James Loney 2011 Community Projection Review
by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 8:58 AM PST
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Print| Year | Age | PA | HR | Runs | RBI | BA | OBP | SLG | wOBA |
| 2008 | 24 | 651 | 13 | 66 | 90 | .289 | .338 | .434 | .333 |
| 2009 | 25 | 651 | 13 | 73 | 90 | .281 | .357 | .399 | .332 |
| 2010 | 26 | 648 | 10 | 67 | 88 | .267 | .329 | .395 | .315 |
| 2011 | 27 | 582 | 12 | 56 | 65 | .288 | .339 | .416 | .329 |
| 2011 Projections - Age 27 Season | |||||||||
| Year | PA | HR | Runs | RBI | BA | OBP | SLG | wOBA | |
| Bill James | 626 | 12 | 68 | 85 | .280 | .346 | .417 | .337 | |
| Marcel | 589 | 11 | 63 | 78 | .275 | .340 | .406 | .326 | |
| ZiPS | 626 | 12 | 68 | 93 | .279 | .338 | .416 | ||
All the experts nailed the projection. Looks like Marcel was the best of the excellent projection. We all know that 2011 was a tail of two seasons for James, fascinating that at the end of the day, his awful four months, combined with his brilliant two months resulted in your basic James Loney season.
I expect many community members to have nailed this projection. Brandon was a tad too optimistic, let's find out how the members did.
SilverWidow bounces back with an excellent prognostication (..282/.343/.412 /13 HR/90 RBI). Heck other then Runs Batted In he nails it.
Michael White does a solid job .275 / .340 / .410
Kinbote is right there .272/.341/.411 14 HR 83 RBI
Humma with the pedestrian line .280/.340/.410 / 12HR / 34 2B
Gary might have been the most optimistic, I'm guessing Taylor was busy that day. .270/.340/.440 & 23HR
Guy Clinch .290/.340/.430
Oops spoke to soon, Hollywood Joe speaks up from camp optimistic 290/.350/.500/ 28 home runs. Clear winner of the you be wrong category.
Josie with a solid prognostication .266/.330/.420 & 10 HRs
Hmmm, maybe Nolij should win something .......
After going .175/.195/.280 for about three weeks, Mattingly straps him in a chair and makes him watch replays of his series in Colorado a few years ago, Clockwork Orange style, for a week straight. Gimenez fills in and goes .000/.043/.000. Loney comes back rejuvenated, albeit less goofy, and crushes at a .310/.360/.525 clip for the rest of the reason with 24 jacks.
This however is my favorite, but it is not from the Brandon review but from Phil's prediction in the full season David Young Preview
From Aug 9th until the end of the year Loney hits .329/.393/.521 leading the Dodger to the pennant.
I'm cherry picking to make the quote look awesome so I can get back on Phil's good side. As we know from Aug 9th on Jim Loney hit .379 / .444 / .641 but failed to lead the team to the pennant. Even the most optimistic of optimistic touts could not foresee a plus .600 slug % for two months.
It is mind boggling to me that a hitter can have that line for two months and still end up with such an overall pedestrian line. It is a sad testament to just how bad James Loney was until August 10th. I think this community can agree that if James Loney shows up again we are screwed no matter how good Kemp/Kershaw/Andre do, but if Jim Loney shows up, Captain Optimism just might be able to rear his little head this summer.
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Change his name to Jim and grow a fu manchu
And we’re good. How many more times I gotta ask?
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 28, 2011 9:03 AM PST reply actions
Loney predictions for the upcoming season will be more interesting
People will be all over the map depending on if they believe in James or Jim.
lemme just put this out there
290/.350/.500/ 28 home runs
eat me Phillip
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
Hell
.322 / .383 / .539 with 19 home runs
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I like yours better
if he hits 28 jacks I expect someone will make him pee in a cup
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
Jim will go Bautista
And folks will cry for his pee!!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2011 9:42 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
“And folks will cry for his pee!!!!”
We need a Humma to fit that line into some structure verse
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
So like 75 doubles?
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
that is true – gotta work to get that slg up that high
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
Nah, I checked it out, 10 guys have had a Slug% > .500 since 2005, think Helton, about 19 – 20 jacks can make it happen along with 45 doubles.
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This is what happens when nothing is going on in baseball and no one is at work. This is for my amusement only and not to be a pedantic jerk. Really.
Assuming 600 PA with that line: 193 hits, 73 doubles, 19 HR
Record is 67.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Should say at bats not PA.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Was thinking along the lines of the Carlos Guillen season
Rk Player HR SLG PA Year H 2B 3B BB BA OBP OPS
1 Andre Ethier 20 .510 596 2008 160 38 5 59 .305 .375 .885
2 Jorge Posada 20 .543 589 2007 171 42 1 74 .338 .426 .970
3 Jeff Kent 20 .500 562 2007 149 36 1 57 .302 .375 .875
4 Nomar Garciaparra 20 .505 523 2006 142 31 2 42 .303 .367 .872
5 Todd Helton 20 .534 626 2005 163 45 2 106 .320 .445 .979
6 Alex Avila 19 .506 551 2011 137 33 4 73 .295 .389 .895
7 Carlos Guillen 19 .519 622 2006 174 41 5 71 .320 .400 .920
8 Matt Holliday 19 .505 526 2005 147 24 7 36 .307 .361 .866
9 Ian Kinsler 18 .517 583 2008 165 41 4 45 .319 .375 .892
10 Brian Roberts 18 .515 640 2005 176 45 7 67 .314 .387 .903
11 Robinson Cano 15 .525 508 2006 165 41 1 18 .342 .365 .890
12 Joe Mauer 13 .507 608 2006 181 36 4 79 .347 .429 .936
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Generated 12/28/2011.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
Jim Loney will see his plate appearances decline to an all time career low this season.
He will be in a platoon situation.
Likely gone at the trading deadline too.
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 28, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Decent comp, I think the difference comes from Carlos walking more/being hurt so he gets less at bats, and you have Loney isoing 20 points higher.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
hard to imagine that Carlos Guillen was ever healthy enough to manage 622 plate appearances
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Jim will go
308/367/490
James will go
267/322/388
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 28, 2011 9:31 AM PST reply actions
Dragon Tatoo
I watched the Swedish version last night. Have to say the Hollywood version left me with some questions, that the Swedish version answered. Overall I liked the Swedish version better, but both were good. Both Girls were excellent though Rooney Mara had more of the edge, and the soundtrack on the US Version kept your spine tingling.
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The actor in the Swedish version really worked. Daniel Craig is just too, well…Hollywood
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 28, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
To good looking is probably what you are going for.
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Sure, but also just far too action hero-y…..The Swedish actor had the necessary vulnerability
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 28, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
Haven't seen the american version
but the dude was a complete and total ladies man in the books, so daniel craig makes more sense to me in the role. I found myself dissapointed by the swedish version after all the hype he got
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Reviews I’ve read say that the US version is more faithful to the book, but I wouldn’t know.
I’d like to see the original film but I’m not expecting better filmmaking than I saw with the Fincher version.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 28, 2011 10:21 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
They are on Netflix, if you have it
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2011 10:22 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yes sir
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2011 10:23 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
good to hear
I made the mistake of watching the swedish version like… 3 days after finishing the book, so I know that I’m probably not being fair to it.
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MI 4 has 3 really good action set pieces but falls apart every time the characters act like human beings.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 28, 2011 10:31 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I now also want to eat your lunch at 9:43 am.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
just don’t drink my milkshake and we will be all cool
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
yeah - you pack a lunch and all of a sudden you turn into a fucking hobbit
all I can think about is second breakfast and early lunch
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
did
You finish the bacon.
by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2011 10:09 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
this morning – meant to write you
thank you much – was DELICIOUS
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
I dreamed about L.A food last night
First time i’ve ever dreamt about food.
was back in LA, on my way for a plate of tacos. Sun was out.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 28, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
cue randy newman
I ate here the other night – might be my best taco stand experience ever
ever
really, ever
El Chato – opens at 9PM, corner of La Brea and Olympic
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
I just looked at it…Fuck….
Don’t let anyone tell you that NYC has shit on L.A when it comes to food. Unless your down to eat Pizza and Falafel every meal.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 28, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
I don't
I got razzed here by some a while back when I called LA the greatest food city in the world
but I travel and I eat and I know what my mouth tells me
eat here now
eat here now
eat here now
I know where to get really good Pizza in LA, but where is the best Falafel?
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Good falafel in L.A
also, Jonathan Gold agrees with you…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/11/jonathan-gold-la-as-great_n_458372.html
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 28, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
that falafel is wonderfully close to the office
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
I used to work at the Free Clinic on Hollywood and Gower, and had their falafal quite often. Really liked it. This was almost ten years ago though.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 28, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
in SB
i found this place http://losangeles.grubstreet.com/2011/06/la_colmena_milpas_streets_next.html
which has saved my taco going life
Hmmm. Do you agree with that reviewer that it’s actually better than Super Rica? I haven’t tried La Colmena yet. I live here, in SB, but don’t get out that way too often.
Next time you do, if it’s Thursday through Sunday, you should drop into Jaffurs winery, just off Milpas on Montecito St, to taste maybe the best Syrahs – maybe the best wines of any variety, in fact – in the county. It’s the only way you’ll be able to do so, short of joining the wine club or happening across a restaurant that has Jaffurs and hasn’t sold out their year’s supply yet.
i would say its DIFFERENT from Super Rica. Super Rica feels a bit hardier, a bit more of an…event (the line, the quick glance at the menu before ordering, etc). La Colmena is more of a taco stand in a building…. MUCH better salsas (a GREAT peanut salsa), much cheaper and quicker. The handmade tortillas are memorable, while Super Rica’s dont scream out much to me. Between 4 and 6pm, Colmena has $1 tacos so give it a shot!
I’m not a big wine drinker, I have no idea the difference between a Syrah or anything else. I will keep that in mind thou, next time i’m with a wine drinker to impress!
do you have any other SB food recs? We are trying to find some good italian, japanese, and indian places… and korean if it exists.
My favorite Italian is Pane e Vino, but it’s out in upper Montecito (village, not street). Just about as good, and a really nice place, downtown is Ca’ Dario, on the corner of Victoria and Santa Barbara St. It’s much better than (most of the) State Street tourist Italian places, though I’m told that Bucatini is also pretty good. I really like Ca’ Dario’s food, and the warm and lively atmosphere. At either place (Pane e Vino, or Ca’ Dario) get the ossobucco. The lentil soup at Pane e Vino, if it’s on that night, is fantastic. Ca’ Dario also does a nice casserole chicken.
I’m told that the best Sushi place is Arigoto Sushi downtown (more Sushi than straight Japanese), but my favorite Japanese is Edomasa, around the corner from where I live, on upper De La Vina (nr. Alamar). It’s very reasonable. It’s also that very frarew SB place that’s open late, past 10 – to 12 weekdays and 1 AM or later Friday and Saturday.
My favorite Indian place is Flavor of India, on Upper State (nr. De La Vina merge). Their nan are as good as anywhere I’ve been, and I lived in London 20 years. I haven’t been to any Korean here; I don’t think there are any. (We’re even rather low on Chinese, good on Thai.)
I recently checked out an on;ine restaurant gide I often use when traveling to other cities, and confirm that it’s pretty right on for SB. You might want to check it out for other suggestions. www.gayot.com/restaurants.
thanks man!!
ive heard good things about Ca Dario… I’m excited to try Olio e Limone and their pizza place too. Petrinis seems like the red/white check kinda place we love too.
Have you heard about India Club on Calle Real in Goleta? Heard good things but will cehck out Flavor of India as well. Edomasa will also go onthe list, i know there must be good sushi in SB but that’s an expensive food to try out a bunch of different places…
Olio e Limone is excellent – quite elegant and ‘fine dining’ though. (If you are in the mood for that, I’d first recommend Bouchon next door, though, probably the best restaurant in town.)
Petrini’s is absolutely awful, horrible. Don’t go there. Ever. It’s what passed for “Italian” in American cities that had no Italians in the 1950s. Really terrible. Stay away,. Don’t waste an evening.
I’ve never heard of India Club. I’ll check it out.
Edomasa also has the best sushi, as well as 100 interesting small starters – try a few.
Which of those two restaurants are in or near the area where several college students hang and/or live?
My cousin, her husband, his sister, and her husband were all going on and on about a taco place in Santa Barbara (they all went to UCSB) a few weeks back and I don’t remember the name. La Colmena sounds like the one they were talking about though.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Since it is nearing lunch time, Joe I have to know what you packed for your lunch. I need options to go with tacos.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Black Forest and Provolone on country wheat which I think sliced myself + mustard, olive tapenade, and hot peppers
Also brought some dried mission figs, pear, and an apple
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
ha ha
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
it is hard work making being the straight man seem this easy
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Olive tapenade is somethuing I’d never had until recently. Delicious.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Dec 28, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
What
they put into the muffaletta sandwich at Central Grocery in New Orleans is too much too coarse to call a tapenade (they call it “olive salad”), but makes for an oh-so-delicious meal (yes, that is 1/4 of the sandwich being held:
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by David Young on Dec 28, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
The one I had there was. There’s always a line, but it is essentially the only thing they make, so it goes fast.
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by David Young on Dec 28, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
sometimes site:truebluela is useful
but sometimes if what you are searching for is a current topic you get a bunch of shitty results because its in the tags or sidebar of more recent pages
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Pays to know people who work in hotels; just got a $35 discount on a room for New Year’s Eve in a local hotel.
what are the plans?
Party at the hotel or party elsewhere and stumble to the hotel?
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
Party at the fancy bar in the hotel then stumble upstairs to the hotel room.
I’ve been to the fancy bar once, for my sister-in-law’s birthday party. It was among the most drunk I’ve ever been in my life.
what are you going to drink? I am interested in the whole game plan
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Here’s the plan: Dinner at an Italian restaurant we’ve both wanted to try for a late dinner, probably have a glass of wine there. Then head down to the bar (I wanted to reserve a table but need a group to afford that) and I’ll probably just drink beer so I don’t get too drunk. Last time I was at Q Bar, I was drinking absinthe with my sister-in-law’s cousins. It is the only time that I was so drunk I couldn’t stand up straight — at least the only time that I remember.
Anyway, they are doing a champagne toast at midnight, stick around for a little bit then head up to the hotel room where we will both immediately go to sleep because we are both angels.
this is what the doctor orders
Scotch before dinner
Bottle of red with dinner
Port after dinner to go with desert
Champagne toast
3 full glasses of water before bed + 2 excedrin
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
I just about never get hungover. On Christmas, my dad and I killed off three growlers worth of beer and I had a couple glasses of wine and I was fine the next day. My dad was not.
I’ve only had scotch once and I remember not liking it. I also remember someone bought it for me while I was drinking Newcastle all night, so that might have been why.
Truth. And I’m not much older than fbihop.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
The day your metabolism stops working is the day you actually have to pay for your drinking.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
depends
On the cover charge. I hope they have a lot of bartenders on staff that night
by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2011 10:16 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Softball Blogger Tournament update:
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Roster as of today
Albert Martinez
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Gary, A, Scott
Joe Benardello
David G Young
Matthew Josephson
William P Ballas
Kevin Lewis
Brandon Lennox
Bobby Down
Justin, W Hyde
Brenton, W, Knapp
Joshua Bramlett
Phil Gurnee
AJ Henning
Naeem Chaudhry
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Russell Frye
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Josh Schoenwald
Please pay if you have not
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According to the link above 72 people have paid. Our our group only three have paid of the 20 who said they wanted to play. So when they play that looks like almost 90 players.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
I was waiting to see how the teams filled out – if we have 20 people on the TBLA team and some other team was short I was considering taking my talents to south beach as a way to get more teams involved
and with all the talent on the TBLA team, not sure I would even be missed except for maybe snark factor
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
He wants us to field two teams but we’d need two more woman to make it happen.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Might be time to put out a Woman of TrueBlueLA post to stir some interest.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
I cannot tell you
How many times I have heard this phrase muttered in frustration
but we’d need two more woman to make it happen
Seemingly you can never have enough
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
Jerry Hairston
Two part question.
Is he a good approximation of Carroll? And where is he likely to play most often?
Yes
3rd
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Less patience, more power, third base after either Uribe sucks or Ellis sucks and Uribe gets moved to second.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
he looks less like Chief Wiggum than Carrol did
which is a good thing
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
holy crap I just forgot about him completely
Man this offseason makes me want to watch paint dry
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If you guys can help Leokitty’s Hall of Fame tracker it would be appreciated. If you see a ballot she doesn’t have send it in.
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In other words
Colts better lose this Sunday
by silverwidow on Dec 28, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
a team that expects to pick at the end of the draft every year?
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That seems like a lot more than the No. 5 pick, a second-round pick, a third-round pick, and Tim Dwight.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
cam newton is making MAYBE 25 million on his deal as opposed to 75 million for bradford
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I would think “bust factor” is more of a concern when trading a shit ton of picks for a prospect.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
cap space matters
if that pick busts now, you aren’t hurt as much because you where able to afford to spend your money elsewhere.
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I hear your point. Newton is incredibly valuable considering what he’s being paid. But I don’t think Luck will be as good as Newton.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
it depends on how Newton's decision making progresses
right now he is a good QB even if it doesn’t get much better, but Luck might end up having the edge there. I don’t know how their arm strength compares though.
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Cam Newton is projected as the #1 overall fantasy pick next year.
by silverwidow on Dec 28, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
Damn. I was hoping I’d be able to steal him next year (I want him as my fantasy QB), but if he’s the number 1 overall pick, I’ll need to get lucky.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
He is mike vick if mike vick was the size of a linebacker
and was a better passer, and wasn’t vick always a high fantasy pick?
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Vick was, but it was a sucker bet for the reasons you allude to. He’s too small and the risk of injury never justified the pick (IMO.)
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
its kind of amazing to me
that the only year that vick had that compares to newtons passing wise was last year. I guess he never had steve smith though.
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Exactly
Newton is fucking goal line back. And has an elite WR in Steve Smith. Great combo.
by silverwidow on Dec 28, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
He is basically what people thought Tebow could be
if Tebow had never existed, thus blocking Newton at Florida, would Newton have ended up as the greatest college QB of all time instead?
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Someone said Leinart was the greatest college QB of all-time.
by silverwidow on Dec 28, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
someone is always saying someone is the greatest something of all time
but mostly it is flavor of the month
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
yes and in 5 years someone will break some other records and he will be the greatest blank of all blank
the best guy, in recent memory, becomes the greatest of all time, until some new guy, in more recent memory becomes the greatest of all time
We as a culture are not satisfied saying someone is great, we have to take it that other step, but once we go there, we cannot stop going there
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
If someone plays as good as the greats
and proves it on the field I have no problem with them discussing whether they where better then those that came before them.
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I find it mostly opinion and hyperbole without the key component of time based context
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
you can really look at what leinert and tebow did and say they don't belong in the convo?
Sorry, but they do. Even if they end up only being the best of their “generation” or era or w/e, they still belong in the conversation.
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Am I sick of every baseball or college prospect being projected
as the greatest prospect of all time? Sure, but when someone proves it on the field I’m ok with the talk.
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sure – they belong in the conversation
I am arguing just that, that they are among the best to play, maybe the best of their generation, but the greatest of all time is not a group, it is a singular distinction and I have no more ears for that conversation
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
or a more friendly response
then who is the best? Who is the guy that is so great we shouldn’t be talking about Leinert and Tebow?
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Leinart was 37-2 and has the Pac-12 record for TD passes with 99, but Matt Barkley (with 80) should pass that near midseason next year.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
With a good enough season, someone will suggest that maybe Barkley, is the greatest college QB of all time
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
There is already talk at USC of Barkley becoming the greatest Trojan ever, from Pat Haden to Lane Kiffin and on down the line. Putting a bit too much on the kid methinks.
Back to Leinart for a second, he was obviously surrounded by a great cast of teammates but he has a pretty strong case to be in the conversation as one of the best college QBs ever.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Leinart certainly has an argument though. I’d say you have to look to the 3 or 4 year starting QBs and few (none?) accomplished more than Leinart and Tebow.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Kellen Moore I think ended up with 50 wins
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
Count the national championships.
/kidding
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
and he had the most rediculous supporting cast of all timeish
I mean look at those miami teams, they at one point had 2 backup RBs that went on to become NFL stars. Ed Reed, Wayne, Andre Johnson, Shockey.
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You thinking Ken Dorsey?
If so, I would say he is NOT in the conversation.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
38-2
and right, I don’t think he really belongs, but he put up crazy numbers
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for fun the 2002 national championship team had
sean taylor, vilma, shockey, wilfork, reed, andre johnson, shockey, portis, and a few more.
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That NC team put such a thumping on Nebraska. It seemed like it was 21-0 before you even blinked.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
It’s funny how quickly things change. When Miami had all that talent, I didn’t see anybody beating them. They were a minor league NFL team. Next thing you know, OSU upsets them the following year and USC becomes the minor league NFL team.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
I am never a fan of “that one call cost us X (the game, the series, the championship, etc)” but man that pass interference call against Miami was terrible. The Hurricanes should have back-to-back titles and The Sweater Vest wouldn’t have had a ring his players could sell.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
The one play I remember from that game is Maurice Clarett chasing down the Miami DB after an interception and stripping the ball.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
That, and McGahee blowing out his knee.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
it was terrible that they had to put in
frank gore :-p(he was the backup then right?)
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Clinton Portis sure fell off the face of the Earth.
by silverwidow on Dec 28, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
running backs have a short self life
especially those who are always injured. When healthy he was a top back though.
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yes
running backs are like milk left on the counter
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
What made Tebow a great college QB was that he was a tank of a man by the time he was an incoming freshman and he played his way into the (platoon) QB job as a freshman. A lot of great college QBs don’t develop until late (Carson Palmer) so I don’t think it’s a given that freshman/sophomore Newton would have started for a national title contenting Gators team.
So I’ll say, no.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
but without tebow
isn’t he then the best QB on the roster? or at least good enough to get platoon time ala Tebow?
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No idea. I know he eventually ends up great, not sure he’s good enough to demand playing time as a freshman because so few are.
You’d have to ask a hardcore Gators fan what the scouting reports were on him his freshman year and how big he was then.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
How would one team even have 3 firsts?
Or I guess how many times has a team had that many. Then again you can trade future picks right? It would be cool if baseball was like this too.
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future picks
or the patriots(2 firsts 2 seconds which will become 9 seconds in the 2013 draft)
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I remember NFL 2K games
Where you could trade now and future picks, unlike Madden. Damn that was awesome.
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10 of the 12 games for the Pac-12 will be taken care of, starting in 6 years
per Pete Thamel of the NY Times:
Pac-12 and Big Ten enter scheduling agreement. All 12 teams playing an inter-league football game starting 2017.
I wonder
will I ever see another Bruin 10 win team in my lifetime
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
In 2017 and 2018, USC will play Texas, so their schedule will have 9 Pac-12 games, one Big Ten game, Texas, and Notre Dame. Nice.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
10 Pac 12 games. You forgot the championship game.
by KellyStephen on Dec 28, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
10 pac 16 games after Texas joins
by G.Scott on Dec 28, 2011 12:36 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
For only $1495
you can take an online “Sabermetrics” class from Tom Tango. Seems pretty steep when most of the advanced stuff you can get for free online.
Especially since if he’s gonna cover all of this
You want to learn skills in sabremetrics: quantitative analysis; data mining, database development and programming.
in 20 hours it’s going to be embarrassingly little instruction on any of them.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Put a decimal point in the middle and it’s sold.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Anybody else surprised that John Danks got 65 million bucks?
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by Pure Azure on Dec 28, 2011 10:55 AM PST via Android app reply actions
Made me happier with Billingsley’s contract
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Seems about right. After the arb year it’s a 4/55 contract which seems cheaper than what a solid 28 year old pitcher will get in FA.
Now if Edwin Jackson gets dick all it’s gonna look a lot worse.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Now if Edwin Jackson gets dick
especially if they have video
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
That is reasonable but the timing is what surprised me, they look to rebuild and get prospects but then decide Danks is someone they want to build around?
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by Pure Azure on Dec 28, 2011 11:10 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
OK, I'm late to this story
Steven Cohen/Arn Tellum…anybody Dodgers fans would really want? I confess that “billionaire hedge fund manager” gives me the creeps. But his billions don’t.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 28, 2011 11:02 AM PST reply actions
Billionaire hedge fund manager says “I ain’t spending a time more than I have to, fuck y’all”
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
DudeAbides had a very creepy story about him in previous thread. Worth reading if you want to cringe.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Makes you wonder if he would be willing to spend big on payroll
just like all these billionaires. Lets get that Virgin guy to buy the team, he seems crazy enough to spend
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That was very creepy all right.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 28, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
I see he's a "trophy collector"
The publicity-averse Cohen began collecting five years ago, moving quickly from Manet and Monet into Contemporary. He likes “trophy” art—signature works by famous artists—and bought a Pollock “drip” painting from David Geffen for $52 million and spent $8 million on Damien Hirst’s embalmed shark, a piece that the artist had bought back from Charles Saatchi. Oddly, he is no trader. As with Bill Gates’ purchases of “Western” art, Cohen doesn’t mind overpaying for what he wants. But he did drop out of the bidding for Picasso’s “Boy with a Pipe” when it reached $80 million. It went to Steve Wynn.
Forbes, 2005
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 28, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Here's a question
Any plans for a new ownership predictions thread as we move closer to the Jan 13 date?
Give me the Guggenheim billions and Magic and Stan Kasten.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 28, 2011 11:20 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Vince Young was the greatest college quarterback I’ve ever seen. For one game anyway:)
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As much as Hollywood Joe will hate this distinction, I do think Vince Young’s 2006 Rose Bowl was the greatest individual college football game of all-time.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Doesn’t beat Boise State vs. Oklahoma for me
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
That was the greatest game, I think Eric was making the distinction of greatest individual performance
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
or not
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
I was only talking individual performance, but I happen to also think USC/Texas is the greatest game ever too.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
It is a game I’d like to rewatch live. I was watching it at a Rose Bowl Party but to much talking about other stuff got in the way of enjoying that great game.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
The final 2 minutes plus overtime of Boise State vs. Oklahoma was college football at its most exciting, but I would still pick USC vs. Texas as the best game ever, with a bonus for the stakes on the line.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Stakes
Sure, that was the national championship game. But this was Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl. This doesn’t sound that crazy now, but this was the first one. This was the mid-major finally playing in a big bowl game. And they didn’t play a BCS team in name only. They played one of the most successful programs ever in Oklahoma…and beat them.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Urban Meyer and Utah won same bowl two years earlier
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Forgot about that.
That was certainly against a “BCS school in name only” team though. Pittsburgh.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah I agree. The best non-BCS school bowl win over a major school in recent years that I can remember, other than Boise State over Oklahoma, was when Utah took Alabama to the woodsheed at the 2009 Sugar Bowl.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
I worked with a guy who turned that game off at 28-20 Boise State with like 3-4 minutes left. He missed five touchdowns.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Hell, that is when I turned it on
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
I missed the int return for a TD making the 5 minute drive home from work where I was watching the game
everything else I saw
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It is number one on my list. Mainly because of his who he did it against. Not like he was running over a bunch of Humma’s.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
30-40 for 267 yards, plus 19 carries for 200 rushing yards and three touchdowns. If only he had four fewer rushing yards, Leinart could have had three national titles.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
we tried to get a client of ours who went to UT tickets for that game thinking it wouldnt be absurd.. brokers were selling decent seats for $8,000 a pop..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 28, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Who is James Loney?
Go Jim Go!
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Cliff C on the Dodgers:
The Los Angeles Dodgers resolve to surprise some people. In 2011 the Dodgers had the Cy Young award winner in lefty Clayton Kershaw and the deserving MVP in center fielder Matt Kemp (though Kemp ultimately lost the award to Braun), yet finished 11 games out of first place. That wouldn’t seem to bode well for their chances in 2012 given likely regressions from those two stars, but by third-order wins the Dodgers were actually the best team in the West in 2011 and there’s no reason they couldn’t turn that into a reality in 2012. The West is wide open. Kershaw will be just 24. Kemp is at his peak age of 27. The back of the rotation has been solidified by league-average innings eaters Aaron Harang and Chris Capuano. Mark Ellis could turn out to be a nice addition at second base if he reverts to his pre-2011 patience at the plate and plays his usual strong defense. The team still needs a catcher and to commit to sophomore Jerry Sands in left field, and, yes, there is ample opportunity for upgrades elsewhere on the roster that likely won’t be made, but there’s no reason the Dodgers — under sophomore manager Don Mattingly — couldn’t be the best team in a weak division in 2012.
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If Kemp doesn’t regress this year it will be the best non-Barry two year stretch since Willie Mays.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
WAT
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
rWAR wise at least.
Consecutive 10 win seasons don’t happen.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Kemp could “regress” to a season where he’s an MVP candidate and still be three wins worse.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Baseball-Reference made some adjustments recently. Kemp is no longer at 10.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Kemp is just trying to set the bar lower for 2012 :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
I’m still seeing 10 exactly.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
The “adjustment” was me looking at the oWAR column :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Even then, consecutive 8 win seasons are pretty rare. Only 16 players in the last 50 years have done it, and the only non-Hall of Fame talent to do it is Jason Giambi since Ron Santo just got in.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
We will look back at his a year from now and laugh since it ain’t happening.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
So Kemp and Kershaw will regress, but the third order wins will stay the same, and Capang over Kuroda is a positive?
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
too many ifs
this is like ‘IF ONLY NOMAR CAN STAY HEALTHY WE WILL BE AWESOME’
ya let me know when all that shakes out our way..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 28, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
to have a successful 162 game season
A lot of things have to break your way.
by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2011 11:19 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
His point that the division overall is weak and still winnable is totally valid though, imho
And I think he makes some astute criticisms of the DBacks off season, a team most everyone seems to be basically orgasming over.
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by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 28, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Kubel was strange, have no problem with getting Cahill and moving Parker. They still have 24 and Skaggs.
Kennedy
Hudson
Cahill
Collmenter
Leaving room for Bauer
Looks good to me.
No weak spot in the lineup:
Goldy
Hill
Drew
Reynolds
Upton
Young
Kubel/Parra
Montero
Only Upton is scary, while Montero is good, everyone else is at least solid given the position. Looks like a solid team to me.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Roberts not Reynolds
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah not sure how you can look at this compared to everyone else in the division and not see them as huge favorites.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Blue-tinted glasses
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by Pure Azure on Dec 28, 2011 12:04 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I’m not entirely sure what third-order wins are, but if LAD was the best in the NL West in that, that sounds like a good thing.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
First order – Pythagorean record
Second order – Pythagorean record based on how many runs you should have scored and allowed (using EQA…and something I’m not sure about for pitchers)
Third order – adjusting for quality of competition
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Second order is what kills the D’Backs. We had a better team EQA and a better FIP so that’s how we pull ahead. No idea how the system accounts for defense though.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Did we get better?
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
11 games worth? I think Arizona improved their rotation, will get a full year of Goldy, a full year of Drew, and Upton primed for his prime.
I think we got lousier at every position except RF.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Shortstop!
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Can Dee Gordon 2012 be better then Dee Gordon 2011, no way.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
He’s got 150 PA of .197/.272/.248 to get through.
It might be a small boost.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
what do you want me to say?
awww fuck the Dodgers. they suck, they will be lucky to win 45 games this year.
basically
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I think we will be improved at LF at least and possibly 1B through some platoon. Also can’t get any worse at 3B and Dee might out-produce the combined SS line.
Arizona will be worse
Count on it. Hudson will be worse by a little, Kennedy will be a 3 fWAR player at best, Chris Young won’t have another good year, and I think Upton has an off year.
I think I get at least 75% of these right.
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I made many proclamations of the Giants demise last offseason
I don’t feel nearly as confident about AZ tanking.
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I see it as a 90 win team, not a great team, but 90 wins should be good enough to win the division.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
I humbly reply that I’m smarter then most Arizona fans.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Arizona has a pattern
I feel incredibly confident about this prediction.
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Chris Young has a year and a half of being good again
its not like he is Torres who only had a year and a half after spending most of his youth in the minors. Upton is a beast, and even if hudson and Kennedy regress a little they seem like they can easily get better in other spots.
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Chris Young has been really inconsistent, and I think his 2012 will be the bad year in this cycle. Upton is coming off a really good year, but something is telling me he will do worse, though I’m sure he’ll still be good. Their rotation might have gotten better, but I see growing pains for the rookies in the rotation, and mediocrity for Cahill.
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I don't see how he has been so inconsesting
he had a couple solid years, a down year where he wasn’t that terrible, and then 2 really good ones.
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Yep, at this point you have to figure him for slightly above average offense for a CF, above average defense, and base running. That’s a ball player.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
I hadn't realized how good his last 2 years were
I was going off of memories of the first few years of his career.
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That is always the best way to make prognostications
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
You would be correct in saying he may have finally put it all together
but 3 of his first 4 seasons (one of them was above average) were just not good at all, that low OBP was killing him. If he can keep it up he will be a good player.
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He has had a good bat since his 2nd year in the league
and he had a bad fielding year in 2008. Other then that I honestly have no idea what you are talking about
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http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3882&position=OF
His 90, 91, and then 82 RC+ his first 3 full years maybe? 73 RC+ in limited time in 2006 as well.
He did nothing with his bat positively until 2010.
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seriously?
rc+? What the fuck is that? Ugh, I’m exiting this convo.
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i'll just say he has averaged something like 3+ war ofver the last 4 years
everything before that is meaningless to me when predicting the future.
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wRC+ is basically OPS+ weighted properly. It’s a good stat.
Chris Young wasn’t very good offensively until 2010. Now he is good offensively, not too controversial.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
I suppose I wasn't park adjusting
I’m still tired of advanced stats
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All I know is that if you are on arguing on my side, I should take a long look at the side I’m on:)
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
That's why I'm astonished whenever I randomly get someone on my side
:)
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calm it down a little bit
How about his wOBAs?
.303
.331
.329
.314
.354
.330
The only good year with the bat was 2010, he had a few average years, 1 bad year, and 1 30 game bad stretch in 2006.
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.330 in 2011 is just fine for a CF.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
I figured around .330 was around average
he was 14/21 qualified CF this year, which is shocking because CFers kicked a ton of ass this year.
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Over the last 3 years he is 17th out of qualified CF with a .334
He’s definitely improved from what I thought he was.
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Considering offense and defense, I can see the Dodgers as better at C, 2B, SS as well. If we get Jim Loney and serviceable Uribe, add Hairston and spot use of Kennedy and I’m guessing we have improved production.
Or everybody gets hurt and we win 70 games.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 28, 2011 12:12 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
even if his defense is better
I don’t think Ellis is going to be better then Carrol was last year.
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It sure was frustrating watching Carroll not being able to drive the ball though.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 28, 2011 12:36 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Its going to be more frustrating watching Ellis suck at offense completely
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If Ellis can post his career average OBP of .330 and play plus defense, I’ll be satisfied
by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Unfortunately he came nowhere near that last year.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
His babip was low though so i expect some increase in BA
by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
You’ll be optimistic in spring training.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 28, 2011 12:52 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Oh we are still going to win the division
but on the bats of Kemp Etheir Sands Loney and Gordon, and the defense of Ellis and Uribe.
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Catcher? You a believer in AJ Ellis?
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
YES
Unleash the AJ! On-base magic awaits, and pitchers like him. FedEx in the wings. No Navarro this year.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 28, 2011 12:34 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Goth Punk Rape Goth Punk Rape
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by Pure Azure on Dec 28, 2011 12:53 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
You don’t believe in Sands who helped us that solid Sept with his Sept
You don’t believe in Gordon who helped us to the solid Aug/Sept
You dont’ believe in Loney who helped us to the solid Aug/Sept
You must believe Juan Rivera is a RBI machine.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Optimistic with the homers maybe, but he went .288/.339/.416 and I guess .270/.340/.440 Had the OBP pegged and the slugging was an extra couple doubles turned homers away from being dead on. :)
You’d been great if you had not added the home runs
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
I think I understand why professional prognosticators stay so vague with their predictions.
by G.Scott on Dec 28, 2011 11:24 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Colts QB Dan Orlovsky is a new parent — of tripets.
He can spend lots of time with his new kids since Indy isn’t going to the playoffs.
A rare completion, I see
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 28, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
he is one of the richest guys to never be a successful starter
that wasn’t a first round pick
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Who you go on Friday?
Brock or Overeem
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Overeem for me. Brock is pretty overrated.
by silverwidow on Dec 28, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Although he did some good matches in the WWE. :)
by silverwidow on Dec 28, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
I’m picking Overeem as well. Pretty well-rounded fighter. K-1 champion, Strikeforce Champion, etc.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
On the other hand, the best fighter he’s looked good against is Todd Duffee.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Yep. I’ll almost always pick the better wrestler. If Brock can get in before Overeem punches him he’ll win.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Wild Card Weekend
Potential for two blowouts:
Broncos vs. Ravens/Steelers
Saints vs. Lions/Falcons
NO looks absolutely dominant right now. Looking forward to them for SF in the 2nd round.
Agreed, would much rather see the Raiders in there.
by silverwidow on Dec 28, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
I could see the Raiders and Broncos getting in, and Raiders would be better off getting the wild card
yes. Not saying they would win either way, but I’d think the Raiders would rather play the injury-ridden Texans than the Steelers
Keep in mind most of the injuries have been there most of the season
AJ will be healthy for the playoffs. We are missing our starting right guard now. TJ QBed us to wins against 2 playoff teams(bengals and falcons)
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Is Rofleburger going to be able to go in the playoffs?
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
The one half of football that Yates got to throw to AJ
AJ put up 90+ yards. Man I’m excited for the playoffs.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Been there, did that. Can Al Davis die again for more inspiration?
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
I remember the last time the Saints were a sure thing to blow out their opponent in the Wild Card round….
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Haha, I remember that. But they’re in the Dome now…
by silverwidow on Dec 28, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
You doing a playoff Survivor Pool?
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
I'd like to do that again
This time the eagles can’t screw me! :)
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Hadn’t thought about that. Don’t think you can do a survivor pool since there’s not enough weeks (you’d end up with more than 1 person winning) but I might do the kind of pool you did for the MLB playoffs.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
How much would the group pay for a Super Bowl Pool 100 Squares?
5
10
15
20
25
My preference is 20, go big or go home but I’m curious.
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I
Would do $20 but the most squares I would play is 2
by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2011 11:44 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
That's per square?
I’d rather do 10, but wouldn’t turn down 20.
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Would the new owner fire Ned midseason
or is Ned’s job guaranteed for most of the season if the sale doesn’t happen before april?
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pretty sure the agreement says
McCourt must completely divest himself of the team by April
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 28, 2011 11:52 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
My first prediction for 2012 – Ned will not last the season no matter who the owner is.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
how soon you forget
you made a Jim Loney call up there somewhere
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
I will
Take that bet. The usual amount?
by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2011 11:55 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Cookies?
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
I will wager a tray of Pecan Pie Bars
Against one large premium beer at the Stadium
by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2011 11:59 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Pecan Pie Bars quality as “the shit”
that good
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Sounds good
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
I will say if Ned signs Prince Fielder, I allow myself to renege on this bet.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
I do too
I think Ned is the GM of the Dodgers for Game 162
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Cool, no fun to make a bet people agree with
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
On one hand a new owner might not want to immediately rock the ship, but on the other hand I don’t know if a new owner would want Ned acquiring more relievers at the deadline.
I think a new owner could/would make Ned sit on his hands. I just don’t see a new owner coming in and immediately shit-canning Ned. I think Ned has done a good job framing the conversation such that all the blame goes to Frank and he gets the credit.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Probably depends on if rich guy is accompanied by a baseball ops guy like Kasten. Then I think Ned be gone for sure
Yeah, that’s a good point. Depends on the team under the money man.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
If one prospective owner is already lining up architects for Dodger Stadium I expect they are also lining up baseball architects. It is possible Ned survives the season but he’s a dead man walking as soon as the deal is done.
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
so
This would be someone not currently employed?
by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2011 12:07 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
didn't
Jim Bowden last a while with Kasten?
by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2011 12:04 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Then again, Kasten would likely be the team president or something similar and not actually making deals. Maybe he has a guy in mind or in place on the team as the Jed to his Theo, maybe he doesn’t
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Rich guy is going to buy the team, see a 1/2 empty stadium, no money coming in, and say GTFO immediately
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
I hate the internet
I want to know nothing about the person who buys the Dodgers, so much easier to like them that way
Any rich dude who buys the team buys it with a whole army of skeletons in his closet
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
+ 1
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
by Pure Azure on Dec 28, 2011 12:27 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
How much of the season does he see though?
does he make it to the all star break?
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Seriously? I would think we would have to be awful, like in last place by a good amount for that to happen midseason.
Yes, yes we would
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Is that a variety of pear, or a celebrity gay couple?
by berkowit28 on Dec 28, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So, a celebrity couple store for pears. I don’t think l I’m familiar with “Favorite” “Royal Riviera” as varieties either. They both have R for Registered – are they brand names, not varieties? I puzzled for a while why some of those pears seemed to be pared in the photos – then realized they are just wrapped with signature wrapping.
can you imagine the insurance policy that place carries?
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
I remember
Outdoor trampolines at miniature golf courses
by bhsportsguy on Dec 28, 2011 12:05 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I remember a trampoline court behind a liquor store at the corner of Arbor Vitae and la Cienega. Fun for the kids and the parents.
by jim hitchcock (railway) on Dec 28, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
I’m in for this, who is going with me?
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
I love Dodge Ball – not enough to play in an adult Dodge Ball league, but enough to play once with you guys on these trampolines
I will try to hurt and maim – it will be fun
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
G Scott with a Dodge Ball in his hands, could be lethal
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
I regret that my right arm is now a noodle
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
rooney is an asshat
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
From the Houston site (they are open)
Everyone who is going to jump must have a signed liability waiver. If a jumper is under the age of 18, the parent or legal guardian of the minor must fill out the Sky Zone waiver. Waivers for birthdays and group reservations are only valid the day of the event and are not entered into our system. Once a valid Sky Zone waiver has been entered into the POS system, jumpers do not need to bring another waiver for a period of 1 year. However, previous jumps at Sky Zone do not ensure that your waiver will be on file.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Says they are building new ones in the San Fernando Valley and Glendale
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
That really doesn’t look any more or less fun than jumping on a single trampoline.
by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
In case you were having trouble coming up with your New Year's resolutions
you can use Woodie Guthrie’s from 70 years ago, from Gothamist:
I enjoyed “change socks” and “bank all extra money.”
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 12:19 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
wash teeth if any
is gold
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
This is something I’d expect Josie to post
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
She would have spelled Woody correctly the first time.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Josie is busy on a Cal-induced Holiday.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
When do they play?
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Help win war - beat fascism
Woody Guthrie was the best
by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Didn’t Sartre first write this? or was it Camus?
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 28, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
So trite, for two months he was Albert
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by meercatjohn on Dec 28, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Even with his horrible 2010
Kemp is still the most valuable CF in baseball over the last 3 seasons according to fWAR. Awesome
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Finally watched Moneyball yesterday
I liked it as a baseball movie, but I can’t see how any non-baseball fan would enjoy it (and I read a number of reviews that said they would). I found the minor points of unbelievability not to be a big deal. I thought a couple things were odd, though: (1) Beane seemed not to care about defense at all, which seems pretty anti-sabr to me (2) I get that they tried to make the Carlos Pena trade look like he was just sticking it to Art Howe, but that really was a bad trade for the A’s (3) No mention of Miguel Tejada and his MVP season to help the team?
Number 3 is biggest to me
Hardly a mention/look at Miguel Tejada and Hudson/Zito/Mulder
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
and i’m pretty sure i remember someone else mentioning this before, but…Raul Ibanez is black?!
by court168627 on Dec 28, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Miguel Tejada was two different guys in the movie.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 28, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
The biggest myth Moneyball created is that those teams won because of cute moves Beane made like Scott Hatteberg and Chad Bradford, not that they had Chavez/Tejada/Mulder/Hudson/Zito.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t quite see what that has to do with anything but take a gamble on the big hurt and play 7 games above your pythag?
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
Hell I’m looking at the team and I’m still not sure how they won.
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by regfairfield on Dec 28, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
at least with the movie the big thing
isn’t that the team is completely terrible but that they just lost 3 really good players who they had to replace but had no money to do so.
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Pena sucked for a while after that trade too. It was a long time between Pena the A and Pena the 50 HR slugging Devil Ray.
No mention of Tejada is weird, but him being a superstar doesn’t really advance the narrative that Beane built the team from scratch. In the book the, “you don’t walk your way off the island” line was about Tejada and his refusal to take a walk.
by Michael White on Dec 28, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Saw it quite a while back now
I thought it was plenty entertaining and well made, though I was prepared to put aside things I know think I know about baseball going in.
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by David Young on Dec 28, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
That was my experience as well. Enjoyed it as a movie, wasn’t turned off as a baseball snob :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 28, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
As a baseball fan and non-snob, my wife enjoyed the movie. She also remarked that watching Brad Pitt for two hours wasn’t terribly difficult.
When we were watching the World Series, I got to drop the “manager of the Rangers is the character that says the ’it’s incredibly hard’ line in Moneyball”, so there’s that too.
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I love that over the last 3 years
Pujols has a sub 10 K%, and only Kotchman, Loney, and Butler have below 14 besides Pujols in that time.
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http://tracking.si.com/2011/12/28/red-sox-acquire-closer-andrew-bailey-from-athletics/
Josh Reddick to the A’s for Andrew Bailey.
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