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Hanley Ramirez Trade Thoughts

Buster Olney reports that Hanley Ramirez may be traded. Fangraphs shows that from 2009-2011, Hanley Ramirez has the 2nd highest WAR of MLB shortstops for that period, only behind Troy Tulowitzki (but by a lot; Tulo posted 18.4 WAR from 2009-2011 vs Hanley's 13.2, followed by Jeter at 12.2).

If the Dodgers were to do this, there are two things to consider:

First - players to offer. The Marlins may or may not be interested in more expensive major league talent. They don't need a first baseman that isn't Pujols, they could use pitching, a center fielder and a third baseman (and probably someone in the bullpen).

Second - payroll to clear. The Dodgers can't trade newly signed players, and YCTPYDWFPYDW (you can't trade players you don't want for players you do want). Candidates include Ted Lilly (22.5m* owed from 2012-2013) and Juan Uribe (owed 15m** from 2012-2013), but most likely will be Chad Billingsley (35m owed from 2012-2014).

Hanley Ramirez will be owed $47.5m from 2012-2014 (15, 15.5, 16).

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Theory 1:

The Marlins are trying to win now in the new park, and will want proven MLB talent in return.

Phase 1: Package Chad Billingsley, Allen Webster, Chris Withrow for Hanley Ramirez and $12m (500k in 2012, 11.5m in 2013)

Phase 2: Gordon, Tolleson for David Wright (provided that Wright signs an extension within the negotiation window, since he can void the 2013 team option if traded)

Theory 2:

The Marlins want a 3B

Package Chad Billingsley, Allen Webster, Chris Withrow, Juan Uribe for Hanley Ramirez

Juan Uribe and Tolleson with $1m ($900k in 2012, $100k in 2013) for Brandon Boggs

Theory 3:

The Marlins want a good 3B

Phase 1: Dee Gordon, Allen Webster for David Wright

Phase 2: David Wright for Hanley Ramirez

Phase 3: Chad Billingsley and James Loney for Nolan Reimold and Mark Reynolds

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Again, just some guesswork, and I'm sure plenty of other people have better ideas.

* plus 1.5m in both 2012 and 2013 as a signing bonus
** plus 1m deferred money

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If we are acquiring Hanley, Dee and Tolleson gets it done for Wright, but if not, Dee and Webster is required? Either way, I don’t think either package gets it done AND we can’t afford Wright’s salary alone, much less with Hanley in tow as well. I love the sentiment, but it’s not feasible.

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

by Nolij on Dec 8, 2011 12:53 PM PST reply actions  

dee Gordon can't be traded

any day is a good day to be a Dodgers, Eagles, Penguins, Clippers, Texas A&M fan! except when they lose
I was born the year Brett Favre started playing.... amazing
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by henry-dekoeyer-eagle-fan on Dec 10, 2011 6:25 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

Man

these aren’t bad trade offers at all.. just show you how far Hanley has fallen. Seems foolish for the Fish to trade him right now.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 11, 2011 7:52 PM PST reply actions  

Question

why wouldn’t the Marlins and Mets just trade David Wright for Hanley Ramirez and leave the Dodgers out of it?

by G.Scott on Dec 11, 2011 8:04 PM PST reply actions  

Owner Fred Wilpon, who said the Mets lost $51 million in 2010 and faced losses of $70 million in 2011, remains in a legal battle with the trustee in charge of recovering money for investors in Bernard Madoff’s Ponzi scheme.

via Bloomberg.

by StolenMonkey86 on Dec 12, 2011 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

so why they wouldn’t trade David Wright’s $16mil contract for Hanley’s $15.5mil contract?

by G.Scott on Dec 12, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Ramirez is guaranteed another $46.5 million over three years. Wright is guaranteed $16 million, as he has one year plus an option.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 12, 2011 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

but Hanley is paid 15, 15.5, 16 to play a more premium position. He’d be a better investment than Wright, not a worse one.

by G.Scott on Dec 12, 2011 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Just saying, if money was a reason, they are not equal.

by Eric Stephen on Dec 12, 2011 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

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Pos No Player 2012 Salary
C 17 Ellis $490,000
1B 7 Loney $6,375,000
2B 37 Herrera $375,082
3B 6 Hairston $2,250,000
SS 9 Gordon $485,000
LF 23 Abreu $401,311
CF 10 Gwynn $850,000
RF 16 Ethier $10,950,000

OF/1B 33 Van Slyke $388,197
2B/3B 3 Kennedy $800,000
OF/1B 30 Sands $375,175
IF 13 DeJesus $448,992
C 18 Treanor $850,000

SP 22 Kershaw $6,000,000
SP 58 Billingsley $9,000,000
SP 29 Lilly $12,000,000
SP 44
Harang $3,000,000
SP 35 Capuano $3,000,000

CL 74
Jansen $491,000
RHP 52 Lindblom $483,000
RHP 51 Belisario $414,426
RHP 54 Guerra $488,000
RHP 28
Wright $900,000
LHP 57 Elbert $488,500
RHP 60 Coffey $1,000,000

DL 27 Kemp $10,000,000
DL 21 Rivera $4,000,000
DL 12 Sellers $481,000
DL 5 Uribe $8,000,000
DL 55 Guerrier $4,750,000
DL 14 Ellis $2,500,000
60DL 36 Hawksworth $495,000
60DL 41 De La Rosa $485,000

AA 50 Eovaldi $7,885
AAA 56 Antonini $7,869



Manny $8,087,432 deferred


Andruw $3,375,000 deferred


Pierre $3,050,000 deferred
Furcal $3,000,000 deferred
Kuroda $2,000,000 deferred
Garland $1,500,000 option buyout
Blake $1,250,000 option buyout
DFA 66 MacDougal $650,000

Totals
$115,942,869

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