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2011 Dodgers Player Profile: Ronald Belisario, King Of The Restricted List

It seems like Ronald Belisario won't be wearing those Brooklyn throwback jerseys this season (Photo: Jon SooHoo / LA Dodgers)

After two consecutive seasons of reporting late to spring training because of visa problems, Ronald Belisario has made it a hat trick in 2011 by failing to report on the first day of camp on Wednesday. Last season, Belisario was so late -- 35 days late, to be exact -- that he was placed on the restricted list to begin the season. This year, Belisario would be lucky if that was his fate.

Belisario was placed on the restricted last July for what were termed "personal reasons" at the time by the Dodgers. Dylan Hernandez and Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times reported a few days later that Belisario was undergoing substance abuse treatment, which was also mentioned by Ken Gurnick of MLB.com in his spring training preview. Whatever the reason for Belisario's absence, the latest check mark on an already full dance card for the reliever, it appears that reason has struck again for the reliever, as he is still stuck in Venezuela, and doesn't figure to return anytime soon. From Tony Jackson of ESPN LA:

"I'm just not very optimistic," said Paul Kinzer, Belisario's Atlanta-based agent. "He just has a lot of things he needs to get straightened out. Right now, I'm not optimistic for him [returning] for the whole season."

If Belisario does somehow show up to pitch for the Dodgers this season, just what can we expect on the mound? This shouldn't come as a surprise, but Belisario is somewhere in between the pitcher with the 2.04 ERA in 2009 and the one with the 5.04 ERA in 2010. What does look like an outlier is Belisario's strikeout rate from 2009, which was much higher than the rest of his career as a reliever.

Ronald Belisario Strikeout Rates
Year Lg Batters Faced Strikeouts K%
2007 A+/AA 267 40 14.98%
2008 AA 254 36 14.17%
2009 MLB 299 64 21.40%
2010    MLB 233 38 16.31%

Belisario pitched very well in the Venezuelan Winter League this offseason. He was the closer for Bravos de Margarita, and picked up 14 saves and a 1.00 ERA in 18 innings, walking four while striking out 15.

Trivia

If the picture in last year's Dodgers media guide is representative (and not just a one-time occurrence), Belisario bowls left-handed.

Contract Status

Belisario is still under team control this season, with one year, 133 days of service time. He could have had a shot at being arbitration eligible next winter as a "super two," provided he was among the top 17% of those with between two and three years service time, but that now seems highly unlikely. The service time cutoff for super twos this season was two years, 122 days, which was the lowest number in five years.

Belisario is also out of options, so the Dodgers can't send him to the minors without exposing him to waivers. Once Belisario is 10 days late, on February 26, they can place him on the restricted list, which would remove him from the 40-man roster.

Stats

Year Age IP BB/9 K/9 ERA FIP x-FIP tERA ERA+
2008 (AA)
25 57.0 3.95 5.68 4.74
2009
26 70.2 3.69 8.15 2.04 3.51 3.80 3.48 197
2010 27 55.1 3.09 6.18 5.04 4.31 3.81 4.36 76
2011 Projections - Age 28 Season



Year
IP BB/9 K/9 ERA FIP


Bill James
57.0 3.79 6.79 4.11 4.19


Marcel
60.0 3.30 7.20 3.75 4.03


Baseball HQ
65.0 3.46 6.51 3.88


ZiPS
62.2 3.73 6.89 4.16


2011 Outlook

I hear Venezuela is beautiful in the summer.

UPDATE: The Belisario situation took another turn, according to Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times:

Ronald Belisario told a Venezuelan newspaper that he lost his passport and that he should be able to report to to camp soon after obtaining a new one.

But that's news to Belisario’s agent, Paul Kinzer, who said on Wednesday that his client will probably miss the entire season because of his inability to gain legal entry into the United States.

"That would be news to me," Kinzer said. "I hope that's true."

Belisario then put on a pair of Bad Idea Jeans:

He said he hasn't called the Dodgers because he will resolve the situation on his own.

Pick up the phone, Ronald. C'mon.

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Is it typical that a person cannot acquire a visa for a DUI?

Or is it more likely that something else happened that has been kept secret?

by BFDC on Feb 17, 2011 8:09 AM PST reply actions  

It’s almost certainly something else. He already got a visa last year with his DUI arrest. He plead guilty to a lesser charge.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

OT: But holy crap it's squalling like crazy here in SF

/builds ark

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Feb 17, 2011 8:14 AM PST reply actions  

Partly cloudy 59 degrees. Los Angeles.

by Grimjack on Feb 17, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Cloudy, windy, 61 Degrees. Nashville. FML

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Summer came early.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s supposed to get to 71 around 3

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Also: Who's Ronald Belisario? Was he some sort of pitcher for us at one time?

/short memory
/moves on

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Feb 17, 2011 8:14 AM PST reply actions  

Venezuela

is not half as beautiful as Puerto Vallarta, according to my girlfriend…and let’s just say I’m skeptical of her viewpoint.

In any case, Belisario’s latest visa problem poses yet another bullpen conundrum for D2x to ponder in ST. I saw in the last post someone had the idea of using Mahay as the LOOGY and giving Elbert Ronald’s spot…I kinda like that. In that situation, the pen would be:

Broxton
Kuo
Padilla
Guerrier
Hawksworth
Elbert
Mahay

Not a bad mix of lefties and righties, and quite a few pitchers that could serve multiple roles as short/long relief or swingmen.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 8:15 AM PST reply actions  

And if Hawk fails to impress in ST

you can always replace him with Jansen or Troncoso and be no worse off.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 8:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Are they allowed to if it is just a work visa for a specified time?

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Excellent questions, both. I think Phil has it right, but I’m not sure.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

last i checked, nobody really leaves when their VISA expires. There would be 2 million less people in this city.

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Most of those people aren't "public figure"s

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

What makes a better impression – smiling or not smiling in a mugshot? Miguel looks like he was in a good mood during that shot, but then again he was probably still drunk.

EJR

by EJ Rankin on Feb 17, 2011 8:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Crazy sells

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I knew that was going to pop up.

EJR

by EJ Rankin on Feb 17, 2011 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Heather Locklear wasn’t a looker either.

EJR

by EJ Rankin on Feb 17, 2011 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Yasmine Bleeth might have the worst ugly to normal look ratio in history

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Ouch! I’m going to erase that from my memory.

EJR

by EJ Rankin on Feb 17, 2011 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

So, will MLB hand down any kind of “punishment”

I will toss you in slow-rec softball

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 17, 2011 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

don't they

usually leave that up to the team to decide?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Why is he wearing scrubs?

Then again, the better question is WHY THE HELL IS THIS DIP DRIVING DRUNK AGAIN? But I’m still confused by the scrubs.

by Nolij on Feb 17, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

i wanna know

what is up with the “I’ll fucking kill him” comment.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

he prolly threw up on his ed hardy shirt

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Blake Griffin hitting his head on the backboard

Something else happened after the game, Daily news was reporting that he was sobbing in the clubhouse after receiving some kind of personal news.

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 8:22 AM PST reply actions  

Because this guy, a close friend from Oklahoma, died.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Damn

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I live in Oklahoma. That was big news.

EJR

by EJ Rankin on Feb 17, 2011 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I seem to recall him doing that in the NCAA tourney also. Clearly, he has a problem. The solution is to stop jumping.

by Nolij on Feb 17, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

In basketball history I wonder if any team has ever beaten another team by 50 points and then lost to them the next game. The fact the games were played within a month is even more amazing. Even more crazy, a team who had a 26 game losing streak beats both LA teams within a week first by breaking the losing streak and then beating the two time defending champs.

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 8:30 AM PST reply actions  

i swear

i saw that stat either here or at Silver screen and roll. I think it’s happened like 6 times or so.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

4 times in the last 40 years

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Shocking

all road loss, home wins?

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Sheff

calls it quits

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 8:31 AM PST reply actions  

Is it blasphemy to suggest

he might have been a better fit in LF than Thames?

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes

he’s 42 and missed all of 2010, I’d so no one ever missed a full season at 41 and was worth a contract at age 42 who was not a pitcher

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

not in my mind

but yeah, his D was beyond awful in RF for the Mets.

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

The player is always the last to know.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I was going to say

his bat quite five years ago but then the stats told me I was full of shit.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Reports-Jose-Bautista-set-to-strike-it-rich-aft?urn=mlb-322552

He may replace Dick Allen as the greatest angry black ballplayer to not be in the HOF.

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I wonder what Jermaine Dye is up to. I bet he kicks ass at slow pitch softball.

EJR

by EJ Rankin on Feb 17, 2011 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

better than Eric Byrnes at it!

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 8:42 AM PST up reply actions  

but does he have his own softball bat line like you know who?

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

WOW The Mets paid him 14M as a free agent for his 40yo season?

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Dirty Madoof money

The Mets kept getting paid because of the friendship at the expense of his other clients.

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions  

The Mets paid him $400,000; the Tigers ate $13.6 million.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Double WOW

Almost Andruw Jones levels

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 8:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Did Sheffield exit any of his MLB cities on good terms? I don’t think he did.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Detroit has handed out

some pretty crummy contracts in recent years…D-Will, Maggs, Bonderman.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

What was wrong with the Maggs contract?

by Michael White on Feb 17, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Nothing, I guess

But his injuries had some people groaning for payroll relief.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Damn you Cabrera!

Missing 16 games in 3 years. Bastard!

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

thought he meant

Ordonez?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I am an idiot!

I haven’t had my Dr. Pepper this morning :)

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

see what happens?

withdrawls

Dr. P is a hell of a drug.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

He did

Eric has Miggy on the mind

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

cool band name

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Please welcome to the stage, Miggy On the Mind!

Playing their smash single “Double DUI” featuring Donnie “Two Times” Mattingly!

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

i appreciated the use of the word "smash"ed when refering to Double DUI.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

The pun was unintended

but thanks for giving me undue credit. :-)

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Oops, 17 games. I forgot about that game 163

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I think people were more complaining that his option might have vested agan for next season.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

They were just lucky

idiot Jose Gonzalez never thought they would start PED testing

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Or Juan

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Old news?

Jose Bautista with a five year extension

Cross him off your 2012 FA list

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 8:35 AM PST reply actions  

To be fair, he was never on my 2012 list :)

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Part of me really wants him to go back to business as usual

just so his 2011 year can be studied for decades.

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Like the way people pick apart Beltre’s 2004 season?

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 8:42 AM PST up reply actions  

More like Brady Anderson’s 1996

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 8:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I remember that season vividly, but I can say I was too young to be confused how he managed to put up 50+ homers and then suck for so long after.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

but he never really sucked

he simply wasn’t a home run hitter.

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

That's what I meant

My words are all jumbled this morning…not calling in sick was a mistake on my behalf.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Beltre’s 2010 season helped move that season down the fluke list.

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Plus

if he does not continue to mash this might be the flukiest season since PED testing was instituted. No Brett Boone stuff going on here. Or Pujols shared his chemist with him:)

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Phil, you don't think Pulhos takes PED's do you?

For some reason I want to believe he’s naturally that amazing….especially with the stringent testing policies now.

"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"

by VeroJoe on Feb 17, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

This makes me sad

Day to day, kickin' all the way, I'm not cavin' in. Let another round begin...live to win. YEAH! LIVE! YEAH! WIN!

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

To be fair I think everyone except Jim Thome does.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

JIM JAM MASHES SOME TATERS ALRIGHT

Day to day, kickin' all the way, I'm not cavin' in. Let another round begin...live to win. YEAH! LIVE! YEAH! WIN!

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Come to think of it, there doesn't seem to be all that many players

getting popped with a positive test nowadays…..I find it wierd because you’d figure plenty of guys would come up positive for PED’s or recreational drugs like Pot. I haven’t seen too many 50 game suspensions since Manny’s.

What do you think the situation is?

"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"

by VeroJoe on Feb 17, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

MLB doesn’t test for recreational drugs, the Brewers had to put one of their prospects on the 40 man because he was facing a life time ban if he got caught again.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

wow these are all things I didn't know, thanks for the heads up Reg

"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"

by VeroJoe on Feb 17, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

That was wrong. They do, just not pot.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s why Timmah is still around, or there would have been bigger repercussions for his pot bust a while ago.

Day to day, kickin' all the way, I'm not cavin' in. Let another round begin...live to win. YEAH! LIVE! YEAH! WIN!

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Also it explains the existence of Jeff Weaver and Joe Beimel.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

because pot is not a performance enhancer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLTYwDTxxCw

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

We have a big enough sample size of historical player career trends to know an outlier whe we see it. Stepping into the big leagues at age 21 and proceeding to hit 37 home runs and average 40 over your first 10 years simply doesn’t happen.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

unless you’re some sort of statistical anomaly?

Day to day, kickin' all the way, I'm not cavin' in. Let another round begin...live to win. YEAH! LIVE! YEAH! WIN!

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

but but but....

he’s a machine?

"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"

by VeroJoe on Feb 17, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

knew this was coming at some point.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Performance Enhancing (hot) Dogs

Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.

by iiidown on Feb 17, 2011 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought he had a bratwurst addiction as well as the bottle.

by Grimjack on Feb 17, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Blasphemy!

"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"

by VeroJoe on Feb 17, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

What’s sick is his numbers still own everyone even when he played in the cavernous ballparks of old. Then you see modern players complaining because Target and Citi Field aren’t hitter friendly, ha!

by DodgersKings323 on Feb 19, 2011 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Eric is saying that everyone wants to believe he is doing it without PEDs

I will toss you in slow-rec softball

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 17, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Whew…

I posted that, read through the rest of the debate, and then I began to wonder if that is what you said.

I will toss you in slow-rec softball

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 17, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

How is he pulling it off without ever getting popped?

If he definitely is using PED’s then I would think he’ll end up having an abrupt end to his production at some time near age 35 or 36.

"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"

by VeroJoe on Feb 17, 2011 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

His doctor is smarter than the MLBs doctors. Steroid testing in general is a huge joke.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

This seems tremendously cynical to me.

Day to day, kickin' all the way, I'm not cavin' in. Let another round begin...live to win. YEAH! LIVE! YEAH! WIN!

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

It is, but if you were an athlete and you knew you wouldn’t get caught, why wouldn’t you?

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Integrity?

I have fairly rigid ethical values and when I flout them, I feel absolutely terrible, so that’s part of the reason I don’t think I would do it. I don’t like taking adderall for that reason, even though that’s pretty much an academic PED.

Day to day, kickin' all the way, I'm not cavin' in. Let another round begin...live to win. YEAH! LIVE! YEAH! WIN!

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I do to but we’re talking about millions of dollars at stake.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

And having to get a real job…

by DodgersKings323 on Feb 19, 2011 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think I could take them, but (using him as an unfair example) when the difference is minor league deal Jose Bautista and $65million Jose Bautista, I’d think long and hard about it.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Bautista is yet to be seen. As far as I can tell, the guy changed his swing and started to only swing for the fences.

I will toss you in slow-rec softball

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 17, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

just meant that if the difference between steroids and no steroids is several millions of dollars, it’d be difficult for me not to try them.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

sure

I will toss you in slow-rec softball

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 17, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the argument feels cut and dry, but is really slippery when you start wondering what is and isn’t a PED

The science is not stopping, what is today’s PED could be tomorrows nutritional supplement and vice versa

What if we start genetically modifying mood to give higher nutrition that results in athletic gains other generations could not enjoy?

What about things like making eyesight better than 20/20, or doing surgery on things not injured in order to reconstruct the body in a way that performs better

We seem to object to PEDs because we believe that they are magic pills where results happen without work…I don’t think that is reality, but that seems to be the struggle

I don’t see this close to being black and white

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

genetically modifying FOOD

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I was going to say
What if we start genetically modifying mood to give higher nutrition that results in athletic gains other generations could not enjoy?

I think they have that already, and they call it “marijuana”

Day to day, kickin' all the way, I'm not cavin' in. Let another round begin...live to win. YEAH! LIVE! YEAH! WIN!

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Players are always looking for an edge

I never considered taking steroids when I played but a lot of the players I played with did.

"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"

by VeroJoe on Feb 17, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Really though Reg?

I’m not trying to be argumentative buddy, but with all the hoopla about congress getting involved….Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, McGwire, Mitchell Report…….didn’t they legitimately tighten up the testing policies or are we going to start a whole other steriod era?

HGH can’t be detected can it? If not maybe everyone is just doing that……but if that’s the case then why aren’t there any more 55+ HR seasons post 2005?

"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"

by VeroJoe on Feb 17, 2011 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe because the link between PEDs and HR isn’t as strong as we thought?

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

HGH can’t be detected can it? If not maybe everyone is just doing that……but if that’s the case then why aren’t there any more 55+ HR seasons post 2005?

Because the pitchers are taking it too.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

If the pitchers are taking it too, then I demand to know why the hell I could still bench press Lincecum.

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by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Doing steroids then watching the Wizard of Oz set to Dark Side of the Moon doesn’t get you swole.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah but he'd smoke you under the table with some of

Dr. Dre’s Dank Cali Bud

"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"

by VeroJoe on Feb 17, 2011 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

hahaha

/redacted

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by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Not all steroids make you huge. In fact, for athletes like sprinters and (I would think) pitchers, some focus on fast-twitch muscles only. It’s why I was never on the “Shawn Green can’t be on roids, look how skinny he is!” train. I don’t think he did roids, but I don’t think that is evidence for why he didn’t.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

So why would someone like Shawn Green be ok? Cos he was very good but not ZOMG AMAZING?

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by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

he had a normal career path. hit between 11-16HR from age 22-24, 35 at 25, 42 at 26, moved to LA and hit 24, then hit 49, 42, hurt his shoulder and hit 19 but had 49 doubles because his power was gone, and trended back downwards until he was 34. I suppose you could point to the jump from 16 to 35, but he also played in 23 more games that year.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

The police are always chasing the criminals. PED tests are reactionary to whatever new drugs are developed. The process is something like: New drug developed>MLB finds out about new drug>MLB develops test for new drug>MLB tests the test for new drug>MLB has to go through hoops to get new drug on the banned substance list>MLB implements testing of new drug. There could be years between just steps 1 and 2, let alone steps 1 and 6. Until step 6 happens, anyone and everyone could be using the drug to their benefit.

And that doesn’t take into account the idea that even once a new drug is developed, they’re already working on the new drug to replace that one.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I like you're rationalization on that G. Scott

and it makes sense to me.

It really does piss me off when a guy like Pulhos can do what he’s done in his career and eclipse Ruth & Gehrig with 10+ straight seasons of .300/30HR/100RBI…..but it’s all bull shit!

Given that this is the case Eric then I really would like to see Thome get in on the 1st ballot especially if the consensus amongst the writers is that he was clean all along.

Do you remember our 1st ballot Thome debate a couple of weeks back? I thought Pulhos was clean if he’s not then Thome should be in man….he’s the last of the natural country strong big boys who hit the long ball. Dunn is in that mold but I don’t think he’ll ever amass the career stats to warrant an induction.

"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"

by VeroJoe on Feb 17, 2011 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

there is nothing to prove Pujols is not clean

so don’t crucify him just yet.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

THIS

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by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

This is America

he’s innocent until proven guilty. I’m willing to watch what the man does and be astonished, but if it ever comes out that he cheated I won’t be surprised. It’s more being jaded than skeptical at this point.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

You are changing your thought on Pujols because some guy on the internet said he wasn’t?

My only point is that it’s best not to put anyone on a pedestal, because the only way that can end is badly.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I honestly thought Pulhos was clean Eric

but me accepting the likeliness that he’s not is a testament to how highly I value you’re guys opinion

"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"

by VeroJoe on Feb 17, 2011 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Pujols is clean

by MLB testing standards and that is all you can go by. Nothing else, what I said was simply a joke, and didn’t expect to start this firestorm.

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I never said he was, just that testing doesn’t guarantee that he (or anyone else for that matter) isn’t.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Okay

His name is Pujols

I will toss you in slow-rec softball

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 17, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it's crazy that

he has appx. 58 career HR and 52 of them came in 2010….according to ESPN’s scroll bar this morning. Maybe I read it wrong but I’m pretty sure that’s what it said.

"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"

by VeroJoe on Feb 17, 2011 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Nope, 113 total, 54 last year

I will toss you in slow-rec softball

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 17, 2011 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Right

59 before 2010, 54 in 2010.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

He had 10 in September in 2009 so it’s probably closer to 88.

I remember when Bautista was a prospect they talked about his power so it didn’t just come from nowhere. The man completely changed his approach by doing everything columnists hate (stopped going the other way, swinging for the fences every time) and it paid off.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

IF he does it again next year, this will be a great deal. Big IF

I will toss you in slow-rec softball

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 17, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Amazing

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dodgers/2011/02/ronald-belisario-i-lost-my-passport.html

Ronald Belisario told a Venezuelan newspaper that he lost his passport and that he should be able to report to to camp soon after obtaining a new one.

But that’s news to Belisario’s agent, Paul Kinzer, who said on Wednesday that his client will probably miss the entire season because of his inability to gain legal entry into the United States.

“That would be news to me,” Kinzer said. “I hope that’s true.”

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 8:44 AM PST reply actions  

Kinzer, again this year, might want to check with his client before responding to press inquiries.

by Michael White on Feb 17, 2011 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Only thing I can assume is that Kinzer made several unsuccessful attempts to contact Belisario.

After all, Belisario is the person who did this, per Hernandez:

[Belisario] said he hasn’t called the Dodgers because he will resolve the situation on his own.

Kinzer knows his client is a dumbass.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

amen

we all run out of dumbass patience, seems like Kinzer hit his limit

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I doubt Kinzer is so annoyed that he won’t cash his commision check (assuming he gets one) this year.

And it wouldn’t kill him to say, “no comment.”

by Michael White on Feb 17, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

that he should have said either “No comment” or “I haven’t heard from Belisario in weeks” and left it at that.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

sure

but we are all human and pissed off people who don’t get their phone call returned sometimes say angry pessimistic things

I know I do – I also do a little irritated shrug with my open palms out to my side and my elbows folded in, looks like a cartoon Italian gesture

I even sometimes later regret saying them

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

If there has been one point that has been reiterated a bunch over the past few days, it has been that HJ is Italian.

Got any awesome recipes I could borrow/steal? :)

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by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

likely

what do you like to cook? How hard do you want to work? How much time do you like to spend in the kitchen?
  
I guess what I am am saying is that I can tell you how to combine things you might already have in the pantry/fridge, or we can talk about how to make the shit that usually makes up the pantry and then work from there.

Put another way, do you want to buy your things like bread, sausage, pasta, tomato sauce, and soft cheeses – or do you want to start by making those?
  
BH is also a very talented cook and well versed in a wide variety of techniques, even affiliated with a cooking school
 

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

oh mannnn I would like to do all of the above, though the more labor intensive stuff would probably have to wait until I was out of school…like the summer. Or on the weekends when my work load gets back under some semblance of control.

I like too cook anything, I like working hard, and I don’t mind spending lots of time in the kitchen. Barefoot, natch. ;)

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by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

“Once you’ve put your groceries in the car, the quality of your dinner has already been decided.”

Mario Batali

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Normally, I wouldn’t trust the opinion of a man who wears Crocs, but he’s awesome AND he’s besties with Anthony Bourdain, so I’m alright with it.

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by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m not the biggest fan, but I acknowledge his greatness and love the quote. Ingredients first, technique second, execution third. This is one of the reasons why [good] Chinese food is my favorite cuisine. The execution is almost an afterthought (cook fast and hot!).

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

so easy to tell quality of ingredients in italian food – the French seem to want to transform food into something else, the Italians more want to make food taste more like itself

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

But she won’t do dishes.

by Grimjack on Feb 17, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Win.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

This is just goofy

Obviously Kinzer doesn’t have much invested in Belisario.

I think we need a Belisario Reporting Pool

If he did lose his passport, should the Dodgers just tell him to f off. Because that is ridic.

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

The newspaper reported that Belisario “tested positive” in his medical examinations with the U.S. Embassy last year.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

The US Embassy gives drug tests?

I had no idea, you mean you can’t get a visa if you do recreational drugs?

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

news to me

My company is always getting visas for folks from India – not always an easy process

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Ronald has a criminal history.

by Michael White on Feb 17, 2011 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

they were going to keep Amy Winehouse out of the States, so I would think that they don’t like people who like drugs

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by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

But she said, “No, no no.”

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice Eric

"They will never ketchup to all of the energy that I've mustard"

by VeroJoe on Feb 17, 2011 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

positively electric fastball?

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Cybernetic “enhancements.”

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Best line of the offseason
I hear Venezuela is beautiful in the summer.

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 9:01 AM PST reply actions  

Refresh

I added the “I lost my passport” info to the story above.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 9:02 AM PST reply actions  

C.A. Clark at Silver Screen and Roll

Sums up nicely the point I tried to make last night about the Lakers, and flipping the switch:

At this point, I fear that the Lakers will end up with another championship trophy at the end of the season. I fear it, because as much as I’m supposed to root for them, as much as I’m supposed to be a fan of their exploits, I worry about the repercussions of such a victory. What kind of message will be sent about basketball if the Lakers put all this nonsense behind them to make another deep postseason run? Basketball is a sport, and the essence of sport is competition. If the Lakers can treat the regular season with this much disdain and still end up the victors at the end, it will serve notice that basketball’s regular season is nothing more than an 82 game extension of the pre-season. It will be a proclamation that all of these games are not competitions, that they are simply exhibitions. If the Lakers can play like this, on a semi-regular basis, and still be “the best” this league has to offer, how does that make a regular season game any different, or any more important, than a professional wrestling match? Sure, the results remain unscripted, but the results are no more important. The Lakers aren’t shaving points, or throwing games, but in a way, what they are doing is no less threatening to the game.

A competition requires that both (or all) parties in the competition must compete. The Lakers are violating that most basic tenet on a fairly regular basis. And if they go on this season to remain the champions of this league, it will confirm that the regular season has little competition to it. Such a revelation would do significant damage to the game itself. You shouldn’t be able to win a marathon by running the last couple miles better than everybody else because you walked the first 20. It goes against the spirit of competition, and against the purpose of professional sports.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 9:07 AM PST reply actions  

Excellent points

I really enjoy reading the articles the guys at SS&R write…Dex and C.A. are damn talented.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

wellllllll

Allow me to play Devil’s Advocate:

It’s pretty much agreed that the postseason is a crapshoot. The best teams from the regular season SHOULD win, but that doesn’t happen with as much regularity as we’d like (see: Cleveland Cavaliers). If the Lakers are just a good post-season team then that’s just the way it is. Infuriating, but honestly, I think I’d rather have a team that lackadaisically trips its way into the playoffs and then kicks some ass. Otherwise, you become a Cubs fan, and I’m not sure I could take that kind of angst.

As fans of the team, we want them to play well all the time, and what fan doesn’t?

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by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Laker fans win SOOO much that their blogggers are now fearing another champinoship. He fears this for the good of the sport.

Seriously, you’re not ready to cross over to our side yet?

by Michael White on Feb 17, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Hahaha, I can’t just hop into the bed of another franchise just because the fans are arrogant! There’s gotta be a bit of a grace period…otherwise the Clippers will be my basketball rebound (…hmm) and then we’ll all just feel icky about it in a few months.

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by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

use the Thunder as your rebound, then jump on the Clippers.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, but then the Thunder might run away to a homeless shelter in Knoxville and stalk me through their frie — oh wait, I’m confusing basketball with my real life again. My bad.

I would love to be a Clippers fan if only for the trifecta of liking sports and sports teams that piss off Maddz Daddz.

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by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

the trifecta of liking sports and sports teams that piss off Maddz Daddz

trifectas require three parts, college girl.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

awww, you think you know everything about me, and that's cute

Baseball: I’m a Dodgers fan, he’s a Giants fan
Basketball: He’s a diehard Lakers fan, so being a Clippers fan would totally be hilarious
Hockey: I like the Sabres, and my dad thinks hockey is stupid.

How many is that, Mr. Business Degree? Is it three? I think it’s three.

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by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

not what you said

you said the trifecta was liking sports, liking sports teams that piss off Maddz Daddz, and…

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

no

there was an “and” there

two teams and one sport(hockey)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

it’s ok, Tommy, he can’t read, I’m not sure they teach that at CSUDH

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by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

It might be an elective.

by Grimjack on Feb 17, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

trifecta was meant to modify the amount of teams and sports that I like, not the categories of things I like that he doesn’t like. The “liking” wasn’t meant to be applied to each of that categories separately.

But if it makes you feel better, I can just amend it to be “liking sports, liking sports teams, and liking boys (read: any and all) that piss off Maddz Daddz”

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by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

boys (read: any and all) that piss off Maddz Daddz"

can’t wait

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't consider NBA playoffs to be a crapshoot at all

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

but that belief doesn’t extend to other playoffs?

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by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

The better team loses in baseball far more than in any other sport.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

reason number 2016 why baseball is my favorite sport

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly. The Spurs currently have a winning percentage of 83% at the all-star break. The 2001 Mariners had a winning percentage of 71%.

by Michael White on Feb 17, 2011 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the odds are higher in the NBA that the best team wins then in baseball or football.

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

for sure

I was just wondering :)

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by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Home court advantage is huge in NBA

and the playoffs aren’t one and done like the NFL

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Home field advantage

2010-2011 NBA: .602 winning percentage at home
2010 MLB: .559 winning percentage at home
2010 NFL: .559 winning percentage at home

There are 6 NBA teams this season with a losing record at home.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

It might have to do with pitching

In basketball you put pretty much the exact same team on the field every game, in baseball not so much?

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

There’s that, also there’s far more opportunities for lucky bounces in baseball.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Baseball also has a different umpire every game and while the rule book says the strike zone is a constant, we know that to not be the case.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh yes

basketball officiating is notoriously consistent. Consistently bad I mean :-p

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

They have the hardest job out of all the major sports refs, IMO. Not an excuse for poor game calling, mind you, but some potential slack to be cut for them.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Other then roughing the QB in football

nothing seems to rival the deference that referees in basketball give to star players.

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree, but I think calling pass interference has to be up there.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Block/charge in basketball, pass interference and roughing the passer in football, tie goes to the runner in baseball…all extremely difficult to call in the heat of the moment.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I was going to try to work in referee calls as a way to show how there are lucky and unlucky breaks in NBA games as well, but I couldn’t do it without sounding like a snobby lakers fan.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Golf officials have the easiest jobs.

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

QUIET

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

or if you prefer

DON’T SPIT ON THE LAWN

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Very good point.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

It could be argued

that matchups are much more important in basketball than in baseball: fewer players on the field of play = more critical matchups. In the playoffs, a team can ride a couple of hot pitchers/hitters into the WS.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

fewer players is why having 1 superstar can win you a whole bunch of regular season games in basketball and why it’s less reasonable in baseball, especially if said superstar is a pitcher.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Didn’t you tell me last night that if you have a team that is consistent throughout the season but no studs to carry them through the postseason, they’re effectively screwed?

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by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

yep

In basketball, a superstar can get you to the Finals (LeBron 2008?). I was more referring to a mediocre but consistent starting rotation being able to maintain in the MLB regular season but when it’s Jon Garland vs. Roy Halladay in Game 1 and 4, it’s more difficult.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

LeBron? What?

2008 was Lakers/Celtics “Anything is possible”

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by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

type-o, 2007.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

man if Jon Garland was our number 1 starter in the post-season, then you’d know that something went horribly, terribly awry

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by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Or really, really great.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

amen

key part of Maddz post is “post-season”

we get there, I don’t care who is numero uno – hell he could be because Kid K clinched the final regular season game out of the pen and he is the guy who is most rested

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

moreos

if our rotation was guys like Bronson Arroyo, Jon Garland, Livan Hernandez, Brett Myers and Randy Wolf, guys who just eat innings and sit around league average, you may be able to survive the regular season due to consistency, but the playoffs are going to be a bitch.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Also your 5th starter and possibly 4th don’t matter at all in the playoffs.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

right.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

nm, I see Phil and others nailed this one.

by Xeifrank on Feb 17, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

I think that the playoffs in any sport are a completely different animal than the regular season. Clearly I’m alone in this opinion, but I wasn’t aware that I needed groupthink consensus before forming them. :)

I will agree that the baseball and football playoffs are less consistent from regular to post than basketball is.

Day to day, kickin' all the way, I'm not cavin' in. Let another round begin...live to win. YEAH! LIVE! YEAH! WIN!

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

I also think the NBA having days off in between games benefits teams like the Lakers and Celtics who are starting to get old or have played several extended seasons in a row. It gives them time to prepare a new strategy and rest guys. In MLB, playing 7 games in 9 days, the only real strategy is “Starter Number 2, I choose you” and in-game managing.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate the scheduling for basketball playoffs

it takes longer to get through the playoffs then it does the regular season.

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

NBA playoffs: the most important 3 months of the season.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

God I hate the NBA Playoffs. To me it is the easily the worst of the major sports end-of-season formats. Indiana/Atlanta Best of Seven here we come!

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

only if it’s in the ECF and they both beat either Boston or Miami in the first round.

Totally agree with your point though

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I was trying to think of the first round match-up that seems to happen EVERY YEAR. I think Indiana’s right, but I guessed on Atlanta.

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I think NBA playoff suck for all reasons mentioned

But as a business traveler I also must admit that I LOVE them.

It is awesome to have a game on everynight for 3 months, with many of them starting west coast times, so I can watch them late at night in my hotel room

Regular season baseball does much of the same, but some hotels don’t always have the right channels in the room – playoffs are always on

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

nights there is no game on in your room is when you go make friends with the bartender.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Remember rule #1 . . .

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

No profanity?

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

When travelling, don’t go to a bar alone.

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I appears that Kin and I have a natural ken

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I was quoting you!

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

wait

why not

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m guessing Trouble.

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Good advice – I tend to drink much during my travels

But I also have a rule of the road, don’t hang out in the bar alone if you want to stay married. So when we all call it a night, nice to have sports on the TV

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I always end up sitting next to the oldest dude at the bar and seeing what stories they have to tell.

Last Saturday a guy at Seaport village in SD was telling me all about how he travels by train instead of plane because he likes to see the country not just fly over it. Gave me some travel tips for traveling by train and now I’m curious enough to try it once.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

good plan. I like old dudes where ever I find them. For some guys I imagine I am the old dude!

But I travel 120 days a year, and sometimes the old dude isn’t there but relatively good looking and somewhat bored cougar is

I am wary of testing my moral strenght while mixing the lonliness of the road, alcohol, exhaustion, stress, and the nearby access to a bed

But I think you are right, the old dude is almost always the place to go

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Strangely

The old dudes always come to me.

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I had no idea you were a 25 year old skirt.

$

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow your trip to SD was even worse than I thought it could have been.

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

it was not fun

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

In an NBA game that is tied entering the 4th quarter, is there any reason for having watched the first three?

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

If you enjoy watching the game, then yes. Sure. You will have seen plays in the preceeding quarters that may have delighted you

You could say the same for any sport you know…about being tied. The argument is flimsy but it travels

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Sports are all about entertainment value, so yes. If you only read the last act of Hamlet you’d only know how it ends and no clue why everyone is dead. Same in the NBA.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Couldn’t you say the exact same thing about baseball?

by Michael White on Feb 17, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I find that in basketball teams seam to go up

by such large margins, yet it always seems to be tied going into the 4th. Its probably not really true, but it sure as hell feels that way.

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Basketball is a game of runs

Any team can go on 10-0 run in as little as two to three minutes, turning a double-digit lead into something much more manageable. It’s for this reason that the games seem like either team has a genuine chance to win until the final couple of minutes or so.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

They measure basketball games in points, not runs.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Touchè, good sir.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

They do measure basketball in runs, it’s just not the same. :P

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

No, because baseball doesn’t have quarters :)

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

And it’s the only sport where the offense doesn’t have the ball.

Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.

by iiidown on Feb 17, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

clearly you are unfamiliar with Kickball, which I discovered has a HUGE adult following on this blog

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m big but not that big.

by Grimjack on Feb 17, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Don’t think I’ve played kickball since I was 12 years old.

Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.

by iiidown on Feb 17, 2011 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Instead of talking about the NFL going to 18 games they should be talking about the NBA going to 60, it’s the ASB and what’s the point of the rest of the season?

by DodgersKings323 on Feb 19, 2011 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t agree. The point is to win a championship. If you have won enough games to ensure a spot in the post-season tournament then that’s all that matters. If the struggles are a result of tinkering with lineups or working on things that you may or may not do in the post-season, well you’ve earned the right to experiment with that.

Many teams have not earned that right, therefore the regular season is more meaningful to them.

I’m really trying not to overreact to all things Lakers, but it’s hard not to find Clark’s passage somewhat arrogant. Just because things are a certain way for LAL doesn’t mean it’s going to have a profound effect on how fans at large view the games. Regular season games are more meaningful for teams like Utah, Memphis, Portland, NOH and Denver right now than San Antonio and the Lakers. That’s not earth-shattering. The sky is not falling.

by Michael White on Feb 17, 2011 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Even though it’s human nature to do so, taking games/plays off in any sport is always distasteful to fans.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s a rare individual indeed who presses to the limit of their natural abilities every single time. I know plenty of smart and athletically talented people who only “turn it on” and “flip the switch” in periods of great need. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the case here.

K3vo should do a psychological study about the group dynamic behind streaks.

Day to day, kickin' all the way, I'm not cavin' in. Let another round begin...live to win. YEAH! LIVE! YEAH! WIN!

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

even when I want to be great, some days I suck at my job

Some weeks I struggle

and then I break free and kick ass and get a months worth of work done in a 3 day flurry

why should we think them basketball robots?

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Because it’s wholly inconvenient to treat professional athletes like actual human beings with feelings and stuff.

Day to day, kickin' all the way, I'm not cavin' in. Let another round begin...live to win. YEAH! LIVE! YEAH! WIN!

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

It is

we can’t quantify feelings yet.

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, but that’s dumb.

Day to day, kickin' all the way, I'm not cavin' in. Let another round begin...live to win. YEAH! LIVE! YEAH! WIN!

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

How is it dumb?

It is extremely inconvenient to try to judge someone based on their feelings and stuff, because we have no way of knowing what they are. I’m not saying you can’t do it, or shouldn’t try, I’m simply saying its difficult and thus inconvenient.

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Just because we quantify feelings into a nice handy dandy statistic doesn’t mean they can be disregarded entirely.

Day to day, kickin' all the way, I'm not cavin' in. Let another round begin...live to win. YEAH! LIVE! YEAH! WIN!

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m not saying you can’t do it, or shouldn’t try

You seem to be trying to disagree with me on something I don’t disagree with you on. Inconvenient doesn’t mean impossible.

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

yes, that’s me, trying to make up arguments because my life is utterly boring! ;)

I think we just missed each other’s points initially. Oh, the internet!

Day to day, kickin' all the way, I'm not cavin' in. Let another round begin...live to win. YEAH! LIVE! YEAH! WIN!

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I think he’s saying that if you haven’t actually talked to Matt Kemp, don’t talk about Kemps feelings.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

but equally foolish to assume that he doesn’t have feelings

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Which is my point

Day to day, kickin' all the way, I'm not cavin' in. Let another round begin...live to win. YEAH! LIVE! YEAH! WIN!

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I think we’re all agreeing here.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Also sample size – so while the lakers would beat the cavs X times out of 100, with X being significantly higher than 50, X would not be 100

Thus maybe the Lakers ran into one of those games that they lose for whatever reason

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

they lacked intestinal fortitude. I could see it in their eyes. Their body language was poor and their celebrity girlfriends were making everything hard on them. I blame Jamie.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Hahaha.

I think I’m going to make my vulnerability/masculinity post from baseball class link to super fun “mental toughness surprise”

Day to day, kickin' all the way, I'm not cavin' in. Let another round begin...live to win. YEAH! LIVE! YEAH! WIN!

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

last time I lacked intestinal fortitude I wound up in the hospital with dysentery

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

and Ron Artest tweeted about it

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

His twitter is amazing.

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

but how’s his mixtape?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s a really good point, I’ll have to check it out soon.

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

formula

amount of $$ you make=amount of humanity you are percieved as having.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

d'oh (bad math)

it’s an inverse relationship. someone who’s actually good at math write that out in a way that makes sense for me please

/slinks away

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m okay with more money=better than.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

I like when we agree, it’s usually so surprising that it perks me right up.

Day to day, kickin' all the way, I'm not cavin' in. Let another round begin...live to win. YEAH! LIVE! YEAH! WIN!

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

The point is to win a championship. If you have won enough games to ensure a spot in the post-season tournament then that’s all that matters.

Perfectly stated. If you want to increase competition in the regular season, make it 4 teams per conference not 8.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Excellent points as well

Can’t really argue either way, but I admit as a Laker fan I’m biased. All things equal, though, like Maddz said, we as fans want our teams to win all the time, and when the talent is there but the execution is not, dissatisfaction and frustration grow exponentially, especially when the team is “used to success.” I’ve always hated the statement “the Lakers are the Yankees of the NBA,” but it stings due to some elements of truth in it.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m only upset when my team doesn’t “try” or doesn’t play well in the regular season if I attended that game expecting entertainment value for my ticket and I feel like I didn’t receive that. Otherwise, it’s a long season with a whole lot of miles on those legs.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

IMHO, team sports can be boiled down to three main elements: talent, preparation, and execution. Rare is the team that is talented, prepared and executes consistently over the entire season.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

talent and preparation are relative constants in that equation. It’s the execution and opponents that change.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

They are still collecting that 6 figure paycheck regardless, they should get fined for dogging it.

by DodgersKings323 on Feb 19, 2011 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Or cut the playoffs to the Top 4 or 6 of each Conf.

by DodgersKings323 on Feb 19, 2011 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Belisario then put on a pair of Bad Idea Jeans

Sounds like freshman year!

Real talk, this is bad. How are you like “LOL lost my passport, no biggie, guys, I’ll get it taken care of” and if you are doing that, how do you think that your employer is like “For sure, do what you gotta do” after you’ve been consistently inconsistent?!

Day to day, kickin' all the way, I'm not cavin' in. Let another round begin...live to win. YEAH! LIVE! YEAH! WIN!

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:10 AM PST reply actions  

Oh holy crap, I should see if my roommate’s friend is going to be at ST; he’s a prospect for the Rockies.

Day to day, kickin' all the way, I'm not cavin' in. Let another round begin...live to win. YEAH! LIVE! YEAH! WIN!

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

First injury of the spring

Dana Eveland hurt himself during running drills, the third running drill of the day, per Dylan H

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 9:18 AM PST reply actions  

and then there were 29.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Dana Eveland anagrams to

“Dan, leave, Dan”

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

he sprained his double chin

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Feb 17, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

tweet from Heyman about Cabrera
#tigers will seek to get miguel cabrera a doctor and additional counseling. (a driver might be a good idea, too — not kidding)

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 9:37 AM PST reply actions  

Want to go on record here

I hate the academy awards and what the event does to traffic patterns in my neighborhood
I resent what film actors are paid and that no one compares what they make to teachers but somehow for sports figures that is ok
I have my doubts about people who camp out to get a good seat to watch people get out their limo and walk down the red carpet – it’s not like you get to see them “act” or anything, they just get out of the car and walk for gods sake…and yet people line up

I have more to rant about, but this will have to do for now

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 10:13 AM PST reply actions  

This weekend is going to be a traffic nightmare. NBA All Star game AND the Academy Awards?

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought every NBA game was an acting seminar?

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

All star game is not in my barrio

all news is local or some shit like that

or

if it ain’t on my lawn, I don’t care who is on it

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

i am just going to LB and torrance this weekend.

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I suppose I’m only going to be going to Torrence this weekend.

GScott, how much would you hate me if I told them where I was going this Saturday morning?

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

it’s supposed to rain so it’s probably not even gonna happen

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

My girlfriend got a photo with Colin Firth for lining up outside some after party, so some good can come of it.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm hoping this line of reasoning works for spring training

because I want a goofy pictures with Dodger players. Do you think if I ask them to take pictures with funny faces they’ll do it?

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m sure you’d have much more success at it than I would. The big guys might be hesitant but you could grab John Ely pretty easy.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

My buddy’s wife asked Chris Keamotu of the Steelers to take a picture with her after the Steelers lost the superbowl.

 He is known for not being a pleasant guy, but he sucked it up and did it.

She happens to be very attractive, and was wearing a Steeler jersey, which probably helped it all work out

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m still waiting for Part 2 of Guy Clinch’s Dodger story.

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Since I made him blush the first time I got his attention, and I was 30 feet away, I can’t wait to see what happens this time

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

So I shouldn't be inviting you to my Oscar tweet-up?

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Feb 17, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I've never understood the

actors/sports people to teacher compensation comments. I guess if there was only 500 teachers in the United States I could get it but since they are the most common union job available, the pay scale has to be a certain value or quit whining about your bloody taxes.

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

also

one is paid by the government and the other is paid by billion dollar multinational corporations. Fox has a bigger operating budget than California. That’s reality. Deal with it.

by Josie Becker on Feb 17, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Also

one teaches 20-30 kids a year and the other entertains millions.

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

if you shift the criticism to a criticism of what people in this country (maybe the world) value, then it makes more sense.

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m willing to shift that criticism. I’m a child of private schools, my parents invested in me at least as much as they did in their own entertainment. I don’t think that’s the norm for most middle class families.

by Josie Becker on Feb 17, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Jason Parks at Baseball Prospectus

Has a public service announcement up about Dee Gordon, specifically to be cautious about his type of tools. I thought this was interesting, from when Parks first saw a talented, raw prospect he thought was a skinny 17-18 year old Latin American:

For whatever reason, I just assumed he was a recent Latin American signee, getting his feet wet on the backfields. At this point, I was still unaware of who the player in question was; after all, I was watching a low minors complex game, and the players are often without identification on their jerseys. I finally walked over to the Dodgers coaching staff and asked who the fast-twitch athlete playing shortstop was. I was told Dee Gordon.

Also:

However, once you gaze at that 80-grade speed, or witness the range in person, it’s hard to tell yourself that it’s okay to want more from a prospect. I’m here to tell you that’s it’s okay to say that you want more refinement from a 23-year-old. It’s okay to say that you want your prospects to have the physical projection (read: strength) necessary to utilize their tools at the major-league level. It’s okay to want more.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 10:26 AM PST reply actions  

FWIW, BA rated Gordon’s speed at 70. Mike Trout, OTOH, was an 80.

by silverwidow on Feb 17, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

i know they offically had him at 70

but i read an article or two where BA also said he was an 80 with speed

by Brandon Lennox on Feb 17, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Gordon

can use his speed to deliver Pizza Hut while Trout will be using his in the all-star game

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Kyle Russell can push the nacho cheese pump.

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I love these comments from Phil

by Michael White on Feb 17, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

You

are totally in the minority. For the Masses I gave them a Dee Gordon profile they will love.

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

But is due

to be read on Saturday so nobody will read it.

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

If it is this Saturday I will definitely miss it.

by BFDC on Feb 17, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

the great thing about the internet

is that you can always go back and read it!

/ducks

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

maybe he meant it’s going out in the TBLA print edition : )

by Josie Becker on Feb 17, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

That would be awesoke!

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Eh, I will forget by Tuesday.

by BFDC on Feb 17, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Right

who comes in Monday and goes back to what was written over the weekend?

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Me. I’m your audience. Weep.

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I do!

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Me, but I have sort of a vested interest.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 17, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I do.

Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun.

by iiidown on Feb 17, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I just get the feeling

Bellasario is really really dumb. Not like, haha he can’t get here on time dumb, but like 8 year old dumb. Telling blatantly stupid lies that no one believes.

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Pedro Guerrero “so dumb, it works as a defense in court” dumb?

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

It seems more sneaky than dumb to me, like he is hiding something. If he did lose his passport then I would agree that is really dumb.

by OB12 on Feb 17, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s only sneaky if he gets away with it.

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

and he isn't getting away with shit

the Dodgers know he is lying, and know he isn’t being honest, which at this point is as likely to hurt him as the truth, unless the truth is a dead hooker.

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Band Name: Truth
Hit Album: Dead Hooker
Tell-all Book: Truth is a Dead Hooker

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Her bowling form is WAY off.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

When I think of bowling, I think of Cherry Icees and cheese nachos.

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Where the cheese comes from a dispenser.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Fake nacho cheese is the best. I once turned down nachos at a local dive when the guy told me they used shredded cheese.

I will toss you in slow-rec softball

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 17, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

mmmm

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Gable House actually has a Pizza Hut instead of a snack bar, so it’s got that going for it.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

thats a good thing?

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

in the same way that people who detest Wal-Mart will shop at Target

by Josie Becker on Feb 17, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

[tries to hide in vain]

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

so true

so very true

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I also have a Sam's Club membership

Hypocrisy, thy name is TomásC.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Costco FTMFW!

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

The Sam’s is literally five minutes from my house, and the nearest Costco I know of was in Northridge before they opened up their new location in Pacoima not too long ago.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

There’s one on Sepulveda and Victory. Been going to that one forever.

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

PS ARE WE KIND OF NEIGHBORS?!

DO YOU NEED A RIDE TO BOWLING?!

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

People….just go here: http://www.yelp.com/biz/el-burrito-jr-torrance

I will toss you in slow-rec softball

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 17, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m sure we’ll go there but if I’m in Van Nuys, and he’s in Pacoima, and he needs a ride, I can provide this so we can both go to EBJ

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

maddz – you’re not enough of an ass to eat there.

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Wait a second

I will toss you in slow-rec softball

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 17, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

dude, are you seriously knocking EBJ down a peg? That place is tits!

by Josie Becker on Feb 17, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I dunno, I guess I just have to rethink my entire taqueria hierarchy

by Josie Becker on Feb 17, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

delias man is going to take me to all the finest taqueiras and strip clubs in the South Bay

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Now that sounds like a great date.

by BFDC on Feb 17, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ll be sure to wear my finest sweatpants for the occasion. ;)

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ll be wearing the sweatpants. heh heh heh

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

taquerias are up in l.a. for me. but we can go to a club after bowling.

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

its boring. not bad, just not great.

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I live in Sylmar, actually

Work in Pacoima…I live pretty much right next to LA Mission College.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Do you need a ride? Aka’d as “You’re going to bowling, right?”

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

aka?

red?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

wat?

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

heh, sorry

red in Japanese is aka. I’m in a weird mood caused by illness.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

i thought it was akai. I only know this because we used to tease our friend in Japanese whenever he would get drunk as he’d turn bright red.

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

There’s nothing funny about that.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

ruh roh

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

just by itself, it's aka

but when used to describe something, you put the “i” in there.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd love to

Not sure if I can make it…g/f and I might have business appointments late.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Tomas

our TBLA drug connection

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

:(

bring the GF!!!!!

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Costco makes me sad. Like I get that it’s supposed to be a warehouse, but you get in there and it’s a warehouse. Like just paint something, light something already

by Josie Becker on Feb 17, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

The Tyson chicken tender samples don’t make you happy?!?!

by Julio Nievas on Feb 17, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

SERIOUSLY

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I read that as Beer might. In 16 oz tumblers.

by Grimjack on Feb 17, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

There is plenty of light in costco

from all the tvs

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

good thing too

i need to be able to see my choices in coffins.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

You can buy two for a much cheaper cost per unit!

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

the one in torrance is like a

filipino laker t shirt wearing convention.

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

and all the checkers wear plaid shirts, which makes me self conscious about wearing plaid

by Josie Becker on Feb 17, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Classist

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

i kid. I mean it the same way that I don’t wear red when I go into Target, or blue in blockbuster back in the day

by Josie Becker on Feb 17, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

…wat?

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Cause you look like an employee, and then folk ask you where stuff is

by Josie Becker on Feb 17, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

ahhhh

that happened to me once, I had a band performance, and afterwards someone at El Torrito tried to give me their order.

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

hah target is the worst

because when you work there you can wear ANY shirt, as long as its red. I’ve gotten asked for help a couple times when I was shopping.

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I know…I hate companies that pass savings on, treat their employees well, and promote from within

I will toss you in slow-rec softball

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 17, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

And cheap respectable food

except the carne asada bake, that thing is just nasty

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

It would be better

if they could insert the quac and salsa after they microwave the damn thing

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

worst thing..

i wasnt even hungry. just wanted to try it. wasted calories.

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

my half-bro

is like a regional manager back east. Makes good money.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep, any one I know that works there has loved it and has move up

I will toss you in slow-rec softball

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 17, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

he wants to transfer out here though

he hates it back east. Hates snow and cold.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

but other than that

he loves it and has recommended to all of us to get jobs at Costco.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Target is better then wal mart

I don’t see your point.

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

that Pizza Hut is better than yellow sludge from a machine on stale chips, even if it’s no Papa Johns

by Josie Becker on Feb 17, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Thats debatable

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Pizza hut has no flavor and sucks

Shitty nachos have a certain… charm. Plus, Pizza Hut is shit. Did I mention Pizza Hut is bad?

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with you. For whatever reason, those shitty nachos are good a couple times a year in the right setting. Pizza Hut is good zero times per year.

by BFDC on Feb 17, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I would take bowling alley nachos over bad American pizza any day of the week.

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I like Domino’s cinnamon sticks…and $5 Lil’ Caeser’s pizzas have their time and place, much like crappy bowling alley nachos.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I used to like to combine the blue and red Icee flavors. Now there are probably 800 flavors. I tell my students, "I"m so old I remember when there was one flavor of Doritos" [Is there even a non-flavored? If so, what’s the point?]

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Icee has only a few still

but slurpees, thats a whole different bitness

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s what I was thinking of. Was there a merger?

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t get what everybody’s hating on, I’ve had Chicago Deep Dish from a co-op joint, Brooklyn style from a hole in the wall, I still can appreciate take out from Domino’s on a Friday night

by Josie Becker on Feb 17, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I love pizza

Doesn’t really matter from where: I’ve had it from practically every major chain, and they’re all good in their own ways. Spread the love for food, not the hate for pizza!

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Honest to goodness

Dominoes before they changed their recipe last year, and pizza hut just have no taste to me. Maybe its from working at a pizzaria that actually has decent pizza for a long time and eating nothing but pizza from there. I don’t know, but I derive zero joy from Pizza Hut pizza and its not very hard to find something better.

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Drunk Madeleine loves stuffed crust pizza from Pizza Hut. I know this because I gained 30 lbs in two months

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Did you burn your tongue?

by DodgersKings323 on Feb 19, 2011 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I am with Josie on this…context and expectations.

I will toss you in slow-rec softball

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 17, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Papa John has terrible pizza

he can throw one hell of a deep out though. I envy his quick release and form.

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Better commercial throwing form than Brett Favre!

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

well, Brett was just having a little fun with his boys. yuk yuk yuk

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

All national pizza chains have bad pizza

but papa johns is better then most

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

obviously

the comment was more about his arm.

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

shush you

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Papa John Creech

was a hell of a fiddle player.

Soylent Green. Now with rrridges!

by jim hitchcock (railway) on Feb 17, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

His name was the words I always heard during a certain Madonna song about a unwed, possibly underage, mother.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 17, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

i like minnesota better than arkansas

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I like Arkansas better than Alabama

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

wrong again. birmingham nice and fun.

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

yes

but people from Alabama are insane

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

This just in

The popcorn at Target is so good, it’s worth killing over.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

it’s POPCORN! How exactly are we food snobbing over popcorn?

by Josie Becker on Feb 17, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Use the Pedro Guerrero defense!

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

My childhood

it cries out in joy at the thought of popcorn and icees from target. Maybe I should make that my lunch today.

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

my kid screams and points from the register for that. then we stand outside and pound it.

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

they still have nachos and such.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't forget

the overpriced machines in the back room’s “arcade.”

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

For sure. Tempest FTMFW!

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

“Anything that you get better at as you consume alcohol is not a sport…and that is bowling” – Jim Rome

by silverwidow on Feb 17, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Beer Pong is totally a sport.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

as is golf.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Tiger Woods disagrees that alcohol improves your golfing

by Josie Becker on Feb 17, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

there is a weekly beer pong tournament in my neighbors back yard. I am over it.

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

do you live on my street? I have the same neighbor???

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

they should start up a league. all road games.

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

hahaha

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ve over drinking games in general. They just result in fun.

by Josie Becker on Feb 17, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Ha

I had that with outside Texas Hold ’Em Sundays with my previous neighbors. Got real old real fast.

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I finally brought over a six-pack and told the guy, “Look, my bedroom window is right there . . .”

That’s my non-confrontational approach to that kind of stuff. I had a one-year old and was freaking out about sleep. Plus, it was annoying. It worked.

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

i will keep that in mind, but i stay up really late on the weekends anyways so it does not usually bother me that much.

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

OMG that would have been amazing

of course Josie is my partner.
/Vermont

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

/there were lilies
/and a harpist

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

/we wrote our own vows
/Maddz Daddz cheered

by Josie Becker on Feb 17, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

/and there was one hell of a dance party

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

/it was a safe to dance
/it was a safety dance!

by Josie Becker on Feb 17, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

OMG

THANK YOU FOR FINDING THIS!!!

One of my favorite moments in Scrubs, period. That and when he lip syncs to Poison.

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Netflix just put the whole series up for streaming

I know what I’m doing tonight

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely

All of his dances are hilarious.

J.D.: What, Turk and Bonnie? They hate each other.
Carla: Then why is he doing his “You’re so getting a piece of this” dance?
J.D.: He’s not! That’s his “In your face” dance…. Or it’s his “There’s a sale on lotion” dance. I dunno; he’s got so many dances.

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

i tossed last time i played in vegas in october. bud light is too nasty for me.

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

it’s not beer pong unless it’s natty or some sort of ice

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

we need to hang out more when i’m in town

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

my spring break is mar 3 to mar 15. Let’s make it happen

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

my cousin

played with Jagermeister once.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

bold

and terrible

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

indeed

he will never do it again. But his wife still loves Jager, he is more a Jack and Coke man.

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Last year, my girlfriend and I did JOOSE…

Don’t do it.

by Julio Nievas on Feb 17, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I had two roomates try to drink a handle of Bacardi by themselves. They figured if they played four games of shot pong they could do it.

The night ended with one of the guys fleeing the apartment and being found the next morning in the bed he slept in in his last place.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

YOU TOLD ME THIS STORY!!! Hahahahahahahahahaha so good

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL

One morning, me and my friend found his brother sleeping in the front yard. He told us his friend’s couldn’t take him in the house,so they just left him in the lawn to sleep.

by Julio Nievas on Feb 17, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

GScott even has a Dodgers beer pong table. Let’s make this happen.

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

you’re a traitorous wench!

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ll post a pic tomorrow or so

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

you're finally notching this?

also, i’m not sure if i should be amused or saddened that this is not the first time i’ve been called a “traitorous wench”

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

i try to be more constructive with my criticism

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

What kind of rapping name is Steve?

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

im still waiting for what you are doing saturday morning

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

as am i

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

my money is on “recovering”

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

really?

cos mine is on “pitching hungover”

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Delivering a scarf?

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

actually

i’ll be in your area, so probably

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I knew it!

But since this is apparently super secret I will keep it to myself

by Josie Becker on Feb 17, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

you should totally come

and distract me, so that I don’t heckle poor GScott

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

well I figured out the activity there are still several possible locations so you’ll have to clue me in somewhat ; )

by Josie Becker on Feb 17, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

you can come too. my parents won’t be able to make it.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

saturday morning she’s going to go watch me play in my hs alumni game where i will surely embarrass myself.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

right field, baby. right field.

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Are a bunch of lefties facing G.Scott? :)

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

fuck lefties.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

right field is a street

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Is that in the South Bay

I have to be in Torrance that morning.

by bhsportsguy on Feb 17, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Redondo Union

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m missing bowling night to go to a beer pong tournament, does that count?

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

that makes you

a jerk
a scarfless jerk

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

But what if my neck gets cold at the tournament?

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

then you’re kinda fucked, aren’t you?

Can your girl DD? just come to bowling drunk

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Now you want them to go to a Dungeons & Dragons tournament!?

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m activities oriented.

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

She’s my beer pong partner. The only thing saving me from certainly getting bounced in the first round is the guy created a “guys roped into playing with their girlfriends” side of the bracket.

It’s a birthday party, so I’m probably gonna be there a while.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Aww

Uncle Leo died.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 10:55 AM PST reply actions  

Maybe he wants a major league deal?

by silverwidow on Feb 17, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Miguel Cabrera without the .900 OPS?

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess I never heard of the alcohol problems.

by BFDC on Feb 17, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

It was in 2007

As far as I know, nothing has happened since.

Here is a 2008 NYT article on Aybar.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Wasn't that one of the reasons

the Dodgers shipped him to Atlanta?

"Flame yo, hot man!"
"...Flame...yo?"
"[shrugs]"

by TomasC on Feb 17, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Heyman is betting that Pujols will end up re-signing for 8 yrs/$256M.

WTF?

by silverwidow on Feb 17, 2011 11:16 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Excellent

and a 21st century, 2nd decade version to boot

The 20th century flowchart was quite different

I wonder what the 19 century flowchart would have looked like.

Thanks for this

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I am fairly sure the last time I did/saw a beer pong

was well before any of these young ones were either born or just beginning to eat solid food.

by bhsportsguy on Feb 17, 2011 11:46 AM PST reply actions  

that's good to hear

it’s cross-generational!

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

What

you think your generation invented everything. Hold on, my other can with string is ringing.

by bhsportsguy on Feb 17, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I have never seen it in person

I will toss you in slow-rec softball

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 17, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Back in my day we didn’t need a game to get drunk…just the hope of getting some

I will toss you in slow-rec softball

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 17, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

that hope is still there

but now dudes think they can impress chicks with their beer pong skills

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Who isn’t impressed by the frantic blowing of a ping pong ball out of a cup

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Beer pong, flip cup and dodgebeer have probably led to a lot of romances over the last decade.

by BFDC on Feb 17, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I must admit, I have never heard of Dodgebeer

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

what is dodgebeer?

while that’s certainly true, it’s not been because i’m like “dang, that guy can sure hang onto his motor skills while drunk?”

it’s because i’ve also been playing, and losing, and totally think everyone is attractive

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Dodgebeer

A little hard to explain, but basically you have two teams, two players on each team. You use a long table (or something similar) just like beer pong. Teammates stand on the same side of the table at each corner across from opponents. Each player starts with an UN-opened can of beer on the table in front of the corner they are standing at. Now lets say it is team A’s turn… Each player on team A has a ping pong ball in hand. The first player chucks the ping pong ball trying to hit one of the opponents cans. If you hit the can the ball will fly off in some direction. At that point if you hit their can, you can crack open the beer in front of you and start chugging until your opponent chases down the ping pong ball and touches it down back on the top of the table, yelling “stop”. This means you stop chugging and put your can down. Then your teammate goes and tries to nail a can. This can be done in rapid succession and you can hit the same opponents can at which the same person has to keep chasing the ball around.

Once both players on team A have taken their turns, then its team B’s turn and it keeps going like this. Once you have finished your beer, you are out of the game. The first team with both players having finished their beers wins.

by BFDC on Feb 17, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

oh

oh my god. i’ve played this game. i’ve never laughed so hard in my life. my brother gets so spastic when he’s chasing after a ping pong ball…

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I think everyone looks spastic when they’re chasing after a ping pong ball. I’ve seen some injuries haha.

by BFDC on Feb 17, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, he’s 6’4" and all limbs so he went floundering around the living room and I laughed so hard while trying to chug a beer that I just spat it all over my partner

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

i played that on new years eve

pro tip: do not play king’s cup with your siblings, because “never have i ever” becomes fraught with danger

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

never

again

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve played a lot of Kings but not for a while. Played it more in college. Man those cups get disgusting.

by BFDC on Feb 17, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

new years eve: champagne, four loko, red wine with dr. pepper (ahahaha), and newcastle.

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

So what your saying is don’t play Kings Cup.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

not unless you want to get The 20 Year Old really drunk

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I was once a victim of:

Tequila, red wine, bud light, nattys, and Red stripe, and…. JOOSE!

It really isn’t fun when you get the last king.

by Julio Nievas on Feb 17, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

wowwwwwww that’s terrible

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s funny when it happens to a guy twice.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

My problem with kings

is that people cheat. They never do the ace in the face or waterfall and they never chug the kings cup. I’ve even seen really weak stuff like the boyfriend electing to drink the kings cup for their girlfriend.

by Michael White on Feb 17, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah,

In the parties I attend, WE HAVE to chug that shit down. I got fucked up that night…

by Julio Nievas on Feb 17, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea you are totally right. Some girls want to play but not deal with the consequences.

Same with the finger cup game (I’m sure it has some other name but thats what we call it)

by BFDC on Feb 17, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

what the hell is the finger cup game

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

You take a big cup and each person playing pours a splash of whatever they are drinking into the cup.

Then each player puts a finger on the rim of the group. You go around in a circle and call a number 0 – # of people playing. Simultaneously while one person is calling out a number, everyone can either leave their finger on or pull their finger off the cup. If the person who called out the number guessed the right amount of fingers left on the cup, then that person is out.

Last person left has to drink what is in the cup. That gets nasty. Last time I played it was generally about a half a pint glass full of a mix of a couple different beers, jameson and loko.

by BFDC on Feb 17, 2011 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

You guys every play russian roulette?

The drinking game, not with guns.

One person doesn’t play and fills up 5 shot glasses. 2 are with water, one is with vodka and one is with everclear. You mix up the glasses and hand them out to the five people playing.

It may not seem like much, but drinking something expecting water or everclear and getting the opposite messes with your head.

by Michael White on Feb 17, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea I’ve played that before. It is brutal.

I prefer credit card roulette.

by BFDC on Feb 17, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

remind me to party with y’all

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Arizona.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

we used to play a similar game except instead of a finger everybody placed their

oh nevermind, I can’t even write it as a joke

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s the Pedro Guerrero cup game.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 17, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

what is this JOOSE

is it good?

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Its just like LOKO, but less flavors.

by BFDC on Feb 17, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s Four Loko with less booze.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn’t understand any of this

I will toss you in slow-rec softball

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 17, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

sugar + alchohol + caffiene =

4loko/joose/dead

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup, that’s the gold standard.

by Michael White on Feb 17, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Re-reading it, so do I

by Michael White on Feb 17, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Hahaha

I didn’t catch that at first.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

You are right

and I have not seen or done one of those in about the same amount of time. I have never seen beer pong.

Do you use anything better than PBR or Bud when playing that?

by bhsportsguy on Feb 17, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

You can use anything you want, but most people use bud light or coors light or whatever is readily available in pitchers if you are at a bar. Or whatever is cheapest if you’re at a college party.

by BFDC on Feb 17, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Jeff Mathis, a man after my own heart

Per Mike DiGiovanna of the LA Times:

Angels catcher Jeff Mathis on four yrs sharing position with Mike Napoli: “We had a good little run.”

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 11:56 AM PST reply actions  

Easy rec

Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!

by Humma Kavula on Feb 17, 2011 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Maddz

You on gmail?

I will toss you in slow-rec softball

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 17, 2011 12:18 PM PST reply actions  

I can be

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Fav
George “High Pockets” Kelly (1915-1932). Ol’ High Pockets is in the Baseball Hall of Fame and has actually been called the worst Hall of Famer ever. (At least until Jeter gets voted in.)

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Where is The Freshest Man on Earth? That nickname is swesoke.

Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!

by Humma Kavula on Feb 17, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m fond of Walter “Shitty Batter” Dugan.

But for real ballplayers, I’ve always been partial to Putsy Caballero.

by Nolij on Feb 17, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I do agree that we need more players nicknamed “Gentleman”. More “Handsome” guys would be good too.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

All time

Dodger nickname team?

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

We aleady have Pee Wee, Duke and Babe. What more could you want?

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

And Buffalohead and Fat Tub of Goo. The ’80’s had some legit nicknames (Oil Can, Human Rain Delay come to mind).

Hell, modern players have good nicknames too — Greek God of Walks, the Mexicutioner — in addition to all the *-Rods.

by Nolij on Feb 17, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Holy shit, who is the Mexicutioner. I love it.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Durantula

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Donny two times comes to mind.

by Grimjack on Feb 17, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Joakim Soria

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Joakim Soria

If only he pitched for a major league team then people would know it better.

by Nolij on Feb 17, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

The AAAA squad he pitches on gets enough press as it is.

by Grimjack on Feb 17, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Minotaur

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Eye Chart.

Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!

by Humma Kavula on Feb 17, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I never liked calling Mientkiewicz “Eyechart.” The name rightfully belongs to Doug Gwodsz.

by Nolij on Feb 17, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s why Minky’s was “Eye Chart”. ;-)

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 17, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Carl "The Reading Rifle" Furillo

as well

"Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."

by Tommy Blackjack on Feb 17, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

NY Times piece on Don Mattingly

had me ready to feel all warm and fuzzy, but instead made me kind of irritated
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/18/sports/baseball/18dodgers.html

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Feb 17, 2011 12:56 PM PST reply actions  

Like this weirdly made point
“The perception that the Dodgers are strapped was not exactly dispelled by their 11 free-agent acquisitions.”

So that they signed a bunch of free agents and didn’t have the quiet off season that people expected them to have doesn’t count because they didn’t instead overspend wildly on a Jayson Werth?

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Feb 17, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

tragically funny and pathetic all at the same time

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

To counteract that bad news

Here’s a link to the largest privately owned ancient forest in Britain. Scroll down and you can see the King of Limbs, a 1000 year old oak.

http://www.swindon-birds.co.uk/savernakeforest.html

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Just so you can put your Target popcorn on it? Crass consumer!

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Two birds were just killed with that stone. Thanks, kinbote!

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

just poison it, should speed up the process

the tree, i mean

:(

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Alternate response

Feel free to try to punch that tree :)

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

that tree is too old

for Eric to want to punch it.

Now, a baby tree…

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

with the soil so soft. Good call Maddz.

Good looking out.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I got your back, Eric. :)

Baby, I remember the way you used to look at me and say, "Promises never last forever."

by Maddz on Feb 17, 2011 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Congrats

That looks delicious.

by BFDC on Feb 17, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

dang

I will toss you in slow-rec softball

by robotmadeofnails on Feb 17, 2011 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

She taught you, or you taught her?

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

a gentleman never tells

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

From what I can tell

BH is the only Gentleman here.

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Sweet

Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!

by Humma Kavula on Feb 17, 2011 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Tree's having a touch week

End of the road for the Old Shoe Tree

Anyone here put some shoes in that tree?

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 1:47 PM PST reply actions  

I’ve got a cool oak tree in my front yard on a busy street I planted as a baby that is now looking studly. I’m thinking of hanging some panties on it just to see if people will follow suit. Could get interesting

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

If you hang it, they will come

Just from looking at panties? There is medication that can help with that.

Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!

by Humma Kavula on Feb 17, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Tsk Tsk

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I keep forgetting that the meercat is such a prude

Phil, on the other hand, would appreciate it.

Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!

by Humma Kavula on Feb 17, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

this led me down a path I was not prepared to walk.

“Hang em and bang em” got crossed in my mind with “If you build it, they will come”.

You gave me the primer, and my head finished it with “,they will bang it”.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you should do it.

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Hideki Matsui has one of those.

by Xeifrank on Feb 17, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Clever Fan Post

http://www.truebluela.com/2011/2/17/1999748/time-to-trade-kershaw

Keep the sabers holstered until you read and understand the post

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 1:56 PM PST reply actions  

fuck that

THIS IS BULLSHIT WE SHOULDN’T TRADE KERSHAW HE IS THE MOST VALUABLE PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF THE FRANCHISE THE ONLY WAY I AGREE TO TRADE HIM IS IF I GET A DINOSAUR.

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Is someone having Barney envy?

by Grimjack on Feb 17, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

x

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn’t he call it the Mendoza line?

by Michael White on Feb 17, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

the Vicki Mendoza diagonal

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agy6KOSwyA8

Some people think that they can outsmart me...maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

by nolander on Feb 17, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

First sign of spring

is that I got the first “daily notes” email from the Dodgers.

These pitchers threw bullpen sessions today:
Garland, Kershaw, Kuroda, Lilly
Hawksworth, Jansen, Padilla, Troncoso
Ely, Monasterios, De La Rosa (x2), MacDougal, Redding

Eveland, as previously mentioned, was hurt in running drills. He was going to pitch today but didn’t.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 2:06 PM PST reply actions  

The other 29 non-Belisario pitchers have reported to camp BTW

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

You wonder

what goes through the minds of those not on the 40 man when they see so many arms they will have to compete with to ever pitch for the Dodgers?
Like dang “I need a new fucking agent”

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

If you’re a prospect and you’re worth a damn, it should be something to the effect of, “Roman Colon? Lance Cormier? Dana Eveland? Jon Huber? Mike MacDougal? Ron Mahay? Tim Redding? Oscar Villarreal? Fuck those guys. I’m better than all of them, and I’m gonna prove it”.

At least, that’s what I’d hope they are saying. Not “well, the meal money is nice”.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

And then...

“Fuck. There’s still 20 dudes who are even better.”

by Nolij on Feb 17, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha, well yeah, there’s that. But injuries happen to the MLB guys. You just need to be pitcher #15 if you want to see time.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

They're probably thinking

“Good thing there is a GM who trades pitchers to the Pirates for nothing”

by BFDC on Feb 17, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Eveland, as previously mentioned, was hurt in running drills. He was going to pitch today but didn’t.

Also, Dana is a girl’s name.

Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!

by Humma Kavula on Feb 17, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

You gotta problem w/that?

by KellyStephen on Feb 17, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes. It’s not like he has a very masculine, handsome name, like Kelly.

Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!

by Humma Kavula on Feb 17, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Good answer, young man.

by KellyStephen on Feb 17, 2011 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Kelly’s Heroes

is that what you call your family?

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course…but there are moments when I have 4 Colonel Klinks running around.

by KellyStephen on Feb 17, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I met my first Dana in the 2nd grade. He was a guy. But I am 50 years old.

@davidyoungtbla - The commenter formerly known as El Lay Dave.

by David Young on Feb 17, 2011 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I play Kick ball with a dude named Dana, but I grew up with a skirt named Dana. Go figure.

by Grimjack on Feb 17, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

What league do you play in? WAKA? I’m playing in a big kickball tournament this weekend in South Florida.

by BFDC on Feb 17, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes WAKA Hollywood and Silverlake divisions. I am feenin for some kickball action, but parks and rec services have our fields down for the winter.

by Grimjack on Feb 17, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I met a few guys from that league in the Vegas tournament in the fall. Can’t remember their names though. Just remember the names of teams that were there.

by BFDC on Feb 17, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Balls and Dolls and Pitch Please and Sofa King Good were repping Hollywood in Vegas.

by Grimjack on Feb 17, 2011 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea I remember. Sofa King was a good team.

by BFDC on Feb 17, 2011 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

you’re telling me there are adult kickball leagues?

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

you took

“you gotta be shitting me” right out of my mouth

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea its really competitive in some cases. Its much bigger on the east coast, but growing on the west coast in certain areas. I’ll be playing in a handful of competitive tourneys around the country for fairly large cash prizes this year. First one is this weekend in Florida.

by BFDC on Feb 17, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Eager to see Hawksworth pitch. Also wonder if Monk has added any new wrinkles. Love the reports.

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Monk is still young

but I heard Mahay added some wrinkles

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Is Rubby this year’s “Chris Withrow” in the spring? As in, most anticipated start?

by Julio Nievas on Feb 17, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ll be watching FOR SUREEEE. Though, since it’s ST, if he throws anything over 95 I’ll be deeply impressed.

The way to keep yourself from making assumptions is to ask questions.

by G.Scott on Feb 17, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

So long as he’s not this year’s Chris Withrow in the summer, all will be right with the world.

Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!

by Humma Kavula on Feb 17, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

The Dodgers are channeling Red Auerbach

for his genius when inventing the concept of a “sixth man,” rather than just “you’re benched.” Regarding Padilla, per Gurnick:

“That will dictate how we’ll use him,” Mattingly said. “To me, Vicente can pitch with one pitch — that fastball. He can locate, do what he wants with it. The guy’s fearless. I could see if Broxt [Jonathan Broxton] saves three in a row and [Hong-Chih] Kuo’s been used, who do you throw in the ninth? He’s a guy you’d be confident to throw out there. He has a chance to be really versatile.”
“I’m confident in my ability,” Garland said. “Last year was one of my best years. It’ll be up to Donnie if he wants to change something around. But if somebody goes down, Padilla is a pretty good guy to slide into the rotation. The way he throws, he could be a closer. He throws 95 [mph], then he flips that 55 [mph] curve up there, it’s amazing. One time through a lineup, not many teams could get to him.”

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 2:45 PM PST reply actions  

The first time Padilla and confident have been in the same sentence without “he’ll lose”.

@andrewngrant

by regfairfield on Feb 17, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course both Padilla and Garland

have incentives or options that are predicated on IP, GS or GF.

by bhsportsguy on Feb 17, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

but Garland doesn’t have any for relief work; Padilla does.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

He lost me at Broxton saving 3 in a row

by Michael White on Feb 17, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

You really don’t see that happening?

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Broxton will collect three saves in three days at least twice in 2011.

by Eric Stephen on Feb 17, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

BOLD

Good news, Eric guarantees no less than 6 wins for Dodgers in 2011

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

and at least 2 3 game win streaks!

by delias man on Feb 17, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

We’d have to have two three game winning streaks for that to happen. I’m going to say no, Broxt in 2011 will not do this for the Dodgers.

Broxton will collect three saves in three days at least twice in 2011.

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t know if he will or not, so I’ll put it slightly differently:

IF we get to the point that we are arguing over Broxton’s overuse because he gets three saves in three days at least twice, THEN the Dodgers will be having a very, very good season.

Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!

by Humma Kavula on Feb 17, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Unless it happens in April

because Kuo didn’t get out of Spring Training again, and they kill Broxton in April and well hell, you know the rest of the story.

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

On consecutive nights? that is the leverage point in that equation for me

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

If Garland isn’t starting on April [fill in the blank], something has gone seriously wrong. He is not bullpen material.

“Spring Training” and “competition” gets on my nerves.

by silverwidow on Feb 17, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw this website and I said

The NBA has a poetry blog?! AWESOME!

http://nbapoetryblog.squarespace.com/

Then I was like, how do I get in on the MLB poetry blog?

But it wasn’t what I thought it was.

Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!

by Humma Kavula on Feb 17, 2011 2:47 PM PST reply actions  

Just replace Archibald MacLeish with Cal McLish for the MLB version.

by Nolij on Feb 17, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty funny comment

from Dave Cameron during a live chat on ussmariner today. Someone asked him how he got started on his blog:

Derek Zumsteg, Jason Barker, and myself used to trade emails about the team. We eventually decided “hey, we should publish these.” So we did. We later learned that was called blogging.

by kinbote on Feb 17, 2011 2:57 PM PST reply actions  

I believe

Dave stole that comment from Rob Neyer and Rany

"I don't see how an article of clothing can be indecent. A person, yes. "

by meercatjohn on Feb 17, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

impossible

there is no such thing as stealing on the internet

by Hollywood Joe on Feb 17, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

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