2012 True Blue LA Top 20 Prospects List
by David Young on Dec 7, 2011 7:50 PM PST
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PrintHere are the top twenty Dodger prospects as voted by you, the True Blue LA community.
| Rank | Prospect | Position | Age* | 2011 Rank |
| 1 | Zach Lee | RHP | 20 | 3 |
| 2 | Allen Webster | RHP | 22 | 8 |
| 3 | Nathan Eovaldi | RHP | 22 | 19 |
| 4 | Garrett Gould | RHP | 20 | 11 |
| 5 | Chris Reed | LHP | 22 | NR |
| 6 | Chris Withrow | RHP | 23 | 7 |
| 7 | Joc Pederson | OF | 20 | NR |
| 8 | Shawn Tolleson | RHP | 24 | NR |
| 9 | Tim Federowicz | C | 24 | NR |
| 10 | James Baldwin | CF | 20 | NR |
| 11 | Jonathan Garcia | OF | 20 | 13 |
| 12 | Angel Sanchez | RHP | 22 | NR |
| 13 | Alfredo Silverio | OF | 25 | NR |
| 14 | Scott Van Slyke | OF/1B | 25 | NR |
| 15 | Angelo Songco | 1B | 23 | NR |
| 16 | Jake Lemmerman | SS | 23 | 16 |
| 17 | Alex Castellanos | OF | 25 | NR |
| 18 | Blake Smith | OF | 24 | NR |
| 19 | Griff Erickson | C | 24 | NR |
| 20 | Ethan Martin | RHP | 23 | 10 |
| *Age as of June 30, 2012 | ||||
The list is also displayed on the left side bar. Note that MLB's rookie eligibility status was used as the cut off for prospects, thus players like Javy Guerra and Josh Lindblom were not eligible.
Copious props to Brandon Lennox for conducting the voting and for his tireless work here on the Dodgers prospects.
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Yeah, it’s mostly to have a clean sheet for comments, but I think it’s nice to have the final complete list in an article too. Plus I got to thank Brandon in big bold letters!
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Brandon is awesoke
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2011 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Amazing work, Brandon!
Can’t wait for those top 200 prospect releases to begin….
Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
i completely lost track of this list
thanks! I’m now excited for when Zach Lee starts
"They say The Jet's lost a step or two... but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here."
We’re actually going to vote, one by one on each one. :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 7, 2011 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Agent Scott Boras says he has many proposals to take back to Prince Fielder, including some from teams that surprised him.
c’mon Ned, be faking us out this whole time
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
Reminded me of this for some reason
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
by underdog on Dec 7, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
unlikely haha
per Dylan Hernandez tweet
Scott Boras: #Dodgers and #Mets usually shop in “steaks aisle,” now shopping in “fruits and nuts section.”
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by gdl on Dec 7, 2011 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
Morosi or More-whoa-see
Source with knowledge of C.J. Wilson talks expects him to sign five-year deal with #Angels.
he’s next
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2011 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
more surprised
by lack of Beltran interest
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2011 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
A guy like Jackson, and others, has to wait in line. Once the big fish sign, then their market can establish itself.
One year
You can do that?
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
At this point probably better to trade Axford and see if you can get K-Rod to take more years for less money.
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And unless they’re willing to roll the dice with Furcal Yunieski might be the best option left at short, dear lord the Brewers screwed this up.
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can't they cut K-Rod in ST and only pay him a fraction of the $13 mil?
With the shrinking market for closers there might not be a taker for Axford
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
My reaction to the Fresno Doritos Taco news
It is true that I have not eaten at McDonald’s in four or five years.
I have not eaten at Taco Bell in twenty years.
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Tim Kurkjian on Baseball Tonight just said Jimmy Rollins has agreed to re-sign with the Phillies. No terms known yet, but Kurkjian expected something like 3 years plus an option.
Question
To what extent is it in Pujols’ interest to sign with somebody tomorrow?
Clearly, he doesn’t have to sign with anybody tomorrow. He must only sign by, what, mid-February.
But it is likely in his interest to sign before then. This has been madness and it’s only been two days. If he draws this out, he might fuck it up, not to mention taking a PR hit for a Favre-esque “my contract IS the story” story.
So, to what extent is it in his interest to wrap this up tomorrow?
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It seems like the teams in on Pujols — Cards, Marlins, and apparently Angels — kind of need to know fairly soon whether or not Pujols will occupy a huge portion of their budget. Seems like Marlins and/or Angels would want to move on to Plans B, C, D, and E if they can’t get Pujols so they’d like to know soon before those other dudes sign elsewhere.
Jebus
BNightengale: The Angels offer 10-year deal for at least $210m Wednesday for Pujols, joining #STLCards and mystery team in bidding war.
Heyman chimes in
Reports @BNightengale: angels bid about $210M for 10 yrs. Nice, but that’s about $10M less than miami, which is out.
Wonder if the supposed Dodger deal that's "dead"
was the rumored interest in Headley. SD probably asked for way too much.
@The26thman:
Appears that STL Jeff Luhnow, VP of Scouting & Player Dev has already told co-workers that he’ll be named the next GM of the Houston Astros.Bob Nightengale retweeted it, so looks true.
Yeah, apparently there was a tweet earlier too, I think by Luhnow himself, but it was quickly deleted.
Honestly, who would want that job?
I know it’s “one of 30 jobs” but, man, you have to do everything perfect for awhile just to get that team back to relevancy.
Probably helps to be somebody younger (I don’t know how old Luhnow is) with a long-term plan/vision…and some energy.
There were, what, four GM jobs available this offseason? Cubs, Angels, Orioles, and Astros?
Best job is Angels. They are in LA (I know, I know) and the closest to contending. You probably have a short leash — make something happen in two or maybe three years — but you have money to spend and you are close.
Next best job is the Cubs. Huge payroll, huge goodwill, and huge reward if you can make it happen, but also big spotlight. Maybe the Cubs got the right guy for that.
Orioles is the worst job. No one would take it so they got Dan Duquette.
Astros are somewhere in the middle. We know the costs: that is a long road. But the benefit is that you can make the team entirely in your image. You have free rein to do whatever you want to do. And I’d guess — and this is just a guess — that the new owners know the score and you have several years with which to try to make it happen.
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Interesting stuff from Gurnick
Colletti hinted that a minor trade could occur involving a player on his 40-man roster, which likely would create room for the addition of a right-handed reliever that he still seeks.
He said he would not take any Rule 5 players for the Dodgers, but left open the possibility of making a selection and flipping the player to another club.
Good piece by Howard Beck of the New York Times on what it was like to be a basketball reporter covering the lockout negotiations.
To be a reporter covering the N.B.A. lockout was to enter a parallel universe, where normalcy was suspended, truth was pliable and time had no meaning. Absurdity reigned.Reminds me a LOT of covering the final days of the legislative session. Long hours, bored reporters, only Twitter to keep you company… fighting for electrical outlets.
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There were news conferences at 4 in the morning, Betty White sightings, a Gregg Popovich jog-by and a cameo by former President Bill Clinton.
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Bargaining sessions stretched for 15 hours while we stood on sidewalks or loitered in chilled lobbies, or sweated in stuffy conference rooms with bad wallpaper.
just checking into
to let y’all know i’m still alive… why did i become a lawyer?
"They say The Jet's lost a step or two... but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here."
sorry - about the above
"They say The Jet's lost a step or two... but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here."
so you can say things like this…?
Barney: (To Ted) Do you have some puritanical hang up on prostitution? Dude, it’s the world’s oldest profession.
Marshall: You really think that’s true?
Barney: Oh yea, I bet even Cro-Magnons used to give cave hookers, like, an extra fish for putting out.
Marshall: Ah ha, so the oldest profession would be fishermen. Kaboom! You’ve been lawyered!
Newbie
Has anyone tried that baseball rumors app
for the iPhone?
"They say The Jet's lost a step or two... but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here."
i have it
kicks ass
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2011 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
What does he mean, me, Darvish? My name is Kavula.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 7, 2011 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
we’ll find out if the dodgers posting bid of 4,000 clayton kershaw bobbleheads is enough to beat the other clubs..
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 7, 2011 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
The Yankees don’t visit DS this year.
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Does everyone agree Buerhle at 4/58 is a massive overpay?
He’s aging and his peripherals have never been good.
If the Dodgers had given them that deal, i’d think they were crazy.
good thing there are no known Marlins fans
by eitherethier on Dec 7, 2011 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
Over, yes. Massive, probably not
Three years ago, Derek Lowe at three years older than Buehrle is now, got 4/60 for his then-career 121 ERA+. Buehrle’s career ERA+ is 120.
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and though his peripherals (K/9 anyway) aren’t great, he’s gotten significantly above average results 9 of the last 11 years.
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His BB/9 is 2.0 which is quite good, so even though his K/9 is a bit low, his K/BB is decent. So maybe his peripherals are fine.
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i couldn't stop laughing
"They say The Jet's lost a step or two... but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here."
by DodgerSF on Dec 7, 2011 10:24 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
LOL
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 7, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
Heh.
BTW, lawyers ain’t the only ones who work long hours sometimes. But I do seem to be goofing off a lot more than you are!
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it's not so much the long hours...
just no satisfaction in return.
"They say The Jet's lost a step or two... but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here."
There is a reason that what you receive is termed compensation.
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haha true
ok no more complaining.
"They say The Jet's lost a step or two... but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here."
ya...
i want to do some appellate work
"They say The Jet's lost a step or two... but I wouldn't be surprised to see some fireworks here."
Haudricourt Tom
#Brewers Melvin said had pending deal with Hawkins but asked to wait on K-Rod. Hawkins instead signed with Angels. Melvin didn’t blame him.
Haudricourt Tom
Asked if obligation to K-Rod might stop interest in Aramis Ramirez, Melvin said, “Possibly. I’ll take a look at it.”
Haudricourt Tom
With K-Rod accepting arbitration, Melvin said he’ll call off his pursuit of Takashi Saito “for now.”
Haudricourt Tom
Irony: The decision of Boras client K-Rod to accept arbitration with #Brewers further guarantees they can’t afford Boras client Fielder.
Melvin, you just ruined your team for next year.
Haudricourt Tom
GM Doug Melvin says it was not a miscalculation on #Brewers part to offer K-Rod salary arbitration, which he accepted. bit.ly/tQLXfT
Not a miscalculation? So was it just pure stupidity?
Sounds like
he was prepping for his Milton Bradley class.
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
The link says “star.” I do not trust it.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Los Angeles Dodgers star James Loney was arrested while being hospitalized in L.A. last month … after allegedly smashing his Maserati into THREE other cars … and then spitting at a cop … this according to a police report obtained by TMZ.
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Loney — who plays 1st base for the Dodgers — was arrested on November 14th … because cops say he appeared to be under the influence of drugs after he swerved into a Toyota around 6pm … and then careened into a Mercedes and a Mini.
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According to the report, when cops first arrived to the scene … Loney told one of the officers, “The bitch hit me from behind.”
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Cops say Loney appeared to be “restless, unsteady, aggressive and irritable” … and he “exhibited eyelid tremors and his shirt was soiled and moist from perspiration, from his armpits down to his waistline.”
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Cops say when officers asked Loney what day it was … he replied, “7/15 and Saturday” — when in fact, it was 11/14 and Monday.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
he replied, 7/15 and Saturday
selective endpointing and Loney, they were meant to be together
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
by Pure Azure on Dec 8, 2011 8:24 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It Sounds Like The "Manic" Phase of Bipolar Disorder
Haven’t we being hearing for years that Loney is spacey - always making off the-wall comments, doing off-the-wall things? Joe Torre used to talk about him like he’s a “special needs” child. Given that Loney wasn’t under the influence of drugs or alcohol when he had that incident with the police, a mental disorder that has either been undiagnosed or kept quiet sounds probable.
Help me Doctor
He sounds like HJ in his mid-20’s when he got really pissed off at himself and then had to deal with an authority figure
Hell, it is a pretty close description of HJ the other night when he accidentally parked in a tow away zone and had to pay $225 bucks cash to get his car off the tow truck. HJ was overheard telling the parking enforcement agent “Merry Christmas you miserable little Bleep, I hope you hate yourself when you look in the mirror tonight brushing your rotten teeth before you crawl into your lonely bed”
my diagnosis is still pending
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2011 5:15 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
How did the blood sample test?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2011 6:18 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
but
100% positive for RAGE!!!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2011 6:23 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Taking issue with that? Really?
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2011 6:29 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Tommy thinks you should lighten up
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2011 6:35 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I was just teasing you
Being on my phone causes me to often forget my :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2011 6:43 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
embarrassing stories always feel better when I don’t use pronouns
I humiliate myself in the interest of making folks less prone to pronounce sweeping judgments on people they don’t know about incidents that they don’t have all the facts for
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2011 7:42 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Story's been slightly updated
According to the report, when cops first arrived to the scene … Loney told one of the officers, “The bitch hit me from behind.”
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 8, 2011 6:50 AM PST up reply actions
How many numbers does Tamin have to crunch
To know that resigning Macdougal to anything much more than last year is a bad idea?
Seems pretty obvious…
If this Loney report is true
I wonder if
1.) the Dodgers are handling it behind the scenes
2.) they have determined it’s not enough of a concern to find a replacement for Loney, since they have loaded up on utility players
or 3.) their contingency plan in case they sense some “emotional problems” and that he’s not worth a raise is Sands to 1B platooning with Kennedy.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
article on the Dodgers site
Says they are “looking into it”
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2011 6:54 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
It happened on November 14, wonder when they found out.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 8, 2011 7:00 AM PST up reply actions
no doubt they should
I wonder if Prince would’ve been receptive to a Ned Special fat 2 or 3 year deal…if they cut Loney and didn’t sign some of this riff raff they could have made a serious run at it. A short deal would enable Prince to reassess the market in a few years while still being good.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
loney told officers
this was the work of ‘jim loney’, my name is james.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 8, 2011 7:12 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Pujols to the Angels ...10 yrs 250 million, full no trade clause
damn paying that much to a 42 yr old Pujols…dayum
Wow
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2011 7:04 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
YES!!!!!!
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2011 7:07 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Cardinals are like
“Alright Albert, you’ve had your fun. Time to sign with us now.”
I didn’t actually think he’ll leave…
I look in the mirror, and I don't like what I see. So I bought a new one.
There it is. Hard to criticize the move. There’s elite and then there’s Pujols. Another level entirely. Sucks for STL kids.
I think it is great for St. L kids
1. they got the WS last year
2. They got the cream of Pujols career
3. All romantic notions of life and loyalty are dashed upon the rocks
those kids are going to be well prepared for the world, I see a generation of kick ass bond traders in the making
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2011 8:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
There are newborns in St Louis who’ve never experienced a championship!
by Michael White on Dec 8, 2011 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
Rule 5 guys that are interesting (even though Ned said they aren't taking anyone because he hates young players)
Bryce Stowell
Diego Moreno
Rob Bryson
Brandon Sisk
Johan Yan
Ryan Flaherty (would have been a good pick if Ned hadn’t stocked up on old balls infielders)
Results
results
1) Houston Astros: Reiner Cruz, RHP, from Mets
2) Minnesota Twins: Terry Doyle, RHP, from White Sox
3) Seattle Mariners: Lucas Luetge, RHP, from Brewers
4) Baltimore Orioles: Ryan Flaherty, 3B-OF, from Cubs
5) Kansas City Royals: Cesar Cabral, LHP, from Red Sox
6) Chicago Cubs: Lendy Castillo, RHP, from Phillies
8) Pittsburgh Pirates: Gustavo Nunez, SS, from Tigers
21) Atlanta Braves: Robert Fish, LHP, from Angels
22) St. Louis Cardinals: Eric Komatsu, OF, from Brewers
23) Boston Red Sox: Marwin Gonzalez, 3B, from Cubs
25) Arizona Diamondbacks: Brett Lorin, RHP, from Pirates
29) New York Yankees: Brad Meyers, RHP, from Nationals
so we picked no one
And lost no one
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2011 7:31 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
As is Russell.
Ivdown will be pleased.
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 8, 2011 7:33 AM PST up reply actions
I am :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2011 7:39 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
ESPN is reporting it too
WWWWWOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Anaheim baseball :)
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2011 7:12 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
arte moreno
still trolling us
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 8, 2011 7:16 AM PST up reply actions
The Angels must see this as a great time to take over the L.A. market. If they can replace the Dodgers as the iconic local team, it will dramatically boost the value of the club and give Moreno the ROI that he needs to justify the spending.
Can't wait for the Plaschke column
Frank McCourt covets parking lots
Arte Moreno covets hall-of-famers.
Frank McCourt has gate keepers in a box.
Arte Moreno has a ring in a box.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 8, 2011 7:21 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah :)
but it’s great to raise the stakes, put pressure on the new Dodgers owners to keep up (not that they wouldn’t try to have the best org anyway)
Yes, I know it doesn’t work in the Mets’ case, but the Mets are the exception.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Loney
Seriously…we can replace his production with Sands or Rivera even
He did have 4.6 WAR last year
and 12 is the last year of his contract, but I’d rather have upside like Kendrys
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
though i'm sure it's unlikely
I wonder if the Angels will just non-tender Morales
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2011 7:19 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Angels get a shiny new Pujols
and we get a steaming pile of shit.
Fuck.
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 8, 2011 7:20 AM PST reply actions
Old Balls
5 good years at best. I;m glad this wasn’t our team making this deal.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 8, 2011 7:28 AM PST up reply actions
really
we got Matt Kemp of the next 10 years
I call that a fucking puppy
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2011 7:44 AM PST up reply actions
Im exuberant to have him nonetheless, I was just talking about the FA
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 8, 2011 7:46 AM PST up reply actions
but he could have been ex-Dodger Matt Kemp pretty easily
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2011 7:46 AM PST up reply actions
Angels own. Any Angels fan that gets upset about this needs to check their head.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
Yes
No we can get our ass kicked even more!
by BFDC on Dec 8, 2011 7:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It does though to me age is a huge factor here.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 8, 2011 7:32 AM PST up reply actions
Pujols-Angels brilliant! DH for last few years, Angels are a young team that will compete for years and years. Pujols gets away from crazy Cardinal fans. Trumbo to 3b? Morales? details to be worked out.
Dan Haren and Santana
Are both FAs next year, as is their entire middle part of their infield. I just don’t know if Angels can support a $140M+ payroll for the next 5-6 years
Anaheim
Only seats 43K, so unless he raises tix prices, there is not a lot more to be raised there. Moreno could artner with Fox on a RSN but their ratings and viewership is less than the Dodgers and let’s face it Pujols isn’t exactly a huge media star in terms of marketing outside of baseball fans.
What does do is allow the Angels to play Trout in the minors all year (until someone gets hurt) and target 2013 as the year they can start controlling costs.
If the Angels are getting
$150M a year in new TV money then I can only imagine how much more the Dodgers would get. Though I find it impossible to believe they would get that.
Moreno is going to have to raise ticket prices at some point too.
I thought it was said if Dodgers play the game right, they could get 300 million a year in new TV deal?
I know nothing about this
but I say negotiate without fear whoever you are future rich fuck owner of my favorite team
and know that all of us to clammor for you today will come to mock and despise you over time
unless your last name is Rooney or Buss and that aint happening
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2011 7:48 AM PST up reply actions
I think it was in a NY post column, and I know word is NY Post is full of shit. But it was linked on DT, and I think Weisman has a similar article as well. Basically it was showing how important keeping the Dodgers is to FOX, because if they lose them, they’ll have to cut Prime Tickets, and thats hundreds of millions in revenue lost alone. But Time Warner also stands to gain a ton by getting the TV contract. So if Dodgers play their cards right in the battle between TW and Fox, they could end up with close to 300 mil per season, We shall see;
No
Freaking way that is double the Lakers and no local broadcaster could make up over 2M per game, that is unless you want your cable/satellite rates to double
like I said, I don’t know the math of that industry so I can’t really say
but scarcity is a key to value and the Dodgers are not replaceable – you either have them or you don’t
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2011 7:58 AM PST up reply actions
Doesn’t hurt that they also sell YES to Japan
by Michael White on Dec 8, 2011 8:04 AM PST up reply actions
I wonder
About that, now in Japan,they broadcast MLB games with Japanese players (I saw some Dodger games there because Kuroda was pitching) but I don’t think that makes them that much money.
because I don’t know the financials of the business, I don’t know if that is a bargain or not
market rates for media properties have taken huge jumps in my lifetime
I don’t know what it is worth, but if I was making the deal, I would walk several times before I said yes
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2011 8:06 AM PST up reply actions
Pujols is an old looking 31 for sure. I’m not saying he’s lied about his age all these years, I just wonder if his body will catch up to how old his face looks and breakdown in a few years. But, that being said, I hate that the Dodgers aren’t even in the Free agent conversation right now.
No opt-out clause either for Albert
I have to think Arte just wanted to seize this opportunity before Magic/Cuban/whoever makes the big splash
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
by Pure Azure on Dec 8, 2011 7:43 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
wow
That’s a Dodgercentric way of looking at it. I hope you’re right. I’m content with Kemp/Kershaw as our marquee superstars for the next decade. We just need better supporting players.
I think I saw a similar tweet from Olney too. It’s definitely a theory MLB writers are running with
by Michael White on Dec 8, 2011 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
That sucks for Cards… what was their best offer? Did Angels blow it away? I just think for Pujols to leave the team he’s been with his whole career, winning championships with, just to get the most money possible at his age is a crime in todays game. I never would of thought resigning Kemp would be so painless, and Pujols would leave the Cards.
Chris makes an impassioned plea for regulated free markets
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2011 7:50 AM PST up reply actions
Joe, I just like loyalty, loyalty is big to me in sports. I just dont like players leaving to whomever offers the highest dollar, and showing no loyalty to that team that gave them their start, treated him well, and he’s also a world champion with. I mean if Angels far and away outbid the Cards, then I could see…. but if were talking like 10 million more total or so, show some loyalty Pujols… just my opinion though.
The Cardinals viciously underpaid Pujols the last 10 years. If they aren’t willing to reinvest those savings screw them.
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by regfairfield on Dec 8, 2011 7:55 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
this
loyalty is a two way street – the clubs are always looking at this as a business. We can’t expect the players to get all emotional about a city and uniform
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2011 7:56 AM PST up reply actions
That 10 million is three times the average annual salary in MLB.
Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
I think you’re referring to Ewing’s quote. He had a lot of dollars. Kemp had a lot of kids.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Dec 8, 2011 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
then
You don’t want Paul or Dwight on the Lakers
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2011 7:56 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
is it possible to get screwed for a dude named Dana?
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2011 7:52 AM PST up reply actions
No, you saw peak Eveland last year.
A slop baller so bad even Ned did not want him.
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How can you get screwed when you get to trade Dana Eveland?
This is an automatic win if Dodgers got a living human being for him!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
But... but...
He was our future!!!
I look in the mirror, and I don't like what I see. So I bought a new one.
and now
A RH reliever
:/
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2011 7:52 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Way to steal the thunder from the Angels
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
by Pure Azure on Dec 8, 2011 7:52 AM PST up reply actions 10 recs
Awesome
Even if it’s for a bucket of balls its a good trade. Dodgers would have just ended up non-tendering him anyway
by Michael White on Dec 8, 2011 8:03 AM PST up reply actions
Going to laugh
If its for the Rule 5 guy they just selected and we wanted to save the $50k!
All In
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2011 7:59 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Quick, we gotta trade with the Orioles again. Keep pace ya know?
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 8, 2011 7:59 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
God damn. Trade Trumbo for something like Jeff Neimann and you’ve got yourself a team.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
fuckin shit… looks like I picked the wrong baseball team to be a fan of as a kid…son of a bitch… well, im not perfect, cant get them all right… 2 of 3 is still good I guess
Oh behave. :P
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
ok now this is fucking stupid
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 8, 2011 8:09 AM PST up reply actions
I hope the Angels and the Marlins sign every other FA.
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 8, 2011 8:10 AM PST up reply actions
5 yrs 75 mil...did Arte strike oil in Anaheim???
the TV contract can’t be that much to afford all this 95 million for 4 players in ’12 …damn
i would say i am jealous
but i am really not. i dont want pujols or wilson on the dodgers for the yrs/$$ it cost.
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Right, I don’t want championships either, they suck.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Just like the Tigers were a lock for a championship the year after they traded for Miggy and Dontrelle. The Angels will be good, but I don’t see them as better than the Phillies last year who clearly didn’t win a championship.
by Michael White on Dec 8, 2011 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
we just need a new owner to seriously invest in kids
and be smart with free agency.
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THE HEAT EAGLES PHILLIES ANGELS ARE THE DREAM TEAM
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2011 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
I thought the Marlins were already guaranteed a championship. Can't be both Angels and Marlins!
Maybe last year’s Phillies will win this year’s championship!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Whatever, that team will be competing and last I looked the Tigers were damn close to the World Series because they had Miggy on their team and not some dipshit at 1st base but what the fuck do I know.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
how does this bother me?
The Dodgers play in the NL West. Need to compete with those guys.
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Doesn’t I just find it funny when Dodger fans say they didn’t want Pujols. 99% of them would be shitting bricks if they had signed him but there are always the 1%.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I was be filled with a nice mixture of excitement and dread
but mostly excitement
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2011 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
marlins were in on pujols and wilson
and all they got was this crappy buehrle t-shirt
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 8, 2011 8:00 AM PST reply actions
Angels
certainly made up for a bad offseason last year
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2011 8:04 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
They’ve made up for everything they’ve ever done ever.
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 8, 2011 8:05 AM PST up reply actions
He probably got traded to us for Eovaldi or something.
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 8, 2011 8:08 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, like we didn't see this coming
dylanohernandez Dylan Hernandez
The #Dodgers won’t bid on Yu Darvish.
I look in the mirror, and I don't like what I see. So I bought a new one.
Silverwidow weeps
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2011 8:06 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Refresh my memory, was H Matsui posted? Ichiro? Or were all these guys (like Kuroda) free agents?
by Michael White on Dec 8, 2011 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
I believe
Ichiro was posted
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2011 8:13 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Matsui was a free agent I think
I look in the mirror, and I don't like what I see. So I bought a new one.
But Darvish
Posting fee will probably be at least in Dice K territory plus you will want at least a 6 year deal.
So
Hisashi Iwakuma to the Dodgers?
I look in the mirror, and I don't like what I see. So I bought a new one.
Rosenthal saying as well this is a pre-emptive strike with the Dodgers sale
and it ups the value of the Angels’ next TV deal
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Didn't they just sign one recently???
and they don’t get the ratings the Dodgers get and if I recall correctly the Dodger rating weren’t all that high in comparison to other big market clubs.
According to Josie and BH who know these things, Dodgers ratings are terrible, Angels ratings are even worse
by Michael White on Dec 8, 2011 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
well, signing Pujols boosts ratings
Rosenthal said the deal expires in 2015
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
if thats true then okay...but some ppl on twitter were saying
Arte got the money to go batshit crazy from the new TV deal which I assume is the Fox local one.
Probably not
LA’s attractiveness is more towards the number of customers the market has to provide. More people will watch a Simpsons rerun than a live baseball game in Southern California.
% of eyes is not the same as number of eyes
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2011 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
Ratings
Are not as important as the ability to keep the amount you charge the provider for your programming at a good rate.
Do the ratings include all the rebroadcasts on Extra Innings and MLB.tv?
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Dec 8, 2011 8:19 AM PST up reply actions
Well with all the Angel’s activity, I think we can pretty much tell Ned’s trade for a bat that’s payroll neutral is going to be Ethier and Billingsley for Vernon Wells.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Dec 8, 2011 8:12 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think the Cardinals played this perfectly. Solid offers leaked to the press that were just low enough that Pujols couldn’t accept them. High enough so they can paint him as greedy on his way out of town. Got all his best years at very team friendly prices. Now they can move on with their franchise without the risk of being bogged down by an albatross in a few years.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Dec 8, 2011 8:15 AM PST reply actions
Yeah, who the fuck would want the greatest hitter in baseball over the next five years. Perfect plan.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
It’s the other five I’d be concerned about if I were the Cardinals.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Dec 8, 2011 8:18 AM PST up reply actions
The Cardinals are still in St. Louis
250-260 million is just insane for them…they fucked up by not tearing that old contract up a few years ago.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Well if I'm DiPoto I call Madson's agent and ask how much to write the check for
Because w/ all this dealing do you really want Walden closing games for you?
Completely understandable
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 8, 2011 8:28 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah
I’d be shitting myself if I got the best hitter and best pitcher out there.
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 8, 2011 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
Eveland trade UPDATE
dylanohernandez
#Dodgers trading Dana Eveland to #Orioles for LHP Jarrett Martin and PTBNL, according to @danconnollysun.
Not Dana Eveland. We win.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Dec 8, 2011 8:25 AM PST up reply actions
If that’s a salary dump, it’s equivalent to not backfilling Josh Rawitch’s position.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Dec 8, 2011 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
Well they just didn’t want to tender him a contract so they got whatever they could which was basically nothing.
We got Dana Eveland never making another start for us. Addition by subtraction.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Dec 8, 2011 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
Oriole fan –
Who the fuck is Eveland
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Dec 8, 2011 8:25 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
I’m still laughing that we traded Dana Eveland.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
What the hell is this crap
Pujols, Wilson, and traded for Bailey? Jesus…
TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion
Heard it as a rumor
Figured it may as well happen at this point.
TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion
I assume your Pujols man-crush means you will be moving back to Orange County.
by Michael White on Dec 8, 2011 8:30 AM PST up reply actions
lol
vote for me here for hater of the year! http://sonsoftheatom.blogspot.com/2011/12/hater-of-year.html?spref=tw
Tony is like the fat old ex-wife, watching her former tight ass husband, give a blank check to the new young wife
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2011 8:28 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I know
Can you believe we traded Dana Eveland!?
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 8, 2011 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
so much worse than
What a morning fucking
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2011 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
I know
KC took Tom Melgarejo from us in the minor league portion of the Rule 5 Draft
by Brandon Lennox on Dec 8, 2011 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
Brandon is pissed. He has to redo the #160-170 portion of his list.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
by Nolij on Dec 8, 2011 8:33 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Yes. “Please sir, I want some m m more.”
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Dec 8, 2011 8:35 AM PST up reply actions
So how bout them Angels? Love my Dodgers, but you can bet I’m gonna catch the Angel opener on TV. That’s gonna be one expensive ticket.
this might be my favorite
billplunkettocr: #Angels Moreno just committed $325m to 2 players today. Roughly twice what he paid for team in 2003. #Pujols.
what we don’t know
Artie is in a cult that thinks the world will end in 2015
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
he is in a tennis shoe cult
he thinks the joke is on us
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2011 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
They won. They got the guy nobody thought they would get. Impossible [for me] to be anything but for the move. The only player I’ve ever seen in person who looks exactly like what the statue of him will someday look like. Also the reason why I started disliking Dodger fans at games: chanting “Pujols sucks” as he hit two homers to send us home from the playoffs. He’s the Platonic ideal of a hitter.
Buster's got a theory
Buster_ESPN: My own theory: the prospect of a Magic Johnson-led Dodger franchise jolted the Angels into changing their budget in a big, big way.
So Magic Johnson will be a minority stakeholder in a group that’s among 10 to 20 other groups who may own the Dodgers at some point and that directly caused Arte Moreno to commit $300 million. Got it, Buster. That’s some serious wall-directed shit flinging.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Dec 8, 2011 8:45 AM PST up reply actions
Fucking Angels.
I’ve said over the last year or two that Pujols likely wasn’t going to back to St. Louis and that L.A was an option. Didn’t think it would go down like this, but I’m not surprised.
I always thought he would stay in STL until the Carpenter injury, which seemed to raise some doubts. Then the Marlins shook everything up. Question: Does he sign with the Angels if the Marlins aren’t bidders?
I know he really liked the Angels. Lozano is friends with a good friend of mine (who is a huge Cardinals fan) and he has been bracing him for Albert leaving for over a year.
funny thing is I care about the Angels as much now as I did yesterday
Which is 0%
by arbfuldodger on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I guess they are proud of their slightly used sedan. We are stuck over here admiring our neighbor’s new Lambo.
you are too young to know what any of those words mean
by Hollywood Joe on Dec 8, 2011 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
We had a Lambo. Traded it for a Dotel with too many miles on it.
by Tim Crews' Dastardly Mustache on Dec 8, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
Some dude on HH
MWUAHAHAHA
We’re goin to be talked about on every SBnation site. Maybe except trueblueLA cause they don’t want to accept the truth!
I couldn’t come up with anything witty. Damn it.
by Rihanna's Ex-Boyfriend on Dec 8, 2011 8:41 AM PST reply actions
I see Nolander left us for good this morning
It was nice knowing him
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