Catching Up With The Dodgers Offseason
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 6:01 AM PST
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PrintJust in case you have missed a few transactions this offseason, here is a look at moves made by the Dodgers since the end of the season that have affected the 40-man roster.
Out
- Rod Barajas: one-year, $4 million contract with Pittsburgh Pirates on November 10; could be two years, $7.5 million with option
- Jonathan Broxton: one-year, $4 million contract with Kansas City Royals on November 29
- Jamey Carroll: two-year, $6.75 million contract with Minnesota Twins on November 16
- John Ely: outrighted from 40-man roster on November 18
- Dana Eveland: traded to Baltimore Orioles on December 8 for minor leaguers LHP Jarret Martin and OF Tyler Henson
- Jamie Hoffmann: claimed off waivers by Colorado Rockies on December 5
- Carlos Monasterios: outrighted from 40-man roster on November 18
- Eugenio Velez: outrighted on October 4, removing him from 40-man roster; declared minor-league free agency on November 2
In
- Michael Antonini: added to 40-man roster on November 18
- Alex Castellanos: added to 40-man roster on November 18
- Chris Capuano: two-year, $10 million contract signed December 2; could be three years, $17 million if mutual option exercised
- Mark Ellis: two-year, $8.75 million contract contract signed November 15; could be three years,$13.5 million if club option exercised.
- Stephen Fife: added to 40-man roster on November 18
- Aaron Harang: two-year, $12 million contract signed December 8; could be three years, $17-18 if option vests or is exercised by club
- Jerry Hairston Jr.: two-year, $6 million contract signed December 5
- Matt Kemp: extended for eight years, $160 million on November 18
- Adam Kennedy: one-year, $800,000 contract signed December 1
- Juan Rivera: re-signed one-year, $4.5 million contract signed November 3; could be two years, $8 million if club option exercised
- Alfredo Silverio: added to 40-man roster on November 2
- Scott Van Slyke: added to 40-man roster on November 2
- Matt Treanor: one-year, $850,000 contract signed November 15; could be two years, $1.8 million if club option exercised
- Josh Wall: added to 40-man roster on November 18
- Chris Withrow: added to 40-man roster on November 18
The next date to watch this offseason is Monday, as the deadline to tender contracts to players is 9 p.m. PST. The Dodgers have five players eligible for salary arbitration: Andre Ethier, Hong-Chih Kuo, James Loney, Tony Gwynn Jr., and Clayton Kershaw.
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Eugenio Velez made this season so memorable
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
by Pure Azure on Dec 9, 2011 6:06 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Dan Gilbert is a puke
But if Dwight Howard wanted to play in NJ all along, what kind of lack of foresight would that be on the Lakers’ part?
They’d be left with virtually no size. Did they have a backup plan to address the frontcourt? Lakers might be better off playing with the roster that won 2 rings.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 9, 2011 6:15 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I think the Howard report
Might be in reaction to the veto
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 9, 2011 6:29 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Well
didn’t seem like it, Howard said through his reps that he preferred NJ and a deal could happen today. Can’t be blocked because the Magic aren’t owned by the league.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 9, 2011 6:34 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
There's much less venom toward the Nets than Lakers
I guess owners are tired of the Lakers getting great players. That’s what it comes down to.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 9, 2011 7:37 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
They should be happy. Good lakers means higher national revenues and money in their pockets when they sell out the games the lakers visit. If they want those players to come play 41 games instead of 2 they should pay them.
pay them
And actually build a team the smart way so you can compete
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 9, 2011 8:05 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think that’s what I’m saying :)
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 9, 2011 8:22 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
But
What can you do if your best player isn’t a max player but you don’t have space or may not be an attractive destination for free agents?
you can be the TB Rays of the NBA
bottom line, you can’t legislate intelligence or shrewd management in sports, just like the management, or else you have the NBA dictating where players can play.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
You
Cannot be the Tampa Bay Rays in the NBA, you only have two rounds to pick players, you have a salary cap and trades have to match salaries.
And let’s say you get fortunate and get two or three really good players, you can’t sign them to low vaue extensions because their first 3 years are set by the CBA and then they know what the Max potential lis for their deal.
The NBA and MLB are fundamentally different in how the league rules and finances are handled.
the owners bought into the system, stop crying
they know the system, they know stars are driven to big markets. The bottom line is that they didn’t really address their business model in the last CBA but now they’re crying about it.
What they really should do is contract some teams in this new normal of stagnant growth, but they are living in a false paradigm where everyone wants to have the same chance to profit and compete in the NBA. You can’t legislate that, period.
The NBA is a third-rate league. You have to let free agents be free and determine where they want to go, and if they don’t want to go to your team, make it attractive enough that they do.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Do you think that Joe Johnson not being a max player has hampered the progress of the Atlanta Hawks?
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No
I think Hawks have been stuck in that middle ground where you can’t draft a mega star player nor be an attractive alternative for free agents.
Right, so you spend the max on the guy who will play for you. He may not be a “max” but he’s a damn good one.
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Agreed. Love Joe Johnson. This isn’t Rashard Lewis type contract.
I think a lot of it is that Joe Johnson ended up being paid more than any of the free agents from that summer (Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Dirk) but that’s just a result of the salary system where older guys have a higher “max” ceiling.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
Dave Miller of 710 ESPN
said that Lakers have a plan for a PF, Bynum would stay. World Peace at SF. That’s not a title contender, but I’d love to build the Lakers around Paul.
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by Pure Azure on Dec 9, 2011 6:32 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
seriously
Are the small market owners going to complain every time the big market teams try to improve?
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 9, 2011 6:37 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
ESPN reported
That it might be payback because Paul was the only star in CBA negotiations, so it might be petty maneuvers to keep him in NO for now.
These small owners are also not doing the Hornets any favors. They hired Demps and others to run the team, then when they engineer a quality trade they block it?
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by Pure Azure on Dec 9, 2011 6:44 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
exactly
This does nothing but satisfy there egos. I heard Dell Demps had to be talked out of resigning because he was so angry.
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 9, 2011 6:48 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Demps in the dumps
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
I would have been angry too
Hornets were improving with this deal.
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 9, 2011 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
yup
And now they risk losing Paul for nothing
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 9, 2011 8:22 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Dwight
Knows that he makes the most money on the team he plays for in 2011. So if he were in LA playing with Paul and Kobe, he would have as great an incentive he coud want for signing a max extension.
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A Friday night party?
Absolutely. So what’s the deal with the gift exchange?
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 7:44 AM PST up reply actions
what time is it at?
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I probably won’t be able to make it. Sorry guys. :(
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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I am also out. I thought for a moment that I could maybe get the kids to bed and then go, but I forgot that tonight is Tot Shabbat, meaning we are all getting home late and then I have to feed myself. Not gonna make it to this one.
Clink a few for me though.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
I finally commit to going and people start dropping like flies
I see how it is
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See what you did?
You’re chasing them all away! :D
Where do you Tot Shabbat at?
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South Bay. It’s a congregation that meets in a church in Hermosa. We have gone one time (this will be our second). It is very low-key, which suits me, and Spawn dug it.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
If you want more details, happy to share off-line.
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
So from the comments last night
it sounds like there is a 45 day window for the Dodgers and Fox to work out a new deal. Or did I read that wrong and they are going to smack the Dogders with a big fat lawsuit?
Brandon Roy is retiring
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by Pure Azure on Dec 9, 2011 7:26 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Indeed
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by Pure Azure on Dec 9, 2011 7:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Damn, things must have changed quickly. He was unique in this league of wonderful athletes, a deadly dancer.
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Degenerative knee injury. Maybe “degenerative” has always been the case, but today was the first time I heard that regarding Roy.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
I know, I just thought based on the reports earlier this week that Portland was not going to amnesty him that he’d had good reports on his ability to play through the pain.
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I had heard the same. A lot of people in Portland were thinking that there’s no need to amnesty him now, why not give him the year to see how the knee holds up and they amnesty him next year (if that’s the way the decision goes.) Clearly the injury is really bad. That really sucks.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
mike
San Diego State will join the Big West in all sports except football effective in 2013 after a vote of Big West officials Thursday.
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Good addition. If the Big West could have seen the future, i wonder if they would have still added Hawaii
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 7:55 AM PST up reply actions
seems doubtful
i wonder what the exit fees are like for these two teams. SDSU travels well. I dont see how CSUN, UCR will be able to handle that when their gyms get taken over. One BW school voted against SDSU. I wonder who it was.
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Will be hard to be a bus league with Hawaii in it
though it’s a pretty bus ride I hear (lots of marine life seen on the way).
But quality wise, it’s nice to have SDSU and I think Hawaii will add a little cred too (though not as much as bringing back UNLV or something)
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Back when they won the national championship
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Larry Johnson commercials used to crack me up
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They were in the PCAA, which is what the Big West became, and the BW
as were New Mexico State and Utah State among other good non-CA teams. Was a strong conference for a little while. When UCSB finally beat Tarkanian’s Rebels, who were top ranked, in a conference game, it was one of the most unforgettable moments when I was a kid.
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so was NMSU
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I have an Eastern New Mexico shirt because their mascot is the Greyhounds [and we used to have one]. Carry on.
He was five years old when we adopted him. A total wreck due to abuse but the sweetest dog ever (and I’m not a dog guy). He was at the old spectrum of adopted greyhound ages, which meant he must’ve been successful as a racer. (We traced his tattoo to figure out his lineage—he ended his “career” in Mexico.) We let him run a bunch of times at greyhound functions and he was smoking fast. They are called 45 mph couch potatoes for a reason.
i think they play long beach on monday night
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Isn’t Irvine the new kid on the block when it comes to baseball? When I think California collegiate baseball, I think Fullerton.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Fullerton and Long Beach are the "traditional" teams in the big west
Irvine was on haitus until like 6 years ago, but they have been a major player for most of that time. Stanford has a ton of success too.
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Pepperdine as well, historically anyway. CSUN used to be competive as well, but not on that level.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
USC, UCLA, Cal, and Pepperdine are historically stronger programs too, even though UCI is clearly doing better now.
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historicallyl
and UCLA actually has been pretty good as of late. Cal had a nice underdog run this year. USC still sucks.
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USC has more titles as all of the other schools in the state combined. Don’t be ridiculous.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
That would be like making fun of UCLA’ basketball program. Who does that:)
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hah
seriously though I don’t care if they won 10 national championships in the 60s or 70s or 80s. I’m talking about right now, and the last 10 years or so.
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Since I don’t care about championships, what Southern Cal college has the most major league baseball players this century? I’m asking without having any idea the answer but it seems USC has had a few.
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Long Beach or USC probably
Long Beach dominates the last 10 years.
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Overall, looks like USC, then UCLA, CSUF and Long Beach
if this is accurate
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/college/colleges.shtml
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hm
how many of those made the majors and how many where in the minors? I think Long Beach wins on overall talent pretty easily. Longo, Tulo, Weaver among others.
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you aren’t thinking with history in mind.
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
then an overall list won’t satiate your thirst
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
I believe those numbers next to each school reflect number of major leaguers
if you click on the links for each, i.e., Long Beach = http://www.baseball-almanac.com/college/long_beach_state_university_baseball_players.shtml
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so the judgment of how good a team is
is how many players they percolate to the majors? ok
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Nope, but the team who has graduated the most major league baseball players from it’s baseball program clearly does not suck. JMO
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Are the A's good because they have traded away the most major league talent?
:-p
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so is judging how good a college team is by the talent they percolated to the majors
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I don't see how that isn't relevant
If a school has a ton of players actually make the majors, that seems like that would be a successful school program. The majors are different than school programs as far as success goes.
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I'm going to go ahead and judge them
based on whether they win games or not. Its so crazy it just might work.
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USC basketball used to be the big dog in the city until some guy named Wooden came along
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Made it to CWS in 1998, 2000 and 2001 too, winning in ’98. Yes, they have not made it since then. No, they do not suck.
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they haven't been to a regional for several years as far as I can tell
that sucks
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Rays do it again
Lock up Matt Moore
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 9, 2011 8:06 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
moore is now set for life
and its not nearly as bad for him as the longo deal was for longo.
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14 mil guarenteed is what I saw
and Moore will get one year of arbitration before free agency
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http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/12/9/2623511/tampa-rays-matt-moore-contract
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3 team options. Its an awesome deal. They will likely get the $14mm in production in the first year (barring injury of course).
Was in Nolander’s camp before I saw that. Deal is nutso.
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I want to see how much the options are for
before I make a fuss.
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Guys usually don’t get that much after 2 major league starts, but Matt got Moore.
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by Nolij on Dec 9, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
That must mean the free agency years are for something like 7 and 9. Insane.
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If it’s anythign like Longo’s options, they are very team friendly
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
Gotcha
Another difference, Moore was already called up to the majors. Longoria was still a minor leaguer. Both sides were gambling on that deal since there’s no sure thing minor leaguers.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 8:35 AM PST up reply actions
Right and I believe Longoria was called up approximately two weeks into the season his first year.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
Its $14mm for the first 5 years, but then they have 3 team options at what will likely be team friendly numbers.
3 options for Moore
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 9, 2011 8:35 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Gotta love the move. That right there is why some of us howl when Ned gives a 35 year old bench player two years.
The moves the Rays do require them to have absolute faith that there minor league scouts know what they’re doing. You think Ned Colletti had faith that Matt Kemp would even be an above average player?
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
Enough that he never traded him when he could have numerous times.
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Of all the things that have shocked me during the Ned era, the fact Matt Kemp is going to be a Dodger for life is easily the most shocking.
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Devil's Advocate
I think the fact he signed for market value (i.e. top value) makes it not that big of a surprise.
To me it’s more of an organizational philosophy question. We simply don’t prioritize locking up young players (whether this is good or bad is another issue). I know it takes two to tango, but if we had R. Martin and Loney locked up long-term at least we wouldn’t be dumpster diving like we are now.
Afraid of getting egg on their face. Imagine giving the Longo deal to Andy LaRoche.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
Right
It’s not like they are in danger of losing the player. If a player is really good, you will have him for 6 years, maybe close to seven depending on when you call him up.
I would be more likely to do the deal with a pitcher like Moore than any position player. You can see in a few starts how overpowering he is. The league can only scout that so much.
John Ely’s first few starts were electric! :)
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
But pitchers are so much riskier because of injuries.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t know
Not everyone has a Crawford, Price, Longo, and Moore who are so clearly better then the rest of baseball. Still they also made great decisions with Zobrist and Shields.
Top notch scouting?
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We wouldn't be, since we'd already be in the dumpster.
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Players it would have been great to sign long term early on:
Matt Kemp
Clayton Kershaw
Possibly Ethier
Players where it would have bit us in the ass:
Russell Martin
Jonathan Broxton
James Loney
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If they were signed to contracts like Moore’s they would have hit the options part of the contract by now.
You can’t hand contracts like these to everyone, the only guy on the Dodgers that remotely deserved it was Kershaw, but when you get the chance you should jump on it.
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Marv Albert says, “Yes!”
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
15-year statute of limitations?
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by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
I would be in favor of locking up guys like Moore that are clearly in a class of talent above the normal “top prospect”.
Yes. Would any here have been remotely upset if Kershaw had gotten a deal in his first year? I would have been psyched with the deal and the forward thinking…
Kershaw has to say yes too. Don’t forget, the Rays tried this was Upton too and he said no.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe Billingsley
Moore was #35 prospect by BA heading into 2010, then #15 heading into 2011. He is either #2 or #3 now, depending on how Mike Trout is classified.
Billingsley was #19 heading into 2005, and #7 heading into 2006.
The roughly equivalent time for the Dodgers would have been to do it after Billingsley’s 90 innings in 2006.
The only person that has described with the Dodgers is Clayton Kershaw
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
One hell of a deal for the Rays as long as he doesn't bust out
Even if he does (looks like a fat chance at this point) at worst it’s 14 mill for 5 years. Imagine if Kershaw had signed a deal like this. I would love to have Andrew Friedman as our GM so so much.
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If we ever get Friedman or AA, I'm gonna do the no pants dance.
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"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."
Terrible precedent setting move by Stern.
Coach Brown is now being asked to do something no coach has ever been asked to do. Hell of a way to start your Laker coaching career.
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Heard that some owners were not consulted about this, so he can’t really say it was about the Hornets
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by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 9, 2011 8:32 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
No clue
But is it karmic payback for allowing the Pau Gasol trade in the first place? Don’t most people think that was a fleece?
They did, but in the end the Grizzlies got Marc Gasol and I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone who would not trade Pau Gasol for Marc right now. Kind of amazing how different skills sets the two brothers have. To bad they will not play on the same team.
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Memphis rebuilt their entire team with that trade. They got a franchise center in Marc Gasol and the cap space which allowed them to trade for Zach Randolph. As a result, 2010-2011 was the best year in Grizzlies history. By comparison, the Gasol led Grizzlies never won a playoff game.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
But to Dan Gilbert’s point, the Lakers took on a bunch of salary in the Memphis deal, but they save money under this trade (though they are clearly giving up more in talent, in Gasol and Odom). But Gilbert in his rant completely ignored what the deal meant for New Orleans and Houston.
I think a deal can get done if the Lakers sweeten the pot a little, maybe add a draft pick or take back another salaried player in the deal.
But I hope the players revolt over this.
The team coming out the worst in this deal is Houston, not New Orleans. But Daryl Morey has a Billy Beane post-moneyball type reputation with the snarky NBA writers so it wasn’t really challenged. They just assume he knows what he’s doing.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
Hasn’t he earned that respect? Has anyone done more with less?
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Wouldn’t that be a detriment not a plus given the size of the contracts and the injury issues for both players?
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But the team with TMac and Yao in the playoffs (2008?) was the best team the Rockets had since Hakeem. They haven’t done much since then.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
Okay, I just remember them as being extremely over achieving considering they had Yao’s contract but no Yao year after year. But I didn’t pay that much attention.
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The last time the Rockets won a playoff series, Yao played in the post-season (beat the Blazers.) Yao got injured in the second round and the team was bounced. The following year, Yao missed the entire season and the Rockets were decent (42-40) but missed the playoffs. Missed the playoffs again last season and seemed to go into rebuild mode.
So they probably over-acheived the past two years with Yao’s contract on the books but unable to play, but in the West they were still unable to make the post-season.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
I’ll try not to be a complete Grizzlies honk here, but that Memphis team last year was better than any of the Morey Rockets teams. And that was completely put together by Wallace (Bill Simmons punching bag) the GM of the Grizzlies. The Grizzlies also traded with the Rockets last year at the deadline. Thabeet and a pick for Shane Battier (the perfect player for a playoff run.)
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
Grizzlies are the Rays of the NBA or is that the Thunder
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Thunder built with youth and hit the lotto in the draft (Rays)
Grizzlies traded for guys that were undervalued (A’s)
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think you can put the A’s in that category. All of their prior success was built around home grown talent not trades. Any trades they made of that home grown talent (Haren) allowed to be mediocre at best but hardly successful. Unless I’m misremembering the Angels not winning all those divisions since the home grown boys left the coup via FA or trades.
Giambi
Chavez
Tejada
Zito
Hudson
Mulder
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Moneyball meant the A’s could surround an excellent core with secondary talent that was out performing players of similar cost.
If you have no budget and you can’t build through the draft, you become todays A’s.
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If Murphy was our target
then they must have wanted Jansen, remember they just gave 12 million to Frank Francisco
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I would’ve hated that move. Hopefully Ned tried to move Guerra instead, which is a sell high. Jansen is the real deal.
Real curious about our plans for Guerra next year. He’s kind of in that AJ Ellis territory of “Are we really going to go with him?” A little scary that there are so many closers available right now. Resist the urge, Ned!
guerra is far more established then ellis
he had a decent number of saves and looked good doing it. Plus we have Jansen if that doesn’t work out.
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Rays:
Price
Shields
Moore
Hellickson
Nieman
Wade Davis
all ready for major league action with:
With
Alex Cob
Chris Archer
Ready for 4/5 starter duty
They need a 1st baseman. Angels need a 5th starter.
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If it makes you feel better, Phil I think Withrow is better than Eo.
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The more I look at Eo’s advanced stats the less I like him. Since Minor League Central got pitch data I’ve paid a lot of attention to how many swings and misses a pitcher can induce and Eo wasn’t all that amazing at in compared to his overall strike out rate. Webster, Withrow, Archer, and many others were better at missing bats than he was.
That and a lot of Eo’s success was based on an unnaturally low home run rate. Eo’s slightly above average at inducing ground balls but his home runs were not matching. Since he doesn’t seem like he has the stuff to constantly induce soft contact I don’t think that will last in the bigs.
I haven’t actually studied any of this and for all I know swings and misses might not matter at all, but these kind of things could help explain why Eo dominated the Southern League and looked so unnotable on the Dodgers.
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His Dodgers debut was better than I was expecting. We’ll see though, obviously he needs to sharpen his command.
The fact that he outperformed Billz’ debut was encouraging.
To my eyes
He still looks like a chucker out there. I fully expect him to land in the bullpen eventually but stranger things have happened.
John Ely looked great in his first few games and we all know how that went. I’d like to see Eo go for an entire season after the league has a chance to adjust.
I pitched to Matt Kemp, and all I got was this stupid earned run.
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Completely different types of pitchers that aren’t really comparable but yes Eo will need to adjust and locate pitches better bottom line. Just saying, the same goes for 97% of other rookie pitchers. There’s maybe a couple studs per year that come up and are awesome out of the gate and don’t look back.
Yeah I’m VERY skeptical on his MLB success without some major changes to both his repretoire and control
His slider was inconsestent
but there where times hwere it looked really good.
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not a direct reply to you, but I think sometimes being skeptical of a prospect comes across as rooting for them to fail. I’m rooting for all of them to succeed, and in Eo’s case it would be exciting to see what a 100mph fastball would look like with control and quality offspeed pitchES, but he’s a ways from that.
This is why I've wanted him to start the season in AA
And many others want him there, too. Needs work on developing more reliable secondary stuff.
by The Dude Abides on Dec 9, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Yep. I think every single Loney-basher here would be ecstatic if Jim proved them wrong.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
What’s funny is that the one way-out-of-character move they’ve done [signing Burrell to a Ned Special] backfired so spectacularly that they will probably never do that again.
Of all the good things they do, signing old DH’s has been a thorn in the side from the beginning. They look like good signings but never work out. Just surprised the White Sox got Dunned instead of the Rays.
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David Aldridge
Magic contemplating filing tampering charges against two teams for illegal contact w/ Dwight Howard.
if these owners keep going after each other
maybe they will not ratify this CBA?
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ESPN and Yahoo both report the deal ratified.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story//id/7332374/nba-labor-players-owners-vote-ratify-new-labor-agreement
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Talking about being smart when building an NBA team
Name the last superstar Laker that they got without somehow being connected to a trade?
Damn
Not even sure about the history of Baylor or West but I think you have to go that far back.
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Working backwards:
Gasol – trade
Shaq / Kobe trade
McAdoo – trade
Worthy – trade of Don Ford
Byron Scott – trade of Norm Nixon
How about Norm Nixon?
Magic – Gail Goodrich comp
Kareem – trade
Wilt – trade
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Anthony Peeler.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I should have said outside of Shaq
Since he was a FA signing but they had to clear space.
Anyway, outside of Shaq, every LA Laker great was acquired by trade, either the player themselves or the draft pick. Both Baylor and West were drafted by the Minneapolis Lakers.
The Lakers don’t draft high enough to get marquee talent. The only lottery pick I can think of is Eddie Jones. Is that the only one they’ve ever had?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Worthy, Magic were lottery picks (number one is about as big a lottery pick as you get)
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Magic and Worthy were drafted before the lottery. Ewing was the first-ever lottery pick.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Seem to be nitpicking. The draft was still based on win/loss record, they simply didn’t use balls to determine the pick but the actual record.
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So, what you’re saying is, it wasn’t a lottery.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Basketball reasons
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 9, 2011 9:20 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
Though he may have been a territorial draft pick. But yes, Gail should count but you are going back 46 years.
damn wind!
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by delias man on Dec 9, 2011 9:23 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Oh snap
"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
by Tommy Blackjack on Dec 9, 2011 9:23 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Those letters will be knocked down again and again once Capang take the mound.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
by Pure Azure on Dec 9, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
PARKING HERE
They’re coming down for Frank’s 2012 version
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 9, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
San Jose Mercury news via mlbtr
The “benchmark” for a Cain extension seems to be the six-year, $99MM offer from the Marlins that C.J. Wilson reportedly turned down before signing with the Angels.
Also in that piece
“The feeling around the league” is that the Giants will eventually have to part ways with one of the two aces.
I see that too. Given their proclaimed budget hard to imagine them paying through the nose for years to come to lock up both guys. Fine by me.
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I never actually saw what the Marlins’ offer was; damn, C.J., I guess he really did want to come home.
I saw a caption in the paper this morning that said “he wanted to be close to home” and I laughed, thinking the $77 million made that decision. Then I saw this…damn…maybe he was being honest.
he also said he would have signed with the dodgers if we offered the same
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C.J. said himself yesterday that he had a 7th year option on that contract. Dude is the most honest, non-cliched player I’ve ever heard.
having a drink when you really want it is much more honest
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
This one-ups Loney
GSW guard Charlie Bell taken into custody Thursday after arriving to court legally drunk for a hearing on his DUI case.
Nothing proves you weren't drunk that one time
Like being drunk this time
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I wasnt drunk at the time of this incident your honor. I’ll show you what real drunk looks like.
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 9, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe he has his reasons
VH1’s Basketball Wives: Miami is quickly becoming one of television’s most popular reality shows. The newest series may have gotten even more interesting with the latest addition: Kenya Bell. Bell is the wife of Golden State Warriors guard and Flint native Charlie Bell. She will appear on the fourth season which will air in February 2012. Bell is a former Miss Michigan USA but is most notable for her assault on Charlie earlier this year. She reportedly stabbed him with a box cutter in his home in Grand Blanc Township in front of their two children, according to Genesee County Prosecuter David Leyton.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 9, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
In a related story, I tried to watch Baseball Wives, but had to turn it off after like 20 minutes. Just terrible.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
You lasted longer than I did.
"It takes a special fan to root for a last place moribund bankrupt franchise."
by Little Blue Bicycle on Dec 9, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
It has Anna Benson, yes?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Basketball wives has Kris Benson’s wife?
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Does it have anyone that is married to a current baseball player.
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by regfairfield on Dec 9, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Ron Villone’s wife was on there, and I think there were 1-2 other current wives but I can’t remember.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Ron Villione is an active baseball player?
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by regfairfield on Dec 9, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Man I totally thought he was. Last played in MLB in 2009. Was in minors in 2010.
So no, I guess no current major leaguers. Jason Kendall’s ex-wife is though.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
The next date to watch this offseason is Monday, as the deadline to tender contracts to players is 9 p.m. PST. The Dodgers have five players eligible for salary arbitration: Andre Ethier, Hong-Chih Kuo, James Loney, Tony Gwynn Jr., and Clayton Kershaw.
Safe to say if Kuo has not signed a contract by Monday at 09:00PM he is good bye?
Is Gwynn the only question mark? and given his probable price it would be a shame to lose him. You would think they would easily be able to tender him, make a deal and then trade him if they can’t afford him. Wouldn’t you?
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I think they can still work out a deal with Kuo past Monday, since I don’t think he has much of a market. I think if they don’t work out a deal by Monday it is likely Kuo won’t be back, but the door won’t be closed.
Agreed on Gwynn.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Sands
There’s been hints that he’s making the team as a bench guy (who will probably get a lot of starts). That was surprising to me. Thought for sure he’d be back in AAA after Rivera signed.
i've seen none
and I have never stopped believing sands will get plenty of starts early on in the outfield
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Hey soccer fans, just want to know if I got this right. In europe soccer, most soccer outside of us. There isnt any salary cap right? The big market and money teams usually always get or sign the top players in the world correct? There is nothing done to help smaller market teams succeed, or any profit sharing, or create league parity right? However soccer outside the US is still the biggest sport in the world, and small teams still make money, and nobody stops watching and isnt losing any kind of fan support world wide??
And if you don’t win enough, they send you to the minor leagues and call up a minor league franchise to replace you.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Also, they make you play soccer.
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quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
There is no salary cap presumably because there are several different leagues with similar high level competitives (La Liga, Premier League, Bundesliga, etc.) So you’d have to organize some sort of world-wide salary cap which seems…impossible.
Also, soccer revenue sharing is a complete joke. Barcelona and Real arranged it so those two teams alone keep 75% of the revenues. It’s crazy. They don’t even pretend to be fair.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
it is 85% of the TV revenue i have read
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You were my source on that, so I’ll defer to you.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, thats my problem… So sick of american sports trying to change shit all the time to help small market teams. This aint little league, everyone gets to play. Everyone should have a shot to be a champion, fuck that. Life aint fair, why should sports be? Why do big market teams have to suffer because little market teams cant get their shit together and have shitty owners? Thats life haha
and then when all the small market teams fail
and the lakers end up with only 3 other teams to play you’ll be standing there confused as to what happened.
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Also, if you want a free market like in Europe, remove the restrictions from where NBA teams can be located. The Premier League has half the league in London, the Argentine League has like 75% of the league located in Buenos Aires. The Lakers can’t have it both ways by keeping teams (like the Kings) out of their market and then asking for a free market when it comes to salaries.
If the market was free, you’d have 4 teams in LA, 5 in NY, 3 in Chicago, etc.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Yet the powerhouses are still in the 2nd and 4th(?) biggest cities. The London teams haven’t had the success of a Manchester or Liverpool.
The Geography is also completely different.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
The Big 3 clubs that have won the last 20 championships (save the Blackburn outlier) are Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U. 2 of those 3 are in London. Manchester City got rich one day, but they haven’t won anything yet.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Okay, I was wrong
It’s big 4 with Liverpool. 2 London, 1 Manchester, 1 Liverpool
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
I guess it’s similar in the NBA to how the top teams are in L.A. and Boston and NY is not as good.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Well between Boston and LA what percentage of NBA titles do they have? Haven’t looked it up, but it’s probably pretty overwhelming.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
This counts three years of the BAA (the precursor to the NBA) from 1946-1947 season through 1948-1949
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Nasty % of those are Celtic titles. God I hated them.
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Since the 1960s ended, the Lakers are up 11-6 in titles, so there’s that.
Also, the Lakers blow them away with Finals appearances, playoff appearances, and winning percentage.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Beating the Celtics is why Magic is what he is today. JMO
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Beating the Knicks that one time made Reggie Miller
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
I was gonna say dude, you can’t leave out the 16 time title winner
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
awww, did Chris not get his Chris Paul xmas present that he so deserves because he is a Laker fan in a big market?
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by Phil Gurnee on Dec 9, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
no Phil…. look, was I excited about Paul? yes…. But Lakers were also giving up a ton for him, and im not totally sure that trade made the Lakers better as a whole. It was really risky. But yes I was excited to get Paul, I love Paul the player, and was excited to see something new in a Laker uniform. But with or without the trade, IMO this team is a title contender, and who knows, maybe it works out better in the long run it didnt go down…. But well before Chris Paul, Ive always been sick of trying to change rules to help small market teams.
and my point was soccer world wide is going just fine, everyone is making money, enough to pay star players 30 mil a year or more, and I dont see them trying to change things to make things more “fair” or a more level playing field for everyone. Why do we need to do that? I think if your a fan, your a fan, if your team wins or not. As you being a Clipper fan, that proves it, and they arent a small market team.
Please cite your sources for the “everyone is making money” claim.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
lol shit man, I dont have all my facts straight, you should know that. But I got friends from Napoli, they havent won anything since they had that hand of god guy, and cant compete money wise with the big dogs, AC Milan, etc, but they still very much love their team, and love that they got back to Seria A, and they arent crying.
American sports compared to European soccer is a fools errand
look at all the teams that can’t sell out or even half fill their stadiums in american sports. That doesn’t happen to teams like Napoli. Its just a pointless comparison.
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i am willing to bet that napoli plays in a half empty stadium weekly
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lol do they? I really have no idea… they dont live in Napoli anymore… wait so really they are half empty?
half empty in their stadium is 10k more then a laker sellout
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I thought Texas sold out regularly
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Fuck me
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It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
no you are on the right track
thats what I’m saying! European soccer is on a different level then most american sports when it comes to fan following
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I think the US is more regionalized. Baseball in the American NE. College Football in the SE. Basketball in the West.
In Europe you have places like Ireland which prefer gaelic sports and rugby to soccer, but most places soccer is the number 1 sport.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
there are tons of Euro soccer teams that can’t fill their stadiums. Basil in Switzerland couldn’t sell out hosting Man Utd. on Wednesday. Don’t say Europe when you mean two teams in Spain and a handfull in Italy and England
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
my point is, good established teams sell out. Most everyone else doesn’t. Regardless of league, country, gang or religious affiliation
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
ok, fair enough, but soccer isnt doing anything to create a more balanced playing field as far as who can spend what right? and soccer popularity isnt suffering because of it?
soccer as a sport, no. Individual team fan bases, yes.
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Aren’t they going to rein in spending in the next few years by saying teams can only spend what they bring in and can’t just get some guy so rich that he makes Mark Cuban look like Frank McCourt come in and spend hundreds of millions of dollars to make his team competitive (Chelsea, Man City).
On the same token, the New York Giants and Green Bay Packers have sold out every football game for half a century. You can’t just pick the top clubs when comparing sport A vs. Sport B, or US vs. Europe.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
this is where we’d go back to back, put on our sunglasses, and go “yeah”
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Comparing one sport with 30 teams in one country to a sport with a couple hundred teams in a couple dozen of countries seems like a not good comparison.
I’d say the small market fans of the Green Bay Packers are the greatest fans in the United States.
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I’m sure they get some help from Milwaukee
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Right, it wasn’t that long ago that they played one home game a year in Milwaukee
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
You wouldn’t consider Milwaukee small market?
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If not, then what is the big / small breakdown?
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I’d say Milwaukee/Kansas City/Cincinnati are a step above New Orleans/Jacksonville is all. I don’t think there’s a Mason-Dixon line for big and small markets. It’s more tiered.
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Only because of history, not population.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Green Bay Packers aren't a small market though
they are in a small town, but they have a huge following
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Have the packers ever been bad for a really extended amount of time?
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no titles between Bart Star and Brett Favre
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
And the Giants won like 4 games* during the 70s (and continued to sell out)
*an exagerration. They were really bad though
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
i remember the 80s sucked for them
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the biggest most powerful club in south america over the last 70 years went broke and now sits in the second division with 30M of debt.
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I can see you grinning as you typed this
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
i sort of miss them
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that made me LOL and I'm a Laker fan
(even though I still think the NBA decision is reckless and dangerous that has implications beyond the Lakers, who long term would have been helped by trade but short term would have issues) and it screws over the Hornets, which you’d think they wouldn’t want to do, and sets a bad precedent. Is NY okay or also too wealthy? New Jersey is okay. But what about…? My assumption is this trade is eventually gonna happen after all the terrible PR and the pandora’s box it opens up.
ANYway… still made me laugh.
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wait, screws over Hornets if it DOES happen, or DOESNT happen as it stands now? Most the media feels the Hornets got a great return in this deal, and I dont get what Stern is talking about Paul has more value in NO?? What value? Is anyone really going to like Paul in NO this season? Is anyone going to buy any Paul jerseys or merchandise knowing he is gone after 66 games? What value does Paul have left in NO now? and how does it help the Hornets or the NBA for Hornets to get nothing?
The Stern decision screws over the Hornets. He’s clear about that.
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i read that cleveland owners email
he made it seem like the lakers were robbing NO blind. that was not really the case?
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Gilbert didn’t even mention the cap ramifications or the return that both New Orleans and Houston got.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
ok.
reasonable
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All that matters
Did he type in ALLCAPS?
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I think the company line
is that NO gets OK but not marketable players AND no salary relief, thus making them less attractive to potential buyers. But why let all those league executives work under the assumption that Paul was available?
They wasted all that time to have the deal vetoed because Cuban, Gilbert, and some other twits felt betrayed by “business as usual” when they just ratified the CBA? Bad leadership. Bad league.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Did you read the Clipper Steve Snark breakdown of the email?
http://www.clipsnation.com/2011/12/9/2622946/nba-rumors-chris-paul-lakers-hornets-dan-gilbert-letter
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As I drove home last night
I had talked myself into this trade not being a slam dunk for the Lakers.
That said, the Lakers got the best player in the deal; a 26 year old point guard in his prime, and saved money. It was a very good deal for the Lakers.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
If it DOESN'T happen. The trade was good for Hornets, too, was my point.
People were less clear on what Houston would gain in that three way.
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Clearly they would get an unhappy Spaniard.
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Pau, Houston has some great Spanish restaurants!
(really, it does!)
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Cool stuff on Yu Darvish tracking the average velocity on his pitches and you can marvel at his obscene pitch counts this year.
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by regfairfield on Dec 9, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Hmmm
This may have been hashed out a ton, but I don’t understand letting Jamey go and signing Ellis
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 9, 2011 10:26 AM PST reply actions
Jamey is too old!
which is why we signed hairston instead who is 1 year younger.
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The list of good 38 year old middle infielders is a short one.
Also we are dumb.
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by regfairfield on Dec 9, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
I hear ya…I mean it just seems weird, Jamey was so productive for what he was, and he is cheaper
KCAL! FTMFW!
by robotmadeofnails on Dec 9, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
I think he is retiring
i haven’t heard anything about him at all wanting to continue his career.
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ah looks like might go to cleveland
http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2011/12/cleveland_indians_interested_i_1.html
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Alex Tamin likes good defenders watching flyballs go over their heads
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Real response: Team Loney has got to get on top of this story.
Flip response: Loney wasn’t acting normal — so, nothing unusual, amirite?
magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur
by Humma Kavula on Dec 9, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Something put Jim asleep big time.
I’m a bit befuddled at the lack of test results by now.
I’m even more shocked that in today’s world, it did not come out until yesterday.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Yeah, I don’t know how something like that goes unreported.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Where the hell was the crack TBLA team?
by KellyStephen on Dec 9, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
I usually monitor hospital emergency rooms for dates; you’d think I would have stumbled across this piece of info.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
That’s how our sister-in-law found her husband.
by KellyStephen on Dec 9, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Is it really illegal? dam I see people driving with headphones on all the time listening to their ipods I assume. I thought anything hands free was legal? but guess not.
I got a ticket once for using headphones back when walkman’s were the rage:)
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Dam, so using that earplug thing that comes with the cellphone to talk on your cellphone with is illegal too? Has to be a bluetooth?
Great
Mike Bresnahan: Pau Gasol is at training camp, Lamar Odom is not. Also, Lakers do not plan to take legal action against the league. Twitter
Lamar is an emotional guy
Pretty sure he’s just overwhelmed with everything that’s going on right now…whether the trade goes through or not, I’m expecting a monster season with a big “FU” on his forehead every game.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
That's a given
Probably Skittles. :-)
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
yeah, I feel bad for him, he was really down…. The kardashians are really down too, cant wait to see when this all happened on the next season of Lamar and Khloe haha
But I feel bad for Lamar, and he should take it so hard…. We love you man, dont think of it as you werent wanted, that isnt the case. To get something, you gotta give something, but that doesnt mean we dont want you man. Incase your reading this.
Please tell me you don't feel bad for anyone who is a Kardashian though.
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I feel bad for Bruce Jenner, who had his bro camping trip plans squashed :)
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Hah. I feel bad when I see Bruce Jenner, sadly.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
My mom saw Odom at the Ralphs off a white oak a couple weeks back
I’m sure she’s glad there will be future encounters now.
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
So we have a non-litigious sports owner in LA after all? Impressive. WWFD?
by KellyStephen on Dec 9, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Remember how
I was saying yesterday that low ratings don’t mean no one watches the Dodgers.
For the Brewers to get a 1 share, meaning 1% of TVs in Milwaukee are watching the Brewers, they need to be watched in 9,035 households. For the Dodgers to get a 1 share, they need to be watched in 56, 542 homes. The Brewers would have a 6 share being in that many homes.
so if the Packers have a STH wait list long enough to fill the stadium, plus you figure those who can’t afford to get on the list, they probably pull almost a 20 share every Sunday. That’s a lot of ad revenue : )
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Things most teams don't do - release dollar amounts in a press release
or via Twitter. From the Rays:
Moore’s deal is worth a maximum value of approximately $39.75 million, including $14 million guaranteed.
White Sox and Blue Jays occasionally post dollar figures.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Marc Topkin has the salary breakdown
2012: $1M
2013: $1M
2014: $1M
2015: $3M
2016: $5M
2017: $7M option
2018: $9.5M option
2019: $10M option
Looks like the option buyouts and signing bonus total $3 million
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Rays can get Matt Moore’s first two years of free agency for 2/19. God damn.
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by regfairfield on Dec 9, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
If I did the math right, the signing bonus has to be $2.25 million, with $750k buyout for the options.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Dotel got $3.5 million from the Tigers. $3 million this year, plus $3.5 million club option for 2013 or $500k buyout, per Jason Beck.
that shit cray
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
Did anyone catch the piece that Loney thought the date was July 15th?!?
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
From Esmeralda Bermudez and Eric Spillman
“They said he “exhibited eyelid tremors and his shirt was soiled and moist from perspiration, from his armpits down to his waistline.”
He also apparently thought the date was July 15."
-LA times
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
Sorry, this first week of work has left me sick as a dog, so I cannot attend tonight
but I would like to contribute to Eric’s paypal, if at all possible so let me know the info so I can buy y’all a virtual beer
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
Skirts are dropping like flies. Down to Josie and possible guests of others?
Follow @DavidYoungTBLA
- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I thought she was your designated driver?
Either way, I can give you a lift home if necessary
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
I was gonna be... I feel like my body needs 48 hours of sleep right now
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
And ys, I do think you can be a fan of two baseball teams
but, its like, Angels Dodgers, White Sox Cubs, Mets Yankees…. I know the rivalry isn’t as intense. But LA just doesn’t really rival for STL with much, so it seems more benign. Maybe I’m just wrong. I am happy that STL doesn’t get saddled with that ridiculous contract when he’s in his late 30’s
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
So are people showing up on time for this little shindig tonight
or are we all arriving fashionably late? Or do we have to be on-time to hold tables or something?
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- The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.
I’m going right from work, so if anything I’ll be there a little early.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
I'm leaving work early
Trying to get there by 6pm
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
so E, paypal?
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
thanks, expect a contribution :-)
"I was a little scared he was into that Oakland thing. We swing here on 3-0." Grady Little on Andre
Tonight is a good night to just hang out, as there are no local sports in action unless I completely missed something. No Kings, no Ducks, no local college hoops, obviously no NBA action.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
you missed UCLA Men’s soccer in the semifinals of the NCAA Men’s soccer tourney on ESPNU, but I’ve got that : p
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
I get off work at 6 to 6:30ish
plus an hour to two hours depending on traffic, so I’ll be late.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Nobody is going from Hollywood to the Pasadena area once the shindig is over, are they?
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Someone might care that JJ Watt gets another shot to beat up Andy Dalton
after losing to him last year in the Rose Bowl
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We still don’t care about Texans/Bengals.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
ok so its slightly less shitty
woo. Two shitty QBs battling it out to be more shitty.
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According to Marc Stein on ESPN Radio he just said the amnesty window is 7 days, so you cant save it for later.
Speaking of amnesty
The most obvious player to be amnestied, the Vernon Wells of the NBA, Gilbert Arenas, was just waived by Orlando.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe the trade being rejected might turn out for the best if Lakers can still maybe get a Baron Davis or something out of it in the end. No Chris Paul, but not losing Gasol or Odom either. Though Stein said he thinks Lakers will still move Odom now, because Odom is just too sensitive a guy for the Lakers to move forward with now.
Davis is still a good player, and IMO, would play better then he has been of late if on a contending team that he is happy being on.
FWIW
His first year in LA was one of the worst seasons I’ve ever seen. I couldn’t stand Baron. Then, he actually picked it up. His second year was SO much better and the 3rd year (before he was traded) he was the perfect PG to play with Blake (except for the fact that he can’t hit a jumper.) He throws a sick alley-oop and opposing defenses were so worried about ending up on posters, Baron was able to dribble right to the basket and simply lay it in. The guy loved playing with Griffin.
Interestingly, the rumors that came out after he was traded was that Gordon hated playing with him. I assume Blake and DJ loved playign with him.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
yeah and maybe im wrong but I think that 1st year was because he was unhappy because he came thinking Brand was on board…. I wouldnt be surprised if Paul has a off season this year as well. IMO players that arent happy wont give it their all day in and day out for most part.
He supposedly hated Dunleavy and the team really sucked (save the month of December after they traded for Zbo and Randolph, Camby and Baron were all healhty at the same time.) He also pulled an Andruw Jones and showed up way out of shape.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
If we sign Victorino and BJ Upton for 2013
Gordon
Victorino
Upton
Kemp
Sands
Uribe
Ellis I
Ellis II
Nice??
I’d hope we face whatever team Kuroda is pitching for.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Dodgers/Yankees World Series
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
by regfairfield on Dec 9, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Rotation would still be CK, Bills, Lilly, Crapuano, Harangue
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
If you’re gonna get on Twitter please do not use Dee Gordon as your reason.
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by regfairfield on Dec 9, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly
I was just about to say the same thing.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Single game spring training tix on sale today through special offer
Got mine for March 15-17, Royals, Rangers, Giants. My first time at Camelback, so really looking forward to it.
In a year that has been so improbable, the impossible has happened
Not sure if I will be there that week or the week after but I’ll stop and say hi if I am there.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
My birthday on the 16th
and taking my Dad. Should be a fun trip.
In a year that has been so improbable, the impossible has happened
Colts
Should they keep Manning and trade the #1 pick to Cleveland for an assload of picks? Or just take Luck?
keep manning and pick luck
or if the medicals are bad then release manning
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But they will still suck ass with Luck next year IMO. I’m wondering if their ownership is patient enough to rebuild for 5 years.
But they’d have Manning. It’s like Favre/Rodgers all over again
by Josie Becker on Dec 9, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
not even close!
vote for me here for hater of the year! http://sonsoftheatom.blogspot.com/2011/12/hater-of-year.html?spref=tw
Manning is more discrete with his dongpix
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
by Nolij on Dec 9, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
then they get another high pick to trade for guys
they have no one at QB right now. Gotta go get that QB.
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and again
they would only need to co exist for one year. You pick luck because Manning’s health is in question. Once he proves his health, luck goes bye bye. If he can’t prove his health, he goes bye bye.
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I think they have to see what they can get for the pick. If they can get a boatload for just moving down in the top 5-10, they might be able to get Barkley (I am biased here) and fill other needs.
But yeah, keep Manning unless he is just medically unable to go.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Get a bunch of picks, IMHO
Indy has way more holes than just QB…and by the way, is it possible for Peyton to win the MVP without playing a single game? Unbelievable what he’s worth to that franchise…
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
They absolutely take Luck. It’s not like Peyton is immortal
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
I'm calling Manning to DC
so they can continue losing with ex-great players and coaches
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
If manning isn healthy he isn't going anywhere
he will either be playing with the colts or coaching with them
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I thought the problem was
(from what I’d been hearing this week from various sources, not just from Archie but who knows if true) is that Manning and Luck won’t co-exist very well, even though nothing personal between them. i.e., Luck should start pretty early and Manning doesn’t want to feel someone breathing down his, er, neck. Not sure about how much is true but read that in several places this past week.
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Luck can sit on his ass for a year and learn
its peyton fucking manning, I doubt Luck is going to whine. If Manning is Manning next year you trade Luck for a bojillian picks. If not its Luck time.
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As the Bears try to stop Tim Tebow from his sixth straight victory on Sunday amid a fever pitch of attention on the polarizing Denver Broncos quarterback, Charles Barkley made a plea to Chicago: Stop the madness.
“I want to make a personal plea to Lance Briggs, Brian Urlacher, Mr. [Julius] Peppers, please stop the madness,” Barkley said Friday on “The Waddle & Silvy Show” on ESPN 1000. “I’m just so tired … I like Tim Tebow. He seems like a good kid, and I wish him success, but I am Tebowed out. So this is my personal plea for you three guys, please stop this madness.”
Stop cutting and pasting things without identifying them as such. Also, please post the link.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Yup. I’m going to start deleting these.
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
I thought the rule more specifically was "Stop quoting Charles Barkley at length"?
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
David Stern
Since the NBA purchased the New Orleans Hornets, final responsibility for significant management decisions lies with the Commissioner’s Office in consultation with team chairman Jac Sperling. All decisions are made on the basis of what is in the best interests of the Hornets. In the case of the trade proposal that was made to the Hornets for Chris Paul, we decided, free from the influence of other NBA owners, that the team was better served with Chris in a Hornets uniform than by the outcome of the terms of that trade.
Forked tongue
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
I hope Talia Shire feeds David Stern a canoli
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
I still think the deal gets done
The Lakers will end up taking Okafor or there will be another draft pick or something.
I think Lakers should be getting Okafor back anyways IMO…. even if we dont get Howard, oh well…. Bynum, Okafor, Peace or Barnes, Kobe, Paul, yeah I can roll with that.
So I thought the Angels' TV deal ended in 2015?
They have a new deal with Fox, $3 billion over 20 years.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
so the floor for the dodgers has gotta be 150mil right?
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It will be fun to be the next Dodger GM
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Next winter meetings will be ours.
Big TV deal, (please God a new GM), Josh Hamilton, and Matt Cain, please.
KEMvP
"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."
so if the new owner kept payrol at 110 million
they would “pocket” 2 billion pretaxes
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2nd paragraph of the article
With a combination of shrewd business sense and fantastic timing, Angels owner Arte Moreno parlayed an escape clause in his television contract into the billions that enabled his team to sign Pujols and C.J. Wilson on Thursday, for almost twice what Moreno paid to buy the team.
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BH – this is why the media does not pick on him.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
David Stern would have ordered Pujols to play for the Pirates
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Gotta keep those small-market teams competitive.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Moreno last year opted out of a 10-year, $500-million contract with Fox, according to sports media consultant and former NBA TV President Ed Desser.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
what is the angels payrol slated to be next year with pujols and wilson in tow?
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If they don’t make any other moves but say they dump Kendrys, it should be like $165 million, maybe $170m.
Haven’t seen the breakdown of the Pujols deal yet.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
thanks
I’m guessing that goes down to 130to140 next year
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hunter an abreu
thats about 30 million there. Though they might have to spend money to add another OF depending on Trout and trumbo’s development.
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Right now
12 players under contract:
Vernon Wells $21,000,000
Torii Hunter $18,000,000
Dan Haren $12,750,000
Jered Weaver $14,000,000
C.J. WIlson $12,500,000
Ervin Santana $11,200,000
Bobby Abreu $9,000,000
Scott Downs $5,000,000
Hisanori Takahashi $4,200,000
Maicer Izturis $3,800,000
Chris Iannetta $3,550,000
LaTroy Hawkins $3,000,000
Total: $118 million
Plus $2.5 million buyout to Scott Kazmir = $120.5 million
Plus Pujols…let’s say $25m = $145.5 million.
And arb raises for:
Kendrick ($3.3 million last year)
Aybar ($3m)
Callaspo ($2m)
Jerome Williams (chump change last year)
That’s 17 players for ~$157-160m or so, plus they have a decision to make on Kendrys Morales (arb eligible, made $2.975m last year)
Round out the roster with 8 players near $500k and you are at $160-165m.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
TV money not my deal but that would kind of be the floor for the next Dodger TV contract would it not?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
But we have a 45 day window to negotiate right now? Is that just with Fox or is it open to everyone?
45 days with Fox, starting on November 30. After that, open season.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
It sounds like they don't have a snowballs chance in hell
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So is the expectation they will sign with Fox for something close to the Angel deal and thus get a huge TV upgrade and escape litigation?
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
This sort of forces Fox to make their best possible offer to the Dodgers, and possibly overpay, just to keep them.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
With that context these Ned contracts are very trying
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
right… if the money is coming sooner than later no matter what why not spend?
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I am really trying to wrap my mind around this. So theoretically the Dodgers could come to an agreement for something similar, $3B over 20 years, or not and then auction off the rights for more potentially. But possibly endure a lawsuit.
Shaikin estimated the O/U for a Dodger contract over 20 years would be $4 billion. Jives with Jon Weisman’s article yesterday.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
That's why they call it money
It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
Fox has also asked for a 14-day stay. I don’t know whether, if that’s granted, it would also delay this clause for 14 days and so give them until Jan. 28, or if that’s just to give them time to appeal but otherwise sticks to the original 45-day schedule beginning Nov. 30.
One of the lawyers (for Dodgers, I thin k) has suggested that during this period they could also continue negotiations with Fox under arbitration to try to reach a mutual agreement.
I’d like to see a breakdown of the Angels deal. At the time the Dodgers were saying $3 billion for 20 years, it was reported by LAT and (I believe) Sports Business Journal as actually being $1.6 or $1.7 billion over 13 years.
And even if it is the same, I still think Selig was right to nix that deal since the Dodgers should be able to get a better deal, as they likely will now.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
With the TV rights auction getting accelerated
Seems like a new tv contract could potentially be signed by sometime next year. Bidders should tell Frank to open the wallet now and sign a Prince.
Here's the part I don't understand
Dodgers owner Frank McCourt has agreed to sell the team by April 30. He and his advisors argued the Dodgers would command a higher sale price if the TV rights could be sold now and bidders would know exactly how many billions a new TV contract would be worth.
The bidder would not be obligated to proceed with that contract.
If they aren’t obligated to proceed with the new contract, what is the point? Or is this just the right to negotiate a deal that the new owner has to approve?
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Its like Frank is removing the upside of the deal from the bidders. Instead of the owners saying your current tv deal is X and we think it could be Y, this is how much we value the team for (but if they are able to negotiate a tv deal that is much higher than what is expected today that would be a huge upside for the bidders).
Frank is removing the opportunity for the upside by saying here is the negotiated tv deal, now I know exactly what the team is worth, no low-ball offers please.
That makes sense intuitively; I’m just wondering how logistically that would work.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
When the prospective owners are putting together their business plans and proformas to take to investors, they are plugging in a number for the TV rights over the next 20 years. They probably have a couple scenarios, where they have a lower base-case model, and then a higher “if all goes well” model. They would bid off the base-case and hope for the upside. Frank is essentially trying to remove the uncertainty and get paid for the upside.
by BFDC on Dec 9, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Frank really needs to write a book about all this
“How I turned a parking lot into an iconic MLB Franchise, over $100mm in houses, $200mm in cash (after paying off my whore wife) and I got a new parking lot”
Russ Granik and the NBA got skewered just now on ESPN
Outside the Lines, Chris Broussard and Adande went for the jugular. ’Twas great.
Granik was backpedaling faster than Darrell Green. I think Broussard said he was actually “disgusted with the NBA”.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Should the Lakers Trade for Granik?
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by underdog on Dec 9, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
So, can someone sign Arenas for like $1 ?
Or do they have to at least pay vet’s minimum?
I wonder if he'd take $1 a day
for the next million days.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Sad that Brandon Roy is being forced to retire for medical reasons
Read somewhere that he and Oden played a grand total of 78 games together: they went 50-28 in those contests. Oh, what might have been…
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Man, what is life like as a Blazers fan?? You pass on Jordan for Bowie, many years later you pass on Durant for Oden….
I would say that should put the Chris Paul thing in perspective, but I fear you wouldn’t be able to see the perspective.
All it shows me is bad management makes bad teams, not being in a small market. Though in this case, maybe more bad luck?
Not only that
didn’t Portland already have Clyde Drexler when the draft came that year? No need for Jordan when you’ve already got a great SG…plus, decent C’s are much more rare.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
even the Bulls mgmt from the era admitted
they never thought Jordan was going to be an all-time great or anything.
However, it is a great argument for the Best Player Available strategy. Read: MAGIC JOHNSON.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Sure
If you determine that a player is elite and you have the chance to take him, you take him, West did that with Kobe when trading for him even though they had Eddie Jones. In basketball, one player can have such a profound effect.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
I've always been torn in with respect to that strategy
To me, it’s common sense to draft in order to address your weaknesses: you get exactly what you want, and if things don’t work out, you’re right back to where you were when you started. On the other hand, I also get drafting the BPA and flipping them to a team that both has that need and can address your weakness simultaneously. Tough decision…
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
I’ll never forget Sam Bowie’s funny looking face when hugging Nick Van Exel after Van Exel hit that game winning 3 in Boston,….
I loved Sam Bowie on the Lakers. Great passer.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
I know it's said a lot
but I’ll reiterate: those early 90s Lakers were so much fun to watch.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
That was like when Bill Walton won NBA MVP in 1978 despite playing just 58 games. That was the year after they won the title and they were 35-6 at the halfway point that year, and 50-10. I don’t know off hand what their record with Walton was but I bet it was awesome.
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
WGT
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Cla Meredith knows why.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
by Nolij on Dec 9, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Jared Allen strikes again
“I don’t like going to Detroit,” Allen told MLive.com. “I’ll be honest. It’s gloomy, it sucks. Everything is brown, and then there is snow on the ground. There’s like brownstones everywhere, and I’m like, ‘Awesome.’ I don’t know, I couldn’t do it. If I had to live in Detroit, I think I’d just drown myself in the river that was across the way.”
Detroit has contributed much more to the world than the Twin Cities
And I have no problem with Minneapolis. Stupid.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Marlins supposedly putting feelers out on trading Hanley.
I know it will never happen, but what if the Dodgers traded for Hanley and, so, traded away Gordon. Would you folk be OK with that?
Only if it was Gordon plus someone without a real high ceiling
Hanley = Manny without the consistent hitting and the smile
He’ll be expensive, inconsistent, and a headcase. Plus his teammates won’t be able to stand him after awhile. Yes, when he’s right, he’s a great hitter for SS or 3B. But he isn’t right a lot of the time.
by The Dude Abides on Dec 9, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
I just don’t think we match up very well with Miami. Why would they want Dee, they just signed Reyes.
Word is we can send Gordon to Houston. Miami would get Luis Scola
by Eric Stephen on Dec 9, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
blocked for baseball reasons
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Dodgers don’t have enough to offer without him, unless there were a three-way deal. It would be hilarious if they worked out something where, say, Wandy Rodriguez went to Miami from Houston though.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Not to confuse anyone
The Dodgers will still get paid the same $40M by Fox for 2012 and 2013 regardless of any new deal that they make, thus any deals with some one other than Fox would not increase their revenue. The issue with the Fox deal that McCourt had last year was that he was going to get an upfront payment that would lessen the value of the media contract in future years.
It appears that when the Angels got to make now 2 deals with Fox (the Dodgers have not made any deals with Fox since probably their very first one in the late 90s, they got current market value.
Not to belabor this but Fox set up any potential owner of the Dodgers in 2004 with this media rights lock up, no RSN possibility and rights locked in for 10 years. They also had no need to ever open up negotiations with the Dodgers since their rights fees were certain undervalued.
Ok, I am confused now. If any new deal will not increase revenue, then why open themselves up to litigation? Is it just a tactic to nail down the worth of the franchise and extract the most money in the bidding process?
Yes
to the second. Its mostly a valuation issue. The litigation is non-issue since Fox has no argument for damages on closing Prime Ticket since that would be their business decision (and really, one could argue that without the Lakers, they were going to have to change their situation anyway)
There’s apparently a Three Stooges movie coming out soon. Oh, goodie.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I refused to watch.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
I might go
I have Sofia Vergara Fever.
"Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors." -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
I finally watched it, I can see why everyone hates it
though I admit to chuckling once or twice and the cast they got for the Stooges look like they nail it well. OTOH I’ve never found the Stooges themselves very funny and the movie looks pretty pointless.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
My movie dilemma
(I really want to see a movie tonight)
1. Drive 45 minutes to see “Take Shelter” (not playing near me)
2. Stay home and watch “Black Swan” or “Let the Right One In”
Thoughts?
duh
the remake changed the title, OK. Haven’t seen Take Shelter yet, but LTROI is fantastic, Black Swan less so but still quite good.
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
Take Shelter is supposed to be really interesting i've heard, Shannon's great, but dark/bleak...
so if you want dark/bleak you can get that at home and watch the other two!
(Which are great. Well Let the Right One In is great; Black Swan I liked but it’s not for all tastes, is pretty crazy. Like 70s Italian Horror basically.)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Let Me In was good
haven’t seen the original(bite me).
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
It made me laugh a few times
Much better than the preview for that biopic of Thatcher with Meryl Streep. Let’s glorify more slimy people!
"I'm telling you, y'all created a monster."
That made me laugh even more! Doesn't intend for laughs, however.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Wish he was still writing for the Washington Post
The NBA, from the commissioner’s office to a great many of its owners, is so envious of the NFL that it wants the same kind of parity. It wants its small markets to matter in the same way. But the fact is, the NBA’s popularity, its very brand, was successfully built, yes, on the participation of a lot of teams but on the brilliance of a few, notably the Lakers and Celtics. Parity might have been a worthy goal for Pete Rozelle and the NFL, but it has never amounted to a hill of beans for the NBA. Neither has some socialist-style spreading of wealth.
Make no mistake (and somebody ought to stand up in a room and shout this in the faces of the shortsighted owners who whined over this deal): It’s the Lakers and Celtics and the ability of their top executives to make deals decade after decade that not only have kept those franchises at the top of the pyramid but also allowed the NBA to matter as much as it has.
rule 5 draft AAA phase
the dodgers lost this guy to the royals: Thomas Melgarejo but im sure that wasnt his name.
Thinkblue522 in MLBTradeRumors.com
Jon_Heyman
#dbacks making progress on trevor cahill talks. 1st reported by @Gambo620
Doubtful they’d give up Bauer, Skaggs or Parker, right?
isnt he the dude who doesnt strike anyone out?
by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 9, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
it is dealing from a position of strength, but i guess if they were to deal him they could get a better starter
Can’t tell if you think Brandon Allen is still on the D’Backs,
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
Ken_Rosenthal
Sources: #Dbacks close on Cahill. RHP Jarrod Parker, OF Collin Cowgill in play for #Athletics. Could be others coming from A’s. #MLB
Nick Piecoro also said Parker was possible, but then Bob Nightengale said this:
The #Dbacks plan on Parker being their 5th starter so he is NOT in potential deal
Kennedy, Hudson, Cahill, Collmenter. Saunders not offered arb, right? With that top-four, I don’t see a reason they couldn’t try to hide either a different young guy and/or Eveland-type in the five spot.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
It's not like Cahill is bad
But trading Parker is dumb IMO. He’s a stud.
TBLA 2011 Postseason Prediction Champion
Hard to figure
He had an awesome 2010 (ERA+ 138) in between two less than great years (2009 ERA+ 96 and 2011 ERA+ 97). Last year his walks jumped to 82 in 207 innings (at age 23). Maybe the AL version of Bills?
Cowgill is a Billy Beane guy
Id say he’s for sure a part of it
by Lex in Brooklyn on Dec 9, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
2010 he got ridiculously lucky 2009 and 2011 are much closer to his true talent level.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
James Loney was not involved
Eight Ferraris and a Lamborghini were part of a 14-car crash in Japan yesterday that wrecked more than a million dollars worth of vehicles.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Their wings come in sizes labeled Lil’ Wang, Big Wang, and Super Wang.
And for an appetizer they have The Big Wang Sampla Plattahh!!
If the owner isn’t actually named Wang this is terrible.
Minor League Central @mlcentral @andrewngrant
You just don't want to be caught sucking on a super wang
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Via Chris Broussard/ESPN (via Twitter)
The NBPA has informed the NBA that they need to find a suitable trade for Chris Paul by Monday, according to sources.
If a deal is not reached, the union will pursue other options including litigation.
On Thursday, the Lakers agreed to acquire Paul in exchange for Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom. Houston would acquire for Gasol while sending Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, Goran Dragic and a first round pick. The Hornets would receive Odom, along with Martin, Scola, Dragic and the first round pick.But the NBA killed the deal later in the evening.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217257/Union_Gives_NBA_Monday_Deadline_To_Trade_Paul
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by hee came hee seop'd he choi'd on Dec 9, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
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It's not what you look like, when you're doin' what you're doin'
It's what you're doin' when you're doin' what you look like you're doin'!
haha because im done counting on this guy doing anything for me in FFL this season and am prepared to move forward without him. Plus he doesnt have Schaub anymore anyways so his upside is limited even when he can play. I will never draft him again though. I dont know whats going on but NFL seems to be getting soft…. players are out forever now. McFadden, Ford and Moore out again this week, wtf??? Raiders are going to get destroyed by 20 plus.
Whatever happened to the days of wrapping things up or chopping fingers off to play? Please come back.
AJ DID have part of his hammy chopped off so he could come back faster
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
well thats cool… im over reacting… If he can play I will use him ofcourse…. this is my final week of reg season and have playoff spot clinched so hopefully next week he returns.
dude had 97 yards in 1 half
with a rookie qb throwing to him. Your loss.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
David Stern was counterproductive. That’s a kind of productive.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Did you read Simmons’ article about last night’s fiasco? I hate the guy, but every now and then, he nails it.
Bill Simmons is a talented writer with a great basketball mind. Unfortunately, he does not always write about the NBA.
"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."
Even then, he gets grating.
1) Proposes lop-sided trade
2) Asks emphatically, “Why hasn’t this happened yet?”
3) Concludes with, “I should be an NBA GM”
by Michael White on Dec 9, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
I used to love him when he started out on Page 2. I even bought his first book AND went down to that one Boston bar in Santa Monica to have him sign it.
I appreciate what he’s done for sports blogging, but the rampant Laker-hate while living in LA finally got to me.
http://www.truebluela.com/2011/12/9/2624266/christmas-duck-has-been-edition
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
Not sure if I’ll make it tonight. Had a flat, got that pumped up, went to start the car, dead battery. Waiting on AAA, see what happens.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
what are the possibilities of the Dodgers getting Morales from the Angels?
if he gets non-tendered that is.
"Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic. "
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