Risk Aversion Can Be Risky Too
by Eric Stephen on Dec 5, 2011 7:55 PM PST
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Ned Colletti has been on a shopping spree this winter, singing three veterans - Mark Ellis, Chris Capuano, and Jerry Hairston Jr. - to deals of at least two years, plus a one-year deal plus a club option for Juan Rivera, and Aaron Harang is reportedly close to signing as well for something close to two years and $12 million total. Here's a quick snapshot at these five players in 2012, with an assumption thrown in for Harang as that deal is not yet complete:
| Pos | Player | Age | 2012 Salary |
| SP | Harang | 34 | $4,500,000 |
| OF/1B | Rivera | 33 | $4,000,000 |
| SP | Capuano | 33 | $3,000,000 |
| 2B | Ellis | 35 | $2,500,000 |
| IF/OF | Hairston | 36 | $2,250,000 |
| Totals | $16,250,000 | ||
Thinking of 2012 only, I still would have preferred the Dodgers sign Hiroki Kuroda than do anything else. Keeping Ellis since the club needed a second baseman, the club could have used the other $13.75 million to sign Kuroda to a one-year deal, use Jerry Sands in Rivera's spot and let Nathan Eovaldi and a cast of non-roster invitees fight it out for the fifth spot in the rotation. There might have even been money left over to upgrade from Justin Sellers on the bench.
I want to give the Dodgers the benefit of the doubt here, trying to find a way how this could all work. One could argue that the soon-to-be 37-year old Kuroda is an injury risk in himself and that putting all of their eggs in one basket could have backfired and left the team with no depth. I don't necessarily agree with the choice, but I can understand it.
But unfortunately, this is not where our story ends. In order to fit those five players into the tight 2012 budget, Colletti gave multiple years to four of these players, and has an option on Rivera to make it five for five. If the Dodgers exercise Rivera's option in 2013, here is what we are looking as additions to the 2013 payroll (again, I have made an assumption on the breakdown of the Harang contract):
| Pos | Player | Age | 2013 Salary |
| SP | Harang | 35 | $7,500,000 |
| SP | Capuano | 34 | $6,000,000 |
| 2B | Ellis | 36 | $5,250,000 |
| OF/1B | Rivera | 34 | $4,000,000 |
| IF/OF | Hairston | 37 | $3,750,000 |
| Totals | $26,500,000 | ||
In order to get these five marginal upgrades in 2012, the Dodgers will pay something like $26.5 million in 2013 for a group of older players ($23 million if Rivera's option is not exercised). We could be paying $13 million in 2013 for three hitters who hit a combined .257/.314/.369 in 2011. Keep in mind, this group includes two players who were so bad in 2011 they were designated for assignment and dumped by their original teams, and a pair of homer-prone pitchers who made opposing hitters look like All-Stars outside of their friendly home parks.
I get not wanting to dive into the deep waters of the free agent market. Long-term commitments can be scary, and carry with them a lot of risk. But sometimes too much risk aversion can leave you saddled with the equivalent of a superstar price tag without anything close to superstar production.
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NHL Realignment
The NHL embraced its first major realignment since 1998 when the board of governors voted to switch to a new four-conference format that will also guarantee that every team will play the other 29 teams at least twice every season.
The breakdown of the four new conferences:
Conference A: Anaheim, Calgary, Colorado, Edmonton, Los Angeles, Phoenix, San Jose, Vancouver
Conference B: Chicago, Columbus, Dallas, Detroit, Minnesota, Nashville, St. Louis, Winnipeg
Conference C: Boston, Buffalo, Florida, Montreal, Ottawa, Tampa Bay, Toronto
Conference D: Carolina, New Jersey, New York Rangers, New York Islanders, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Washington
Sixteen teams will still make the playoffs, and the first two rounds of the playoffs will be within the conference.
Posting this here since I added it right before the last post was killed.
Apparently the playoffs might end up with something like Pitt / Boston or Det / LA in the finals.
Boy, Florida & Tampa sure stick out like sore thumbs in "C"
…but the others are pretty solid, so I guess there’s nowhere else to put them. Doesn’t help that Atlanta is gone.
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by Mike Petriello on Dec 5, 2011 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think the NHL will be the last league to radically realign. Travel concerns are a buzz word these days among schedulers, wouldn’t be surprised to see the NBA try something like this next.
In his last gesture, McCourt will try to appease the fans by lobbying for 81 games at Dodger Stadium.
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i like the idea of the two best teams playing each other in the finals, even if it’s LSU-Alabama. If Pittsburgh and Boston are the two best teams, they should play each other for the cup regardless of division
But under the new proposal if the two best teams are in the same conference the latest they would play is the second round of the playoffs.
I miss the old designations
Campbell and Wales Conferences
Norris, Patrick, Adams, and Smythe Divisions.
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by David Young on Dec 5, 2011 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Looks like a mugshot
Book ’em, Danno.
In some seriousness, the idiocy of the Dodgers moves this offseason seem to be a sort of thumb in the nose of Bud Selig and the next owner. “If I can’t own the team, it won’t be worth the owning in 2013!” it seems like McCourt is saying. The bottom end of the free agent class applauds.
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But sometimes too much risk aversion can leave you saddled with the equivalent of a superstar price tag without anything close to superstar production.
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Or
You get Barry Zito. Look I understand the idea of saying this but no team ever gets a Prince Fielder and plays a bunch minimum wage guys by choice, The interesting part to me is the ability to saddle the 2013 team with those salaries, it’s not as if they are not still paying Manny and Jones too. I see this as Loney and Ethier’s last year in LA regardless of what they do in 2012.
Right, but when you take that risk with superstars, if they perform, they could carry you to 7-9 wins.
If you take that risk with 10 replacement level players, not only do they only carry you to maybe 2-3 wins combined, but the downside is equal, if not worse, and it blocks any potential young superstars from emerging as they are forced into playing time, much like what happens with many smaller payroll franchises.
by Chad Moriyama on Dec 5, 2011 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
talking about Ned's trade comment
who would even be available to trade for?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
Joey Votto? Hanley Ramirez?
more likely, Wilson Valdez.
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
That’d be nice. But we’d have 738 INF on the roster.
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 5, 2011 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
he’d be better than all of them
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 5, 2011 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
so...
Eovaldi, Sands and…. For Mr Wright?
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 5, 2011 8:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
now? no
at the deadline? maybe
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 5, 2011 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
fuck
i hope so
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 5, 2011 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
Wright, Hanley (hugely doubt he goes anywhere), Votto, Quentin, Luke, Zimmerman, McCuthcheon, Michael Young
just off the top of my head.
All of those guys, maybe minus Young, Luke, and Quentin will take a gigantic haul, which if other teams are interested, would likely be able to outbid us.
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ughhh... first day back on the job and i come home to this
why do you do this to me ned? why???? I want my EO!
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
well done. you’ve managed to articulate the feelings i had previously been expressing with “fuck shit fuck shit fuck”
by truemontenegro on Dec 5, 2011 8:06 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
that's why
Eric is da boss man here
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 5, 2011 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
Joking aside
In sports, I see no reason not to take risks, but time and time again, folks don’t.
Good job E
I spent way too much time on this
Harang better sign now…
by mintxcore on Dec 5, 2011 8:16 PM PST reply actions 12 recs
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"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 5, 2011 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
who in baseball is uglier than Harang?
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 5, 2011 8:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If you took a pic of Uribe and doctored it to look 80 years old, you’d think it was an old blues man. As for ugly…seriously, who? I’m thinking of every team and can’t think of anyone on Harang’s level. Plus, he’s like 6’7! That’s a whole lotta ugly.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 5, 2011 8:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He is one fucked up looking guy.
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 5, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
poor Bellisario
He’s got one of those Reggie Miller mouths
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 5, 2011 8:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Colletti cause he’s a bastard.
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 5, 2011 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
I thought of this an hour ago, but forgot.
And I JUST remembered. Padilla is pretty ugly.
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 5, 2011 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Lindblom?
and those two with Belisario will give the Dodgers a true Ugly Dog competition.
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why is eminem in this pic?
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
the one with the white head and black arms wearing a doo rag?
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
thanks for the laugh in any case, well done
god, i hate that i love the dodgers sometime.
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
apparently he's slim shady
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
Please note that Eric could not find a worthy quote from anyone affiliated with USC
I would also quote from Ron Swanson’s Pyramid of Success which also relates to Ned
“Stillness – Don’t waste energy moving unless necessary.”
Here are a few USC-related quotes for Ned
courtesy of Mr. John Wayne:
If everything isn’t black and white, I say, ‘Why the hell not?’
If you’ve got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow
From the Twitter - Dodgers' Rule V Eligible:
Ethan Martin,
John Michael Redding,
Jordan Roberts,
Kyle Russell,
Rafael Ynoa,
Nick Buss,
Tony Delmonico,
Carlos Frias,
Austin Gallagher,
Pedro Guerrero,
Chris Jacobs
I can see a Pittsburgh or Oakland something springing for Russell and hoping to get some HRs off the bench.
by truemontenegro on Dec 5, 2011 8:23 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Never let the truth get in the way of a good joke though :)
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I keep hearing he is, and then he’s not, but you/BA know what you’re talking about, I’ll go with that too.
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 5, 2011 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
Does that mean Cole St. Clair isn't eligible?
That list might not be complete.
by The Dude Abides on Dec 5, 2011 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
Cole St. Clair
is too busy yachting and throwing hundred dollar bills around in monte carlo to be a part of the rule v
by mintxcore on Dec 5, 2011 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Is that what he looks like?
Good god he’s an ugly SOB. Or a really hot one, depends on which one he is.
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 5, 2011 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
hahah
it’s scott erickson. my most vivid Dodger/Erickson memories are of Jon Weisman basically SCREAMING at the top of his lungs “ERICKSON IS TERRIBLE! DFA HIM! THIS IS TERRIBLE!!!”
the most attractive member of the dodgers is now don mattingly.
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
Ethier gets my vote. He is a handsome man.
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 5, 2011 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
meh, ill pass
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
Kemp and Loney are pretty good. Kersh has that farmboy nerdy thing. Billz has the thighs, and everyone else is too old or ugly. Or an ex-Giant.
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 5, 2011 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
A lot of ladies liked the Aussie, Trent Oeltjen
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He’s pretty good, but he has that weird receding hairline.
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 5, 2011 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
I hate him for sending Reed Johnson in that one game… I remember it might have been the game Dotel blew by throwing like 92 wild pitches…
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 5, 2011 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
handomest man in baseball history
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Where did you get that picture of Granddad Kavula? The looks run in the family.
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I usually resort to baseball card shots of Don Mossi, but that 5 o’clock shadow is too perfect and almost too unnatural that I had to use it.
I knew something like this was coming. There was a picture of some dude with a HORRIBLE unibrow my uncle showed me many years back. I remember the guy was on the Dodgers and he had a horrible unibrow. Thats all I got
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 5, 2011 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
That’s bad. Haha but it was an old photo. Maybe 60’s I’d guess.
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 5, 2011 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
cue the pic of Tony Fossas
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 5, 2011 9:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I remember him from hosting an MLB Network show, and Men in Black.
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Things I did not know
Lisa Guerrero is almost four full years older than Scott Erickson.
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What were the other options if the Dodgers signed Kuroda?
Instead of Harang at SP, Eo.
Instead of Ellis at 2B, DeJesus Jr.
Instead of Rivera in LF Hoffman(?)
Not sure who would be the replacement for Hairston.
BTW, this post comes well after I have started celebrating Repeal Day, so take that for what it is worth.
Uh
Sands>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hoffmann
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 5, 2011 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t blame you in the slightest.
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 5, 2011 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
Using 2012 dollars only, very possible to have Kuroda and Ellis, then use Sands for Rivera, Sellers for Hairston, and Eo/NRI for #5.
Might have even been possible for Kuroda/Ellis/Hairston, but it may have required a tad more in 2012.
I'd take Hairston over Ellis, personally.
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Dec 5, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
You could fit in Capuano if you wanted, actually. Depending on exactly what Kuroda would require and the exact payroll which still might be expanded but Uncle Ned.
by Chad Moriyama on Dec 5, 2011 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
Hey Kensai, I posted two hypothetical opening day rosters in a fan post
http://www.truebluela.com/2011/12/5/2614647/what-could-have-been-inside-the-box-and-outside-the-box
Let me know what you think, island boy of wisdom.
by The Dude Abides on Dec 5, 2011 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
I'll bite
Repeal Day?
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The repeal of Prohibition was 78 years ago today. Nice holiday present.
CLINK!
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Clink, indeed, but I find it quaint that some people need an excuse to pour the alcohol.
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Johnny Walker and I agree
That apartment hunting in Brooklyn is no short order
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 5, 2011 9:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Dodgers could have had Kuroda, Capuano, Ellis if didn’t sign Harang, Rivera, Treanor, Kennedy, Hairston, assuming 12-15 million for Kuroda.
by Chad Moriyama on Dec 5, 2011 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
Eric, very well said.
Some of those 2013 salaries are nothing short of stunning.
It really is amazing. I mean, I wrote off 2012 long, long ago, so to see a bunch of middling talent signed for this year means nothing to me. But 2013, I thought, could be the start of something new. Now it appears either there will be a huge rise in payroll or we defer that dream another year.
The 2013 payroll, especially once Harang hits it, is insane and depressing. It would drive me to drink, except, you know, I’m already there.
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but
you might be the only one eating fancy cheese.
unless HJ is too
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 5, 2011 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Grayson is today’s cheese.
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DODGER BLOGS
UNITE!!!!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 5, 2011 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
now I have the theme song in my head
awesoke
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 5, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
How are the total teams looking?
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 6, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
add Lilly, Uribe, Guerrier to the mix..
And its to the point where the Dodgers dont deserve to have a good team.
A lot of folk
milling about in the lobby of the hotel at the Winter Meetings. I saw Molly tweet it’s taking half an hour to get a drink at the Media bar.
Half an hour? ON REPEAL DAY?!?!
It’s an outrage, I tell you. An outrage!
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That’s OK, nobody wants my resume anywhere.
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Yu wood bee! rong.
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oh no, the Minty part changes. BH told USCchris to shut the fuck up after USC-UCLA. It was hilarious and kinda mean.
You would get full marks if it wasn’t obvious that the out-of-place exclamation point was a direct reference to Godspeed You! Black Emperor.
Instead, negative 28901372 Kavulapoints.
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I don’t like that.
Lately, I have been getting into minimalist classical music. I like this. The youtube clip doesn’t do it justice. You really gotta listen to the whole hour.
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boredoms can be
a tough pill to swallow, but i dig mostly….
maybe some Zorn?
i’ve been listening to almost ONLY Ben Folds and the Five lately.
I recently moved from a 16GB phone to a 64. This means I can now carry all my music with me. I put it on shuffle all songs. I’ve been listening to stuff I haven’t listened to in years.
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i only seem to
listen to music when i drive (and i’ve been driving a lot)
or when i fall into a youtube rabbit hole…
…many of the videos end up on facebook or here http://fuguechamps.tumblr.com/
I’m quite serious about Music for 18 Musicians. I’m kind of obsessed with it lately. Give it a shot. A college in Michigan (Grand Valley State U or something like that) put out a good recording a couple of years ago — that is the one I have.
Berkowit — where are you, Berkowit! — can tell you more about it, I’m sure.
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me I"ve been going the other way
and getting back into metal. Brutal Legend didn’t help slow the trend.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Could totally see Plaschke being a cock and ordering something that involves muddling with a 30 person line behind him.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
I’ve softened on Plashke after he wrote a nice piece on the Galaxy winning the cup. His style has no place in modern journalism, but at least he didn’t rip soccer just to rip it.
Any time you make your peace with Plaschke, you should go back and read the Sasha Cohen column to remind yourself what you’re really dealing with.
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In 1943, they had a name for men that took cheap shots at teenage girls.
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Hm. Maybe I’m thinking of 1973. 1983? Surely at some point it became unfashionable to take cheap shots at teenage girls.
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The Hell Scenario...
Dodgers in 2012 have a nightmare season where everything goes wrong…and we are constantly reminded that many of the same malfunctioning pieces are under contract for 2013.
Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
sounds like
the first half of 2011
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 5, 2011 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
Actually,
yes it is. Considering the tear we went on with Loney OPS’ing 1.000, Rivera being better than the rest of the people behind him, Rubby/Eo/Eveland improving the back end, and Lilly turning it around, we definitely could.
Especially since we have lottery tickets in Uribe and Ethier.
@TElciram
by Taylor Maricle on Dec 6, 2011 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
People keep saying this, but hot streaks are just that…hot streaks. When a team plays great for a month or two, that is encouraging, but you still need to expect some regression to the mean.
you aren’t flipping coins. the game is played by people against people. regressing to the mean doesn’t apply. taking larger sample sizes is great for making sure Player X isn’t evaluated too high or low based on a few good or bad games, but if he goes hot for two weeks, giving him more at bats doesn’t guarantee he’ll slow down. In fact, he won’ts low down until he gets hurt, fatigued, or the league adjusts to him. Just like because someone blows for two weeks doesn’t mean you should keep throwing them out there. If they don’t adjust, they continue to blow.
a team playing well for two whole months isn’t luck, and can certainly be continued and repeated.
Yea that is why so many players go on 162 game hitting streaks or bat over .400 and teams win 140 games per year…right.
All players and all teams go on hot and cold streaks, whether you want to call it the league “adjusting” or just call it a good run.
No amount of that can keep line drives from going right at people and crappy ground balls from finding holes.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
but we’re talking about the difference between .750 OPS and 1.100 OPS. Being scorching hot to extremely cold just to satisfy the averages. The bleeders/lince drives certainly average themselves out, i agree.
Once you get that kind of spread sure. But over a full season it can mean the difference between 2010 Casey Kotchman and 2011 Casey Kotchman.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
its mediocre
unless a ton of things go right. Hopefully they can, but there is probably more of a chance that they don’t then do.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
You come in with a $12M player, Ned will make change with a 2.75, 3.75 and a 5.5.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
by Nolij on Dec 6, 2011 8:52 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I just made a fan post on what our opening day 2012 roster could have been
The first scenario was the lower-risk, less money scenario. The second was what could we had a GM who was capable of thinking outside the box.
http://www.truebluela.com/2011/12/5/2614647/what-could-have-been-inside-the-box-and-outside-the-box
I was in the Philippines a month ago
Blissfully unaware of the disaster that was coming.
by The Dude Abides on Dec 5, 2011 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
My girlfriend lives there. We went to Bohol in the Visayas and Baguio in North Luzon, as well as hanging out in the Metro Manila area.
by The Dude Abides on Dec 5, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
Reminder
If you post a picture, please also post a subject (so people can click on the subject to minimize the picture if they choose).
Bill Shaikin is awesome
“Can we sign Prince for $3 million this year and $30 million the next year?” the Dodgers’ general manager said.
Shaikin crafted that into this:
If Fielder would take $10 million this season on a back-loaded contract, and if the Dodgers cut Loney and his projected $7-million salary, they really could sign Fielder for $3 million this year and $30 million the next year.
Not so sure that last part would work. Alas, the question was rhetorical.
Also this:
Frank McCourt’s sign-now, pay-later approach could haunt a new owner. So could next winter’s uninspiring class of free agents.
espn take on dodger moves
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/18997/dodgers-collect-30-something-mediocrities
The Dodgers are kind of like that guy you invited into your fantasy league in 2006 who hadn’t followed baseball in 10 years and immediately traded three players for Ken Griffey Jr.
Name recognition? Check.
Rigorous analysis of the players involved? Umm ..
what kind of statistical analysis are they fucking using?
OH HE HAD 14 WINS FOR A BAD TEAM SIGN ME THE HELL UP
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Colletti's risk aversion
would have been nice before he signed Jason Schmidt when he knew that his shoulder wasn’t worth shit.
by StolenMonkey86 on Dec 5, 2011 10:30 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Not fair!
Schmidt’s MRI showed a partially torn rotator cuff and Stan Conte said “no problem, don’t worry about that or his fastball’s drop in velocity, he’s a gamer!” It’s just bad luck that Schmidt subsequently tore his labrum as well. Those two injuries aren’t related!
by The Dude Abides on Dec 5, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
I’m no medical expert, but apparently the combination of those is a thing. But even then, why sign off on a guy who’s got a partially torn rotator cuff at that point in his career?
by StolenMonkey86 on Dec 5, 2011 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Ex-Giant
Conte was hired as Dodger head trainer right before the Schmidt signing. Conte was buds with both Ned and Schmidt in SF. Thus, Schmidt is a Dodger for 3 yrs/$47m despite an MRI diagnosis of a partially torn rotator cuff.
by The Dude Abides on Dec 5, 2011 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
$7,500,000 for a year of Harang at age 35
$6,000,000 for a year of Capuano at age 34 (2 Tommy Johns and a shoulder surgery)
$5,250,000 for a year of Ellis at age 36 (has not been able to stay healthy the past two seasons)
$3,750,000 for a year of Hairiston at age 37
Just had to stare at this for awhile.
Geez
Juan Uribe, meet your new buddies, they gonna make you look good.
I'm honestly not angry
just amazed. It went so fast into parody territory today I didn’t even get a chance to be angry.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
This is an insanity
that I don’t think even Ed Wade or Tony Reagins could accomplish in a few short weeks. The depravity of good sense, the awful value assessment and financial recklessness…it seems like Ned is stealing the future owner’s money to try a desperate and foolhardy no-holds-barred veteran fringe last-gasp beserk carpet ride.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
You're trying to outdo your Nedgasm/Peckinpaugh movie comment but you won't be able to :)
by The Dude Abides on Dec 5, 2011 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
But “desperate and foolhardy no-holds-barred veteran fringe last-gasp beserk carpet ride” is still pretty good.
by The Dude Abides on Dec 5, 2011 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
Shit if Ned is trying to make some desperate all in attempt to keep his job he’s shown exactly why he is not qualified to have it. Stars and scrubs can work. Scrubs and more scrubs cannot. I just don’t get it on any level. It doesn’t save money. It doesn’t really improve the team. It prevents us from improving the team. It’s almost like Ned wants to get fired. Like damn I hate this job but I like the paycheck please fire me so I can still collect for the next 3 years or whatever. I’m really starting to think Ned has turned into Peter from Office Space. How much can he get away with without being fired?
I really hope the new ownership group cleans house in the front office and installs a whole new team.
backfired with DH and CP3 were Gary Payton and Karl Malone
by Josie Becker on Dec 6, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Two players in their primes with ages that start with 2, compared to older stars on the downside.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
It’s why the Hot won the championship last year.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
getting to the finals is a good start to their partnership
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Lakers already done did that. Twicestyle
by Josie Becker on Dec 6, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Would not be shocked if the Clippers end up with Paul and the Lakers end up with Howard.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I would love watching a Clipper team with Paul and Griffin.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I can say, without any hyperbole, that would be the greatest thing ever
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Cardinals vs Dodgers
Cardinals sign Chris Carpenter to 2/21 (for 2012 and 2013)
Dodgers sign Capuano/Harang for 2/22
Cardinals sign Lance Berkman for 1/12 in 2012
Dodgers give 12mils to Rivera, Hairston, Ellis, Treanor for 2012 (nevermind 2013 when it gets worse)
If you’re going to gamble on old guys, why not at least sign guys that are difference makers?
by Joey Joe on Dec 5, 2011 11:09 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
That's pretty patronizing to someone making a legitimate point
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
by Pure Azure on Dec 6, 2011 6:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think his point is that a very good organization like the Cards spends money wisely, the Dodgers spent the same money on fringe players.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
by Pure Azure on Dec 6, 2011 6:37 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
But they were able to spend that money wisely because the market for Berkman and Carpenter began and ended in St. Louis.
those are 2 special cases
but there are quality free agents you can sign instead of spreading the wealth to the entire Misfit Toy Island of MLB players.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
by Pure Azure on Dec 6, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
In
All honesty the reaction here reminds me of this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gf8NK1WAOc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
heh
That’s what the trainers room will look like in August.
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 5, 2011 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
Ned likes old balls.
Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
by Skunkburner on Dec 5, 2011 11:13 PM PST via mobile reply actions
And then one day.......
After a decent day, one where I get to keep my job, live on in good health, and generally enjoy my life, I logged onto TBLA to read about my favorite team……………
Apparently, The Dodger GM has turned into the Devil himself. Ya see, a couple weeks after he extended the contract of the best player in baseball, paying him about 6-7 times the average salary in MLB, he had the gall to find a replacement for Jamey Gamer (who, by the way, is now an employee of the Minnesota Twins.), and Hiroki Kuroda (Who turned down a contract offer.) Both of which he managed to get for two years, for just over the league average salary of 3.1 million dollars. The general consensus was to have Ned tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. And maybe turned into a eunuch on the way.
And he also had the temerity to NOT offer 12 year, 400 million dollar contracts to Albert Pujols, Prince Fielder and a slew of others. The nerve of that guy! Sheesh!
The next thing Ned hasn’t done is trade Ethier, Loney, Sands, Gordon and anyone else who could be of value for a couple dozen balls, and a case of used Barry Bonds bats. Why, the man can’t get anything done!
And evidently Ned has also joined in a plot to de-ball the Dodgers for the next few years, by back loading the newest contracts, so that the new owners will be hamstrung until 2015, and the team will wallow in last place until then.
But I did manage to find out where I could get a decent hamburger, what the best new show on TV is, pictures of beautiful women, how to apply WAR and how to get my Ph.D.
At this point, I just hung my head, Z’d through to the next thread, and searched for at least a glimmer of hopefulness in the next post. I don’t think I’ve ever been brought back to reality quite as fast as a trip through this post. Don’t get me wrong, I think everybody should have an opinion as to what is going on with the team, but c’mon! Trolling is a Federal offense.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
I get what you're saying
But aren’t you making an assumption about Kuroda?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 6, 2011 7:27 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I may have, but if the team really wanted him, he would be on the roster.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
he has to agree to the deal. I don’t blame Ned for going after other starters, I blame him for getting aaron harang. Getting to the winter meetings without knowing if your prime target even wants to stay in the country is unfair to the team. So he’s been on the team for four years, so what? They owe him nothing. You know what you get out of playing in LA, you either like it or you don’t, and either way let us know so we can plan accordingly.
Cultural differences maybe? I don’t know what all the players in this little melodrama were doing, but it seems miscommunication is rampant, or at least not reported correctly in the media.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
You see I am more mature than everyone because
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by regfairfield on Dec 6, 2011 7:28 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
No one is trolling. You’ve been here long enough to know what you get with the comments. You can always read the articles then comment on Dodger Thoughts
But..but..I’m logged onto TBLA!
No, I don’t think anyone but Meercat trolls intentionally. And he only does it to get conversations started.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
People are pissed off, but that doesn’t mean they’re actively getting their jollies off of making other people pissed off. That’s all, but I get what you’re saying.
i will say
i don’t HATE WITH ALL MY MIGHT the signings. are they not good signings? yes.
are we smart people who have a much more practical, analysis-based approach than Ned appears to have? yes.
but for how annoying (and painful money-wise, especially next year) these signings are they are:
1) better than signing someone like Pierre to a long term deal
2) better than signing someone like Luis Gonza to block a good young player
Baseball is a funny sport. I still have hope for this team – what with Adam Kennedy turning into AK-47 and Aaron Harang getting a 10th place vote for Cy Young.
Look at the Cards, the Giants, and the Padres in the years past. What practical person would have ever predicted that shit?
I actually expect to like even all five of these guys for 2012; I was just taken aback at the ramifications for 2013
i have a feeling
i will be going “wait WHO?” to Mark Ellis and Matt Treanor the whole season, but i doubt I will hate any of them.
at least until AK-47 goes 0-for-47
I understand that, but I think that’s the price of poker nowadays. If we waited for the market to thin out, and the pries to come down, so does the talent level. It’s better to pay a little more to get what you can than take the leavings after they’ve been sifted through.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
But then the question becomes “what did we actually get?”
And that’s where we sit back and say “not a whole lot”
Also, after years of hoping that each year’s talent level would get progressively better, we’re stuck with a situation where—as you put it earlier—we’re leveraging the future (2013 via the backloaded contracts) to acquire questionable talent in the near-term. Regardless of the outcome, it’s a dangerous way to do business.
I really enjoyed this post
I think you’re right to the point that we are acting like Chicken Little and the sky is falling, when maybe we shouldn’t.
I will say that yes we all wanted (for the most part) Kuroda back, instead we got Harang and Capuano for 2 years each. Yes neither is as good, but if we go off the last 2 years for both guys we will get decent to good 4 and 5 pitchers (I’m assuming Lilly will be our 3), so it fills up 2 spots instead of just 1. Yes it blocks Eovaldi, but honestly how many people thought he would start the season in the rotation or even wanted him there? Now he can go back to AA or AAA (hopefully AA) and work on his pitches and get ready for the majors later on in the season as a back up.
As for Hairston, I said yesterday we just resigned a slightly worse Jamey Carroll, but Carroll is a year older, so they may be on the same level offensively at this point anyways. Carroll was a better fielder from what I can tell, but with another year his fielding may get worse too. It’s nearly a wash as far as Hairston to Carroll goes, in my opinion.
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I enjoyed it most because I didn't think he would post anything like that
and it amused me.
You more than everyone hated the Capuano and Harang signings, but they’ve shown they can be solid pitchers, which is fine to stabilize a rotation. It’s going to suck not having Kuroda, but 1-5 Kershaw Bills Lilly Harang Capuano isn’t too bad.
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Harang for 2 years 12 million
even best case scenario, is highway robbery. Capuano seems like maybe it could work out.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
And it’s annoying to put effort into explaining why these signings suck and then getting called Chicken Little.
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A lot of things are annoying to you
so the less I care about what is the better off I am.
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Oh go whine about how your friend won’t touch your weiner.
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Don't make Eric sic DodgerofTroll(ey)s on you.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
(--both)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
If this can't be seen as a joke I don't know what can
Whats the difference, you’re their all-time best seller
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If mine can't be seen as a joke (aimed at both of you)
not sure what else to say, other than
;)
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One thing is clear
Not one signing or resigning has been a good one yet. I would say that Kennedy for what he’s making isn’t bad, just neutral, as well as Hairston wasn’t bad, just won’t be good.
Harang may be too far gone from his 2007 skills to be not a bad signing, but at this point (him already having been signed, or thought to) I’m ok with watching how he does. I’m less optimistic about Capuano, but at least his strike out and walk numbers are looking nice.
Ellis has good defense, and that’s all I can come up with for him. Rivera has had power in the past, maybe he can tap into it again, we’ll have to see. Likely a bad resigning for 4+ million.
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but saying that was a good signing
would go against the logic that giving big contracts are bad, and thus we are better off signing the guys we signed instead of, say, Fielder.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
I have no problem with big contracts in the slightest
I’d certainly rather have Fielder, Pujols, CC (if he hadn’t extended with the Yankees) right now than anyone we’ve signed.
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Was it not? He was under control for 1 more year, wouldn’t you consider it an extension? Extension or resigning it was still a good move, so besides the Kemp 8 year deal no move is considered good.
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If you want an argument against the Kemp contract, criticize Colletti for waiting until someone nearly wins an MVP before their walk year to lock them up for market value. Good signing but hardly a coup.
I think that’s easy to say from the outside. If you were Colleti, would you have risked your reputation (which is what it would have been) to sign Matt Kemp after his terrible 2010? Remember, Colleti tried that after Andruw’s terrible final year in Atlanta, and it doesn’t always work out that these guys bounce back.
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
It's not a good value, per say
But a good move to keep him here for so long.
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So, uh, is it sad that I’m already trying to find out who will be a free agent in 2014 for the Dodgers to get?
not sad
It’s unnecessary after we trade for Votto :)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 6, 2011 7:49 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Wish the Dodgers were after home run prone slop ballers so we could be in on that.
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I’m gonna throw in my two cents after reading everyone else’s thoughts over the last couple of posts recapping their perspective of our off season thus far. I’d like to also state that one of the things I like best about TBLA is the vast difference of opinions yet always backed with a good argument and the average baseball IQ of the majority of members far supercedes 99% of people I meet in person and attempt to discuss baseball with.
My expectations going into the offseason were extremely low. I knew payroll was getting cut from $110 to $90 and didn’t think anything positive would happen. So when my favorite player signed long term I made a promise to myself that I’d remain happy no matter what because that in and of itself was way more than I could have ever hoped for. Inactivity was what I expected and our GM seems to have done the exact opposite by being the most active. I do think he’s gone overboard in a couple of areas such as stockpiling similar players and signing them for too long, but he is doing something to make the team better and I can’t fault him for that. I could complain but nobody listens when I do. If one of the youngsters end up becoming ready for our rotation than Cap or Harang can become depth or trade fodder. I think Colletti’s efforts in risk aversion could be just that if we get hit with the injury bug which has happened so many times to us before. He’s gotten some versitile players with veteran experience and can hold the fort down if one or more parts of the machine break. I’m not blown away by any of the moves but I’d rather see moderate improvement than nothing at all.
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All fair points, but when opening day rolls around and our 4th and 5th starters are snuggled safely on the bench along with our expensive role players, we will still likely be looking at Juan Uribe at 3b, AJ Ellis at C, Mark Ellis at 2b, and Juan Rivera in LF. However good the other four starters are (and that includes a very green SS and a barely-hanging-on 1b), that’s a tough handicap to overcome.
My question is: do you think this situation is unique only to the Dodgers?
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
Yeah pretty much. There’s a few other teams completely weighed down by crap but it’s not a plague spreading the league.
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Are we completely weighed down though? The only player that is really preventing us from upgrading that position right now is Uribe. We’ve committed a lot to 2013 but I’m not sure how big an impendiment it will be toward upgrading some of these positions. I think the biggest misstep is we are missing out on premier talent now when it won’t be available in the future.
This team is looking near complete and most of it aside from Loney and Ethier is coming back next year.
I guess what makes this the worst is that only the truly generational players stay on top for years. Unless Kershaw and Kemp are destined to be first ballot Hall of Famers the window where we have the two best players in the league is very small and unless we’re willing to gut the farm they’re gonna be surrounded by aging players that weren’t very good to begin with.
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Right, the team is nearly complete but I’m not sure what other players we could reasonably get for 2013 that would be a clear upgrade. Brandon Phillips instead of Ellis?
You can’t see who can be an upgrade over a POS like Mark Ellis?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
that boat sailed, is he not talking about 2013?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Is it better to have one player weighing you down for 15+ million like Zito, Soriano, Wells, etc...
or having a few players putting the same or more value at near the same price combined?
I’m really not sure at this point.
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Good point
I almost forgot completely about Beltran at this point.
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word is
Marlins offered Pujols a 10 year deal
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 6, 2011 8:07 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Marlins could have a very, very good team this year.
The NL East is going to be tough for the next few years.
What happens when their owners are all in jail for grand larceny?
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
I’m fairly certain more injuries have occurred over Monopoly home rules disputes than for any other reason.
i have a small imprint of an iron over my right eyebrow from when I was 9 and my sister refused to pay me rent
It’s good to hear a Johnny Dangerously ref. now and then.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
this is the best result for me
marlins get rejuvenated and loria goes to jail for a little bit..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 6, 2011 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
Aren’t may people in baseball I loathe more than Loria.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 6, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
guess marlins aren't fooling around
reports saying the offer is over 200 mil
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/3165/albert-pujols
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by gdl on Dec 6, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
Pujols is going to look weird in a Miami Marlins uniform.
Mainly because, damn, those uniforms are ugly.
The longer this drags on, the more likely it is to me he leaves STL. I wonder if there’s a part of STL ownership that secretly wants this (they got his best years, two championships).
Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com:
Marlins seem to believe they’ll have answer on Pujols this afternoon
Simple question, if it bothers you, fuck off
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
We were concerned when you were weighing the options of leaving your current position for another one awhile back.
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Pretty good blog covering the WM
I’m not a Twitter guy so I have to do as my forefathers did: depend on blogs.
Fangraphs gains entry into the BBWAA, SBNation doesn’t. Eric should be personally insulted.
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Neyer said BBWAA said Baseball Nation was "too knew"
Grant Brisbee had a sense of humor about it, tweeting to me, “Their other reason: ‘That one guy would just forget to fill out his BBWAA awards ballot. No thanks.’”
Haha
But it’s been around longer than Fangraphs.
Unless only baseball nation counts.
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Twitter.
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by regfairfield on Dec 6, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
damn sleep, I missed everything this morning
by Josie Becker on Dec 6, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Gaslamp Ball dragging us down again.
/Tweet reuse
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BizofBaseball
was also turned down, and wrote a great missive on the subject.
Remember, you’re applying as an outlet with individuals underneath, not as a person.
Which I thought was really interesting. I know you were joking, but Gaslamp Ball has little to nothing to do with sbnation.com and Baseball Nation. It’s our full time level people that are applying, and are close to getting recognition (thanks to Rob Neyer, natch, who can still be involved as an at-large member)
Rearranging the deck chairs
Kuroda-Capuano
Padilla/Garland-Harang
Carroll-Ellis
Thames-Rivera
Miles-Hairston
While I agree that loading down his replacement with useless 2013 contracts is bad, my biggest gripe is the simple lack of imagination.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 6, 2011 8:43 AM PST reply actions
Even then it’s more like replacing nice cushioned seats with WWE folding chairs.
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John Larroquette once said there were five stages of an actor’s career:
1. John who?
2. Get me John Larroquette.
3. Get me a young John Larroquette.
4. Get me a John Larroquette type.
5. John who?"
After Pierre/Schmidt/Jones/bankruptcy, Ned became a stage 4 guy. “Carroll wants how much? Forget it, I’ll sign, uh, let’s see who’s out there.”
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 6, 2011 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
Or back in February, when a neo-Confederate speaker in Montgomery AL compared himself to Harry Potter.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 6, 2011 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
“Replace Nolan Ryan? – Yeah, we’ll just sign two 8 and 7 pitchers.”
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
Someone explain the concept of replacement level players to Ned.
Why pay $3-6 mil instead of using $400k guys that might develop?…even fans like continuity…young guys who stick will play for years and allow you to concentrate $s on impact guys. A slew of old, hired guns. Jeez.
We have 5 guys who I am sure have recieved the last real $ contracts of their careers. Wow.
And Ethier has not been extended. We will lose him one way or another in 12 months or less. Not a happy thought, and I am not confident Ned can trade him for useful young parts at the deadline.
by megaballs on Dec 6, 2011 8:45 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
The most money Jerry Hairston has ever made in his career is $2.3 million, in 2006. The Dodgers will pay him $2.25 million for his age 36 season, and that is the reduced, front-loaded portion of his contract!
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I still think
The only way financially 2012 works is for Loney and Ethier to be playing else where
by bhsportsguy on Dec 6, 2011 8:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
After quickly looking at the payroll for next year, I guess Loney and Ethier will be back (otherwise you are looking at an under 80M payroll before dead money). But for 2013, that’s another question.
I am an Ethier fan, and I think he’s a key to success in 2012, but if you are going to move him, you had better get something good for him. Not more utility infielders. This team needs a bat like….like…..Ethier!
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
In the new CBA you can’t receive compensation for players you just traded for which is going to drive the return for guys like Ethier down even more.
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Yeah since we can get a pick and the other team can’t there’s a good chance that keeping Ethier will be the best option no matter what.
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That will certainly change the deadline landscape. I didn’t notice that new rule before.
by BFDC on Dec 6, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve actually wondered myself if Ethier still might be moved.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 6, 2011 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
BBWAA awards to be televised on MLB Network starting next year
per Rob Neyer. Also these two notes:
That’s the lesser change. The greater change is this: According to the plan, during the week before those four programs, there will be a special to announce the finalists: three apiece for Manager of the Year, Rookie of the Year, and Cy Young Awards; five finalists for each of the Most Valuable Player Awards.
In other awards news, the BBWAA (including I) voted to rescind “the Schilling Rule,” which would have disqualified any player, beginning in 2013, from winning a BBWAA award if his contract included any payment tied to said award.
More on that last part
Anyway, in the wake of Schilling’s contract the Schilling Rule was passed, but wasn’t slated to apply until 2013. But now it won’t apply at all, because the vote was overwhelmingly to rescind. Apparently there’s been some agreement, official or not, that contracts won’t include those particular clauses any more. It’s a lovely thing when the BBWAA and player agents work together for the betterment of all…
More Neyer
It was called “the Schilling Rule” because a few years ago, Curt Schilling had a clause in his contract stipulating an extra one million dollars if he were named on just one Cy Young ballot, no matter his overall finish. In the event, he wasn’t named on a ballot, but the BBWAA instituted the rule anyway. Presumably because of fears that if a player could get a million bucks for a single third-place vote, someone might be tempted to enter into a, shall we say, inappropriate financial arrangement.
Do you mean Arnold Rothstein isn’t really dead?
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
I just saw him in Atlantic City with Nucky Thompson a few days ago.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 6, 2011 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
My wife was grading papers while I watched the latest BE last night. Our exchange:
Her: Do you think think the two main characters look alike?
Me: Who?
Her: The two two blond guys
Me: It was a flashback
Her: Oh.
Before and after creepy incest.
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by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 6, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
SHIT! Ned's disease is spreading all over LA!
Lakers are close to a 2 year deal with Jason Kapono, we dont need to waste a roster spot on him!
from what I read
all he can do is shoot 3s.. cant defend, cant rebound. sometimes doesnt even run back on transition..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 6, 2011 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
Capuano, Kapono. They’re close.
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It really does sadden me how people that are so incompetent are able to get high level jobs and make a ton of money. Obviously it happens in every line of work, but following Dan Guerrero try to hire a football coach and Ned Colletti try to put together a team full of 30+ utility infielders and 5th starters is just startling. How can people that employ them watch over this an nod their heads, in effect saying, “I see what you’ve done here, and I like it!” Or maybe I’m just in a melancholy and depressed mood because of finals and both guys know exactly what they are doing…
by UCLADodger32 on Dec 6, 2011 9:12 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
speaking of bad gm's
this made me lol
The Cubs are “trying to interest” the Orioles in Alfonso Soriano, according to Phil Rogers of the Chicago Tribune.
‘that idiot ned is all out of money. whos the next dumbest gm here? try duquette..’
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 6, 2011 9:20 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Loney
Given Ned’s recent track record, can we assume this:
Loney is offered arbitration.
Loney signs two year deal, backloaded (of course).
But, can players be offered multi-year deals when they are in arbitration?
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arbitration guarantees a 1 year contract, but the player and team can come to an agreement at any time, including after arbitration is awarded.
i actually hope this happens. As it stands, James Loney is the top 2013 first baseman free agent. The list is:
Jason Giambi (42)
Aubrey Huff (36) – $10MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Adam LaRoche (33) – $10MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
Carlos Lee (37)
James Loney (29)
Mike Napoli (31)
Ty Wigginton (35) – $4MM club option with a $500K buyout
so if he signs a 2 year deal, we get to see how he plays out, and get to have the spot open for 2014.
Who are the free agents at 1B in 2014?
The trouble with giving Loney two more years is that there’s a good argument that 2010 was his make-or-break year. He has two months of good (well, great) production in the last four years. Maybe he has finally put it all together, but I think it’s far more likely that we know who Loney is and what he can produce.
That said, I agree that that list of FA for ‘13 isn’t so hot. That is another reason why I advocated Fielder. He was a perfect fit: poor option in the majors, no young bat in the minors, no other option available soon.
Sigh.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 6, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
he has 2 months every season where he goes off. I don’t know yet if he’s going to stay great or go back to being James, but given those options above, I’d rather see James Loney get a 2 year deal for 2012-2013 and see where he’s at than go into free agency in 2013 hoping for an internal option to show itself.
Yep – if we get Jim Loney it would be a great deal for the Dodgers.
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even James is better than that lot. It just becomes a question of if you could have a prospect or Jerry Sands play there for free and provide the same output.
how is Napoli not better than Loney?
unless he wants to still catch or something, but the wiser career move would be 1B
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I think Napoli is being ignored becaseu
he is really a catcher, not a 1st baseman.
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You think Napoli would be so bad at defense at 1st
that loney would be a more valuable first basemen? Not so sure about that.
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Mike Napoli career OPS .873
Mike Napoli Non-Rangers division .831
James Loney career OPS .778
I think if you normalize for ballpark and take away any bonuses Napoli gets for “catching”, it’s negligible.
Also take into account Napoli has only ever had one season you could even come close to considering a “full” season. 140 games is BY FAR the most he’s played, and it’s usually closer to 90. Is that all Mathis catching and Vlad or whoever taking the DH spot? Even this year he only played like 110 games.
I can't find DL information
but yes, Scoiscia was a dick to him
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if you look at ops+ its not close
and you can’t throw away napoli’s best year but not throw away loneys best year.
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threw it out because of where he played. Have to assume (could be wrong) that he’d have had a normal Napoli OPS had he not played there (though I didn’t look up his home/road splits)
he…he hit better on the road last year?
Would’ve been really cool if he didn’t play in only 70% of the games.
its good you actually looked at how many games he plays at catcher and how many he plays elswhere
instead of just saying something stupid.
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C: 61
1B: 35
DH:18
If he wants to catch 60 games a year, or if the manager wants him to catch 60 games a year, fine, but then he A) still doesn’t factor into the 1B free agency class discussion and B) should play 100 games at either 1B or DH. There’s no reason for his bat to not be in the lineup everyday unless he’s hurt.
This wsa the first year that he had a manager that didn't seem to irrationally dislike him
and yes he was injured this year. I’m not sure how playing more games at catcher makes a 1b/dh who “sometimes” catches.
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either way
even with his injury last year he was far and away far more valuable then loney, even without positional adjustments. When loney can post an ops over 850 for an entire season get back to me. Or we’ll just celebrate the dodgers winning the WS together.
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i said sometimes “catches” not “sometimes” catches. It’s all in the " ". Dude has caught, but he’s a bad catcher.
he looked terrible throwing out
all those baserunners in the WS, you are right.
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he would be more valuable then loney if all he did was play first
he would be even more valuable then loney if all he did was catch.
He is more valuable then Loney.
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Always better to normalize unless you have a very good reason/
Yes I know I did this with Aaron Harang.
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Napoli was at like 6 WAR this year wasn't he for fangraphs
If he played first the worst he could do was maybe 4-5 as just a 1B I bet.
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So Ned said something about making these deals puts us in position to do something trade wise in middle of season? Since none of these guys signed can bring anything back in a trade, is it possible he is talking about possible trading D Gordon ( and some) for a bat?
If Billingsley is actually good, you’ll need him. Pennant runs aren’t made with one stud pitcher and a bunch of 4/5 pitchers.
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
yes
part of the many things we need to go right is for billingsley to step up to replace kuroda, and lilly to step up to replace billingsley. If they can do that I can live with Cap and harang at 4/5… maybe.
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Ned needs an intervention
He has an addiction to lame middle infielders. Hopefully one of them can have a Milesque model of mediocrity season or drive in 5 or 6 runs all year like Carroll. At least if they all bust, Juan Castro is on Ned’s speed dial. Oh wait didn’t he die last week at the age of 94?
i'm usually the one being upset that other people are upset
and I"m having a hard time having an issue with the reaction to these signings.
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This is quietly quite a trade
RT @jonmorosi: #WhiteSox acquire Nestor Molina from #BlueJays for Sergio Santos.
Molina’s one of the Jays’ top pitching prospects, no? And Santos had 30 saves for Sox last year. (92Ks in 63 ip)
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Sox soured on him after the Mitchell homer :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha, forgot that was him.
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Toronto is cleaning the slate of all Molinas. Alfred won’t be allowed in the city limits either.
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by Nolij on Dec 6, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not tradeable, under studio contract
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Nah not really, though he looks it in that picture.
Molina can go play all sorts, including going back to playing his native British, i.e., the dad in An Education.
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I typed that because I forgot whether it was he or Langella who played Clare Quilty in Lolita. For some reason they were tied up in my mind. I love Langella. I mostly remember Molina from Frida.
Not Doctor Octopus?
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 6, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
I was going to make a Humbert Humbert joke, but then decided, “Nah, back off.”
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Just don’t try to rhyme “cough” and “Nabakov”
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by David Young on Dec 6, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Langella's great but Peter Sellers will always be Clare Quilty to me.
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I’m sorry but you’re too old now to be saying things like that
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
True, I would not really have jizzed in my pants, but I would have been excited and stopped saying bad things about Ned
I worry that if Ned trades Guerra he'll just re-sign MacDougal to be our closer instead.
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Depending on what you get for Guerra, there’s worse things that could happen
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
The key part of that sentence was more "If NED trades Guerra..."
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A more expensive reliever.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
You think this is hyperbole?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I remeber McDonald was pretty effective in relief but he didn’t become a closer and rack up saves, which is probably a measurement that Ned relies on heavily.
I don't think its rediculous hyperbole when that trade happend just a couple years ago
it probably won’t happen, but honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if it did.
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he didn’t become a closer and rack up saves, which is probably a measurement that Ned relies on heavily.
If true, then just another example of Ned = dumb
Santos is 28 and has two seasons in the majors. I get the comp, but he’s 4 years older.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I was saying more specifically because Santos converted from SS and is a hard thrower
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Santos was a super stud last year but he’s a 28 year old reliever.
Was a 22 year old starter with one of the best K/BBs in the minor leagues this year. Santos is awesome, this is a much better deal than the one the Rangers made for Mike Adams, but the Jays can easily get burned by this since they aren’t in win now mode.
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by regfairfield on Dec 6, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
its notthat good
he’ll be owed 6 then 8 then 8.75 starting in 2015
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dude ur tripping
his contract is amazing…
Under the terms of the agreement, Santos will receive $1 million in 2012, $2.75 million in 2013 and $3.75 million in 2014. The White Sox hold a $6-million club option in 2015, an $8-million option in 2016 and an $8.75-million option in 2017.
yeah
for whatever type of player… what is your point
no I mean santos is a reliever
He pitched all of 63 innings last year. Woo.
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It’s good, but he’s a reliever. Relievers go south very fast.
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yeah but this guys fastball slider combo is DEAdly and hes been only pitching a few years....
and they gave up a guy with 22 career IP above A ball…. and everyone projects him as a reliever…. so …
So who is getting the boot for Harang? Pick one:
Troncoso
Oeltjen
Mitchell
Kuo (early non-tender)
Eveland (early non-tender)
My guess is Troncoso, but wouldn’t be surprised to see The Aussie get the boot.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Arguably, all those guys are terrible, save Kuo (and he's too risky)
but yeah I wouldn’t mind if Tron is never a bullpen temptation again. He just never got it back together and served up BP last year.
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Troncoso is on another level of terribleness, though.
Troncoso is on a plane of terribleness that is hard to comprehend.
Ya, you could argue Mitchell has value in that he’s a warm body that can hold a bat and field a position (though Ned made that less of a concern since he signed a dozen players who can all play third base.)
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Soooo... what's the latest estimated timetable for sale of the Dodgers?
Mid-2012 at earliest? Or could it be earliest-er?
/counts down days til Colletti is let go by a new ownership
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Ooo, that's not too bad...
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Though
McCourt did it right before the season (hired Depodesta) I still think the new owners will start with the Finance and other admin jobs before making changes in season for baseball ops.
So...
Bg East is gonna add Boise St, Houston, Central Floriday, San Diego St, and SMU.
Not sure that bolsters their case to keep a BCS game.
Boise is a gem, obv. But Houston is gonna be cashed after their 7 yr SR QB is gone. SDSU is a nice school. SMU hasn’t really prgressed under June Jones like Hawaii did with him.
by keithc13 on Dec 6, 2011 10:26 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
what teams would be in the division when all is said and done
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The five schools have been long rumored as candidates to join a battered league that has seen the defections of Pitt, Syracuse, TCU and West Virginia in the last few months, leaving it with five football-playing members.
Navy is also expected to join as a football-only member once some “loose ends” are ironed out, a source told ESPN.com’s Andy Katz.
Cant really answer your question since its still forming itself, but the teams mentioned join, the teams I posted are leaving, so there you go…. I dont know who is remaining.
Seton Hall, Georgetown, St. John’s, Marquette…
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Right, all the basketball schools. It’s still a very good basketball conference, but that apparently doesn’t matter anymore. Gotta make that money I guess.
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
I thought I saw a tweet in passing yesterday with a map layout, but I can’t find it.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
The schools' travel bookers worst nightmare
And travel budgeters, too, for that matter. Yikes, what a geographic mess.
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Is this football only, or are they really going to have San Diego state in the same conference as teams like Rutgers and Providence which would require travel for all the non-revenue sports?
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Boise State and San Diego State will enter the league for football only programs, sources told ESPN.com.
Navy is also expected to join as a football only school…. still looks like a pretty crappy conference if you ask me, these teams just moved from a crappy Mountain West to a crappy Big East. The conference name changes, but the crap remains the same.
Hm, I wonder if they both join the Big West otherwise.
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
I’d like to see the Big East split into two divisions, the Big East East and the Big East West
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
The 12-team Big Ten, of course.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
As oppose to the ten team Big 12.
/seriously
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
The Big Ten. Which has 12 teams. And has a lame logo that translates to B1G.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
The G looks like a 0, so it is both “BIG” and “B10”
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
This is what the BCS has done to CFB. Everyone wants a piece of the BCS pie, and teams are forced to move to get a better shot at that pie. Conference names are just names now, real geographical ties are no more for some. BCS is the Devil!!!
or its what modern travel and the internet have done to us as a society
geographic boundaries or obstacles are simply no longer as meaningful
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Not exclusive to college
The Atlanta Braves were in the National League West.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers were in the AFC West, then the NFC Central
The Atlanta Falcons and New Orleans Saints were in the NFC West.
The Chicago Cubs were in the NL East while the Chicago White Sox were in the AL West.
I’m sure there were some NBA oddities as well; those were just off the top of my head.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
It matters to me. I dont want the Lakers winning the Eastern Conference…. I mean, id take it, but I take pride in playing for the WEST!
Simmer down before you get yourself worked up again
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
The Dallas Cowboys are in the NFC East.
Texas Rangers (same city mind you) are in the NL West.
Dallas can basically go wherever I guess.
Also the Memphis Grizzlies are in the Southwest Division. Minnesota Timberwolves in the Northwest.
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
And East Carolina isn’t even a state!
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by Nolij on Dec 6, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The buffalo bills are in orchard park!
NY is bad at geography
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Lakers weren’t for years. Cowboys are in Irving, TX.
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
In a related story
Fuck the Pistons. Still bitter about 1989, and 2005.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
I try not to troll the Lakers fans here too much, but 2005 killed me. I hate Kobe, and that was Kobe at his absolute worst. “I don’t care, get rid of Shaq or I’m taking all you fuckers with me.”
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
I think I have told this story before
but my mom wasn’t a big sports fan at all, other than occasionally watching baseball and/or hosting the World Series or Super Bowl pool at her work, but once Game 5 was over in 2005, she made the greatest taunting phone call of all time, to me.
I picked up the phone, and she said in a sing-songy voice, “Rapists never wi-in.”
And hung up.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
I dont know what I would have done to my mom had she done that. But I hate when people who dont even care about sports taunt me. Why would you do that? If you dont care before, dont care now.
because it annoys you
and they find it funny that people get worked up over sports.
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yeah I guess so….. im not into politics at all, but my grandpa yelled at me once in my life. It was over politics… I was a little kid calling Micheal Dukakis Micheal Do KaKa back in 84? I didnt care about politics, I was a kid, but man did he get pissed that day.
“I can’t believe I’m losing to this guy.”
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
“Now fucking Dana gets to be the fucking president during the opening every week.”
by The Dude Abides on Dec 6, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
She has a sick sense of humor, like me. I was mad at first, but then I just started laughing. It was genius.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
my grandma and I had a rivalry like that with the angels
she would call me at 1am just to make sure i knew the score of a game like an interleague angel win or angel playoff win and hangup on me.
You don’t want us to just keep randomly throwing examples out as we think of them?
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Here are the teams according to Wikipedia:
NBA:
Detroit Pistons play in Aubrun Hills, MI
MLB:
Los Angeles Angeles of Anaheim play in Anaheim, CA
NFL:
New York Giants/Jets play in East Rutherford, NJ
Washington Redskins play in Landover, MD
Dallas Cowboys play in Arlington, TX
Miami Dolphins play in Miami Gardens, FL
Buffalo Bills play in Orchard Park and Toronto, Canada
NHL:
New York Islanders play in Uniondale, NY (which is on Long Island, so… not sure if this counts or not)
Phoenix Coyotes play in Glendale, AZ.
by fbihop on Dec 6, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Does being in the Los Angeles Basin count for Anaheim?
by Josie Becker on Dec 6, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
I was going by city borders, not regions.
Otherwise, the list would just be NY Jets/Giants and Washington Redskins.
Then why did you just throw the Tampa Bay region at me?
Tampa Bay is also a city
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this is my confusion. Either we’re getting around to acknowledging the existence of regions, or we’re sticking with the only within city limits theme
by Josie Becker on Dec 6, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
“Tampa Bay” is not the name of any municipality. This misconception probably stems from the naming of several professional sports franchises (including the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Tampa Bay Lightning, Tampa Bay Rays, and FC Tampa Bay) whose names represent the collective Tampa Bay Area, the hub of which is the city of Tampa, Florida.2
But los angeles could refer to the city, the county or the region too.
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As could New York, so that’s why I put the qualifier on the Islanders.
But since all the teams named LA in the four major sports are located in Los Angeles (the city) according to Wikipedia, it didn’t matter.
but not the Angels
unless you disqualify due to the Of Anaheim
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Little known fact: the Dodgers spring training facility, while claiming itself to be in Glendale, is actually technically in the city of Phoenix
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
It’s in the city of Phoenix, but the land is owned by the city of Glendale. (And it also abuts on Glendale.)
Pretty much all of those are just suburbs of the city.
You wouldn’t tell someone you just met who lived across the country that you lived in Encino (just for example). You would say I’m from LA…
Ah yes, what’s more important than counties in this day and age.
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
When talking about LA?
people don’t think of LA the city, they think of the county.
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Therefore, the Angels should move to Palmdale.
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
I would argue that east of the Mississippi, when people talk about LA, they are talking about the metro region that spreads not quite as far north as Santa Barbara and not quite as far south as San Diego.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 6, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
This is correct. And really, it’s correct of pretty much every sports team. It represents the metro area, not a particular city, county or state.
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
I can agree with that
to most people east of the mississipppiii OC and LA are just one big glob of horrible.
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Get dumped out of the playoffs despite having an unstoppable super team?
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by regfairfield on Dec 6, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Losing in the championship despite having a freak of nature center in the prime of his career who couldn’t be stopped because the petulant shooting guard chucked up 50 shots a game because he didn’t want to share the glory.
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
I remember who exasperated Phil Jackson was after Game 4, when Shaq just went off (something like 28 points, 20 boards) but the Lakers still lost. Jackson said something like, “We just wasted one of the great performances.”
That year was so frustrating.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Reporter to Shaq: It seemed like you could score pretty much at will but they stopped going to you.
Shaq to reporter: Story of my life bro
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Shaq with a microphone was pretty classic. Looking forward to him on TNT
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
I must be the only person on the planet who never liked him
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There was certainly a time when Kobe liked Shaq.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
I hate him. He’s always trying too hard to be funny. And everyone acts like he’s Jerry Seinfeld when he says something kind of amusing.
Who aaaare these people?
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by Nolij on Dec 6, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
thats pretty much it
OH MAN HE CALLED THEM THE QUEENS? ROFLSAUCE!.
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always should be used more sparingly then it is.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
didn't he show up out of shape to camp
the last 3 to 4 years with the lakers, then go the heat and miraculously show up in shape?
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So if I could summarize what you are saying, you can’t dig it?
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
yeah but you are a Clipper fan, there is zero to say. What can a Clipper fan say really? Now Celtics, etc, teams who win and have won can troll us, but a Clipper fan trolling a Laker fan is like someone driving a Kia making fun of someone driving a Bentley. Shit, say whatever you want, but at the end of the day your still driving a Kia, and were still driving a Bentley.
There are rules to trolling, rules to talking shit. If your team isnt shit, you cant tak shit. For example, as a Kings fan, Red Wings are untouchable. Even if Kings beat Red Wings in a game, or playoffs, I cant touch what the Red Wings have done, yet, so I wont say a thing. Ill be happy Kings won, but wont rub it in a Wings fan face.
so I wont say a thing. Ill be happy Kings won, but wont rub it in a Wings fan face.
sure you would, you must not know who you are.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
more like a Clipper fan driving the Kia, while the Laker fan simply watches someone else driving the Bentley. How many Laker games have you actually seen where you aren’t in the kill kid seats?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
wait what? look man, im just being honest. Its nothing against the Clippers, but until you can enjoy the success the Lakers have, and consistently, not just for 1 season, how can you really say much? But were all different.
If I can say whatever you want why are you responding to me for the second time in this thread?
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
That always slayed me for years, but everything is so densely packed back there. In reality, their stadium is 9 miles from Times Square. I know it’s still technically a whole different state, but it makes a bit more sense to me because of the proximity.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Closer to Times Square than Yankee Stadium is.
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
its probably less then 30 miles from anaheim stadium to the border of LA
probably closer to 20. maybe even less then 20. I mean… ya know. Its silly, but
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Yeah, I dont know how I would feel as a NY fan with my teams in another state. I wouldnt like that I dont think.
Considering your personality, I don’t think you’d like it either.
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
I was going to say, as the crow flies, it can’t be far from the southeastern edge of LA City.
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
its shockingly close
closer to 10 then 15. Basically, get the over it people! Its stupid but their hardly the only team that does it.
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I don’t even think it’s stupid. I think it makes perfect sense to try to identify with the much larger city to the north rather than the city known around the country for Disneyland. Makes perfect business sense.
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
of Anaheim is pretty silly
but it does make some business sense.
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The of Anaheim part is contractually obligated thanks to the terms of the stadium financing, correct?
Arte would have dropped that shit years ago if he could.
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Well, they did start out in MLB as the Los Angeles Angels………
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
My take
the TV Market is LA, not Anaheim. So whatevs
by Josie Becker on Dec 6, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Other than josie and delias man’s grandmother, nobody realizes that
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
As far as I know, both Josie and Delias Man’s grandmother are still alive
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
On the plus side, at least you and I both don’t get those taunting calls anymore
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
In fact
I think Phil was trolling both you and I with his cryptic comment earlier today!
Dick.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
i got the last laugh
i tore up her entire backyard that she worked 55 years on and remodeled her beloved house!
by delias man on Dec 6, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Somebody should totally create the “delia’s grandmother-in-law” username.
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Dec 6, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
I know. That’s fine. Why would she be any different from the rest of the human race?
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Dec 6, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
the Angels did wear LA Angels throwbacks last year
by Josie Becker on Dec 6, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
at least the NFC south actually has southern teams
I spose you could swap Dallas for Carolina.
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They wanted to keep Dallas in a division with rivals NYG, PHI and WAS, which I get.
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Just curious, why does Phil make comments, and then not tell us what he is talking about, while everyone jumps to conclusions? Is that what he likes to do?
I still never found out why he said Happy Thanksgiving a week before the day. Drives me nuts! I want answers haha
That was simple, I was out of town most of the week. No one noticed which is also a good thing.
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Marlins beat writer Clark Spencer
The #Marlins have now been meeting with Pujols agent for one hour. Loria, Samson, Beinfest and Hill in Lozano’s suite.
So Mrs. Pujols didn’t make Albert drop Lozano, huh
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Haggling over who pays the minibar bill.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Marlins beat writer Clark Spencer
I first read that as a bunch of Marlin players beating the crap out of some writer.
by The Dude Abides on Dec 6, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
BREAKING WINTER LEAGUE NEWS
Red Sox sign Andrew Miller
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To a major league contract.? Man, they’re hard up
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t know.
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by regfairfield on Dec 6, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Yep
from Alex Speier of WEEI:
Andrew Miller’s deal with #redsox is a major league deal. Per a source, he accepted a cut from his $1.6M base of 2011.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
they can rebuild him
they have the technology
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 6, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
NBA schedule tidbits leaking out
before the official announcement at 4pm today…
Lakers go to New Orleans twice, host Hornets once
Clippers host Hornets twice, go to New Orleans once
amazing how people can’t wait a few hours
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
finding out the bowl matchups via twitter before the official announcements was fun! Like a ride at Disneyland
by Josie Becker on Dec 6, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
From reporter JB Long
It’s official: With Boise and SDSU joining the #BigEast, the sun now rises and sets in the East.
Haha
Holy Shit
“The sun never sets on the Big East empire”
by Josie Becker on Dec 6, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
They need to add the University of Mumbai next
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Sounds like a fit. Not sure the Big West would even want Boise though. Shitty basketball and I’m not sure they even have a baseball team.
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
I hear their cricket team is tired of being overlooked by the BCS
by Josie Becker on Dec 6, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Everybody knows the SEC is the greatest conference for cricket on earth.
by Michael White on Dec 6, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
I bet LSU has a good cajun cricket recipe in their archives somewhere
by Josie Becker on Dec 6, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
do you tear it down afterwards, as a sign of your strength?
by Josie Becker on Dec 6, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Right after McRib season, terrible timing.
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by regfairfield on Dec 6, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Something I realized recently: Spawn has never eaten at McDonalds.
We try to avoid McDonalds but we aren’t fascists about it. There will come a time when that will happen, and that’s fine. On our recent trip back east, we were at the airport and offered her Chicken McNuggets. She turned them down. I was like, really? You love nuggets and these are the greasiest oil-laden pieces of fried stuff you could ask for. But no.
So she still has never eaten at McDonalds.
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Dec 6, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
I dont understand why McDonals is always so packed…. I am very down on McDs right now, Im going to start an Occupy McDonalds!…. 1st off, they screw up the orders alot, 2nd they just jam the food in your face without asking if you would like ketchup. Then when I hand the bag back and ask for ketchup, they give me like 3 ketchups…unacceptable…. Del Taco is the standard of which fast food places should live by….. they hardly ever get orders wrong, even when you order a ton of side items and not combos…. and they ALWAYS ask me if I want sauce…. yes, del scorcho please…. and they give me a grip of it too!
This is because Del Taco only has 2 people in there…and they are both working
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 6, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
That is not true…. Del Taco always has a line in the drive thru…. its gotten almost in and out like in granada hills anyways. Especially on taco nights. I go there atleast twice a week and am impressed at how they never screw up….. I go to McDonals every so often, and am amazed how often they give 1 burrito instead of 2, shit how hard is that? But mostly how stingy they are with their sauces and ketchup is a joke… they make so much money and they are worried about fuckin ketchup??
my daughter lol… I get the 2 sausage mcmuffins combo and she gets the 2 sausage burrito combo, they are little…. and most the time I come home and have a egg mcmuffin, and 1 burrito… wtf?
You can check the bag when they give it to you
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
"No actual cows or chickens were harmed in the making of these products"
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
People are at least aware you can purchase burgers at Del Taco.
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by regfairfield on Dec 6, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
I tried one a few months back, just for shits and giggles, and it was delicious. I may have also been drunk.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
I swear they used to be bigger
or I got bigger. One of those.
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The best part about my comment is that I knew you would respond with something passionate about Del Taco :) just messing with ya
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 6, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, the reason we have never taken Spawn to McDonalds is because they screw up orders and you have to ask for ketchup and they don’t give you enough. That is absolutely correct.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 6, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And those are fantastic times.
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by regfairfield on Dec 6, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
I like their chicken select
and there are far more of them available then chic fil lame
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I only eat at airport
McDonalds. And I’m not sure why
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I mean its bad enough McDonalds food is probably the shittiest of all fast food places, the least you can do it ask if I want some ketchup, and give me a handful.
So, why do...
Oh never mind.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
break free of those chains man! ;)
go to local taquerias more, or try burger joints that serve free range beef (it tastes better, trust me).
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
This Thanksgiving, out of the blue, my aunt tells me she has never eaten at McDonalds. I asked her why not, and she said “I don’t know. I guess I’ve never had the opportunity or inclination.”
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
I'm just sayin'
might be time for a birds and bees refresher
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 6, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
His Aunt's name
is Minxtcore
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
by mleadman on Dec 6, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
That gets a rec from me.
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
an airport McDonalds on a tough day is a promise I often walk on by. Today I stopped and the first bite of the cheese burger was heaven, it was returning to childhood. The Fries hot and crisp, the coke the best you can get out of a dispenser
I should have stopped while I was ahead
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 6, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
There is the other thing… Why cant their fries be consistent? I dont want the soggy ass fries, I want crisp ass fries…. can I request that next time?
Ask for fries with no salt. They will have to make a new batch just for you. Then when you get your order ask for some salt.
Also comes with a free knuckle sandwich.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 6, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Eh when you work at a fast food restaurant do you really care if you have to order more fries? It’s not like you are doing extra work or anything. I know stuff like that never bothered me at my first job (Little Caesar’s).
and I actually got this idea from someone who worked at McDonald’s. He told me I should do it to make sure I got fresh fries.
farting in the security line at the airport can give one a little extra space, yet I don’t suggest it as a tactic
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 6, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
or just ask for them to be fresh
and not soggy. Its the same thing but without the side of douche :-p
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few things I want less with my meal than a side of douche
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 6, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
haha shit man, I have a hard enough time getting ketchup from these people, salt may be asking too much…. I could use my salt at home fuck it… or just ask for the fresh fries.
the fries and the coke...
man I want that for lunch now
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I have already made my TBLA-influenced lunch decision
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Me, I’m sticking with the salad today. There’s too much good cheese waiting for me after the kids go to bed. Tonight: Bel Fiuritu!
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Dec 6, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
It has to be one of the best commercials ever. Top 10? Top 20?
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
that is a pandora’s box
we will be calling out ads for the next 10 hours
and it’d be in the top 50 I’d guess
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 6, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
That was good for a fleeting moment, but it’s not an all-timer.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
I kind of want the Bengals to be the Texans sunday
would rather they make the playofs then the titans. Titans are gonna lose 2 more though so it may be moot.
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If the Marlins get Pujols is trading for Gaby Sanchez a good idea? At the very least he can produce like Loney without having to re-sign Loney after this year.
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Depends on if Sanchez can play left.
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by regfairfield on Dec 6, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
How disgruntled could he be if they have added Reyes and Pujols to his team? Oh, you have given me two of the best players in baseball to play with, now trade me to the Mets.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
World’s oldest dog dies at 26.
I assume this means I have officially outlived all the dogs born in 1985.
Puppies of Dogs would be a good movie.
by kinbote on Dec 6, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
gotta be old to get it
that’s a hundred and eighty two to you and me
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 6, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
fivethirtyeight Nate Silver
The Miami Marlins’ payroll is the housing bubble of the 2010s.
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I didn't read through the whole thread
but that is now my favorite Ned photo
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
CBS
Early map has the whole country getting Oakland vs. Green Bay. The only other late game, Buffalo @ San Diego is only being shown in upstate New York, the City of San Diego and the City of Yuma.
This is the first time this year I’ve seen KCBS-LA ignore their “secondary city” clause with the Chargers, and if the Chargers don’t sell out, it’d be the first time I’ve seen a game broadcast in only one region of the country.
Fuck em (the Chargers that is)
But I am not expecting good things for the Raiders against Green Bay.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
That's the funny thing
Raiders hosting Packers and Broncos hosting Bears are being broadcast in LA, which means the Chargers could pick up a game on the first place teams while no one is watching.
by Josie Becker on Dec 6, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
you know whats terrible?
instead of getting what should be a competetive game between two potential playoff teams, we get NE vs Washington. Terrible.
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not that you said anything was terrible
but thats terrible
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which playoff team game are you referring to?
by Josie Becker on Dec 6, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
bengals vs texans
obviously I’m biased, but NE Washington is a likely blowout and Washington ain’t goin anywhere this year.
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true
it is curious that CBS is sending their D crew to that game. Marv Albert just doesn’t sound like football
by Josie Becker on Dec 6, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
we aren't glam enough for them
and neither are the bengals. fuck em.
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what is terrible would not be having Sunday ticket
it is my favorite innovation in the last 50 years
Sunday ticket is the best bunch of money I spend and I don’t even know how much it costs
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 6, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
my parents neighbor
was sling boxing his sunday ticket to his phone while we where offshore fishing a few weeks ago. I was impressed.
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modern man!
How was seattle or is that this upcoming week?
I am off on a hellish trip – today through Thursday in Nashville
Friday home
Saturday ATL / Montgomery Alabama
Sunday ATL
Monday Dallas
Tuesday St. Louis
Wednesday New York
I plan on wearing out my liver before I return
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 6, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
did you see the coverage area for tampa bay jacksonville?
lulz
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Good lord. So if Jacksonville doesn’t sell out, I wonder which of the four counties showing it get blocked out : )
by Josie Becker on Dec 6, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
welcome to the internet
http://www.the506.com/temp11.html
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tvguide.com still has Chargers on, but Time Warner and Zap it have the Raider game, so Raider game it is!
tvguide.com is literally the last source you should be checking.
by Josie Becker on Dec 6, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Words can't describe...
@BillShaikin:
Scioscia: “We needed more offense from the catching position.” #angels
I know, just saw that. Filed under "WELL THEN WHY DID YOU TRADE MIKE NAPOLI Dept."
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Words can’t describe…
Yes, they can. How about this for starters:
If I were an Angels fan, I would say this is a pile of horseshit and wonder if Mike Scioscia was trolling his own fanbase.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 6, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
this helps
BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
Scioscia said bluntly the #angels offense isn’t strong enough to support a weak-hitting catcher
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it’d be like Ned Colletti letting a solid third pitcher go, and then buying a couple of third rate third pitchers saying we need to shore up the rotation
by Josie Becker on Dec 6, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
what two third rate catchers did the Angels sign?
they already had mathis.
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I would take that as a good sign that he was finally on board with the notion that Jeff Mathis simply was not a major-league catcher.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
he still thinks he is a major league catcher
but admits he is an offensive liability
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Having Jose Bautista allows you to carry an offensive liability
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heck Mathis was a first round pick
so by that logic no one that wasn’t a first round pick could be any good because mathis was and sucked at offense
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He was very highly rated coming up. Very
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Well, looks like Dwight Howard is gonna be leaving the Orlando Magic.
Orlando Magic President Drunk Dialed Dwight Howard
We all know what happens once you hit the “drunk dial and beg” portion of a relationship…
funny he referenced that scene from swingers
thats when I turned the movie off
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scoiscia trolling g scott
Scioscia: Wilson might be less risky than other pitchers over long-term: “less wear and tear” from relief duty, “soft lefties” age well
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We should sign Moyer and see what happens you go from a 95 MPH Lefty to 88 MPH to 85 MPH to 79 MPH in each successive game.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Heyman
Pujols acquaintance guesses — just a guess — marlins need to be $40M over to beat #stlcards. That’s $240M.
20% surcharge to play in your shitty state.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Evidently Pujols thinks so, he’s the one charging the surcharge.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
and Carpenter
Can there be any doubt? players like to play in St Louis.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
the uniforms are boss and they treat the players well
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 6, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Unless LaRussa gets mad at you.
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by regfairfield on Dec 6, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
just saw a guy eat shit running through airport
took all my strength and discipline not to laugh and point
Come on. Airport food isn’t that bad.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
i think he means the guy tripped while running and eating simultaneously
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=double%20sarcasm
Newbie
I thought he meant the dude face planted, did not think food was involved.
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it was a face plant on a hard terazzo floor
shit everywhere, limbs akimbo, a little bit of moaning
I enjoyed it and was happy to see his ego is what was the most injured by the fall
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 6, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Good time to replay the OJ Airport romp, I wonder if the kids have ever seen it?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
It would be funny
if all the people in those spots shouting “Go OJ, Go” were blonde women
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Lunch Break - All-State Mayhem commercials
How many different disasters has he been?
1. Xmas Tree
2. Antenna
3. 13 year old girl
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Football referee
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I love those commercials
Like FBIhop said the GPS one. That was good.
TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion
they are calling the honolulu flight
small devil on my shoulder is talking shit
“Board the flight, do it, do it, winter on the North shore! What would 16 year old HJ say?….you pussy”
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 6, 2011 12:36 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
On the other side the small angel is gone
Likely tied up somewhere by the devil
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Bad: You are stuck in your car.
Worse: It is -12 to -17 degrees outside
Worser: You don’t have warm clothes on
Worserer: The only thing you have to survive on is Coors Light.
Have to respect the man for not choosing death over Coors Light.
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by regfairfield on Dec 6, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
The nutrition is Cold Activated™
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
by Nolij on Dec 6, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
When the mountains grow trees, you know the nutrition has kicked in
by Josie Becker on Dec 6, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Coors Light is my volume home beer.
You people are food snobs :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Coor light is wet air
who doesn’t like wet air?
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 6, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t really drink at all. For lunch, I had a Coke, a Kroger brand granola bar and a Little Debbie Marshmallow Pie, so I don’t think I have any pretense of food snobbery.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
dude, I have seen better food in a trash can
that is not snobbery, I am just talking basic nutrition
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 6, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Coors light
was my house brand when I had one.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Over under please
How many times did he employ self abuse as a survival technique?
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 6, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
In a related story, it was like 21 degrees in Hesperia this morning. Butt ass cold. I wore a sweatshirt over my sweater.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
the double sweater is a time honored look when it is butt ass
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 6, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
It’s either 21 degrees or 105 degrees in hesperia. there is no in-between.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
It was 9 degrees when I woke up this morning. Nine.
I wore pajamas under my jeans when I had to go outside.
It has warmed up to 26 degrees, which is today’s high.
To add insult to injury, it DIDN’T SNOW.
They said 3-5 inches, but the Albuquerque weather bubble ensured that that it snowed everywhere around Albuquerque, but not IN the part of Albuquerque where I’m at.
When I was a child, my mom would keep the climate control in her car quite warm in the winter – 74 degrees. One morning it was so cold outside that she had me wait in the car at the bus stop (why she couldn’t drive me to school I don’t know). As we were waiting, the AM radio gave the weather and temperature: minus 26 (with the wind chill). It was memorable that it was a hundred degrees warmer inside this car than outside.
So I grew up and moved to Los Angeles.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 6, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
This is pretty much
the same story I’ve heard from all my imported friends
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Middle school.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 6, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
I can’t even fathom a negative temperature
by Eric Stephen on Dec 6, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
My only negative temperature experience
was my last trip to Chicago in December 2009. It was -2 with -20 windchill. I never want to go through that again. I didn’t have adequate ear coverage and I was constantly ducking into buildings be cause my ears hurt so much.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
It was much, much colder than this, growing up in Montreal. For six months or so. -20 below Fahrenheit a common temperature in January and February. From experience, -40 below is where Fahrenheit and Centigrade (Celsius) meet. Out in the countryside, some nights it could go down to -60 F.
Damn…that’s Siberian dilemma territory.
by The Dude Abides on Dec 6, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
The wind here cuts right through you
It’s a wonderful thing to behold
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Several years ago I went back for my sister’s wedding. Due to a variety of mishaps and one actual tragedy, they got married on Martin Luther King weekend in upstate New York. After the rehearsal dinner, we went to the hotel bar. The TV had a bug in the corner with the time and temperature. As we drank, we watched the temperature drop. Five degrees. Zero. Minus five. Minus 10. Minus 15. This is the actual temperature, mind you, not the wind chill. We gave up at minus 15. It was fucking cold.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
One winter, when I was a child, my mother dressed me up in my showsuit, went to the back door and opened it, only to see that the snow was almost to the top of the door. We couldn’t get out, so I disrobed and played in the living room.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
Bride grew up in Marin county, then went to school at Nelson Figueroa’s alma mater. That first fall, she would talk about ski trips — “we go to the snow,” she said. I thought that was the funniest phrase.
You don’t go to the snow, I thought — the snow comes to you!
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
Everybody wants to think that gonig to the snow
is all snowman building, snow angel making, snow ball fighting, sleigh riding good times. When it’s really trying to avoid being Warren Beatty in McCabe & Mrs. Miller
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
by mleadman on Dec 6, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
My parents tell me stories of ‘Blizzard Parties’ before I was born in Pennsylvania. They would get a bunch of friends and food and drink, and gather in one house for the duration. They told me that they would go to a second floor window, open it and put their beer into a snowdrift to get cold. That’s the reason I’m in Southern California.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
My parents
came from Western PA and Colorado. Going to the snow was never a family activity for us.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Marty comes from QB country
had no idea
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 6, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Joe Montana
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
On the other hand
Maybe I shouldn’t have complained about the 100-degree difference inside vs. outside.
In Antarctica, they have the 300-degree club. I don’t remember the actual temperatures, but there is a 300-degree difference between the temperature inside the sauna and the air temperature outside.
The astronomers who winter over in Antarctica will strip down, sit in the sauna for a while, then open the door and race, naked, to the south pole (which is a few hundred yards away) and back.
Apparently the important thing here is to hold on to your junk so it doesn’t freeze to your leg.
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
wouldn’t then freeze to your hand
ouchie
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 6, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
he would have been better off not drinking the coors wouldn't he?
since alchohol causes your body to lose heat?
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I have to laugh at the headline about the Marlins
being confident with the Pujols offer. It’s easy to be confident when it’s not your money.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Somehow
if Mitch Kupchak can parlay the fallout of the Shaq trade to Miami (a lottery pick and Kwame Brown) into getting Dwight Howard in 2012, that might make him even better than Jerry West is an NBA executive.
Bynum and Odom to ORL for Howard and Terkolu
Gasol and a 1st rounder to NO for Paul
Strictly guesses
you always have to take the franchise center over a PG
I love Paul, but I wonder how long his body will hold up. I’d be fine with a serviceable PG to run Mike Brown’s “offense”
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
i know we have him, but i’m not a fan. I think he’s fine in the role he’s playing, but shouldn’t start on a championship contender
yep
Mitch has made some great moves but the long, expensive contracts he has given to fringe backups like Sasha, Luke Walton, and Blake were Ned on steroids.
at least Sasha helped us win Game 7 with the free throws, but I assume another guard could’ve made those 2 without 25 million bucks.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
You’d think Orlando would be tired of percolating all time centers for the Lakers
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Mariners now considered faves to land Fielder
for what its work, being reported by Jim bowden
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/mlb/346327/report-mariners-front-runner-for-1b-fielder
Newbie
If he signs a deal like Shaikin said where he gets $3 million the first year and $30 million the second, I am gonna be PISSED!
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
This makes me chuckle
He can’t be going there because he wants to win
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
you are right
the mariners haven’t competed in over 20 years. No chance they could compete in the next 6 years .
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I detect the hint of sarcasm in this
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Marlins will trade him to the Phillies for Polanco and change. Somehow the Phillies will end up winning the Reyes signing.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
/Hanley calls Ozzie Guillen to discuss his displeasure
Ozzie, after reading his caller id picks up: 
Newbie
by gdl on Dec 6, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
Funny thing about the Sergio Santos traded. He was a number one pick of the Diamondbacks back in 2002, and was enough of a prospect to hit the BA top 50 but eventually his bat did him in and the Bluejays picked him up. If only they had changed him to a pitcher back in 2006, his last year as a hitter was 2008 still in the Blue Jay Organization. White Sox nab him and turn him in Kenley Jansen.
Now the Bluejays trade a prized prospect for him.
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If Kenley had closed all year
He would have had 25 saves or more, and could have been in the same situation. I realize that save stat shouldn’t give a pitcher more value, but it does to some or probably most GMs.
I’d like to trade Kenley if it could help get us an MLB bat (a, you know, good one) or a good bat prospect, but i’d miss such a dominant guy like him just like I miss Gagne, Saito, pre summer 2010 Broxton.
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Allen Craig (OF) STL 12/6/2011
Craig underwent knee surgery in late November and may miss Opening Day, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports. Craig had screws inserted into his kneecap to help repair damage suffered in a collision with the outfield wall at Minute Maid Mark in June. Craig missed time initially with the injury, but he returned and played a key role in helping the Cardinals win the World Series. Craig’s postseason performance makes him an intriguing fantasy option in 2012, but a true sense of his potential value won’t be reached until seeing how he recovers and where Albert Pujols ends up.
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So….the college football coaching dance is fun. so far, Arkansas has lost 4 coaches since Friday.
Garrick McGee – OC and QB coach – HC UAB now
John L Smith – Special Teams and OLB coach – HC Weber ST now
Tim Horton – RB coach and recruiting coordinator – HC Ark ST now
Willie Robinson – Def coordinator – Fired
Paul Petrino – Hired again as OC from Illinois.
Weird stuff and a lot of it.
Fine, looked, he looks like he should be the best friend in a mid 90s sitcome.
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Or the dad of a superstar tween singer.
by kinbote on Dec 6, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
give him a bit more curl
and then you get kevin powers
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from the nesn blog I linked upthread
2:35 p.m.: This obviously ventures into super speculation land, but Jon Paul Morosi said the Marlins people “looked rather smiley” as they gear up for critical points in the Albert Pujols quest.
Maybe they’re close to landing Pujols, or maybe they just had a great lunch. Hard to tell at this point in time.
Maybe they're having a good time with other people's money
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Maybe they just cleaned up some dog shit, if you know what I mean.
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
I just remember him getting upset at shitty grammar and spelling and punctiation
and then stopping posting not long after. Probably not actually connected, but you never now(wink)
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i do think qualifying people as hard-nosed on issues as being nazis is funny and all, but not to discredit your question, yeah he was tough on grammar. believe he was involved in academia of some kind
last mlbtraderumors bit from me today
The Pirates are moving closer to deals with Wilson Betemit and Nate McLouth, tweets Rob Biertempfel of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.
Ned will sign them in a few years
with another organization. They will be rich beyond their wildest dreams.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
If Ned gets another job in baseball ops
I am sure all the folks here who dream of working in a MLB front office will move away and become rugby fans.
Marlins pissed off Hanley.
Andy Mota, one of Ramirez’s representatives, said the report didn’t come from the shortstop himself.
“Hanley will keep his matters with the club private,” Mota said.Also: How many representatives does a baseball player need?
That April 2 open date
on the Dodgers spring training schedule is in fact not open. They are back to a traditional freeway series with the Angels.
Monday in Anaheim, Tuesday and Wednesday in LA
Well, a bunch of players will have an off day on that Wednesday. Might be Eovaldi’s turn to start :)
Gonna be boss seeing Withrow pitch that night.
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You can tailgate in SD?? I’m thinking about doing the OD in SD, ionstead of Dodger Stadium the following tuesday. Maybe make a weekend in SD out of it too.
Why I provide this information I do not know
But for general info – here are the rules.
It costs $15.
The thing about SD is its right in the gaslamp district
so its like a block away from tons of bars and restaurants, you don’t even need to “tailgate”
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Late at night I think they all become clubs
but before that I’m sure there are sports bars you can go to. I went to Whiskey Girls onetime. They really like Pit Bull there.
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Do Dodgers, other visiting teams, stay at the Omni?? I want to stay at the Omni, connected to Petco, but its alot, we’ll see.
I really regret this
the last time I was there in 2009, yes the Dodgers stayed there. It is really convenient and there are a lot of places to eat for the players, coaching staff and other club officials to visit.
Because you’re not self aware enough to understand why you would.
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dude, i am not getting maced…. again, if you guys only knew how I really am. How I act on the internet, and how I am inperson is 2 seperate things. It boggles my mind you guys really believe im some dumb, arrogant, cocky, sexist asshole because of shit I say on the INTERNET. Its really starting to hurt my feelings now haha… ok its not, but still, im a good person man, if only you guys knew the truth. But its ok.
French
is not cutting it down there.
I think there is a mix, the scene by Coors Field is definitely more sports bar like (also because that is where the trolley from downtown Denver ends and the rail to Invesco (Mile High) starts right there too. Not a lot by Chase Field that I can recall. AT&T has some sports bars right across the street.
It would make me pay attention to the Marlins
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 6, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
Webster
He’s probably the most screwed by yesterday’s move cause I think he’ll be ready to start MLB games by the summer.
Eovaldi and Withrow – probably bullpen arms in the long run.
How dare you!
Withrow will be a star starting pitcher in a few years :)
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If he can do that
chances are he will get a start.
If the current rotation doesn’t need him, that is probably a good thing. But unlikely to use only 5 starters in any year.
I made a graph about this at one point.
Basically you should expect 9-12 guys will make starts for you every year.
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14+?
sounds like a goddamn nightmare
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 6, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
you also made a chart saying spring training performance and regular season performance weren’t correlated, so I don’t trust you.
Plus, I got 2 red X’s, so my computr is censoring your truth.
Albert Pujols just finished his 11th season. He has the second highest career OPS of anyone born in the Dominican Republic who has had at least an 11 year career. Name the top guy.
I'm an ass
Esteban Yan went 2 for 2 with a single and a bomba in his 11 year career, ending up witha TSL of 1.000/1.000/2.500
It surprises me how much play this story about the Lakers wanting Paul and Howard
is getting. It isn’t happening but somehow its like the league needs a super team to battle another super team.
Or as the Three Witches said in the Clash of the Titans, “a titan vs a titan.”
what makes it especially hard in Paul's case
Is the NBA still owns the Hornets.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 6, 2011 3:16 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
to clarify
not “your choice of the top 25 prospects” but yeah, a good one. If the Indians were a closer away from competing you might be able to get a Chisenhall (though that’s a big reach), maybe a Lavernaway.
Trade Ethier, frees up money for a last minute Pujols bid.
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Heh
dylanohernandez
Mattingly hasn’t talked to McCourt this winter. Also hasn’t talked to Magic Johnson. “I haven’t talked to Larry Bird, either,” he said.
Hee hee
Keep that sense of humor, Donnie! Gonna need it methinks.
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Ooooh, oooh
Rosenthal:
#Marlins’ Loria, Samson, Hill just went in to meet with Dan Halem of commissioner’s office. #MLB
Get your condoms out
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#Dodgers have talked to 4-5 teams about potential trades. Looking for a bat.
where the hell would said bat even play?
Must be 1st baseman?
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LF? Juan Rivera’s no road block to that.
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Dude I'd be thrilled to get him
Screw LF defense, I want a 25-30 hr bat.
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Greedy
Kemp, Ethier (he hopes), Big Jim Loney…….
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Insurance if said bat is not obtained, Sands doesn’t sift out, etc.
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How many pitchers for Carlos Santana? ;-)
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Agent: Sure, Ned, we’d be happy to backload for 2-year, $6M deal.
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If MacDougal gets a two-year deal, I won’t even be angry. I’ll just start laughing hysterically. Not sure what stage that would be.
I think it’s acceptance, the last stage.
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Beat me to it. :-)
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The last stage is mocking
I’ve been in it since 2008
by The Dude Abides on Dec 6, 2011 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
this already happened to me yesterday
I think this would get me back to being angry
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An arbitration lawyer who knows how to quote stats.
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A 2 year deal for $200,000 wouldn't bother me though.
or $200.
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They have sarcasm in 2011 too, you know. ;-P
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How do the Dodgers shed enough salary to pay for said bat?
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Oh, Billingsley.
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billingsley for Trumbo
oh hey G, didn’t see you standing there
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The Cubs might throw in money to make that happen. Esp when we include Zach Lee, Eovaldi, Withrow and Webster.
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toronto to give the Marlins plan from last year
a try?
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Suck on the teat of revenue sharing for cash and the local tax base for the stadium while paying as little salary as possible. Splurge on FAs like a sailor on shore leave the following off-season for a big-splash debut in front of all those shiny new luxury boxes. Profit.
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I really want to get excited about this
But I feel like i shouldnt.
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Definitely
Maybe today’s the day Bobby makes his move. I really want to get excited about this, but I feel like i shouldnt.
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Or your barf bags
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 6, 2011 4:13 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
So am I to understand
that Ned has, essentially, spent around $37 million this offseason to shore up the roster, even though the payroll was being lowered, but still didn’t have the money to make a serious run at Fielder? I’m not even thinking about Kuroda, since he never really made his intentions about what his plans were public.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Not unless you are counting 2013 salaries.
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I was
so I guess it’s only about $16 million for 2012? I never know what I’m talking about.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Gotcha
And $16MM wouldn’t have been enough to sway the Prince to LA, but it’s still frustrating to see Ned throwing money to vets past their prime when the kids could play for a fraction of the price and gain valuable experience, while using that spending dinero elsewhere.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
yes
BUT if we cut Loney it would save 6 million or so. So we would have 22 mil to spend
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Oh, we easily could have afforded Fielder if you didn’t mind being creative at
2nd
Starting pitching.
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IDJ = 2nd
Eveland/Capt. Eo/smorgasboard of NRIs = 4th & 5th starters
If by creative you meant somewhat depressing, I think I got it. :-)
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
We could have probably signed Capuono and Fielder both
who cares of IDJ or Sellers are playing 2nd instead of Ellis when we upgrade from Loney to Fielder?
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Kevin Slowey was just acquired for nothing and he’s the exact same type of pitcher we just committed 22 million to.
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Yeah, they fucked around with him too.
He’s the exact wrong type of pitcher for this team, he’ll get killed in Coors, but so would Harang and Capuano.
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You mean “that team”? Worst possible team for Slowey to end up with.
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Both. Basically if you can avoid home runs Dodger Stadium is the best park in the world but a dinger prone pitcher is just gonna get worse.
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How much sense does it make to upgrade the infield defense then sign fly ball pitchers with huge home run tendancies instead of ground ball pitchers?
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by Phil Gurnee on Dec 6, 2011 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
If the ball goes over the fence our outfielders can’t miss it.
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by regfairfield on Dec 6, 2011 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So for LA, Derek Lowe was a great signing, Ted Lilly not so much.
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Yep. Dodgers should always be targetting ground ball pitchers.
Then again this leads to me saying things like “the Dodgers should get Jake Westbrook”
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“Dammit why couldn’t we have signed Jason Marquis” he said unironically
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On the nights of the small strike zone
the soft throwing Dodger lefties will get raked
by 68elcamino427 on Dec 6, 2011 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
Scariest part of Ned saying he’s going to trade for a bat, is what he considers a bat.
Toronto still has more hitters then positions:
Encarnacion – 1st/DH
Lind – 1st / DH
Bautista – OF
Thames – OF
Snider – OF
Rasmus – OF
Raja Davis – OF
David Cooper – 1st/DH
Using the NedFinder, Carlos Lee is the player who popped up, over the last four years
>.280 average
< .340 OBP
> .450 SLug
> 33 years old
Bad Contract
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Another player I’d loved to have had three years ago
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marlon Byrd is a case study for why you don’t pay for free agents after they’ve had career years at 29 and 30.
I’d be THRILLED if we got Michael Bourn, but that’s not happening.
he had a career year at 29 because he finally got to play full time. What killed him last year was dying against LHP for the first time in his career. I’m not sure he should be your poster boy for that thesis.
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Even then played some D, hit okay, only got paid 5.5 million. Not the best player to get but would be my favorite move of the offseason by far.
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Tonight is your last chance to vote for the final TBLA prospects
Looks like most people have already voted, but just wanted to remind anyone who hasn’t and wants to give their opinion
The final Prospect poll should be which prospects will be gone by Aug 1st, 2012.
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Man, Steve Dilbeck is pissed.
But I mostly support his rant here.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dodgers/2011/12/dodgers-reduced-to-being-jealous-of-the-marlins.html
Of course, he’s more often negative anyway but here he seems entitled to some of it.
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More PO'd at McCourt dragging his feet than at Colletti but plenty of ire for both
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I speculated that mccourt was trying to ‘shore up’ this team with veteruhn presence and depth to sell the team to a new owner who doesnt know a fucking thing about baseball
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 6, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
BTW
the Dodgers already spent all of the GAP loan. Wish these folks would take 5 seconds to look at the bankruptcy filings.
And you have to consider that Florida has no state income tax and Miami is a great spot to live if you don’t want to be bothered as a baseball player. Plus for those from the Dominican area, it is a quick plane trip.
Delias and Michael told us that Gap loan would last until next summer.
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I'll look again but when the Dodgers released their budget for the rest 2011
their revenue showed the loan being paid out in 2011 and showing an ending balance of about $20M at the end of 2011.
So in my mind, the loan is spent.
When I say released
it was their general revenue and expenses breakdown provided to the Bankruptcy court.
If Bynum is still Laker when the season starts
the good news is that his suspension will end (5 games) by their road game on January 1st in Denver. The bad news is the Lakers will have played 5 games in 7 days (and will be playing their 6th in 8th days that night). They have their only 3 games in 3 days stretch to start the season and then play a back to back (home and away) set against Denver on NYE and NYD.
damn how awesoke would that be?
Ned would have trolled us all
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 6, 2011 6:29 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I wouldn’t even know what to think
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 6, 2011 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
4down
might die of a joygasm
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 6, 2011 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
Just watched 'Hot Stove" on MLB TV
Donny was being interviewed, discussing Kershaw, Dee, Bills, and all the new signs. Gushed over Kershaw and Dee, didn’t say a word when they brought up Kemp. Very funny.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
i watched it too
he did say stuff about Kemp. He said he thinks there is still more there and that he loved that he came in with the attitude of wanting to be better, and mentioned how dissapointing 2010 as too him.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 6, 2011 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
haha
yeah, he clammed up
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 6, 2011 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
I humbly beeseech our benevolent mods to grant us a new thread.
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gracias
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 6, 2011 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
Both the NYT and Jon of DT, in Variety, write about what a new TV deal would mean to the Dodgers' future payroll
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118047107
Kind of makes me think, IF true, there are reasons to not freak out about 2013 payroll tying the team down as much we fear.
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Mets are close to making a multi-player trade
described as a “change of scenary” both ways
i am both greatly intrigued and scared shitless
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That has to mean Wright is involved.
Maybe with the White Sox for pitching?
Please Please Please God grant me a nice shiny David Wright?
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 6, 2011 6:43 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think Wright would be a “change of scenery” type of trade. Someone like Ethier who has had run-ins with the local media would.
But how much would trading Ethier but gaining Wright really help the offense? So maybe Bills, and a RP, for Wright?
might be the giants making the trade
word is they’re close on something.
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 6, 2011 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
whoopee.
actually think the giants win on that one. but pretty insignificant overall.
LIAR!!!!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 6, 2011 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
yay!
/zoomsover
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 6, 2011 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
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