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Juan Uribe TBLA Community Projection Review


Eric Stephen did the Juan Uribe preview in 2011

His most telling quote:

But what if Uribe isn't an upgrade, or a marginal one at best? Remember, Uribe spent his age 25-28 years hitting .241/.284/.409, a 77 OPS+ with the White Sox. He does have a career on-base percentage of .2998, after all. There is the fear that Uribe could revert to his almost-out-of-baseball status at any time.

Year Age PA HR Runs RBI BA OBP SLG wOBA
2008
29 353 7 38 40 .247 .296 .386 .296
2009
30 432 16 50 55 .289 .329 .495 .351
2010
31 575 24 64 85 .248 .310 .440 .322
2011
32 295 4 21 28 .204 .264 .293 .250
2011 Projections - Age 32 Season



Year
PA HR Runs RBI BA OBP SLG
Bill James
537 19 59 69 .243 .296 .410
Marcel
531 18 58 68 .256 .311 .434
Baseball HQ
482 17 55 68 .260 .311 .436
ZiPS
510 20 53 66 .239 .288 .426

We all know Uribe suffered through an injury plagued season of under Hollywood Bridge urine proportion. Did anyone see that coming? Not the experts, shockingly they expected the same production in 2011 as he delivered in 2012 with slight dips in OB and Slug.

How did our community do?

Star-divide

Michael White was extremely optimistic: .267/.320/.450 in 560 plate appearances

Eric not as optimistic but still in the camp that Uribe was more then useful: 257/.316/.444 with 21 home runs

Tripon felt Uribe would replace Casey Blake just fine: .248/.320/.407 for 2011.

Kinbote: .262/.305/.411 19 HR. His defense regresses.

Even Andrew bit into the Uribe vibe though he did it with humor: .260/.300/.445 25 home runs, 32 RBI.

Wineraquet might win for most optimistic given his OB projection: 255, 20 HR’s and 355 OBP

David Young was two years late:

Uribe 2011

.254 / .299 / .421 17 HR, 110 games at 2B, 8 SS, and 35 at 3B.

Uribe 2013
His rapid decline will be difficult to watch.

I'm a bit surprised no one went with total failure given how many of the community were not happy with the move. Based on the comments this winter it sounds like the community is expecting a bounceback for Juan. That is easy, when you are the worst player in baseball you can count on a bounceback just as you can count on some regression from the best player in baseball. For the Dodgers, the big question is how much of a bounceback will Uribe have? Back to his White Sox days when he was still lousy, or all the way back to his very useful Giant days? Even before the injuries, Juan was a free swinging mess. Can time cure that?

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Uribe is going to be the NL MVP

of mid june

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 9:25 AM PST reply actions  

leading the team

In eleventh inning doubles

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 9:30 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

While leading the team in

jazz hands

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

He will play a decent 3rd base, with a few games mixed in at 2nd. Everyone on the team will appear to like him a lot. Everyone here will hate him. He will hit 10 home runs.

by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 29, 2011 9:28 AM PST reply actions  

Giant TTO sluggers tend to be fine, then completely fall of the map and never recover.

Juan Uribe is a two true outcome guy, he’s done.

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by regfairfield on Dec 29, 2011 9:28 AM PST reply actions  

Just curious who these are

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Dunn, Burrell, Sexson, Nevin, Greg Vaughn, Mo Vaughn…

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by regfairfield on Dec 29, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh, I misunderstood. I thought when you said Giant, you meant San Francisco Giants.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

The Off The Cliff Posse

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 9:46 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

But we’re not done with him!

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 9:31 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

It's hard to think anyone could be worse than his career numbers
I’m a bit surprised no one went with total failure given how many of the community were not happy with the move.

But he and Andruw Jones have shown me anyone can fucking suck at any time, so it’s hard to bet against sucking now for some players.

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 9:29 AM PST reply actions  

He is lousy

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 9:31 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Andruw Jones has increased his OPS every year since he left us, all the way back to the mid 800’s.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

We should have converted Andre to first base….

/trolling

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

and move Loney to third!

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

We’d still have a 1b who can’t hit lefties.

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by Pure Azure on Dec 29, 2011 9:39 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Or at least played Andre there 5-6 times

Hell, he could’ve won a gold glove at two positions!

/RafaelPalmeiroGGer

by EMDarrow on Dec 29, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

In limited playing time

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Which pisses me off even more

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Someone other then Ned figured out he couldn’t hit right handers anymore and put him in a position to succeed instead of fail. Peter Brand definitely would have figured this out.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I think we bailed on him too soon

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I doubt we really saved that much money from deffering his contract

but I could be wrong

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ve always maintained that if Jones had been good enough in 2008 that we never trade for Manny Ramirez and the 2008 team never does enough damage to make the playoffs.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes I remember this argument :)

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Alex Tamin gave him a crash course on the wonderful world of splits.

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by Pure Azure on Dec 29, 2011 9:41 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

BILLY BEAN DOESN'T CARE ABOUT MATCHUPS

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Not when Bradford is pitching!

Saw Moneyball last night at the $2 theatre in Irvine. Good comic timing, restrained drama, the tone was right in keeping with the theme of cerebral rethinking of the game. They did a good job.

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by Pure Azure on Dec 29, 2011 9:47 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

+1

I liked it. I really thought it’d be a waste of time as a movie, but it was pretty good.

by EMDarrow on Dec 29, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I know where I’m going for next Tuesday!

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Peter Brand would have seen this coming.

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 29, 2011 9:36 AM PST via Android app reply actions  

He would have been so cute and cherubic while doing so too

by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 29, 2011 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

just read

The Astros are interviewing Keith Law for a FO position

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 9:43 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

That would be cool, we could call the Astro’s the Lawmen if they ever amount to jack.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

and if they continue to suck

we can just call them the Lawmen of Reno 911.

by EMDarrow on Dec 29, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Nothing against Ryan Madsen but I’m loving the fact he’s still out there after almost being the first and worst signing of the winter.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 9:47 AM PST reply actions  

You know Ned wants him bad

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Guess the Clippers are not going undefeated.

Is San Antonio better suited for the 66 game season because they probably need no preseason since they have all been playing together since Bobby was wearing diapers, or less so because of the age factor and the tight schedule?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

yes

maybe
no
ask again in 6 months

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

the Lakers are old and started super slow without Bynum. The Spurs won that game that one time over he Clipps. We know nothing

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Not sure either comment has anything to do with my question

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

it’s really a fluffed up version of NoLa’s comment

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought you aspired to more than “fluffer”.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

he’s been missed

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

bow chicka wow wow

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Everyone has to get their start somewhere

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

same 5 starters, same coach

Equals hit the ground running

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 9:52 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Apparently Duncan took his fitness regimen seriously this offseason for the first time, according to one pundit/insider.

So what, he became the greatest player of his era by eating Doritos?

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by Pure Azure on Dec 29, 2011 9:57 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Shaq did, so did Barkley.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

high five

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

It worked for shaq

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Not knowing what Duncan did differently, I read about how Zach Randolph changed his off-season regimen a few off-seasons ago. It’s not that these guys don’t work out in the off-season. Zach did quite a bit. But his work-out schedule in the off-season was just playing a ton of basketball during the summer. At the gym everyday playing pickup games and stuff like that. Two years ago he got away from that and started working with a trainer and it was focused on weights and running. He ended up dropping a bunch of weight and turned in his two best seasons the past two years (All Star team, all NBA and a playoff run where he’s the star.)

A lot of times these elite atheletes just do their own thing, but simply tweaking how they train in the off-season can pay some pretty big dividends. Physically, Duncan looked great last night.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Just look at kemp!

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

So this is what Juan Uribe is doing this off season too?

by 68elcamino427 on Dec 29, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

He’s going to come back and shock you all by leading the teams in BB%

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I wish

if he did that I would love him, but I’m sure we would hvae seen some fluff from his agent if that was the case

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

“Best shape of my life.”

“You look like a pear.”

“Exactly. I love pears.”

by EMDarrow on Dec 29, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Ned told him too. Seriously. Ned said he flat out told him he needed to be in better shape

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 10:06 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

It worked for Ronnie Belliard?

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by regfairfield on Dec 29, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

"better"

We’ll see

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I mean whats Ned going to do?

NOT pay him? Eat his contract and trade him to the Pirates?

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

shrink his uniform

So his belly sticks out

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 10:09 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

about that...

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Best shape of his life

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by Pure Azure on Dec 29, 2011 10:12 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Shawn Kemp

is an example of what NOT to do.

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by Pure Azure on Dec 29, 2011 10:13 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I think we all know what Kemp’s cardio routine consisted of…

by fbihop on Dec 29, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of Barkley, WOW on the Weight Watcher commercials.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:01 AM PST reply actions  

So Apple is going to start making TV’s?
From a Motely Fool article related to Disney and Apple, with Steve Jobs being Disney’s largest single shareholder when Disney acquired Pixar.

However, a rumored component of Apple’s 2012 entry into making actual TVs will be a Web-based service where customers can choose which cable stations they want. Disney has carved a cozy living with ESPN included in most cable packages, even if subscribers don’t care for sports. It has also been able to wedge a bundle of lightly watched kid channels with its namesake Disney Channel. If consumers can actually cherry pick the channels they want, cable networks won’t be happy.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:08 AM PST reply actions  

They already "make" monitors

the hard part is already done for them, they can just buy the display from someone else and stick it in their own box.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m more intrigued by the Web base service and cherry picking your Cable Stations. This is what we all want, it has been amazing to me that this has not happened before.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Going that route what stations would you purchase?
Fox Sports One and Two
ESPN
MLBTV
Food Network
Discovery
HBO
History
TCM
Sundance

I think I’m done.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

HBO has gone on record in the last month

as saying they will not do this.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Not a deal breaker for me

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

sure

but their attitude is shared by most companies imho, and they are one channel that I certainly think could make a killing by going this route. I never have subscribed to HBO but if I could do it without being tied to a cable provider would give it a shot.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m going to have to check my Hulu Plus stations or Roku stations. Seems to me I don’t need anything but the Sports Stations for my local teams.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Using Roku, it is no problem.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't believe you

If you can get house hunters on there let me know, but I’m 90 percent sure there is a ton of content that cannot be streamed to any device thats not a PC.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Okay, I can only say it has had every show I’ve been interested in watching.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, but you're weird

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Says the man who wants to watch House Hunters?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

My wife does

or did at least.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s a legitimate reason.

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by regfairfield on Dec 29, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Concur

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

HBO isn't part of your basic cable package

which means they only get paid when someone opts specifically for their package. Right now ESPN gets sweatheart deals with the cable companies that for every subscriber to the basic package they get X dollars, even if that person never ever ever watches ESPN. Those deals go away if ESPN starts offering their services alacart. They would have to charge a lot I think to make up the difference.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

But maybe I’d get ESPN3 (I currently don’t) like I get HBO GO now.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

That said, it’s very rare that there’s something I want to watch on ESPN3.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Its great for soccer honks

but yeah I don’t use it much.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m confused. They’re the only one of those he listed that you now have the option to either buy or not.

Or do you mean that they won’t let you buy HBO East and that’s it? Now it includes HBO East and West, HBO 2 East and West, HBO Zone and HBO Spanish.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Unless they try to claim this isn't a streaming service

which it clearly is. from sbnation sister site theverge

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

AMC


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

My wife would riot without AMC or TMC even though I’ve mentioned enough times that every movie she watches can be streamed when ever she wants.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

My wife used the shit out of the DVR while we had it

now that we don’t booting it up through Hulu to get the same content is just something she has declined to do. She isn’t angry… yet, but we’ll see how long that lasts.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

don’t get me started on the pointless use of the DVR

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

OMG WE HAVE TO WATCH THIS SHOW I WOULD NEVER CARE ABOUT OTHERWISE

OR IT WILL BE ERASED OF THE DVR.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

as opposed to the pointful uses of the DVR.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Your wife does not record stuff she never plans to watch but you can’t delete?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

no

i have that under control

by delias man on Dec 29, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Pointless?

Could be for some people I guess. I record 4 or 5 shows that I never watch when they are actually on, so I can watch them whenever I feel like it. I get a ton of use out of mine.

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

You are not getting his point.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

twss

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

He’s not married

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

My parents regularly DVR movies they actually own DVDs of, simply because they find the DVR easier to use. Even in many cases, recording movies off TV with commercials intact.

by EMDarrow on Dec 29, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

streaming will never catch on!

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm like that too

I’ll watch a movie if its on, even if i have the dvd, just because I don’t feel like going and putting the DVD on. Plus I feel like with it on tv i can do other things instead, with a DVD i feel like i’m committing 2 hours to the movie.

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I need AMC

solely because of Mad Men and Breaking Bad.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Both available on Hulu Plus via Roku – right Nolander:)

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Not for the current season. I don’t like to live my life in fear of spoilers.

That said, I didn’t watch either show from the beginning, so I got into them by streaming them from Netflix.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Hulu Plus, one day late, not a one season late.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

8 days

and then you can’t stream it to your tv unless its on fox

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

thats not entirely true

nbc too!

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ve found Netflix streaming content to be spotty. The Swedish Tatoo was nice to watch, on the IPad mind you, while on the couch:)

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

whatever channel the dodgers are on

bravo(for the love of my life)
Food Network(again for the love of my life)
HBO maybe sorta maybe not

no that’s it. I can get the local channels from an antenna just fine.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

They like the big fat guaranteed checks from the cable companies

it doesn’t surprise me one bit, but it does frustrate the hell out of me. We’ll see if they actually get cable stations anyone wants, and how rediculiously priced they will be if they do.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Powerful entities hate competition.

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by Pure Azure on Dec 29, 2011 10:16 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

successful entities thrive on it

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Cable companies are SO unsuccessful

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

don’t you think competition has made them better?

do you remember cable before DirecTV? Before the internet?

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Which is why everyone is playing so fairly

when it comes to streaming.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

no one wants to compete, but the best companies are better for it

what does fair have to do with anything?

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

honestly its impossible to talk about this in any real depth

without getting into politics

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Verizon, ATT, and Time Warner Cable are unsuccessful?

If you’re really getting technical about it both Verizon and ATT are considered phone companies, not necessarily cable companies, but they do tv as well.

Directv is really the only satellite company that’s any good. Dish Network has nothing special about it, a shitty on demand section, and their layout for menus is just dull.

But there are always people out there who:
A) Don’t want 2 year contracts
B) Hate having a dish on their house
C) People who live in apartment complexes that don’t allow dishes to be put up

Satellite companies will never fully dominate the TV market with so many other options out there and for the 3 reasons above.

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

The real question though

is how long will it take them to release the white version for everyone to go gaga over?

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

For the Man or Woman

who have everything but nowhere to put them. I present the Scottie Vest

Cool concept, they actually have an Ipad Pocket, holes in each pocket for the ear buds, and more pockets and more pockets for every possible gadget currently in use.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:24 AM PST reply actions  

I'm not a fan of vests

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I like it

I wear sport coats when traveling for two reasons
1. the better you look, the better you are treated
2. pockets

um and 3. sometimes I go from the plane to a meeting, but even wear sportcoats when I am flying on vacation

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Traveling with a pocket on your chest is underrated. I’ve made a point to travel with button down shirts for that reason.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, the demise of the pocket was a crazy bad trend. Internal pockets are must have as far as I’m concerned for any coat, vest, jacket.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

A good sports coat

and nice overcoat are necessities for the business traveler.

by bhsportsguy on Dec 29, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Going to the snow? They look nice and warm

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

You’re all set for TBLA Antartica night.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

ha ha

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

sounds like any winter event in the valley then

by delias man on Dec 29, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Sometimes you need to pull out that gun, just to keep them on their toes.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I just have a hard time remembering that my jackets DO have pockets

because I’m not used to it.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

For Tripon’s theory that the IPad will be with everyone as they go through their everyday tasks, it will take an IPad pocket to help that momentum. Parents can’t hold their childs hand in one hand, their coffee in the other, and the Ipad between the butt cheeks. Something has to give.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:38 AM PST reply actions  

trust me. the kid carries the ipad from the moment they are physically able

by delias man on Dec 29, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

They don’t seem to be indestructible, are they?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

no

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

but really, what does an iPad do anyway?

how many toys, and how much time for toys, can a declining economy support anyway

When do people work?

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

but really, what does an iPad Notebook do anyway?

how many toys, and how much time for toys, can a declining economy support anyway

When do people work?

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

yes, I see so many people working (like real work, where you get paid for the effort) on the ipad

it is an office productivity revolution

it is a wonder we ever used keyboards at all

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

theres an attachment for that!

The Asus Prime is a better example really, it plus keyboard dock are about 2.5 pounds. Pretty nifty.

As to doing work on it, well, obviously we are in different fields but I can tell you there are lots of GIS customers going gaga over it.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

It is weird what is driving technology these days. When I started working, the cutting edge computer was on my office desk (well, the terminal was, the computer itself was in its own frigid room). Now the cutting edge computer is in my pocket and called a “phone”.

As a guy who writes software and uses computer applications, I look forward to an iPad / iPhone type interface on my work computer. Of course, I really want wall-sized displays for this too…..


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

windows 8 has you covered

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I recently got a Playbook mostly because it was cheap and I liked the size and I’ve found I actually like it a lot more than iPad. The size is perfect and the performance is great.

The only thing it doesn’t have right now is the millions of Android/Apple apps, but 1) I don’t really care that much and 2) the next software update is supposedly going to allow it to work with android apps and store.

by BFDC on Dec 29, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

My company is still running XP. I’ll be retired by the time they get to 8. Also not looking forward to the unswipe-able blue screen of death.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Us to. Out of 50 workstations, only the workstations purchased in the last three years has Windows 7. So about five:)

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

my company is actually

all on W7, and Office 2010. It’s unusual for me to be current at work.

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by mleadman on Dec 29, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Habing said that

our wifi sucks and we don’t have vpn, only Citrix access for remote.

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by mleadman on Dec 29, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

gotomypc

Citrix seems to have purchased all the remote access sites.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Evidently, XP is the most stable Windows thus far. We’re still running it for AutoCad 10 and 11, but I’ve got Windows 7 at home and it seems to be OK. (The IT guys at work are superstitious, and if it fails once, they dump it.)

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by iiidown on Dec 29, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve never had problems with Windows 7.

by fbihop on Dec 29, 2011 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty much all of management at my company uses it as a note taking device.

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by regfairfield on Dec 29, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

So many companies want it because its a shiny new toy

with no clear reason as to why they need to spend a ton of money on them. They have their uses, but people need to cool their jets

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I think they’re using their personal ones mostly. It definitely has its use as a computer you can walk around all day with.

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by regfairfield on Dec 29, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Sure

but I know my wifes company is running out to buy a bunch of them for their field techs even though they have perfectly fine laptops and I’m pretty sure all their going to end up with is a bunch of broken ipads.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I find it to be amazing, but still not something I’d take with me anywhere that would involve me carrying it.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Until I get my Scottie Vest:)

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

The only use I would have for one would be for travel and surfing while on the couch

and thats not worth the 6 bazillion dollars they cost

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

you can’t surf on a couch, unless you’re on a houseboat

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

if you are surfing on a houseboat, not only are you doing it wrong, but that boat is in trouble

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm one of the few I guess

who don’t consider the ipad cost prohibitive. And I’m no Bazillionaire

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by mleadman on Dec 29, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

When I compare it to a laptop

it seems really expensive.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

we have not dropped it off the roof yet

by delias man on Dec 29, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

That chick from Bridesmaids think they can

you just need some tape

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You keep the iPad in a carry on case like a purse, or satchel. Or you let your child hand free. Choices will be made.

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

iHands

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 10:40 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

Oh, I like this. Something around the waist with hands?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

not unlike

Doc Ock :)

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 10:45 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I’ve expected a Doc Ock for a while now. Seems doable, the 21st century human simply needs more then two hands.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

they only need to figure out how to tap directly into the brain

should be easy

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

If they would let us experiment on prisoners and the poor this type of research would go much much faster.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

until the chip shorts out

THEN THEY ARE IN UR BRAINZZZZ!!!!!

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 10:52 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

How many of you’s new year resolution will be “don’t waste time on blogs and do something productive with my life”?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:44 AM PST reply actions  

no and yes

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Way to take a stance :P

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

i did on half of it

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

“Wear clean socks”

by Eric Stephen on Dec 29, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Loved that list.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

the idea of wearing dirty socks

… ugh

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I basically re-wear my socks until the dog sniffs my feet and passes out. That is my sign.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

you disgust me

I guess its because I wore sandals through much of high school, so when I would work 8 hours being forced to wear socks there was no greater triumpth then being able to finally take them off. Maybe I just have extra sweaty feet

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m always shocked when anyone believes anything I say that is clearly over the top.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

even if its 1 percent true...

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I rewear socks because I’m too damn lazy to do laundry. But I’m in the ivory tower. All I ever do is sit on things and walk between things that I sit on, so my socks are not sweaty and my hands are not calloused.

by court168627 on Dec 29, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/12/california-supreme-court-redevelopment-agency-ruling.html

Looks like California’s redevelopment agencies are dead. Which means that any new stadiums built (The A’s San Jose stadium, the new NFL stadium, or any possible new stadium for the Dodgers/Angels) will probably have a tougher time to be built.

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 11:12 AM PST reply actions  

Heads up Verizon users

@BreakingNews: Verizon Wireless to start charging $2 ‘convenience fee’ for bills paid online or over phone

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 11:21 AM PST reply actions  

Businesses love competition.

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by regfairfield on Dec 29, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

that sounds like someone who doesn't know

how to pull themselves up by their bootstraps

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah thats bonkers

sprint is going to start charging customers 2 dollars who DON’T pay their bills online

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

how is that going to work? After you mail it in, you get a postcard saying you owe us two bucks or we’re going to slash your tires?

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

No, its part of the bill in the first place and is denoted as such.

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

If you don't go to electronic billing and cancel your paper bill

they tack it on I imagine

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Probably like how my bank does it: Force you to go online and sign up for “paperless statements” or else get charged monthly.

by court168627 on Dec 29, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

you get a postcard saying you owe us two bucks or we’re going to turn off your phone.

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by regfairfield on Dec 29, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

thank you for responding to my humor with humor : )

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

That is better at least

I wonder when ATT will start screwing me.

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

The “convenience charge” is the shittiest grift in business. I hate it. If something is more convenient for everyone, why not just shake the customer down for a couple extra dollars?

by court168627 on Dec 29, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

My favorite one is that Ticketmaster charges you to print out tickets for yourself.

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by regfairfield on Dec 29, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I haven’t used Ticketmaster in years, but I remember trying to buy tickets through them when I was in high school and there was literally no way to avoid the convenience charge. I tried buying online, over the phone, and in person and every method charged a fee. It was all too convenient!

by court168627 on Dec 29, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah

its crazy, I thought I would save a ton by going in person and they still slapped a convenience fee on me.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

You guys want a service but no one wants to pay for the service.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Does anyone actually want Ticketmaster instead of just buying tickets directly?

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by regfairfield on Dec 29, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

no

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Because they were just too cool and righteous to charge less more than 25 bucks for a show. Now Eddie Vedder charges >65 for his solo shows.

by court168627 on Dec 29, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m sure venues were able to distribute tickets to people before ticketmaster existed.

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by regfairfield on Dec 29, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

demand has changed though, as have the methods of distribution. This isn’t a bunch of teenagers lining up outside a concert hall in Erie, PA

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Before Ticketmaster/Ticketron you had to go to the venue box office to buy/choose tickets. That sure was convenient. Mail order would work for some things.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Not back in the day.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

It is now all in one Ticketmaster database.

I could be wrong but back in the day, Tickettron had so many tickets in their system , the Dodgers themselves had so many tickets. You walked up to Dodger Ticket office and each little Ticket Kiosk had their own tickets which they just handed to you. Now they will print the ticket from the Ticket Master database, every Kiosk has access to every open ticket in the building.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

this is truth, even when you get on the horn and buy tickets from someone in the FO, there’s a ticketmaster fee cause it’s a ticketmaster ticket

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Back in the day

As in, before I had a credit card, buying directly meant driving down to Dodgers Stadium to buy tickets for the game (I was young and didn’t want to risk just showing up without tickets.) I tried to go to Tower Records (since they had a TicketMaster) but they didn’t sell Dodger tickets. In hindsight, I would have paid a “convenience fee” to buy from the ticketmaster near my house rather than driving down to the stadium.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I feel like Ticketmaster has to have violated numerous antitrust laws. I hate them.

by BFDC on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

THat’s precisely what Pearl Jam sued them over. And lost.

by court168627 on Dec 29, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m perfectly happy to pay for a service. Just don’t charge me extra when there’s literally no way around it.

by court168627 on Dec 29, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

did you even read his comment

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

bastards!

I’ll decide how good your service was :)

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, Ticketmaster is a service, they charge fee’s for the service, everyone uses Ticketmaster to provide tickets for their events, Ticketmaster must make money by providing this service to these events. Instead of the events paying for the Ticketmaster Service, the end user does.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Yet you can't avoid convenience fees

even if you get in your car and buy directly from the venue.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

because the venues don’t handle the ticketing. That service is subcontracted

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

so?

how the fuck is that a convenience for me?

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

You just don’t like the semantics they use. You would prefer Screwed Fee?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

They shouldn't charge the fee at all

if they need to charge more just build it into the damn ticket price.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

This is definitely one of those “it is what it is” type things for me. I have no problem paying the fees with StubHub either. That convenience is worth a fee for me.

Other than sporting events, do you guys really buy tickets all that often? I haven’t been to a concert in probably close to a decade.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Like i said, I haven’t used ticketmaster in ages, I’m just going on what I remember.

by court168627 on Dec 29, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

At least with stubhub, if you see a Dodger ticket go for pennies on the dollar, its usually worth it to pay the $5 fee.

But you’re paying full price with Ticketmaster + plus the convenience fee.

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I got 2 front row loge seats the last game of 2010 at home

for 32 bucks overall with the fees. I was a happy guy.

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice.

I’m skipping opening day because the cheapest seats are going for 60 bucks on stubhub, wheras the second game of the season (where Kershaw gets his Cy Young Award) the cheapest seats are 6 bucks.

by court168627 on Dec 29, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

too bad Kershaw won't be pitching that day

We need opening day starter Vicente Padilla!

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, that's the bummer.

but i’ll have plenty of opportunities to see Kershaw pitch this season. i wish i could afford opening day, but i can’t…someday, maybe…

by court168627 on Dec 29, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Spending premium money for an opening day following a crappy season seems pointless. You are doing the right thing by going to game two.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

you could pro’lly go to the entire freeway series and the Cy Young presentation for the same it’d cost to go to opening day and see the roster introduced

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I honest to goodness would

if the price of tickets where not driven up 15 dollars from face value. I would go, but my friends always drop out when they remember that that 30 dollar ticket is 50 bucks.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

On top of it all

The new thing that really pisses me off is that ticketmaster allows their systems to be manipulated by bots so scalpers get all the tix.

by BFDC on Dec 29, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Because the Backstreet Boys don’t tour anymore?


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I have no witty comeback for this.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I paid something like 80 dollars in extra charges for two Coachella tickets. Something tells me Ticketmaster did not put 40 bucks worth of effort into each ticket.

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by regfairfield on Dec 29, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

they are thriving on competetion

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

but seriously

i want to pay the face value of the ticket. if they want to work the cost of convenience into the price, im fine with that. but i hate showing up to buy a 25 dollar ticket and getting charged 30 dollars.

by court168627 on Dec 29, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Face value of the ticket is determined by the venue. Ticketmaster slaps on a charge because they’re handling the ticketing and they can. Ticketmaster cannot raise the face value of the ticket

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

No.

Ticketmaster’s cut is in the face value.

by court168627 on Dec 29, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

It's more honest

I might appreciate it

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

to Ticketmaster.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I remember going to the Irvine Ampitheater, or whatever it’s called now, and the folks in the ticket office were wearing ticketsnow t-shirts.

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

verizon wireless amp

the guys at house of blues don’t wear ticket anything w/es, just HOB shirts

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

No. Ticketmaster’s cut is already built into the cost of the ticket. Then they slap another fee on top of that because they know you will have to pay it.

by court168627 on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

“Venue fee?”

“It’s gotta be at a venue doesn’t it?”

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by regfairfield on Dec 29, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

There is currently a large class action suit because of this. Its just going to end in some bullshit settlement though.

by BFDC on Dec 29, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I might make 10 dollars off of it

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Yea I think I’m going to get like $25 in discount codes. Yay

by BFDC on Dec 29, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

There is a class action thing about them

where they charged something they shouldn’t have and for each purchase you get like 2 dollars back. My friend got a check for 45 bucks, but I haven’t gotten anything back yet I’m pissed! lol

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

no they still get to tcharge it

they just have to put some small print on the site now

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

i think your friend is lying

because the payment is in ticketmaster credit.

by delias man on Dec 29, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

that way they get their money back as soon as you use it

its brilliant really

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

“we can’t give you your money back, we can only let you have store credit”

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

He didn't specify

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

well you did

and you should feel bad about it

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

:(

I’m going to go think about how bad I feel

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Processing payments does cost money. I’m guessing this means those who go directly to the Verizon On Line site and make a payment compared to those who simply use BillPay and transfer a payment from their checking account to their Verizon account.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Sure it costs, but since all customers have to pay, the cost of processing payments should simply be built into the fee.

I assume that charging for some forms of payment is their way of attempting mass behavior modification in their customer base to move to the forms of payment that are most financially beneficial for the company. NTTAWWT.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Seems reasonable to me from a business standpoint.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

NTTAWWT


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

From

NYT blog:

Customers who pay with an electronic check or enroll in an automatic payment option will be exempt from the fee.
I guess they are really pushing to get people to have the automatic payment.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I feel lied to

its that way at a TON of places I have to pay bills online.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

We’re tired of collecting late fees! Convenience chargers are way cooler!

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate auto-pay. I’m scarred from the experiences of auto-pay with AOL where they charged you for a year after you said you wanted to cancel.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t mind auto-pay for a bill that is a fixed amount every month, but I dislike it for bills that vary.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m going to start a convincing fee for breathing and see how much I can get.

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

You’ll make more by accepting money for stopping your breathing. ;-)


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

dumb

and I work for them. I can understand over the phone, because time is money when you’re calling in like that. But come on, online? So stupid.

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Do they mean phone payments made through a person, or an automated phone service? For example, I pay my AT&T wireless bill by dialing *729 and it’s all automated.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

In my experience

The Automated ones are free.

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

But wait, you see, somebody gotta pay for that website with all that kooky graphics and spinning animation

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

That's true

But take this for instance:

At time warner cable, I was a sales rep, but they also had me taking techinical calls, reschedules, payments, etc… Every time I got a call that wasn’t a sales call it hurt my numbers, aka my paycheck. Not only hurt me, but every call that isn’t a sales call is money lost for the company. TWC charges a 5 dollar convenience fee for helping a customer pay their bill over the phone (the Automatic system with no human on it is free), and the rep has the ability to waive the 5 dollar fee, which I always did.

You’re definitely right that there is a designer that needs to be paid as well, but I think of it more as a job or jobs that get completed periodically and you could just keep the same design for as long as you wanted, without ever having to pay them again (i’d imagine). Whereas with live humans over the phone hourly salaries have to be paid.

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

websites don’t just appear and then work forever, there’s daily maintenance that has to happen. Do you think TBLA never undergoes any maintenance, that the new code just appears in a dream?

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Even our small company has a full time Web Developer.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

There’s a utility of the website. How much does it really cost to run a website? What is it function for? If you’re over designing something and asking your customers to directly pay for it, I would have an issue with that.

Design a more basic website if you really need to charge me $2 to fund your current one.

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

because a basic website is awesome when you’re dealing with people’s private information and financial information

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

thats not handled by the website

its handled by the backend. Yes they are different things.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

yes they are related

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I imagine there are bugs and things like that that IT guys need to fix

But those aside, something like a payment page, how often would that need to be updated? Any web designers in here with insight?

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

not often

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I am completely ignorant to how any of that works

As Phil knows this is my style! lol

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

what daily maintenance?

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno, I just known SBN has a handfull full time staff to handle the myriad of tech complaints and occasional breakdowns

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

they aren’t updating the website daily.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Verizon's

statement:

There are numerous payment options available to our customers where the fee is waived or where no fee applies. They include:

1. Electronic check online (My Verizon Online, My Verizon Mobile/Handset). Fee waived.

2. Electronic check via telephone. Fee waived.

3. Enrollment in AutoPay using credit/debit/ATM card or electronic check; fee does not apply

4. Online from the customer’s home-banking service provider website; fee does not apply.

5. Credit/debit/ATM card, electronic check or cash at a Bill Payment Kiosk, Panel or with a representative at a Verizon Wireless Communications Store; fee does not apply.

6. Use of a Verizon Wireless Gift Card or Verizon Wireless device Rebate Card to pay a bill in-store, online or by telephone; fee does not apply

7. Paper check or money order mailed to the VZW remit address on customer’s bill; fee does not apply.
Funny that they don’t want to charge a fee to handle paper checks. I’d have guessed that’s the costly option for them.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

So isn’t an electronic check what happens when you a bill on-line and provide the bank’s tracking number and your checking account number?


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Basically use a credit card, get charged because they get charged. I’m not sure why there is any commotion over this.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

like at smaller restaurants where there’s a 50 cent fee to use your credit card

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Because I’m gonna guess they don’t get charged two bucks a transaction.

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by regfairfield on Dec 29, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I think because the originally tweet is misleading and Verizon’s statement isn’t very clear. Verizon should have stated exactly what they are charging a fee for, not just what they will not charge a fee for.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

z

Mike be Billy the Kid fast

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:39 AM PST reply actions  

DAMMIT

The fucking screen auto-scroll because of a new post just as I was clicking “post” and my click hit a user name and went to their profile page. Now I’m fucked. No way to go back without losing what I typed AND the unread posts revert to something really old. Shit.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 11:41 AM PST reply actions  

happens to me all the time man

I feel ya

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree. If you’re not in the midst of posting, the auto scroll is nice. But you sure have to be careful while posting. The same thing has happened to me a couple of times.

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by latenite on Dec 29, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

the autoscroll thing happens so infrequently

I think its a bug not a feature

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

you can reload the page

and you might get lucky and get close to where you were.

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

You can still reload in cases like that and get messages as unread again

Though it may just take you back all the way to when you first came in the thread.

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

So I’m guessing the TBLA app collecting a penny a comment is not going to fly here if we call it The Commenting Convenience Fee?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:42 AM PST reply actions  

I think the Android app is great

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Half the time I can't even find the newest post

is there some other way to get directly to truebluela articles?

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah.

You have to “follow” it or something like that. All I know is it’s in my “lineup.” I just click that and it goes straigth to tbla.

by court168627 on Dec 29, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

No I did that

and the articles still don’t show. For example the christmas post never showed up. And brandon’s articles don’t always show up.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

i had a weird problem like that earlier, in that it only showed the fanposts. I think I just went back and clicked tbla againa and it fixed itself.

by court168627 on Dec 29, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

even then

until it syncs comments with the full site, the comment section is mostly useless to me unless I only use the mobile version. I still think it not going to landscape is terribad too.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

woah woah woah. Websites and apps need maintenance and updates?

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

as it is its barely useful imho

we’ll see how long it takes them to get some of these seemingly basic features into the app.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Do you have the "next unread post" button?

The iphone one started off without it and it sucked.

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

hah yeah I have that

but since it doesn’t sync with the full version its mostly useless. Might be good for game threads if I’m on the go though.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

If i've already been in a thread it sucks

but for a new thread it’s good.

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, not sure why Nolander does not like the app. It seems to do just fine if you checking in from your phone.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

how useful is that really

if I still have to go through all the comments I read on the full version?

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I assume its the same issue I have.

I don’t want a SBNation app, I want a True Blue App. I want the app to go directly to TBLA, and it doesn’t.

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

this is a big part of it too

I don’t want a million stories from different sites, I WANT TBLA. I think I’ve laid out my complaints clearly here.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

then design a TBLA app. I’m sure Eric will pay you tens of Schrute bucks

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

They don't provide an API

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll do it

But I only work for McCourt Bux

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I have to click 2 things to get to TBLA's page

Not too big of a problem

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

except for all the reasons I've laid it

outs not TBLA’s page

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

You know whats funny?

I got the happy holidays post from beyond the boxscore but never from TBLA.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I have a guess as to why that happened. There is an option to promote a post beyond the community, which is a check box and an option to provide a brief summary of the post, mostly used for SEO purposes. But I did not click that option for the Christmas post because it wasn’t a “real” post in a sense, but rather a placeholder for a couple of days.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 29, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Another mystery solved by Nancy Drew and her pudgy friend Bess!

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

So this is all your fault

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, because I did not wish the people who only read True Blue LA via the SB Nation app a Merry Christmas. :)

by Eric Stephen on Dec 29, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

This was actually my thought as well. I don’t promote posts like the TBLA Survivor Pool or game threads.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure. I like that I set my favorite teams and it scrolls through all the recent stories. But ya, I could see how getting directly to TBLA might be tough. Haven’t had a need to do that yet.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

as Court said, you put your favorite blogs in the Lineup.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

It all depends how well the convincing fee goes over.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 29, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Are the A’s the worst team in baseball right now?

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 11:48 AM PST reply actions  

no, the Scranton-Wilkes Barre Yankees are way worse

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Think they’re playing many of their home games in a ballpark in Rochester, NY sharing a field w/the hometown Rochester Red Wings.

by padrecarroeselmer on Dec 29, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Lord knows

what the convenience fee for that is.

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by mleadman on Dec 29, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Might not even be the worst in their division.

Astros and Padres are pretty clearly worse.

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by regfairfield on Dec 29, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think the Padres are bad at all.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Pitching staff is god awful, offense is relying on Nick Hundley to be any good.

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by regfairfield on Dec 29, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

We disagree

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Depends on if their recent trade acquisitions are any good at the MLB level.

by BFDC on Dec 29, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Top 5 Worst Teams (based on who wins the least number of games)

1. Astros
2a. Padres
2b. Pirates
2c. Mariners
2d. Athletics

The Astros are a clear cut worst team with the next four all within a win of each other. A moderate jump to the Cubs and Royals.

by Xeifrank on Dec 29, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

What is your over / under on the Padres?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

As currently constructed

simulator spits out 71.3494 wins for them in 2012. This could of course change if they sign someone like Prince Fielder. :)

by Xeifrank on Dec 29, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I’d take the over on that.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t know if they’re quite as bad as the A’s, but the Mets are pretty close too.

by court168627 on Dec 29, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

All I know is that I just looked a Laker game ticket in the section that I am familiar with

and the ticket price is same price that Season Ticket holders pay and there was a $10.25 convenience fee attached to it by Ticketmaster.

by bhsportsguy on Dec 29, 2011 11:49 AM PST reply actions  

don’t Season Tickets have a ticketmaster charge attached to them?

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

No

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

BTW

I could see Ticketmaster doing that for that a one time event or concerts but since most sports teams have ticketing departments and the teams have their own infrastructure, I could see Ticketmaster just being another option when it comes to selling single game tickets so that their arrangement is on a per sale basis and not built into the ticket price itself.

by bhsportsguy on Dec 29, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

The Dodgers charge

$10 fee for a season ticket transaction.

That was the same fee when I bought a half season package too.

The current mini plan fee is $37.50

Right now, I don’t know if that is something being charged by the team or Ticketmaster.

by bhsportsguy on Dec 29, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Checking prices before getting back to me:)

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

No

I just didn’t think that Ticketmaster’s fee was already included.

by bhsportsguy on Dec 29, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Going skiing for the first time in two years on Tuesday. Only about a 75% chance that I will be killed.

by fbihop on Dec 29, 2011 11:52 AM PST reply actions  

I thought about putting run in quotes, but I’m glad I didn’t have to.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Want to increase that percentage?

Play “drunken backwards skiing while throwing a football.” It’s a Kennedy tradition!

by court168627 on Dec 29, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Back when I went skiing often, my friends and I would load up a backpack full of beer and drink them on the lift up.

Or one time Red Bull was having some sort of event and was passing out free Red Bull, so we were mixing that with coconut rum that we had.

It really is a shocker that I’m still alive.

by fbihop on Dec 29, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha I still do that. Going this weekend, can’t wait!

by BFDC on Dec 29, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup. The snow here is supposed to be really good too — best snow in the country since like three big storms hit us over the past few weeks.

And the ski area should be pretty empty on Tuesday. I hope.

by fbihop on Dec 29, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Where are you going? Taos?

by BFDC on Dec 29, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Santa Fe. No way am I going to Taos on my first time out in a season, let alone in a couple of years.

They have a bumper sticker here that says, “Taos is a four letter word for steep.”

Once I get back into the swing of things, I’d love to go to Taos, though.

by fbihop on Dec 29, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't Sonny Bono yourself

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

z

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/12/29/2668443/cam-newton-carolina-panthers-racism-2011

Bohami Jones (Of Around The Horn fame) goes postal on Cam Newton (and his critics)

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 12:04 PM PST reply actions  

I know SB Nation hired Bomani Jones but I really have no idea who he is. Is Around the Horn really what he is known for?

by Eric Stephen on Dec 29, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he used to write for Page 2 as well

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

He is also known for ESPN’s First Take!

From his wiki page, he seems to be an ESPN creation(it doesn’t look like he ever worked at a newspaper.)

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

SBNation, “Oh ESPN fired you? Would you like contract?” : )

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

The truth is in the middle somewhere.

Jones is right in saying that a lot of criticism towards Newton was just racism. But Newton understands why its being directed at in part of two others prominent African Americans QBs. (Of course, why Newton is being compared to those two in particular is probably a lot of what Jones is criticizing.)

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

well

he had off field issues that would make a j russel comparison make sense to me personally since j russ was a recent top bust, and he has a play style similiar to young(mobile).

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I haven’t got to the comment section, but I’m sure that it is epic.

by fbihop on Dec 29, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

is it just me

or is the writing terrible? Regardless of his opinion his writing style is hurting my head.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel like he is yelling at me.

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I call it the Stephen A. Smith syndrome.

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Why don’t you call it the Skip Bayless syndrome? Huh? What do you mean you people?
#humour

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, Skip Bayless doesn’t yell, he’s just an idiot and an asshole.

by fbihop on Dec 29, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe I haven’t had ESPN in too long. Orr maybe it has been long enough.

by fbihop on Dec 29, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

wait, what?

are we talking about the same Skip Bayless?

by court168627 on Dec 29, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I would rather read a column by Simers or Plaschke than listen to Bayless for one minute

by Eric Stephen on Dec 29, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

He makes Chris Berman look demure.

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 29, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Then there’s Newton’s peculiar time at Florida, where many say Newton outplayed Tebow in the spring of 2008, before he transferred, largely because he would never start over John Brantley. You read that right.

I don’t think I read this right. too many commas.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

gramatical breakdown
Then there’s Newton’s peculiar time at Florida a school where many say Newton outplayed Tebow in the spring of 2008 the year before he transferred away largely because he would never start over John Brantley. You read that right.

/RunOnSentenced

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean I got it eventually

but I had to reread it a couple times. He really shouldn’t put you read that right right after poorly constructing a sentence.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, Cam Newton left Florida because he was accused of stealing a laptop.

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Racistly accused

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, as part of his plea agreement. But yeah, Florida wouldn’t let him stay on the team after that.

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

they would have if he was John Brantley

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

no, they would have kicked off Brantley too. Because Brantley sucks.

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I blame Tebow for not praying harder for Newton.

by fbihop on Dec 29, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I blame the SEC in general.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw a Kellen Moore jersey at Ross for $15. Also a whole bunch of Red Bulls Thierry Henry jerseys for some reason.

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Tom Leykis

would call it Cross Dress for Less.

by delias man on Dec 29, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I've heard some things about him

It makes sense that you like him, lol

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

One of Leykis’ rants was accusing the girl in the Kobe rape case of ‘asking’ for it.

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh I think she asked for it

I just think what she asked for was a consensual thing

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

He asked for it

I think she said no. He then took it anyway

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by mleadman on Dec 29, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

The circumstantial evidence

was heavily in Kobe’s favor, and the defense had a number of her friends lined up to testify that she was falsely accusing him.

by The Dude Abides on Dec 29, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.

That’s rape

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

What if the reason for that

is because she is batshit crazy and views reality differently then sane people?

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

That's crafted attorney-speak

for letting both the defendant and the plaintiff exit the proceedings as gracefully as possible.

by The Dude Abides on Dec 29, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

instead of politely requesting

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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Dec 29, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Boise State can beat Cal at a neutral field.

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

but can they do it in ATT park?!

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m sure the Indianapolis Colts could beat Cal at Cal too, not sure what this has to do with the price of tea in China

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

The Indianapolis colts could beat Boise state on any field

so could the 0-16 lions team.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

and I don't even think it would be close

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

it might be close if they played say

the 2002 National Champion Hurricanes. Maybe. They would still win.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

What about Witchita?

/PeterKing’d

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

but he is white

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course he didn’t steal it, the cops just didn’t believe a black man could own a laptop.

#Everyblackcomicever

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

you see

white people talk like this, and black people talk like that!

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec’d for reaching back 30 years

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Dec 29, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Heh. That actor is actually a friend of mine, though it’s been awhile since I’ve seen him. Played on a number of softball teams with him. Auditioned for the part of Pedro Cerrano.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

he also posts this list

http://rivals.yahoo.com/texas/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-1479
as proof that the white QBs who are dual threats where trusted with their arms. Now, first of all, I’ve never heard of any of them other then newton. Second, newton is ranked 5 stars.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

shit the top 2 guys are not white

and one of them is newton.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

In the end, Newton was the number one pick. So much for racist conclusions.

by megaballs on Dec 29, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess Howie

ain’t Jewish

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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Dec 29, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

AA!

/looks around
/slinks off

by fbihop on Dec 29, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

or GTS :P

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

That looks like Howie Long

by Eric Stephen on Dec 29, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Hard to recognize him without seeing him cackling alongside Terry Bradshaw and those other guys.

by fbihop on Dec 29, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

you are correct. he’s got a good grip on Mel’s, uh,

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

From the AP search site

Actor Mel Gibson is lifted across the shoulders of Los Angeles Raiders defense lineman Howie Long on the set of “Lethal Weapon” in Los Angeles, Ca., Sept. 23, 1986. (AP Photo/Nick Ut)

by bhsportsguy on Dec 29, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Howie Long was in Lethal Weapon? Mel Gibson was in Lethal Weapon? I have never actually seen Lethal Weapon.

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m getting too old for this shit

"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"

by VeroJoe on Dec 29, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you Mr. White…how is Mr. Pink by the way?

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by VeroJoe on Dec 29, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m still waiting for Eric to tell me to shut the fuck up

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by VeroJoe on Dec 29, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m too busy being angry at “Mel Gibson was in Lethal Weapon?”

by Eric Stephen on Dec 29, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

we won’t like you when you’re angry *Ericsmash

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by VeroJoe on Dec 29, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Some

Like It Hot

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 1:05 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

The Misfits

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Dec 29, 2011 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

So she knows Marilyn Monroe movies

…but not Lethal Weapon? I vote we stop letting her claim to be too young, and instead call it what it is: shes a damn movie hipster!

by EMDarrow on Dec 30, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Old enough to know better but young enough to do it anyway

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by VeroJoe on Dec 29, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

i hope this replaces

“nomo was japanese, right?”

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

heh heh

Of course you do :)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 1:15 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Neither has

replaced Tommy Blackjack hates Dr. Pepper.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

yeah

But I wear that with pride

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 1:59 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

oh....lord

How in the holy hell have you not seen any of the 4 leathal weapon movies? Especially when the first two are awesome.

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

i was so happy when he ditched his mullet

you know, or when i saw movies of him without it.

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Either he ate shit or he has unorthodox bench press mechanics

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by VeroJoe on Dec 29, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

gremlins man

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if the same pic would have gone national if she had been wearing a thong.

by BFDC on Dec 29, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

the picture works because she is exposed, vulnerable, and lovely – without it being a beaver shot

and she is lovely

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

She might be lovely. Pretty hard to tell

by BFDC on Dec 29, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s what I was thinking

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Those are some pretty lovely legs, and ahem other unmentionables she’s showing.

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

its a good start

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

youth is beauty

her legs are better looking than anything about me

and what you can see of the rest of her, in larger versions of the print, well she is certainly lovely enough to be lovely to me

and lovely is not just looks, but the whole package, and in that photo, her carriage, her head reaching for his, the intimacy amid chaos and violence….lovely is a nice word.

Her dude looks to be handsome too, handsome fellas often fall for lovely girls

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

well said

"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"

by VeroJoe on Dec 29, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

someone deleted a bunch of stuff

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 1:10 PM PST reply actions  

I delete images without a title. Any replies to that image are also deleted

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I only deleted the Vancouver riot photo.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

hm

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I made one too many black comedian-esque jokes today, I went over my quota

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

if you grew up with a typewriter

Why does “White-out” cover up your mistakes? and “black-out” means no lights and rioting mutha fuckas busting windows downtown to steal some tvs? What kind of shit is that?

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow…who said that in a stand up?

I went to the Hard Rock Improv for my Birthday last week and got to see David Ybarra & Adam Ferrara (Rescue Me)….they were great

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by VeroJoe on Dec 29, 2011 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope Ferrara was better than he was on the American version of Top Gear.

by fbihop on Dec 29, 2011 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

um, just made it up now

inspired by Josie (aren’t we all from time to time?) and wanted to do my best bad black comedian-esque impersonation

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice

"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"

by VeroJoe on Dec 29, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Ferrera

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 1:34 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

He was good. He talked about Top Gear quite a bit and had some great jokes about people from the south (he’s from NY). He is an angry man ….but it makes for great comedy. Total road rager!

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by VeroJoe on Dec 29, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

speaking of angry

I saw Lewis Black in concert one time. Hilarious

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 1:39 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Should have said, “Speaking of angry Black comics…”

by fbihop on Dec 29, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 1:46 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Black-Out also means a marketing ploy to sale Alternate Jerseys

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I just find it funny that in that Laker-King game, the Lakers were wearing the LA Kings original colors, and the Sacramento Kings were wearing the LA Kings current colors.

A lot of copying a franchise without a championship : )

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I take it you don’t like the Kings very much.

by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 29, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m an American outside the Rust Belt, I don’t like hockey very much

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Yet the similarities with soccer can’t be denied

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by VeroJoe on Dec 29, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m talking trash…..I’m not a fan of either at all. Unless it’s NHL 94 on the sega genisis

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by VeroJoe on Dec 29, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

New England is in the Rust Belt?

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 29, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Its close to Canada

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Lowell MA is pretty rusty

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Or days you can’t visit Disneyland

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 1:35 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

there were no alternate jerseys when typewriters ruled the earth

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

The A’s introduced their alternate in 1972! : )

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Charlie O is always fucking ruining something or other

thank god we are not playing with the orange baseball

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

There is a planned black-out in Oakland on Sunday

by delias man on Dec 29, 2011 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Texans have Battle Red days

to sell ketchup bottles.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Refreshing bit of perspective

From ESPN

The mother of a Texas firefighter who died reaching to snag a baseball thrown by Rangers outfielder Josh Hamilton this past summer said Wednesday she wants the star player to keep tossing souvenirs into the stands.

SuZann Stone said that taking home a game ball is a special memory. Her plea to Hamilton was in a letter sent not long after 39-year-old Shannon Stone died when he tumbled over a railing and plunged 20 feet onto concrete July 7 during a game at Rangers Ballpark.

Shannon Stone was trying to catch the ball for his 6-year-old son, Cooper, who witnessed the incident.

The late firefighter’s mother says it would be a shame for Hamilton to quit tossing balls to fans.

“I just didn’t want him to stop,” SuZann Stone said. “How sad that would be because that’s what little boys and their daddies go for. This was just an accident.”

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 1:32 PM PST reply actions  

SuZann is like when Phil calls me SilverWidow.

by silverwidow on Dec 29, 2011 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Longoria says he doesn’t want a trade.

"I don’t have any idea where that rumor came from! It’s completely false,‘’ Longoria told the Times via text. "I’ve said from the start I love Tampa, I love the direction we are heading as a franchise and there is no better place for me to continue to grow as a player and person.’’

by fbihop on Dec 29, 2011 1:40 PM PST reply actions  

Love the exclamation point.

by silverwidow on Dec 29, 2011 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

clearly

he’s a fucking liar

I have been to Tampa

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL! Home of Hulk Hogan & Bubba the Love Sponge

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by VeroJoe on Dec 29, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I was there once. Seemed nice enough if you liked fishing in the Gulf of Mexico, and Hooters.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Again with the short jokes!


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Stand on Humma’s shoulders so you can pop him in the nose!

Er… maybe throat.

by EMDarrow on Dec 30, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I flew there to watch the 1990 Davis Cup Final

After the US clinched the cup on the second day, I skipped the meaningless matches on the final day and went on an airboat tour of the nearby wetlands, then drove down to Sanibel Island for some beachcombing. That was a cool weekend.

by The Dude Abides on Dec 29, 2011 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

It was held at the crappy Suncoast Dome

which became Tropicana Field when the Devil Rays moved in.

by The Dude Abides on Dec 29, 2011 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok. I played one weekend at Saddlebrook and nailed Martina Navratravolta (sp?) with an errant two handed backhand during a tennis clinic drill.

by Xeifrank on Dec 29, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

A. Martina Navratravolta
Q. What is the name of the daughter who resulted from the secret affair of Martina Navratilova and John Travolta?

by The Dude Abides on Dec 29, 2011 7:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I like fishing in the Gulf of Mexico

If you know what I mean

It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Dec 29, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I always put too many exclamation points in text messages.

by fbihop on Dec 29, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

But a MLB intern totally told me you wanted a trade. Who do I believe?

(Also, was that intern fired, because I sure would have canned his ass after that.)

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think he’s asking for a trade, but I think he’d love to come home to Los Angeles

by Josie Becker on Dec 29, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I would hit my head on the ceiling jumping for joy

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

He fits in our budget. :)

by silverwidow on Dec 29, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

It would take either Kemp, or Kershaw to get Longoria.

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Kershaw it is

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Don’t tempt me satan

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

it would be hard

but kershaw has one less year of team control and an arm more likely to go boom

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

that is exactly the temptation

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Did you outpiss your opponent?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

both of us are fairly wet, but he is all the wetter

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

One is the best at what he does, the other simply has a great contract who has yet to be great.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I know you don't really believe that

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

the 2nd half I mean

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Longoria has definitely been great

His average isn’t great, but he gets on base, hits for good power, and has elite 3B defense.

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Name a better 3rd baseman in the game. Really, just think of one.

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

No. But he could switch and would be better.

I also pulled a 4down and didn’t look at stats before answering this one so wRC+ might disagree with me once factoring in league and park.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

wRC+ is pretty damn close the past two years with Tulo slightly better.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

wRC+

always makes me think of some radio control car wireless standard

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d like to see wRC-, why does everyone use the plus sign. We have everything Bill James had Plus more

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I haven’t seem the RC+ numbers, but I think Tulo’s bat is for real anywhere, just enhanced a bit by Coors.

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

heck who was a better 3rd basemen last year?

Maybe Sandoval?

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t trust Sandoval to not eat himself out of baseball.

by Tripon on Dec 29, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Over the last 3 years I don't think there's been 1 better 3B

Zimmerman being the closest maybe

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, he's great, but I would still never consider trading Kershaw for him.

Would you have traded Sandy Koufax for Ron Santo in 1962. Because we are about to get the five best years any Dodger has ever pitched since the Koufax era.

If you use WAR, Longoria is clearly the class of the 3rd baseman, but if you take a suspect defensive metric out of the equation, Longoria’s offense is still at the top but with at least five other 3rd baseman bubbling below him.
ince 2008:

                                                                                             
Rk Player OPS+ WAR/pos From To Age PA BA OBP SLG OPS Pos Tm
1 Evan Longoria 136 24.3 2008 2011 22-25 2414 .274 .360 .515 .874 *5/D6 TBR
2 Chipper Jones 135 15.0 2008 2011 36-39 2023 .293 .397 .477 .874 *5/D ATL
3 Alex Rodriguez 133 15.2 2008 2011 32-35 2152 .284 .375 .521 .896 *5/D NYY
4 Pablo Sandoval 129 12.3 2008 2011 21-24 1869 .307 .356 .501 .857 *5/32D SFG
5 David Wright 129 13.8 2008 2011 25-28 2470 .289 .372 .484 .856 *5/D6 NYM
6 Ryan Zimmerman 126 13.8 2008 2011 23-26 2202 .293 .362 .486 .848 *5/D WSN
7 Adrian Beltre 117 15.9 2008 2011 29-32 2255 .288 .334 .492 .826 *5/D SEA-BOS-TEX
8 Scott Rolen 112 12.7 2008 2011 33-36 1808 .278 .347 .452 .799 *5 TOR-TOT-CIN
9 Michael Young 111 12.1 2008 2011 31-34 2708 .306 .355 .457 .811 *56/D34 TEX
10 Casey Blake 110 13.1 2008 2011 34-37 1976 .266 .343 .437 .780 *5/3764 TOT-LAD
11 Chone Figgins 86 10.0 2008 2011 30-33 2264 .265 .350 .327 .677 *54/D7 LAA-SEA

Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 12/29/2011.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Santo would have been an awesome Dodger

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Chipper and ARod are HOFers, admittedly this time period is past their peak.


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Not that WAR is be-all end-all stat

but it is a decent indicator. Among position players over the last three years, Longoria trails only Albert Pujols in rWAR.

Rk                Player WAR/pos 
1 Albert Pujols 21.7
2 Evan Longoria 20.5
3 Adrian Gonzalez 19.9
4 Miguel Cabrera 18.7
5 Ryan Braun 18.6
6 Matt Kemp 18.1
7 Troy Tulowitzki 18.0
8 Joey Votto 16.9
9 Robinson Cano 16.0
10 Jose Bautista 15.9
11 Chase Utley 15.9


- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude is great

I am not trading Kid K

but the Dude is not approaching greatness, the Dude is great

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Guess I’m still irked from his piss ass postseason performances the last two years.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

his babip was 227

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

wtf

his babip when they made the WS run and he hit 6 dingers was 167

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, I see. You return to advanced stats when it suits you :)

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

babip is simple enough for me :)

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

theres advanced

then theres advanced advanced like woba, then theres advanced advanced advanced like wRC+.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

seriously though

who flipped the switch in the last few months and decided wrc+ is cool now and woba is lame

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve always preferred runs created over OB.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

When comparing two diffferent players in two different leagues and ballpark (Tulo and Longoria,) you’d want to use wRC+.

When we’re just talking about Dodgers it doesn’t really matter.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I like wOBA but if I used that to pump up Tulo without acknowledging the significant park factors it would be fairly misleading.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Who says wOBA is lame?

I think both are good ones.

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

If you count the World Series in 2008 in which he super sucked he has struck out 21 times in his last 59 postseason plate appearances. I don’t think BABI is his problem

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

having a babip under 200 for his postseason career

obviously isn’t affecting him at all!

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Still helps to make contact if you want to have some luck with batted balls.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

for the love of Tebow

the guy is great

how great, well the future will tell, but don’t pretend he is not great

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Did you miss this?
Yes, he’s great, but I would still never consider trading Kershaw for him.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

i did

I only saw this

One is the best at what he does, the other simply has a great contract who has yet to be great.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

ok there it is

maybe i did read it, but then the next comment I saw was you pissing on him as joe said.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

pissing on him. I posted a table showing he was the best offensive 3rd baseman in baseball over the last four years. If complaining about his lack of success in the postseason is pissing then yeah, I’m pissing about him, and it is one long fucking piss at a trough that crosses streams with everyone and may even go 360

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

so a normal thursday for you then?

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

then stop pissing on him

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I can acknowledge he’s great, and still be irritated he sucked in the postseason thus helping end two great Tampa Bay Runs. And he did suck terribly in the 2008 World Series. Those things will not leave me easily. When you are the best hitter on your team it helps when you hit like it when the pitching gets tough.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

SSS

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

That Matt Kemp kid

might be pretty good some day

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

The only people who would prefer Tampa to Los Angeles are old retirees.

Which is ironic because Ned keeps signing old guys who are soon to be retired.

by fbihop on Dec 29, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Some people like warm water and beautiful bods instead of cold water and beautiful bods. I’ve never been to Tampa, just assuming a warm water beach area has beautiful bods mixed in with the waiting dead.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, he’s been pining to be an Angel since he knee high

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I will be pissed

if Roethlisberger plays on Sunday

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 1:53 PM PST reply actions  

don't like byes?

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

just want him to rest

should be the Browns with Batch

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

sounds like he will play 25-30 plays

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Longoria

could be his generation’s third baseman. But his ceiling is more of a healthy Scott Rolen or Chipper Jones without the switch-hitting, he’s not Mike Schmidt.

Clayton Kershaw (though this isn’t a competition between them) has a chance to be the second home-grown Los Angeles Dodger HOF. His ceiling may not be Koufax but he can be a recognized All-Star for many years to come and someone who in a great year, could be a CYA.

by bhsportsguy on Dec 29, 2011 2:15 PM PST reply actions  

What Craig said

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Longoria has a better chance at being the next David Wright then Chipper Jones.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I am, at this point in their careers Longoria is exactly where David Wright was. He can go either direction, I’d expect him to take the Wright direction before I’d expect him to take the Schmidt or Chipper Jones direction. JMO

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

and kershaw could go the same rout as all the guys we always see posted

who have struck out X guys by age X. Out of baseball in a couple years.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I will wash your mouth out with a bar of soap

no argument is ever worth uttering that kind of filth

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

its my entire premise!

I love kid K to death and if he goes the rout I will hang myself out of sadness. But…

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I will say beetle juice and voldemort

I will call out beezelbub and lucifer without a care or thought

but I will not let those kind of words pass through my Dodger blue lips

somethings are not worth saying

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, this is opinion. My opinion is that Kershaw is about to go on a Koufax run and be the first LA Dodger Pitcher who is a bonafide HOF pitcher (sorry Don Sutton), and I don’t have enough faith that Longoria will have that kind of career.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Oliver Perez's best year was slightly better than Kershaw's first full season

and has never come close since.

Off the top of my head this is the only guy I thought of right now :)

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

who could have guess that Wright would have taken that direction

Wrights turn largely befuddles me, so I don’t expect Longo to copy that turn

Beside, Longo is an Italian name, so he has that going for him

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

His power and defense have really taken a hit the last 3 years

I believe the power will return this year.

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe my hair will grow back

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

all you have to do is believe!

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

That's totally fair

Wright was great, but injuries happen. Jones is a no doubt HOFer. Simply nobody profiles out to that.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

cue the other shoe dropping music

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

huh

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Chipper Jones is a HOFer

Rolen is a border line if he has another 2 or 3 good years. Maybe just Hall of Great, but either way not a bad thing.

Plus he’s still young, his power could develop higher.

I’ll take Kershaw 10/10 for sure though, he’s not going to be special, this kid is special.

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Kershaw is really good at baseball

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 2:28 PM PST reply actions  

I have mentioned this before

in 1978, there was a proposed trade of a package of players (including Pedro Guerrero) to the Mets for Tom Seaver. I think had Tom Seaver led the Dodger rotation in 1978, that Dodger team has a great shot to beat the Yankees.

by bhsportsguy on Dec 29, 2011 2:28 PM PST reply actions  

I loved and hated Seaver

would have been great to have him as a Dodger

but without Guerrero what happens to 1981?

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

ah, we win anyway. Besides if we win in 1978 we don’t need 81 as much as we did.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

but Mo!

81 was my favorite championship

and while 78 was heartbreak and Reggies fat ass all in one, I don’t think I’d want to give up 81

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

What David said. We were clearly the better team in 78, I’d rather have the championship with the better team. All those great games we remember in detail from 81 would instead have the 78 games etched. Davey Lopes would be a hero.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

That said, having Tom Seaver may or may not have meant squat.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

He might only pitch one game and we lose 3 – 2. Or he might pitch two games and pitch the deciding 7th game. We had Koufax in 66 in his prime prime and he still lost two games. Just saying………..

that I reverse my previous comments and do not make the trade, and enjoy 81.

Screw revisionism.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Somehow

The opening day DH for the ‘81 Yankees was Jayson Werth’s dad, Dennis. The dude had only 172 MLB PAs, but he can say he was an opening day starter for the AL champ Yankees. But at least he can’t say he was an opening day starter for the world champion Yankees.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

If they win in ‘78, one doesn’t need the catharsis of ’81.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Ya, the “what if” game doesn’t seem so urgent when the Dodgers ended up winning a World Series a few years later anyway. See how much fun we’d have with the “what if” game if the Dodgers suck for another 20 years and we argue for hours about drafting Lincecum instead of Kershaw.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't do it

Kershaw is too great

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

in un-related to anything news that matters only to me

Dream update:

I had a dream last night that I went 0 – 4. I woke up confused and angry. It wasn’t until about 3 minutes ago that I realized it was just a dream

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 2:31 PM PST reply actions  

You must have been dreaming about being Longoria in the postseason:)

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Come on, didn’t that make you laugh?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

not as much as Joe's reply did :-p

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

My body is all out of wack after the holidays

after the feasting of the weekend I spent 3 days needing only to eat a couple of meals at odd times to get by, now I find myself starving tryign to go back to the 3 meals at normal times thing

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

he's eating right now

Eating your rage

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 2:39 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

That would be feasting upon

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

who have you become?

I don’t even know you anymore Tommy

next thing you’ll tell me is that you are hopped up on Dr. Pepper and a jar of pickles

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

if I say that

Someone hacked my account

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 3:18 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

just for fun

3rd baseman seem to burn out a little earlier then other positions. This is just my perception. Here is a list of 3rd baseman since 1900 who are 25 or under but have garnered at least a .130 OPS+ career.

It is not like I make things up when I say he could easily become David Wright. Or Richie Hebner, or Jim Ray Hart, or Bob Horner.

Rk Player OPS+ G From To Age PA HR RBI BB BA OBP SLG OPS Pos
1 Dick Allen 164 596 1963 1967 21-25 2579 112 365 284 .311 .387 .558 .945 *5/764
2 Eddie Mathews 154 880 1952 1957 20-25 3808 222 586 561 .281 .388 .556 .943 *5/7
3 Jim Thome 142 500 1991 1996 20-25 1989 93 284 310 .288 .404 .530 .934 *5/D
4 Home Run Baker 141 451 1908 1911 22-25 1918 17 276 100 .308 .350 .449 .799 *5
5 Bill Madlock 141 421 1973 1976 22-25 1747 32 207 147 .337 .398 .478 .875 *5
6 David Wright 139 703 2004 2008 21-25 3047 130 489 340 .309 .389 .533 .921 *5/D
7 Harmon Killebrew 138 540 1954 1961 18-25 2100 130 337 291 .262 .367 .528 .895 *53/47
8 Evan Longoria 136 563 2008 2011 22-25 2414 113 401 270 .274 .360 .515 .874 *5/D6
9 Jim Ray Hart 135 634 1963 1967 21-25 2600 116 371 222 .289 .352 .499 .851 *57/9
10 Mike Schmidt 134 465 1972 1975 22-25 1843 93 266 274 .248 .366 .491 .857 *5/643
11 Bob Horner 132 657 1978 1983 20-25 2716 158 457 221 .282 .341 .521 .862 *5/3
12 Richie Hebner 131 631 1968 1973 20-25 2510 80 306 235 .286 .359 .471 .830 *5/3
13 Pinky Higgins 130 310 1930 1934 21-25 1269 29 189 121 .320 .387 .493 .880 *5/46

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Generated 12/29/2011.

Dick Allen, Jim Thome, and Harmon Killebrew all were moved off of 3rd base. So I’m saying there is a 40% chance that Evan Longoria is not Mike Schmidt or Eddie Mathews.

Kershaw’s odds of being Sandy Koufax are even longer, but honestly, what Dodger fan trades Clayton Kershaw for Evan Longoria. Maybe someone who was a fan of Desperate Housewifes, no one else does it.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 2:53 PM PST reply actions  

the see you baitin

they hatin

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Richie Hebner

dug his own grave.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I got it

and rec’d it

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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!

by mleadman on Dec 29, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Greatest Josh Wilker thread ever

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Billy Beane would do it

by BFDC on Dec 29, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Because I love this stuff

Notice how many names from the great 25 and under group are not on the 26 and over group and why Mike Schmidt is what he is. To help you I’ve bolded those on both lists:

                                                                                               
Rk Player OPS+ From To Age PA BA OBP SLG OPS Pos Tm
1 Mike Schmidt 155 1976 1985 26-35 6326 .272 .388 .548 .935 *53/64 PHI
2 George Brett 152 1979 1988 26-35 5554 .316 .393 .535 .928 *53/D796 KCR
3 Chipper Jones 150 1998 2007 26-35 6165 .312 .413 .565 .978 *57/D6 ATL
4 Alex Rodriguez 146 2002 2011 26-35 6387 .296 .391 .564 .955 *56/D TEX-NYY
5 Wade Boggs 138 1984 1993 26-35 6901 .331 .423 .451 .874 *5/D3 BOS-NYY
6 Al Rosen 138 1950 1956 26-32 4309 .287 .386 .500 .886 *5/364 CLE
7 Eddie Mathews 136 1958 1967 26-35 6236 .266 .370 .483 .853 *53/7 MLN-ATL-TOT
8 Home Run Baker 135 1912 1921 26-35 4484 .309 .370 .439 .810 *5 PHA-NYY
9 Bobby Bonilla 131 1989 1998 26-35 5946 .285 .361 .493 .854 *59/3D7 PIT-NYM-TOT-BAL-FLA
10 Ed Lennox 131 1910 1915 26-31 1099 .284 .375 .424 .800 *5 BRO-CHC-PBS
11 Whitey Kurowski 130 1944 1949 26-31 2698 .291 .380 .468 .848 *5/46 STL

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Generated 12/29/2011.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

ARod is not on the first list because he burned out early on SS. He had a 141 OPS+ through age 25.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Right, he wasn’t a 3rd baseman, why would he be in the discussion? We are talking about young 3rd baseman, not players who converted to 3rd baseman.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m just saying he didn’t burn out as a hitter.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

The odds of becoming an HOF 3B are incredibly long no matter what, but that is still Longoria’s ceiling, which is pretty good for a guy with 3.5 years of MLB play behind him.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t make the trade either. But Evan Longoria has been great.

It is relatively easy to move a 3B to 1B, but there isn’t really much of a downgrade to make for a 1B or corner OF.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Longoria is great

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 3:07 PM PST reply actions  

I like baseball

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you know how badly I want to kill you right now?

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 3:16 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

you funny

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I wish KC had traded Alex Gordon when he was struggling.

Can anyone think of a number one pick that a team stuck with all the way until his age 27 season before he lived upto his promise like Alex Gordon? He seems a bit unique to me.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 3:10 PM PST reply actions  

So old friend Rafael Furcal is on Twitter now at @RAFAEL_FURCAL.

by fbihop on Dec 29, 2011 3:13 PM PST reply actions  

@RAFAEL_FURCAL Hola tweeps. Need a DD for NYE any volunteers?


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

DD as in breasts or a double date?

by silverwidow on Dec 29, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude, Designated Driver.


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

There goes my idea

of posting pics of the well-endowed Gaby Ramirez.

"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper

by TomasC on Dec 29, 2011 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

When you need a wonder woman just click your heels

To bad those painted wonder woman photo’s are not allowed here……

yowzaaa

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

or

all 3!

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Hahahaha. You can tell I don’t drink.

by silverwidow on Dec 29, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

or watch tv

or have any interaction with popular culture?

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

(not an actual tweet)


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by David Young on Dec 29, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Panthers

have three 600 yard rushers (Newton, Stewart, Williams); first since ’06 Falcons.

by silverwidow on Dec 29, 2011 3:23 PM PST reply actions  

Impressive

Especially since John “Run-On-1st-2nd-and-3rd-Down-and-Then-Punt” Fox is in Denver now.

"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper

by TomasC on Dec 29, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Vick, Turner and Duckett?

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

running backs age in dog years

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

See Davis, Terrell

Also see Anderson, Jamal or Davis, Stephan.

"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper

by TomasC on Dec 29, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

What about Robert Smith? Dude retired at 5.0 yards a carry.

by silverwidow on Dec 29, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Good call

Always forget about him…he was a damn good back. Eddie George always gets forgotten, too.

"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper

by TomasC on Dec 29, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Those football players who retire early in good health must not give a shit about their kids

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

We should ask Barry Sanders.

"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper

by TomasC on Dec 29, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, what a pleasure to watch.

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I loved to watch him, but would have hated him as primary back on my team

I want runner to get positive yards on every play.

I hate: loss, loss, no gain, no gain, big fucking run

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

As a defender

you had to imagine your best bet was to take a chance tackling him the first time, then if you missed, wait on the grass/turf until his inevitable return the other direction.

"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper

by TomasC on Dec 29, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you would have liked

Ron “3 yards and a cloud of pies” Dayne.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I wanna some breakaway with a whole lotta north and south

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

So Arian Foster

or really any good zone/one cut back

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Someone needs to make a BArry Sanders YouTube video of him getting tackled for negative gains.

by fbihop on Dec 29, 2011 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

But a Barry Sanders highlight of him getting -1 yard would be running back and forth for 5 seconds before finally being tackled.

On just about every Barry Sanders highlight, the other team has one or two players in the backfield that he has to dodge. If the Lions had a decent offensive line, Sanders might have ran for 2,000 yards every year.

/hyperbole.

by fbihop on Dec 29, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

At the time, wasn’t he planning on going to medical school?

I know Tiki Barber ended up regretting his decision to walk away.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I always preferred Ronde to Tiki.

"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper

by TomasC on Dec 29, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

He kept his mouth shut

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

he was an asshat long before he was an analyst, being an analyst just gave him a forum to display his asshat for all to admire

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

sure

but he thought he could be the next great tv personality, and he thought his in was by shitting on his former teammates. Oops.

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I remember when the Steelers knocked Eddie out cold in a playoff game to force a fumble

it was a glorious moment of me that I both relish in and am a little ashamed of

If Fantasy I called Eddie “3.4”, because that is what it seemed his yards per carry were

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

So

Double that if you are a Bronco running back

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn, I was sure one was Duckett. Didn’t feel confident about Turner because (as HJ says) those guys don’t stick around.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

are they going to win any postseason games?

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by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

They are the new texans

amazing offense, terribad defense

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by nolander on Dec 29, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, I thought he was asking about the Falcons

Not the Panthers.

If the question is ever, sure, the Panthers will win a postseason game at some point.

by Michael White on Dec 29, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

14 rushing tds from newton

insane

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by Ivdown on Dec 29, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Along with 20 throwing TDs

Kid’s legit.

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by TomasC on Dec 29, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

The guy who voiced the creepy intro to Iron Maiden’s “The Number of the Beast” died at the age of 80.

Every time I hear an Iron Maiden song, I turn it up even though I generally don’t like bands in that style.

by fbihop on Dec 29, 2011 3:39 PM PST reply actions  

Goatees

So every other dude on the street seems to be rocking one these days. I feel like a truck driver not having shaved it off yet.

by silverwidow on Dec 29, 2011 3:39 PM PST reply actions  

nah

I look 15 without mine

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 3:48 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

oh right

The exact opposite of how I look

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 4:03 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

that’s good

if you were a newscaster I was going to be so bummed

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Wouldn’t mind being a sportscaster, but I could probably only do baseball

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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 4:15 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Girl with the Dragon Tattoo

was not very good. the best part of the movie were all the cool jackets Daniel Craig wore.

It suffered from both James Bond syndrome and Return of the King syndrome.

How is that ending sequence any different from a scene from Hackers? Or Austin Powers. or Missions Impossible 4: GHOSTSHIP?

If you want a good, bloody crime thriller, check out the Red Riding Trilogy. Lots less goth-punk rape too.

by mintxcore on Dec 29, 2011 3:51 PM PST reply actions  

This is why you are the best poster.

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by regfairfield on Dec 29, 2011 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

i dont hate him!

i just dont…really..think…he makes a lot of good choices

by mintxcore on Dec 29, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I have wanted to see the Red Riding series. I couldn’t go when it screened near me, and when it plays on Sundance it seems to always be in the middle of the night.

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 29, 2011 4:53 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

its on

Netflix Instant! Super great, big variety between each “episode” but pulls the thread all the way thru really nicely. hard as hell to understand thou, damn thick british accents

by mintxcore on Dec 29, 2011 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Kind of like Sweet Sixteen and the thick Glaswegian brogue. Doesn’t Netflix provide viewing options like subtitles?

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 29, 2011 5:57 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

they might have

started to offer that feature, not sure

by mintxcore on Dec 29, 2011 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Joe, Saturday morning works. Just text me with where and when.

by G.Scott on Dec 29, 2011 4:01 PM PST reply actions  

cool – let me clear it with the boss

should be great weather

by Hollywood Joe on Dec 29, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Longoria is the greatest

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 4:18 PM PST reply actions  

Buster_ESPN
In other words: Teams that have great outfields. Like the Dodgers, who have Kemp and Ethier filling 2/3 of their OF.

by silverwidow on Dec 29, 2011 4:21 PM PST reply actions  

Dammit now I have to read Buster to get context.

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by regfairfield on Dec 29, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

…………….did you get it?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, making a list of great outfields. It was boring.

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by regfairfield on Dec 29, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

NPUT

http://www.truebluela.com/2011/12/29/2669462/marcus-thames-tbla-2011-community-preview

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them.

by meercatjohn on Dec 29, 2011 5:51 PM PST reply actions  

oh man

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 29, 2011 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

HEY MEERCATJOHN...THANKS FOR TALKING ABOUT BASEBALL HERE...

I was gonna comment on the article but apparently more people on here watch the Kardashians than watch the Dodgers…Dragon Tatoo? Red Riding Series? Goatees?

by BaldBilly on Dec 29, 2011 6:07 PM PST reply actions  

The Dodgers haven’t done anything in weeks and discussing Juan Uribe is about as fun as punching ourselves in the balls. We’re sorry we aren’t keeping you entertained though.

Here is some Dodger talk for you. I think some grass has grown or died at the stadium recently!

by VegasBlues on Dec 29, 2011 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Eat me

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 29, 2011 6:13 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Pure Azure (reference to Dodger Blue?)

just read your most recent posts. REALLY? Eat me? That is how you defend your weak movie reviews on the TBLA…“where the dogs are always grilled”? Eat me?

by BaldBilly on Dec 29, 2011 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Nobody is stopping you from posting something baseball-related. I do all the time, when I want. Plenty of people do.

Nobody wants to hear from someone who doesn’t contribute anything (like you) telling people what they should be talking about.
Don’t piss on anyone else’s rug and you should do OK in life.

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 29, 2011 6:58 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

BaldBilly

Bald as in Derek Lowe?

I’m amazed out of ALL the crap talked about today (DVRs, AMC, Windows XP) you chose Red Riding Trilogy! NICE!

by mintxcore on Dec 29, 2011 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

i would never eat that

NOW if you want some good eats….

by mintxcore on Dec 29, 2011 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I can recommend some Korean BBQ tacos in Chicago!

"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."

by Pure Azure on Dec 29, 2011 7:11 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

how about

some food in College Station, TX? we are running out of options and most great places (hullabaloo and heberts) are closed!!!

by mintxcore on Dec 29, 2011 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Looks like ex-USC DC Holt is up to his old tricks tonight for UW against Baylor.

by KellyStephen on Dec 29, 2011 9:38 PM PST reply actions  

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