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Chad Billingsley, TBLA Forecast Review

At least Bobby still loves me  (Photo by Doug Pensinger/Getty Images)

This was Michael White's Preview:



Year Age IP BB/9 K/9 ERA FIP x-FIP tERA ERA+
2008
23 200.2 3.59 9.01 3.14 3.35 3.62 3.58 133
2009
24 196.1 3.94 8.21 4.03 3.82 4.04 3.93 99
2010 25 191.2 3.24 8.03 3.57 3.07 3.81 3.21 107
2011 26 188 4.00 7.03 4.21 3.83 4.14 4.18 88
2011 Projections - Age 26 Season



Year
IP BB/9 K/9 ERA FIP


Bill James
201 2.25 8.46 3.63 3.54


Marcel
175 2.45 8.33 3.57 3.37


Baseball HQ
203 3.40 8.20 3.37


ZiPS
207 3.38 8.47 3.30

None of the experts expected an increase in walks per nine innings, a decrease in strikeouts per nine innings, and the corresponding jump in all the various ERA metrics. They basically expected Chad in 2011 to be Chad in 2010 which is basically why some forecasts are as useful as Luke Walton.

How did the TBLA Members do?

First off we always look to SilverWidow for guidance.

214 IP
3.23 ERA
197 K
Arguably #1 starter on the team this year.

Hmmm, if only that had been true.

Taylor was even more optimistic:

I say he finally goes sub-3.00
ERA: 2.90
IP: 210
K/9: 8.50
Bam.

It was a bad thread for forecasting. The game thread came quickly so very few projections and every one was optimistic. That was to be expected given his success in 2010. No winners for this projection.

Two members did express concern about the declining K Rate:

3.90 ERA in 210 innings. FIP 3.50 with a 1.25 WHIP.
Is Billingsley’s declining K/9 rate reason for concern? 8K/9 is still excellent of course and his BB/9 has also declined.
by guy clinch on Mar 27, 2011 10:50 AM PDT actions

If it continues to decline this year
Then it could be of some concern, but typically its a declining K rate combined with an increasing walk rate that raises real red flags. As it is its plenty high.
by EMDarrow on Mar 27, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up actions

Based on the comment by EMDarrow, red flags have been raised after Chad's 2011 season.

Looking at Fangraphs, they say he stopped using his slider in 2011. In the past he would throw it about 3% of the time. He used his change up more then ever, going up to .6.5% from 2.9% the year before. Everything else stayed the same, so according to Fangraphs he discarded the slider for the change up. Baseball HQ has this to say:

Dramatic skills dips raise specter of a hidden injury but that's just speculation. Bet on some partial recovery from regression alone.

and this:

8/22/2011 - Chad Billingsley (RHP, LA) has looked like an elite pitcher the first time through lineups: 8.2 Dom, 2.4 Ctl, 43% GB%, 104 BPV. His control escapes him after that. He has a 4.2 Ctl the second time through lineups and a 4.5 Ctl the third time through lineups. He sustains a 7.0+ Dom during both situations, so if he can solve his middle and late-game control woes, he could re-emerge as an impact SP.

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Not very impressive, especially since the pricing is outrageous. Cheeseburger, fries and a drink will run you $9.14. Fries are pretty good but not really a step up from McDonald’s quality. And they cook the burgers well-done – unbeknownst to me – which is idiotic. All that does is kill its juices and flavor.

This place is a waste of space; there’s an In-N-Out right next to it if you want something worth your money.

by silverwidow on Dec 27, 2011 1:51 PM PST reply actions  

Burger lore

Went to the Lazy Ox yesterday for a burger, fries, and a flight of cold beers

not a bargain menu, but if you want to drop 16 bucks on a burger and fries, you’d be hard pressed to find one much better

it was delicious

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 27, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Still a big fan of Red Robin burgers and fries. Go about once a year, they did not disappoint during a break while Saturday shopping.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

used to work at Nordstrom Topanga – ate many a RR Burger – they do not disappoint

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 27, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Man, I’m so hungry now.

by G.Scott on Dec 27, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Wasn’t Billz the main chip in a potential deal to land Halladay from the Blue Jays a few years ago? And did we balk on that deal or did Toronto?

by ishXdavid on Dec 27, 2011 2:04 PM PST reply actions  

Pretty sure it was Bills and Kemp.

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by regfairfield on Dec 27, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

If you mean 2009

we definitely balked at that one.

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by Taylor Maricle on Dec 27, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

We would have balked in 2009, we looked kinda dumb for not taking it in 2010 and now it’s a good thing we didn’t do it.

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by regfairfield on Dec 27, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I only recall Chad being the centerpiece of the deal for Roy when he was a BlueJay. I have zero recollection of Matt Kemp being involved. Tom Hoffarth of the Daily New wrote an article saying we should trade Bills for Roy and we at TBLA (mainly me) decried the idea of trading a young future stud like Chad for a rental. If the fucking SB Nation worked like a normal search engine should I should be able to find the story but we are left with the weakest POS search engine left on this planet.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I remember it would have been Chad plus a prospect or two

Possibly even just straight up for him.

TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion

by Ivdown on Dec 27, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

If only we had an archive that listed every story we ever published in chronological order.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 27, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, that is fun. Who needs a search engine when you can simply look at an index story by fucking story to find the needle in they haystack you might be looking for.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Google should try that winning approach.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Something that took under 10 seconds

1) Clicked on “Archive” at the very top of this page
2) Clicked on “2009”
3) Clicked on ‘July’ (since we were talking about Halladay at the 2009 trade deadline)
4) Eyeballed list looking for meercatjohn or Phil (control F also an option here), found this

by Eric Stephen on Dec 27, 2011 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice, but I find it bizarre you are defending this site’s POS search engine by using old style hunt and peck. This only works because we know the trade scenario was happening in July of 2009, that is rarely the case when one wants to find when they wrote about something obscure.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Not defending it; there are just many ways to find things

by Eric Stephen on Dec 27, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Easiest way is to have you eventually do it. The downside is that we have to listen to you complain.

by fbihop on Dec 27, 2011 8:52 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I feel I should mention this was a joke because it looks really dickish.

by fbihop on Dec 27, 2011 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

MLBTR is saying the deal was “Bills and others” so I must be thinking of something else.

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by regfairfield on Dec 27, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

For all the love of prospects and youth

Baseball makes a pretty good argument for “Bird in the Hand”

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 27, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think Roy wanted to pitch on the West Coast

He lives near Clearwater, I believe.

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 27, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

some forecasts are as useful as Luke Walton.

very timely, as Luke actually played 6 minutes in an NBA game last night. What’s more depressing is that Derek Fisher actually played 30.

For the love of god, enough.

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 27, 2011 2:13 PM PST reply actions  

The NBA, where Derek Fisher happens.

by Tripon on Dec 27, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

One is the worst player on an NBA roster. The other is a shooting guard in a point guard’s body, who now has to play PG in a non-triangle offense, and is probably worse than every backup PG in the league.

by The Dude Abides on Dec 27, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

worst player on any* NBA roster

by The Dude Abides on Dec 27, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

they should've just amnestied Walton

and picked up a warm body who can actually do something, like run or jump.

Whatever, I’m resigned to the fact that they’ll be a 5 seed at best and not do anything this year. A wasted year for Bryant near the end of his career.

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 27, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

They could be saving the Amnesty for Kobe in case his health does not hold up. He’s not someone they can build the future around, do they really want that contract?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting

I never considered it because I’d think he keeps himself in enough good shape, and cares enough to have alternative procedures done like the one in Germany, that he’d still be valuable enough to keep or trade even at a max salary.

I’m not sure how many years he has left on his contract, but I imagine I’m one of the few Laker fans who wouldn’t mind trading him if he refuses to age gracefully and keeps ballhogging at the end of games thinking he’s still 26 years old. His last shot in that Bulls game was ridiculous.

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by Pure Azure on Dec 27, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

including this year

3 years left

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 27, 2011 3:21 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

and

He has a NTC

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 27, 2011 3:22 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

No one would trade for Kobe with that contract. You amnesty him, you free up money for the future. If you had a choice this summer of Kobe for two more years, or amnesty him so you can pick up Deron Williams for five more prime time years which would you do?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

is this a trick question?

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 27, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Bryant could earn $27.4 million in 2011-12, $30.2 million the following season and more than $32 million in his final year, when he would be 35.

link

Yeah, that would be kinda hard to fit under the cap. I see the Bulls as a fit maybe if they amnesty the overrated Boozer, tho I don’t know their cap situation.

If we can get Howard I keep Kobe, if not then I build around Bynum and try to get Williams.

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by Pure Azure on Dec 27, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I really don’t see any way that happens

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 27, 2011 3:21 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

At this point, you could probably just give Walton Fisher’s minutes directly and improve the team. Maybe not a lot, but certainly some.

Man, wasn’t so long ago I thought Walton would be a pretty decent player… wonder what exactly happened, or if he just got complacent or something.

by EMDarrow on Dec 27, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Neither deserve minutes right now

Walton was okay for 2 years or so, enough to fool Kupchak to give him $30 million or something, which I hated then and hate now.

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by Pure Azure on Dec 27, 2011 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

injuries stole that minimum amount of athleticism he needed to get by

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 27, 2011 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I think this is true

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Wasn't aware Walton had had such injury problems

but yea, I can see that. He was never a major athlete, and doesn’t have enough size to get by with at least a little agility. If thats gone then he’s probably only marginally better then me at this point.

by EMDarrow on Dec 27, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Back problems galore.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I loved his basketball brain when he first joined the team – I really liked the Lakers when he was on the floor

Walton’s are breakable – this had been proven

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 27, 2011 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Silverwidow, what did you think was preposterous about the trade deadline scene in Moneyball? That didn’t strike me as too out of the realm of possibility.

Certainly not as ridiculous as Beane flying to Cleveland to discuss in person a trade for a reliever.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 27, 2011 2:18 PM PST reply actions  

His receptionist getting any GM on the line within seconds. Pretty dumb and unrealistic.

by silverwidow on Dec 27, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

You pick the weirdest things to key in on.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 27, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s just one nitpick that I could remember. I’m not exactly the best movie reviewer around. :)

by silverwidow on Dec 27, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Billy throws his pen in the air for five minutes while he waits for Brian Sabean to stop talking to his mother

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by regfairfield on Dec 27, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Why was Brian talking to Billy’s mother?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

because he's a motherfucker

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by Pure Azure on Dec 27, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

A: why is that dumb and unrealistic? As deadlines approach these guys don’t leave their phones to pee.

B: How would the story benefited having Billy wait around 15 minutes for the GM to call him back?

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 27, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

a) Because GMs can’t just snap their fingers and get someone on the phone. It’s possible, but to get, what, three different guys on the phone within seconds? Realistically one of them would be tough to reach, or he’d have to leave a message.

b) They could have milked the drama, I guess. I don’t know. Just didn’t like the way it played out.

by silverwidow on Dec 27, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

The first TBLA Skit will be about deadline deals and juggling five GM’s on the phone and mistakenly calling Ned an idiot thinking he had Theo on the phone.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

you realize your complaint is that it’s not a documentary

by Josie Becker on Dec 27, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Crazy Eddie had no problem doing this

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I also thought Billy’s ex’s new man was weird as fuck.

by silverwidow on Dec 27, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

funny I just got back from the movie

and although overall i was expecting more I really liked that scene

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by nolander on Dec 27, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Finally hit the $1 theatre?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

2 dollar theater

but since its Tuesday it was a buck!

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by nolander on Dec 27, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

does that include a hand job from the homeless guy?

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 27, 2011 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Its irvine

there are no homeless guys.

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by nolander on Dec 27, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I love that movie theater.

And the thing to do in Irvine is to go to the message parlor for a ‘back rub’. Or so I have been told. Apparently Irvine is one of the hotbeds for it.

by Tripon on Dec 27, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I almost went to see it

but saw Hugo instead

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by Pure Azure on Dec 27, 2011 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Same Tuesday deal here in Victorville at the discount Cinemark, but the regular price skyrockets to $1.50. They used to have a Monday deal that if you bought three or more tickets they were 75 cents each; not sure if it still exists.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 27, 2011 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

exactly – it had nice pacing

don’t let details fuck with the narrative, you get dry stories that way

same way with overmixed meatballs by the way

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 27, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

yes

it came off too much like “scouts are dumb numbers rule” but was a well made movie.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Dec 27, 2011 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

The scouts in that movie were dumb as fuck though.

by Tripon on Dec 27, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

well yeah

but the whole movie sounded like “fuck scouting its useless”. At no point is there even a “scouting is useful in some vague places and numbers are useful in other vague places”, just STFU SCOUTS I KNOW WHAT I’M DOING.

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by nolander on Dec 27, 2011 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

Those characters were a bit over the top but like you I really enjoyed the movie as a whole.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 27, 2011 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

You don’t need a scout to know how that steroids are good for your team.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Which is fine from a story telling perspective because it at least puts a face on the “antagonist” of the movie.

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by regfairfield on Dec 27, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Moneyball the movie wasn’t even about baseball. The focus were never really on the players on the field. Its a struggle of one man trying to prove that he’s worth something.

by Tripon on Dec 27, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

This is my problem with Sorkin "true stories" and I know phil hates my opinion on it

but if you are adapting a book or telling a “true” story, Giving the full picture is important to me personally.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Dec 27, 2011 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

What are you talking about, we are in agreement. I love how Sorkin makes a movie, I hate how he bastardizes the story to suit his movie.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

hm

if only the sbnation search engine worked we could get to the bottom of this. I seem to have paul branded you

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by nolander on Dec 27, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

yes I mixed you and david young up

I surrender

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by nolander on Dec 27, 2011 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

You mixed up a cranky, crotchety, cantankerous, callous, contemptible, old fuck with a smooth operator. What are you, from Irvine?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

There's an easy solution to this

1. Google.com
2. Type in your search terms
3. Add: “site:truebluela.com” without the quotes
4. ???
5. Profit.

@TElciram

by Taylor Maricle on Dec 27, 2011 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Gracias

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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Why did Chad stop throwing his slider?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 2:49 PM PST reply actions  

Because it hurts to throw it?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I think, like his cutter

Chad wanted to use his change more and more. He needs to mix all them pitches properly

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 27, 2011 3:24 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Chad’s a good kid, when not slipping on ice….he has good potential at age 27 and an affordable contract….and a big ass…anything else?

by megaballs on Dec 27, 2011 3:22 PM PST reply actions  

he doesn’t have the look

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 27, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Ponzi scheme

Fans like to laud the Packers ownership model as the ultimate ideal, but I think it is just a fancy Ponzi scheme that allows the board of directors to run that team without actually paying for it

has anyone taken the time to really look at the terms and conditions to own packers stock? You are really just buying a piece of paper….

no wonder they are releasing another 30K shares

someone is a genius

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 27, 2011 3:23 PM PST reply actions  

It worked so well the Mets are doing it.

Just charging 20 million a share.

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by regfairfield on Dec 27, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Have you? It is brilliant

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I took the time and think it is an ideal perpetuated on fools by fools for fools

though to be fair, without it, why have a team in Green Bay at all? There is no there, there. (sorry Trudy)

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 27, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Rooney is an asshat

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

If you are going to disparage my ancestors for being the greatest fans in all sports, then fuck Rooney and Steelers he rode in on.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Jesus H Christ, someone needs his depends checked

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 27, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

she was great in that movie!

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 27, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t even get why you bring a soccer player into this discussion

Wayne Rooney is English (I think) so that kinda makes him an asshat, but to say so unprovoked is beyond me

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 27, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

the entire economy is a Ponzi scheme

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 27, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

perpetuated on fools by fools for fools

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 27, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Herbalife is a Ponzi scheme. Advocare is a Ponzi scheme. And they sponsors sports teams/events

by Josie Becker on Dec 27, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

at the top of every Ponzi scheme is the ultimate king of the hill, laughing, laughing, laughing

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

that is a blasphemous rumor

I think that Phil has a sick sense of humor

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 27, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve been waiting 30 years to start the next So Cal Ponzi scheme. Want in? The newbies will never know what him. Think of the parties

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

So you’re saying that the Packers stole the plot of the Producers….

Brilliant!

by Tripon on Dec 27, 2011 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Other then the fact the fine folks of Green Bay and all of Wisconsin created the plot before Mel Brooks was born. Yes

Based on the original “Articles of Incorporation for the (then) Green Bay Football Corporation” put into place in 1923, if the Packers franchise were to have been sold, after the payment of all expenses, any remaining money would go to the Sullivan Post of the American Legion in order to build “a proper soldier’s memorial.” This stipulation was enacted to ensure the club remained in Green Bay and that there could never be any financial enhancement for the shareholders. At the November 1997 annual meeting, shareholders voted to change the beneficiary from the Sullivan-Wallen Post to the Green Bay Packers Foundation, which makes donations to many charities and institutions throughout Wisconsin.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I watched the original Producers on netflix a couple of months ago. If you told me that Mel Brooks directed that movie, I would have called you a liar. Nothing like Blazing Saddles or Robin Hood: Men in Tights.

by Tripon on Dec 27, 2011 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Is there truly any movie that is like both Blazing Saddles and Robin Hood: Men In Tights?

by Eric Stephen on Dec 27, 2011 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

the Hitler

Jokes are a dead giveaway that it is a Mel Brooks movie

by bhsportsguy on Dec 27, 2011 6:46 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Always loved Zero Mostel, though.

by jim hitchcock (railway) on Dec 27, 2011 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought the Producers was very much a Mel Brooks movie.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I was a late comer to The Producers, but it is so great. I grew up a huge Blazing Saddles fan, but The Producers is probably his best. Maybe High Anxiety, which I have only seen once.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 27, 2011 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

High Anxiety does not get enough credit.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I need to sit down and watch High Anxiety again and then Bananas (which I have not seen all the way through) in one long comedy sitting.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 27, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay

Who was one of the two thugs on the bus hassling Woody after the porn shop?

by jim hitchcock (railway) on Dec 27, 2011 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Rocky happened 5 years later.

by jim hitchcock (railway) on Dec 27, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Burt Young played a thug?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I had never seen High Anxiety before

…until 1987. I was laid up after surgery in the Mammoth Lakes Centinela Hospital. I had surgery for a blocked intestine, and had to stay in the hospital for another eight days after surgery because I was fighting an infection. The doc told me that the three things that would hurt the most were laughing, coughing, and sneezing. Fortunately, I never caught cold or had any allergies, and I had managed not to laugh for several days.

One day later, I was clicking through the channels and noticed Mel Brooks sitting down on a bench. I had known that High Anxiety was a spoof of Hitchcock films, and as soon as I saw the first bird land on the wire, I started laughing because I had a feeling about what was coming next (having seen The Birds, and knowing Mel Brooks)….soon enough, more and more birds showed up, did their thing, and I was laughing so hard that I was crying from the both the pain and the laughter. A couple days later, after my infection was finished and having received encouragement to fart from every nurse and doctor who’d seen me, I finally cut loose with a sizzler and they let me out :)

by The Dude Abides on Dec 28, 2011 1:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I may be low brow, but Top Secret still cracks me up. Surf Nazi’s exploding Pinto’s, and the important life lesson never to be the tail gunner in a cow suit.

by jim hitchcock (railway) on Dec 27, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Hate that I'm late to the Mel Brooks convo

Blazing Saddles was brilliant. One of the best takes on Western Mythology ever. To Be or Not to Be was also very good (as was the original). The Producers, High Anxiety, Young Frankenstien…and I have a special place for Space Balls as I saw it as a kid and thought it was the best movie ever….

I guess I have nothing to add other than the fact that I love Mel Brooks

by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 28, 2011 7:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Young Frankenstein is so good. Error by me for not mentioning it yesterday.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I gotta go

getting my eyes checked

I went 0 for my last 16 at bats this season and I am looking for a bailout excuse before my new season starts in January

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 27, 2011 3:40 PM PST reply actions  

Hope you can spell Mientkiewicz

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 27, 2011 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

did you guys know

Tom Seaver has his own vineyard and wine label?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 27, 2011 3:46 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

Just another USC HOF

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah...

Seaver Beaver River Cabernet!

by jim hitchcock (railway) on Dec 27, 2011 3:49 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

moneyball! and the greek god of walks and phil

I’m not sure how accurate the timeline of the movie is(or any of the movie since it was a sorkin script), but if Youks was drafted in 2001, and “moneyball” was implemented after the 2001 season, doesn’t it then make sense as to why Beane didn’t draft youks in 2001? Or is the timeline of the movie completely bullshit

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Dec 27, 2011 3:47 PM PST reply actions  

The biggest inaccuracy is that DePo didn’t bring saber stuff to the A’s, Sandy Alderson did years before.

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by regfairfield on Dec 27, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I figured something like that was the case

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by nolander on Dec 27, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

What reg said, but more directly to your point the 2001 draft was in June, while the season was still going on. The “Moneyball draft” was June 2002.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 27, 2011 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

What is the big deal?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

This owns

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Rubio doesn’t even rent

by Eric Stephen on Dec 27, 2011 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

This reminds me

I could really go for some $1.50 fish tacos from Rubios.

by silverwidow on Dec 27, 2011 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn, that does sound good right now.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 27, 2011 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

If you were scouting an NBA center/power forward who was 6’10. Would you rather he have large soft hands, or an extremely long reach compared to his peers?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 4:10 PM PST reply actions  

Soft hands.

I know Shawn Bradley was like 7’7" but had ridic reach. Didn’t he suck ass?

by silverwidow on Dec 27, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Shawn Bradley was just slow as fuck. Despite him being 7’7", it was just way to easy to get pass him.

by Tripon on Dec 27, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Gotta be the big soft mitts. If only Elden Campbell possessed such hands.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 27, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Watching the replay of the Chris Paul tonight show gig, I couldn’t keep my eyes off his hands.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah, the funny part was with Jonah Hill before Paul came out.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

That video is in there somewhere; I didn’t watch that part yet though

by Eric Stephen on Dec 27, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

2084 Summer Olympics

Do you think they’ll do the 100th anniversary here in L.A.?

by silverwidow on Dec 27, 2011 4:23 PM PST reply actions  

People in 2084 are going to wonder (a) what the hell are “Olympics”?; and (b) will Jamie Moyer ever retire?

by Eric Stephen on Dec 27, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

People in 2084 are going to wonder on TBLA

FTFY

by silverwidow on Dec 27, 2011 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Blade Runner Olympics

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

No shit? Androids will be legal by then?

by jim hitchcock (railway) on Dec 27, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks to President Nolander, they will be the only phones allowed

by Eric Stephen on Dec 27, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Brilliant

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Lastings Milledge

Has signed with the Yakult Swallows

by silverwidow on Dec 27, 2011 4:30 PM PST reply actions  

somewhere a blow job joke rears it’s head but it will take a Kavula to iron it out

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I was just about to comment, “If only Humma were here…”

by Eric Stephen on Dec 27, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

If Yakult Swallows, Lastings won’t.

Best I can do while the baby is fussy.

Still chasing the dream of mediocrity

by Humma Kavula on Dec 27, 2011 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Stupid fucking Humma impersonation

Know my name as Jubal Lee
Come and join my confederacy
We’ll pool our dollars
And buy the Dodgers
And live life happily

by jim hitchcock (railway) on Dec 27, 2011 4:36 PM PST reply actions  

What would an interview with Kevin Brown interviewing Barry Bonds be like?

by silverwidow on Dec 27, 2011 4:36 PM PST reply actions  

The opposite of compelling.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 27, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know

I’d rather see Brown take the mound against Bonds, though.

@TElciram

by Taylor Maricle on Dec 27, 2011 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Apparently Bernie Williams played the national anthem on his guitar tonight in New Jersey before Nets/Hawks. Per John Hollinger:

Big ovation for Bernie Williams after he plays national anthem on a guitar and only misses five or six notes.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 27, 2011 4:40 PM PST reply actions  

Obviously could have used Jimi Hendix’s Fuzz Face.

by jim hitchcock (railway) on Dec 27, 2011 4:41 PM PST reply actions  

“Girl from the North Country” is a lost classic Dylan song that I wouldn’t have known without getting Freewheelin. Beautiful strings and lyrics.

by silverwidow on Dec 27, 2011 4:48 PM PST reply actions  

I'm going to put together a Top 10

once I’m comfortable with his work. “She Belongs to Me” is another fantastic one that’s fresh to my ears.

by silverwidow on Dec 27, 2011 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Love that one, and two tracks later, “Love Minus Zero / No Limit” is so, so great.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 27, 2011 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

sigh

Bob Costas gives the “When in doubt, keep’em out” line as his reason not to vote for Bagwell for HOF

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 27, 2011 4:54 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

Sign needed

You must be this tall to vote for the Hall of Fame

by Eric Stephen on Dec 27, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

If you’re in doubt of the best (inactive) first baseman in NL history you want the Hall of Willie Mays.

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by regfairfield on Dec 27, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Which I guess makes sense since Joe Pos’ Hall of Willie Mays column was inspired by Costas.

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by regfairfield on Dec 27, 2011 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Dear Mister Costas,

Go F&*K yourself.
That is all.

by Grimjack on Dec 27, 2011 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

so is Arod out in his mind?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 27, 2011 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

he also gave the nod to

Jack Morris

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 27, 2011 5:03 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I wonder how long Costas would last on Twitter before he calls someone’s Mom.

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by regfairfield on Dec 27, 2011 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

i laughed at this (emphasis mine)
Boras told Bruce Levine of ESPNChicago.com that there’s no chance Fielder would prefer a short-term deal. “Not only is that inaccurate and delusional, but it seems that some people have gotten into their New Year’s Eve stash just a little bit early this year,” he said. At least six teams appear to be interested in Fielder, Levine writes. “It appears some baseball people are just bored,” Boras said. “That’s when you hear ideas like that floated.”

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 27, 2011 5:49 PM PST reply actions  

Link to the article

I think this Levine guy is the ONLY one saying the Dodgers are in the running. What is he hearing?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 27, 2011 5:51 PM PST reply actions  

That Frank McCourt will transfer the parking lot rights to Prince Fielder?

by Tripon on Dec 27, 2011 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

creative

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 27, 2011 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

So I get to meet Josie tomorroW

So one more person I know actually exists on this board the rest of you are still minotaurs until we meet :)

"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre

by JLS23 on Dec 27, 2011 7:42 PM PST reply actions  

well according to 4down

i’m a cyborg

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 27, 2011 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Until it's proven otherwise :P

TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion

by Ivdown on Dec 28, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Steven Cohen, a billionaire eight times over, is bidding for the Dodgers in a process tilted toward the high bidder.

However, the East Coast hedge-fund executive is not content to let his wealth speak for itself. He has engaged one of America’s notable sports architecture firms to propose renovations to Dodger Stadium, allied himself with one of baseball’s power brokers, secured the support of at least two prominent Angelenos and met with several major league owners.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-1228-dodgers-steve-cohen-20111228,0,6862832.story

by Tripon on Dec 27, 2011 9:41 PM PST reply actions  

dis guy

done some work

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 27, 2011 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Was just reading that. Such a handsome fella! :-/

But who cares, the dude is loaded and sounds organized.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Dec 27, 2011 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

He is a piece of scum

who was at the forefront of heavy pressure on the FDA in 2007 (after the advisory committee of experts voted 13-4 to recommend approval) to get the agency to reject approval of a life-saving drug because his hedge fund’s short position was in the tens of millions of dollars. This effort led to the FDA rejecting a drug in a terminal indication for the first time in its history after an advisory panel had recommended approval (60 out of 60 became 60 out of 61). The drug was approved two years later, but thousands died in the ensuing two years who otherwise would have survived if the drug had been approved. Fortunately for Stevie, his fund was saved from huge losses, and he covered his short in the single digits, went long on the stock, and made huge money in 2009 when the stock was approved and went above $50 per share.

If this piece of slime buys the Dodgers, I will become an Angel fan. He is one of the worst people on the planet.

by The Dude Abides on Dec 28, 2011 1:28 AM PST up reply actions  

ugh….

How many owners are not scum?

Not that I don’t draw lines either, just wondering…it’s an interesting discussion

by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 28, 2011 7:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Makes Frank and DTS look like Saints if this be true

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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 8:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Now I don’t kow the complete story behind this (outside of those at the FDA I doubt many do), but I do know that the FDA was playing it extremely safe in 2007 and only approved 16 new drugs that year. This was during a time when the FDA was under increased scrutiny due to major drugs like Vioxx having the problems it did.

Is it possible Cohen had some back room dealings with some people at the FDA to help line his own pockets? Sure, anything is possible.

Is it also possible that the FDA just wanted more research done (like they said at the time) because approved drugs like Vioxx had been pulled from the market after they approved it and there was a bunch of large lawsuits going around? I would say definitely so.

Believe me, with my health problems I hate most of the red tape and political maneuvering that has to happen for new drugs to be allowed. I’ve dealt with it a ton and been frustrated many a nights by it. I’m not sure I’m going to leap to saying Cohen is guilty of anything here though. Cohen, and his company SAC, have money invested in a lot of drugs that are either already approved by the FDA or are currently awaiting approval. That’s a big part of his business.

by VegasBlues on Dec 28, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

You don't play it safe with cancer treatments

where the indication that you’re treating is a terminal indication. Two Phase 3 trials had already shown a survival benefit vs placebo + standard of care at a time when no other drugs had shown a survival benefit in that indication. For cancer trials, survival is the gold standard, and the primary trial had 34% alive three yrs after treatment vs 11% in the control arm (p=0.01). The expert advisory panel voted 13-4 to recommend approval.

Up to that time, all 60 of the previous drugs where the FDA’s advisory panel had recommended approval had gotten approved. This was the first one that wasn’t. The hedgies with the short positions who pressured the FDA’s CBER branch were led by Cohen, Joseph Edelman, and Lindsay Rosenwald of D.H. Blair infamy. Some of these hedge funds also had long positions in the company’s competitors. The whole affair was very shady. Two years later, a third Phase 3 trial yet again showed a survival benefit, and the drug was approved one more year after that.

by The Dude Abides on Dec 30, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Also: Lakers finally joined the regular season tonight!

Now just need ’Druw back and they might be too bad after all.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Dec 27, 2011 9:59 PM PST reply actions  

yeah

i wasn’t gonna hit the panic button without Drew playing.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 27, 2011 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Utah is bad

… hope they are missing a few players for tonight’s game because that lineup is not good.

by Xeifrank on Dec 27, 2011 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Millsap didn’t start for them and probably will going forward but they aren’t as bad as you’re saying (or as bad as they looked tonight). Hayward and Favors are young so they’ll have their off nights. They should be pretty good in the long run though. If Harris can stay healthy he is a better than average (maybe better than that) point guard. They are weak at SG but once Millsap and Howard are a little healthier Hayward should get plenty of playing time at SG.

Basically, the best players on their team are either young or a little banged up right now. Their starting lineup should basically be the same though minus Bell and inserting in Millsap.

by VegasBlues on Dec 27, 2011 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, I didn’t even mention Kanter. He was the 3rd pick in the last draft and has the skills to be a really good big man. We’ll see how he develops.

The Jazz are building for the future though with Kanter, Favors, and Hayward. If they end up having another bad season they could line themselves up for a high draft pick in what will be a deep draft. If they can turn that into a good SG or PG then they will be dangerous for years to come.

by VegasBlues on Dec 27, 2011 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

in other words… they are a bad team. :)

by Xeifrank on Dec 27, 2011 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I like what Utah is doing, they just aren’t there yet. They need to stop playing Jefferson at center, and probably trade Milsap for Guard help.

by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 28, 2011 8:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Next time I drive through Eric's

Neighborhood, I have to pick a better time than Christmas morning and 11:30 p.m.

by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2011 1:26 AM PST reply actions  

Great times for avoiding traffic though.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate airports

That is all

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Dec 28, 2011 7:44 AM PST reply actions  

Nats sign Mark DeRosa to a one year deal.

Please let something more interesting than this happen soon.

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 8:58 AM PST reply actions  

Airports are basically crowded Jr High School halls with many extra hall monitors.

by jim hitchcock (railway) on Dec 28, 2011 8:58 AM PST reply actions  

NPUT

http://www.truebluela.com/2011/12/28/2665983/james-loney-2011-community-projection-review

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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 8:59 AM PST reply actions  

That’ll do.

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

pig

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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

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