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Dodgers 2012 Minor League Countdown: 170 - 161

Here is the next part of my Dodger prospect countdown, and my final post of 2011. Even though we are still towards the beginning of my rankings, there are already some interesting names starting to appear on my list. From here on out the players should become familiar as we get closer to the top prospects in the Dodgers minor league system.

170. Robert Purpura, RHP (12 IP in Pioneer Rookie Lg, 10.1 IP in Arz Rookie Lg in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers in July 2011 as a non drafted free agent
6’0”, 185 lbs, 25 years old
2-1, 3.63 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, 4.81 FIP, 8.87 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A

Robert Purpura was one of several non drafted free agents signed by the Dodgers this past July. The southern California native had just finished his college career at Vanguard, a small Christian college in Costa Mesa, where he graduated with a degree in Kinesiology. Nicknamed “Paps” by his teammates, Robert was both a starter and reliever for the Lions in 2011 and he posted a 3.35 ERA over 51 innings while accumulating 50 strikeouts. While I don’t know much about his pitches, a recent college opponent said that “Purpura is a really good pitcher, and he had a really good fastball and slider.” After signing with the Dodgers, Purpura was sent to the Arizona Rookie League where he spent the first month of his professional career and allowed just 5 hits over 10.1 innings. That earned him a promotion to Ogden where his fortunes changed as he had a 6.75 ERA in 12 innings despite being one of the older players in the league. That age factor will also haunt him going forward as Purpura is now almost 25, so he is probably too old to ever have an impact in the Dodgers organization. He’ll probably spend 2012 in the Loons bullpen as a middle reliever.

169. Webster Rivas, 1B/C (55 games in DSL in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 5/29/09
6’0”, 195 lbs, 21.5 years old, bats right handed
.279 average, .751 OPS, 2 HR’s, 23 RBI’s, 0 SB’s
Pre 2011 Rank: 179, Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A

After an uninspiring professional debut in 2010, Rivas showed solid improvement in his sophomore season with the Dominican Dodgers both at the plate and behind the dish. A year after hitting .246 with a .662 OPS, Webster increased those numbers to .279 and .751. He also showed a great eye, walking almost as much as he struck out. In terms of defense, Rivas spent most of 2010 at 1st base, but this past year he was the Dodgers primary catcher and threw out almost 50% of would be base-stealers. He seems like a prime candidate to move to the Arizona Rookie League in 2012, although he’s still a long ways off from being considered a legitimate prospect.

Follow the jump for #'s 168 - 161

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168. Robert Chamra, RHP (20.2 IP in Arz Rookie Lg in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2011, 34th round
6’4”, 225 lbs, 24 years old
3-0, 3.92 ERA, 1.69 WHIP, 5.67 FIP, 6.53 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A

The 34th round pick of the 2011 draft, Robert Chamra signed quickly with the Dodgers and joined the Arizona Rookie League in mid June. The tall right hander had a mediocre professional debut, allowing 13 walks in 20 innings while striking out just 15. Going back to his college days, Charma started his schooling at Temple, but transferred to North Carolina State after his sophomore season. With the Wolfpack in 2011 Robert posted a team high 8 wins, but only struck out 39 batters in 68.1 innings. Here is a video of his throwing warm up pitches in college. I don’t really think the big right-hander has much potential, but hopefully he’s able to prove me wrong with a successful campaign in 2012.

167. Beau Brett, 1B (18 games in Arz Rookie Lg in 2011)

Drafted by Dodgers 2010, 35th round
6’3”, 185 lbs, 22.5 years old, bats left handed
.160 average, .483 OPS, 0 HR’s, 2 RBI’s, 1 SB
Pre 2011 Rank: 106; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A

Back in 2010, Beau Brett was a draft eligible sophomore at USC who had accumulated only had 44 at bats over two seasons with the Trojans and had never collected an extra base hit in his college career. Nevertheless the Dodgers selected Brett in the 35th round of the 2010 draft, and he surprisingly signed with the club. From what I can tell, the only reason the Dodgers even drafted Beau was because of his baseball bloodlines, with his most famous relative being his uncle George Brett. Upon signing, Beau was placed the Arizona Rookie League but had an ugly professional debut. In 2011 the Dodgers sent Brett back to Arizona, and sadly he was even worse in his sophomore season. The lefty batted just .160 with just 8 hits in 50 at bats, and had an OPS of just .483. As a 1st baseman, that just isn’t going to cut it. Heading into 2012, I’m not sure if the Dodgers will even keep Brett around because he clearly doesn’t have much value. If the Dodgers do grant him another season, I’m guessing he’ll get a chance to play in the Pioneer League to see if a change in environment can jump-start his career.

166. Chance Gilmore, LHP (17.1 IP in Arz Rooke Lg in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2010, 25th round
5’11”, 187 lbs, 25 years old
2-0, 5.19 ERA, 1.56 WHIP, 4.30 FIP, 9.35 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: 149; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A

Jeremy “Chance” Gilmore was drafted in 2010 out of Coastal Carolina, where his dad Gary was the head coach. Chance had a solid season as a junior in 2009, and then really made his dad proud in 2010 as he hit .341 with 12 homers and 54 RBI’s and helped his team reach the super regionals in the NCAA baseball tournament. Gilmore signed with the Dodgers quickly in 2010, but struggled in rookie ball despite being 23 years old. Therefore Gilmore was converted from outfielder to pitcher in 2011 and again spent the season in the Arizona Rookie League, this time as a left handed reliever. While Chance had pitched in high school, he didn’t throw at all in college so as expected he was a bit wild. In 17.1 innings he walked 13 batters, but at times he was effectively wild as he struck out more than a batter per frame. Looking towards the future, the biggest thing working against Gilmore is his age as he’ll be 25 years old when the 2012 season starts. He’ll probably get a chance to pitch in a full season league, but beyond that I doubt he has much of a future with the Dodger organization.

165. Simon Binns, RHP (7.1 IP in DSL in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers before 2011 season
6’3”, 170 lbs, 18.75 years old
0-0, 9.82 ERA, 2.59 WHIP, 6.47 FIP, 11.05 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A

The Dodgers signed Simon Binns out of Panama when he was just 17 years old, and he made his professional debut this past season in the DSL. He was used very sparingly, however, appearing in just 7 games that were spread evenly through the season. In those 7 games he was quite wild and hittable, but that was probably because he was getting such inconsistent playing time. The good news is that Binns has an excellent pitching frame and posted a strong strikeout rate, so hopefully that’s a sign of things to come. Given his age and lack of experience Simon will definitely return to the DSL in 2012 where I expect him to get much more playing time.

164. Daniel Carela, RHP (10.1 IP in HiA, 17.2 IP in Arz Rookie Lg in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers in 2011 as a minor league free agent
6’3”, 225 lbs, 24.5 years old
1-0, 5.46 ERA, 1.82 WHIP, 4.59 FIP, 7.39 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A

Daniel Carela, a native of New York, was originally signed by the Mets as a non drafted free agent in October of 2008. After a rocky professional debut in 2009, Carela put together a great season in 2010, posting a 1.82 ERA in the New York-Penn League over 24.2 innings and allowing a .188 batting average against. He’s a video of him that year. Despite his strong stats and a fastball that apparently reaches into the mid 90’s, Daniel was released by the Mets during their 2011 spring training. He was signed by the Dodgers in May of this past year, and was sent to Rancho Cucamonga after a brief tune-up in the Arizona Rookie League. Carela was used sparingly with the Quakes while allowing 12 runs (5 earned) in just 10.1 innings, then ended the season by getting rocked back in the Arizona Rookie League thanks to his inability to find the plate. As mentioned above he has a great fastball when he can find the plate, but his offspeed stuff is not very good so the 24 year old probably doesn’t have much of a future unless he masters a secondary offering.

163. Jonathan Linares, C (7 games in DSL in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers before 2011 season
6’0”, 160 lbs, 18.75 years old, bats right handed
.300 average, .891 OPS, 0 HR’s, 3 RBI’s, 1 SB
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A

A Venezuela native, Jonathan Linares was signed by the Dodgers before the 2011 season and made his professional debut in the DSL as an 18 year old. The catcher played 7 games in June, but then for whatever reason was shut down for the remainder of the season. The good news is that in those 7 games, Linares collected 4 doubles in 20 at bats and only struck out twice. He was also perfect defensively, and threw out 3 of 8 would be base stealers. Hopefully Jonathan will be at full health in 2012 so he can get some more experience with the Dominican Dodgers. I know it’s way too early to tell, but a strong campaign next year could make him a candidate to move to a US based league in 2013.

162. Greg Downing, LHP (23.0 IP in Arz. Rookie League in 2011)
Drafted by Dodgers 2011, 47th round
5’10”, 175 lbs, 21.25 years old
2-0, 5.48 ERA, 1.70 WHIP, 5.20 FIP, 9.39 K/9
Pre 2011 Rank: N/A; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A

Greg Downing was a stud in high school, setting a New York City record with 108 strikeouts in 53 innings as a senior. Despite his strong stats he didn’t get much love from scouts due to his small size and violent pitching motion, so he decided to attend Monroe Community College. After two years at the community college, Downing transferred to Division III Franklin Pierce University where he ranked 13th nationally with his K/9 of 11.27 in 2011. He also smoothed out his pitching motion and had a solid 2.30 ERA though 74.1 innings. Upon getting drafted by the Dodgers he said “I'm still shocked. I knew I had a shot to get picked, but wasn't 100-percent sure it was going to happen. I really need to thank Coach [Jayson] King and Franklin Pierce for getting me exposure to MLB scouts, and I need to give credit to my father, who passed away when I was 10 years old, for teaching me to love the game of baseball." Downing signed quickly, and continued to post strong strikeout numbers in his professional debut. His other stats weren’t so good, however, including his batting average against of .302. Here is a video of him pitching with the Arizona Dodgers. Given his size, I’m guessing that the Dodgers will continue to use Downing in relief, and he’ll spend 2012 in the Ogden Raptors' bullpen.

161. Leo Rodriguez, SS/2B (63 games in DSL in 2011)
Signed by Dodgers 6/1/09
5’11”, 160 lbs, 20.25 years old, bats right handed
.278 average, .688 OPS, 1 HR’s, 22 RBI’s, 6 SB’s
Pre 2011 Rank: 154; Pre 2010 Rank: N/A; Pre 2009 Rank: N/A

2011 was Rodriguez’s second season in the DSL, and while his stats look pretty similar to 2010 he actually showed solid improvement year over year. The most important development in Leo’s career is his defense, as he spent most of 2011 at the premium position of shortstop after playing mostly 2nd base in 2010. He held his own up the middle, and also showed his versatility by playing a little 3rd base as well. At the plate, Rodriguez’s average and OPS were almost the exact same as in 2010, but his ISO (Isolated Power) increased a bit and he also walked almost as much as he struck out (which was just 9.6% of the time). Given his youth, defensive capabilities, and experience, I expect Rodriguez to move to the Arizona Rookie League in 2012 where he should get a chance to prove himself against more advanced competition.

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Maybe a Latino Ryan Gosling

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 28, 2011 2:08 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

6’0 160 sounds like Dee

by G.Scott on Dec 29, 2011 8:35 AM PST up reply actions  

you know, if Dee put on 10 pounds.

by G.Scott on Dec 29, 2011 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

GARY

Long time – when we throwing, hitting, and the rest?

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Whenever you’re free. I’ve been mostly recluse because it’s free.

by G.Scott on Dec 29, 2011 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ve been mostly a recluse because of travel

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

i believe i have plans tomorrow, but if you’re in town we could play catch tomorrow afternoon, unless you’re doing party planning/prepping or something

by G.Scott on Dec 29, 2011 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

afternoon might be hard due to work, but if it frees up, that would be best for me

Sat AM?

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

That works for me. Let me know where and when.

by G.Scott on Dec 29, 2011 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Somewhere a Rays intern is very bored

@MLBInsideNews Breaking: Sources tell me that Evan Longoria would welcome a trade. He is disgruntled by the #Rays situation, and unwillingness to spend.

The best part is the guy is actually defending himself when people are calling him a complete liar.

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 1:40 PM PST reply actions  

confused

The guy who broke the story is defending himself?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2011 1:42 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Yes, people are rightfully calling him out on this BS and he’s going with “no I swear its true guys”

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

hahaha

If it was true, I don’t think I could say “GIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” loud enough.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2011 1:46 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I think we'd have a better chance of signing Fielder

then voiding Pujols’ contract and signing him too :)

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by Ivdown on Dec 28, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Andrew Bailey traded to Boston
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
The Red Sox have acquired Andrew Bailey from Oakland… Details to come.
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Josh Reddick goes to Oakland as part of this deal.

by silverwidow on Dec 28, 2011 1:44 PM PST reply actions  

Excuse my ignorance, is Reddick supposed be any good?

by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

He could be solid.

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

If that’s the best piece the A’s got they should feel bad.

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Note: the Red Sox probably don’t have anyone better.

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Well it leaves a hole in their future corner outfield, right?

by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

teams with $180mil payrolls don’t really have “holes” or “future” players. They develop players for this very purpose.

by G.Scott on Dec 28, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe this year, but money solves a lot.

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

he’s also got like 4 years of team control left.

by G.Scott on Dec 28, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

but he is a reliever

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

true enough, but his K/9 is high and his BB/9 is low and from a reliever, that’s perfect. Plus, have to remember this isn’t “oh noes we gave Matt Guerrier $4mil per year we’re broke!” this is a team with resources and a bullpen with holes. It’s a good trade for them.

by G.Scott on Dec 28, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I would be worried about how high Bailey’s x-FIP is compared to everything else moving from Oakland to Boston.

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not saying its not good for Boston

but I don’t see it as a huge loss for Oakland to get a starting position player for a reliever. This was before i knew they had sent a position player to Boston along with Bailey.

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m assuming the A’s are just dumping Sweeney because he kind of sucks and is going to get more expensive.

by BFDC on Dec 28, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

He’s got a glove so he’s not terrible. You can put him in right field for Boston and instantly improve on what they got last year from the position (.233/ .299/.353)

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Sweeney, his defense is pretty damn good

by NotJoeTorre on Dec 28, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

he's not.

trading for relievers seems to be a generally bad idea. just like signing them. in fact, it seems more and more that relievers are just wrongly valued all the time.

of course, if the sox didnt really give up that much, then this deal isnt that bad.

by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

finally

Resolution on that front

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2011 1:50 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

More
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Ryan Sweeney to the Red Sox as part of the Bailey deal.

by silverwidow on Dec 28, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

So the A’s are back down to one outfielder?

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Billy Beane is operating like a drunk driver. Last year he was on the bumps on the left side of the lane with too many outfielders, this year he’s on the right side bumps with not enough outfielders.

by G.Scott on Dec 28, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Ned woke up and was very agitated.

by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 28, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

The A’s depth chart used to have Ryan Sweeney starting in all three outfield positions. Now I guess it’s Reddick starting in both corners.

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Reddick, Taylor, Cowgill

per MLB Depth Charts (which is one of my favorite sites). Of course things could easily change.

by Xeifrank on Dec 28, 2011 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess they’re gonna use Michael Choice next year.

by silverwidow on Dec 28, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Taylor you mean? No way they promote Choice from A ball.

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Oakland also gets Miles Head, 20-year-old 3B, and Raul Alcantera, 19-year-old pitcher.

by silverwidow on Dec 28, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Miles Head

such…joke…potential…

by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Miles of Head before we sleep...

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Dec 29, 2011 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

21 and 23 in Sickels list.

So they traded Bailey and Sweeney for Reddick. That’s not so good.

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

What were the contracts of the players involved?

by Xeifrank on Dec 28, 2011 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Don’t know why they did it now, the reliever market its saturated. I thought they would wait til the deadline when someone would likely overpay.

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 28, 2011 2:16 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Anyone else get the MLBTR texts?

Anyone else surprised by what they choose to text about and what they don’t?

by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I have the app

I have it set up that I get every update. Is that what you’re talking about?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2011 2:24 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

naw

there’s a new text service. ive gotten texts about things like reed johnson and mark derosa but nothing about andrew bailey or yu darvish

by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

what a bad deal for the A’s

Reddick is a 4th OF and they got some scrubs

by NotJoeTorre on Dec 28, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Hearing that a lot about Reddick, I probably overestimated him.

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Love his swing but his approach is fucked. My first year in Lancaster had a lot RS hype position players on it. Lars Anderson, Reddick, Exposito, not really convinced Kalish is any good, and Chih-Hsien Chiang( the other guy Seattle got for Bedard, worst defender i’ve seen in my life. no hyperbole)

by NotJoeTorre on Dec 28, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I know who is finishing last in the AL West.

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 28, 2011 2:25 PM PST via Android app reply actions  

my preliminary simulation

of the 2012 season has….

Athletics winning 72.1 games
Mariners winning 71.7 games

Both teams are bad. Probably even worse than the Utah Jazz?

by Xeifrank on Dec 28, 2011 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Raja Bell can’t hit right-handers.

by fbihop on Dec 28, 2011 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Isn’t Kobe right-handed?

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 28, 2011 9:59 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I would take Parker over Cahill next season

by NotJoeTorre on Dec 28, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Well right now

3B Sizemore
2B Weeks
1B Barton? Allen?
DH Allen? Kaihuhe?
C Suzuki
RF Reddick
CF Cowgill?
LF Apparently theres a guy named Jermaine Mitchell? Michael Taylor?
SS Pennington

Anderson
McCarthy
Braden
Moscoso
Outman

Honestly might swap that rotation for the Dodgers right now, but man that lineup.

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

That lineup is fucked

Coming from a Dodger fan, you know it’s bad.

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by Ivdown on Dec 28, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldnt trade those rotations. I know our 4/5 are questionable, but kershaw is so dominant and anderson is coming off of TJ so i think the dodgers definitely have the edge

by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow

Cheetah the chimp from Tarzan just died. Est. age 80.

One article said he spent his last few years watching football on TV.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/8980258/Cheetah-the-chimpanzee-Tarzan-film-star-dies-aged-80.html

by jim hitchcock (railway) on Dec 28, 2011 2:29 PM PST reply actions  

Wow, 80 year old chimps. Who knew

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Bet he was a Packer fan

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Only old chimps fall for Ponzi schemes.

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 28, 2011 3:13 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I missed out on that conversation yesterday, but I just wanted to say that the Packers are not a Ponzi scheme. If you invest in their ownership, it’s pretty explicit that you shouldn’t expect any return.

by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

You’d think HJ would have known better.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

He’s just jealous cos he wants a piece of the Steelers.

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 28, 2011 3:47 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

so, not criminal

Just stupid

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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Dec 28, 2011 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

a ponzi scheme is investing money and expecting a ridiculous return. Packer fans from day one have known that when you invest in the Packers the goal was never to get a return but to keep the small market team in a small market city. Owning a piece of the Packers is about pride and nothing else.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Can we really call the Packers a small market team with a straight face?

small city sure, but come on, they seem to be doing just fine financially.

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

with revenue sharing

For the NFL, market size is not that big a deal though if you do have problems drawing fans, that is a major concern.

by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2011 3:20 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Green Bay is the 262nd largest city in the US behind

Billings, Montana and High Point, North Carolina. Yes, it is a small market.

by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Their market is the entire US

or have you missed all the Packer gear everywhere?

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I get it.

But you do understand the disadvantage a city like Green Bay has compared to, oh, say, Chicago or New York, right?

by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

When your city is basically a cult for a football team it throws a lot of the downsides out.

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

You guys seemed to have missed the 1970 – 1990 years

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

In the NFL? Nope, I don’t understand the disadvantages.

It’s an iconic franchise with a national following. This isn’t like the NBA or MLB where prospective free agents will only go to cities that are warm or near big cities. NFL players follow the money.

by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

OMG.

YES. I recognize that the Packers are successful. VERY successful. My point is this “iconic franchise” became iconic despite the automatic fan base of a larger city.

by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

so 60 years ago that was relevant

now though? Seems like not so much.

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

And when did the team become public?

by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

well, the point of the original comment was how a small market team (90 years ago) came up with plan for public ownership to make sure the team stayed in Green Bay.

Packer fans from day one have known that when you invest in the Packers the goal was never to get a return but to keep the small market team in a small market city

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn’t know we were cheerleading what the Packers did back in the 50s. I assumed your question, “But you do understand the disadvantage a city like Green Bay has compared to, oh, say, Chicago or New York, right?” meant now, not decades ago.

by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Then maybe you have been cherrypicking the comments

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s fine. I know we had a similar conversation weeks ago and Green Bay was called (actively) a small market team. Nolander and I disagreed.

If this is a historical discussion, I have no disagreements.

by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not cheerleading anything. My point is that the Packers are a small market team. Plain and simple. 262nd largest population in the US.

by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

but Milwaukee is so big, and don’t forget Appleton

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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

and ignore all their fans all over the country

ok

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

we're talking in circles.

“Packer fans from day one have known that when you invest in the Packers the goal was never to get a return but to keep the small market team in a small market city”

by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

no you keep changing whether we are talking about in the past or the present

in the past yes they where, in the current they are not.

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

NFL has the biggest majority of bandwagons, yeah?

I’ve seen a steady transition of Steeler gear turning into Rodgers jerseys

by NotJoeTorre on Dec 28, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

NFL seems to have a more fans of a single player

then MLB, but still less then NBA, but I could be talking out of my ass.

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

So you guys do think they are still a small market team.

I think we need to define small market. I completely agree with nolander that they can’t fit inside a box defining regional markets since they have a national following.

If that even matters in the NFL (not sure it does, hard salary cap, revenue sharing, etc.)

by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I honestly don't really care anymore.

Public ownership kept that team in Green Bay. That’s why meercatjohn originally said. That’s what this entire conversation has been in relation to.

by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Like BH says it does matter when teams can't sell out their stadium

especially because of the stupid blackout rules.

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

and I doubt they are filling that stadium from just green bay

people are driving from all over to see fill that stadium

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, it is Wisconsin’s team. Have you seen the population for the entire state?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes. And that’s kind of the point we’re making. The Packers have been extremely successful at building fan loyalty despite their small city.

by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

and my point is its not really relevant to refer to them as a small market team anymore

because their market is no longer small and hasn’t been for quite some time

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Ya, you have to count Milwaukee as the Packers home market as well.

by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha, Pasadena's bigger.

When i was a kid i used to make a custom team called the “Pasadena Panthers”

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by Taylor Maricle on Dec 28, 2011 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, because they have been around 90 years when the market was Wisconsin, going against NY, Chicago, and Detroit. That is when they came up with an original plan that has worked as well as any plan ever has.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

To think, all this arguing because of a chimp.

by G.Scott on Dec 28, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Cheetah would throw poop all over this discussion :)

by jim hitchcock (railway) on Dec 28, 2011 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Missed the UFC talk in the last thread...

I’ll say Overeem; Brock hasn’t fought since October 2010 AND underwent surgery in that time. Don’t think that he’s going to be up to par in his first fight back — and against someone as powerful as Overeem, that’s not good.

I want Lesnar to win because I am 100% convinced that Overeem is juicing.

But we will know about one minute in if Lesnar can get Overeem on his back and pound his face in. If he can’t… it will be a short night for Lesnar, most likely ending with him wondering how he’s looking up at the lights.

As for the rest of the card:

Diaz-Cerrone: This is going to be one hell of a fight. Two guys with nonstop motors and who are willing to go to war. I think Cerrone will win because he has heavier hands and can survive Diaz on the ground.

Fitch-Hendricks: I hope that their wrestling cancels out and it is a stand up fight, but I think we’ll see a classic Fitch grind-it-out kind of fight. No one has been able to stop Fitch except GSP and I don’t think that Hendricks is good enough yet.

Matyushenko-Gustafsson: Matyushenko has never been submitted, but I think Gustafsson changes that on Friday. If Gustafsson wins this one, he needs a step up in competition. Shogun maybe?

Phan-Hettis: I had to read up on Hettis, looks like he is a jiu-jitsu specialist with questionable striking. Meanwhile, Phan has really good striking and really good jiu-jitsu. Giving Phan the edge here even though he has never really impressed me.

by fbihop on Dec 28, 2011 2:33 PM PST reply actions  

You don't think Brock is juicing?

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

He’s at least been huge his whole life and isn’t actively avoiding drug tests.

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

With Brock, I don’t know. But Overeem pulling that stunt where he skipped out on the drug testing? Come on.

by fbihop on Dec 28, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Unless you think Reem is lying about him mother having cancer, I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.

by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

The whole way he handled it was shady. And he has only been tested twice now, including one that we won’t have the results of until after the fight.

by fbihop on Dec 28, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, I’m not disputing that his mom has cancer, but I am disputing that it was one assistant’s fault for not passing on that he has to do a drug test with the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

by fbihop on Dec 28, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I count at least four times. One urine test in Holland, one blood test in Holland (neither test accepted by NSAC), one urine test in London (tested clean) and one in Nevada (results not back yet.)

He handled the whole thing horribly, but that doesn’t mean he’s guilty. Like I said, considering the particularly unusual family situation which caused the testing issues, I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn’t submit a urine test in Holland, IIRC. And the blood test came like three days after the NSAC wanted him to test, which makes it virtually useless.

by fbihop on Dec 28, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Why do you say its useless three days after? Honest question. Are you suggesting that you can cycle steroids out of your blood within three days?

by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Or maybe he was already cycling out and only needed a few days more? When he found out he needed a drug test he went to a private doctor instead of calling the NSAC to see what to do?

It is all shady.

by fbihop on Dec 28, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t argue that it looks odd. I’m just comfortable believing that him and his handlers are all dumb.

Also, I think the private doctor thing is way overblown. It’s not like he got the blood test in Sudan. He did it in Holland which is a pretty advanced society where doctors aren’t generally going to risk their license by conspiring to defraud the Nevada athletic commision.

by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

>He did it in Holland which is a pretty advanced society where doctors aren’t generally going to risk their license by conspiring to defraud the Nevada athletic commision.

How often have doctors been busted for proscribing illegal drugs in the US? I don’t find it crazy to think he just paid the doc.

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve got my optimist hat on today.

Honestly, if there wasn’t his sick mother in Holland which caused him to leave the country, it’d be different for me. But I would just find using his sick mother as an excuse to leave the country in order to pay off a private physician so reprehensible that I can’t believe it.

by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Further, yes it looks shady. But your original post said you are 100% convinced he’s juicing. I’m not. I think there’s reasonable doubt all over this story.

by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

OK, 100% was hyperbole. But I would put money down on him juicing if I could.

by fbihop on Dec 28, 2011 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ll bet Brock was juicing more than Tropicana during harvest season when he was in WWE.

by silverwidow on Dec 28, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I doubt anyone can be that big of a monster (looks wise) without juice

Then again there probably are the rare select few who did it clean, but it’s hard to believe anymore.

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by Ivdown on Dec 28, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I think maybe it can happen

but takes superhuman effort and food intake to maintain. If its really possible at all.

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Brock almost died twice because he wouldn’t eat a carrot occasionally. He’s got the food thing down.

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

You mean if he misses a specific meal he almost dies

or he never eats that thing and almost died because of it

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

He got divercultis which is a disease you get by eating nothing but meat. It’s what put him out of action the first time.

He got it again like 9 months later.

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

ah I didn't know thats what caused that

I figured he had some sort of preexisting condition.

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I would call that a perfect example of someone with terrible nutrition

by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

This isn’t baseball during the early 2000s. These guys are tested for every fight.

by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Brock was randomly tested (along with Reem) a month ago and he passed.

by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think current juicing

But early on for him? Definitely.

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by Ivdown on Dec 28, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

But he’s basically the same size now.

by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

No surprise I could be wrong

He just may be the biggest guy muscle wise I’ve ever seen, it doesn’t seem possible, lol.

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by Ivdown on Dec 28, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

to look like lesnar

I would have to lose 20-30 pounds of fat and gain 75 pounds of muscle. It boggles the mind.

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

The Nevada hearing was weird (to say the least) but Reem did test clean like a half dozen times in the past month.

by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Surprised McCarthy hasn’t been shipped somewhere yet.

I hear there’s a team that likes collecting guys coming off being DFAed.

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d like McCarthy

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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Longoria shouldn’t be whining. He signed a long term deal with a team who had no possibility of spending money. They have made it into the playoffs and World Series in spite of that. Would he rather play for the Dodgers who spend twice as much and do nothing with it? The Cubs, the Mets? just about 28 other teams spend more then the Rays, are they winning as consistently as the Rays since Friedman took over?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 3:10 PM PST reply actions  

someone allegedly wanting to eat their cake and have it too?

preposterous!

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think Longoria is actually whining.

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I doubt hes upset, they made the playoffs 3 times now.

by NotJoeTorre on Dec 28, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Red Sox haven’t really done much other than replacing an elite closer with a very good closer and adding a set up man. Same with Feliz, I will call Bard a starter when he makes a start in the bigs. So they are the same team as last season, Crawford should get better so thats a plus.

Yankees haven’t done anything.

Rays are primed for another big season, if they can add some offense, they are the best team in the AL.

by NotJoeTorre on Dec 28, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Still need that 1st baseman and DH. A big bopper at either spot would be ideal.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

We have this James Loney.

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Kotchman is fine if they can get a DH who isn’t Dan Johnson

by NotJoeTorre on Dec 28, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

that 3 year deal for Fielder would work wonders in TB

by NotJoeTorre on Dec 28, 2011 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably not actually true: The biggest contract the Friedman Rays have given to a free agent is Pat Burrell’s 2/16.

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

TB is thin in hitting prospects, huh?

by NotJoeTorre on Dec 28, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

They have Hak-Ju, and not much after that. Imagine if they took Posey instead of Beckham.

They also have Oscar Hernandez who put up video game numbers in the VSL, but he was unheralded and there’s no actual scouting report on him, so who knows.

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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t even call those Video Game numbers.. holy shit

by NotJoeTorre on Dec 28, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

you never played RBI baseball with me then

of course he would also have 300 steals on the season in that case.

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

All Star baseball for N64

100-0 games were the norm along with 105 MPH pitches

by NotJoeTorre on Dec 28, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

hahah.

Yes. Games were like HR derbies.

by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

heh

I used to be able to steal home from first with 100 percent success in RBI baseball. It was rad

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

hah

man I played the crud out of that game

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I had a sweet collection of ROMs on my old harddrive.. I miss the simplicity of Nintendo

by NotJoeTorre on Dec 28, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I still own and maintain an NES

Don’t have a large library of games, but I’ve got some good ones: Mario 1 & 2, Mega Man 2 & 3, Metroid, Kid Icarus, Tetris, and Roger Clemens’ MVP Baseball, among others. :-)

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by TomasC on Dec 28, 2011 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Robocop, EVO, and Mega Man. My childhood favs

by NotJoeTorre on Dec 28, 2011 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

My childhood is a blur of Nintendo.

by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

As is mine

Along with Looney Tunes and Power Rangers, of course.

"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper

by TomasC on Dec 28, 2011 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

My childhood is a blur of walking through snow over my head uphill (both ways) to get to my one room classroom after i’d gotten up at 03:00Am to do my chores.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

You forgot the part about barefoot.

by jim hitchcock (railway) on Dec 28, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Luckily we didn’t get much snow in Burbank!

by NotJoeTorre on Dec 28, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

TB has a window this year that they need to exploit.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Before Upton is gone?

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

No, I just see the Yankee’s and RedSox vulnerable this year. Not that it will matter since the Angels will be representing the AL in the World Series.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Call me crazy...

But I’m not even sure the Angels will win the AL West

by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

weren’t you two just humping each other’s leg about the Packers a few minutes back?

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 4:04 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Didn’t say they would:)

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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the Yanks and Red Sox might actually get better on offense (which is bullshit!)but the Rays will get better pitching with a full season of Moore and Davis can’t possibly pitch that bad again. His stuff is too good

by NotJoeTorre on Dec 28, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Isn't Heilmen

due for mad regression?

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d think Shields would regress too.

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by Pure Azure on Dec 28, 2011 4:53 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

friggin Gammons and his garbled voice

He was on the phone on TV, and he said one of the groups looking to buy the Dodgers should tell McCourt to sign Fielder. I thought he said one of them did…..

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2011 3:28 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

McCourt

Is in no position to take recommendations from a potential buyer.

by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2011 3:31 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

because there is no favorite?

because there will be many bidders?

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Remember all the talk(a lot of it by me)

that the yankees and red sox would go ape shit to try to get some pitching? About that….

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 4:05 PM PST reply actions  

I was still right about CJ getting paid(or offers to be paid) though!

just by different teams then I expected

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I have had a irrational hatred of Larry Bowa ever since he came over with Joe Torre

its kinda funny, Larry Bowa the player is exactly what I would want from my SS

by NotJoeTorre on Dec 28, 2011 4:31 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think its irrational

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by nolander on Dec 28, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

There's no such thing

Hatred of Bowa is, by definition, rational.

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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Dec 28, 2011 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

made

It back safely I presume

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Yes

Saw a specialist who just advised to keep cleaning it with peroxide and see him again next week. So, so far nothing too bad infection-wise

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by mleadman on Dec 28, 2011 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

like Tasty Wheat

/Matrix’d

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2011 7:06 PM PST up reply actions  

My work built that entire habitat. It was actually the first thing I was involved with with the company. I worked 70 hours a week for 3 months straight. Made a ton of money.

They actually contacted me about 6 months ago asking how much it would cost to remove the trees and not have them totally destroyed. They were installed prior to the roof being built over it. Now the biggest opening is about a 10 X 10 doorway. The trees are a good 60+ feet wide at the top.

I love people who want to be cheap…

by VegasBlues on Dec 28, 2011 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

That's really cool

So are you an architect? Or engineer?

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Vegas Blues, Architect.

by G.Scott on Dec 29, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

yes!

Also, Architect of Destruction. Sweet wrestling name alert.

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Innovator of Violence

Tommy Dreamer FTMFW

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 9:12 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I’m not flamboyant enough to be an architect. I swear that in all my time working I only met a handful of architects that weren’t annoyingly over the top in everything they did.

by VegasBlues on Dec 29, 2011 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I was an Estimator / Project Manager for the company that built and installed all the artificial rock, wood, trees and everything else in there.

They did have me taking classes to help me become a mechanical engineer. On top of that they were having me study to get a Pool Contractor’s License so that we could skip the middle man and build our own pools (the previous guy we had with a license in Nevada had left the company about 3 years earlier.

None of us knew my health was going to go downhill so fast which ended up killing all these plans. Now that I look back on it I wish I had stuck it out a bit longer to at least get my license. It would have been nice to have for the future especially after the company folded.

http://www.rockandwaterscape.com/

That’s the website for the company I worked for. Since I left the company the owner died in a dune buggy crash and pretty much everyone moved on to other companies in the industry. The new owner has kept the name which is why the website is still around but the company is a shell of its former self.

by VegasBlues on Dec 29, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Spurs showed the Clippers

they have a long way to go

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2011 7:57 PM PST reply actions  

1-26 in their last 27 games in San Antonio

by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I always thought the Thunder should have traded Westbrook for Chris Paul. Now Russ is getting in fights with Durant on the bench.

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by Pure Azure on Dec 28, 2011 10:33 PM PST via Android app reply actions  

Russ really doesn’t like Durant from what I understand.

by G.Scott on Dec 28, 2011 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Russell Westbrook is going to get traded to the NBA version of Siberia(AKA Hornets) if he doesn’t watch himself.

by Tripon on Dec 28, 2011 11:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Westbrook isn’t getting traded anywhere. The two may argue. The two may hate each other. They generally play well together though (outside of a few overblown instances).

Jordan and Pippen didn’t get along all that well. They seemed to be able to work around it. Many teammates do as long as they are winning and the Thunder are going to win a lot this year.

If he did happen to get traded it wouldn’t be to the Hornets. That would be the exact opposite of what the league is trying to do with the team (build for the future).

by VegasBlues on Dec 28, 2011 11:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Gary has a bet with someone

that Westbrook ends up a Laker

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 6:16 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

It's me

I’m nowhere near as confident about that bet as I used to be. I could absolutely see him being a Laker

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

At one point I came up with Pau and Steve Blake for Westbrook. Of course, that made more sense before the Lakers traded Lamar for absolutely nothing. Man, that Odom trade was so stupid.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm waiting to see

What they turn that trade exception into

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 8:20 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

It was stupid

Unless it was to free up money for someone like Howard (as if the Lakers really need to free up money…fucking Jim Buss)

Houston still has the right pieces.

Westbrook to Lakers

Pau to Rockets

Dragic, Martin and Scola to OKC

by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 29, 2011 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I was hearing some stuff

About the new salary cap rules. Like that teams over the cap can’t use the full mid-level exception, and sign&trades become harder to do.

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 8:24 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I haven’t gone to the trade machine, but I assume OKC only moves Westbrook if they get an elite player in return (for example, they’d have to get Pau in that deal.) Martin is good but redundant and Scola (while a nice player) isn’t the kind of return you’re looking for.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

A smart GM (which they have) would do it I say. Martin offers another payer who can hit open shots from anywhere on the floor (only Durant can do that for them now) Scola is hugely underrated on both sides of the ball. He averaged 18 points a game last season! and Dragic is an athletic kid who run the point and be a very poor man’s westbrook. Fills a lot of holes for OKC.

by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 29, 2011 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Harden can do that as well. I like Dragic and he’s a nice sweetener in the deal, but he’s replacing your PG so it’s not like there’s a need for Dragic at the moment.

I mean, OKC went to the Western Conference Finals last year so I wouldn’t say there’s a lot of holes in need of filling. They have Westbrook, Durant and Harden to score and Ibaka on the front line rebouding and defending. They definitely don’t need to trade Westbrook, but I’d argue they’d do it to get an elite player (who may be a better fit than Westbrook) like Pau in return. A return of Martin, Scola and Dragic doesn’t do it for me. I’d rather just ride it out with the team as currently constructed and be a top team in the West again.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

They do have holes, they just also have great strengths and are well coached. But it hurts them not to have other shooters, and have no one who can score down low. Scola and Martin give them that. Im big on Dragic personally.

But yeah, they are good. the Whole premise of this is if they feel they have to move Westbrook. 3 quality players to an already quality team is a nice return for a guy you havent even extended.

by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 29, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Wouldn’t you think Paul is a better fit with Durant? I kept thinking they should have been the ones pursuing him, even though they still have a great young team.

Paul and Durant? Rings. Westbrook + Durant might end up like Marbury + Garnett.

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 29, 2011 8:42 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Pau straight up for Westbrook? Who helps at PG for Thunder?

I think Reggie Jackson has a future but he’s at least a year away.

by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 29, 2011 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Definitely

Chris Paul and Durant would have been awesome.

OKC would have had the same problem GSW had with Paul though in that he wouldn’t have picked up his option in a trade. Paul said he would only do that for NYK , LAL and LAC.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I read Paul as Pau….

oof

by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 29, 2011 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Ah, well CP3 seems like he wants to win more than play in a big market, I think if he was presented with the chance to play with Durant he would have waived the option like he did with the Clips.

Since the Thunder weren’t interested, it probably never occurred to him.

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 29, 2011 9:01 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

ah

I knew it was either you or Phil

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 8:13 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

How Did UCLA end up as the PAC12 #6 when they are at least #4 in the overall standings?

by delias man on Dec 29, 2011 8:22 AM PST reply actions  

u talking about in bowl bids?

it’s because the Pac 12 Bowl #1 gets 1st choice, Bowl #2 gets 2nd choice, and so on…so basically UCLA was picked last even though they had a better record than some other teams

by Brandon Lennox on Dec 29, 2011 8:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Say Holiday Bowl gets Pac 12 2#2. That’s doesn’t mean they get the 2nd best Pac 12 team, it means they get the second pick of Pac 12 teams.

This kind of sucked for Oregon State for a few years (when they were good) because they would finish third in the Pac 10 and would be the last picked for bowl games and would end up at the Texas Bowl beating the shit out of Rutgers.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 8:25 AM PST up reply actions  

UCLA finished below .500. Every other Pac12 team in a bowl (Ore, Stan, Wash, Cal, Utah, ASU) finished at .500 or above. How is UCLA at least #4?

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

conference standings

by delias man on Dec 29, 2011 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

ah, that only matters for the Rose Bowl. Since it is just selection order and not conference finish order, overall record tends to matter more.

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

i am excited Maynard is a Junior because he is fucking lousy.

by delias man on Dec 29, 2011 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

lousy

Is another word that needs to be used more

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 8:56 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

he is pretty terrible. Ash was showing him up last night, and Texas fans hate Ash

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Ned Colletti New Year's Resolution
Convince the World He’s a Stathead [Jay Jaffe]
Once upon a time, a general manager could blow 20 or 30 or 50 million dollars on a bad free agent contract and shrug his shoulders while saying, “Who could have known that Jason Schmidt’s shoulder was a ticking time bomb from looking at a health report?” or “Who would have guessed Juan Pierre wasn’t a home run hitter?” or “Who says Juan Uribe can’t get on base?” But now, waves of young GMs armed with MBAs, propeller beanies, and dog-eared copies of Baseball Between the Numbers can tell you these things, and Ned Colletti knows he’s losing his edge to the kids whose footsteps he hears when they get on the spreadsheets.

The rest is here http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=15746

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by underdog on Dec 29, 2011 8:25 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

maybe Jay could mix a few more cliches into that paragraph

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Weird piece below that by Sam Tydings almost makes it sound like it was written before McCourt agreed to sell

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by underdog on Dec 29, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Maurice Jones Drew would hide a concussion from his team

ya know, for his kids.
link

Jones-Drew reiterated that he takes the risk because of his family and said he strongly believes NFL teams would be hesitant to sign players with a history of concussions. So he would hide a concussion to stay in a game, even if it meant increased potential for long-term health issues.

“I would do anything for my kids,” he said. “If they’re happy, I’m happy. I think they would appreciate it. As long as my kids’ kids would be happy with what I did, that’s what this life is about: sacrifice. It’s not about you anymore, you know?”

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 9:15 AM PST reply actions  

Mommy

Daddy’s diaper needs changing

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 9:18 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I can respect that. Individuals make their own choices, but a society full of busy-bodies and do-gooders seems to have a problem with self determination.

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 29, 2011 9:18 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I can’t get comfortable on either side of the fence of this argument

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Its not really true

but I read a piece like this and it seems like players want to eat their cake and have it too. When playing they want to hide their injuries, but after all is said and done they want the league to take care of them and admit to not doing enough.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, I respect them as long as they’re consistent and hold themselves responsible for choices they made with full knowledge of risk and consequences.

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 29, 2011 9:29 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

It doesn't seem like they are

“well yeah we hid concussions but it wasn’t our fault it was there’s!” They have a point but both sides are culpable here.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

it would be one thing if you didn't have a bunch of current players

aware of the risks saying they don’t care. It makes it hard for me to believe that the players suing now wouldn’t have had the exact same attitude. At some point how much do grown men need to be babysat by the NFL?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I meant larger than football

Seatbelts
Helmets
Car seats
No sugar soda in the vending machine
smoking
OSHA

for all of those things, I struggle a bit with both legislation and I struggle with a lack of legislation

The boundaries of freedom and personality responsibility are not obvious to me

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I have nothing wrong with adding safety features to things

I have issues with people being forced to use them.

Also, no sugar soda is the biggest fuckign crock, since they just replace it with other non soda drinks that have just as much sugar

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Makes sense to me.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

does it?

the dude is already rich. We aren’t talking about a young guy with nothing anymore, but a guy who has already made big money. I would think at this point in his career he would be better off walking away with millions instead of risking being paralyzed.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Money goes fast for professional athletes and entertainers. Not like they sit on it, they spend it. If the only thing you are good at is one thing and one thing only, how do you give that up so early in life and retire to a life of dreariness? Once he stops being Maurice Drew the stud football player he becomes nobody and none of these people are prepared to be nobody after being the somebody from the time they were seven years old.

I’m not saying he’s right, but the comment coming from a professional athlete makes sense to me.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

how do you give that up so early in life and retire to a life of dreariness?

Then he isn’t doing it for his kids, which is what I’m mocking here. If he really cared about his kids he would invest his money smart and not blow it so he would then have to risk serious injury to make it back.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I am looking for someone who will help me invest my money smart

easy to say, hard to do

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Does the NFL not provide them with a list of pre approved guys?

if not they should.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe they don’t have to invest smart, but at least don’t live beyond your means like so many of these guys do. With the amount of money they make, their families could live comfortably for life if they didn’t spend so much.

by OB12 on Dec 29, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

In my opinion anyone playing professional football is taking a risk with their mental and physical future. Any genre of fighting, same thing.

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think thats an opinion

I think its fair to call that a fact.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

All studies on concussions are pretty new and can change, but it’s right now it’s pretty telling that football seems way worse for you than any sport that has dudes punching you in the face.

Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Dec 29, 2011 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

who cares?

anyone who doesn’t want nfl players hitting each other head on every play is a pussy.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

NPUT
http://www.truebluela.com/2011/12/29/2668283/juan-uribe-tbla-community-projection-review

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 9:20 AM PST reply actions  

Uh oh. I may have over-shot on this one

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

eh, everyone did

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

TWSS

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by underdog on Dec 29, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Sklar Bros. guest hosting Jim Rome show

Fun times

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 9:21 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

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