When CarGo hasn’t had a .380 BABIP he’s not even an All Star caliber player.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
i do consider that. the question isn’t “who’s a better player.” i don’t think anyone would deny that’s tulo. the question is “who’s more valuable”
Focus on how good the player is, how much he makes is more of a tie breaker.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
um, no? i guess teh question is up for interpretation, but this discussion started when were talking about tradeability. You have to weigh the player’s talent with their contract, age, durability, etc.
Yes, and teams who get the best players win the most games, teams who trade for value get props on Twitter and finish .500.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
ok.
Then why are we even talking about players like Bryce Harper, Mike Stanton, Justin Upton, etc? Shouldn’t our list obviously just be the best players in baseball? Justin Verlander, Clayton Kershaw, Albert Pujols, Matt Kemp, etc?
Because they’re younger and have more upside or in Uptons case are already that good. Pitchers have higher rates of total flame out so you don’t want to stick with them.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
And I really think you’re overrating CarGo or underrating Tulo, they’re not close.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
If you think that CarGo is at least 2/3 the player that Tulo is, then their contracts make them exactly equal. Totally subjective, I know, but I’ve already stated that I think Tulos is clearly the better player and that I don’t think CarGo is that great.
But he’s not, and player values don’t work that way.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
This conversation is getting a bit out of control.
How could you possibly tell me how player values work while holding to the idea that contracts are just the “tiebreaker?”
Because you can’t just cash in dollars for wins.
Let’s say for sake of argument that while Tulo makes 18 million CarGo Makes 12. Meanwhile Tulo is a 6 win player while CarGo is 4 win.
To equal what Tulo makes, not only do you have to find a two win player on the open market for six million (good luck with that), but you also have to consider that you’re burning an extra spot in the lineup to make up that difference. Even if you did get a steal on the open market I can pull some fast dude with good defense out of my farm system and scrap a win out of him so I still come out on top.
This is why I hate adding up the WARs and linear dollar per WAR calculations. They don’t account for the fact that you have limited play time and every value player you add to your lineup limits the amount of wins you can get.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
I wasn’t adding WAR. We weren’t even talking about WAR. I recognize that my “2/3 formula” was a bit crude, but my overall point was that a good player is not a good player in a vacuum. You can’t not consider a player’s contract because it really does affect how the rest of the roster will shape up.
It’s the same idea though. You’re saying that CarGo + whatever you can get with the extra money is better than Tulo.
What I’m saying really only applies at the elite level of player that you rarely have the opportunity to add. If you want to find value in your supporting cast, sure, go ahead, but when you get the opportunity to get an elite player you have to take it, even if it’s not as efficient.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
And by the way, I totally disagree with this logic. Teams that trade for value free up salary room to sign more good players. Otherwise, why would fans ever care what their team is paying a player?
Who was the last team that saved their pennies then went crazy on the free agent market?
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
The Miami Marlins.
But that’s not really what I was saying. I was saying “make good trades for young players and then sign good vets” and EVERY team does that. It’s GM 101.
"make good trades for young players and then sign good vets" and EVERY team does that
Wait, which team’s blog is this?
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My reply would have been the same. Other than Ethier, has Ned ever traded for a significant young player?
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I'm a bit more with you here
Tulo is clearly the best SS in baseball. He makes 18+ million a year (or will soon I believe), so his actual value in terms of money definitely gets lowered from it.
It’s hard to say I wouldn’t want Tulo, but because of his contract (same thing with Kemp now too) there are a lot more people I’d take in front of him.
This is all a moot point if I’m the Yankees or Red Sox and can spend whatever I want, though.
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Yeah really
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by Pure Azure on Dec 22, 2011 1:41 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
When I was doing offsesaon plans I thought about targeting Milone but he’s 24 and dominated AAA with a change up and I’m not a fan of guys like that. Peacock was also old for AA and fell off in AAA so I’m not too into that. Norris is a who cares kind of pickup (27.5% K rate) so that leaves the dude pitching in the Sally League. I don’t see Washington regretting this.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
If you’re just looking at numbers I don’t see how they don’t jump out at you. Only two guys with 50+ innings in AAA had a better FIP than Milone. Peacock lead AA in FIP.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
norris was coming back from some wrist hand injury... guys gonna be a beast...
but he was expendable because the nats have ramos as their catcher anyways
Dude has never made contact.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
FWIW, from
3) A.J. Cole, RHP, Grade B+. I really believe in his upside. Needs to build stamina and refine his changeup, but if it comes together he could be a Top 20 pitching prospect next year, perhaps more.
4) Brad Peacock, RHP, Grade B: Borderline B+. Still has some command issues, but his ERAs finally caught up with his components and his overall potential in 2011. Will be ready before Cole but his upside is not quite as high. Future 2/3 starter if all works out.
6) Derek Norris, C, Grade B: Loads of power, walks, and scouting reports on his defense are getting more positive each year. Ranking may seem high for such a low batting average, but I see him as a Mike Napoli/Mickey Tettleton type who can be productive even with a low average.
9) Tom Milone, LHP, Grade B-: At some point, the radar guns stop mattering. The guy can simply pitch. He has little margin for error, but he will probably have a better career than hundreds of guys who throw 10 MPH harder.
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My Brother worked with Milone on the set of the new Spider Man movie
nice kid, too bad he moved to the AL because he blasted a HR on his first MLB AB
He walks a ton of guys but seems to get away with it, at least in Oakland. I saw a split from last year that he was way better at home.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 22, 2011 1:44 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Just learned something new
returning college football seniors are eligible for a $5 million dollar disability insurance policy
So rich OC QBs who can afford the insurance can party in college another year as seniors instead of leaping at the big NFL money, while others with poorer backgrounds who can’t have little choice but to enter the draft?
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Life is not fair? Damn no one told me this.
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I didn’t take a stance on whether that was fair or not. Just pointing out that the options and decisions can be different depending on the circumstances.
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I think what you really highlighted is how much the parents have an influence. Even if they’re poor, you could have parents without a college graduate in the family who push that. There are probably rich parents who rightfully argue that a $20mill guaranteed contract in the NFL is worth way more than an insurance policy so you can fart around another year. But parents, highly influential.
by Josie Becker on Dec 22, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Man, I feel so bad for the guys who get drafted and start making millions or even
hundreds of thousands! Damn, what can I do to help them? Is there a fund?
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give me the money
I’ll make sure it gets to them
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 22, 2011 2:07 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'll trust you with that when I see you drink a dr pepper ;)
Will that or has that gotten old yet? lol
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I still have no idea what these dr pepper battles are about. I’m assuming Eric loves it and Tommy Blackjack hates it, but other than that I’m totally clueless.
No
EVERYONE loves Dr Pepper, Tommy is a cyborg created to hate Dr Pepper, but also be completely awesome besides that :P
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i never knew there was a cult around dr pepper until i moved to the west coast. people fucking love it out here. in old country, people were completely indifferent to it. i dont think i knew a single person that drank it on a regular basis.
the two people i know from texas are totally into it.
so based on that SSS, your assertion is confirmed.
We draw the line
at pouring liquor into it
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true, ha.
my passion for dr pepper has been rekindled somewhat since coming out here.
I think it started between me an 4down
But Eric felt the need to carry the crusade, and others were so inspired by the heroic march(or brainwashed if you know the real story) that they too took up the banner of defending a disgusting beverage.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 22, 2011 2:45 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Andrew Luck has a 4 million insurance policy playing this past year at Stanford…. Now sure how well off his family is or isnt though.
well off enough to afford a $25,000 insurance policy
by Josie Becker on Dec 22, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Boosters can always pay for that!
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by Pure Azure on Dec 22, 2011 2:42 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Luck's dad
Oliver Luck is the AD at West Virginia and played for the Houston Oilers in the mid-80s. He’s been::
- president and general manager of the Houston Dynamo (MLS)
- a lawyer
- president of the World League of American Football
- CEO of the Houston Sports Authority
I’m guessing the Lucks do ok.
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That's
a lotta Luck
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by mleadman on Dec 22, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It costs
roughly $25,000-$30,000 to get $5Mil NCAA insurance policy.
by Josie Becker on Dec 22, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Luckily it's just soccer
So I don’t think it’s been talked about yet :P
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Dodgers announced their 2012 minor league coaching staff. Not too many changes. Will have a post up in a bit, but I’m getting lunch first.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 22, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
whole staff
Field Coordinator: Bruce Hines
Senior Advisor, Player Development: P.J. Carey, Gene Clines, Charlie Hough
Senior Advisor, Latin America: Ramon Martinez
Hitting Coordinator: Eric Owens
Pitching Coordinator: Rafael Chaves
Outfield/Baserunning Coordinator: Damon Mashore
Infield Coordinator: Jody Reed
Catching Coordinator: Travis Barbary
Coordinator of Arizona Instruction: Matt Martin
Campo Las Palmas Coordinator: Henry Cruz
Field Coordinator, Campo Las Palmas: Antonio Bautista
Triple-A Albuquerque:
Manager: Lorenzo Bundy
Hitting Coach: John Valentin
Pitching Coach: Glenn Dishman
Double-A Chattanooga:
Manager: Carlos Subero
Hitting Coach: Franklin Stubbs
Pitching Coach: Chuck Crim
Single-A Rancho Cucamonga:
Manager: Juan Bustabad
Hitting Coach: Michael Boughton
Pitching Coach: Matt Herges
Single-A Great Lakes:
Manager: John Shoemaker
Hitting Coach: Razor Shines
Pitching Coach: Hector Berrios
Rookie-advanced Ogden:
Manager: Damon Berryhill
Hitting Coach: Doug Mientkiewicz
Pitching Coach: Bill Simas
Rookie-level Arizona League Dodgers:
Manager/Coordinator of Arizona Instruction: Matt Martin
Hitting Coach: Leo Garcia
Pitching Coach: Kremlin Martinez
Rookie-level Dominican Summer League Dodgers:
Manager: Pedro Mega
Hitting Coach: Keyter Collado
Pitching Coach: Alejandro Pena
Catching Coach: Jose D. Hernandez
Assistant Coach: Rafael Ozuna
Camelback Ranch – Glendale:
Camelback Ranch Pitching/Rehab Coach: Jim Slaton
Camelback Ranch Coach: Johnny Washington
Camelback Ranch Coach: Esteban Lopez
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Was Eyechart at Great Lakes last year, too?
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 22, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
No, this will be his first year as coach.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
They have already started the stitching on his jersey.
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Excuse me, Ogden – I misread it.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 22, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
Just glad
Doug Mientkiewicz isn’t the sliding coach.
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must be Cubano
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Kremlin Martinez and Razor Shines can face off during Spring Training in the Best Name in Camp competition.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 22, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
Matt Herges moved up from AZL rookie league to Rancho
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Lots of experience moving from team to team.
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Jody Reed being in our system is wrong on so many levels. I’d hire him just to fire when he needed money the most. Fuck him, fuck him twice. Fuck him forever.
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Two Kavulapoints go to the best joke on this subject.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 22, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
meercats have a lot of stamina to consider fucking Jody Reed forever.
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Reed is actually part of the landscaping crew
But must cut the grass with a pair of shears.
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Was gonna say
isn’t a rake taller than him?
My own entry: the Dodgers had Pedro Martinez all lined up to work with the Dodgers young prospects, but Tommy said he’d never make it as a coach…..
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 22, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I guess Keyter Collado didn't like his chances after I ranked him #196 this year
so he became a coach
also, I’m guessing Devin Shines will join his dad in Great Lakes at some point in 2012
by Brandon Lennox on Dec 22, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
Did he become a coach
or is he a player/coach?
Stubbbbbbbbbs!
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Is that our Ramon Martinez or just another of hundreds of Ramon Martinez’s that had nothing to do with the Dodgers?
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Pitching Coach: Kremlin Martinez
Dominicans and there love of Russian names makes me smile everytime.
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Camelback Ranch Pitching/Rehab Coach: Jim Slaton
Future job for Kuo
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Up to now, it’s been more a vocation.
by berkowit28 on Dec 22, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hitting Coach: Franklin Stubbs
Is it any wonder so many of our prospects do not make contact?
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and insistence that playing ability has anything to do with one’s coaching ability.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
When it comes to hitting coaches how many hitting coaches who struck out a bazillion times do you know? That have any type of rep?
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t was my guess
but I coulda used one more strikeout from him
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
How many never made the majors? And would have struck out more than Stubbs and the like but they weren’t good enough?
No correlation.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
Other than Doug Mietkiwiasdjkfhs?
I don’t know how much a bazillion works out to, but Mark McGwire struck out 1596 times.
/snark.
He also hit 583 HR.
Doesn’t he get a lot of the credit for Jose Bautista?
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My dad told me
That Stan Musial when trying to teach hitters how to hit a baseball just said that he swung the bat and hit the ball. Something to that effect. Now that’s amusing :)
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Oh, Cake Boss
Cake Boss.
PS: CAKE BOSS.
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Starting to get more tired of Morrison than the Marlins were when they sent him down.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 22, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
He did the exact same joke with Pujols a few weeks ago.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Richie Sexson I'm guessing
But he actually still had one great year before his total and utter downfall
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Sexson did put up some pretty damn good numbers in SEA. 39 and 34 HR for the first two season while he was there. And there’s been quite a few power hitters that played well at Safeco.
Since the steroid era ended who might these players be?
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I just go with when testing started.
Rk Player HR From To Age G PA BA OBP SLG OPS
1 Ichiro Suzuki 66 2004 2011 30-37 1276 5869 .325 .368 .414 .783
2 Jose Lopez 80 2004 2010 20-26 873 3599 .266 .297 .400 .697
3 Raul Ibanez 113 2004 2008 32-36 755 3256 .291 .354 .477 .831
4 Adrian Beltre 103 2005 2009 26-30 715 3059 .266 .317 .442 .759
5 Richie Sexson 105 2005 2008 30-33 509 2102 .244 .334 .474 .808
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Generated 12/22/2011.
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hm.
i guess i was thinking more along the lines of steroid era players then.
Brett Boone was boss
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holy shit
you’re not kidding. i would have never guessed that he hit 37 HR in a season. but i guess i find myself saying that all the time about steroid era players: “i never knew x hit y HR”
For example:
Rich Aurilia hit 37 HR in 2001? WTF?
1996 - 2003
Rk Player HR From To Age PA OBP SLG OPS
1 Ken Griffey 209 1996 1999 26-29 2768 .381 .615 .996
2 Edgar Martinez 206 1996 2003 33-40 4848 .433 .549 .982
3 Alex Rodriguez 184 1996 2000 20-24 3307 .381 .575 .956
4 Jay Buhner 141 1996 2001 31-36 2444 .371 .504 .875
5 Bret Boone 96 2001 2003 32-34 2070 .359 .526 .885
6 Mike Cameron 87 2000 2003 27-30 2528 .350 .448 .798
7 Dan Wilson 74 1996 2003 27-34 3370 .312 .396 .708
8 John Olerud 67 2000 2003 31-34 2664 .392 .448 .840
9 Russ Davis 66 1996 1999 26-29 1672 .309 .446 .754
10 Paul Sorrento 54 1996 1997 30-31 1055 .358 .511 .869
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On a side note, Richie Sexson is one of those guys that I wonder why the hell he retired when he did. His last two seasons were bad, but not terrible. And he was so consistently good before that that i would think someone would want to sign him as a lottery ticket.
Back to Gio for a second
Nats pitching staff will have…
Strasburg under contract through 2016
Gonzalez under contract through 2015
Zimmermann under contract through 2015
That will play.
That rotation with Prince, Zimm, Morse, Harper pretty soon, Ramos, and in a couple years Rendon
They would be able to compete with the Phillies and Braves.
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To play the National Anthem at their first World Series game?
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Trivia
What player has the most career home runs without ever having a season of 40+ HR?
I always think of Eddie Murray with this.
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Dimaggio?
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nope. meercatjohn already got it.
Other surprising names without a 40+ season: Stan Musial and Dave Winfield.
Meanwhile, guys like Phil Nevin and Richard Hidalgo (who I never even heard of before today) had 40+ seasons during the steroid era.
Do you know who Greg Vaughn is?
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Of course, Brady Anderson is the weirdest 50 HR hitter. Dude only had 20+ two other seasons in his 15 year career.
Roger Maris only had two other 30+ seasons.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
One wonders how big the KC park was, he was built for Yankee stadium, then injuries.
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From
312-L, 430-C, 347-R (original)Seems pretty big.
369-L, 421-C, 338-R (final)
I think that’s the first time I’ve blockquoted a picture.
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I’m puzzled by the idea of fans at a KC game during that era.
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Might be from when the Royals played there for a few seasons before they got their new stadium.
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Someday Matt Kemp will win this trivia question all because of a rain out in Washington
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One hell of a trend
7
10
18
26
28
39
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Kemp never hit another home run after he went bananas to start his career?
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Nope, that .508 OPS is why Luis Gonzo was signed?
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When Kemp first came up he hit seven home runs in his first 15 games. He did not hit another one in his next 36.
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Kemp hit seven home runs in like his first 60 at bats his rookie year then never hit another one.
He hit five home runs faster than any other Dodger until Marlon Anderson broke the record.
Trivia no one will get: before Matt Kemp broke the record what Dodger took the least amount of time to reach five home runs.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Kevin Elster
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Think he was either second or third.
For the purposes of this I’m considering the Brooklyn Dodgers and LA Dodgers a different team.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
Rookie or trade?
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It was switching from Brooklyn to LA.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
Completely. Anyway since we’re in NPUT mode the answer is Don Drysdale.
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by regfairfield on Dec 22, 2011 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
Do you hear that Mr. Anderson?
That is the sound of inevitability
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
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In case anyone was curious, they extended my contract through January. Never thought I’d be so pissed to have a job.
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